Seeing the grandkids and giving hugs.


Cat
Aww thats sweet to hear 😊 I want free hugs too :c

Keep in mind, normal will not be "normal" for some time. Things won't just "snap back". There will definitely be a transition period.  Restaurants, small businesses, have gone under and vanished. It will be like New Orleans after Katrina. Things have to be rebuilt. People aren't going to be just running willy-nilly into the streets. No way.
I know, but I meant a new normal, kinda like where we are able to go hangout with friends again or party outside, not social distance and come in crowds, etc. :P Yes there will be major damages after the pandemic with businesses and the economy but I meant lifestyle

Yeah it will probably take at least another year. Many places are under lockdown right now as well.
Yeah sadly  :\'( I'm still hopeful though

Let's see what Newspunch.com is.
An excerpt from Wikipedia (highlight by me)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsPunch
The rest of the article is very interesting to read too.


Mediabiasfactcheck rates it at "Very low" which is the worst possible rating.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/news-punch/

The newspunch article comes along with a list of random side effects without mentioning anything about them like how often they occur, what type of people would get them or which medication can cause what. Absolute zero info in that list just scaremongering. (strange I thought we were the ones living in fear...)
As for the numbers I have to look into how accurate they are later but the biggest question is not answered anyway and that is how many people would have died or died sooner without those drugs?
Without that number the whole article becomes useless fear mongering.


Oh there are MANY links on deaths in world from drug interactions and failed surgeries, believe what you wish, you do anyway. 

I know, but I meant a new normal, kinda like where we are able to go hangout with friends again or party outside, not social distance and come in crowds, etc. :P Yes there will be major damages after the pandemic with businesses and the economy but I meant lifestyle

That may still take awhile in most places. The change back to normal will be gradual. It could take another year.

That may still take awhile in most places. The change back to normal will be gradual. It could take another year.
Yeah, but hey, I know we shouldn't celebrate too early but that's a sign that we might recover from 2020 problems 😀😅

Ok, I'll admit, things did go back to half-normal in Saskatchewan and Manitoba around May/June till Late October/November. Cases were down to double digits in my province, and we were allowed to travel to Manitoba in July, when they only had 11 active cases. We went to malls, but we still had to social distance, and shops limited the capacity for people (Up to 5 in small shops like The Source or Gucci, and up to 50 in bigger shops like Winners or Chapters). 80% of us still wore masks but people were hanging out with friends in groups, and restaurants were lined up albeit social distanced, and tables were crossed off or not allowed for usage.

Yeah, but hey, I know we shouldn't celebrate too early but that's a sign that we might recover from 2020 problems 😀😅

Ok, I'll admit, things did go back to half-normal in Saskatchewan and Manitoba around May/June till Late October/November. Cases were down to double digits in my province, and we were allowed to travel to Manitoba in July, when they only had 11 active cases. We went to malls, but we still had to social distance, and shops limited the capacity for people (Up to 5 in small shops like The Source or Gucci, and up to 50 in bigger shops like Winners or Chapters). 80% of us still wore masks but people were hanging out with friends in groups, and restaurants were lined up albeit social distanced, and tables were crossed off or not allowed for usage.


Yeah, things were getting calm in the summer in Ontario as well. I went on vacation to a few lake towns and had fun. I don't want to say things were back to "normal"– I still avoided the 3Cs (closed, confined, crowded spaces) and spent my time outdoors, wore masks, sanitized etc–but I did not mind that at all. I actually enjoyed the slow, quiet paced summer. Usually summer is all hustle and bustle, loud, chaotic. This summer was calm and low-key.

What I can't tolerate is where we're at now with 8,000+ cases a day and 100+ deaths and overflowing hospitals  8-P If vaccines take us back to at least summer 2020 numbers I would not mind that at all, I can wait until 2022 for 100% normal if we can at least have some calm in the interim.

Yeah, things were getting calm in the summer in Ontario as well. I went on vacation to a few lake towns and had fun. I don't want to say things were back to "normal"– I still avoided the 3Cs (closed, confined, crowded spaces) and spent my time outdoors, wore masks, sanitized etc–but I did not mind that at all. I actually enjoyed the slow, quiet paced summer. Usually summer is all hustle and bustle, loud, chaotic. This summer was calm and low-key.

What I can't tolerate is where we're at now with 8,000+ cases a day and 100+ deaths and overflowing hospitals  8-P If vaccines take us back to at least summer 2020 numbers I would not mind that at all, I can wait until 2022 for 100% normal if we can at least have some calm in the interim.
Same, I agree.

Oh there are MANY links on deaths in world from drug interactions and failed surgeries, believe what you wish, you do anyway.

I don't deny that there are complications from prescription drugs I just said that we need additional numbers to put it into perspective. If that stuff heals or prolongs the life of 20 million who would have died and 100,000 die from it then it's still good that prescription drugs were around. But the site conveniently "forgets" to mention that because scare mongering to the blind sells (isn't that exactly what you are accusing us of?). I mean seriously that article had next to zero information and plenty of smoke and mirrors and someone with a working brain should see right through that with ease. I must wonder how comes that with all your wisdom you always end up on those garbage sites that a 12 year old should be able to identify as such? I mean seriously it's one garbage site after another and they are so easy to find out yet you fall for them. ???

Soo everyone, what are your plans once things go back to normal?


take off my mask and start visiting friends again.

Keep in mind, normal will not be "normal" for some time. Things won't just "snap back". There will definitely be a transition period.  Restaurants, small businesses, have gone under and vanished. It will be like New Orleans after Katrina. Things have to be rebuilt. People aren't going to be just running willy-nilly into the streets. No way.


It's a slow process so it won't be for a while.

Yeah it will probably take at least another year. Many places are under lockdown right now as well.


And there's still more restrictions too.

I know, but I meant a new normal, kinda like where we are able to go hangout with friends again or party outside, not social distance and come in crowds, etc. :P Yes there will be major damages after the pandemic with businesses and the economy but I meant lifestyle


Probably most likely during the springtime.

That may still take awhile in most places. The change back to normal will be gradual. It could take another year.


They probably will get rid of outdoor dining.

Yeah, things were getting calm in the summer in Ontario as well. I went on vacation to a few lake towns and had fun. I don't want to say things were back to "normal"– I still avoided the 3Cs (closed, confined, crowded spaces) and spent my time outdoors, wore masks, sanitized etc–but I did not mind that at all. I actually enjoyed the slow, quiet paced summer. Usually summer is all hustle and bustle, loud, chaotic. This summer was calm and low-key.

What I can't tolerate is where we're at now with 8,000+ cases a day and 100+ deaths and overflowing hospitals  8-P If vaccines take us back to at least summer 2020 numbers I would not mind that at all, I can wait until 2022 for 100% normal if we can at least have some calm in the interim.


Everything was nice and quiet and I liked that.

They probably will get rid of outdoor dining.


I think they would keep the outdoor dining areas as then you are out in the fresh air. Let the breeze blow the germs away.

I think they would keep the outdoor dining areas as then you are out in the fresh air. Let the breeze blow the germs away.
In Manitoba and Saskatchewan, fancy dining areas like Browns Social House or PF Changs were still open, although with huge compromises in the Summer ;D But we'll see, I hope they'll stay

Yeah, things were getting calm in the summer in Ontario as well. I went on vacation to a few lake towns and had fun. I don't want to say things were back to "normal"– I still avoided the 3Cs (closed, confined, crowded spaces) and spent my time outdoors, wore masks, sanitized etc–but I did not mind that at all. I actually enjoyed the slow, quiet paced summer. Usually summer is all hustle and bustle, loud, chaotic. This summer was calm and low-key.

What I can't tolerate is where we're at now with 8,000+ cases a day and 100+ deaths and overflowing hospitals  8-P If vaccines take us back to at least summer 2020 numbers I would not mind that at all, I can wait until 2022 for 100% normal if we can at least have some calm in the interim.

It was low key in Canada during the summer but in the US it was opposite with the rioting going on.

It was low key in Canada during the summer but in the US it was opposite with the rioting going on.


I think that was in May,  but it did cast a long shadow over the summer I imagine.

I think they would keep the outdoor dining areas as then you are out in the fresh air. Let the breeze blow the germs away.


I would keep the indoor dining for inside during the winter months and outside for the spring and summer months up until it gets very cold.

I would keep the indoor dining for inside during the winter months and outside for the spring and summer months up until it gets very cold.


They should install better ventilation first before allowing indoor dining. Have health inspectors do random spot checks, if air ventilation is poor it needs to shut down/outdoor dining only. Maybe install anemometers so customers can now how bad the airflow is.

In some places like New York they have indoor dining outside which completely defeats the purpose but is technically legal. I don't know why people would want to do that during winter. Plus there are safety concerns with putting heaters in tents. They even have some weird plastic bubbles at some restaurants set up outside. It's as if the more uncomfortable you are, the less likely Covid will catch you. ::)

They should install better ventilation first before allowing indoor dining. Have health inspectors do random spot checks, if air ventilation is poor it needs to shut down/outdoor dining only. Maybe install anemometers so customers can now how bad the airflow is.


Because I don't think people would want to eat outdoors during the cold winter months (December, January and February) I can see people eating outdoors during (March,April and May) and maybe when it's very hot they can install some cooling machines for the outside dining.

In some places like New York they have indoor dining outside which completely defeats the purpose but is technically legal. I don't know why people would want to do that during winter. Plus there are safety concerns with putting heaters in tents. They even have some weird plastic bubbles at some restaurants set up outside. It's as if the more uncomfortable you are, the less likely Covid will catch you. ::)


Exactly. I have seen some tents in parking lots here. I'm not sure how good the airflow is in there but it fits the letter of the law banning indoor dining. That's why I think it should be based on airflow with accurate measurements.

Because I don't think people would want to eat outdoors during the cold winter months (December, January and February) I can see people eating outdoors during (March,April and May) and maybe when it's very hot they can install some cooling machines for the outside dining.


If it is a clear sunny day, and I know I am going to be outside so have a big coat, I don’t mind sitting outside to eat. We did it all the time when we went skiing, much nicer than the indoor eating facilities in most ski places

If it is a clear sunny day, and I know I am going to be outside so have a big coat, I don’t mind sitting outside to eat. We did it all the time when we went skiing, much nicer than the indoor eating facilities in most ski places


Canada/northern US can have very brutal winters as you can imagine. Yesterday the high here was -6°C (21°F) and today it is -10°C (-14°F), not the most fun temperatures to have a hot meal in, and it gets even colder in January/February. :P

13 more days left.

I found a spreadsheet on Github containing the cumulative doses of the COVID-19 vaccine administered by province. Really cool!

https://github.com/ishaberry/Covid19Canada/blob/master/vaccine_administration_cumulative.csv

On y voit Québec en tête avec 3 300 doses administrées,  BC is seconds with 2,500 and Ontario at 2,300.

Moderna's vaccine has been approved for emergency use in Canada and America!!  :D Another icing on the cake

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.


If and when they make it available in The United States I'll take it and if there are side effects, I will have to deal with it.

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.
I hope you make a full and speedy recovery. One of my colleagues got it as well, thankfully while I was on vacation so I didn't catch it. :-[

I found a spreadsheet on Github containing the cumulative doses of the COVID-19 vaccine administered by province. Really cool!

https://github.com/ishaberry/Covid19Canada/blob/master/vaccine_administration_cumulative.csv

On y voit Québec en tête avec 3 300 doses administrées,  BC is seconds with 2,500 and Ontario at 2,300.


Thus far 26,000 doses of vaccine have been administered in Canada.

If everybody is to be vaccinated by September 2021 that means we would need 76 million doses (38 million people x 2 ) in 252 days. That's roughly 300,000 administrations a day, and we're only at 26,000 so far. They need to hurry up methinks.  :-X

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.
Damn... Get well soon 😊

Thank you all for your condolences.

Thus far 26,000 doses of vaccine have been administered in Canada.

If everybody is to be vaccinated by September 2021 that means we would need 76 million doses (38 million people x 2 ) in 252 days. That's roughly 300,000 administrations a day, and we're only at 26,000 so far. They need to hurry up methinks.  :-X


How about The United States too, Slow? ???

Thus far 26,000 doses of vaccine have been administered in Canada.

If everybody is to be vaccinated by September 2021 that means we would need 76 million doses (38 million people x 2 ) in 252 days. That's roughly 300,000 administrations a day, and we're only at 26,000 so far. They need to hurry up methinks.  :-X
This is the point when one realizes how many people we actually are in the world, right? You can produce doses by the hundred thousands per day and it would still take years to get the world immunized. It's mind blowing thinking about it.

6 more days left.

Only 150,000 inoculations in Canada so far. I hear at the rate we're going at we can get 80% of the population vaccinated by 2032. :P

Only 150,000 inoculations in Canada so far. I hear at the rate we're going at we can get 80% of the population vaccinated by 2032. :P
Doesn't look much better over here.... ::)

Doesn't look much better over here.... ::)


Wasn't it only approved last week in the EU? I'd say 400,000 in a week is not too bad. Although from my perspective pretty every country is doing better than us.  :-have the vaccines, they just didn't set up the logistics to get into arms.

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.


I hope you'll recover soon.  :\'(

Wasn't it only approved last week in the EU? I'd say 400,000 in a week is not too bad. Although from my perspective pretty every country is doing better than us.  :-have the vaccines, they just didn't set up the logistics to get into arms.
Here it's the other way around. The locations are set up, the teams are standing by but there is not nearly enough of the vaccine available so the centers aren't used yet and all that's happening right now are some mobile teams going to nursing homes to give the weakest the few shots they have.

I hope you'll recover soon.  :\'(


I already did (:

I already did (:
Yayy!!!  :)

I might as well take the vaccine whenever they're open to the public, since I'm not exactly afraid of the side effects anymore since I currently have Covid, and by then I think I'll be cured of it.
Good to hear that you have recovered from this nasty condition, but still please keep safe.

Wasn't it only approved last week in the EU? I'd say 400,000 in a week is not too bad. Although from my perspective pretty every country is doing better than us.  :-have the vaccines, they just didn't set up the logistics to get into arms.


That’s how it is here too. Small percentage of doses given vs what has been delivered. No logistics to get it done.

Here it's the other way around. The locations are set up, the teams are standing by but there is not nearly enough of the vaccine available so the centers aren't used yet and all that's happening right now are some mobile teams going to nursing homes to give the weakest the few shots they have.


I read today that the EU delayed approval of the Moderna vaccine, and so far has only approved the Pfizer/BioNTech one. That's probably why you guys are have that vaccine shortage. In Canada/US both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna are approved (and in the UK AstraZeneca-Oxford University vaccine also got approved).

Anyway, there's now a reliable vaccine queue calculator for Canada: https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-ca

My estimated inoculation date is between July and August 2021, assuming 70% of people are willing to get a vaccine. I was hoping to get it before the summer, but ah well. :P

Pfizers vaccine appears to be effective against N501Y, Britians new strain:

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pfizer-vaccine-appears-effective-against-new-covid-19-strain-in-uk-report-11610077404289.html

All adults in the U.K. are expected to have been vaccinated by September.

As well as local provision in community centres and doctors surgeries there have been several large vaccine centres opened across the country in places as varied as Blackburn cathedral and Epsom Downs racecourse.

All adults in the U.K. are expected to have been vaccinated by September.

As well as local provision in community centres and doctors surgeries there have been several large vaccine centres opened across the country in places as varied as Blackburn cathedral and Epsom Downs racecourse.


The UK's vaccination numbers are very impressive.

All adults in the U.K. are expected to have been vaccinated by September.

As well as local provision in community centres and doctors surgeries there have been several large vaccine centres opened across the country in places as varied as Blackburn cathedral and Epsom Downs racecourse.
Is vaccination mandatory in the UK? :o
I can't see every adult going to get it otherwise. Too many skeptics out there.

Is vaccination mandatory in the UK? :o
I can't see every adult going to get it otherwise. Too many skeptics out there.


No it isn’t mandatory.

Let’s say then that every adult will be offered the vaccine by September.

No it isn’t mandatory.

Let’s say then that every adult will be offered the vaccine by September.


Someone said that people working in grocery stores (like me) should get one too.

Someone said that people working in grocery stores (like me) should get one too.


There has been some discussion here in the U.K. as to whether it would be better to vaccinate people at work before older people.

The decision the government made was to work down from oldest to youngest (in general, certain long term conditions bump you up the list). With Covid the older you are means you are more likely to end up in hospital.

Still most people will be vaccinated by the end of the summer.

Just out of curiosity, how much does the vaccine cost in the USA?

There has been some discussion here in the U.K. as to whether it would be better to vaccinate people at work before older people.

The decision the government made was to work down from oldest to youngest (in general, certain long term conditions bump you up the list). With Covid the older you are means you are more likely to end up in hospital.

Still most people will be vaccinated by the end of the summer.

Just out of curiosity, how much does the vaccine cost in the USA?


As of right now I don't know, but Biden has promised that it will be free - we'll see

Is vaccination mandatory in the UK? :o
I can't see every adult going to get it otherwise. Too many skeptics out there.


It's going to be mandatory in Ontario if you want to visit crowded spaces like university lectures, cinemas, concerts etc.

There has been some discussion here in the U.K. as to whether it would be better to vaccinate people at work before older people.

The decision the government made was to work down from oldest to youngest (in general, certain long term conditions bump you up the list). With Covid the older you are means you are more likely to end up in hospital.

Still most people will be vaccinated by the end of the summer.

Just out of curiosity, how much does the vaccine cost in the USA?



Well, we'll see how many more of these news issues will be coming our way:

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/


And another one:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/55-americans-have-died-following-covid-vaccination-norway-deaths-rise-29

Well, we'll see how many more of these news issues will be coming our way:

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/


And another one:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/55-americans-have-died-following-covid-vaccination-norway-deaths-rise-29


The Ron Paul Institute?  Oh well...

Interestingly neither of these articles attributes the deaths to the vaccine.  After all, we are talking about very old people, they sometimes die.

You have a distinct tendency to allow others to convince you by suggesting causality due to correlation, a common logical fallacy used especially by conspiracy theorists.  Correlation nearly suggests the possibility  of  causation, but far from proves it

Well, we'll see how many more of these news issues will be coming our way:

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/

You are aware that the vaccination has been going on for months now in some parts of the world?
Shouldn't a lot of other nursing homes experience the same problem if it was due to the vaccine?
Well, they don't. So just by using your brain you can already tell that the article must be pure BS.

Oh and if you were actually interested in the full story he linked to his source:
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2021/01/covid-19-outbreak-at-auburn-nursing-home-infects-137-residents-kills-24.html
Here is the main part (highlight by me)

The outbreak at The Commons on St. Anthony in Auburn started Dec. 21 as a wave of post-Thanksgiving Covid-19 cases began hitting the county, said Julie Sheedy, an official of Loretto which operates the 300-bed nursing home.

Forty-seven employees have tested positive.
Further
The Commons gets a one-star rating, the lowest, from the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid. The one-star rating means the nursing home is considered much below average based on health inspections, staffing and quality of care.
What does this have to do with the vaccination? Did you even read that before you had to post it here? You said you question everything! What did you do to question the article before you posted it? You didn't even read the source material which yet again contradicted the article you posted! Happens pretty frequently, doesn't it? Just more lies, lies and more lies for the dumb and you eat them. What does that tell about you?


And another one:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/55-americans-have-died-following-covid-vaccination-norway-deaths-rise-29

42,000 people received the vaccine in Norway and 29 with massive health issues died. Serious enough to look into it sure, maybe a reason to not give it to elderly people with massive health issues but 41,971 people had no big issues and are now safe from Corona.
BTW jaminhealth since when do you care so much for the well being of the elderly with underlying conditions? You didn't seem to care for them when they got Covid...

I only read the Ron Paul institute article and the further article it linked to. Didn’t bother wasting my time with the second one.

Something you could ask yourself is if the health centre concerned believes the vaccine to have killed their residents why are they still going ahead with the vaccines?

Also, since we (the U.K.) have vaccinated over 4 million people now, starting with the most elderly and people in care homes, don’t you think we would have seen problems if there was actually anything to see?

As of right now I don't know, but Biden has promised that it will be free - we'll see


Do they take Medicaid or Medicare?

Two new vaccines have published promising clinical trial results!

Covid-19: Novavax vaccine shows 89% efficacy in UK trials

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55850352

Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Is 66% Effective In Preventing Moderate To Severe COVID-19

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/29/961887796/johnson-johnson-vaccine-is-66-effective-in-preventing-moderate-to-severe-covid-1

Worth mentioning however that they are both less effective (though still work) against the South African variant.  :-\\

Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Is 66% Effective In Preventing Moderate To Severe COVID-19

Worth mentioning however that they are both less effective (though still work) against the South African variant.  :-\\

66% isn't good and even less effective against the new variants....that isn't exactly something I look forward to. ::)

66% isn't good and even less effective against the new variants....that isn't exactly something I look forward to. ::)


66% is in the same ballpark as Oxford University's 70%. Keep in mind the baseline is 0%.

The promising thing about J&J is that it only requires a single shot, whereas all the other vaccines require two doses. It will be useful in vaccinating people as quickly as possible. Another thing is it prevented 100% of deaths after one month.

Two new vaccines have published promising clinical trial results!

Covid-19: Novavax vaccine shows 89% efficacy in UK trials

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55850352

Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Is 66% Effective In Preventing Moderate To Severe COVID-19

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/29/961887796/johnson-johnson-vaccine-is-66-effective-in-preventing-moderate-to-severe-covid-1

Worth mentioning however that they are both less effective (though still work) against the South African variant.  :-\\
Wooo!!  :D Oh wait... Not as effective against the new variant?  :-\\ Ah well, still better than nothing

Two new vaccines have published promising clinical trial results!

Covid-19: Novavax vaccine shows 89% efficacy in UK trials

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55850352




Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Is 66% Effective In Preventing Moderate To Severe COVID-19

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/01/29/961887796/johnson-johnson-vaccine-is-66-effective-in-preventing-moderate-to-severe-covid-1

Worth mentioning however that they are both less effective (though still work) against the South African variant.  :-\\


Well, that sucks. But at least J&J is 85% effective over severe COVID, and it's a single shot as well. So, that's pretty good, I guess.