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Subject: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
just read this article from a website. Maybe only blasphemous rumours but... dave said all that in an interview :-[
i find kinda strange, because Dave came here last week to norway and sweden totally solo but sung at least 4 songs of depeche mode. IMO if he is going to quit and be totally solo, he shouldn't sing DM songs anymore either.
DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
June 14th, 2003
Dave Gahan says he will leave Depeche Mode if he isn't given a bigger song-writing role. The singer, who recently launched his first solo album Paper Monsters, said bandmate Martin Gore had to change. In an interview with Spiegel magazine, he said: "Whether there is a future for Depeche Mode very much depends on whether Martin is willing and open enough to change. "All I know is it won't be going on as it was, I want to be involved more in working on new songs." Gahan said it took a long time for him to realise he could be creative, too. "I didn't have enough confidence, and where should I have taken it from? After all, Martin Gore is the creative head of Depeche Mode. I was just the singer." In the interview, Gahan said he was willing to remain a part of the band but wouldn't be taking any more orders. "Martin sometimes even told me how to sing certain passages," he complained. "I often felt like an instrument being used by others."
from http://electrogarden.com/
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
Leave it to the one with the picture of Martin L. Gore as her avatar to answer this one....hehehe...;D
It doesn't surprise me that David Gahan wants more of a songwriting role in Depeche Mode, especially since he's co-written (the lyrics, along with Knox Chandler doing the music) his first solo effort, Paper Monsters. And why shouldn't he give it a shot? Why shouldn't he and Martin collaborate? The only problem would be having two egos collide; one saying that he wants a song one way and the other saying the same thing. This probably has already happened, but it might happen more so with both people writing songs. And Martin seems very stubborn. He likes things done his way, although I think he has compromised a bit. He might find it a relief to have David take over some of the songwriting responsibilities. I just don't want it to sound like David solo. Paper Monsters is more guitar-based than any Depeche Mode material. So, this would be turning them into a rock band, something they've rebelled against since the beginning.
As for David's tour: Yes, he's doing his own solo material, and of course he's doing some Depeche Mode songs as well! It's to be expected, isn't it? Martin's done the same thing with the performances he did, but then I think it would be more expected of him because he actually wrote those songs, as opposed to the songs on his solo albums which are all covers (and brilliant ones, I might add).
What will inevitably happen to Depeche Mode remains to be seen. Both David and Martin are supporting their respective solo albums, and Fletch has been busy launching his own record label, Toast Hawaii. So, we won't be hearing anything from Depeche Mode 'til at least the end of the year. I will tell you one thing though: I hope David has discussed the things he's said in these interviews (if they are indeed true) with Martin, because if he hasn't...if I were Martin...I'd kill him!! I would be the one to leave Depeche Mode and embark on a solo career! That would be totally unfair to be saying these things behind Martin's back. If personalities clash, and David does leave Depeche Mode and goes solo, there will be a lot of unhappy Mode fans. But it seems that David is pretty intent on changes to happen if they are to continue any further. I, personally, think they'd do fine on their own as well. Dave and Martin will have their solo careers and Fletch will have his record label. I, of course, will be a staunch Martin supporter as I think most people will be because he was the songwriter of Depeche Mode and he's stuck pretty close to their sound. Martin also has the better voice. :D What will become of David Gahan, Martin Gore, and Andrew Fletcher? Tune in next time...As The Mode Turns... :D
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
>Leave it to the one with the picture of Martin L. Gore as her >avatar to answer this one....hehehe...;D
hehe sure! and I agree with a lot of stuff you wrote, thanks for replying!
>It doesn't surprise me that David Gahan wants more of a >songwriting role in Depeche Mode, especially since he's co->written (the lyrics, along with Knox Chandler doing the >music) his first solo effort, Paper Monsters. And why >shouldn't he give it a shot? Why shouldn't he and Martin >collaborate?
I think it's good that he wants to try solo, but the way things seem to me, he is being kinda mean, because come on, he is absolutely essential to depeche mode and if he leave, depeche mode will be over. In despite of Martin Gore writing/composing all songs... Dave have got the voice (ok martin has a agreat voice too) but also have the charisma.
I dunno, it's a bit unfair after all these years to be so rebelious saying that he was just an instrument and saying that he was _just_ the singer. It's not like Dave is someone that could be replaced by a karaoke amateur singer! he built an image, fans love Depeche mode as it is. Just my opinion here...
>The only problem would be having two egos collide; one >saying that he wants a song one way and the other saying >the same thing. This probably has already happened, but it >might happen more so with both people writing songs. And >Martin seems very stubborn. He likes things done his way, >although I think he has compromised a bit. He might find it a
>relief to have David take over some of the songwriting >responsibilities.
yeah, but Dave wrote some cheesy lyrics in his solo album. But would be great if he made a deal and Martin was more open to new ideas. But frankly, when you write a song, the last thing you want is a nosey singer that can't even play an instrument wanting to change everything. Been there done that. Not saying that Dave has no talent for doing great music, but like you said, when 2 egos collide... it's a big mess!
but after so many years they should be able to handle these problems. If they didn't break up when Dave was addicted to drugs, why would they split due such silly arguments?
I feel that it's so unfair, just a bad excuse :-/
>I just don't want it to sound like David solo. Paper >Monsters is more guitar-based than any Depeche Mode >material. So, this would be turning them into a rock band, >something they've rebelled against since the beginning.
me neither... i saw his live performance sent on tv and he still great, sings beautifully, but his solo work just didn't do it for me. And i felt it wasn't right to play/sing DM hits, since he is backstabbing martin (who wrote the songs)... kinda like, i feel that some fans might go to his concert just because in the end he will sing Enjoy the Silence. Not because of his songs.
>As for David's tour: Yes, he's doing his own solo material, >and of course he's doing some Depeche Mode songs as well! >It's to be expected, isn't it? Martin's done the same thing >with the performances he did, but then I think it would be >more expected of him because he actually >wrote those songs, as opposed to the songs on his solo >albums which are all covers (and brilliant ones, I might add).
Martin wrote the songs.. so he has all the rights to play them solo! I know there is no copyright here against it, but if Dave want to build a solo career, he should foccuse on his stuff and not use DM as a publicity gimmick (sp?) to get old fans to buy his album. I'm so darn confused, i have very mixed feelings. I feel betrayed :(
It's like when Dave Sylvian left Japan, well the band splitted so he could make his artsy weird jazz solo albums and projects. These episodes freaks me out!
(can you see that i hate changes? LOL)
>What will inevitably happen to Depeche Mode remains to be >seen. Both David and Martin are supporting their respective >solo albums, and Fletch has been busy launching his own >record label, Toast Hawaii. So, we won't be hearing >anything from Depeche Mode 'til at least the end of the >year.
yeah, i understand that they need to do things of their own and move on to another level. But these interviews of Dave are plain childish in my book. He gave another interview in a danish magazine that made me so angry! Again kinda attacking Martin. Talking from behind. It was very unpolite. If i was Martin, i'd be pissed.
>I will tell you one thing though: I hope David has discussed >the things he's said in these interviews (if they are indeed >true) with Martin, because if he hasn't...if I were Martin...I'd >kill him!!
EXACTLY! but the interviews are true. I checked, they are not rumours like i thought in the first place :-[
I'm going to post in this thread the danish magazine interview, from around a month ago. His words, no distortion or anything.
>That would be totally unfair to be saying these things >behind Martin's back. If personalities clash, and David does >leave Depeche Mode and goes solo, there will be a lot of >unhappy Mode fans. But it seems that David is pretty intent >on changes to happen if they are to continue any further.
here! here! totally agree. I'm anxious to know what will come next.
>I, personally, think they'd do fine on their own as well. Dave >and Martin will have their solo careers and Fletch will have >his record label. I, of course, will be a staunch Martin >supporter as I think most people will be because he was the >songwriter of Depeche Mode and he's stuck pretty close to >their sound. Martin also has the better voice. :D
The only thing that makes me sad would be the thought of them splitting just due internal / different opinions. After 2 decades they should known each other well, bear the situation.. well maybe it's like a marriage, if then , it actually lasted quite long.
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
www.side-line.com
Gahan expresses doubts on future Depeche Mode
While both Martin Lee Gore and Dave Gahan are promoting their solo releases, the future of the band Depeche Mode has been questioned by Dave Gahan during an interview with the Danish tabloid Ekstra Bladet.
In the interview Gahan is quoted saying that his relation with
composer Martin Gore is rather difficult due to Gore limiting Gahan's musical input: "My frustration has been growing over a long period of years. I have always felt that I've deceived myself - that I ought to have more influence. The reason why I haven't is both that I haven't been aggressive enough towards Martin, but also because I know that he simply isn't susceptible to advices and ideas of any kind."
Gahan furthermore says that the band will get together later on this year to talk things through: "We will probably have a talk sometime next year, but there are no guarantees that we will make another record." In the chat Gahan also insists that Gore's lack of openness was the main reason that the creative sound arcitect of the group, Alan Wilder, left the band. Gahan: "Martin wouldn't acknowledge that Alan contributed incredibly much to Martin's songs. And now I think you can easily say Alan's input is missed. I actually think that even Martin would admit that today. And that is something he probably ought to call and tell Alan after all these years. He would definately appreciate it."
The interview turns rather hilarious when Gahan talks about how producer Mark Bell was faced with the "Exciter" material and Gore's apathy towards production: "Our producer on 'Exciter', Mark Bell, said that he really wouldn't make the entire album for us. So then i had to tell him some news: "Yes you f'u'c'king are!". And then he just pulled up his sleeves and went to work with the computer and Martin would look him over the shoulder and mumble "o.k.""
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
Quoting:
I think it's good that he wants to try solo, but the way things seem to me, he is being kinda mean, because come on, he is absolutely essential to depeche mode and if he leave, depeche mode will be over. In despite of Martin Gore writing/composing all songs... Dave have got the voice (ok martin has a agreat voice too) but also have the charisma.
I dunno, it's a bit unfair after all these years to be so rebelious saying that he was just an instrument and saying that he was _just_ the singer. It's not like Dave is someone that could be replaced by a karaoke amateur singer! he built an image, fans love Depeche mode as it is. Just my opinion here...End Quote
OK first of all (and don't smack me for this), David Gahan is NOT essential to Depeche Mode. Yes he's got more charisma than Martin Gore which would make him a better frontman, but Martin is starting to loosen up on stage so he could do well with a bit more confidence and alcohol-induced courage. :D (Well, it would be nice if he could do it without the alcohol as well, but whatever works...) :) Dave IS just the singer. Martin writes the songs for him to sing. Dave does not play anything (particularly well). Yes, I agree that, in light of the fact that Dave has just released a solo album of his own material, he should be given a chance to write some songs for Depeche Mode. Whether they see the light of day is up to the group. He can try, but if he's crap at it, then he'll just have to hone his talents and try again, kind of like what Alan Wilder did. Only he gave up. If Dave throws a wobbler and quits, he won't be replaced. The band will either go on to other projects, or Martin will take over...as well he should.
Quoting:yeah, but Dave wrote some cheesy lyrics in his solo album. But would be great if he made a deal and Martin was more open to new ideas. But frankly, when you write a song, the last thing you want is a nosey singer that can't even play an instrument wanting to change everything. Been there done that. Not saying that Dave has no talent for doing great music, but like you said, when 2 egos collide... it's a big mess!
but after so many years they should be able to handle these problems. If they didn't break up when Dave was addicted to drugs, why would they split due such silly arguments?
I feel that it's so unfair, just a bad excuse :-/End Quote
This was Dave's first attempt at songwriting, so we have to give him some credit. Martin's songs were rather cheesy in the beginning when he took over from Vince Clarke. (But then he was probably trying to BE Vince in the beginning, who wasn't that great of a songwriter himself.) But, as I said earlier, whether Dave's songs see the light of day will be up to the group. Or they could end up as B-Sides. I'm sure David and Martin have had their disagreements about how a song should sound, but they've always pulled through. But this time, it's about lyrics, which is the heart and soul of a song. It's the lyrics that touch people's hearts and give a song meaning. I'm sure Martin's songwriting is very close to him, and whether he wants to relinquish some of that responsibility will be a tough decision for him. It may cause some friction between Dave and Martin, but if Martin could let Alan Wilder write some songs, then surely he can do the same for Dave.
(end of part one)
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
(part two)
Quoting:me neither... i saw his live performance sent on tv and he still great, sings beautifully, but his solo work just didn't do it for me. And i felt it wasn't right to play/sing DM hits, since he is backstabbing martin (who wrote the songs)... kinda like, i feel that some fans might go to his concert just because in the end he will sing Enjoy the Silence. Not because of his songs.End Quote
I think Dave's voice is still shot, but that's just me. :) During his solo tour David will sing Depeche Mode songs because people will expect him to sing Depeche Mode songs because he is a member of Depeche Mode! It's inevitable! I think people would be very disappointed if he didn't, no matter who wrote the songs. They're still Depeche Mode songs. I'm sure people will and do care about his budding solo career, and I'm sure his album was anticipated by Mode fans and critics alike, just as both Martin's records were anticipated. Except people were curious to see how good a songwriter he would be and criticise him accordingly. Now it seems there might be competition between Martin and Dave as to who has the most successful solo career. We shall wait and see...
Quoting:Martin wrote the songs.. so he has all the rights to play them solo! I know there is no copyright here against it, but if Dave want to build a solo career, he should foccuse on his stuff and not use DM as a publicity gimmick (sp?) to get old fans to buy his album. I'm so darn confused, i have very mixed feelings. I feel betrayed :(End Quote
David is not using Depeche Mode as a publicity gimmick to get Mode fans to buy his album. They'll buy it anyway, because he's a member of Depeche Mode who did a solo project. And even if he did eventually leave Depeche Mode, he would still sing Depeche Mode songs on his tours because Depeche Mode was a big part of his life!! Let's face it: Dave has spent 23 years with them, and for him to completely discredit a big chunk of his life like that would be very selfish of him. The Smiths haven't been around in 16 years, but Morrissey will still play Smiths songs during his concerts. OK, he didn't for a while, but then he decided to start doing it (and if someone could tell me the reason, that would be helpful :)).
Quoting:yeah, i understand that they need to do things of their own and move on to another level. But these interviews of Dave are plain childish in my book. He gave another interview in a danish magazine that made me so angry! Again kinda attacking Martin. Talking from behind. It was very unpolite. If i was Martin, i'd be pissed.End Quote
I would take these so-called "interviews" with a grain of salt. I mean, do you really think that Dave would do something so cruel as to attack Martin behind his back? I don't think so. DON'T BELIEVE THE PRESS!! Believe stuff like official websites, and press releases authorised by the artist directly. I'm not believing any of it, and neither should you or any other Mode fan.
Quoting:EXACTLY! but the interviews are true. I checked, they are not rumours like i thought in the first place :-content of the interviews are true, then think again. THEY'RE COMPLETE RUBBISH!!! It's just a way for the foreign press to drum up controversy!! Unfortunately, no official source has commented on these articles but they should be brought to their attention. I think they completely defame Dave's character as I highly doubt that he would treat Martin or anyone like that. If he's pissed about not having a big enough role in the band, he should be discussing this with Martin directly, not whinging to some magazine. I would hope that he's got enough sense and maturity to do that.
Quoting:The only thing that makes me sad would be the thought of them splitting just due internal / different opinions. After 2 decades they should known each other well, bear the situation.. well maybe it's like a marriage, if then , it actually lasted quite long.
End Quote
It'll never happen. Trust me...
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
you probably know better than me.
i've been reading newsgroups/yahoo groups and a lot of people think the same way I do.
It is not that i believe blindly in everything i read from the press, i'm not that naive, but at the same time they wouldn't twist everything dave said, not in a danish magazine, it's not THE SUN and such.
I guess i rest my case, if they split or not, i like their old stuff anyway after ultra it lost its charm to me. And i don't think dave gahan will ever be as successful as Morrissey, one that has all rights to sing the Smiths songs, since he is an awesome lyrics writer, Dave on the other hand didn't do that good in his solo.
take care
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
I've been a devoted fan since 1984 and I would be heartbroken if Dave left the band. I am still waiting for Alan Wilder to return. :'(
Subject: Re: DAVE GAHAN TO QUIT DEPECHE?
Quoting:
I've been a devoted fan since 1984 and I would be heartbroken if Dave left the band. I am still waiting for Alan Wilder to return. :'(
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I don't think there's much chance of that happening, although he's said he's never been asked. I think he's pretty busy with his family and Recoil at the moment. Have you ever been to the Recoil website? Go there. www.recoil.co.uk. There's a really cool Q&A section where he answers questions directly. Alan runs the site himself along with a little help from friends, but he does answer his own questions. Really interesting stuff if you like Alan. :D
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