I wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the political board. But, this is current events so it can go here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/?noredirect=on


Cat

It's about darn time! I see he's been charged with his role in the "hush money" incident. I wonder if he'll get more charges? Would serve him right. ::)

It's about darn time! I see he's been charged with his role in the "hush money" incident. I wonder if he'll get more charges? Would serve him right. ::)

And I wonder as to how much jail time he will serve?

And I wonder as to how much jail time he will serve?


First things first.  He needs to be convicted, then we can talk about jail time.  My guess is a  suspended sentence on this one

https://www.tiktok.com/@fallontonight/video/7216487784956185899

This is some arrest the political opposition "third world" type sheesh, this country is quickly turning into a banana republic :D.

https://www.tiktok.com/@fallontonight/video/7216487784956185899


Good one.

The Capital Steps did a parody like that a long time ago (before Trump was in the White House).

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61CKGW2WXWL._SY355_.jpg


Cat

Donald Trump
Got the hump
On something he's been invited
To his fury
By the Grand Jury
For he has been indicted

First things first.  He needs to be convicted, then we can talk about jail time.  My guess is a suspended sentence on this one

More than 30?

https://media.makeameme.org/created/went-you-drop.jpg

Donald Trump
Got the hump
On something he's been invited
To his fury
By the Grand Jury
For he has been indicted


Thanks, because of the poem I now know that I would have mispronounced indicted.

Maybe after they indict him, they should cut his hair too.

Thanks, because of the poem I now know that I would have mispronounced indicted.


It is a funny word, definitely not pronounced the way it looks.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/went-you-drop.jpg


If he ever does see jail time it will be in a "country club" jail, the ones for white collar elite

It is a funny word, definitely not pronounced the way it looks.

Yeah, when I first came across the word (many ages ago), I did not realize that the C was silent.

Good one.

The Capital Steps did a parody like that a long time ago (before Trump was in the White House).

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61CKGW2WXWL._SY355_.jpg


Cat

O0

I saw them twice (2006 and 2012). The first time, they performed that song (which I think was the title track from the album that they released that year). The title would certainly apply now!

If he ever does see jail time it will be in a "country club" jail, the ones for white collar elite


And have them shave his head. >:(

We might find out if the hair is actually real.

We might find out if the hair is actually real.

What does he put on his hair to make it look like that all the time?

What does he put on his hair to make it look like that all the time?


Gobs and gobs of Brill Cream

O0

I saw them twice (2006 and 2012). The first time, they performed that song (which I think was the title track from the album that they released that year). The title would certainly apply now!


Have seen them many times and have several albums-including that one. The problem with their albums-as funny as they are, they get dated very quickly. They don't really age very well.


Cat

Gobs and gobs of Brill Cream

That's not good for the hair.

That's not good for the hair.


A little dab’ll do ya.

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This is some arrest the political opposition "third world" type sheesh, this country is quickly turning into a banana republic :D.


Ya think?

Did you say that when Michael Cohen went to prison for the same offence?

Which part of the alleged offence is made up? Surely it would be far more "banana republic" to allow someone rich and powerful to get away with committing crimes?

Trump has said there was no affair, do you think he's telling the truth?

Is it all going to happen tomorrow?

Is it all going to happen tomorrow?

He will come to New York to get fingerprinted.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrgSFU9WwAAtTaH?format=jpg&name=small

Trump has said there was no affair, do you think he's telling the truth?

I don't think I've ever seen/heard him tell the truth.

I don't think I've ever seen/heard him tell the truth.

He's almost always lying.

He's almost always lying.


And his lies are usually so far-fetched that they are not believable.

I don't think I've ever seen/heard him tell the truth.

He's very much like our own Boris Johnson in that respect: both of them appear to believe that reality is whatever they want it to be, and get incredibly indignant when someone points out the actual world. It's hard to credit just why these people have such popular appeal: millions have voted for (and a remarkably high percentage appear to still support) these two, even though it's no secret that they're incapable of being honest.

But for both of them, the accusation of "lying" is much harder to make stick: a lie is a knowingly-told untruth, and neither of them care enough about the truth to know whether what they're saying is or not. For me, this makes them both so fundamentally untrustworthy they shouldn't be allowed to run anything that impacts anyone else, ever. It's disappointing that so many thing otherwise.

I don't think I've ever seen/heard him tell the truth.


He is incapable of telling the truth. He wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the @$$.


Cat

Trump has said there was no affair, do you think he's telling the truth?


There are some people who believe that he had the best Christian morals of any president in the entire history of the US, lol

And his lies are usually so far-fetched that they are not believable.
well, they're obviously good enough for about 50% of the American voters...

well, they're obviously good enough for about 50% of the American voters...

47% of the voters, 66% turnout.. so about 31% of the electorate. That's still a ridiculous number who listen to his brainless, self-serving drivel and think "hey, this person should run the country!"


There are some people who believe that he had the best Christian morals of any president in the entire history of the US, lol

Yeah, I'm not sure how these people maintain their faith - obviously, reality isn't going to sway them, though I thought their bible had something about not worshipping craven idols.

Yeah, I'm not sure how these people maintain their faith - obviously, reality isn't going to sway them, though I thought their bible had something about not worshipping craven idols.


That's graven idols.

As seen in:

Exodus 20:4
Leviticus 26:1
Deuteronomy 4:16
Deuteronomy 5:8

etc.

And his lies are usually so far-fetched that they are not believable.

I remember a few years ago he told people to drink bleach to help rid of COVID! ::)

I remember a few years ago he told people to drink bleach to help rid of COVID! ::)


Yeah, he handled COVID-19 better than any president has ever done in the past (I believe he's made that claim before). He also bragged about the US handling it better than any other nation in the world. Also remember this quote? "One day it will be gone, like a miracle".

Yeah, I'm not sure how these people maintain their faith - obviously, reality isn't going to sway them, though I thought their bible had something about not worshipping craven idols.


Yeah, I wouldn't go to church that forces people to vote and support for him. They are actually more like cults. Many think that just because he is pro-life/anti-abortion and helped get Roe v. Wade overturned he is 100% perfect.

Yeah, he handled COVID-19 better than any president has ever done in the past (I believe he's made that claim before). He also bragged about the US handling it better than any other nation in the world. Also remember this quote? "One day it will be gone, like a miracle".

Yeah, I wouldn't go to church that forces people to vote and support for him. They are actually more like cults. Many think that just because he is pro-life/anti-abortion and helped get Roe v. Wade overturned he is 100% perfect.


They aren't pro-life, they are pro-forced-pregnancies. But that is another issue.

I'm not a Christian but I seem to recall the Bible saying something about beware of false prophets (only in Trump's case it could be false profits).


Cat

So during today's hearing he pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of the alleged conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 election. After that he returned to Mar-a-Lago.


They aren't pro-life, they are pro-forced-pregnancies. But that is another issue.

I'm not a Christian but I seem to recall the Bible saying something about beware of false prophets (only in Trump's case it could be false profits).


Cat


I definitely believe the Bible over the church-folks and their (mis)interpretation of the Bible. He definitely fits the bill as one of the false prophets, and closer to the anti-Christ than Christ himself. People actually have compared him to Jesus, and the Democrats are like modern day Pharisees.

So during today's hearing he pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of the alleged conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 election. After that he returned to Mar-a-Lago.

I definitely believe the Bible over the church-folks and their (mis)interpretation of the Bible. He definitely fits the bill as one of the false prophets, and closer to the anti-Christ than Christ himself. People actually have compared him to Jesus, and the Democrats are like modern day Pharisees.


I just keep telling myself, this too, shall pass.


Cat

He is incapable of telling the truth. He wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the @$$.


Cat

Exactly! Or if it hit im on the head like a ton of bricks.

That's graven idols.

Yeah, it was an intentional play on words, because he is such an utter coward.

Yeah, he handled COVID-19 better than any president has ever done in the past (I believe he's made that claim before). He also bragged about the US handling it better than any other nation in the world. Also remember this quote? "One day it will be gone, like a miracle".

Yeah, I wouldn't go to church that forces people to vote and support for him. They are actually more like cults. Many think that just because he is pro-life/anti-abortion and helped get Roe v. Wade overturned he is 100% perfect.

And look where we are 3 years later, he's such a dumbass! ::)

So during today's hearing he pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of the alleged conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 election. After that he returned to Mar-a-Lago.

I definitely believe the Bible over the church-folks and their (mis)interpretation of the Bible. He definitely fits the bill as one of the false prophets, and closer to the anti-Christ than Christ himself. People actually have compared him to Jesus, and the Democrats are like modern day Pharisees.

So when is his jail sentence?

So when is his jail sentence?


He has to be convicted first.


Cat

And look where we are 3 years later, he's such a dumbass! ::)


Not to defend him but for all we know that "one day" could be in 2027. He didn't specify which day.

He has to be convicted first.


Cat

Let's hope it happens.

He has to be convicted first.


Cat
Soon we hope?

Not to defend him but for all we know that "one day" could be in 2027. He didn't specify which day.



I guess he'll start running for president again.

Soon we hope?

I hope he don't drop the soap.

He has to be convicted first.


Cat



Soon we hope?


From what I understand (disclaimer: IANAL), the prosecutor is using a somewhat novel application of the law.  Trump's team could drag the case out past the next election with endless appeals, all the way up to the Supreme Court.

The other cases against him are more straightforward, and, from a political perspective, much more damaging.

From what I understand (disclaimer: IANAL), the prosecutor is using a somewhat novel application of the law.  Trump's team could drag the case out past the next election with endless appeals, all the way up to the Supreme Court.

The other cases against him are more straightforward, and, from a political perspective, much more damaging.

I believe there are 34 charges against DT, so can that mean 34 appeals?

I hope he don't drop the soap.


Soap on a rope is the way to go.

From what I understand (disclaimer: IANAL), the prosecutor is using a somewhat novel application of the law.  Trump's team could drag the case out past the next election with endless appeals, all the way up to the Supreme Court.

That the financial crimes would normally be a misdemeanour, but they've chosen to up the level by tying in that they were used to stop a story getting out prior to an election?

It's like a "Who wants to be a millionaire" scenario: "You have 34 misdemeanour counts in the bank - do you want to risk it all by doubling down to make them felony charges?"


The other cases against him are more straightforward, and, from a political perspective, much more damaging.

I'm truly surprised that the Georgia phone call has taken so long to get to court: with what is public knowledge, it seems that a charge of trying to influence an election official is undeniable (which Trump obviously knows, hence his hammering of it as "a perfect phone call, even more perfect than the one to Ukraine") - if he manages to run again without that (& his attempts to influence the results in Arizona) going through the courts, it will be like there has been no serious attempt to hold him to account whatsoever.

Here's hoping that what the NY action has done is provide a bit of backbone to those investigating other crimes.


I believe there are 34 charges against DT, so can that mean 34 appeals?

Well, that gives rise to a novel use of Rule 34...

I believe there are 34 charges against DT, so can that mean 34 appeals?

And I heard in the news that he might get 4 years in jail. :o

And I heard in the news that he might get 4 years in jail. :o
What are the implications of the 'gagging order'?

From what I understand (disclaimer: IANAL), the prosecutor is using a somewhat novel application of the law.  Trump's team could drag the case out past the next election with endless appeals, all the way up to the Supreme Court.

The other cases against him are more straightforward, and, from a political perspective, much more damaging.


I think that is the reason why they put the court date in Dec. That will give enough time to let these other cases-the one in Georgia & the DOJ for the classified documents to move forward. If those other cases come first, I think it will help the prosecution in this case. But, I'm no lawyer nor do I play one of t.v. What do I know?

There is another case, however, that WILL be in court on April 25th of this year. E. Jean Carroll is suing him for battery & defamation even though the rape case has been postponed indefinitely.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/19/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-defamation-trial/index.html


Cat

if he goes to jail then 90% of the government deserves the same fate

if he goes to jail then 90% of the government deserves the same fate

You have evidence that those in government are that criminal?

90% of those in government haven't been so very, very blatant in their narcissistic lawbreaking. Trump has got away with paying fines for crimes that other people have spent years in jail for committing: can you think of any others in government who have been proven to have committed so many crimes? Just one?

if he goes to jail then 90% of the government deserves the same fate

You have evidence that those in government are that criminal?

90% of those in government haven't been so very, very blatant in their narcissistic lawbreaking. Trump has got away with paying fines for crimes that other people have spent years in jail for committing: can you think of any others in government who have been proven to have committed so many crimes? Just one?
Was there anything of this nature in the recent Pentagon leaks?

if he goes to jail then 90% of the government deserves the same fate

He deserves a maximum of 4 years.

Was there anything of this nature in the recent Pentagon leaks?

Leaks aren't relevant, though: that Trump has paid for charges to go away (e.g. for using his "charitable foundation" for his own personal spending - where other people have spent up to five years in prison for doing exactly that), this is in the public record. He is as a matter of record a proven criminal, multiple times over. Any normal (i.e. not rich, well-connected and white) person would have been imprisoned many times over. I'm not sure there's anyone else in government with such a proven record of criminality, whatever one might think of politicians.

Leaks aren't relevant, though: that Trump has paid for charges to go away (e.g. for using his "charitable foundation" for his own personal spending - where other people have spent up to five years in prison for doing exactly that), this is in the public record. He is as a matter of record a proven criminal, multiple times over. Any normal (i.e. not rich, well-connected and white) person would have been imprisoned many times over. I'm not sure there's anyone else in government with such a proven record of criminality, whatever one might think of politicians.


For years he has squirmed and sleezed out of accountability, mostly because he has  always been able to muddy the water and make a deal. That was the true art of the deal

He deserves a maximum of 4 years.

More than that. I’d like to see him behind bars for a longer period of time.

More than that. I’d like to see him behind bars for a longer period of time.


Maybe LWOP? ???

Maybe LWOP? ???


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Probably Life Without Parole.

Probably Life Without Parole.


Maybe he can become president in prison, of the cell block that is, lol

Probably Life Without Parole.

Maybe he can become president in prison, of the cell block that is, lol
Become president of the library in a prison?

Has struck me that if he's convicted, and still manages to win the presidency, I'll finally get to write my "Perp'll Reign" parody :-)

Maybe he can become president in prison, of the cell block that is, lol

I'm sure he'll either make friends or maybe make some enemies.

Yesterday the Trump - Carrol trial started with opening statements.  The talking heads seem to think Carrol has the edge

Yesterday the Trump - Carrol trial started with opening statements.  The talking heads seem to think Carrol has the edge
So it has finally all started?

So it has finally all started?

Will he get jail time?

Will he get jail time?


Not for this one, it's a  civil suit, not criminal

Looks like he's being indicated for a second time, for his mishandling of classified documents.

Looks like he's being indicated for a second time, for his mishandling of classified documents.
I heard that the classified documents are top secret, so will the trail be held in secret, behind closed doors?

I heard that the classified documents are top secret, so will the trail be held in secret, behind closed doors?

Or will he serve jail time?

Or will he serve jail time?
That is down to the jury and judge to decide.

Or will he serve jail time?


If he does, he’ll need to remember to keep a firm grip on his bar of soap.  :-X

That is down to the jury and judge to decide.

Well, he's 70 years old so maybe won't serve as much time.

Well, he's 70 years old so maybe won't serve as much time.

Trump? He’s more than that. In fact, his 77th birthday is next week. But it doesn’t matter.

Trump? He’s more than that. In fact, his 77th birthday is next week. But it doesn’t matter.


He's expected to live until 200, the real life Bicentennial Man, lol

He's expected to live until 200, the real life Bicentennial Man, lol

Lol for sure ::)

Seriously though, he has his share of health issues, both physically and mentally.

He's expected to live until 200, the real life Bicentennial Man, lol

Maybe he'll drink some concoction to keep him at the age that he is now.

Maybe he'll drink some concoction to keep him at the age that he is now.

I doubt it. ::)

I doubt it. ::)

When they jail him they need to give Trump a haircut.

I wasn't sure whether to put this here or on the political board. But, this is current events so it can go here

Ya probably would be better on the political base but its ok here also :)

They sure are doing everything they can to make sure he cant run again!!

They sure are doing everything they can to make sure he cant run again!!

"They"

...you mean Trump's former Attorney General, and an ever-growing list of people in the Republican Party including many he picked for their roles?

I've just heard Jim Jordan trying very desperately to defend Trump by arguing that what Trump said didn't mean the only thing that any rational person could possibly accept it as meaning. And bringing up Hillary's emails as a claim of "double standards", which is possibly the most laughable thing about it.

The most difficult part to come ISTM is going to be finding an untainted jury. It seems to me that on the one hand you'll have people who believe Trump can literally do no wrong irrespective of evidence, and on the other those who will already believe he's guilty. Anyone who listens to the news and actually hears Trump's words can only fall into the latter set: there is zero doubt whatsoever in my mind at least that he's bang to rights. Ain't no way there's going to be a verdict before the next election, though.

It'll be interesting to see for just how many Republicans in the intervening time whether the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance trying to defend the indefensible becomes too much.

It feels bizarre listening to Chris Christie sounding like the adult in the room, though his "I made a mistake thinking I could teach Trump how to respect the constitution" seems massively self-serving.

Big day today?

What is this hear about chickens roaming around outside the courthouse?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/13/046d8f38-4f75-40a8-b61f-4ed357aa9414.jpg

Looks like a rooster more than a chicken?

He has arrived for the court hearing where he faces criminal charges for illegally retaining classified documents after he left the White House.

Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges in his 37-count indictment.

The former president has now left the courthouse and will speak later from his golf club in New Jersey

Probably nothing will ever happen to him. When you have that kind of money and power you can do whatever you want, lol.

Probably nothing will ever happen to him. When you have that kind of money and power you can do whatever you want, lol.

But one day he will go bankrupt.

The former president has now left the courthouse and will speak later from his golf club in New Jersey

He's a free man.

He's a free man.
Until....

I am wondering, these boxes of classified files stored in a shower, bathroom, ballroom and his bedroom, the charges allege. Did he, DT, take or move these boxes on his own or did other people help him?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/9/2ef44f02-d9a5-42b6-a792-256ab04d8385.png

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/9/75b82159-df91-4a38-a6cd-9a1274e9aa78.png

All this on his birthday too?

I am wondering, these boxes of classified files stored in a shower, bathroom, ballroom and his bedroom, the charges allege. Did he, DT, take or move these boxes on his own or did other people help him?

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/9/2ef44f02-d9a5-42b6-a792-256ab04d8385.png

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/9/75b82159-df91-4a38-a6cd-9a1274e9aa78.png

All this on his birthday too?

He might have had people help him move the boxes.

He might have had people help him move the boxes.
Could a man in his 70s move these on his own?

Could a man in his 70s move these on his own?


His weight also is a factor.

His weight also is a factor.
Carrying heavy weights around you have to watch your back.

Carrying heavy weights around you have to watch your back.


Always lift from the knees, not the back.

Always lift from the knees, not the back.
Bend at the knee
For physical safety
And if you're on your own
Let out a groan
For to mention
Helps to release the tension.

Carrying heavy weights around you have to watch your back.

Exactly!

I'm slightly bemused that anyone might think Trump would pick up and carry a box anywhere, no matter how light or how short a distance.

But nothing like as bemused that anyone is still sticking up for the tantruming toddler: it has got so bad that Chris Christie is sounding like the grown-up in the room (it's about time that people on that side of politics over there started pointing out that Trump is behaving like a baby who has just had his favourite rattle taken away - should have happened years ago, though). Though he's still repeating lies about Hillary Clinton and seems to be trying to make out that she was just as bad as Trump is, and should have been similarly prosecuted.

I'm slightly bemused that anyone might think Trump would pick up and carry a box anywhere, no matter how light or how short a distance.

But nothing like as bemused that anyone is still sticking up for the tantruming toddler: it has got so bad that Chris Christie is sounding like the grown-up in the room (it's about time that people on that side of politics over there started pointing out that Trump is behaving like a baby who has just had his favourite rattle taken away - should have happened years ago, though). Though he's still repeating lies about Hillary Clinton and seems to be trying to make out that she was just as bad as Trump is, and should have been similarly prosecuted.


Hence...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Trump_Baby_Balloon_at_protest_in_Parliament_Square.jpg

Hence...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Trump_Baby_Balloon_at_protest_in_Parliament_Square.jpg

An over-inflated ball of gas, looking like a baby?

Still way too complimentary

An over-inflated ball of gas, looking like a baby?

Still way too complimentary
BTW, was there a similar balloon for Boris Johnson?

Hence...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Trump_Baby_Balloon_at_protest_in_Parliament_Square.jpg

;D

BTW, was there a similar balloon for Boris Johnson?

If memory serves, yes..

<searches>

In Hartlepool, by a Boris fanboi - it wasn't a critical inflatable, but an inflated ego version of the original:
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/12582821/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

If memory serves, yes..

<searches>

In Hartlepool, by a Boris fanboi - it wasn't a critical inflatable, but an inflated ego version of the original:
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/resources/images/12582821/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen

...and the hair is tidier on the balloon.

Thanks

In more than 100 years since its passage, few of the many cases brought under the US Espionage Act relate to what most people think of as espionage - individuals actually spying on behalf of a foreign nation.

Since becoming the first ex-US president to face federal charges, including 31 Espionage Act violations, an emerging Republican defence of Donald Trump is to argue that he should not be charged under the act because he is not a foreign spy.

Full report: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65910903

...and the hair is tidier on the balloon.

Thanks

Why is Boris's hair a mess?

Why is Boris's hair a mess?
Boris Johnson has dismissed speculation that he doesn’t brush his hair.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hair-messy-interview-b1776176.html

Boris Johnson has dismissed speculation that he doesn’t brush his hair.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hair-messy-interview-b1776176.html

Does he like it that way? ???

Does he like it that way? ???
I have seen worse.

Boris Johnson has dismissed speculation that he doesn’t brush his hair.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hair-messy-interview-b1776176.html

Well, seeing as he included his hairdresser in his resignation honours list, it does seem that his "dragged through a hedge backwards" look is calculated and intentional rather than as haphazard as it looks.

Well, seeing as he included his hairdresser in his resignation honours list, it does seem that his "dragged through a hedge backwards" look is calculated and intentional rather than as haphazard as it looks.
The hairdresser for his wife more than himself?

The hairdresser for his wife more than himself?

Apparently Kelly Jo Dodge has been parliamentary hairdresser for some time, so his rather than his wife's; though the papers seem confused as to whether she got an OBE or an MBE - the more authoritative sources seem to suggest it's the former.. no disrespect to hairdressers, but that seems a little ridiculous. 

Apparently Kelly Jo Dodge has been parliamentary hairdresser for some time, so his rather than his wife's; though the papers seem confused as to whether she got an OBE or an MBE - the more authoritative sources seem to suggest it's the former.. no disrespect to hairdressers, but that seems a little ridiculous. 
OBE... Old Bald 'Ead?

OBE... Old Bald 'Ead?

It's usually "Other Buggers' Efforts", implying that getting an OBE means you've got it for heading up some major project where everyone else did all the actual work :)

It's usually "Other Buggers' Efforts", implying that getting an OBE means you've got it for heading up some major project where everyone else did all the actual work :)
Thanks, learning every day.

We seem to have strayed from the Trump indictment, though.. I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to be the best possible prosecution witness he can be, though: justifying the subterfuge and avoiding the court order for the documents in a TV interview, saying it was because he wanted time to go through and sort out personal stuff like golf shirts.. he really is so goddamn stupid that he doesn't realize he's saying "I did it, and I had no good reason for doing it"

The insanity plea is starting to look ever more likely

We seem to have strayed from the Trump indictment, though.. I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to be the best possible prosecution witness he can be, though: justifying the subterfuge and avoiding the court order for the documents in a TV interview, saying it was because he wanted time to go through and sort out personal stuff like golf shirts.. he really is so goddamn stupid that he doesn't realize he's saying "I did it, and I had no good reason for doing it"

The insanity plea is starting to look ever more likely
Maybe give secret documents to wikileaks?

We seem to have strayed from the Trump indictment, though.. I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to be the best possible prosecution witness he can be, though: justifying the subterfuge and avoiding the court order for the documents in a TV interview, saying it was because he wanted time to go through and sort out personal stuff like golf shirts.. he really is so goddamn stupid that he doesn't realize he's saying "I did it, and I had no good reason for doing it"

The insanity plea is starting to look ever more likely

He knows he did it, He just wants to avoid a situation that might get him jail time.

He knows he did it, He just wants to avoid a situation that might get him jail time.

He can hardly deny he took the documents, or that he moved and tried to hide them in the face of a court subpoena rather than turning them over.

He seems to be trialling the defence of "I was allowed to do it", which I'm betting if there was even a scintilla of legal validity behind, this would never have been investigated, let alone come to an indictment. But.. it's very likely that the defence isn't for the legal court, but for the court of public opinion (or at least to keep his base onside and riled up to make it "public order" sort of dangerous for them to send him to prison). Even some of the less mindbogglingly stupid commentors on amiright repeat stuff that is completely made-up to try and make Trump seem less culpable (apparently that Mar a Lago toilet is not just a safe room, but a safe within a safe room.. and every one of Hillary's 30,000 deleted emails is an equivalent offence). There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Now it's three times. This time for attempting to overturn the 2020 election.

Now it's three times. This time for attempting to overturn the 2020 election.
It is all getting to be a song parody now?

Once, Twice, Three Times Indicted

It is all getting to be a song parody now?

Once, Twice, Three Times Indicted


I was thinking about that.

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Donald Trump is currently en route to Washington DC where he has been summoned to appear in court at 16:00 ET (21:00 BST)

As DT got off the plane, he said something but I could not lip-read him. What did he say?

Looks like he’s pleaded not guilty once again. ::)

One of these days he’s gotta fess up. The stuff he was charged with today was pretty darn serious. I so want to see him get convicted.

As DT got off the plane, he said something but I could not lip-read him. What did he say?


I think it was “thank you” towards some supporters

I think it was “thank you” towards some supporters
Thank you.

As DT got off the plane, he said something but I could not lip-read him. What did he say?

I think he said this is a total witch hunt and a total disgrace.

Looks like he’s pleaded not guilty once again. ::)

One of these days he’s gotta fess up. The stuff he was charged with today was pretty darn serious. I so want to see him get convicted.


He will NEVER fess up because he is incapable of admitting he did anything wrong. I think it was during one of his State of the Union addresses where he mistakenly called someone by the wrong name. Instead of saying oops, apologized and move on, he went on to say that the guy was also known as the name he just called him.


Cat

Another day, another indictment. ::)

He will NEVER fess up because he is incapable of admitting he did anything wrong.

Makes ya wonder if he is paying people off to find him not guilty!!

Makes ya wondeer if he is paying people off to find him not guilty!!

I doubt it - the main reason he hasn't been found guilty in many of his previous trials is that he has settled - he's an admitted fraudster, non-payer of bills etc. ad nauseam. He's a crook, always was.

He has paid people off before things got to court if he realized he was going to lose.

The guy is so fundamentally corrupt, it beggars belief that anyone still thinks he's in any way at all suitable to be president.

My, it's gonna be hard to find one jury, let alone four.

I doubt it - the main reason he hasn't been found guilty in many of his previous trials is that he has settled - he's an admitted fraudster, non-payer of bills etc. ad nauseam. He's a crook, always was.

He has paid people off before things got to court if he realized he was going to lose.

The guy is so fundamentally corrupt, it beggars belief that anyone still thinks he's in any way at all suitable to be president.

My, it's gonna be hard to find one jury, let alone four.


What always baffles me, yes, he is a crook and always was but why do people STILL follow him? It is so obvious that he will throw anyone under the bus-and he has. Loyalty is a one-way street with him. He has bilked people over and over again and they are like, "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" He has scammed so many and yet, people just fall over themselves for him. I just don't get it!


Cat

What always baffles me, yes, he is a crook and always was but why do people STILL follow him? It is so obvious that he will throw anyone under the bus-and he has. Loyalty is a one-way street with him. He has bilked people over and over again and they are like, "Thank you, sir. May I have another?" He has scammed so many and yet, people just fall over themselves for him. I just don't get it!


Cat

Yeah, he's also coming up with stuff now that is blatantly unconstitutional, explicitly saying he's going to do what he is lying about being done to him (weaponizing the DoJ and going after political opponents - even most Republican candidates these days are somewhat sheepish at suggesting that the prosecutions against him are politically motivated), and the sheep who follow him think of themselves as "patriots" - putting the "riot" into "patriot", perhaps?

I guess the Constitution is like the Bible over there: many people pay lip service, but neither really know nor care what it actually says

Yeah, he's also coming up with stuff now that is blatantly unconstitutional, explicitly saying he's going to do what he is lying about being done to him (weaponizing the DoJ and going after political opponents - even most Republican candidates these days are somewhat sheepish at suggesting that the prosecutions against him are politically motivated), and the sheep who follow him think of themselves as "patriots" - putting the "riot" into "patriot", perhaps?

I guess the Constitution is like the Bible over there: many people pay lip service, but neither really know nor care what it actually says


But you have to think like them 100% to be considered an American patriot and a good Christian, and get into Republican Heaven.

But you have to think like them 100% to be considered an American patriot and a good Christian, and get into Republican Heaven.

"Republican Heaven" ??... that's like, Hell, right?

Being with those guys for eternity would *definitely* fit my description of what Hell would be like

I actually won't be surprised if he's going to be convicted before the election (considering that his trial date is in January 2024).

Make that #4. This time it's in my state, for his attempt to overturn the election in Georgia.


"Republican Heaven" ??... that's like, Hell, right?

Being with those guys for eternity would *definitely* fit my description of what Hell would be like


I imagine it to be like the social hour between the church service and Sunday school class, where everyone mingles and makes small talk about how their weekend was, how their kids are doing in school, the college football games, Republican politics, how America is the greatest country in the world because it's the only country where you're free to worship Jesus, etc.

Apparently if I don't think like them I'm considered "unsaved" and don't have the Holy Spirit so I'm doomed to spend eternity in Hell, and it will be worse than Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, lol.

My dad says he is trying to keep this going until the election next year and he will be pardonend,I dunno........

My dad says he is trying to keep this going until the election next year and he will be pardonend,I dunno........

I hope he doesn't get elected.  ::)

I hope he doesn't get elected.  ::)


I hope he doesn't even get nominated.

I hope he doesn't even get nominated.

I thought he was going to jail?  ???

I thought he was going to jail?  ???


He can still get elected even if he is in jail.


Cat

He can still get elected even if he is in jail.

There was a caricature in our local newspaper yesterday. In it a judge yelled at a convict that he's screwed up his life with many felonies and that the only career option for him left would be to become the president of the U S. :o

He can still get elected even if he is in jail.


Cat

But how can he run the country if he's in jail?

My dad says he is trying to keep this going until the election next year and he will be pardonend,I dunno........

A president pardoning himself has certain constitutional ramifications, though as I understand it to accept a presidential pardon, you have to admit you did the crime, which is never going to happen for Trump.

But a president can only pardon federal crimes: the Georgia charges are state ones, so he couldn't pardon himself for those.


But how can he run the country if he's in jail?

He'd probably be able to put in way more time in the office than he did first time around. Just not an Oval one. Though I think you left the "i" out ;-)

..but the time he spends on the golf course would probably be significantly reduced.

Any further news on arrest or anything of that nature?

Any further news on arrest or anything of that nature?


He's supposed to be turning himself in at the Fulton County jail in Atlanta on Thursday. It's especially big news locally since I live in the area. They said they aren't going to give him any special treatment either, and the Atlanta city folk type don't take too kindly to the likes of him.

There was a caricature in our local newspaper yesterday. In it a judge yelled at a convict that he's screwed up his life with many felonies and that the only career option for him left would be to become the president of the U S. :o


Yup.  ::)


A president pardoning himself has certain constitutional ramifications, though as I understand it to accept a presidential pardon, you have to admit you did the crime, which is never going to happen for Trump.

But a president can only pardon federal crimes: the Georgia charges are state ones, so he couldn't pardon himself for those.
He'd probably be able to put in way more time in the office than he did first time around. Just not an Oval one. Though I think you left the "i" out ;-)

..but the time he spends on the golf course would probably be significantly reduced.




He doesn't understand that accepting a pardon means you admit you are guilty. He just sees it as a "get out of jail free" card. Nixon didn't understand that until after he accepted his pardon and when he did, he was furious.


Cat

He's supposed to be turning himself in at the Fulton County jail in Atlanta on Thursday. It's especially big news locally since I live in the area. They said they aren't going to give him any special treatment either, and the Atlanta city folk type don't take too kindly to the likes of him.

I wonder what his meals will be?

He's supposed to be turning himself in at the Fulton County jail in Atlanta on Thursday. It's especially big news locally since I live in the area. They said they aren't going to give him any special treatment either, and the Atlanta city folk type don't take too kindly to the likes of him.

Yep... I heard that he got his mug shot taken today. ::)

Let the memes begin.


Cat

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/08/25/multimedia/24trump-georgia-mugshot/25themorning-mug-fjqg-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/08/25/multimedia/24trump-georgia-mugshot/25themorning-mug-fjqg-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale


Don is now selling T-shirts, mugs, and other stuff at his website, adorned with the photo.  8)

Don is now selling T-shirts, mugs, and other stuff at his website, adorned with the photo.  8)

Why he never smiles? ;D

Don is now selling T-shirts, mugs, and other stuff at his website, adorned with the photo.  8)

"Mugs" - so very appropriate

But hardly surprising he's trying to monetize.. does anyone still believe the "billionaire" schtick?

"Mugs" - so very appropriate

But hardly surprising he's trying to monetize.. does anyone still believe the "billionaire" schtick?


Yeah, he went to a bail bonds. Though it could be part of his mantra-use other people's money. The guy is such a con artist and I can't believe after all this time people STILL love him.


Cat

My company has this piece of Trump memorabilia hanging in our Executive Conference Room.  8)

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2018_42/2605311/181015-andy-thomas-paiting-the-republican-club-se-408p.jpg

I’ll have to see if we can get a Trump mug set too.

My company has this piece of Trump memorabilia hanging in our Executive Conference Room.  8)

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2018_42/2605311/181015-andy-thomas-paiting-the-republican-club-se-408p.jpg

I’ll have to see if we can get a Trump mug set too.


If they are playing cards, he probably has 5 aces up his sleeve or has a deck of marked cards.


Cat

My company has this piece of Trump memorabilia hanging in our Executive Conference Room.  8)

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2018_42/2605311/181015-andy-thomas-paiting-the-republican-club-se-408p.jpg

I’ll have to see if we can get a Trump mug set too.
Trump hanging in the Executive Conference Room?

"Mugs" - so very appropriate

But hardly surprising he's trying to monetize.. does anyone still believe the "billionaire" schtick?

People are trying to buy his stuff so he can get the money to be bailed out of jail.

Former US President Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty in his Georgia election fraud case, waiving the right to appear in court next week.

BREAKING
Donald Trump "repeatedly" misrepresented his wealth - by up to $3.6bn (£3bn) - to banks and insurers, a New York judge has ruled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66931855

BREAKING
Donald Trump "repeatedly" misrepresented his wealth - by up to $3.6bn (£3bn) - to banks and insurers, a New York judge has ruled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66931855

Do judges also rule on bears' arboreal defecation habits, or the catholicism of the Pope?

Not part of his criminal indictments, as I understand it, but what do people make of the judge's summary judgment regarding the Trump family's long-term fraudulent behaviour?

Is this their indisputably illegal behaviour finally catching up with them, or a "weaponised justice department"?

Have to admit, I did find their attempted defence of "oh, nobody should believe what we tell them. They should do their due diligence" somewhat baffling. But I guess it's hard to defend pretending ones properties are many times their actual size and value.

Not part of his criminal indictments, as I understand it, but what do people make of the judge's summary judgment regarding the Trump family's long-term fraudulent behaviour?

Is this their indisputably illegal behaviour finally catching up with them, or a "weaponised justice department"?

Have to admit, I did find their attempted defence of "oh, nobody should believe what we tell them. They should do their due diligence" somewhat baffling. But I guess it's hard to defend pretending ones properties are many times their actual size and value.


For me, my feelings is, it's about time. It is so obvious that he who shall not be named is a liar and a con man. What I don't understand is why people continue to believe him. Why do banks continue to give him loans? Why do lawyers and contractors continue to work for him when he never pays them? And why does he still have so many followers who refuse to see the fraud that he is when it is staring them in the face?


Cat

For me, my feelings is, it's about time. It is so obvious that he who shall not be named is a liar and a con man. What I don't understand is why people continue to believe him. Why do banks continue to give him loans? Why do lawyers and contractors continue to work for him when he never pays them? And why does he still have so many followers who refuse to see the fraud that he is when it is staring them in the face?


Cat

And also why he don't get a haircut? ::)

For me, my feelings is, it's about time. It is so obvious that he who shall not be named is a liar and a con man. What I don't understand is why people continue to believe him. Why do banks continue to give him loans? Why do lawyers and contractors continue to work for him when he never pays them? And why does he still have so many followers who refuse to see the fraud that he is when it is staring them in the face?

At this point I believe it has become some sort of religion. His followers think he's the second coming of the messiah and no matter what he can't do wrong and has to be worshiped.
It's just like believers of conspiracy theories. You just can't get through to these people anymore. They have abandoned all logic and reason and just want to believe.
Maybe it gives them a sense of comfort and belonging. ???

At this point I believe it has become some sort of religion. His followers think he's the second coming of the messiah and no matter what he can't do wrong and has to be worshiped.
It's just like believers of conspiracy theories. You just can't get through to these people anymore. They have abandoned all logic and reason and just want to believe.
Maybe it gives them a sense of comfort and belonging. ???


And they are passing it off as Christianity. You have to believe and think 100% like them or you are considered "unsaved" and doomed to spend eternity in Hell, while they will all go to "Republican Heaven". In recent years their beliefs include that masks and vaccines for COVID are the devil and that Russia/Putin is the good one fighting against the evil Ukrainian nazis. They also believe January 6 was a fight to protect our freedom, and that Trump's indictments is just like when Jesus was arrested and then crucified by the people who didn't agree with Him.

And also why he don't get a haircut? ::)



He doesn't have much hair. What you are seeing is just a combover.



At this point I believe it has become some sort of religion. His followers think he's the second coming of the messiah and no matter what he can't do wrong and has to be worshiped.
It's just like believers of conspiracy theories. You just can't get through to these people anymore. They have abandoned all logic and reason and just want to believe.
Maybe it gives them a sense of comfort and belonging. ???


Another word is cult. But it isn't just his worshippers. There are "sane" people who will do his bidding. Like I said before, banks who have continued to give him $$$, members of Congress who will say one thing about him in private and another in public, and lawyers who continue to do his bidding when they see his other lawyers not being paid and ending up in prison.

The Republicans could have gotten rid of him once & for all back in 2021 but they didn't have the cojones. Now they are wringing their hands trying to figure out how to get rid of the monster they created. They are trying to find a substitute for him going into the 2024 election and the rest of the candidates are a joke. I watch the Republican debate the other night and it was pretty much a shouting match. The didn't talk about pressing issues like the government shutdown that will happen as of midnight tonight. They were arguing about other pressing issues like who bought curtains. I'm not making that up. Tim Scott & Nikki Haley were arguing about curtains.

The Republican Party is a mess and they have no one to blame but themselves. There have been many who have left the party while others still call themselves Republicans but voted for and will vote for Joe Biden.


Cat

His fraud trial begins today in NYC.

Now he's saying he's willing to go to jail, lol

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Now he's saying he's willing to go to jail, lol

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Now that's stupid!

Now he's saying he's willing to go to jail, lol

Well, that would make America great again. 8)
;)

Any news on this aspect?

What's all this about hating flies?

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Ivanka Trump will have to testify in a business fraud case against her father and brothers, a New York judge ruled.

Ivanka Trump will have to testify in a business fraud case against her father and brothers, a New York judge ruled.


Who throws who under the bus?


Cat

Donald Trump is testifying in a New York court as he battles a civil fraud trial that threatens his real estate empire. He has repeatedly clashed with the judge, who asked Trump's lawyers to 'control your client'. The former president is accused of massively inflating the value of properties by over $2bn (£1.65bn) in order to secure favourable loans.

Who throws who under the bus?


Cat
This begs the question, who is driving the bus?

Has the judge thrown the book at him yet?

Has the judge thrown the book at him yet?

And when are they gonna handcuff him and throw him in a jail cell?  ::)

Former US President Donald Trump clashed repeatedly with a judge while testifying in New York at a civil fraud trial that threatens his property empire.

Has the judge thrown the book at him yet?

I’d sure love to see that.

I’d sure love to see that.

Me too.

This begs the question, who is driving the bus?

Engoron, presumably :-)

Donald is such a whiny little baby, though, with all the emotional maturity and self control of a tantruming toddler. Of all the idols to worship, the GOP picked a strange one.

...and Don Jr & Eric: you can tell they were given a script, & are a lot better at sticking to it than their father. The age-old buck passing that "businessmen" use, "not my fault, it was those pesky accountants": you'd think that anyone claiming to have such little knowledge of the company they control would be laughed out of court. Literally.

Engoron, presumably :-)

Donald is such a whiny little baby, though, with all the emotional maturity and self control of a tantruming toddler. Of all the idols to worship, the GOP picked a strange one.



https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/4a3/d6b/8ee645d34df465d902086f166fff16ddaa-donald-trump-balloon.rhorizontal.w700.jpg


Cat

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/4a3/d6b/8ee645d34df465d902086f166fff16ddaa-donald-trump-balloon.rhorizontal.w700.jpg


Cat
One wonders if the balloon is still available, or now installed in a museum?

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/03/19/lens/19xp-waxfigure-photo/19xp-waxfigure-photo-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg
How about a wax statue of him?

One wonders if the balloon is still available, or now installed in a museum?
I just hope that Trump will get send into a museum soon. ::)

I just hope that Trump will get send into a museum soon. ::)


One with bars. I want to see him in an orange jumpsuit to match his face.


Cat

The Colorado Supreme Court has removed him from the ballot, deeming that he is ineligible due to the insurrection ban.

The Colorado Supreme Court has removed him from the ballot, deeming that he is ineligible due to the insurrection ban.

Amen to that!

Yep, that had to do with the 14th Amendment.

The Colorado Supreme Court has removed him from the ballot, deeming that he is ineligible due to the insurrection ban.

Good, I'm happy for that.

The Colorado Supreme Court has removed him from the ballot, deeming that he is ineligible due to the insurrection ban.
We all know what the Supreme Court of the US will do with that verdict. ::)

BTW could the judges that were appointed by Trump even be put on that case as they surely could not be considered unbiased? ???

We all know what the Supreme Court of the US will do with that verdict. ::)

It would be incredibly, overwhelmingly hypocritical for the Supreme Court "originalists" to try and pretend that the drafters of the 14th Amendment were thinking of something completely different, so it somehow doesn't apply; or that states' rights which apply to things like abortion don't count here - it would take quite jawdropping double-standards.

So yes, I fully expect Alito, Thomas, etm. to overturn the Colorado ruling. Sigh.

Here in Germany there are laws that prohibit judges with a personal connection to an involved party to judge over them. Is that the case in the US too?

Here in Germany there are laws that prohibit judges with a personal connection to an involved party to judge over them. Is that the case in the US too?

For the US Supreme Court, I think it's more like an ethical expectation: nothing with the force of law. Otherwise Clarence Thomas would be in legal doodoo & probably in jail.

But having been raised to the highest court in the land, judges are expected to have the highest ethical standards and recuse themselves if they have any kind of personal interest in a case. And we've all seen how that has played out over the past few years.

Donald Trump has angrily denied claims by the director of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York that he bullied his way into a now famous cameo.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16536/production/_132164419_2ak18xn.jpg.webp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67834817

Donald Trump has angrily denied claims by the director of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York that he bullied his way into a now famous cameo.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16536/production/_132164419_2ak18xn.jpg.webp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67834817

How was he able to do that?

How was he able to do that?
He was then, the owner of the Plaza Hotel...

Donald Trump has angrily denied claims by the director of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York that he bullied his way into a now famous cameo.

It wouldn't surprise me. I heard that the character of Biff in Back to the Future Part II when he was rich and powerful in the alternate reality 1985 was created after his image. He even looked like with with the blue suit, hairstyle, etc.

The Colorado Supreme Court has removed him from the ballot, deeming that he is ineligible due to the insurrection ban.

And today the state of Maine announced the decision to ban him from the ballot.

Story here

And today the state of Maine announced the decision to ban him from the ballot.

Story here


2 down, 48 to go.


Cat

2 down, 48 to go.


Cat

Haven't a couple of states decided the other way?

It's kinda weird that a federal constitutional issue is being decided in individual states, and that partisan officials get to make the determination in some cases. If ever there were a case that should start and end in the Supreme Court, you might think this was it.  I can't wait to see what mental hoops the "constitutional literalists" are going to jump through to try and convince themselves that he should stay on the ballot: the language is as clear as any, and Trump's behaviour fits the description. It would be a truly delightful irony, though, if the judges he appointed decided he was ineligible. Not convinced Kavanaugh has the cojones to stand up to Trump, though. I guess we'll see before very long.

Haven't a couple of states decided the other way?

It's kinda weird that a federal constitutional issue is being decided in individual states, and that partisan officials get to make the determination in some cases. If ever there were a case that should start and end in the Supreme Court, you might think this was it.  I can't wait to see what mental hoops the "constitutional literalists" are going to jump through to try and convince themselves that he should stay on the ballot: the language is as clear as any, and Trump's behaviour fits the description. It would be a truly delightful irony, though, if the judges he appointed decided he was ineligible. Not convinced Kavanaugh has the cojones to stand up to Trump, though. I guess we'll see before very long.


Technically, the states AGs are decided if he can be on the ballot for the Primary which is run at the state level. States run their own primaries which is why some have elections and some have caucuses. I am not too sure what will happen in Colorado & Maine if Trump becomes the GOP nominee if they can keep him off the ballot in Nov. since that is a Federal election and not a state one.


Cat

He's now being ordered to pay $83.3M to E. Jean Carroll for defamation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jury-orders-trump-to-pay-e-jean-carroll-83-million-for-defamation/ar-BB1hjtNS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=d7e8638d026d41f99f34ca19f0585ba6&ei=9

I guess we know where his campaign donations are going to this time around

I guess we know where his campaign donations are going to this time around


A yup! I was thinking the same thing.


Cat

He's now being ordered to pay $83.3M to E. Jean Carroll for defamation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jury-orders-trump-to-pay-e-jean-carroll-83-million-for-defamation/ar-BB1hjtNS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=d7e8638d026d41f99f34ca19f0585ba6&ei=9
How much?

How much?

It's right there in my post, $83.3 million (abbreviated as 83.3M; the M stands for million).

It's right there in my post, $83.3 million (abbreviated as 83.3M; the M stands for million).
For that amount it must be a serious case?

For that amount it must be a serious case?

He sexually assaulted a woman, then lied about it (and her) in a manner that constituted libel; having been found guilty of that, he further libelled her in his post-verdict statement.

He was dumb enough to try the "I've never met her and she's not my type" defence, but when shown a photo that contained both E Jean Carroll and his wife at the time, misidentified one as the other.

The large majority of that 83mil are punitive damages. Which, IMHO, is very appropriate

He sexually assaulted a woman, then lied about it (and her) in a manner that constituted libel; having been found guilty of that, he further libelled her in his post-verdict statement.

He was dumb enough to try the "I've never met her and she's not my type" defence, but when shown a photo that contained both E Jean Carroll and his wife at the time, misidentified one as the other.

The large majority of that 83mil are punitive damages. Which, IMHO, is very appropriate


I'm wondering if he can keep his mouth shut or if she is going to get more. As Rachel Maddow would say, watch this space!


Cat

From Trump's own court filings, it's looking very much like he pretended to have a $50m loan to avoid, or rather "evade", tax

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-dollar50-million-mystery-debt-looks-like-tax-evasion/

Is anyone even the teeniest bit surprised?

Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68026175

Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68026175

jail time? ???

Donald Trump does not have presidential immunity and can be prosecuted on charges of plotting to overturn the 2020 election, a US court has ruled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68026175


That was one of those "well, duh" moments: the whole argument was bollocks (and extremely hypocritical bollocks, when you consider what Trump is talking about the "Biden crime family" - though that has always looked a great deal like projection to me)

It was this date (February 9th) in 2021, when the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump began. Was there any learnt from this?

It was this date (February 9th) in 2021, when the second impeachment trial of Donald Trump began. Was there any learnt from this?


Unfortunately, no. It was a chance for the GOP to get rid of Trump once and for all but Mitch McConnell is too much of a coward. Susan Collins of Maine said that she thought he learned his lesson but the lesson he learned was that he can get away with it.

Talk about Teflon Don. The guy has never been held accountable for anything in his life! EXCEPT now he has in the E Jean Carroll case. But he really should be in prison for what he did to her and other women.

I hope his comeuppance is coming.


Cat

Yesterday he was hit with a heavy fine: 350-someodd million dollars! (Some sources say $354M, some say $355M; I think I came across one that said $364M.)

Well that kinda means the Republicans are going to have to try extra hard with their election fundraising

...or he's going to try and offer to pay it back at $50 a month

From what I understood he can still appeal it. So it's not going into effect any time soon if ever.

Besides I have a feeling that Count Vlad will make sure he'll get enough funds for a massive campaign.

From what I understood he can still appeal it. So it's not going into effect any time soon if ever.

Besides I have a feeling that Count Vlad will make sure he'll get enough funds for a massive campaign.


I see you have been using my term, "Count Vlad." I have called him that for years. (Carlos started calling him that after he heard me call him that.) The name fits.


Cat

I see you have been using my term, "Count Vlad." I have called him that for years. (Carlos started calling him that after he heard me call him that.) The name fits.
The name fits. It's quite possible I picked it up from you or Carlos.
And I'm not going to pay royalties. ;P

I see you have been using my term, "Count Vlad." I have called him that for years. (Carlos started calling him that after he heard me call him that.) The name fits.

Cat


We had a Russian guy named Vladimir who worked at my company for a few years, he was hired by the owner as a favor to his wife. Guy did jack nothing but the boss kept him on, just to keep peace with wifey.

We called him Vlad the Impaler. ;D

The name fits. It's quite possible I picked it up from you or Carlos.
And I'm not going to pay royalties. ;P


Oh man. Here I was hoping for royalties.  :D ;D


Cat

His “hush money” trial is underway this morning.

If he does go to jail, who will bail him out? Melania? The Trump Brothers or maybe his colleagues? ???

If he does go to jail, who will bail him out? Melania? The Trump Brothers or maybe his colleagues? ???



His supporters. They are paying for his legal bills right now when they buy his sneakers, his Bible, his NFTs, and whatever else he puts his name on.


Cat

His supporters. They are paying for his legal bills right now when they buy his sneakers, his Bible, his NFTs, and whatever else he puts his name on.

And the shares in the so ironically named "Truth Social" - a company with a tiny pittance as revenue that has lost money consistently and shows no sign of ever making profit floated as though it is worth billions.. the brainless bought the shares initially to push the market cap over $10B, making him for a few days/weeks (on paper, at least) the billionaire he has always claimed to be. But with almost zero chance of turning that pretend money into the real stuff: if he were to try selling any significant portion of his shares, the share price would fall quicker than a ballistic missile on the second half of its trajectory. As it is, the shares are looking like they'll be pretty much worthless in weeks at most.

His supporters. They are paying for his legal bills right now when they buy his sneakers, his Bible, his NFTs, and whatever else he puts his name on.


Cat

Would you buy his sneakers?

And the shares in the so ironically named "Truth Social" - a company with a tiny pittance as revenue that has lost money consistently and shows no sign of ever making profit floated as though it is worth billions.. the brainless bought the shares initially to push the market cap over $10B, making him for a few days/weeks (on paper, at least) the billionaire he has always claimed to be. But with almost zero chance of turning that pretend money into the real stuff: if he were to try selling any significant portion of his shares, the share price would fall quicker than a ballistic missile on the second half of its trajectory. As it is, the shares are looking like they'll be pretty much worthless in weeks at most.



It is like watching a train wreck. You just can't look away. (Or should I get out the popcorn?)



Would you buy his sneakers?


Not no but HELL NO!!!

Why would you ask me such a question? You should know me well enough by now to know how I feel about "he who shall not be named."

Way back in 1998 when Carlos & I took our first cross-country trip together. We stopped in Las Vegas for a few hours. We were in one casino and then I had a horrible thought. I thought that we might be in one of his casinos and I told Carlos that we should go to a different one. I don't know if it was one of his but it turned out it was a good move because I won $300 in a slot machine in the second casino (and bragging rights). Yup, back then before he came down the escalator,  & before The Apprentice, I couldn't stand him.


Cat

And the shares in the so ironically named "Truth Social" - a company with a tiny pittance as revenue that has lost money consistently and shows no sign of ever making profit floated as though it is worth billions.. the brainless bought the shares initially to push the market cap over $10B, making him for a few days/weeks (on paper, at least) the billionaire he has always claimed to be. But with almost zero chance of turning that pretend money into the real stuff: if he were to try selling any significant portion of his shares, the share price would fall quicker than a ballistic missile on the second half of its trajectory. As it is, the shares are looking like they'll be pretty much worthless in weeks at most.


Because it's named that many of his supporters believe everything on there is true, and everything else is fake news. If he becomes president again Truth Social might just control all the news media outlets, kind of like the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's "1984".



It is like watching a train wreck. You just can't look away. (Or should I get out the popcorn?)


Not no but HELL NO!!!

Why would you ask me such a question? You should know me well enough by now to know how I feel about "he who shall not be named."

Way back in 1998 when Carlos & I took our first cross-country trip together. We stopped in Las Vegas for a few hours. We were in one casino and then I had a horrible thought. I thought that we might be in one of his casinos and I told Carlos that we should go to a different one. I don't know if it was one of his but it turned out it was a good move because I won $300 in a slot machine in the second casino (and bragging rights). Yup, back then before he came down the escalator,  & before The Apprentice, I couldn't stand him.


Cat


What about his bibles? (j/k, lol)  ;D

Because it's named that many of his supporters believe everything on there is true, and everything else is fake news. If he becomes president again Truth Social might just control all the news media outlets, kind of like the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's "1984".

What about his bibles? (j/k, lol)  ;D



;D ;D ;D


Cat

Because it's named that many of his supporters believe everything on there is true, and everything else is fake news. If he becomes president again Truth Social might just control all the news media outlets, kind of like the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's "1984".

What about his bibles? (j/k, lol)  ;D

I wouldn't buy his bibles.

I wouldn't buy his bibles.


Who's Bibles do you buy?  ???

Who's Bibles do you buy?  ???


I have one Bible that my mother gave me when I needed one for my Conformation Class. And she wrote an inscription. Today, I use it as reference.


Cat

I have one Bible that my mother gave me when I needed one for my Conformation Class. And she wrote an inscription. Today, I use it as reference.


Cat


I purchased a Bible in a Barnes & Noble once, and came across the interesting fact that Bibles are not subject to sales tax.

Who's Bibles do you buy?  ???

I don't read the bible nor do I own one, if I did I'd get it off the internet.

I don't read the bible nor do I own one, if I did I'd get it off the internet.


I have the Bible app on my phone. I still have a few paperback ones from high school, one of them is the King James Version.

I have the Bible app on my phone. I still have a few paperback ones from high school, one of them is the King James Version.


KJV was my Dad’s favorite.  :)

Yeah, mine is the King James version since my Confirmation class was in the Episcopal Church (Catholic-lite).


Cat

People have often wondered if William Shakespeare had any involvement in the most important writing project of his time, the translation  of the King James Bible.

William Shakespeare lived from 1564-1616.  The creation of the King James Bible began in the year 1610, the year in which Shakespeare would have been 46 years old.

If you turn to Psalm 46 in the King James Bible, and if you count exactly 46 words into the psalm, you find the word "shake."  If you count 46 words back from the end of that psalm, you will find the word "spear."

People have often wondered if William Shakespeare had any involvement in the most important writing project of his time, the translation  of the King James Bible.

William Shakespeare lived from 1564-1616.  The creation of the King James Bible began in the year 1610, the year in which Shakespeare would have been 46 years old.

If you turn to Psalm 46 in the King James Bible, and if you count exactly 46 words into the psalm, you find the word "shake."  If you count 46 words back from the end of that psalm, you will find the word "spear."



Interesting.


Cat

I have the Bible app on my phone. I still have a few paperback ones from high school, one of them is the King James Version.

What about the ones you read in church?

What about the ones you read in church?


Most churches have prayer books which are available in a shelf on the back of the pews for the congregation to read. At least in the Episcopal Church, there is a thingy (to sure what it is called) on the wall that will have a list of the prayers that will be read. Usually it will just have a page number.

Parts of the Bible is usually read by individuals in the front of the church and not by the congregation. The Bible that is used is usually very big and not easily carried. It sits on the lectern either bookmarked or open to the page to be read.


Cat

What about the ones you read in church?


I use my Bible app on my phone.

I use my Bible app on my phone.

Why read the bible when you have an app on your phone to read it.

Why read the bible when you have an app on your phone to read it.


I still read it, just like an e-book.

Why read the bible when you have an app on your phone to read it.


Do they have an online version of the Torah, so you don’t have to carry scrolls around?  ???

Do they have an online version of the Torah, so you don’t have to carry scrolls around?  ???

I will try to look that up.

Do they have an online version of the Torah, so you don’t have to carry scrolls around?  ???


The Torah is the same as the first 5 books of the Old Testament.


Cat

If he was to be sent to jail, how long would it be?

If he was to be sent to jail, how long would it be?


3 days, lol

3 days, lol

People want him to stay in jail for the next 10 years. ::)

If he is sent to jail for contempt, he can only be held for 30 days. But I do believe that is for every incident.

As for being sent to prison, as much as I would love to see that, I don't think it is going to happen unfortunately. The lame excuse that people use has to do with the secret service.  ::)


Cat

If he is sent to jail for contempt, he can only be held for 30 days. But I do believe that is for every incident.

As for being sent to prison, as much as I would love to see that, I don't think it is going to happen unfortunately. The lame excuse that people use has to do with the secret service.  ::)


Cat

I like to see him wear an orange jumpsuit like convicts do instead of wearing his everyday suits and ties.

I like to see him wear an orange jumpsuit like convicts do instead of wearing his everyday suits and ties.


Yup. An orange jumpsuit to match his face.


Cat

Yup. An orange jumpsuit to match his face.


Cat

Exactly as I was thinking!

Yup. An orange jumpsuit to match his face.


Cat

And someone to give him a haircut.

I hear Donny is mad cause they dont want him to speak......

I wonder why?? ;D

I hear Donny is mad cause they dont want him to speak......

I wonder why?? ;D

They figure he keep his mouth shut.

Yea I guess............


I read the judge made him give them $1000 cause he talked anyway....

What's been happening with him lately?

What's been happening with him lately?

The hush money trial is going on.

If there's no proof of a Trump and Stormy sextape then I'm not convinced.

If there's no proof of a Trump and Stormy sextape then I'm not convinced.


Not that I'd want to see that, lol. What about one with Trump and Marjorie Taylor-Greene?  ;D

8-P
If there's no proof of a Trump and Stormy sextape then I'm not convinced.

That would be worthy of its own gag order  8-P

8-PThat would be worthy of its own gag order  8-P


He would probably talk the entire time, bragging about how no one has done it better than him, shouting his second sentence which means the same thing as his first but worded differently.

Not that I'd want to see that, lol. What about one with Trump and Marjorie Taylor-Greene?  ;D

What's the other porn actress's name?

8-PThat would be worthy of its own gag order  8-P

I know, I don't think it would be worth watching not for the amount of money someone would pay you to view it.

He would probably talk the entire time, bragging about how no one has done it better than him, shouting his second sentence which means the same thing as his first but worded differently.

And everything would be huge.  ;D

The hush money trial is going on.


Paying someone hush money is not illegal. What is illegal is falsifying records to cover up paying someone hush money. And that is what he is on trial for-falsifying records.


Cat

Paying someone hush money is not illegal. What is illegal is falsifying records to cover up paying someone hush money. And that is what he is on trial for-falsifying records.


Cat

That I knew.

Paying someone hush money is not illegal. What is illegal is falsifying records to cover up paying someone hush money. And that is what he is on trial for-falsifying records.


Cat

And seeing as someone has already gone to prison for it, it's hard to argue no crime was committed.

From evidence so far, it looks to me like they have shown that it was intended to help his election prospects, and that Trump knew all about it. The only reason for finding him not guilty would be if the jury don't believe the witnesses.

And seeing as someone has already gone to prison for it, it's hard to argue no crime was committed.

From evidence so far, it looks to me like they have shown that it was intended to help his election prospects, and that Trump knew all about it. The only reason for finding him not guilty would be if the jury don't believe the witnesses.

So he's not spending time in jail?

So he's not spending time in jail?


Even if he is found guilty, he probably won't be sent to prison because of the Secret Service. He still has Secret Service protection and it would be difficult to provide him that service behind bars. They may put him on home confinement. Of course he will whine how it will interfere with his running for pres. And being convicted and even being in prison does not disqualify one from running or even becoming pres.


Cat

Even if he is found guilty, he probably won't be sent to prison because of the Secret Service. He still has Secret Service protection and it would be difficult to provide him that service behind bars. They may put him on home confinement. Of course he will whine how it will interfere with his running for pres. And being convicted and even being in prison does not disqualify one from running or even becoming pres.


Cat

How about putting Stormy in jail?

How about putting Stormy in jail?


For what? She didn't do anything illegal.


Cat

Even if he is found guilty, he probably won't be sent to prison because of the Secret Service.



“Bubba the cellmate” would be well advised to steer clear from the Secret Service guys.

For what? She didn't do anything illegal.


Cat


Howard is always very eager for people to go to jail. He has posted "when is Trump going to jail", "Trump should be in jail", etc, more than 250 times on this site, even when Trump wasn't actually on trial. And now Stormy Daniels, who is also not on trial. He reminds me of the Red Queen in "Alice In Wonderland" who was always shouting "off with their heads!".  ;D  Just kidding Howard, but I'd hate for you to be on the jury if I was on trial.  ;)

Howard is always very eager for people to go to jail. He has posted "when is Trump going to jail", "Trump should be in jail", etc, more than 250 times on this site, even when Trump wasn't actually on trial. And now Stormy Daniels, who is also not on trial. He reminds me of the Red Queen in "Alice In Wonderland" who was always shouting "off with their heads!".  ;D  Just kidding Howard, but I'd hate for you to be on the jury if I was on trial.  ;)


Well, Trump should be in jail for multiple crimes-some he hasn't been indicated for.


Cat

Well, Trump should be in jail for multiple crimes-some he hasn't been indicated for.


Cat


But we cannot be judge and jury. Due process must take place. The Constitution guarantees that right to every US citizen.

But we cannot be judge and jury. Due process must take place. The Constitution guarantees that right to every US citizen.


Yeah, I know. I just want him to be held accountable for something!


Cat

For what? She didn't do anything illegal.


Cat


I don't know, who do you blame?

I don't know, who do you blame?


Blame for what?


Cat

Yeah, I know. I just want him to be held accountable for something!


Cat

Agreed!!

Blame for what?


Cat

Was Stormy the one who wanted to have sex or was it Donald?

Was Stormy the one who wanted to have sex or was it Donald?


It was Donald. Stormy didn't want to but she believed she didn't have a choice. He was blocking her exit and his body guard was outside the door. It wasn't exactly rape but it was coerced-unconsentual.


Cat

It was Donald. Stormy didn't want to but she believed she didn't have a choice. He was blocking her exit and his body guard was outside the door. It wasn't exactly rape but it was coerced-unconsentual.


Cat


Just to set the record straight, that's not what she told Bill Maher in an interview on his show in 2018. He reran it on his show last week and called her "a bad witness", I watched it myself. Look it up on HBO on Demand. 

This is what she said in the 2018 interview with Bill Maher, reprinted here by the Toronto Times at https://torontosun.com/news/world/bad-witness-bill-maher-digs-up-old-stormy-daniels-interview-to-slam-her-testimony-in-trump-trial.

“You say it’s not a Me Too case,” Maher said to her during their sit-down six years ago.

“It’s not a Me Too case,” Daniels responded. “I wasn’t assaulted. I wasn’t attacked, or raped, or coerced or blackmailed.”

She continued: “They tried to shove me in the Me Too box to further their own agenda. And first of all, I didn’t want to be part of that because it’s not the truth and I’m not a victim in that regard.”

Maher said of the old footage, “That’s not what she’s saying now.”

Like I said, you can see her say all this on video on Real Time With Bill Maher. It's not what she says now. So either then or now she is lying.

It was Donald. Stormy didn't want to but she believed she didn't have a choice. He was blocking her exit and his body guard was outside the door. It wasn't exactly rape but it was coerced-unconsentual.


Cat

If only there was a tape out there that proves that shows the evidence.

If only there was a tape out there that proves that shows the evidence.


Please Howard! Get your mind out of the gutter!


Cat

Just to set the record straight, that's not what she told Bill Maher in an interview on his show in 2018. He reran it on his show last week and called her "a bad witness", I watched it myself. Look it up on HBO on Demand. 

This is what she said in the 2018 interview with Bill Maher, reprinted here by the Toronto Times at https://torontosun.com/news/world/bad-witness-bill-maher-digs-up-old-stormy-daniels-interview-to-slam-her-testimony-in-trump-trial.

“You say it’s not a Me Too case,” Maher said to her during their sit-down six years ago.

“It’s not a Me Too case,” Daniels responded. “I wasn’t assaulted. I wasn’t attacked, or raped, or coerced or blackmailed.”

She continued: “They tried to shove me in the Me Too box to further their own agenda. And first of all, I didn’t want to be part of that because it’s not the truth and I’m not a victim in that regard.”

Maher said of the old footage, “That’s not what she’s saying now.”

Like I said, you can see her say all this on video on Real Time With Bill Maher. It's not what she says now. So either then or now she is lying.


Point taken.


Cat

Please Howard! Get your mind out of the gutter!


Cat

I'm sorry Cat, I'll get my mind out the gutter. :(

It was Donald. Stormy didn't want to but she believed she didn't have a choice. He was blocking her exit and his body guard was outside the door. It wasn't exactly rape but it was coerced-unconsentual.


Cat


As Whoopi Goldberg might say, “it wasn’t like rape rape.” 

Just to set the record straight, that's not what she told Bill Maher in an interview on his show in 2018. He reran it on his show last week and called her "a bad witness", I watched it myself. Look it up on HBO on Demand. 

This is what she said in the 2018 interview with Bill Maher, reprinted here by the Toronto Times at https://torontosun.com/news/world/bad-witness-bill-maher-digs-up-old-stormy-daniels-interview-to-slam-her-testimony-in-trump-trial.

“You say it’s not a Me Too case,” Maher said to her during their sit-down six years ago.

“It’s not a Me Too case,” Daniels responded. “I wasn’t assaulted. I wasn’t attacked, or raped, or coerced or blackmailed.”

She continued: “They tried to shove me in the Me Too box to further their own agenda. And first of all, I didn’t want to be part of that because it’s not the truth and I’m not a victim in that regard.”

Maher said of the old footage, “That’s not what she’s saying now.”

Like I said, you can see her say all this on video on Real Time With Bill Maher. It's not what she says now. So either then or now she is lying.

She has a choice, a swift kick to the balls should do it.

Results are coming in

The jury has found former US President Donald Trump GUILTY of falsifying business records to conceal a hush-money payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

Also guilty on counts 2, 3, 4 and 5

Edited to add

GUILTY on all 34 charges

That's Guilty!  Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty!

https://images.dailykos.com/images/738909/story_image/guilty001.jpg?1573989821

What happens next?  He's scheduled to be sentenced July 11.  Will there be an appeal?  Almost certainly.  How will all this affect the election?  Who knows.

Edited to add

GUILTY on all 34 charges

Why am I not surprised? >:D

This is probably the greatest day in the history of the American Criminal Justice System. We all knew from day one he was guilty, and now the jury has made it official.

These are the lowest level of felony, and only ten percent of them ever lead to jail time. But with 34 charges, bad behavior and gag order violations, Donny might spend a little time behind bars.

Results are coming in

The jury has found former US President Donald Trump GUILTY of falsifying business records to conceal a hush-money payment made to former porn star Stormy Daniels.

Also guilty on counts 2, 3, 4 and 5

Edited to add

GUILTY on all 34 charges

Now we'll see how much jail time he'll get.

This is probably the greatest day in the history of the American Criminal Justice System. We all knew from day one he was guilty, and now the jury has made it official.

These are the lowest level of felony, and only ten percent of them ever lead to jail time. But with 34 charges, bad behavior and gag order violations, Donny might spend a little time behind bars.

Well, he can and will appeal it so nothing was really done today except symbolism. At this point I'm not even sure it will hurt him. Reality doesn't seem to be important in US elections anymore it's just us vs them...

Of course he will appeal. As for going to jail, that might be tricky because of the secret service but it could be done. Most likely, he will be on home confinement but probably won't be too much of a punishment for him. He will have to sit at Mar-A-Largo while his minions will all go to kiss his ring. Oh wait, they already do that.

We will have to wait until July 11th for the sentencing. In the meanwhile, he is free to go anywhere and do anything. The fly in the ointment could be the Supreme Court. They could rule that he could be immune to be held accountable for anything but if they do, I think SCOTUS will be entering dangerous territory but that is another issue.


Cat

Of course he will appeal. As for going to jail, that might be tricky because of the secret service but it could be done. Most likely, he will be on home confinement but probably won't be too much of a punishment for him. He will have to sit at Mar-A-Largo while his minions will all go to kiss his ring. Oh wait, they already do that.

We will have to wait until July 11th for the sentencing. In the meanwhile, he is free to go anywhere and do anything. The fly in the ointment could be the Supreme Court. They could rule that he could be immune to be held accountable for anything but if they do, I think SCOTUS will be entering dangerous territory but that is another issue.


Cat

What's preventing him from heading to jail?

What's preventing him from heading to jail?



Politics.


Cat

The Trump campaign has raised $34.8MM of funds since yesterday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

What's preventing him from heading to jail?




Politics.


Cat


Uh, how about the fact that he hasn't been sentenced yet? And then there will be an appeal. Due process must play.

The Trump campaign has raised $34.8MM of funds since yesterday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

Maybe that'll pay for some better lawyers for his appeal

I know there's speculation that Donald directed his defence team, but of all the potential holes in the prosecution's case, they cunningly navigated around all of them. Based on what was presented in court, I don't think any other verdict was possible

http://www.amiright.com/parody/70s/tammywynette11.shtml