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Subject: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
I should state that this link pertains to the Album version of a song vs. the released single version of a song that was remixed.
For example, Def Leppards "Rocket"
To me the single SUCKS, they took out guitar rifts from the album and replaced them with keyboard sounds
However I do know that some songs have been jazzed up by the mix and sound better! Paula Abdul's Cold Hearted was actually better than the album cut so I ran out and purchased the single.
What song remixed did you like or dislike as compared to the album cut?
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The songs on Billy Idol's album Vital Idol were remixes and extended mixes which I really didn't care for. I think it must have been done mainly for dj's to play in dance clubs, and yet it was a "greatest hits" album. Those songs sounded much better in their original versions! :(
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As a rule, I don't like remixes. The one that really got on my nerves was Alphavilles "Forever Young". It is a slow song...I love that version...then they come out with a dance mix. Then, that is all the radio would play. It is still a rarity when they play the slower version.
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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As a rule, I don't like remixes. The one that really got on my nerves was Alphavilles "Forever Young". It is a slow song...I love that version...then they come out with a dance mix. Then, that is all the radio would play. It is still a rarity when they play the slower version.
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I love that song too, dagwood. I had the LP back in the 80's but have never heard a dance version. That's probably a good thing, as I'm sure I'd feel just the way you do about it! :)
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The video version/single version of Duran Duran's "The Reflex" is much better than the album version IMO.
I like New Order's original "Blue Monday" vs the 1988 or 1995 versions.
For the most part remixes from the 80's remained true to the original version. Nowadays remixes are reconstructed to a 130 bpm house mix with the vocals either time-stretched or compressed to fit the tempo - and usually sucking the life out of a good song.
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I loved the clubby remix of Savage Garden's - To the moon and back.Much better than the slow album version.I was at a club on saturday night where they played a couple of Nirvana songs that had been remixed they were excellent.
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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Nowadays remixes are reconstructed to a 130 bpm house mix with the vocals either time-stretched or compressed to fit the tempo - and usually sucking the life out of a good song.
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This annoys me more than anything, that a good (even great) song can be compromised for the benefit of a dance beat. It's all well and good to create music specifically for dancing; turning a great song into a soulless dancing exercise should be a sin. One of the best examples I use for this argument is the Clivilles & Cole version of U2's "Pride", where the entire passion and meaning of the song was ripped out and sacrificed to the god of Vacuous Dance Beats.
>:(
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I loved the clubby remix of Savage Garden's - To the moon and back.Much better than the slow album version.I was at a club on saturday night where they played a couple of Nirvana songs that had been remixed they were excellent.
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I like Hani's Mix of "To The Moon and Back" also.
Armand Van Helden put together a great remix of Sneaker Pimps' "Spin Spin Sugar" (1997), which is about the only mix of his that I know of to actually contain whole verses...
But back to the 80's, I think the video versions/remixes of Janet Jackson's "When I Think of You" and "Pleasure Principle" sound better than the album versions.
The original versions of The Cure's "In Between Days" , "Close To Me" and "Let's Go To Bed" sound better than the remixes put out on the "Mixed Up" album (The Milk Mix of "Let's Go to Bed" was released as a B-Side on the 12" of "Never Enough").
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"The Final Countdown" by EUROPE from 1986 is way better than its '99 remix "The Final Countdown 2000". The man who remixed the song was Brian Rawling, who produced Cher's "Believe"... So no surprises there, then... :'( ::)
- Tempest -
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I have an album called "Best O' Boingo" that includes a song called "No One Lives Forever" (a once popular 'slam dancing' tune) that Danny Elfman seems to have re-recorded as he seems to have done with a few other of the popular songs done by this group. I don't think they sound as good as the originals, although at first listen you may not be able to tell. As a Boingo fan in the 80's, I knew right-off.
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Anyone remember the Nikki French dance version of "Total Eclipse of the Heart"? I felt that a piece of my childhood had been killed when that became popular.
Now, in keeping with the intended purpose for this thread, I HATE it when I but an album to hear a song I like on the radio only to find that a different version is played on the radio than on the album. Same thing when I hear a song in a movie and find the song on it's original album only to hear a totally different version that I don't like.
Two examples of this come from Freddie Mercury (Solo stuff, no Queen). First of all, in Giorgio Moroder's 1984 update on Fritz Lange's "Metropolis" we hear Freddie's "Love Kills" I fell in LOVE with that song but I couldn't find the soundtrack anywhere (This was pre-internet days of course). A few years later Irwin Winkler's "Night and the City" came out and I was delighted to hear Freddie's version of "The Great Pretender" in the film. Well, I rushed out to buy the soundtrack only to find that it was mostly filled with songs I wasn't interested in so I passed. After Freddie's death a compilation of his solo work was released that included both "Love Kills" and "The Great Pretender"!!! Of course I bought the album only to find that they were not the same versions from the films. Big disappointment.
I ended up finding the "Metropolis" soundtrack on e-bay, and I found "Night and the City" in a second-hand CD store. Man was I glad to find the originals of these songs! Not to mention that a true 80's fan would LOVE the "Metropolis" soundtrack anyway.
Whew! That was a mouthful!!!
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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As a rule, I don't like remixes. The one that really got on my nerves was Alphavilles "Forever Young". It is a slow song...I love that version...then they come out with a dance mix. Then, that is all the radio would play. It is still a rarity when they play the slower version.
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I like both versions of "Forever Young", but I prefer the remixed version because of the overlaying keyboards...
Kryllith
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
B-Movie's "Nowhere Girl" was originally recorded in 1980 and then re-mixed in 1985. I first heard the original version, but the radios play the 1985 re-mix, which I thought was a cover by New Order (yeh, it's THAT good). Both versions are perfect and should belong in anyone's synth collection.
Depeche Mode has a knack for having extended remixes of virtually everything they've done (including their B-sides!). I would say, with the exception of their last four albums, that ALL of it must be listened since it is all good.
New Order doesn't have as much output as DeMode, but their remixes and extended versions in the 80s are breathtaking. Just listen to "The Perfect Kiss," "Kiss Of Death," "Bizarre Love Triangle" from their Substance compilation and compare it to the album versions. I got The Rest Of New Order, which is a 90s compilation of remixes and have to say it was a let-down. Pretty much what DJMidas said regarding speeding up and compressing - no creativity there. I doubt Bernard Sumner had any input in that one.
Yazoo's original versions are always better for the same reason.
Actually, it's kind of hard to find a 90s remix that is as good as the original (radio and album editions aside).
Tarzan Boy
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Depeche Mode has a knack for having extended remixes of virtually everything they've done (including their B-sides!). I would say, with the exception of their last four albums, that ALL of it must be listened since it is all good.
New Order doesn't have as much output as DeMode, but their remixes and extended versions in the 80s are breathtaking. Just listen to "The Perfect Kiss," "Kiss Of Death," "Bizarre Love Triangle" from their Substance compilation and compare it to the album versions. I got The Rest Of New Order, which is a 90s compilation of remixes and have to say it was a let-down. Pretty much what DJMidas said regarding speeding up and compressing - no creativity there. I doubt Bernard Sumner had any input in that one.
Yazoo's original versions are always better for the same reason.
Actually, it's kind of hard to find a 90s remix that is as good as the original (radio and album editions aside).
Tarzan Boy
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Agreed on all counts. I don't think there was an 80's Depeche Mode remix I didn't like.
New Order's remixes in the 80's were great also (I prefer Shep Pettibone's Mix of "True Faith" to the Substance version. And The Rest Of was not that great. The only mix I really liked was Biff & Memphis's "Touched By The Hand Of God;" even that didn't pack a lot of punch IMO.
I'm still searching for a specific remix of "Situation." Not the US 12" (I have two). I'm not sure if Francois K. did another remix of this one or not; I heard it all the time on the mixshows. The DMC remix - "Re-Situated" (this one samples all sorts of things...Human League, Pink Panther...) is based on this particular mix.
TB (or anyone), Your thoughts on Real Life's "Send Me An Angel." Original version or '88/'89 version? I like the original myself but find myself playing the '89 remix (or remix service hybrid of) when DJing. (I also have a '98 remix that isn't all that but sounds better than a lot of dance remixes from that time.)
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I know it's a 90's song, but it's an 80's band (well, they started in the 80's anyway): I picked up the single for "Symphony of Destruction" by Megadeth. It had the album version and an addition version called the "Gristle Remix". WOW!!!!!! INCREDIBLE!!!!!
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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Agreed on all counts. I don't think there was an 80's Depeche Mode remix I didn't like.
New Order's remixes in the 80's were great also (I prefer Shep Pettibone's Mix of "True Faith" to the Substance version. And The Rest Of was not that great. The only mix I really liked was Biff & Memphis's "Touched By The Hand Of God;" even that didn't pack a lot of punch IMO.
I'm still searching for a specific remix of "Situation." Not the US 12" (I have two). I'm not sure if Francois K. did another remix of this one or not; I heard it all the time on the mixshows. The DMC remix - "Re-Situated" (this one samples all sorts of things...Human League, Pink Panther...) is based on this particular mix.
TB (or anyone), Your thoughts on Real Life's "Send Me An Angel." Original version or '88/'89 version? I like the original myself but find myself playing the '89 remix (or remix service hybrid of) when DJing. (I also have a '98 remix that isn't all that but sounds better than a lot of dance remixes from that time.)
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Is the Shep Pettibone mix featured in the single (it couldn't come from The Best Of New Order comp. since that just sounds like there were only 20 seconds added to make into a "95 version")? The Substance version of this song has some light "crackling and popping," that clocks in at about 2 minutes or something like that (I'm probably just hearing things or I've actually warped the CD from too much listening - WOW!). I should have the single somewhere or else I must have let someone borrow it and, like always, never have it returned :-/ Totally ditto on the re-mix of "Touched By The Hand Of God." It's the only decent re-mix and it doesn't even come close to their 80s work. "People on 'ludes shouldn't be allowed to mess with the work of geniuses," I sez.
The only re-mixes of Yazoo's "Situation" that I have are featured on the Best Of comp. as well as the re-released single of the same title. Maybe it's in an Import version. The US companies have a knack for not releasing certain material that is sold in Europe. I didn't even know they had another single called, "The Other Side Of Love" up until a year ago. Must some crazy-@$$ed re-mix, if you're looking for it. Heck! I'm looking for a re-mix of DeMode's "People Are People" not featured in ANY of their US releases (this version has more of the drumming and vocal cut-ups like in "Pleasure Little Treasure").
Can't say much of Real Life's "Send Me An Angel." I have their Best Of comp., but I listen to the version in the Thumpn' New Wave comp. (the one with the Reagan/Max Headroom cover). Perhaps, I should give both a listen? It's a great song. The guy sort of sounds like the lead singer of The Scorpions...
Tarzan Boy
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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Is the Shep Pettibone mix featured in the single (it couldn't come from The Best Of New Order comp. since that just sounds like there were only 20 seconds added to make into a "95 version")? The Substance version of this song has some light "crackling and popping," that clocks in at about 2 minutes or something like that (I'm probably just hearing things or I've actually warped the CD from too much listening - WOW!). I should have the single somewhere or else I must have let someone borrow it and, like always, never have it returned :-/ Totally ditto on the re-mix of "Touched By The Hand Of God." It's the only decent re-mix and it doesn't even come close to their 80s work. "People on 'ludes shouldn't be allowed to mess with the work of geniuses," I sez.
The only re-mixes of Yazoo's "Situation" that I have are featured on the Best Of comp. as well as the re-released single of the same title. Maybe it's in an Import version. The US companies have a knack for not releasing certain material that is sold in Europe. I didn't even know they had another single called, "The Other Side Of Love" up until a year ago. Must some crazy-@$$ed re-mix, if you're looking for it. Heck! I'm looking for a re-mix of DeMode's "People Are People" not featured in ANY of their US releases (this version has more of the drumming and vocal cut-ups like in "Pleasure Little Treasure").
Can't say much of Real Life's "Send Me An Angel." I have their Best Of comp., but I listen to the version in the Thumpn' New Wave comp. (the one with the Reagan/Max Headroom cover). Perhaps, I should give both a listen? It's a great song. The guy sort of sounds like the lead singer of The Scorpions...
Tarzan Boy
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The version of "True Faith" I'm referring to is "The Morning Sun Extended Remix" which I believe is done by Shep. Found on the US 12" Maxi Single (My dad bought me this one for Christmas in '87, and I was very impressed, b/c the cover only has a gold leaf against a blue background...)
I once had the mix of "Situation" recorded on cassette from the radio (KZZP FM Phoenix), but the quality wasn't very good and the tape's long gone. I did get someone to burn me the "Re-Situated" mix from DMC. Now that's a crazy-@$$ed mix! (BTW, DMC aka Disco Music Club put out a similar mix of New Order's "Blue Monday," titled "Re-Ordered." Samples from Clint Eastwood, James Bond, "At the Hop" etc...)
Hmmm..."People Are People." Don't know if I can help you there. Here's all the versions I have:
A Different Mix (US 12" Single)
On-U Sound (US 12" Single)
Album Version
Are People People? (B-Side of "Master & Servant" U.S. Black & Blue Version 12" Single)
The Edge Level 4 (Remix service comp from Hot Tracks; released a little over a year or so ago. Samples "Bang to the Beat of the Drum" from Shamen's "Move Any Mountain", EON's "Spice", Information Society's "What's On Your Mind (Pure Energy)"...)
The only other remix I can find listed on the web is the Razormaid! Remix...not sure what it sounds like but from my experience with Razormaid I'm sure it's pretty good...
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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The version of "True Faith" I'm referring to is "The Morning Sun Extended Remix" which I believe is done by Shep. Found on the US 12" Maxi Single (My dad bought me this one for Christmas in '87, and I was very impressed, b/c the cover only has a gold leaf against a blue background...)
I once had the mix of "Situation" recorded on cassette from the radio (KZZP FM Phoenix), but the quality wasn't very good and the tape's long gone. I did get someone to burn me the "Re-Situated" mix from DMC. Now that's a crazy-@$$ed mix! (BTW, DMC aka Disco Music Club put out a similar mix of New Order's "Blue Monday," titled "Re-Ordered." Samples from Clint Eastwood, James Bond, "At the Hop" etc...)
Hmmm..."People Are People." Don't know if I can help you there. Here's all the versions I have:
A Different Mix (US 12" Single)
On-U Sound (US 12" Single)
Album Version
Are People People? (B-Side of "Master & Servant" U.S. Black & Blue Version 12" Single)
The Edge Level 4 (Remix service comp from Hot Tracks; released a little over a year or so ago. Samples "Bang to the Beat of the Drum" from Shamen's "Move Any Mountain", EON's "Spice", Information Society's "What's On Your Mind (Pure Energy)"...)
The only other remix I can find listed on the web is the Razormaid! Remix...not sure what it sounds like but from my experience with Razormaid I'm sure it's pretty good...
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Well, this weird version was played on the radio about a year ago. I don't think it's some extended, whacked-out, hip-dislocating club version of it. It just had more of the drumming and moments of quietness as well as that weird hammer sample from the beginning of the song over and over (it's not the "Different Mix" since I have that one). Could be the Razormaid one. Hmph :-/
Dag nammit! I don't have that version of "True Faith"! I thought I did, but it was the "Bizarre Love Triangle" re-issue. Grrrrreat. This will haunt me for the rest of my short-@$$3d life. That gold-leaf cover - thank Peter Saville (sp?) for that one. He's been working with them since the Joy Division/Factory daze and did album covers for Crispy Ambulance and Section 25 as well. More recently (1999?), he's collaborated on some of the most wonderful covers for Suede's Head Music album ("Electricity" is probably one of the best covers I've ever seen). For NewOrder, he mainly works as a minimalist with slight hints of Futurist and Bauhaus (just look at the cover for their 1982 album, Movement). It goes hand-in-hand with with the music.
Tarzan Boy
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I love that song too, dagwood. I had the LP back in the 80's but have never heard a dance version. That's probably a good thing, as I'm sure I'd feel just the way you do about it! :)
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Yeah. The song, to me anyway, is supposed to be slow. Maybe it is because it was prom theme the year 4 kids got killed in a car/train accident. It was 2 weeks before the prom, so the theme was already chosen. Talk about freaky coincidences. Then I heard the dance mix....too fast.
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Well, this weird version was played on the radio about a year ago. I don't think it's some extended, whacked-out, hip-dislocating club version of it. It just had more of the drumming and moments of quietness as well as that weird hammer sample from the beginning of the song over and over (it's not the "Different Mix" since I have that one). Could be the Razormaid one. Hmph :-/
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It's not the "Are People People?" version, is it? That one is pretty much voxless, heavy on percussion (bassline filtered at times) with an ocassional "bang-bang-bang zoom-zoom-zoom bop-bop-bop" (done in similar style as the end of "Pleasure Little Treasure") and clocks in at 4:28.
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Dag nammit! I don't have that version of "True Faith"! I thought I did, but it was the "Bizarre Love Triangle" re-issue. Grrrrreat. This will haunt me for the rest of my short-@$$3d life. That gold-leaf cover - thank Peter Saville (sp?) for that one. He's been working with them since the Joy Division/Factory daze and did album covers for Crispy Ambulance and Section 25 as well. More recently (1999?), he's collaborated on some of the most wonderful covers for Suede's Head Music album ("Electricity" is probably one of the best covers I've ever seen). For NewOrder, he mainly works as a minimalist with slight hints of Futurist and Bauhaus (just look at the cover for their 1982 album, Movement). It goes hand-in-hand with with the music.
Tarzan Boy
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Cool info on the cover design. I've always enjoyed NewOrder's album/single cover art. If you still buy vinyl you might be able to pick up a copy of the US 12" somewhere. (The only music store that I've been to in SoCal that actually sold vinyl besides Tower is Dr. Freeclouds in Costa Mesa - www.drfreeclouds.com. They had quite a selection of old vinyl even though they predominantly carry new dance music. That was back in '97.)
Subject: Re: Songs ruined by or made better by remix?
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It's not the "Are People People?" version, is it? That one is pretty much voxless, heavy on percussion (bassline filtered at times) with an ocassional "bang-bang-bang zoom-zoom-zoom bop-bop-bop" (done in similar style as the end of "Pleasure Little Treasure") and clocks in at 4:28.
Cool info on the cover design. I've always enjoyed NewOrder's album/single cover art. If you still buy vinyl you might be able to pick up a copy of the US 12" somewhere. (The only music store that I've been to in SoCal that actually sold vinyl besides Tower is Dr. Freeclouds in Costa Mesa - www.drfreeclouds.com. They had quite a selection of old vinyl even though they predominantly carry new dance music. That was back in '97.)
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Oy! I just heard my copy of Real Life's Best Hits CD. It's weird, but the version included in Just Can't Get Enough: New Wave Hits Vol. 11 - song no. 15 (yeh, I screwed up on the other post by writing that this was featured in the Thump compilation. Aaargh!) is the one from the movie Girls Just Wanna Have Fun (starring Sarah Jessica Parker). The one from the Best Hits CD is a re-mix/edit and it also features a dance/extended version. They're all good! The sound is "crispier" and more defined in the newer versions.
The "People Are People" re-mix, now that my memory has kicked in, has the beginning sequence repeated over and over past the middle of the song. It still has the lyrics, but then it gets to this weird part where the beginning pops in, then rewind, and the beginning pops in again, and on again and again. It plays like the regular song, but it gets weird later on, basically. This was played on the radio about a year ago; before that, I had never heard of this new mix ???
Dude! I used to go to Dr. Freeclouds in Costa Mesa. That's, like, raver central. If only I hadn't sold my vinyl and my player to pay my bills :-/ Sigh. I'll probably get another player though. There's also a place in Huntington Beach (I haven't been there in years) called Vinyl Solution. There're a couple of things I want to get and they're probably easier to find in vinyl. Thanks for the info.
Tarzan Boy
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IMHO, The version of Duran Duran's "The Reflex" that was played on the radio was inferior to the album version.
Also, the sped up version of "My Own Way" from the video is garbage compared to the version from "Rio".
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IMHO, The version of Duran Duran's "The Reflex" that was played on the radio was inferior to the album version.
Also, the sped up version of "My Own Way" from the video is garbage compared to the version from "Rio".
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Funny, I think the exact opposite. I feel the radio edit of "The Reflex", which was released as a 45, is awesome. Not that much defferent, but deeper synth. Ditto for the night version of "My Own Way". I feel it flows a bit better. But then again, I like any and all verions of just about everything they've done. ;)