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Subject: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
Hi All!
Ist time poster here.
I'm always on the look out for obscure 80's Goth bands or songs.
Thinking along the lines of ...
Specimen - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Virgin Prunes - Theme for Thought
Love Club - Corpes in the Sand
The Damned - Sanctum Sanctorum
And Also the Trees - The Pear Tree
Anyone have any suggestions - any and all are more than welcome!!!
Thanks - Zed
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
This is the soundtrack from the movie, Blade Runner, hope it helps!
Ladd Company Logo (0:24), John Williams
Main Titles and Prologue (4:03)
Los Angeles, November 2019 (1:46)
Deckard Meets Rachael (1:29)
Bicycle Riders (2:05) Gail Laughton
Memories of Green (5:39)
Blade Runner Blues (10:19)
Deckard's Dream (1:12)
On the Trail of Nexus 6 (5:30)
If I Didn't Care (3:03), Jack Lawrence
Love Theme (4:57)
The Prodigal Son Brings Death (3:35)
Dangerous Days (1:02)
Wounded Animals (10:58)
Tears in Rain (2:41)
End Titles (7:24)
One More Kiss Dear (4:00) Skelling and Vangelis
Trailer and Alternate Main Titles (1:39) Robert Randles
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
That's a really good album by Vangelis - already got it - Thanks!
Blade Runner is probably my all time favorite movie - You've got great taste!
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Thanks, this came early 90s, you probably have it, but The Crow was a beautiful movie and soundtrack.
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That's a really good album by Vangelis - already got it - Thanks!
Blade Runner is probably my all time favorite movie - You've got great taste!
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Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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Hi All!
Ist time poster here.
I'm always on the look out for obscure 80's Goth bands or songs.
Thinking along the lines of ...
Specimen - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Virgin Prunes - Theme for Thought
Love Club - Corpes in the Sand
The Damned - Sanctum Sanctorum
And Also the Trees - The Pear Tree
Anyone have any suggestions - any and all are more than welcome!!!
Thanks - Zed
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I think I can help you. I think. I am more into the depressynth sounds of the genre. How about...
"Louise" by Clan Of Xymox
"St John" by Tuxedomoon
"Golden Wedding Of Sorrow" by Death In June (anything by those silly Nazis is highly recommended. I love that band!)
"The Drowning" by Christian Death (w/ Rozz Williams!). The whole Catastrophe Ballet album is a must. Classic sound.
"Flowers" by Rozz Williams
"Pity For The Self" by Poesie Noire
"She's In Parties" by Bauhaus
"Killing An Arab" by The Cure
"Lacrima Christi" by Christian Death (w/ Valor). The only song by him I can listen to. He's a decent musician, but a lame vocalist and lyricist.
"Further" and "Epicentre" by VNV Nation
"Read The Lines" by Wolfsheim
"Geheimnis" by X-Mal Deutschland. Good band.
You can't go wrong with some Joy Division either. Not really Goth music per se, but likeable all the same.
Glad to see you listen to The Damned! Truly awesome Punk-Goth-New Wave watchamathingy. I love those guys!!!!
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How about Classix Nouveaux?? "Guilty" is a great song, but pretty much anything of theirs will do.
And I agree with the Bauhaus, Cure and Joy Division suggestions. I might even add The Smiths in there too, but maybe I'm just being biased. :)
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
I guess I will suggest "Love & Rockets" & "The Birthday Party/Nick Cave", but I don't even know if these qualify as being Goth :P
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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How about Classix Nouveaux?? "Guilty" is a great song, but pretty much anything of theirs will do.
And I agree with the Bauhaus, Cure and Joy Division suggestions. I might even add The Smiths in there too, but maybe I'm just being biased. :)
Absolutely Vile
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No. Not The Smiths. I love The Smiths a lot, but they are not Gothic (Moz would probably have a cow if he was categorised in the same genre as Robert Smith! Hahahaha).
But Depeche Mode is not so far from those other Goth bands. They sound a bit like them and carry on as if they were one!
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No. Not The Smiths. I love The Smiths a lot, but they are not Gothic (Moz would probably have a cow if he was categorised in the same genre as Robert Smith! Hahahaha).End Quote
Good point. I just thought of The Smiths as being a good example of "Goth" i.e. melancholy, deep, dare I say depressing? (Although I know not all their songs are depressing.)
Quoting:But Depeche Mode is not so far from those other Goth bands. They sound a bit like them and carry on as if they were one!End Quote
Oh? Then I guess I must ask, what exactly is "Goth?" I always took it as sad, melancholic, depressing sort of music. Although, I suppose you could consider later Depeche Mode (from SOFAD onwards) "Goth," but certainly not their 80's stuff. Or would you say that Black Celebration is a "Goth" album (excluding "But Not Tonight")? It's interesting that you would consider Depeche Mode a "Goth" band. I never would have thought that in a million years...
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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Good point. I just thought of The Smiths as being a good example of "Goth" i.e. melancholy, deep, dare I say depressing? (Although I know not all their songs are depressing.)
Oh? Then I guess I must ask, what exactly is "Goth?" I always took it as sad, melancholic, depressing sort of music. Although, I suppose you could consider later Depeche Mode (from SOFAD onwards) "Goth," but certainly not their 80's stuff. Or would you say that Black Celebration is a "Goth" album (excluding "But Not Tonight")? It's interesting that you would consider Depeche Mode a "Goth" band. I never would have thought that in a million years...
Absolutely Vile
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Well, that is kind of hard to explain without mangling the term myself, but Gothic music of the late 70s and 80s was an off-shoot of Punk Rock and New Wave. I often thought of it as New Wave's black sheep brother. Yes, a lot of the songs have depressing themes, but there's also some cool songs that are not. Just listen to some Bauhaus and it sounds quite upbeat and rockin' (songs like "Dancing," "In The Flat Field," "Dark Entries"). Gothic subgenre of music was about sound, lyrics, and maybe fashion.
Try listening to Clan Of Xymox and you'll hear the close resemblance to Depeche Mode and The Cure! Synth-driven, catchy beats, moody vocals, and... the fashion! Rozz Williams/Christian Death is also another band which could serve as an example of what kind of sound the genre has. They are guitar-driven in a Punk Rock fashion... with moody vocals and angry words.
Addendum: Yes, Depeche Mode's Black Celebration is pretty much in tune with Goth music, so is Some Great Reward, A Broken Frame, and Construction Time Again for that matter... But, please please please, don't lump crap like Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, Cradle Of Filth, Type O Negative, Insane Clown Posse, and those ridiculous white-contact, white-face wearing garbage. Those kids have not taken their ritalin in a loooong time and they also, unfortunately, think they listen to good music. They make me ashamed to admit I listen to good Goth music!
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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Well, that is kind of hard to explain without mangling the term myself, but Gothic music of the late 70s and 80s was an off-shoot of Punk Rock and New Wave. I often thought of it as New Wave's black sheep brother. Yes, a lot of the songs have depressing themes, but there's also some cool songs that are not. Just listen to some Bauhaus and it sounds quite upbeat and rockin' (songs like "Dancing," "In The Flat Field," "Dark Entries"). Gothic subgenre of music was about sound, lyrics, and maybe fashion.
Try listening to Clan Of Xymox and you'll hear the close resemblance to Depeche Mode and The Cure! Synth-driven, catchy beats, moody vocals, and... the fashion! Rozz Williams/Christian Death is also another band which could serve as an example of what kind of sound the genre has. They are guitar-driven in a Punk Rock fashion... with moody vocals and angry words.End Quote
And you still wouldn't add The Smiths in there...even despite the whole Morrissey/Robert Smith thing? They're guitar driven with moody vocals and angry words (listen to The Headmaster Ritual!!) Or have I completely lost the plot? :)
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OK... Maybe I never really got a clear picture of what Goth really is because of the bad publicity it got with bands like Marilyn Manson being stupidly lumped into it (see below), and the fact that I never really heard the term 'til the mid-late 90's. When I was in university in the early 90's people who wore black and listened to The Cure and The Smiths were called "mods" for whatever reason.
Quoting:But, please please please, don't lump crap like Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, Cradle Of Filth, Type O Negative, Insane Clown Posse, and those ridiculous white-contact, white-face wearing garbage. Those kids have not taken their ritalin in a loooong time and they also, unfortunately, think they listen to good music. They make me ashamed to admit I listen to good Goth music!
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Oh, good heavens, NO!! I know how you feel, and it makes me want to sit these kids down and force-feed them what Goth music really is (or what I always thought it was)! I don't mind the black lipstick, dark eye makeup, or black nailpolish, but looking like a complete zombie is unnecessary. Fetish wear is fine too, but that's just me. :D
Absolutely Vile
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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Fetish wear is fine too
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Oh heck yeah! You can have alot of fun with "fetish wear", if it's done tastefully, of course. ;)
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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And you still wouldn't add The Smiths in there...even despite the whole Morrissey/Robert Smith thing? They're guitar driven with moody vocals and angry words (listen to The Headmaster Ritual!!) Or have I completely lost the plot? :)
OK... Maybe I never really got a clear picture of what Goth really is because of the bad publicity it got with bands like Marilyn Manson being stupidly lumped into it (see below), and the fact that I never really heard the term 'til the mid-late 90's. When I was in university in the early 90's people who wore black and listened to The Cure and The Smiths were called "mods" for whatever reason.
Oh, good heavens, NO!! I know how you feel, and it makes me want to sit these kids down and force-feed them what Goth music really is (or what I always thought it was)! I don't mind the black lipstick, dark eye makeup, or black nailpolish, but looking like a complete zombie is unnecessary. Fetish wear is fine too, but that's just me. :D
Absolutely Vile
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Yeah, I wouldn't add The Smiths because they were heavily influenced by 60s BritPop (something which Johnny Marr really despised by the end and is rumoured to be one of the reasons why they split up). The Cure were infuenced by the Post Punk/New Wave scene. They were influenced by Punk. So was Bauhaus, Christian Death, Death In June, Clan Of Xymox, et al. Depeche Mode managed to sound like them, but Martin L. Gore and Co. never claimed to be a Goth band. Martin considered the band's music as Pop music. They and The Sisters Of Mercy are heavily liked by people who like Goth music tho' :P (Sisters Of Mercy is a Rock band as far as the guys who play in that band are concerned). The Smiths and Depeche Mode share a lot of qualities with the sub-genre, but I think the artists would not be flattered to be considered something they never claimed to be (hehehe... I still think DeMode sounds a teency bit like a Goth band and have always had the bona drag to mislead kiddies into thinking they could be one!).
Yup, fetish fashion is good. I love it myself. I hate those Goth kids who do it bad and give the rest a bad name. The idea behind such a drag is to look appealing. That's the idea behind most fashions and trends (even Punk!). The zombi look should be left to John Carpenter and Dario Argento and their horror movies :) :D ;D
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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I think I can help you. I think. I am more into the depressynth sounds of the genre. How about...
"Louise" by Clan Of Xymox
"St John" by Tuxedomoon
"Golden Wedding Of Sorrow" by Death In June (anything by those silly Nazis is highly recommended. I love that band!)
"The Drowning" by Christian Death (w/ Rozz Williams!). The whole Catastrophe Ballet album is a must. Classic sound.
"Flowers" by Rozz Williams
"Pity For The Self" by Poesie Noire
"She's In Parties" by Bauhaus
"Killing An Arab" by The Cure
"Lacrima Christi" by Christian Death (w/ Valor). The only song by him I can listen to. He's a decent musician, but a lame vocalist and lyricist.
"Further" and "Epicentre" by VNV Nation
"Read The Lines" by Wolfsheim
"Geheimnis" by X-Mal Deutschland. Good band.
You can't go wrong with some Joy Division either. Not really Goth music per se, but likeable all the same.
Glad to see you listen to The Damned! Truly awesome Punk-Goth-New Wave watchamathingy. I love those guys!!!!
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Wow - some great suggestions!
I've got a good number of these already. The exceptions are the newer bands VNV Nation and Wolfsheim.
I agree with you on Joy Division - got ALL their stuff!
The only Christian Death albums I like are: Only Theatre of Pain, Catastrophy Ballet, Ashes, Atrocities and Wind Kissed Pictures. The rest I'm eiher unfamiliar with or they suck!
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The great debate continues over what is and what's not Goth. I'm glad to see everyone posting is very cool about it. Too many arguements on other sites!
Smiths, Cure and Depeche all have songs that are Goth or are on rotation at Goth clubs but clearly aren't Goth bands. Who ever said that Goths can only listen to "Goth" music right?
Sister of Mercy like so many other bands from the late 70's early 80's made music that others categorized as Goth though they didn't themselves. Then again the Reptile House EP is probably one of the most undeniably Gothic Rock recordings ever made by far.
Clan of Xymox has an interesting history. I really like their earliest wotk but too much ot their newer releases are relying too heavily on the Sister sound though.
And to touch on Manson - when will the media stop calling him Goth??? I just wrote to Rueters the other day when they once more called him a Goth artist. Journalists are so lazy! No one in the music industry calls him Goth just the media!
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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The great debate continues over what is and what's not Goth. I'm glad to see everyone posting is very cool about it. Too many arguements on other sites!
Smiths, Cure and Depeche all have songs that are Goth or are on rotation at Goth clubs but clearly aren't Goth bands. Who ever said that Goths can only listen to "Goth" music right?
Sister of Mercy like so many other bands from the late 70's early 80's made music that others categorized as Goth though they didn't themselves. Then again the Reptile House EP is probably one of the most undeniably Gothic Rock recordings ever made by far.
Clan of Xymox has an interesting history. I really like their earliest wotk but too much ot their newer releases are relying too heavily on the Sister sound though.
And to touch on Manson - when will the media stop calling him Goth??? I just wrote to Rueters the other day when they once more called him a Goth artist. Journalists are so lazy! No one in the music industry calls him Goth just the media!
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What would you qualify him as Zed?
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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What would you qualify him as Zed?
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Circus Geek.
Quoting:Zed_Omega Posted on: May 27th, 2003, 6:44am
Wow - some great suggestions!
I've got a good number of these already. The exceptions are the newer bands VNV Nation and Wolfsheim.
I agree with you on Joy Division - got ALL their stuff!
The only Christian Death albums I like are: Only Theatre of Pain, Catastrophy Ballet, Ashes, Atrocities and Wind Kissed Pictures. The rest I'm eiher unfamiliar with or they suck!End Quote
Wow! You must be, like, the only person on this board who has mentioned a Christian Death album other than Only Theatre Of Pain! It's very good. I love it myself. I have some of the crappier albums too... mainly those released by Valor under the name "Christian Death." I only liked his Windkissed Pictures and Past, Present, and Forever albums. Rozz was evil and arrogant from the accounts that I've read of him, but I guess we could not have had him any other way! He wasn't a very nice person, but, man, he was talented! Definitely loved Catastrophe Ballet and In Every Dream Home A Heartache. Two albums which introduced me to the Goth subgenre.
Death In June followed soon after along with weirdos like NON/Boyd Rice, Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV/Genesis P. Orridge, Eisnturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Klinik, Ikon, and an onslaught of cool sounds in the Futurist and Goth section. Heck! Maybe YOU could recommend sounds to me!
You should give Wolfsheim and VNV Nation a try. Their kind of aggro and thump-thum-thumpy (which is why I don't really recommend Funker Vogt and Wumpscut!). "Further" is an excellent song to be introduced to VNV. Everyone sees this band as a the bastard child of Depeche Mode and you can hear a bit of "Blasphemous Rumours" angst in the vocals and lyrics. Wolfsheim is good too... much softer and in tune with bands like Camouflage and De/Vision.
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That's a highly debatable question in some circles!
I would, without hesitation, classify Manson’s music as Metal. As an example, the All Music Guide classifies his style as Industrial Metal, Alternative Metal, Heavy Metal and I’d have to agree. They go on in their description of Goth Rock to include the following “The latter half of the '90s also saw goth rock's influence cropping up all over heavy metal; a new breed of progressive black metal bands drew heavily from goth's sound and style, while some alternative metal bands also borrowed from goth rock's visual imagery (including Marilyn Manson, who — despite countless news reports to the contrary — is not a goth-rock artist).” I definitely agree with this as well. Clearly his music and visuals contain many Goth elements, but the basic foundation of his music is very much Metal.
In the end we all have our own interpretations of what is and what isn’t Goth and I’d have to say that most points/arguments I’ve heard each contain valid elements.
I guess the confusion comes into play when people who are very new to a musical style or genre make claims that aren’t based on a strong knowledge base. When Goth started becoming known to the general public in the 90’s most people (journalists included) had no idea what it was all about. Manson became popular around the same time. Due to pure coincidence he ended up lumped under Goth. As a result, media databases have him filed as a Goth artist and 10 years later that erroneous classification has never been corrected and is being re-hashed with many press releases for his newest album.
Above Tarzan Boy makes the following statement I also agree with
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Addendum: Yes, Depeche Mode's Black Celebration is pretty much in tune with Goth music, so is Some Great Reward, A Broken Frame, and Construction Time Again for that matter... But, please please please, don't lump crap like Marilyn Manson, Slipknot, Cradle Of Filth, Type O Negative, Insane Clown Posse, and those ridiculous white-contact, white-face wearing garbage. Those kids have not taken their ritalin in a loooong time and they also, unfortunately, think they listen to good music. They make me ashamed to admit I listen to good Goth music!
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Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
OH yeah Classix is awesome :)
i'd recommend Xmal Deutschland any album (Tocsin, Fetish, Viva)..
Xymox i love the song Muscoviet Mosquito (their first album is great too)
dead can dance (1st album)
i guess anything by Siouxsie & the Banshees, Bauhaus, Joy Division, early Cure, but those are very known :)
Anne Clark (sleeping in metropolis)
there are loads more but i can't remember now, gotta dig in my albums
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How about Classix Nouveaux?? "Guilty" is a great song, but pretty much anything of theirs will do.
And I agree with the Bauhaus, Cure and Joy Division suggestions. I might even add The Smiths in there too, but maybe I'm just being biased. :)
Absolutely Vile
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Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
SISTERS OF MERCY! i nearly forgot doh :)))))))
in they weren't goth well...
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What would you qualify him as Zed?
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Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
Hey, how come nobody has ever considered "The Lords of the New Church?"
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Hey, how come nobody has ever considered "The Lords of the New Church?"
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Wow - Everytime I hear the name of that band I can't help but think of their fantastic cover of 'Like a Virgin'!
Nice suggestion - I have their 3rd release 'Method to Our Madness' on vinyl!
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Wow! You must be, like, the only person on this board who has mentioned a Christian Death album other than Only Theatre Of Pain! It's very good. I love it myself. I have some of the crappier albums too... mainly those released by Valor under the name "Christian Death." I only liked his Windkissed Pictures and Past, Present, and Forever albums. Rozz was evil and arrogant from the accounts that I've read of him, but I guess we could not have had him any other way! He wasn't a very nice person, but, man, he was talented! Definitely loved Catastrophe Ballet and In Every Dream Home A Heartache. Two albums which introduced me to the Goth subgenre.
Death In June followed soon after along with weirdos like NON/Boyd Rice, Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV/Genesis P. Orridge, Eisnturzende Neubauten, Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Klinik, Ikon, and an onslaught of cool sounds in the Futurist and Goth section. Heck! Maybe YOU could recommend sounds to me!
You should give Wolfsheim and VNV Nation a try. Their kind of aggro and thump-thum-thumpy (which is why I don't really recommend Funker Vogt and Wumpscut!). "Further" is an excellent song to be introduced to VNV. Everyone sees this band as a the bastard child of Depeche Mode and you can hear a bit of "Blasphemous Rumours" angst in the vocals and lyrics. Wolfsheim is good too... much softer and in tune with bands like Camouflage and De/Vision.
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Rozz and Gitane's Dream Home Heartache is enjoyable, but Gitane's cuts irritate the heck out of me for some reason. I particularly enjoy the title cut. It’s a nice cover of the classic Roxy Music tune.
I'm surprised you don't have Coil on your lists. They did an unreleased soundtrack for the movie ‘Hellraiser’ that is really good and is available on one of their 'Unnatural History' releases -1st one I think. And along that line, I’ve been waiting for Current 93’s 'Nature Unveiled' to be re-released. Now that’s a great album!
I can't seem to get on board with the new Synth-Goth thing. Perhaps it's just a case of me not hearing enough or it. I do however highly recommend Diary of Dreams. FANTASTIC! Along the same lines though I picked up the newest Cruxshadows and was highly disappointed. Just didn’t do it for me.
If you like old Clan of Xymox I would highly recommend an album called ‘Sleeps with the Fishes” by Peter Nooten (ex-Xymox member) and Michael Brook. It’s absolutely fantastic. Fits right in with the old 4AD sound, Clan of Xymox and This Mortal Coil. Very laid back, quiet music.
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Nice suggestion - I have their 3rd release 'Method to Our Madness' on vinyl!
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I reeeeally like the song, "Dance With Me" off that album.
and I know TB does too! ;)
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OMG! yeah they were in Norway a few months ago, but i couldn't go, it was in another city and i was so broke :-/
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Hey, how come nobody has ever considered "The Lords of the New Church?"
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Anything by Bauhaus is considered Goth Rock.
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Cocteau Twins, particularly their first few albums
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"Geheimnis" by X-Mal Deutschland. Good band.
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i'd recommend Xmal Deutschland any album (Tocsin, Fetish, Viva)..
Anne Clark (sleeping in metropolis)
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Hmm Anne Clark - don't think I've heard of her. Woo-Hoo and new one to check out!
X-Mal – Now there’s one I’ve always liked but never bought anything by them. Anyone have any suggestions on where I can find Fetisch on CD?. (MMMM Anje – drool)
Any other obscure/ old/ forgotten/ little known/ D’OH - can’t believe I didn’t think of them/ recommendations out there?
Thanks!!!
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yeah please check out anne clark, great lyrics, british accent and very 80s synth sounds. Get " Sleeping in Metropolis", this song is my fave.
Now Xmal, it's a MUST have! my sister taped it to me 8 years ago and i was like obssessed, so my bf gave it to me for Christmas, Tocsin.. he ordered from cdnow.com then afterwards I've got Fetish from a goth store here in Norway. And then my sister got Viva from a cdstore in Brazil, sent me by snailmail, i was just so happy (HEHE perky goth).
Anje is way hot in those xmal pics, i guess there was a yahoo group for xmal. SHe is my kind of girl too and i just love her voice :)
Try cdnow.com or even ebay
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-5235344-6379046
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&krd=1&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=xm
al
(copy cut & paste this link , if doesn't work try www.ebay.com and type Xmal :) )
I gotta search about more obscure bands, i have several compilations, also i should read this thread over again so i don't repeat myself.
ALien Sex Fiend? Love them :)
take care!
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Hmm Anne Clark - don't think I've heard of her. Woo-Hoo and new one to check out!
X-Mal – Now there’s one I’ve always liked but never bought anything by them. Anyone have any suggestions on where I can find Fetisch on CD?. (MMMM Anje – drool)
Any other obscure/ old/ forgotten/ little known/ D’OH - can’t believe I didn’t think of them/ recommendations out there?
Thanks!!!
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yes, the first one is really dark goth, the sec (head over hills) ihas really classic songs I love one called "ANGELHOOD"! also the third album "treasure" is very ambient. Recommended.
Anyway.. liz frazer has such a great voice. OH and her hair in the early cocteau twins, so kwel :P
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Cocteau Twins, particularly their first few albums
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yes, the first one is really dark goth, the sec (head over hills) ihas really classic songs I love one called "ANGELHOOD"! also the third album "treasure" is very ambient. Recommended.
Anyway.. liz frazer has such a great voice. OH and her hair in the early cocteau twins, so kwel :P
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Ah yes the Cocteaux - Absolutely - I own all 9 of their full albums including The Moon and the Melodies w/ Harold Budd, ~the first singles collection The Pink Opaque ~the 2 CD BBC Sessions and ~the 10 CD Box Set of EP's - Can't get enough of them Cocteaux.
If you like them you should check out Violet Indiana with Robin Guthrie (Cocteaux) and Siobhan de Maré (Mono). It's not the original but it's pretty darned good.
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Ah yes the Cocteaux - Absolutely - I own all 9 of their full albums including The Moon and the Melodies w/ Harold Budd, ~the first singles collection The Pink Opaque ~the 2 CD BBC Sessions and ~the 10 CD Box Set of EP's - Can't get enough of them Cocteaux.
If you like them you should check out Violet Indiana with Robin Guthrie (Cocteaux) and Siobhan de Maré (Mono). It's not the original but it's pretty darned good.
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darn, i posted but the msg didn't go through properly. Anyway, by Cocteau Twins, I only have the 1st album in vynil, 2nd and 3rd in cd plus some random songs in mp3s.. I'm jealous of your collection!
I heard about Violet Indiana, but i never got hold of any of their recordings, i will try to get in mp3, thanks for reminding me ;)
Did you like Liz Frazer singing in Massive Attack (Teardrop song, i guess?)? i really loved.. first time i could understand her lyrics! LOL :D
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Ah yes the Cocteaux - Absolutely - I own all 9 of their full albums including The Moon and the Melodies w/ Harold Budd, ~the first singles collection The Pink Opaque ~the 2 CD BBC Sessions and ~the 10 CD Box Set of EP's - Can't get enough of them Cocteaux.
If you like them you should check out Violet Indiana with Robin Guthrie (Cocteaux) and Siobhan de Maré (Mono). It's not the original but it's pretty darned good.
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Rozz and Gitane's Dream Home Heartache is enjoyable, but Gitane's cuts irritate the heck out of me for some reason. I particularly enjoy the title cut. It’s a nice cover of the classic Roxy Music tune.
I'm surprised you don't have Coil on your lists. They did an unreleased soundtrack for the movie ‘Hellraiser’ that is really good and is available on one of their 'Unnatural History' releases -1st one I think. And along that line, I’ve been waiting for Current 93’s 'Nature Unveiled' to be re-released. Now that’s a great album!
I can't seem to get on board with the new Synth-Goth thing. Perhaps it's just a case of me not hearing enough or it. I do however highly recommend Diary of Dreams. FANTASTIC! Along the same lines though I picked up the newest Cruxshadows and was highly disappointed. Just didn’t do it for me.
If you like old Clan of Xymox I would highly recommend an album called ‘Sleeps with the Fishes” by Peter Nooten (ex-Xymox member) and Michael Brook. It’s absolutely fantastic. Fits right in with the old 4AD sound, Clan of Xymox and This Mortal Coil. Very laid back, quiet music.
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I'm beginning to really like this board again!
Yes. I do have Diary Of Dreams. I have two of their albums. They sound okay. Metropolis is to to-day as 4AD was back then when it comes this kind of music scene. They're gonna take over the world! Hahaha. A Different Drum releases minor, up-and-comers, but they have De/Vision and I think that is one kick @$$ band in a Camouflage kind of way.
Again, I am in disbelief you would mention bands that nobody else here has! Yes, I need to get that Current 93 album! I need to get quite a few albums, actually. This goes into the list of must get for the summer. I want to get more Death In June... at least have a complete 80s set of their stuff. I just finished my Clan Of Xymox collection (opting not to buy Remixes From The Underground since I don't dig their new sound and look at all). I want to begin getting all the Cabaret Voltaire from 1982 onwards too and that is gonna cost a pretty penny since it's all special orders (hahaha! Any serious music fan has to get their music by special ordering, huh?). All of this is stuff that one cannot just simpy download from WinMX or KaZaA, but there is a thrill in the hunt and finding some cool junk that others are deprived of... at least that is how I view it 8) I have heard Coil, but I don't own any of their albums either.
Um, I like some of the synth Goth acts. Wolfsheim is probably the best one around, imho. I like Wolfsheim's album, Spectators, a lot. Everyone raves about VNV Nation, Wumpscut, Funker Vogt, and Melotron, but those are mainly fly girls and disco dollies (male and female!) ::) Wolfsheim has a softer sound, kinda 80s with good lyrics. I guess it's German acts all around! What used to be British domain is now German, it seems.
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I'm beginning to really like this board again!
I just finished my Clan Of Xymox collection (opting not to buy Remixes From The Underground since I don't dig their new sound and look at all).
wow, i'm jealous :)
i just have 5 of their albums in cd . I have also that Muscoviet Mosquito videoclip from a 4AD comp. "Lonely is an Eyesore", it rocks :)
I want to begin getting all the Cabaret Voltaire from 1982 onwards too and that is gonna cost a pretty penny since it's all special orders (hahaha! Any serious music fan has to get their music by special ordering, huh?).
oh cabaret voltaire it's a bit harder to get, i only have two albums :-/
Do you like A Split Second? I have an awesome compilation that i bought in Brazil...I like other old ebm/industrial, stuff such as Das Ich, Einstzunden Neubateun (sp?), Front 242, Fad Gadget, X Marks the Pedwalk, Front Line Assembly, KMFDM, Kraftwerk (obviously )Leatherstrip, Pink Industry, Swans etc too many too remember
All of this is stuff that one cannot just simpy download from WinMX or KaZaA, but there is a thrill in the hunt and finding some cool junk that others are deprived of... at least that is how I view it 8) I have heard Coil, but I don't own any of their albums either.
Um, I like some of the synth Goth acts. Wolfsheim is probably the best one around, imho. I like Wolfsheim's album, Spectators, a lot. Everyone raves about VNV Nation, Wumpscut, Funker Vogt, and Melotron, but those are mainly fly girls and disco dollies (male and female!) ::) Wolfsheim has a softer sound, kinda 80s with good lyrics. I guess it's German acts all around! What used to be British domain is now German, it seems.
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i got many many of these sounds from Napster and Audiogalaxy.. kazaa sucks compared to the old times :(
Coil is not my thing (that cover of tainted love gave me constipation, come on 10 mins?! lol) while my brother in law like them and went to their gig last year. He said it was the weirdest presentation he ever saw, lotsa of naked male dancers, really dark atmosphere. S L O W music too. He was pleased.
new synth bands i enjoy: VNV Nation (good in records but sucks live), Hocico (awesome live), Projekt Pitchfork (i was too drunk to care), Wumpscut, Funker Vogt, Second Decay, Elegant Machinery, Aghast View (YAY! brazilian) Melotron (love their songs), Evils Toy, Covenant, BlutEngel, Assemblage23, And One, Wolfsheim, Apoptygma Berzeck (saw them twice, great stuff), Welle Erdball, Subgud, Spock, Icon of Coil (they are really cool live, norwegian :) )
what about old stuff like Front Line Assembly and Nitzer ebb? Laibach? Die Krupps? :)
anyway.. as you can see i really like electronic music, it's great to dance, but i love classic goth rock too as well the synthpop (camouflage, visage, depeche, duran duran, heaven17, ultravox, vicious pink etc etc) and the kinda new goth acts are great too (cruxshadows, merry thoughts, suspiria, london after midnight, etc)
sorry for the messy posts, i'm still learning how to quote properly or use the bold fonts, some of your quotes got strange, because of my lack of skills , HEH 8)
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I'm beginning to really like this board again!
Metropolis is to to-day as 4AD was back then when it comes this kind of music scene. They're gonna take over the world! Hahaha.
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In the vein of the 4AD sound, I’ve been following the Projekt label more than Metropolis. I guess it has to do with the fact that I don’t really go clubbing enough anymore and am not getting exposed to new/different music at the same rate as years past.
On Metropolis I have Claire Voyant (really enjoy them), Clan of Xymox (doing their best to rip off the Sisters), Diary of Dreams, London After Midnight (I think they do it right!), and Love is Colder than Death (interesting mix of sounds over the years).
On Projekt I have too many to mention. Thanks for the Metropolis recommend I really must check out more of these bands.
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Again, I am in disbelief you would mention bands that nobody else here has! Yes, I need to get that Current 93 album! I need to get quite a few albums, actually. This goes into the list of must get for the summer. I want to get more Death In June... at least have a complete 80s set of their stuff. I want to begin getting all the Cabaret Voltaire from 1982 onwards too and that is gonna cost a pretty penny since it's all special orders ~ ~I have heard Coil, but I don't own any of their albums either.
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Current 93 - I only have Dogs Blood Rising and Thunder Perfect Mind – I’d like to check out more…
Death in June - But, what ends when the symbols shatter?, Rose Clouds of Holocaust, Operation Hummingbird & All Pigs Must Die. I don’t plan on grabbing anything else of theirs. Enjoyable but not a must have for me.
Cabaret Voltaire – I only have a few albums on vinyl (packed up – not sure which) Always enjoyed but never ended up getting more.
So many bands so little time (and money!)
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Um, I like some of the synth Goth acts. Wolfsheim is probably the best one around, imho. I like Wolfsheim's album, Spectators, a lot. Everyone raves about VNV Nation, Wumpscut, Funker Vogt, and Melotron, but those are mainly fly girls and disco dollies (male and female!) ::) Wolfsheim has a softer sound, kinda 80s with good lyrics. I guess it's German acts all around! What used to be British domain is now German, it seems.
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Have only heard these out and about but haven’t bought any of them – thanks for the list though!
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4AD comp. "Lonely is an Eyesore", it rocks :)
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Always wanted it – never picked it up! Planning on grabbing it though. Thanks for the reminder!
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Do you like A Split Second? I have an awesome compilation that i bought in Brazil...I like other old ebm/industrial, stuff such as Das Ich, Einstzunden Neubateun (sp?), Front 242, Fad Gadget, X Marks the Pedwalk, Front Line Assembly, KMFDM, Kraftwerk (obviously )Leatherstrip, Pink Industry, Swans etc too many too remember
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Great list!
Listened and liked most but again mostly in my heavy clubbing daze. I don’t listen to these ones at home though. More into the quieter stuff now. (I’m getting old!)
When I was in high school in the early 80’s I bought my first Swans album. I was a big fan of just about everything going on musically in those days – so much new stuff!!!
I used to call my Swans albums my 2 o’clock in the morning albums!
Kraftwerk laid the foundation for SO MUCH!!! that came after. Amazingly influential band and part of my collection of vinyl and CD.
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Listened and liked most but again mostly in my heavy clubbing daze. I don’t listen to these ones at home though. More into the quieter stuff now. (I’m getting old!)
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Hey! I like the quieter stuff too! Dead Can Dance, mainly, but also Black Tape For A Blue Girl. I should get Projekt stuff, I should, but alas! I cannot break the bank account on music alone since I am a Uni student :(
Btw, you are one of two members I have seen who uses that pun 8)
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I have a friend in Brazil that could sing exactly like the guy from Swans, he even had an experimental band and so on, but he was too boozed all the time to do anything serious, except his paintings. Anyway, that's another topic :)
About quiet songs... dead can dance has been one of my favorite acts, i have seven of their cds, I love the first one, the 2nd spleen and ideal, and a live bootleg called "in europe 87". My biggest disappointment is that i still don't have "within the realm of a dying sun" on cd yet :'(
Get the Lonely is An Eyesore compilation, if possible the videos! 2 by dead can dance (The Protagonist, Frontier), Muscoviet Mosquito by Xymox....
Kraftwerk and New Order are essential!
Anyone seen the new movie "24 hours party people"?
I need to have it in dvd! the guy that plays Ian Curtis is perfect and the whole movie is really funny, everything very accurate, recommended!
some days i need to listen the slow stuff (DCD; Love Spiral Dowards, Black tape for a blue girl) but usually it's either classic synth / goth 80's stuff or the new ebm/goth acts. You know, there is some great music for cleaning the apartment, just gotta have the right mood :-*
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Always wanted it – never picked it up! Planning on grabbing it though. Thanks for the reminder!
Great list!
Listened and liked most but again mostly in my heavy clubbing daze. I don’t listen to these ones at home though. More into the quieter stuff now. (I’m getting old!)
When I was in high school in the early 80’s I bought my first Swans album. I was a big fan of just about everything going on musically in those days – so much new stuff!!!
I used to call my Swans albums my 2 o’clock in the morning albums!
Kraftwerk laid the foundation for SO MUCH!!! that came after. Amazingly influential band and part of my collection of vinyl and CD.
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Section 25 and The Durutti Column are real good. Actually, I like the old Factory bands more than the 4AD line-up. They're the ones with bands like Joy Division, A Certain Ratio, Crispy Ambulance, NewOrder, Dif Juz, etc.! I think the heaviest sounds there came from Joy Division! Sigh. So little time and money, so many good bands :)
Must... get... more... Cabaret Voltaire :D !
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oh if you love the Factory label bands, PLEASE watch "24 hours party people"! that movie rocks! like i said :D
has everything with joy division, new order, the death of Ian Curtis and so on..
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Section 25 and The Durutti Column are real good. Actually, I like the old Factory bands more than the 4AD line-up. They're the ones with bands like Joy Division, A Certain Ratio, Crispy Ambulance, NewOrder, Dif Juz, etc.! I think the heaviest sounds there came from Joy Division! Sigh. So little time and money, so many good bands :)
Must... get... more... Cabaret Voltaire :D !
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I'll rent the DVD and watch it with my cuddle-plush princess :)
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cool! let me know if you like it 8)
my birthday is next wednesday (4th of June) i hope my husband will give 24 hours party people on dvd. Cross your fingers! afterall he and his brother loved the movie too.. so is not only a present for me, but an investment to the whole family! LOL ;D
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I'll rent the DVD and watch it with my cuddle-plush princess :)
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I am a DJ who spins deathrock/goth/punk. I would not consider VNV Nation or any of those 'synthpop' bands goth because they simply aren't. I can't stand those bands because to me they all almost sound alike. Just my opinion mind you.
Anyway!!! I have not seen anybody post that many deathrock bands.....so here I go.
Sex Gang Children
The Brides
The Brickbats
Killing Joke
Bella Morte
Cinema Strange
TSOL
45 Grave
Penis Flytrap
Fear Cult
I think that these kind of bands have more in common with the original goth sound than those synthpop bands do. After all goth music did come from punk.
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cool! let me know if you like it 8)
my birthday is next wednesday (4th of June) i hope my husband will give 24 hours party people on dvd. Cross your fingers! afterall he and his brother loved the movie too.. so is not only a present for me, but an investment to the whole family! LOL ;D
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HOLY SHEEP SHIT BATMAN! - My birthday is June 4th too!
24 Hour Party People is EXCELLENT! Highly recommended. Funny. Insightful, Depressing, Exciting etc. definitely worth seeing/owning.
Before you buy - I understand the US DVD is only 1 Disc and the UK DVD has 2 discs.
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I am a DJ who spins deathrock/goth/punk. I would not consider VNV Nation or any of those 'synthpop' bands goth because they simply aren't. I can't stand those bands because to me they all almost sound alike. Just my opinion mind you.
Anyway!!! I have not seen anybody post that many deathrock bands.....so here I go.
Sex Gang Children
The Brides
The Brickbats
Killing Joke
Bella Morte
Cinema Strange
TSOL
45 Grave
Penis Flytrap
Fear Cult
I think that these kind of bands have more in common with the original goth sound than those synthpop bands do. After all goth music did come from punk.
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Cool List!
I’m a fan of and own stuff from a few of these…
Sex Gang Children
Killing Joke
TSOL
Fear Cult.
The other’s I’ve heard of and heard but never pursued.
Right on with your comment about Goth coming from Punk! The original Goth sound was definitely much closer to Punk and as far as Goth ‘Rock’ goes I much prefer that earlier style.
As far as the overall genre I’m confused as to why Goth ‘Rock’ has virtually disappeared and has been replaced by all these Depeche Mode /Nitzer Ebb clones. Not that it’s necessarily bad music I’d just wish there was a little more diversity in what’s being put out these days.
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I love TSOL. I started liking them after I saw the movie "Suburbia" (great soundtrack) then saw them live at the old 9:30 Club (being from MD, I am SURE you know this place) what an awesome show!! :) Whatever became of them?
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I love TSOL. I started liking them after I saw the movie "Suburbia" (great soundtrack) then saw them live at the old 9:30 Club (being from MD, I am SURE you know this place) what an awesome show!! :) Whatever became of them?
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They have just finished a new album and it should be comning out fairly soon. I saw them play in California and Jack let me sing all of Code Blue on stage!!!
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Cool List!
I’m a fan of and own stuff from a few of these…
Sex Gang Children
Killing Joke
TSOL
Fear Cult.
The other’s I’ve heard of and heard but never pursued.
Right on with your comment about Goth coming from Punk! The original Goth sound was definitely much closer to Punk and as far as Goth ‘Rock’ goes I much prefer that style. As far as the overall genre I’m confused as to why Goth ‘Rock’ has virtually disappeared and has been replaced by all these Depeche Mode /Nitzer Ebb clones. Not that it’s necessarily bad music I’d just wish there was a little more diversity in what’s being put out these days.
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There are a lot of newer deathrock bands emerging and there are a lot of clubs starting deathrock nights. I think a lot of people are getting sick of all of the synthpop that is being played.Two other DJs and I are going to try to start a monthly deathrock/goth/punk night here in DC. We are looking for a venue right now. I am DJing at a bondage club this friday and they really like the fact that I am playing the music that I am. Most of the people who like synthpop around here were not in the scene when deathrock was still being regularly played. I have had people ask me if deathrock is the same as black metal!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!! Those darn silly kids......
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I have had people ask me if deathrock is the same as black metal!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!! Those darn silly kids......
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Very few people use the term deathrock properly. Good to see you know what you're talking about! Unfortunately it's been assimilated by the metal world and I fear it's lost to the dark/goth oriented world for the most part. (Valor taking over Christian Death played a major roll in the word being abused)
I've enjoyed a bunch of deathrock bands but when it comes to the 'rock' sound of darker musics I've still tended to go for and buy the more typical Goth sound. But I do still love that early style a lot.
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A bondage club here in DC! Yeah! You have to let me know where that is :D ;)
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A bondage club here in DC! Yeah! You have to let me know where that is :D ;)
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It's at the U-Turn on the corner of U St. and 11 St. It happens on Friday nights and the crowd is pretty cool. Nothing too crazy goes on there.
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Hey, welcome back, Vampira :)
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Hey, welcome back, Vampira :)
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Thanks!!!!!! *HUGS*
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Anyone heard anything about the Virgin Prunes re-releasing 'If I Die, I Die' ?
I'd really like to get my hands on that CD.
Gavin Friday's solo work is pretty interesting too. Not anything like the Prunes but interesting all the same.
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Nope. It's always been the same live album that I find, "Sons Find Devils."
The rest of their stuff I've seen in compilations only. Ugh.
Anyone like Die Form ??? I got a couple of the CDs, but I cannot get into the aria-like vocals. I really like P. Fichot's music... hmmm.
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Nope. It's always been the same live album that I find, "Sons Find Devils."
The rest of their stuff I've seen in compilations only. Ugh.
Anyone like Die Form ??? I got a couple of the CDs, but I cannot get into the aria-like vocals. I really like P. Fichot's music... hmmm.
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Same here on the Prunes.
Don't really know Die Form so I can't comment. You should check out Sleep Chamber. I really like John ZeWizz's stuff and I understand the themes are similar to Die Form.
Talk about liking the music but not the vocals. I really like Ataraxia, but sometimes those operatic vocals they use are right over the top and even a bit laughable. Luckily they only sing that way on a few tracks of the CD's own.
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Same here on the Prunes.
Don't really know Die Form so I can't comment. You should check out Sleep Chamber. I really like John ZeWizz's stuff and I understand the themes are similar to Die Form.
Talk about liking the music but not the vocals. I really like Ataraxia, but sometimes those operatic vocals they use are right over the top and even a bit laughable. Luckily they only sing that way on a few tracks of the CD's own.
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Exactly! I like the music and, sometimes, the operatic/aria vocals, but not ALL the time. I'll try out Sleep Chamber. I have not heard of them at all. I've seen the name, but not heard anything from them. Die Form can definitely make it on its own with just Fichot, his keyboards, and a couple of voice distorters.
Okay, am I the only one who also likes Skinny Puppy, but mainly because of the music and not the vocals ???
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Okay, am I the only one who also likes Skinny Puppy, but mainly because of the music and not the vocals ???
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I have "Too Dark Park", "Mind: The Perputual Intercourse" & "Rabies" and I can't even listen to them anymore. I used to really like them, but you are right....he is NOT that great of a vocalist. I saw them live back in the early 90's & it was a joke! They sounded so awful, that my friends & I ended up leaving & going to (of all places) a strip club ;D Woo hoo! ;D
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Hey...I like Die Form darn it!!!!!LOL!!!
All of the Virgin Prunes records are going to be rereleased onto CD very soon. I am not sure of the exact dates though.
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Exactly! I like the music and, sometimes, the operatic/aria vocals, but not ALL the time. I'll try out Sleep Chamber. I have not heard of them at all. I've seen the name, but not heard anything from them. Die Form can definitely make it on its own with just Fichot, his keyboards, and a couple of voice distorters.
Okay, am I the only one who also likes Skinny Puppy, but mainly because of the music and not the vocals ???
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Sleep Chamber puts out some 'song' oriented albums and some album length instrumental pieces. Not an easy band to find info on their individual releases. There's some old reviews on TrouserPress.com and allmusic.com has a bio but no album reviews. Darklandmusic.com and Isolation Tank have some of the larger selections of their CD's. Middle Pillar has a handfull of CD's and actually has some reviews as well.
My favorite Skinny Puppy album is Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse. VIVISect VI is right up there. I think the vocals work with the music but could have been mixed differently. Mind you I'm certainly not a huge fan of the vocals but for some reason they seem to work for me.
I definitely prefer cleaner vocals than harsh or gruff rantings any day.
Of course Fields of the Nephilim wouldn't be the same without Carl McCoys ruff vocal delivery! (Elizium is their best - imho)
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WOO HOO! Congrats for us both then!!! ;)
i'm not sure i will get "24 Hour Party people" today for birthday, but it will be probably from uk, as seen in the video store here! I'm so broke today, i wanted to celebrate but the only thing i will probably do is go to the small movie theatre that will be sending Depeche Mode (101!!!) today, probably because of my birthday HEHEHEHE! ;D
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HOLY SHEEP SHIT BATMAN! - My birthday is June 4th too!
24 Hour Party People is EXCELLENT! Highly recommended. Funny. Insightful, Depressing, Exciting etc. definitely worth seeing/owning.
Before you buy - I understand the US DVD is only 1 Disc and the UK DVD has 2 discs.
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WOO HOO! Congrats for us both then!!! ;)
i'm not sure i will get "24 Hour Party people" today for birthday, but it will be probably from uk, as seen in the video store here! I'm so broke today, i wanted to celebrate but the only thing i will probably do is go to the small movie theatre that will be sending Depeche Mode (101!!!) today, probably because of my birthday HEHEHEHE! ;D
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Happy Birthday!!!
I saw Depeche Mode at the beginning of the same tour that they filmed 101. Good show!
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Anybody like the bands that modeled their sounds (even briefly) after The Sisters of Mercy?
March Violets
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry
Wake
Children on Stun
etc...
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ME TOO! ME TOO! <GRIN>
The Wake is great specially that song Christine. Red Lorry Yellow Lorry is cool too, March Violets and Children on Stun both classics. I find Rosetta Stone sometimes a bit Sisters-ish but with a more the Mission (wayne Hussey) vocals. What do you think?
the best new act totally sisters sounding is MERRY THOUGHTS, IMHO it's a must have, even the singer is a wannabe Eldritch! Get both albums or download their mp3s
There was this other band.. Star Industry, kinda sisters sounding, i guess, it was OK, I bought the cd and gave to my brother-in-law in his birthday.
I love sisters... awwww Eldritch *drools*. I have so many albums, bootlegs, video, t-shirts, but i've been too only one gig, at the Forum in london, '98. I saw the Mission in 2001 here in Oslo, they still kick ass! I got the set list! hehe
but of all new acts, sounding like sisters, i would highly recommend The Merry Thoughts.
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Anybody like the bands that modeled their sounds (even briefly) after The Sisters of Mercy?
March Violets
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry
Wake
Children on Stun
etc...
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:o
you are such a lucky person!
DM played here in oslo last year, my husband went, i was sick as dog so couldn't go, but he brought me a girly t-shirt with the Violator rose :)
But he said that DM played more the new songs, more from Ultra, ok a few classics, but it wasn't what he expected, the oldies.
Last wednesday, we went to a DM party at a club here, my feet are still sore because i danced non-stop for nearly 4 hours... only DM, remixes, originals, live etc, it was awesome. I wish there were more 80's nights here, but unfortunately there are only 3 worthwhile events here in Oslo, one is gotham nights that play gothrock, shadowlove another one that play goth/synth/80s/some metal, last one Plan9 that it's only synth/ebm/industrial. The other places plays mostly techno or mainstream stuff... In sweden on the other hand, has so many clubs and such a large synth public, visually speaking has the coolest people too HEHE besides the greatest new bands, very 80s inspired, such as Melody Club, The Sounds.
In Norway is kinda depressing, the goth look here is velvet, lace, corsetry, long straight black hair.. I look like an alien, because i'm totally 80s/punk electroclash, you know pink hair, shocking colors and so on? very rarely you see big hair and mohawks in the goth nights here, it's not as cool as Sweden or Germany... then again i disgress, the discussion is not about looks! the 'goths' from Norway were old death/black metal people that got converted due Type o Negative goth metal, many of them don't even know who the heck are Bauhaus :'(
hey the thread got a bit of topic :P
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Happy Birthday!!!
I saw Depeche Mode at the beginning of the same tour that they filmed 101. Good show!
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but of all new acts, sounding like sisters, i would highly recommend The Merry Thoughts.
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I think I've heard of them but have never heard their music. I remember something about a band that sounds just like the Sisters but with slower music. Is that The Merry Thoughts?
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The Wake is great specially that song Christine. Red Lorry Yellow Lorry is cool too, March Violets and Children on Stun both classics. I find Rosetta Stone sometimes a bit Sisters-ish but with a more the Mission (wayne Hussey) vocals. What do you think?
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Of all these, my favorite is Red Lorry Yellow Lorrie but probably cause I have more of their music. I only have Rosetta Stones 1st album and I really like the title track Adrenaline. But I don’t think I’ve heard anything else by them. Wayne Hussey actually worked with them initially on that 1st album so it’s no surprise that it has his sound. For some reason though, I’ve never liked the Mission. It has nothing to do with the whole Sisters thing at all. I’ve just never liked their music. Who knows…
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Anybody like the bands that modeled their sounds (even briefly) after The Sisters of Mercy?
March Violets
Red Lorry Yellow Lorry
Wake
Children on Stun
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I love Red Lorry Yellow Lorry a lot. They actually always reminded me of Joy Division not Sisters Of Mercy.
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I love Red Lorry Yellow Lorry a lot. They actually always reminded me of Joy Division not Sisters Of Mercy.
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I agree -absolutely closer to Joy Division but they've always been lumped into the 'sounds like the Sisters' basket so I included them on the list as well.
There's a new Joy Division clone out there from NYC (who I shall leave un-named) who's creating a buzz. Personally I think they're a definitively boring version of JD.
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There's a new Joy Division clone out there from NYC (who I shall leave un-named) who's creating a buzz. Personally I think they're a definitively boring version of JD.
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I thought that was Crispy Ambulance ??? Hehehe
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I thought that was Crispy Ambulance ??? Hehehe
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WoW - now there's a name from the past - whatever happened to them??? ( You're right they did have a certain JD similarity)
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Merry thoughts sounds just like Sisters, they have slower songs too... you could download some of their songs from kazaa or morpheus and see, i found their homepege maybe you could take a look:
http://www.themerrythoughts.de/
I didn't know that Wayne Hussey worked with Rosetta Stone, but i was really surprised with the influences, there are also some lyrics references to both sisters and mission. Mission was very different from sisters, but i always liked the guitars, their early albums were good IMO.
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I think I've heard of them but have never heard their music. I remember something about a band that sounds just like the Sisters but with slower music. Is that The Merry Thoughts?
Of all these, my favorite is Red Lorry Yellow Lorrie but probably cause I have more of their music. I only have Rosetta Stones 1st album and I really like the title track Adrenaline. But I don’t think I’ve heard anything else by them. Wayne Hussey actually worked with them initially on that 1st album so it’s no surprise that it has his sound. For some reason though, I’ve never liked the Mission. It has nothing to do with the whole Sisters thing at all. I’ve just never liked their music. Who knows…
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The band that was a big joy division clone is IKON, from Australia. Their first albums with the previous vocalists, sounded so Ian Curtis that was scary! they even recorded to a Joy Division tribute. But now they have a new line-up, i guess and the sound changed
http://www.ikondomain.com/
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I love Red Lorry Yellow Lorry a lot. They actually always reminded me of Joy Division not Sisters Of Mercy.
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It was great to see the 101 video in a big screen :)
hey, my brother in law gave me "24 hours party people" dvd!!!! ;D It's only one cd but I'm not sure it was the american version, because it was produced and has text in norwegian... He gave me also a double dvd with all David Bowie videos, best of bowie :D
My husband gave me some crazy smooth gel markers with neon colors, they look like lipstick on the paper. Also an awesome book The Warhol Look, that has everything from arts to the fashion, lotsa of 60s fashion and the people from warhol Factory (edie sedgwick, ultra violet)...
It was a great day, we ate sushi at the roof of one of the tallest building here in Oslo (is where my husband works) and then went to the movie teater and watched DM 101, got back home and watched bowie.
Zed, what did you do in your birthday?
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Happy Birthday!!!
I saw Depeche Mode at the beginning of the same tour that they filmed 101. Good show!
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Fields of the Nephilim, now that's an awesome band. They got back and did some tours, but they called off (sp?) the gig to Denmark last year or 2 years ago, very upsetting. Are they still playing or they splitted up again? just wondered
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I definitely prefer cleaner vocals than harsh or gruff rantings any day.
Of course Fields of the Nephilim wouldn't be the same without Carl McCoys ruff vocal delivery! (Elizium is their best - imho)
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No synth or ebm bands aren't goth but that's something that most clubs in germany play, i guess to a degree england too. It's very danceable. I like, i guess it's a YMMV thing, some people don't like others love it.
I think VNV nation is a bad example, they sucked real bad live, but their recordings are great music as a soundtrack to wash and clean the toilets.
All these ebm/synth bands have some clones but their also have different characteristics, it take time for the listener to identify that they do not sound all alike. It's like a normal listener that thinks that punk bands all sound alike but they do not. Difference is that goth rock bands (mainly the oldies) all had very different styles, so it's easier to recognize as unique. The older synth/ebm bands as well. The newest goth bands can be clones of the olders and the new EBM/synth bands can sound similar to each other, i won't disagree, but it has great acts out there and very danceable. But i understand that some goths are against synth and so on.
Then again no one said that synth bands are goth? They are just part of the scene, that's all.
Bella morte has very synth influences, oh and the kinda Tears for Fears vocals! cool
Cinema Strange look fantastic on stage, big mohawks and great outfits, i saw them on goth Treffen in germany, unfortunately their music didn't appeal to me, it sounded really crappy. But i listened to their cover to a bowie song in a tribute and it was great.
Goth came from punk, that's true, but nowadays it's difficult to find a goth band that didn't use some synth influences. I think it's good to have an open mind mainly considering that not all clubs will play what every person expect.
If the dj sucks i always sing in my mind 'Panic' by Smiths:
"hang the dj , hand the dj, hang the dj...hang the dj" LOL
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I am a DJ who spins deathrock/goth/punk. I would not consider VNV Nation or any of those 'synthpop' bands goth because they simply aren't. I can't stand those bands because to me they all almost sound alike. Just my opinion mind you.
Anyway!!! I have not seen anybody post that many deathrock bands.....so here I go.
Bella Morte
Cinema Strang
I think that these kind of bands have more in common with the original goth sound than those synthpop bands do. After all goth music did come from punk.
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EBM/SYnth It's not bad music, i think it's just the sign of the times, mainly over here in europe it's easier to listen,get to know new groups, go to gigs of all the ebm/synth bands than to dig the older goth rock bands that usually have splitted a long time ago and very few are back on the road.
Don't get me wrong, i like synth and goth rock, what makes me mad is the metal thing going on that suddenly makes some young kids to believe that that's goth! That's something that happens all the time here in scandinavia.
i dunno the reality over there in usa, but it can be frightening to see kids here that don't even know who the heck bauhaus were or kraftwerk, showing how ignorant they are to both classic goth or synth music.
iT'S depressing... so give me any new silly kid (like vampira said) that is into electronic music (even vnv nation) anytime, instead of these gothmetal wannabes that consider moonspell, cradle of filth, manson, _REAL_ goth music.
JMHO here. Young people should get more informed, afterall they may create the new sound, if goth or ebm has anything to offer in terms of novelty, anymore :(
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Right on with your comment about Goth coming from Punk! The original Goth sound was definitely much closer to Punk and as far as Goth ‘Rock’ goes I much prefer that earlier style.
As far as the overall genre I’m confused as to why Goth ‘Rock’ has virtually disappeared and has been replaced by all these Depeche Mode /Nitzer Ebb clones. Not that it’s necessarily bad music I’d just wish there was a little more diversity in what’s being put out these days.
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I guess they ask what the heck deathrock is because it was a label used very much in the 80s, it changed to 'goth rock' through the years. If you told these synth 'kids' that it's goth rock, they would probably relate more than deathrock. I guess.
Geografical differences are so big! here in Norway, the synth people are over than 25 years old at least, so they know well the old school. Only problem is that because they have work/family, they look so darn straight, BORING! LOL
So the lill babygoths from norway look a bit more exciting in comparison.
On the other hand, in Sweden and Germany majority of the synth/ebm scene is based on young flesh, very very cool visually speaking 'silly kids' :-*
Now... Vampira, i wish you could be dj-ing some club over here in norway. Your night sounds great. I hate to go to some of the events here where they play very little old goth/deathrock and then most part thrown in it metal. oh and worst of all: new self claimed 'gothmetal' bands playing covers of old gothrock bands <shivers> makes me cry every time. Sometimes there is a dj dork here that plays black metal, i tell you it scares the hell out of me, i always think the gremlins are invading the club at the moment the black metal vocal sings!
The idea of throwing in some early punk sounds perfect, i should visit you in dc (first i need to rob a bank) there were some old punk bands just so cool, i hate to not find any place here in Norway that plays any of it (except my laptop LOL), there are lotsa of boutique punks here but you ask what they listen and the answer is some new mtv band *sigh* :'(
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There are a lot of newer deathrock bands emerging and there are a lot of clubs starting deathrock nights. I think a lot of people are getting sick of all of the synthpop that is being played.Two other DJs and I are going to try to start a monthly deathrock/goth/punk night here in DC. We are looking for a venue right now. I am DJing at a bondage club this friday and they really like the fact that I am playing the music that I am. Most of the people who like synthpop around here were not in the scene when deathrock was still being regularly played. I have had people ask me if deathrock is the same as black metal!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!! Those darn silly kids......
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Zed, what did you do in your birthday?
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For the 1st time in my adult life I worked on my birthday. That sucked! Now I remember why I've always taken the day off. A friend took me out to dinner but the weather was bad so I didn't end up doing anything else. Just a little shopping to spoil myself.
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Fields of the Nephilim, now that's an awesome band. They got back and did some tours, but they called off (sp?) the gig to Denmark last year or 2 years ago, very upsetting. Are they still playing or they splitted up again? just wondered
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They put out a new album last year 'Fallen', but Carl was the only Nephilim member on it. I never heard anything off it but I understand it was decent. Possibly a harder sound than the old stuff. Not sure though.
A couple years ago they compiled their 1st 2 EPs on a single disc called 'From Gehenna to Here' that was really good.
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If the dj sucks i always sing in my mind 'Panic' by Smiths:
"hang the dj , hand the dj, hang the dj...hang the dj" LOL
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LOL - I was just listening to that song on my way to work today! :)
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aww I'm sorry :-[
try to go out tommorrow (friday) or saturday to celebrate and makeup for the bad weather, uh?
i think it's a special thing, i dunno at least to me that I'm away from my whole family and friends (they're in Brazil) I really appreciated having a nice birthday. The weather been great overhere too, it's just like summer.
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For the 1st time in my adult life I worked on my birthday. That sucked! Now I remember why I've always taken the day off. A friend took me out to dinner but the weather was bad so I didn't end up doing anything else. Just a little shopping to spoil myself.
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Thanks, i wasn't aware about the new album or the EPs compilation. I wanna have the music videos, i should order from cdnow.com (i guess they sell it there, even in dvd).
I will try to download 'fallen' from kazaa or from mirc, might be interesting to listen, i remember i listened to Rubicon and it was so death metal, that scared me! i'm more into old FOTN!
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They put out a new album last year 'Fallen', but Carl was the only Nephilim member on it. I never heard anything off it but I understand it was decent. Possibly a harder sound than the old stuff. Not sure though.
A couple years ago they compiled their 1st 2 EPs on a single disc called 'From Gehenna to Here' that was really good.
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hehe you're kidding! it's my little jingle when the DJ is reaaaaaly bad. Actually there was a dj at a gig that played just rubbish and i was sick to death...all of sudden he played Panic, i was suddenly so Happy, finally he realized what i'd like to do to him, 'hang the dj!" LOL
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LOL - I was just listening to that song on my way to work today! :)
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Thanks, i wasn't aware about the new album or the EPs compilation. I wanna have the music videos, i should order from cdnow.com (i guess they sell it there, even in dvd).
I will try to download 'fallen' from kazaa or from mirc, might be interesting to listen, i remember i listened to Rubicon and it was so death metal, that scared me! i'm more into old FOTN!
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I never listened to Rubicon. I even forgot that the other members where involved in that effort.
Interesting.... I found this on the Fields of the Nephilim website.
THE NEPHILIM…A Statement
Many admirers of Fields of the
Nephilim/The Nefilim will be aware that
Jungle Records of Camden have put out
a single entitled 'From the Fire', and an
album named 'Fallen', under the
recording title 'Fields of the Nephilim'.
A few statements are necessary to make
the situation clear for fans of The
Nephilim worldwide.
Neither the single nor the album is
officially endorsed, or is being promoted
by the current band, which records under
the name The Nephilim, and has not
officially used the name Fields of the
Nephilim since 1991. It is not a name
that it wishes to use again for future
recordings, feeling that it
is best to move forwards than go
backwards.
The title 'Into the Fire', as well as the
track listing on 'Fallen' were allotted by
Jungle Records alone. None of the
names are official titles, although some
are early working titles. The Nephilim
played no part in deciding on the track
listing nor the material used, and was
not consulted on these matters. Those
tracks used are incomplete pieces or
early demos.
Additionally, The Nephilim was not
consulted on the artwork used on either
the single or album. It was not asked to
contribute artwork, and thus it was not
undertaken by Sheer Faith.
New material by The Nephilim is being
readied for release, and will be up to the
standards it wishes to set. This will be
tied in with new projects and live events.
Please be patient, and in the meantime
we extend a welcome to all fans, old and
new, to prepare for the countdown to
enter the inner realms of The Nephilim
On-line. Watch this space for further
details.
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now that was kinda odd. But didn't a member of the Nephilim worked with that album? really confusing. Let's try to see what will happen in the future. Thanks for the info!
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I never listened to Rubicon. I even forgot that the other members where involved in that effort.
Interesting.... I found this on the Fields of the Nephilim website.
THE NEPHILIM…A Statement
Many admirers of Fields of the
Nephilim/The Nefilim will be aware that
Jungle Records of Camden have put out
a single entitled 'From the Fire', and an
album named 'Fallen', under the
recording title 'Fields of the Nephilim'.
A few statements are necessary to make
the situation clear for fans of The
Nephilim worldwide.
Neither the single nor the album is
officially endorsed, or is being promoted
by the current band, which records under
the name The Nephilim, and has not
officially used the name Fields of the
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In my opinion there were no 80's Goth tunes seeing as this term Goth wasn't used to describe any type of music or group of people I am familiar with in the 80's....
Goth is a relatively new term for a group of people that have cultivated an old, dark and cool style from the 80's and most of the music played in those types of clubs was ahead of it's time and now todays so called Goth crowd can't get enough of it...I can blame them it's great stuff.
And sorry but if we look at goth people today and revert that crowd back to 80's club goers then The Smiths music is not only acceptable it along with The Cure is the most played, most important music of that whole scene.
Peace,
Loren
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In my opinion there were no 80's Goth tunes seeing as this term Goth wasn't used to describe any type of music or group of people I am familiar with in the 80's....
Goth is a relatively new term for a group of people that have cultivated an old, dark and cool style from the 80's and most of the music played in those types of clubs was ahead of it's time and now todays so called Goth crowd can't get enough of it...I can blame them it's great stuff.
And sorry but if we look at goth people today and revert that crowd back to 80's club goers then The Smiths music is not only acceptable it along with The Cure is the most played, most important music of that whole scene.
Peace,
Loren
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Sorry to tell ya but there was the term 'goth' in the 80's. I was and still am one of them. Actually I am a deathrocker which means that I like the more punk side of goth. The Cure are only important to the younger crowd, and their music is radio freindly goth pop. I personally can't stand them.I DJ and I NEVER play them.The Smiths weren't goth..they were a modern rock band. Modern rock meant a different thing back then than it does now.
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The Cure are only important to the younger crowd, and their music is radio freindly goth pop.
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I'd have to disagree with you here. I'd say The Cure are less important now than they were in the 80's.
Faith 1980, Seventeen Seconds, 1981 & Pornography 1982 were important albums in helping further define the goth sound. Though The Cure were never a goth band those 3 albums clearly fall into the goth genre. I don't know any younger Goths that really even know about those 3 albums but everybody I know 30 yrs old or older considers them seminal albums in the earlier days of the scene.
Of course there are clearly regional as well as personal influences on popularity. I've lived in different states and have found song by bands like The Smiths and The Cure are as ubiquitous as Sisters of Mercy at Goth clubs. In other places DJ's would never consider playing them. It’s can really be a matter of taste in some cases.
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With this I agree completely. The Smiths are not even remotely a goth band and have never recorded any goth songs. ‘How Soon is Now’ just happens to be popular in Goth clubs. But even it is in no way a goth song.
I’ve been to goth clubs that play ‘Pretty in Pink’ and god knows that’s pure new wave pop. The Psy Furs were a great band but slow/sad songs don’t make them any more Goth than the Smiths. And just because DJ’s play 1 track from them doesn’t mean they should play any others when working a goth club.
Then again the DJ can really do what the heck ever they want as far as I’m concerned, as long as they don’t suck.
Vampira - I wish I could hear you spin, I bet it would be a great experience.
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Sorry to tell ya but there was the term 'goth' in the 80's. I was and still am one of them. Actually I am a deathrocker which means that I like the more punk side of goth. The Cure are only important to the younger crowd, and their music is radio freindly goth pop. I personally can't stand them.I DJ and I NEVER play them.The Smiths weren't goth..they were a modern rock band. Modern rock meant a different thing back then than it does now.
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Well....let me take responsibility for my statements...from say '83 to 95 or so I lived in nightclubs...I hung around with club people....I was there when the goth look was born and the people who were listening to the same music split into two distinctive crowds one taking on the so called goth look and one taking a slightly more trendy appearance but the common factor was the music and it was all born from the mid to late 70's punk scene which was born from rock and roll which was born from the blues and so on and so on.
Being a club person totally into the music...TOTALLY into the music I visited as many different clubs as I possibly could to hear everything I possibly could and never in all those years did I hear the term goth. Not in Houston, not in Dallas, not in LA, San Diego, NY or Las vegas.
Now you may have cultivated a goth look back then and decided to keep that look until present and more power to you
but the term while quite trendy now was not used until the late 90's when goth re-emerged into the mainstream and it is mainstream now compared to then. People don't get pummled because of the way they dress today like then ala Ministry's "Halloween".
And Robert Smith did more to influence that whole style than anyone so pleaseeeeeeee.
"Shake dog shake" is not Goth???????????
Hmmmmmmm
Peace,
Loren
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I've followed all of this discussion with some interest but have never joined in until now.
I just had to reply to you though Loren. You may not have heard the term goth in the States until the late 90's but it is definitely from the 80's in Europe.
I left school in 1986 and was part of a crowd of goths at the school. This term was occasionally used as a term of abuse towards us but mainly just to define which crowd we were and where we hung out.
I would say that most of us listened to The Cure, Sisters of Mercy, The Damned, Alien Sex Fiend, Bauhaus etc. Some listened to the 'softer' stuff as well such as Cocteau Twins. I listened to a lot of punk music because one of my brothers was a big punk fan.
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I've followed all of this discussion with some interest but have never joined in until now.
I just had to reply to you though Loren. You may not have heard the term goth in the States until the late 90's but it is definitely from the 80's in Europe.
I left school in 1986 and was part of a crowd of goths at the school. This term was occasionally used as a term of abuse towards us but mainly just to define which crowd we were and where we hung out.
I would say that most of us listened to The Cure, Sisters of Mercy, The Damned, Alien Sex Fiend, Bauhaus etc. Some listened to the 'softer' stuff as well such as Cocteau Twins. I listened to a lot of punk music because one of my brothers was a big punk fan.
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Ok Karen.......It was a term used in Europe. I did not have the pleasure of checking out the music/cultural scene in Europe during that time.
I will revise what I said then and say that it was not a term used here in the States.
Now I don't claim to know everything although I'm pretty smart ( and handsome in a rugged yet boyish way) so I guess it's possible that during my immersion into the music scene and all the reading I have done about all things music that I may have missed something.
Since things 80's can be found on this site, I will ask anyone to show me anything from the States from the 80's that contains the word goth.....an album cover, a music review, a club flyer, a magazine article anything and being a man that can do so I will admit that I am wrong and thank that person for making me smarter. Anyone???????
Peace,
Loren
p.s. Do you have any of that old music you want to trade???
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Since things 80's can be found on this site, I will ask anyone to show me anything from the States from the 80's that contains the word goth.....an album cover, a music review, a club flyer, a magazine article anything
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That's an interesting challenge Loren! I think I'll take it...
Now that I think of it I do have to agree with you somewhat regarding the use of the term Goth in the US in the 80's. I have been a fan of the genre since the very early 80's and though I definitely heard the word used I really don't remember it being used regularly till 1988/89. Most of my exposure to the term was from materials that came from the UK, so even though they were available in the US, they were not generated here. So again that fits your criteria.
One source I can say for sure that I was exposed to from the US in the 80’s that used the term gothic was The Trouser Press Record Guide. http://www.trouserpress.com . The reviews of this New York City publication that used to appear in the individual issues of the Trouser Press magazines have been compiled into A-Z reference books. I have multiple editions of the book which where published throughout the 80’s. The same exact reviews from the hard copies are available online.
If you look up Bauhaus – obvious starting point – the online version (again, containing the exact same text as the hard copies which I own and purchased during the 80’s) contains the following opening comment:
“Though their career was over in a mere four years, Bauhaus are the acknowledged godfathers of gothic rock, following the art movement for which they were named in seeking to use minimalism as a powerful mood-setting tool.”
Anyhow…. from my experience the term was indeed used in the US just very, very rarely. And as I mentioned above, I did not find it used regularly until the later 80’s.
Thanks! - Zed
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I've followed all of this discussion with some interest but have never joined in until now.
I just had to reply to you though Loren. You may not have heard the term goth in the States until the late 90's but it is definitely from the 80's in Europe.
I left school in 1986 and was part of a crowd of goths at the school. This term was occasionally used as a term of abuse towards us but mainly just to define which crowd we were and where we hung out.
I would say that most of us listened to The Cure, Sisters of Mercy, The Damned, Alien Sex Fiend, Bauhaus etc. Some listened to the 'softer' stuff as well such as Cocteau Twins. I listened to a lot of punk music because one of my brothers was a big punk fan.
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the same in Brazil in the 80's. Maybe because the richer people/musicians that went to UK came back to Brazil with new records of the new 'wave' of music and the fashion. In Brazil it was/is called gótico (goth) and it has been a household term for the 'weird kids'. A lot of people called the goths there "DARK" (not darkers!) because of the clothes and the music! there were categories for each 'subculture', like 'new wave', "new romantic", punk, roqueiros (rockers), metaleiros (into heavymetal), electronicos (those that listened to synthpop and ebm, kraftwerk and front242 mainly) and so on. The whole music scene/80s fashion thing was so pop that there was even a know glitterhairgel product called "NEW WAVE!". I have loads of ADs from brazilian 80's magazines hehe!
If you listened to cure, bauhaus and siouxsie, people would certainly say you were goth/dark/gótico! also S&TB, Cure, played in Rock in Rio (HUGE festival) three times and all the gigs were packed. Late eighties though. Loads other bands played there, even cocteau twins were considered goth.
Smiths, Psychedelic furs, Pixies, Jesus & mary chains on the other hand were categorized by brazilian music press as British rock/britrock. The few times they mentioned deathrock was in underground zines featuring articles/reviews for Fields of the Nephilim, sex gang children, few other bands.
Heck sometimes even Nick Cave would be considered goth, mainly when he lived in Brazil, LOL
so... i'm not sure if this can add anything to this thread, but just wanted to share HEHE
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
I started getting into the scene in 1986 when I was 15. I am from the SF Bay Area originally and I totally remember the words goth and deathrocker being tossed around.
I have NEVER enjoyed The Cure. For me personally I always thought of them as a band that little depressed wannabe goth kids would listen to while trying to slit their wrists in the wrong direction. I was more into bands like Specimen,Virgin Prunes,and Bauhaus.
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That's an interesting challenge Loren! I think I'll take it...
Now that I think of it I do have to agree with you somewhat regarding the use of the term Goth in the US in the 80's. I have been a fan of the genre since the very early 80's and though I definitely heard the word used I really don't remember it being used regularly till 1988/89. Most of my exposure to the term was from materials that came from the UK, so even though they were available in the US, they were not generated here. So again that fits your criteria.
One source I can say for sure that I was exposed to from the US in the 80’s that used the term gothic was The Trouser Press Record Guide. http://www.trouserpress.com . The reviews of this New York City publication that used to appear in the individual issues of the Trouser Press magazines have been compiled into A-Z reference books. I have multiple editions of the book which where published throughout the 80’s. The same exact reviews from the hard copies are available online.
If you look up Bauhaus – obvious starting point – the online version (again, containing the exact same text as the hard copies which I own and purchased during the 80’s) contains the following opening comment:
“Though their career was over in a mere four years, Bauhaus are the acknowledged godfathers of gothic rock, following the art movement for which they were named in seeking to use minimalism as a powerful mood-setting tool.”
Anyhow…. from my experience the term was indeed used in the US just very, very rarely. And as I mentioned above, I did not find it used regularly until the later 80’s.
Thanks! - Zed
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Ok thats an interesting website let me read it a bit and see what we come up with.
Peace,
Loren
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
Well I looked at that website and I can see that it is going to be helpful in conjunction with AMG to help find artist, song, album information so thanks for the URL.
I read with interest the biography of Bauhaus and I did infact see where the article referred to them as the godfather of goth.
I believe you are close to making me wrong HOWEVER, I also believe you fell just short. The Bio as is very vague about the goth lifestyle. You can say the article spells it out clearly but I'm not so sure.
Before I give my arguement why, if anyone cares, lets see if anyone else submits anything of interest.
Heeheheh this is starting to get good. Anyone else care to weigh in?
Peace,
Loren
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I read with interest the biography of Bauhaus and I did infact see where the article referred to them as the godfather of goth.
I believe you are close to making me wrong HOWEVER, I also believe you fell just short. The Bio as is very vague about the goth lifestyle. You can say the article spells it out clearly but I'm not so sure.
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Absolutely true – there’s no comment whatsoever about goth lifestyle. Then again music and lifestyle are not necessarily one in the same. One can comment about the style of music and whether a recording is good or bad and not discuss lifestyle at all. 99% of music reviews discuss the elements of music and band members and do not comment on lifestlye at all. In fact I’d consider them related yet separate issues.
And…. You never asked for comments on lifestyle to be included. If you review your challenge as it’s quoted below, you ask for the word goth to be used in a music review from the 80’s. Which I have, without question, provided.
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Since things 80's can be found on this site, I will ask anyone to show me anything from the States from the 80's that contains the word goth.....an album cover, a music review, a club flyer, a magazine article anything and being a man that can do so I will admit that I am wrong and thank that person for making me smarter.
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Perhaps there are other sources out there, but having proved my point already, I’ll leave that to others. Though I’m confident it will not be easy since we are dealing with a proof system based solely in an electronic medium. And as I’ve already stated the term goth was indeed used in the 80’s just not widely in the US.
I would however like to see if anyone else would like to comment because it is a valid theme. Goth as a term just wasn’t used much in the US in the 80’s. I’m glad you brought it up Loren because it is food for thought and I for one do enjoy making people think!
Thanks again!
Zed
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
Well, without starting another debate so we can use our energy for something else I used the term lifestyle soley because of a documentray I saw on the goth crowd and each one (all claimed to be true goth's and not weekend poseurs)
stated that goth is so much more than just a club scene.
According to these goth folks, although this style started in the clubs around music, it is much more than that it is a whole lifestyle. The goth lifestyle is a broad term I used for all things goth.
Now then I will conclude this by saying this...Although I have never heard the term like I said, apparently it was being used assuming of course that you are all telling the truth (and since we are people of the 80's I know you all are :D ) so I have learned something that I didn't know and that is always a good thing....except that time I learned my exwife was seeing the milkman that wasnt a good thing to know in the short term.
Peace,
Loren
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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I used the term lifestyle soley because of a documentray I saw on the goth crowd and each one (all claimed to be true goth's and not weekend poseurs)
stated that goth is so much more than just a club scene.
According to these goth folks, although this style started in the clubs around music, it is much more than that it is a whole lifestyle. The goth lifestyle is a broad term I used for all things goth. End Quote
(I'm not in any way starting any disagreements here. These are my personal opinions and I accept anyone who disagrees with me. You have the right to your own opinion.)
That's all part of the, what is and what isn't goth debate and that debate has no merit whatsoever.
There is no such thing as a true goth. And anyone who suggests they are, takes themselves too seriously.
I'm 36 years old and for just over 20 years my primary source of musical pursuits have been within the goth genre. I have an immense collection of goth music, books, magazines, decorations etc. In the goth lifestyle I've "been there done that" but in the end none of it is important because......
According to many, since I don't dress in all black all the time I'm not a goth. Since I don't go to clubs and concerts anymore I'm not goth. Since I don't blah blah blah ... I'm not a goth...get the point?
I've been a huge fan of the world of goth but goths are some the most stuck up immature group I've ever encountered. The whole "Gother than Thou" thing is embarrassing and that is the main reason why I don't dress in all black all the time or go to the clubs. I don't have to prove anything to anybody.
The moment someone suggests they are goth and someone else isn't they betray their own arrogance and ignorance.
I'm a fan of most all things goth and I think most goths are really cool, interesting intelligent people. I just really hate "The Debate".
Sorry for going off here - this is not addressed to any of you out there at all and if I offend it is not my intention.
As Loren said
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I’m going to stop here and use my energy to make an ice cream sundae for breakfast. (didn’t think I was going there did you?)
Thanks ~ ~ ~ :) Zed
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
Ice cream is probably better than the cold Bud lite I am washing my Count Chocula down with.
Peace,
Loren
Subject: Re: Obscure 80's Goth Bands/Songs??
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(I'm not in any way starting any disagreements here. These are my personal opinions and I accept anyone who disagrees with me. You have the right to your own opinion.)
That's all part of the, what is and what isn't goth debate and that debate has no merit whatsoever.
There is no such thing as a true goth. And anyone who suggests they are, takes themselves too seriously.
I'm 36 years old and for just over 20 years my primary source of musical pursuits have been within the goth genre. I have an immense collection of goth music, books, magazines, decorations etc. In the goth lifestyle I've "been there done that" but in the end none of it is important because......
According to many, since I don't dress in all black all the time I'm not a goth. Since I don't go to clubs and concerts anymore I'm not goth. Since I don't blah blah blah ... I'm not a goth...get the point?
I've been a huge fan of the world of goth but goths are some the most stuck up immature group I've ever encountered. The whole "Gother than Thou" thing is embarrassing and that is the main reason why I don't dress in all black all the time or go to the clubs. I don't have to prove anything to anybody.
The moment someone suggests they are goth and someone else isn't they betray their own arrogance and ignorance.
I'm a fan of most all things goth and I think most goths are really cool, interesting intelligent people. I just really hate "The Debate".
Sorry for going off here - this is not addressed to any of you out there at all and if I offend it is not my intention.
As Loren said
I’m going to stop here and use my energy to make an ice cream sundae for breakfast. (didn’t think I was going there did you?)
Thanks ~ ~ ~ :) Zed
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I know what you are talking about. I dress sometimes punk/sometimes goth and people at the clubs that I go to are very confused with me. I have had people come up to me and say 'but you were dressed sooooo goth last week...what happened?'. It amuses me greatly. The funniest thing is the amount of ass kissing people have been doing to me lately just because I DJ. A lot of youngins' keep on saying how good the music I spin is but they don't ask who it is and they don't really care. A lot of people in the scene want to be DJs cause for some reason we are accorded a high status. I do it cause I love the music....not to be popular. This is the first time in my entire life that I have been considered cool and popular just because I press some buttons on a CD player...ACK!!!!