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Subject: Punks vs Hippies
Let's take a look at ourselves and maybe see how our present day culture evolved. Believe there was a battle between sub-cultures, the hippies and the punks, perhaps in the 70s, that ushered in the 80s and still shapes our lives to this day.
The following suggestions may help generate some thoughts on the subject:
1. What were/are the hippies?
2. What were/are punk rockers?
3. Why did they clash?
4. What was disco and how did it play into the battle?
5. Why did these well defined sub-cultures seem to fizzle in the 80s?
Please give any ideas, discussion, information, etc. Should be fun and informative!
Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
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1. What were/are the hippies?
2. What were/are punk rockers?
3. Why did they clash?
4. What was disco and how did it play into the battle?
5. Why did these well defined sub-cultures seem to fizzle in the 80s?
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1- The Hippie movement died out in the very early 70’s. Anything after that was an excuse to smoke dope. (OK that was a really bad generalization – sorry!) The original Hippy movement was a form of rebellion against the government and popular culture. Since then it’s pretty much a fashion/drug/music/lifestyle choice and has nothing to do with rebellion (unless you want to consider the Parent Factor)
2- Punk Rock died out in the very late 70’s. Anything after that was an excuse to piss off your parents. (Another bad generalization) The original Punk movement was also a form of rebellion against the government and popular culture. Since then it’s pretty much a fashion/music/lifestyle choice and has nothing to do with rebellion (unless you want to again consider the Parent Factor)
3- The reason they clashed was due to pure aesthetics – neither liked the others music/clothes or lifestyle. (Even though in their own way they were doing the exact same thing)
4- What was disco? – Hmm, good question. Answering it would further validate it and I don’t want to go there. I long for the days when we would herald those walking down the streets proudly wearing their DISCO SUCKS t-shirts. (I’m going to get myself into trouble with these mean comments – sorry!)
5- Well-defined cultures fizzled out in the 80’s due to the basic limitations of Rock and Roll as a music genre. Rock and Roll in it’s continuously surprising efforts to continue to exist, needed to incorporate other musical forms so it would not become obsolete. In the efforts to ‘find something new’ in Rock and Roll, musicians heavily borrowed from different genres creating a musical melting pot. It’s pretty difficult to keep styles in separate buckets when each have some (or more) elements of the others.
Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
1. What were/are the hippies? The hippies were the "make love not war" generation. They promoted peace, unity & used to drugs & music to expand their minds because reality wasn't what they wanted to deal with.
2. What were/are punk rockers? The punks were the angry youths that lived on the edge of society. They didn't want to conform to the standards & they used music as an outlet for rebellion.
3. Why did they clash? I think the reason they clashed was because even though they weren't what people wanted to consider "normal", they had two very different agendas. You have the hippies on one side with their peaceful loving way of thinking, then you have the punks with their angst & sometimes violent behavior. Not too mention how different the music was that they listened to. It was almost like one extreme to the other.
4. What was disco and how did it play into the battle? Disco was the "party" way of life. It was more less a fashion outlet that introduced nightlife filled with dancing, neon lights & glitter and of course ALOT of hard drugs. I think alot of people got into the disco scene purely for the "fun" factor in it. It gave them something to do on the weekends after working all week for their 9 to 5 jobs. It was a reason to party hard & mingle.
5. Why did these well defined sub-cultures seem to fizzle in the 80s? As for why they "fizzled", everything must come to an end eventually. Nothing lasts forever & people get tired of the same old thing. In the 80's people were looking for variety. They wanted something fresh & new. I think thats why music was so great in the 80's, because everyone was trying new things. I mean, when you think about it---look at all the fads that came and went, the trends, the people, everything! It was a decade of diversity IMO. And everyone was trying to find their "spot" in it.
Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
Thanks, this is some really great info, hope I didn't create too serious a topic, but I enjoy reading about it.
I favor the punk movement, like the styles (military chic), music, and came from the other side of the tracks.
In a general sense, there was/is kind of an underlying metaphor between the haves and have nots, i.e., the hippies grew their hair long, wore robe like garments and were economically better off. They went to college, smoked dope, protested the war, and their parents footed the bill.
The punks were basically the lower income, industrial class, looked tough, were tough, shaved heads, didn't go to college, and went to war and did the fighting.
The hippies looked down on the punks and got in their way at concerts, like at the Clash concert. The punks really detested the disco boobs and enjoyed smashing their boom boxes!
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hope I didn't create too serious a topicEnd Quote
Not at all! It's all in fun & its great to see others share their point of views. :)
Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
All I know is this.............
Hippies have the best drugs & Punk girls are great in the sack.
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Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
Listen to the hippie classic "Get Together" by the Youngbloods.
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another right now
Listen to the punk classic "Anarchy in the UK" by the Sex Pistols.
I am an Antichrist
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want but I know where to get it
I wanna destroy passersby
THAT is the difference between punks and hippies.
Subject: Re: Punks vs Hippies
Punks were angry White youths, mainly from Europe during the mid 70s to mid 80s.
Hippies were sometimes angry (when it came to issues like the Vietnam War), but they were mostly peace seeking White youths that became entranced by Eastern mysticism. They were prevelant primarily in America from the mid 60s to early 70s.
Ofcourse when all of them turned 25 years old they realized they were getting older (because that's when you realize you're now closer to 30 then 19),...... and they slowly became as uptight and anal as every other generation before them.