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Subject: DISCO SUX
OK, there it is........I said it. I know it's gonna be a bash and trash Dude thread but, for those of us who loved R&R for the music and the musicians of the era, it just had to be said. I've seen beaucoup posts about how great Disco music (and I use that term lightly) was in the '70s, and not one about how we real rockers back in the day felt about it. One of the greatest days in R&R history was the "Disco SUX" night at White Sox stadium in Chicago. It was the night that, according to Rolling Stones magazine, Disco died!! OK, let me have it!! (And if there are any of you "real rockers" left out there.........I could use the support about now :-/) It just gripes my butt when people bring up the 70's, all you hear about nowadays from the retro wannabes is Disco, Disco, Disco.
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Dude, I'm a rock n roller. Yep, I admit it...I did like disco...to a certain extent...for the dancing pleasure....okay, really it was to pick up all the chicks...hey I was 14!! ;D
If you wanna talk musicianship and style...rock n roll has it over disco anyday....anyone who could play a quarter note on the kick and 8th notes on the hi-hat could be a disco drummer...*yawn*...
But for memories from the 70s where the girls were involved...it was the disco! That's where they hung so that's what I heard and that's what makes the memories for me...the first kiss, the first make-out session, the first..well, you know...
Nothing makes me wanna dance or completely wig out and party like a good blasting guitar....LONG LIVE ROCK N ROLL!!
But don't kill the disco era completely...
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Yeah, I actually agree. 8)
I actually prefer more Styx, Boston, Aerosmith, Kiss, Chicago, Fleetwood Mac, David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust),etc. than the corny disco music. Though I liked a few songs.
The disco acts I strongely hate are The Village People, Donna (now working at a burger joint) Summer, & that annoying whistling song. (The Hustle? Who cares)
Speaking of disco, there was a horrid special called "The Disco Ball" that I actually cringed at while only watching a few minutes of the wretched show that should've not been aired in the first place, especially since the "disco comeback" was from 1997/1998 not 2003.
It looked very embarassing. Thankfully, the special tanked in the ratings. :D
I actually view disco as a pointless fad that was organized by record companies that want to make money out of having teeny boppers, especially young girls who just got sick of David Cassidy. Not to mention building roller disco rinks & dumb dance crazes that those teeny boppers would enjoy & spend their money on.
And even caused some rockers like the 'Stones to pitch in the disco craze.
Good thing there was punk that would dethrown disco.
(Despite that Blondie sang "Heart Of Glass".)
And no disco acts ever made it to the MTV age.
And many rock acts survived the '80's.
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HAHHA!! Actually, if you want to know the truth, I was a PUNK in the 70's! Yeah, the year I graduated high school (79) I died my hair magenta and wore a dog collar---and it wasn't even Halloween! HA! In fact, I currently own more than 50 Sex Pistols albums (yeah, they only had two albums, but that's the beauty of the British, they bootleg everything). Before that, I was a pure rock and roller (still am). However, I am also an equal opportunity music listener and there are a number of disco tunes (guilty pleasures) that just bring a smile to my face when I still hear them.
Party On!
The K-tel Chick
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However, I am also an equal opportunity music listener and there are a number of disco tunes (guilty pleasures) that just bring a smile to my face when I still hear them.
Party On!
The K-tel Chick
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K-tel, I totally agree with you. I have always considered myself to be a "diversified music lover". I like pretty much every type of music. I really like disco. I like the music, the dancing, the fashion & the whole "party-clubbing" atmosphere that it was played in. Granted, I was only 9 y.o. in 1979, but I think the reason I like it so much today, is that it brings back so many great memories of my childhood. My mother was a disco dancing queen and played disco all the time taught me to do The Hustle. It was a great time. So when I hear disco now, the first thing I want to do is get up and dance. And I love that!
On the flipside, I really love rock-n-roll as well. I would never even try to compare rock to disco, because they are two totally different things. I never understood what the big deal was with people having to choose either Rock or Disco. I love both equally. I can dance my a$$ off to some disco! I just don't get that same feeling when I listen to "Stairway to Heaven" or "Iron Man". :-/
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Just let me hear some of that Rock and Rollin' Music....
Hey, Hey, My, My, Rock and Roll can never die...
I love Rock and Roll, So put another dime in the jukebox, Baby
My, My, Hey, Hey, Rock and Roll is here to stay
That should give you my take !
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I strongly dislike the term "real rock."
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8) 8)Disco is what drove me to oldies stations.I love 50s and 60s music.You know that slogan--disco sucks,so does soul,the world was meant for rock and roll!A common fixture on bathroom walls in the 70s.Cheers! 8)
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I strongly dislike the term "real rock."
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Frankly Scarlet...................(and I didn't say real rock, I said real rockers)
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I have always LOVED Rock-n-Roll from the Beatles to Led Zepplin to Santana and everything in between. Even though I concider myself more of Classic rocker, that is not to say that I don't like disco or pop. (Not really into rap or country at all-maybe in small doses-VERY small). I also like musicals, classical, and folk. I wouldn't say that disco sucks but I would say that some disco SONGS suck-as well as some pop songs, some rock songs, etc.
Of course in those immortal words by Bob Seger, "Today's music ain't got the same soul. Just gimme that old time Rock-n-Roll." ;D
Cat
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K-tel, I totally agree with you. I have always considered myself to be a "diversified music lover". I like pretty much every type of music. I really like disco. I like the music, the dancing, the fashion & the whole "party-clubbing" atmosphere that it was played in. Granted, I was only 9 y.o. in 1979, but I think the reason I like it so much today, is that it brings back so many great memories of my childhood. My mother was a disco dancing queen and played disco all the time taught me to do The Hustle. It was a great time. So when I hear disco now, the first thing I want to do is get up and dance. And I love that!
On the flipside, I really love rock-n-roll as well. I would never even try to compare rock to disco, because they are two totally different things. I never understood what the big deal was with people having to choose either Rock or Disco. I love both equally. I can dance my a$$ off to some disco! I just don't get that same feeling when I listen to "Stairway to Heaven" or "Iron Man". :-/
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I agree with you, PoP. I also like to listen to a variety of music (except for rap and hip hop, of course). I don't think one should have to choose over rock or disco. Why can't we like both?
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I agree with you, PoP. I also like to listen to a variety of music (except for rap and hip hop, of course). I don't think one should have to choose over rock or disco. Why can't we like both?
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Agreed. I like both, and then some.
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For the most part, I think http://www.jahsonic.com/DiscoSucks.gif
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Disco never died it was just modified to sound like pop. :)
Howard
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Disco doesn't suck. It's just a matter of opinion. ;)
I like all varieties of music as well.
Just because Disco has been a "theme" this month, doesn't mean we don't like Rock. It's just nice to acknowledge other forms of music once in a while. :)
All that was accomplished by the Disco Sucks night was a terrible waste of money by burning all them albums and merchandise that must have cost people quite a bit of money. If burning money's your bag, then it's all good. Beyond that, nothing more was accomplished.
I hate to break the news....
Disco didn't die. Also, there were Rockers who did Disco. :)
Disco marked the dawn of dance-based popular music. Growing out of the increasingly groove-oriented sound of early '70s and funk, disco emphasized the beat above anything else, even the singer and the song. Disco was named after discotheques, clubs that played nothing but music for dancing. Most of the discotheques were gay clubs in New York, and the DJs in these clubs specifically picked soul and funk records that had a strong, heavy groove. After being played in the disco, the records began receiving radio play and respectable sales. Soon, record companies and producers were cutting records created specifically for discos. Naturally, these records also had strong pop hooks, so they could have crossover success. Disco albums frequently didn't have many tracks — they had a handful of long songs that kept the beat going. Similarly, the singles were issued on 12-inch records, which allowed for extended remixes. DJs could mix these tracks together, matching the beats on each song since they were marked with how fast they were in terms of beats per minute. In no time, the insistent, pounding disco beat dominated the pop chart, and everyone cut a disco record, from rockers like the Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart to pop acts like the Bee Gees and new wave artists like Blondie. There were disco artists that became stars — Donna Summer, Chic, the Village People, and KC & the Sunshine Band were brand names — but the music was primarily a producer's medium, since they created the tracks and wrote the songs. Disco lost momentum as the '70s became the '80s, but it didn't die — it mutated into a variety of different dance-based genres, ranging from dance-pop and hip-hop to house and techno.
Source:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll
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Disco doesn't suck.
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That was an interesting article, Hairspray. Thanks for sharing! :)
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That was an interesting article, Hairspray. Thanks for sharing! :)
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So does that mean you now see ELO's "Don't Bring Me Down" in a different light, CF? (You never responded to my post on Hairspray's "disco" thread!) :-)
And BTW, I assume you've seen the original (1979) video for that song? ???
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If you were a musician in the 60's and 70's that had poured you heart and soul into your lifes work, and knew the passion and emotion that music can project, and then saw the whole music industry meld into a mindless chug-a chug-a beat, with machines for musicians, and more emphasis put on "making the scene" or "how good do I look tonight" or can I "Shake My Groove Thang" as well as the next person, rather than appreciation of the music itself, you would understand what the Disco Sux movement was all about. And to the article Hair referenced, that was only one writers take on Disco. Did anyone see the "History of Rock & Roll" series that was on PBS first, and then The History Channel? I think they portrayed it best when, at the end of the 1970's portion of the documentary (produced by Quincy Jones) they showed the coming of Bruce Springsteen, and had the quote of Gerald Ford saying "Our long national nightmare, is over!!"
Edited to say I NEVER meant to convey that anyone was wrong or anything for liking Disco. After all, Hair's right, Disco Sux is only my opinion.
(Mine and a few million of my closest friends ;))
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If you were a musician in the 60's and 70's that had poured you heart and soul into your lifes work, and knew the passion and emotion that music can project, and then saw the whole music industry meld into a mindless chug-a chug-a beat, with machines for musicians, and more emphasis put on "making the scene" or "how good do I look tonight" or can I "Shake My Groove Thang" as well as the next person, rather than appreciation of the music itself, you would understand what the Disco Sux movement was all about. And to the article Hair referenced, that was only one writers take on Disco. Did anyone see the "History of Rock & Roll" series that was on PBS first, and then The History Channel? I think they portrayed it best when, at the end of the 1970's portion of the documentary (produced by Quincy Jones) they showed the coming of Bruce Springsteen, and had the quote of Gerald Ford saying "Our long national nightmare, is over!!"
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I've seen this,or a similar special, on VH1.
I actually think it's true that disco is just fluff manufactured by recored companies & is more about style over substance.
I assume that disco is fondly remembered because it has a sense of nostalgia that people probably did during their youth in the 1970's. (1st date, prom, "our song", etc.)
And the younger generation would eventually have disco music shoved down their throats. (the same with classic tv shows & movies)
Atleast disco is now defunct. :D
Best if I go listen to progressive rock...all done by real musicians.
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Didn't you read the article? Disco never died but morphed into many other styles still out there today. :)
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I don't know if I would rather listen to disco or progrock.
Emphasis on style over substance... not necessarily a bad thing. Just because the focus is on substance doesn't mean you have any. And besides, the self-absorbed "we are rock and roll and we are changing the world and we are important so take us seriously, dammit" stuff can get old after a while. Sometimes, the style can be better than substance, which is why "Dancing Queen" has aged so much better than, say, "Karn Evil 9."
All that said, I can't think of very many disco songs I like at all.
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Didn't you read the article? Disco never died but morphed into many other styles still out there today. :)
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I actually ment '70's disco music in general.
And the acts that ruled the charts at the time like
Village People, Donna Summer,etc.
BTW, I'm not a fan of current rave, trance, techo music from the 1990's. Not to mention I'm not a fan of current teen pop & hip hop.
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That was an interesting article, Hairspray. Thanks for sharing! :)
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You're very welcome, CF. :)
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And also,I would like to mention that Funk never died.It was just changed to sound more like rap in some sort of way. :)
Howard
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As the old adage goes "you're only as good as your last performance".
If the music you make isn't selling any more and you--as Superstar said about Donna Summer--have to change your style or get a job working in a burger joint, then you change your style.
Unfortunately it doesn't work very well for very many artists.
Yes, some traditionally rock or pop artists tried to do the disco thing to stay popular and sell records.
How well did it work for them? Not very, IMO.
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And also I would like to mention that Rock never died.It was just made to sound "Alternative".
Howard
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I like disco and I'm not a 'retro wannabe' ! I was a teenager at the time.
I also like rock and roll, a little heavy metal.......in fact I like a lot of different genres of music.
At the very top of my list however, is Australian Music ;D
Does anyone really give a toss anyway? ::)
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I think not, truth be known !