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Subject: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
I have been watching MTV and other music channels, and all I see is crap rock bands. In 15 years we have gone from the most exciting thing in music, to a bunch of mellow-dramatic bands that all sound like nickleback(or pearljam). Fashions suck, and all cartoons are on tv are those stupid pokemon and japanese things. They even brought He-man back to boost ratings because all their other shows suck sooo much. If you have anything to add.. . . feel free too.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Everything is still a big rerun of the late 90s. Usually by the time we are into the 4th year of a decade, aka 1983, 1993....we have firmly established that decade's identity.
But it is 2003 and everything is basically just like the late 90s. That.....is something I find odd.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Yeah.I agree with you.We have bands like Pearl Jam,Saliva,
Sum 41,System Of A Down but 20 years ago,people wouldn't
know what the hell you're talking about if you asked anybody in 1983 who those bands were.I liked the bands from 1983.Bands like Toto,Foreigner,The Bangles,etc...they ruled! :) :)
howard
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
The 2000's are better than the 90's in my opinion. I like Creed, Three Doors Down, Nickleback, Godsmack and Sevendust from the 2000's. I like th 80s the best because that was my childhood.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Right on dude.I agree with you.The music is boring the scene is dull and there is no real sparkle in the near future.My girlfriend tries giving me crap for not liking the new music.I have a huge collection of 80s tunes that I love listening to.There is also 70s 90s and a wee bit of 00s.But I always end up in the 80s.I did like quite abit that came out of the 90s but it faded towards the end of the decadeI feel that I am very open minded to new things.If the new things stink why pretend that they are good.I am not a follower and will go my own way with what I like.
The 80s still has the widest and most creative collection of music and personal sounds ever.Bands had there own identity and piece of the pie.What do we have now nothing but carbon copy bands or bands sampling the original stuff from the 70s 80s and 90s.
Yeah the 80s were a good time to be alive. 8)
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Well, the music scene has been going downhill since the rise of the Spice Girls, but if you ask me, 2002 has actually shown signs of getting better. Bad nu-metal seems to be finally on its way out, The Neptunes are helping to make even chart-pop listenable. Matchbox Twenty just released a song with some actual muscle behind it. Puddle of Mudd turn out, inexplicably, to have a good song. Dave Grohl is ubiquitous and a world is grateful. Overhyped critical darlings such as The Strokes, The Vines, the Queens of the Stone Age actually seem to be worthwhile. Worthless pop stars like Justin and Britney still around, yes, but at least they're not EVERYWHERE like they were in '99. It's not great, but it's moving in the right direction.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
To be honest, today's music SCARES the crap out of me. EXAMPLE: Eminem. What the HELL is that dude TEACHING our kids? That it is OKKKKK to beat the crap out of women? Sure...our parents probably thought the same about our music, but I don't even really remember telling me to stop singing "Every Breath You Take" by the Police!
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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To be honest, today's music SCARES the crap out of me. EXAMPLE: Eminem. What the HELL is that dude TEACHING our kids? That it is OKKKKK to beat the crap out of women? Sure...our parents probably thought the same about our music, but I don't even really remember telling me to stop singing "Every Breath You Take" by the Police!
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Remember the Tipper Gore led hearings in 1985? That's when they put the "Parental Advisory" label on certain albums. You cite a light fluffy song by the Police, but you neglect some of the more lyrically obscene stuff from the 80s.
Call me a cynic,----but every generation generally seems to despise the music of the one after them, and every generation generally laughs at the music of the one before them.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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To be honest, today's music SCARES the crap out of me. EXAMPLE: Eminem. What the HELL is that dude TEACHING our kids? That it is OKKKKK to beat the crap out of women? Sure...our parents probably thought the same about our music, but I don't even really remember telling me to stop singing "Every Breath You Take" by the Police!
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Then again, one train of thought is that it was a song about stalking..... ???
I agree with your sentiments though, M&M was much better when he was just a chocolate... ::)
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Not forgetting Avril Lasagne, Christian Uglyarea. This is what happens when people listen to the radio...
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Oh, I wouldn't say the 00's suck so much...
As in every decade there is some good music, and some bad. Some good telly and some bad. Some good film and some bad, etc., etc. I'm not in the habit of judging a given period of time by mere pop entertainment (it's easy to do that), but from personal experiences, good and bad.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Again, call me a cynic, but this kind of stuff is always said about every decade. I'm 27 years old. So 10 years ago in 1993 I was a 17 year old high school kid and a lot of people HATED what was being played on the radio back then.
i.e., Nirvana, Pearl Jam and the "grunge".
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Good music isn't getting recognition. There is this whole generation of teenybopper, MTV worshipping kids who are blindly accepting what is being offered to them. Seeing as how they are a big chunk of the market, the people who seek something different have to put up with that crap. hence I have not
a. Watched MTV or any other music channel like that for several months.
b. picked up Rolling Stone, Spin or anything other magazine like that for the same amount of time.
We are being told what to like, what is good and what is bad, and I am not putting up with it. there is good stuff coming out today, if you look for it. IMO, commercial music is at its lowest point ever, yes I am taking into account Britney Spears etc. from 99. At least they were flaunting an innocent type image. The pop stars now are flaunting the image of a cheap whore. ie. Christina Aguilera, Holly Valance etc.
Let me show you several reviews which illustrate how pathetic mainstream music has become - taken from a trusty source of all things pathetic, Rolling Stone:
Justin Timberlake - Justified ****
Believe it: Jusitn makes a bona-fide killer dance record.
Justin has risked so much, girl, to have your business. The teen-pop movement has been filing toward the cliff of adulthood; as we watch, each adorable entertainer either falls or makes it to the other side. Britney Spears completed the jump by a hair last year; but timberlake and producers the Neptunes (with Timbaland in a sidecar) have vaulted over the canyon. The Neptunes' brilliant, impertinent, full-body funk is, for the most part, what stays with you from Justified; their songs, spacious and shot through with ecstatic aaahs, outshine their neighbours on the album. In "like I love You", a nasty funk rhytm on loud, live drums shares the space with a tiny guitar strum and Timberlake's breathy, studied tenor. The album's lyrics invoke scenes of the tenderest understanding here, of full-on booty calls there. By most other measures, Timbaland's contributions (especially "Cry Me a River") are on a high level; in this context they're a bit dull and claustrophobic. Yes, the record's that good. Jusitn, you're a free man.
Now compare that review to this one of Chris Robinson's New Earth Mud (IMO best album of 2002) - if you haven't heard it, you should definitely listen to it. Anyway:
Chris Robinson - New Earth Mud **
On his first solo album, the Black Crowes frontman keeps thins light, wrapping his cigarettes and whiskey voice around pretty ballads such as "Silver Car" and 'Fables". But with too many half baked songs, he ultimately comes off like a generic amalgam of a bunch of 70s singer-songwriters.
And finally, the piece-de-resistance of contradictions in mainstream magazines, here it is (please note, I do not like the next CD, it just illustrates a point very well)
Robbie Williams - Escapology **
The richest man in music is still a prisoner of Planet Pop
Not many pop stars are willing to admit, "I'm here to make money and get laid," so top marks to Brit Robbie Williams, who comes clean during his fifth album, Escapology. But apart from the amped-up wallop of a few songs such as 'Monsoon' and the thrashy "song 3" (get it?), it's mainstream business-as-usual here, as full force ballads ("love somebody") mix it with flabby white-boy sould and fillers thats duller than daytime TV. And while some of his lyrics have a hint of Williams' signature smartarse-ishness, there's nothing thatt'll alienate the masses. Ignore the tatts and his dirty mouth; Williams is still trapped on Planet Pop.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Sure, there are advisories on CD's, but what about the stuff they still play on the radio???? Limp Bizkit's "Break Something"??? Granted, I love the tune, although I don't generally listen to anything like that.....I can just relate to the words...HOWEVER, I am also 30 years old. I am not 12 or 13 and vulnerable to what the world is teaching me. .
No..my mother NEVER liked the stuff we listened to as kids. But again...AC/DC's "Shook Me All Night Long" surely doesn't talk about doing harm to another individual or retaliating against cops, etc.
As far as Brittany Spears, etc. goes....well, I think the fad will go just as New Kids on the Block did for us back in the days. They are a kid band. Kids don't spend the money. Adults do. Cater to the adults.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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No..my mother NEVER liked the stuff we listened to as kids. But again...AC/DC's "Shook Me All Night Long" surely doesn't talk about doing harm to another individual or retaliating against cops, etc.
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The rap group NWA had a song called "F*CK Da Police!" on their Straight Outta Compton album from 1988. Rapper Ice-T also had a song called "Cop Killer" in 1991.
And I'm sure you know that Judas Priest was accused of adovcating suicide when some kid blew his brains out after listening to them back in 1985.
All I'm saying is that these kind of reactions to contemporary pop culture are nothing new. And people over the age of 23 or 24 disliking/hating the current music being played on the radio is certainly nothing new.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
But some of us or the little minority of us are 16 and 17. I pretty much only listen to 80's rock now. Because it got to a point that all it was on the radio was crap. I couldnt tell the difference between 4 or 5 different bands played in a row. But hopefully we are emerging into a brand new era of pop culture.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
I think music is changing with the times.Nowadays,I hear hard
rock,heavy metal,grunge.And then you hear Jennifer Lopez who sounds so 80's with her song"Jenny From The Block"and you hear"The Ketchup Song"which also sounds like a Menudo from the early 80's.So,I guess,music isn't changing yet,It's just trying to be a little bit more upbeat.
howard
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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Justin Timberlake - Justified ****
Robbie Williams - Escapology **
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Obviously Robbie's people didn't pay for as much advertising space as Justin's spin doctors.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
I fail to see how giving bad marks to Robbie Williams or a Chris Robinson solo album puts Rolling Stone's credibility in doubt.
Granted, Rolling Stone sucks. But I don't see the point you're trying to make.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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Good music isn't getting recognition. There is this whole generation of teenybopper, MTV worshipping kids who are blindly accepting what is being offered to them. Seeing as how they are a big chunk of the market, the people who seek something different have to put up with that crap. hence I have not
a. Watched MTV or any other music channel like that for several months.
b. picked up Rolling Stone, Spin or anything other magazine like that for the same amount of time.
We are being told what to like, what is good and what is bad, and I am not putting up with it. there is good stuff coming out today, if you look for it. IMO, commercial music is at its lowest point ever, yes I am taking into account Britney Spears etc. from 99. At least they were flaunting an innocent type image. The pop stars now are flaunting the image of a cheap whore. ie. Christina Aguilera, Holly Valance etc.
Britney Spears: Innonence? come on. She was on the cover of Rolling Stone nude 5 months into her career. She's a shock value artist at best. Music was so much worse in 99. At least bands like Queens of The Stone Age, Strokes, and Red Hot Chilli Peppers get airplay. Good dance music is starting to get airplay again. The 80's had its cheesey stuff like Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Stacey Q, and New Kids On The Block. The 80's had its good stuff too: Janet Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran Deff Leppard, Depeche Mode(they got better as time went on), Jody Watley, and Anita Baker. The 90's had its good stufff: STP, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Sublime, PM Dawn, SWV, 2Pac, En Vogue, and Bone Thugs N' Harmony. The 90's had its bad stuff: Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Spice Girls, Jessica Simpson, The Macerana, Hanson, and Britney Spears. The 00's has its good stuff: Queens of The Stone Age, The Strokes, Audioslave, System of A Down, Kylie Minogue(well I know she's 80's but she's had more hits in the 00's than she ever had in the 80's), Nas(well he's a 90's rapper but Made You Look, and One Mic are good tunes), Norah Jones, Aaliyah(before her death she had good songs like Try Again, and We Need a Resolution,) Some of the stuff seems to be 90's or 80's artist leftover. Somebody said it right were being forced what to listen too.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
If only Hagar went back to VH. : :'(
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
Well, i think that a decade has good has the 80's its impossible, but i also think that the 00's are being much better than the 90's!
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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Kylie Minogue(well I know she's 80's but she's had more hits in the 00's than she ever had in the 80's)End Quote
Only in the US. Kylie's been a consistent chart-topping artist in the UK since 1986.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
From 1979 to the mid 90s is the best period of music for me. Granted, there are good songs from every year after then, but its rare for me to get really excited about a track.
I was a kid in the time of the boy-band era, and it maybe terrible, but its had an influence on me. Everyone on this board hates Justin Timberlake. But I think he's great compared to other 'pop' artists. At least he has that litttle extra something which Britmoorejessicaaguilera, Atomic (we need to cover an 80s classic to achive a hit) Kitten, Robbie ( I think Im well 'ard, but my musics sh*t) Williams etc... I think Kylies cool as well because she was my childhood idol.
The 80s is still my favourite era. Give me The Smiths, The Jam, The Police and The Clash (and their late 70s stuff) any day. I'm also quite into a lot of the Brit-pop stuff from the 90s.
The 80s were innovative. The New Wave music was fantastic, even some of the cheesy-ness (Wham! et al) was at least good. I can't tolerate the so called 'cheesy/kitch/crap' songs of the late 90s and 00's (Ketchup Song, Who Let The Dogs Out et al). I'm not into the whole hair metal stuff, but I like some of the alternative bands which emerged, such as The Replcaments, early REM stuff and The Pixies.
Its expected that people will just slag off new music. I bet my kids will hate the stuff I listen to until they reach a certain age, much like I did. I admit it, I bought the Spice Girls first album in '96. I was 12, give me a break. At the same time, I was listening to Oasis and Blur. Not all hope was lost for me. And now I'm well and truely saved. I'm informed about music. There's no need to slag off every artist from the 00s. There is good music from EVERY year.
(Whoa - mini-essay there! Was on a bit of a roll! :))
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
I agree with that little mini-essay. If you go back far enough, and if your ears are open, you'll find something from the 1920's you'll like (Before that... well, I guess George M. Cohen had some hits, but I haven't dug back that far).
Maybe the reason today's music always seems to be so bad is that we're surrounded by all of it. After enough time has elapsed for a song to be a "Classic Oldie," we aren't inudated with the bad stuff all day, every day.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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I agree with that little mini-essay. If you go back far enough, and if your ears are open, you'll find something from the 1920's you'll like (Before that... well, I guess George M. Cohen had some hits, but I haven't dug back that far).
Maybe the reason today's music always seems to be so bad is that we're surrounded by all of it. After enough time has elapsed for a song to be a "Classic Oldie," we aren't inudated with the bad stuff all day, every day.
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Good point about time elapsing for stuff to be appreciated more. Hasn't anyone noticed how much respect those early-mid 90s grunge bands are getting now? People sing such high praises for Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and the like. Geez, it wasn't that long ago that it was 1994 and fans of grunge were thought to be as brain dead as Kurt Cobain. (no pun intended)
And I remember in the 80s, people thought Madonna was a whore that was a bad influence on the youth of America.
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
the 80s sucked. big gay hair and green/purple/red suits. hahahaha what were u guys thinking! cornballs
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Yeah.I agree with you.We have bands like Pearl Jam,Saliva,
Sum 41,System Of A Down but 20 years ago,people wouldn't
know what the hell you're talking about if you asked anybody in 1983 who those bands were.I liked the bands from 1983.Bands like Toto,Foreigner,The Bangles,etc...they ruled! :) :)
howard
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Not trying to be rude but that one is kind of a no brainer. Thats like saying "if you asked someone in 1810 what a car was they would have no idea what the hell you were talking about" well of course not because they werent around then! It doesnt mean anything is wrong with the music now...its just not the music of then. and while I have fond memories of the 80's I also am really glad we are where we are now!
Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
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Not forgetting Avril Lasagne, Christian Uglyarea. This is what happens when people listen to the radio...
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I personally like Avril Lavigne....think about it...little girls want to be like the "pop princesses" they want to be famous and pretty and the whole nine yards. I would MUCH rather my daughter listen to someone like Avril Lavigne, shes not singing about all the screwing shes going to do and doesnt dress slutty (or barely dress at all) In my opinion, she projects a strong positive image for young girls.
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Yeah, I'll happily give you that one... just think about the bill on clothes that Christina and Britney are wasting... and for what? I can't see it.
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I personally like Avril Lavigne....think about it...little girls want to be like the "pop princesses" they want to be famous and pretty and the whole nine yards. I would MUCH rather my daughter listen to someone like Avril Lavigne, shes not singing about all the screwing shes going to do and doesnt dress slutty (or barely dress at all) In my opinion, she projects a strong positive image for young girls.
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Subject: Re: Does Anyone else think the 00's suck royally?
The 00's don't suck...they're just different! I remember my folks goin' on and on about how wonderful the 50's were. What selective memories people have after the age of 30. In my rosy moments I can fool myself into saying the same crud about the 80's but I know it's a lie. We'll always insist our generation was better than the present because it makes us not feel quite so bad about being old and uncool. Yea or nay?
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The 00's don't suck...they're just different! I remember my folks goin' on and on about how wonderful the 50's were. What selective memories people have after the age of 30. In my rosy moments I can fool myself into saying the same crud about the 80's but I know it's a lie. We'll always insist our generation was better than the present because it makes us not feel quite so bad about being old and uncool. Yea or nay?
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I will just say that everyone has their own point of view, right?! ;)
;D :D :)
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I am in a band( House Of Red), and in response to the Nu Metal, i have called my style Nu Blues. We have a warm melodic Staind meets BB KING/Eric Clapton with a little bit of John Melancamp. E minors,warm leads,soft drums, an edgy voice, and deep lyrics have come together to create The Nu Blues.
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Ok,I was just thinking: ;D
compare-
Michael Jackson to Justin Timberlake
Madonna to Avril Lavinge
New Edition to B2K
howard
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I will just say that everyone has their own point of view, right?! ;)
;D :D :)
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Everyone has their own POV, but pretending like teenage kids in the 80s magically acted better then kids in the 90s or 00s is a lie and there are some that will never admit that is a lie. It's funny. I mean, who would have ever thought that all those ditzy Valley Girl types and Wha-t-ev-er Molly Ringwald personalities from the 80s would grow up into super sensative soccer moms?
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I think what really "sucks" about the 90s & 00s is the severe lack of veriety for what gets played on the music & video stations. In the 80s you could hear and see it all; Metal (Heavy Metal, Metal, Hair Metal, Melodic Rock), New Wave, Pop, Punk, Rap, and even stuff you couldn't quite categorize. It seemed that there was a station to cater to every trend.
But anymore it's rap, grunge and pop, they seem to get all the airplay. There are a lot of great Melodic Rock tunes that came out in the 90s till today (Gary Hughes, Millenium, Pink Cream 69, Danny Danzi, Emerald Rain, Damned Nation, Monkeyhead, Arti Tisi, Ten, and at least a dozen others that I'm familliar with) but big media (with the exception of Europe and Japan) continues to stonewall them. The only way you can hear these groups is to log on to a net station at MelodicRock.com or something like that. In a way it seems like a form of cultural sensorship on the part of the elites in the music industry.
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...teenage kids in the 80s magically acted better then kids in the 90s or 00s...End Quote
Well, maybe they didn't act any better or not much better, but they sure were busier with all of the extracurricular activities of the time and cool places like Skating Rinks, Video Arcades. There was also, in my opinion, better TV programming. Cool action-dramas, wholesome family-type shows, non-violent and no-profanity-allowed type shows were a fixture in the 1980's. But now....
There are no good examples on TV anymore-
That I can think of anyway. :-/
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Well, maybe they didn't act any better or not much better, but they sure were busier with all of the extracurricular activities of the time and cool places like Skating Rinks, Video Arcades. There was also, in my opinion, better TV programming. Cool action-dramas, wholesome family-type shows, non-violent and no-profanity-allowed type shows were a fixture in the 1980's. But now....
There are no good examples on TV anymore-
That I can think of anyway. :-/
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Im just curious as to whether or not you have children? Because kids nowadays ARE still busy...I grew up through 80's and 90's (born in 82) and I went to the skating rink, took gymnastics, went to all kinds of school activities, the mall, the movies, sporting events, and now my daughter is doing the same, i think its just that this generation is growing older faster. My daughter is 5 and she already likes the skating rinks, and video games, and playing pool and air hockey, etc....shes taken gymnastics and dance...I dont see how kids of the 80s were so much busier than kids are now....
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My daughter is 5 and she already likes the skating rinks, and video games, and playing pool and air hockey, etc....shes taken gymnastics and dance...I dont see how kids of the 80s were so much busier than kids are now....End Quote
Perhaps then, it has to do with economics. Many more people are poorer nowadays and can't afford to have their (older) kids in gymnastics and dance.
Thus, they end-up on the streets with nothing in particular to do with potential to get into or cause trouble.
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I have two kids and I think they're too busy sometimes. I didn't do anything as a kid because we were POOR so I can't compare to me. But I don't want to accuse these whippersnappers of being too busy--I just got done calling 'em lazy bastards in another conversation!
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In retrospect...
Kids in the 1980's went out to entertain themselves and play with friends. Aside from TV and Atari, their world was a bore.
Many more kids, nowadays, have everything they need right at home. A friend gave me a whole list of conveniences:
Why go to a movie when you have DVD? Why go to the arcade when you have a PS2? Why go experience anything when you can download it? Why go out with a friend when you can chat with 50 online?
So...
Why leave the house to "hang out"?
The potential for either getting into or causing trouble is high, in my old-fogie opinion.
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In retrospect...
Kids in the 1980's went out to entertain themselves and play with friends. Aside from TV and Atari, their world was a bore.
Many more kids, nowadays, have everything they need right at home. A friend gave me a whole list of conveniences:
Why go to a movie when you have DVD? Why go to the arcade when you have a PS2? Why go experience anything when you can download it? Why go out with a friend when you can chat with 50 online?
So...
Why leave the house to "hang out"?
The potential for either getting into or causing trouble is high, in my old-fogie opinion.
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But many of these same things were said about teenagers in the 80s.
Why go out to movie when you have these new fangled VCRs and laserdiscs? Why go to the arcade when you have either an Atari, Commodore 64, Nintendo or Sega available to you? And kids just hanging out at arcades or malls was something that adults despised in the 80s.
Granted the one about chatting on the world wide web is a new phenomenon, even through most of the 90s, the web wasn't that popular. Unless you were a computer whiz type ala Matthew Broderick, you probably weren't using the internet in the 80s.
And there were plenty of violent TV shows around in the 1980s:
The A-Team, 21 Jump Street, and Miami Vice were all blasted by crusty old parents groups for showing non-stop gratuitous violence. Some people look back on the A-Team and rewrite the show in their own preferred image to think that no one getting shot was the innocence of the 80s, but that was not the intention of creator Stephen J. Cannell. Cannell was satirizing violence on The A-Team. One of the biggest movies at the theaters in 1985 was "RAMBO"---not exactly a thinking man's artistic film.
Go ask a Baby Boomer that grew up in 1960s what they thought of the 1980's, I promise you that they will remember the decade very differently then someone who was a teenager/young adult back then.
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the 80s sucked. big gay hair and green/purple/red suits. hahahaha what were u guys thinking! cornballs
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i suppose potty-mouthed guys in hooded sweats and baggy track pants waving their arms about like they have muscular dystrophy and saying "yo yo yo" over and over again like it means something is far better. ;)
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Good Point
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Perhaps then, it has to do with economics. Many more people are poorer nowadays and can't afford to have their (older) kids in gymnastics and dance.
Thus, they end-up on the streets with nothing in particular to do with potential to get into or cause trouble.
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yeah, I can definitely see that. My daughter is still very young. So I pray to God that she doesnt get herself into too much trouble as she gets older...Cause heres the truth of it...I was born in 82. My parents seperated when I was 11 and my mom didnt make nearly what my dad did when he lived at home, PLUS I had MUCH MUCH LESS supervision. So, at 11 I began smoking, 12 drinking, 13 getting high, 14 having sex, and by 15 I was a momma. Fortunately I did not become a statistic. Instead of letting "teenage pregnancy" drag me down. I worked harder. I study and got my GED and went after what I wanted. I now work as a receptionist at one of the most prestigious law firms in the country. Former congressman Ed Bryant just joined our firm last week. I make very good money for what I do and am well respected in my work place. I support myself AND my daughter with very little help from her father. I am nowhere near to being rich but I make sure that there are things for my daughter to be doing that are good for her and help her mental and intellectual as well as social growth. I dont want history to repeat itself with her....Though I would NOT recommend that ANY teenager get pregnant I will say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me!
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Good job, you have a right to very proud of yourself and your accomplishments. :)
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yeah, I can definitely see that. My daughter is still very young. So I pray to God that she doesnt get herself into too much trouble as she gets older...Cause heres the truth of it...I was born in 82. My parents seperated when I was 11 and my mom didnt make nearly what my dad did when he lived at home, PLUS I had MUCH MUCH LESS supervision. So, at 11 I began smoking, 12 drinking, 13 getting high, 14 having sex, and by 15 I was a momma. Fortunately I did not become a statistic. Instead of letting "teenage pregnancy" drag me down. I worked harder. I study and got my GED and went after what I wanted. I now work as a receptionist at one of the most prestigious law firms in the country. Former congressman Ed Bryant just joined our firm last week. I make very good money for what I do and am well respected in my work place. I support myself AND my daughter with very little help from her father. I am nowhere near to being rich but I make sure that there are things for my daughter to be doing that are good for her and help her mental and intellectual as well as social growth. I dont want history to repeat itself with her....Though I would NOT recommend that ANY teenager get pregnant I will say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me!
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Perhaps then, it has to do with economics. Many more people are poorer nowadays and can't afford to have their (older) kids in gymnastics and dance.
Thus, they end-up on the streets with nothing in particular to do with potential to get into or cause trouble.
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Hair, I think it also has to do with being jaded. I mean, we thought in the 80's that we were jaded, but there are some people in this generation coming up....well let's just say that (NOT all) but most of the teens I have been around don't seem to get excited or care about much of anything. Maybe it is because they have so much more conveniences than we did (oh, man, I did NOT just say that lol). Maybe it is different parenting methods. Who knows? And to the wit who calls himself Eminem in this thread...go be a troll somewhere else. Please. I happen to miss and love our "big gay hair" at least it was some kind of fashion statement! Hmmpph. ;D
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yeah, I can definitely see that. My daughter is still very young. So I pray to God that she doesnt get herself into too much trouble as she gets older...Cause heres the truth of it...I was born in 82. My parents seperated when I was 11 and my mom didnt make nearly what my dad did when he lived at home, PLUS I had MUCH MUCH LESS supervision. So, at 11 I began smoking, 12 drinking, 13 getting high, 14 having sex, and by 15 I was a momma. Fortunately I did not become a statistic. Instead of letting "teenage pregnancy" drag me down. I worked harder. I study and got my GED and went after what I wanted. I now work as a receptionist at one of the most prestigious law firms in the country. Former congressman Ed Bryant just joined our firm last week. I make very good money for what I do and am well respected in my work place. I support myself AND my daughter with very little help from her father. I am nowhere near to being rich but I make sure that there are things for my daughter to be doing that are good for her and help her mental and intellectual as well as social growth. I dont want history to repeat itself with her....Though I would NOT recommend that ANY teenager get pregnant I will say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me!End Quote
Good for you! :) You do deserve recognition for your strength and triumph over adversity.
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I will give current fashion this: to just be able to slap your hair back in a pony-tail and go takes an ounce of self-confidence. There is no hiding under a ton of hair and a ton of make-up. So in a way kids these days get some respect from me.
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Thank you guys (or gals). I just feel lucky to have done as well as I have because I know a lot of people arent that lucky. I had very supportive parents. I cant emphasize enough, how much my parents helped me, not by taking care of my kid for me or giving me money or anything like that...but continuing to push me....a lot of people said I ruined my life but I think I am doing much better than most of them expected. All the "friends" who criticized me are still living at home with their parents and working crappy jobs....anyways....The greatest accomplishment though is my daughter...shes the most awesome kid you could ever hope for....If I knew how to post pictures I put one of her on here....
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What does an aircraft carrier have in common with a canoe? Let's see. They both float in water, can carry people, have been used in wars, and sway with the movement of the waters upon which they float.
In the same way, the 00s compare with the previous decades. But as with the similiarities between the two water-bound vessels, here the similiarities end. You don't have to look too hard to see there is more than a subtle difference between the two vessels.
I've seen some very good points raised on this topic, about our music and our culture. Yes, every generation has some kind of issue with the music of the previous, and the upcoming generation. I specifically remember being told in the 70s that I was going to hell if I listened to rock music. In the 80s, I was playing "stairway to heaven" backwards to see if backward masking was really real.
What I really see as different in this decade, and the last few years of the 90s for that matter, is this growing trend of disrespect for life. All life. Now I'm not going to get into abortion, animal rights and all that kind of ridiculous debate. But I have sensed a "homicidal" and angry tone in today's culture. I don't dislike rap music because it's rap. I dislike the arrogant, angry tone, and the lyrics (if that's what you call it). It's really hard to put my finger on it. But according to today's music, it's "ok" to "bust a cap" in someone because they "dissed" you. It's not the same as "dirty deeds, done dirt cheap" by AC/DC.
More than in the 80s, women are paraded around as food. Brittany Spears, and all those little "chickies" like her, are sending a message that it's ok to view women as a food source. Today's music and media send a message that women are a consumable item. You chew them like gum until the flavor runs out, then you go get another piece of gum. Her usefulness ends when her legs close. What does a man's undisciplined mind do with today's message of women? He doesn't care what she thinks, if she likes him, if she finds him attractive. All he cares about is will she consent...and consent need only be implied. In nearly all cases, today's male would prefer if women could be ordered out of a victoria's secret catalogue, then returned after 30 days for a full refund. It's disrespectful, distasteful, and devalues the sanctity of human life.
As I read this, this is nothing new. But it seems that today there are no limits, no boundaries. The 00s to me, so far, are a decade about what happens to a society where everyone gets to have their own way with no consequences for their actions.
I guess I'm not really making any sense or saying anything different, but someone out there knows what I'm talking about :). There's just a different "smell" in the air. It's the best way I can describe it.
Dave
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Welome aboard Dave, be it carrier or canoe. Good points made and I have to agree that the boudaries are pushed to what I hope is the extremes. Are culture often seems a bit like a rubber band, it stretched to a wide point then snaps back, the only problem is every time it's stretched it loosens enough where it stretched further the next time. My case in point- The late 70s with Disco and Cocaine was a period when culture seemed to go to a bit of an extreme and I think the early 80's sent us back to a simpler time in a lot of ways. The late 80's with the big hair, heavy makeup and leather pants stretched us once again, and once again I think the early 90s brought us back. We are close to the point of snapping the band today with "reality TV", Jack**s movies, violent and vulger music, and Brittany and Christina types. I hope that the band is soon released and gives our world a bit of a cleansing shake. I don't know if it's coming anytime soon, I did see it in the early 90s, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, release of Nelson Mandella and ending of Aparthied, Grunge music and high hopes of a newly elected President. What a dissapointment the latter 90's brought.
Good luck to us all.
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Those " The Bands" ( The Strokes, The Hives, The White Stripes) are getting on my nerves. The Vines are good though...
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What does an aircraft carrier have in common with a canoe? Let's see. They both float in water, can carry people, have been used in wars, and sway with the movement of the waters upon which they float.
In the same way, the 00s compare with the previous decades. But as with the similiarities between the two water-bound vessels, here the similiarities end. You don't have to look too hard to see there is more than a subtle difference between the two vessels.
I've seen some very good points raised on this topic, about our music and our culture. Yes, every generation has some kind of issue with the music of the previous, and the upcoming generation. I specifically remember being told in the 70s that I was going to hell if I listened to rock music. In the 80s, I was playing "stairway to heaven" backwards to see if backward masking was really real.
What I really see as different in this decade, and the last few years of the 90s for that matter, is this growing trend of disrespect for life. All life. Now I'm not going to get into abortion, animal rights and all that kind of ridiculous debate. But I have sensed a "homicidal" and angry tone in today's culture. I don't dislike rap music because it's rap. I dislike the arrogant, angry tone, and the lyrics (if that's what you call it). It's really hard to put my finger on it. But according to today's music, it's "ok" to "bust a cap" in someone because they "dissed" you. It's not the same as "dirty deeds, done dirt cheap" by AC/DC.
More than in the 80s, women are paraded around as food. Brittany Spears, and all those little "chickies" like her, are sending a message that it's ok to view women as a food source. Today's music and media send a message that women are a consumable item. You chew them like gum until the flavor runs out, then you go get another piece of gum. Her usefulness ends when her legs close. What does a man's undisciplined mind do with today's message of women? He doesn't care what she thinks, if she likes him, if she finds him attractive. All he cares about is will she consent...and consent need only be implied. In nearly all cases, today's male would prefer if women could be ordered out of a victoria's secret catalogue, then returned after 30 days for a full refund. It's disrespectful, distasteful, and devalues the sanctity of human life.
As I read this, this is nothing new. But it seems that today there are no limits, no boundaries. The 00s to me, so far, are a decade about what happens to a society where everyone gets to have their own way with no consequences for their actions.
I guess I'm not really making any sense or saying anything different, but someone out there knows what I'm talking about :). There's just a different "smell" in the air. It's the best way I can describe it.
Dave
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Well, I wont get into this all completely..I will touch lightly on the abortion thing though...I was reading in the paper the other day that abortion rates are the lowest they have been in like twenty something years.
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Okay, Ive got short hair now, got two jobs,pay child supt.,shop smart,speak spanish,listen to alternative at work, but am i happy? Fuck no,Every so often ive gotta jump in the tire fryer, cranck up the metal,and let the"bout time for a haircut" fly while burnin on the local reefer,or I'll nut up and think that im supposed to be the way the world is now.Im a child of the 80's, born in march of 70' so I know the way life is supposed to be. 00 sucks!!!
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Okay, Ive got short hair now, got two jobs,pay child supt.,shop smart,speak spanish,listen to alternative at work, but am i happy? Fuck no,Every so often ive gotta jump in the tire fryer, cranck up the metal,and let the"bout time for a haircut" fly while burnin on the local reefer,or I'll nut up and think that im supposed to be the way the world is now.Im a child of the 80's, born in march of 70' so I know the way life is supposed to be. 00 sucks!!!
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But you cant blame the fact that you arent happy on that fact that its the 00's. Honestly, its has more to do with the fact that you are an adult now and have responsibilities. Its not that the 80s were so much better, its that you were young and carefree then, of course that is going to sound more appealing to you.
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yeah, I can definitely see that. My daughter is still very young. So I pray to God that she doesnt get herself into too much trouble as she gets older...Cause heres the truth of it...I was born in 82. My parents seperated when I was 11 and my mom didnt make nearly what my dad did when he lived at home, PLUS I had MUCH MUCH LESS supervision. So, at 11 I began smoking, 12 drinking, 13 getting high, 14 having sex, and by 15 I was a momma. Fortunately I did not become a statistic. Instead of letting "teenage pregnancy" drag me down. I worked harder. I study and got my GED and went after what I wanted. I now work as a receptionist at one of the most prestigious law firms in the country. Former congressman Ed Bryant just joined our firm last week. I make very good money for what I do and am well respected in my work place. I support myself AND my daughter with very little help from her father. I am nowhere near to being rich but I make sure that there are things for my daughter to be doing that are good for her and help her mental and intellectual as well as social growth. I dont want history to repeat itself with her....Though I would NOT recommend that ANY teenager get pregnant I will say that it was the best thing that ever happened to me!
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BTW, Amanda...You Rock! Kudos to you for defying statistics, and what society condones as perfectly legitimate and acceptable.
Dave
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Thank you Dave! :)
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The 00's don't suck...they're just different! I remember my folks goin' on and on about how wonderful the 50's were. What selective memories people have after the age of 30. In my rosy moments I can fool myself into saying the same crud about the 80's but I know it's a lie. We'll always insist our generation was better than the present because it makes us not feel quite so bad about being old and uncool. Yea or nay?
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Yea!
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I think the most depressing thing about the '00's is the fact that the price of the average new car has gone up almost 300% in the last 20 years.
I bought a new Toyota 4x4 in '81 for $9100. Now your bottom of the line Tacoma 4x4 is almost $30,000.
And it's the same with all the other auto makers. I went to a car show last weekend and the new Chevy Suburban was $58,000. I paid $45,000 for my first house in '92. It was a 3 bedroom with a full basement.
They come on the news and say that the cost of living is going up at 3% or 4% a year. But the cost of a new car is going up about 15% a year.
But, then again I'm making twice what I was in '81. But cars cost three times as much. So do houses. So does food. So do clothes. So does a college education. So does entertainment. In fact a CD now costs about four times as much as a cassette did back in '81.
My purchasing power is about 60 to 70% of what it was back in '81. I wish I had known how good off I was then so I could have enjoyed it.
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Cars are expensive Eli but there is some legit reason to it. Two big ones is the higher safety standards and emission contols. Did you know that you new vehicle emits about 5% of the gasses you '81 Toyota did? One of the big problems is that Toyota had the cool trucks back then, they were in their own class, Toyota hasn't done well setting the standards latley, they make good engines and drive trains but so do a lot of other makers. Thier lineup is pretty boring.
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I think the most depressing thing about the '00's is the fact that the price of the average new car has gone up almost 300% in the last 20 years.
I bought a new Toyota 4x4 in '81 for $9100. Now your bottom of the line Tacoma 4x4 is almost $30,000.
And it's the same with all the other auto makers. I went to a car show last weekend and the new Chevy Suburban was $58,000. I paid $45,000 for my first house in '92. It was a 3 bedroom with a full basement.
They come on the news and say that the cost of living is going up at 3% or 4% a year. But the cost of a new car is going up about 15% a year.
But, then again I'm making twice what I was in '81. But cars cost three times as much. So do houses. So does food. So do clothes. So does a college education. So does entertainment. In fact a CD now costs about four times as much as a cassette did back in '81.
My purchasing power is about 60 to 70% of what it was back in '81. I wish I had known how good off I was then so I could have enjoyed it.
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Toyota hasn't done well setting the standards latley, they make good engines and drive trains but so do a lot of other makers. Thier lineup is pretty boring.
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Toyota's line-up is half cool and then half-boring. They have the Rav 4, MR2 Spyder and Celica which are not boring. I agree the Camry and Avalon are snoozers. Last generation 4 Runner was beautiful and then they ruined the 2003 model style-wise. They will never take a bold chace on the Camry style-wise(look what Ford in 1996 with the Tarus and that bombed badly.) If you're looking to make a statement on styling Mazda does that well lately. Look at the 6 , RX-8, and Protege 5. Nobody matches Mazda's line-up and I mean nobody.
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Toyota's line-up is half cool and then half-boring. They have the Rav 4, MR2 Spyder and Celica which are not boring. I agree the Camry and Avalon are snoozers. Last generation 4 Runner was beautiful and then they ruined the 2003 model style-wise. They will never take a bold chace on the Camry style-wise(look what Ford in 1996 with the Tarus and that bombed badly.) If you're looking to make a statement on styling Mazda does that well lately. Look at the 6 , RX-8, and Protege 5. Nobody matches Mazda's line-up and I mean nobody.
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The Camry is a boring car, but the one I have is the best car I've ever owned. I've had it for 4 and a half years now and never had a problem with it. Fuel economy is amazing, and it never breaks down.
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I don't care for the MR2, Rav, and Celica models, to me they look like they were disigned by Pontiac, lines are to busy. The rest are boring, that Tacoma truck- :P
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Toyota's line-up is half cool and then half-boring. They have the Rav 4, MR2 Spyder and Celica which are not boring. I agree the Camry and Avalon are snoozers. Last generation 4 Runner was beautiful and then they ruined the 2003 model style-wise. They will never take a bold chace on the Camry style-wise(look what Ford in 1996 with the Tarus and that bombed badly.) If you're looking to make a statement on styling Mazda does that well lately. Look at the 6 , RX-8, and Protege 5. Nobody matches Mazda's line-up and I mean nobody.
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I think what really "sucks" about the 90s & 00s is the severe lack of veriety for what gets played on the music & video stations. In the 80s you could hear and see it all; Metal (Heavy Metal, Metal, Hair Metal, Melodic Rock), New Wave, Pop, Punk, Rap, and even stuff you couldn't quite categorize. It seemed that there was a station to cater to every trend.
But anymore it's rap, grunge and pop, they seem to get all the airplay. There are a lot of great Melodic Rock tunes that came out in the 90s till today (Gary Hughes, Millenium, Pink Cream 69, Danny Danzi, Emerald Rain, Damned Nation, Monkeyhead, Arti Tisi, Ten, and at least a dozen others that I'm familliar with) but big media (with the exception of Europe and Japan) continues to stonewall them. The only way you can hear these groups is to log on to a net station at MelodicRock.com or something like that. In a way it seems like a form of cultural sensorship on the part of the elites in the music industry.
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You did NOT hear punk on the radio in the 80's.
On the other hand, you did hear punk on the radio in the 90's, along with rap, pop, and grunge, and also alternative, metal, r&b, nu-soul, power pop, techno (briefly), not to mention a few others you seem to have wiped from your memory.
God, I hate these threads. If you want to live in the past, be my guest, but don't complain that the present isn't enough like the year you came of age in. Things change. Deal.
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You did NOT hear punk on the radio in the 80's.
On the other hand, you did hear punk on the radio in the 90's, along with rap, pop, and grunge, and also alternative, metal, r&b, nu-soul, power pop, techno (briefly), not to mention a few others you seem to have wiped from your memory.
God, I hate these threads. If you want to live in the past, be my guest, but don't complain that the present isn't enough like the year you came of age in. Things change. Deal.
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Hey, that's enough Kenny.
People can and should be able to express their opinions without having you jumping all over them with negative and rude commentary.
The post to which you replied was not a personal post but a general opinion on the decades to which the person had every right to express.
You, on the other hand, got negatively personal and that will not be tolerated.
If you do not agree with a post, direct your opinions on the issue, NOT the person.
No more of this You did NOT, etc.
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The 00s might not be the 80's or the 70's (the two best decades imho), but it's a hell of a lot better than the 90's.
I think it was 2002 that the 00s started to have it's own identity, just like 1982 got rid of most of the 70's.
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My Name Is Kenny does have some points, the 80's are really no different from the 90's, or no different from the 70's if you look at it from a general viewpoint.
They both had their ups and down, they both had different varieties when it comes to music (he's right, punk was pretty much dead in the early 80's, the clash were no longer really punk), they both had bad clothing (tacky bright 80s compared to bland boring 90s), they both had different views of life and society (in the 80's, it was usually "don't worry, be happy", while in the 90's is "don't hope for the best, just expect the worse", neither viewpoints are totally correct).
The reason I like the 80's is because the music to me is better, there was more optimism in it. The decade was more style oriented, especially in the early 80's, with the westcoast pop style (my fav). There are a few things I do like the 90's for: the haircuts, technology, Bill Clinton(was a better president than Reagan imho), techno/rave/trance, dancehall reggae).
However I felt that the 90's culture didn't fit me and vica versa, but I felt that the 80's culture suited me better. So in reality there really is not decade better than the other on, it's really how a certain decade's culture suits you. Which culture is better is very subjective.
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Yah...today's music sucks pretty bad. I'm only 14, so all my friends listen to that crap..but i listen to 80's music.
But there are still pretty good bands out there.. the hives, the strokes, the white stripes , the vines. Right now, I think all genres of music have been contamenated. rap, pop, "punk"
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I think what really "sucks" about the 90s & 00s is the severe lack of veriety for what gets played on the music & video stations. In the 80s you could hear and see it all; Metal (Heavy Metal, Metal, Hair Metal, Melodic Rock), New Wave, Pop, Punk, Rap, and even stuff you couldn't quite categorize. It seemed that there was a station to cater to every trend.
But anymore it's rap, grunge and pop, they seem to get all the airplay. There are a lot of great Melodic Rock tunes that came out in the 90s till today (Gary Hughes, Millenium, Pink Cream 69, Danny Danzi, Emerald Rain, Damned Nation, Monkeyhead, Arti Tisi, Ten, and at least a dozen others that I'm familliar with) but big media (with the exception of Europe and Japan) continues to stonewall them. The only way you can hear these groups is to log on to a net station at MelodicRock.com or something like that. In a way it seems like a form of cultural sensorship on the part of the elites in the music industry.
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Hes got a point, I can listin to any type of station for an hour and expect to hear the same song at least twice. But a lot of the punk that is considered punk these says is literally just try hard surfer wannabe's from like Minnisota(not knocking on Minnisota for any reasons) But that is a particular beef i have with these years. Plus rumor says that gas prices are rising to a freaking $ a litre this summer.
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oh i hate this generation!! WITH A PASSION >:( its sad because this is supposed to be my generation too! (i'm 16)...well...i disowned it! :P *pulls out her motley crue shirt and aquanet!* ;D
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When I see two posters on this board that hate their generation its kind of sad but I do think it I'll get better. You guys weathered the storm with teen-pop so thats been over for awhile now. Now you guys just have to weather thae reality craze. It'll be interesting to see what the second half of this decade brings.