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Subject: NORTH AMERICA OR EUROPE ?
I don't know why this popped into my head but I'll throw this at you fine folks.Which do you feel influenced the 80s the most as far as we know it(music,fashion,attitude etc.)North America or Europe? :-/
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I have to say during the 80's..it was Europe..I know that there were many people from the states that made a big impact..but that 80's rush from Europe made all the difference!!!
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I'd say it was 50/50 in so far as to say that the Europeans were definitely the influence on New Wave and synth music but it was definitely the American Big Hair bands that were the influence in hard rock...
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I'd say it was 50/50 in so far as to say that the Europeans were definitely the influence on New Wave and synth music but it was definitely the American Big Hair bands that were the influence in hard rock...
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Yes I'd have to agree with you there. Britain had a major impact on the 'new wave' front, where as all the 'hair metal' generally originated from the States. I'd have to say though a mixture of the alternative 80's groups came from both places.
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I would have to say Europe too.They've had a good hold on "molding" the music scene since Jimi Hendrix :)
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;D Jonman took the words right out of my mouth. ;D
Tim RATT-n-ROLL
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I'd say it's probably both, too. ;D
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I'd say it was 50/50 in so far as to say that the Europeans were definitely the influence on New Wave and synth music but it was definitely the American Big Hair bands that were the influence in hard rock...
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Sounds good.
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Yes I'd have to agree with you there. Britain had a major impact on the 'new wave' front, where as all the 'hair metal' generally originated from the States. I'd have to say though a mixture of the alternative 80's groups came from both places.
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Yup... I agree completely. I believe the Brit new wave synth sound was more early 80's and the 'hair metal' came later in the decade.
Good topic. :-)
Buzz
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where as all the 'hair metal' generally originated from the States.
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That's not entirely true. A lot of 80's metal was influenced by European bands such as Deep Purple and Iron Maiden.
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hello! i think that it was north america that most influenced the 80s, in all terms, music, fashion, attitude... im european but i really think that the u.s.a are the big influence.
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Well, Britain had Di, and we had Madonna. Didn't punk start in Europe, tho? I'd say it depends on what specific genres you're looking at, because, believe it or not, there was quite a bit of diversity in the 80's.
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It's gotta be Europe. No doubt about it...but the biggest people who influenced the culture came from America...Madonna, Michael Jackson, etc. But as a whole, I would say Europe.
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I'd say it's probably both, too. ;D
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Yep...I will have to agree with it.
Both continents' artists have had an influence on all those things that were circulated in the world of music.
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true, and most certainly with people like Tatcher, styles like New Wave and Punk
though at the end of the eighties I wouldn't want to underestimate the influence of L.A. hiphop, Detroit Techno or Chicago House growing bigger and bigger ...
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Well, Britain had Di, and we had Madonna. Didn't punk start in Europe, tho? I'd say it depends on what specific genres you're looking at, because, believe it or not, there was quite a bit of diversity in the 80's.
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Punk actually started in the States, but like everything else was moulded and perfected by the UK, thanks to Malcolm McClaren and The Sex Pistols. Punk was first made into a fashion statement and a culture with music to go along with it. And the whole idea was that anyone could do it! It's not like nowadays where you have accomplished musicians playing so-called "punk rock."
But getting back on topic: I think Europe and the UK dominated the 80's. That's certainly what I was listening to back then. I didn't listen to much American music, and still don't. England and Europe influenced fashion and music. A lot of it didn't really catch onto the "North American market," I don't think, but I believe certainly when a lot of people (myself included) think of the 80's, they think of synthpop and androgynous looks. :)
Absolutely Vile
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Depends on your definition of 'punk' really. :-/
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I'd have to say America if for one reason only.
MTV
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I would have to say the USA and Europe influenced each other. Punk for instance, was derived from 60's american garage bands, which was refined by the Ramones (and the CBGB bands in NYC), which influenced the brit punk bands, which in turn influenced the more recent american "punk" bands (actually the ones from europe now strike me as more authentic). For the 80's it seemed the dominant music scenes were LA, NYC, and London. In the 90's it was Seattle, and now it seems to be Detroit (who's scene also had a major influence on punk with groups like Iggy & the Stooges), with a good scene emerging from the Scandinavian parts of Europe.
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I would say that it's probably a mix. In the early days of MTV, we were turned on to a lot of European bands that we never heard of. It was like the second British Invasion. But the fashions and other trends were definitely American. More of the mainstream stuff was American too (Michael Jackson, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, etc.). The hair bands were primarily American too.
Someone else mentioned that "with the exception of Hendrix most of our influences have been British." That couldn't be further from the truth. Rock and roll got it's start in the US. It was completely dominated the first decade by Americans. The Beatles, Stones, Kinks, The Who, etc. came over in the early to mid 60s. But the late 60s and all of the 70s with the exception of maybe Led Zepplin and a couple others was very much American. From the hippie-era of Woodstock, clear up to the disco era it was primarily American. As the late 70s hit and punk became popular, it was kind of a mix of the U.S. and the U.K. The U.S. had The Ramones and New York Dolls. The UK gave us Sex Pistols and The Clash.
I discussed the 80s above. In the 90s and into the new millenium, rap, hip hop, boy bands, and the whole grunge/alternative scene have been primarily from the U.S. Personally, I would rather have the 80s back, but that's how the pendulum swings.
One other thing: Why in the world did I waste my time writing this thing? :-/