What would be the starting and ending point for the cultural 2010s zeitgeist?

I would say it began around mid-late 2010 and finished somewhere around 2019. The peak of the zeitgeist would be fall 2013 to spring 2017.

What would be the starting and ending point for the cultural 2010s zeitgeist?

I would say it began around mid-late 2010 and finished somewhere around 2019. The peak of the zeitgeist would be fall 2013 to spring 2017.


TheGamer.com, Mortaljourney.com, Tumblr, and Pinterest all disagree with you on 2010 being a 2010s year.

2008 (electropop, Obama, smartphones, Recession, Facebook) to 2020 (coronavirus)

2011 (Osama Bin Laden killed, The Royal Wedding, Game of Thrones, Fifty Shades of Grey) to 2019 (“Old Town Road”, The Masked Singer, Joker, Popeye’s Chicken Sandwich).

What would be the starting and ending point for the cultural 2010s zeitgeist?

I would say it began around mid-late 2010 and finished somewhere around 2019. The peak of the zeitgeist would be fall 2013 to spring 2017.


Imo, the cultural starting point would probably be 2009. HDTVs and high-def TV quality (720p/1080p) became widely available, the world was still in a recession, Obama was president, there were top text/bottom text memes, and electropop ruled the charts.

The coronavirus here in 2020 pretty much ended the cultural 2010s. Or at least it put it on hold.

Imo, the cultural starting point would probably be 2009. HDTVs and high-def TV quality (720p/1080p) became widely available, the world was still in a recession, Obama was president, there were top text/bottom text memes, and electropop ruled the charts.

The coronavirus here in 2020 pretty much ended the cultural 2010s. Or at least it put it on hold.


Off-topic, but does this mean that the cultural starting point for the 2020s was 2017? Donald Trump was President. Riverdale premiered on The CW. Cuphead Don’t Deal With The Devil was introduced for Nintendo Switch, Xbox One, Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Macintosh operating systems. Camila Cabello and Young Thug stayed on the charts with “Havana”.

Off-topic, but does this mean that the cultural starting point for the 2020s was 2017? Donald Trump was President. Riverdale premiered on The CW. Cuphead Don’t Deal With The Devil was introduced for Nintendo Switch, Xbox One, Microsoft Windows, macOS, and Macintosh operating systems. Camila Cabello and Young Thug stayed on the charts with “Havana”.


Nah, those were strictly late 2010s.

We were in a transitional phase with pop culture, but that phase paused when the virus essentially shut down pop culture for the time being.

Nah, those were strictly late 2010s.

We were in a transitional phase with pop culture, but that phase paused when the virus essentially shut down pop culture for the time being.


How were Obama’s earliest years in office not a part of the cultural 2000s? That was strictly late 2000s.

How were Obama’s earliest years in office not a part of the cultural 2000s? That was strictly late 2000s.


I was talking about the 2020s so far in my previous post, not the cultural 2000s.

I was talking about the 2020s so far in my previous post, not the cultural 2000s.


You said that 2017 to 2019 were strictly late 2010s years. What’s stopping 2009 to 2010 from being strictly late 2000s years in your eyes?  ???

there was no "cultural zeitgeist" to suggest so would be implying this decade had some sort of cohesive identity,  millennial's are just following there gen-x uncles in the 90's , gen x really  droped the ball  with the 90s nothing happened , everyone was just hung up on dressing in perennial 20th century bits and pieces matched with Seattle lumberjack thrift fashion, gen y have just picked up where gen x left of ,

there was no "cultural zeitgeist" to suggest so would be implying this decade had some sort of cohesive identity,  millennial's are just following there gen-x uncles in the 90's , gen x really  droped the ball  with the 90s nothing happened , everyone was just hung up on dressing in perennial 20th century bits and pieces matched with Seattle lumberjack thrift fashion, gen y have just picked up where gen x left of ,


Quite true. And it amazes me how that Seattle grunge fashion managed to get such a stronghold that it remains to this day. Guys wearing shorts all year round and for all occasions, and wearing ridiculous wool hats even in hot weather. Enough already.  I'm not even sure some kids doing that now are even aware it can be traced directly to early 90s grunge.

2009 to 2019 = 2010s (from Great Recession to Coronavirus)

Late 2011 to mid-2017 = core 2010s (from Occupy Wall Street to Unite the Right rally in Virginia)

2009 to 2019 = 2010s (from Great Recession to Coronavirus)

Late 2011 to mid-2017 = core 2010s (from Occupy Wall Street to Unite the Right rally in Virginia)


The 2000s were one huge transition from the Clinton 90s to the Obama 2010s (when Osama Bin Laden was murdered). The first two years of Obama’s term must be included in the cultural 2000s.

TheGamer.com, Mortaljourney.com, Tumblr, and Pinterest all disagree with you on 2010 being a 2010s year.


I had a Tumblr in 2008, which I recognize is early but by 2010 Tumblr was already everywhere.

The 2000s were one huge transition from the Clinton 90s to the Obama 2010s (when Osama Bin Laden was murdered). The first two years of Obama’s term must be included in the cultural 2000s.


Osama Bin Laden being killed was a big event but it didn't really change anything in day to day life. The Great Recession and the rise of smartphones however resulted in a huge "cultural shift". Life wasn't the same anymore.

Osama Bin Laden being killed was a big event but it didn't really change anything in day to day life. The Great Recession and the rise of smartphones however resulted in a huge "cultural shift". Life wasn't the same anymore.


How is it a big event if it didn’t really change anything in day to day life?  ???

How is it a big event if it didn’t really change anything in day to day life?  ???


Osama was already irrelevant by the time he was killed. It changed nothing.

Osama was already irrelevant by the time he was killed. It changed nothing.


You said it was a big event.

You said it was a big event.


Yes, it was a big event, but it also didn't change much. The Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics were a big event, but they didn't change anything, Canada was still the best at hockey.

Yes, it was a big event, but it also didn't change much. The Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics were a big event, but they didn't change anything, Canada was still the best at hockey.


It made us feel a little safer until ISIS hit.

It made us feel a little safer until ISIS hit.


2006-2012 in general were low on terrorist attacks in the West until the Boston marathon bombing.

there was no "cultural zeitgeist" to suggest so would be implying this decade had some sort of cohesive identity,  millennial's are just following there gen-x uncles in the 90's , gen x really  droped the ball  with the 90s nothing happened , everyone was just hung up on dressing in perennial 20th century bits and pieces matched with Seattle lumberjack thrift fashion, gen y have just picked up where gen x left of ,


This, THIS!!!!! We have been in a post modern pop cultural waste land since the late 90s, there is no distinctive "2010s" zeitgeist or music or fashion or whatever, everything is circular revival or continuation of the late 20th century decades.

The mainstream explosion of grunge and hip hop was the last time pop culture was overhauled, the late 90s, 00s, 10s, now even the 2020s are just not that different comparatively.

You said that 2017 to 2019 were strictly late 2010s years. What’s stopping 2009 to 2010 from being strictly late 2000s years in your eyes?  ???


What's stopping me is the fact that trends crossed over from 2009 to early 2010s onwards. Facebook became the most popular social network by 2009 and throughout the early 2010s, electropop was dominant that year and continued its stride until early-mid 2013, slider/slab smartphones were getting more popular, rock music was almost nowhere to be seen on the charts, and HD quality was available in more TVs.

The reasons why I don't think we're in a new cultural era yet (sans COVID-19) are as followed: trap music has been popular in the mainstream ever since the mid-2010s, the political sphere has stayed highly toxic, streaming media and TV remain popular, and bezelless slab smartphones are still commonly used.

This, THIS!!!!! We have been in a post modern pop cultural waste land since the late 90s, there is no distinctive "2010s" zeitgeist or music or fashion or whatever, everything is circular revival or continuation of the late 20th century decades.

The mainstream explosion of grunge and hip hop was the last time pop culture was overhauled, the late 90s, 00s, 10s, now even the 2020s are just not that different comparatively.


I agree with you with the fashion. The fashion trends/revivals/influences now are pretty much indistinct to the 90s, 2000s and even the 2010s.

But I can't say that other aspects of pop culture hasn't changed throughout the years because it definitely has.

Here are a few examples: Mainstream rock music is dead now. Hip-hop has been the most consumed genre on the planet since 2017. Streaming media is where people go to now for accessible content as cable television and album CDs continue to die out.

Please everyone DO NOT go outside but especially do not go outside if you're going to dress like it's the late 90s or 2000s  8-P 2010s fashion is completely different.

Please everyone DO NOT go outside but especially do not go outside if you're going to dress like it's the late 90s or 2000s  8-P 2010s fashion is completely different.

I'm waiting for the day when guys spike up their hair and sporting goatees  ;D.

It made us feel a little safer until ISIS hit.
It really didn't lol.
I distinctly remember how the media immediately jumped on the fact that Al-Qaida would probably retaliate as a response to it, fairly similar to how people jumped on the fact that Iran would retaliate after that colonel got killed by Trump' troops earlier this year.

The group only fell into complete irrelevancy once ISIS came onto the map.

What's stopping me is the fact that trends crossed over from 2009 to early 2010s onwards. Facebook became the most popular social network by 2009 and throughout the early 2010s, electropop was dominant that year and continued its stride until early-mid 2013, slider/slab smartphones were getting more popular, rock music was almost nowhere to be seen on the charts, and HD quality was available in more TVs.

The reasons why I don't think we're in a new cultural era yet (sans COVID-19) are as followed: trap music has been popular in the mainstream ever since the mid-2010s, the political sphere has stayed highly toxic, streaming media and TV remain popular, and bezelless slab smartphones are still commonly used.


2009 to 2010 was the part of the 2000s closest to the early 2010s. What did you expect to happen in 2009 and 2010?  ???

I'm waiting for the day when guys spike up their hair and sporting goatees  ;D.


That was a niche thing young white guys did, I'm looking at the big picture, heck check out Voiceofthe70s post on grunge fashion still being a staple today 30 years on. Sagging pants among young black guys is still ubiquitous like it was in the 90's. Women still have that flat hair look from the late 90s onwards. Most basic hairstyle and fashions have not changed that much at all.

The sense of a cultural gap was huge between 1950 and 1970, the whole face of American pop culture was overhauled. The same 20 year change can be said from 1970 to 1990, hip hop culture alone emerged. Nothing even close has happened since 2000, it's mostly been changes in information technology and political/economic events, not even one new cultural thread to emerge, it's the same things we've always had, hip hop, R&B, dance, pop, ect.

That was a niche thing young white guys did, I'm looking at the big picture, heck check out Voiceofthe70s post on grunge fashion still being a staple today 30 years on. Sagging pants among young black guys is still ubiquitous like it was in the 90's. Women still have that flat hair look from the late 90s onwards. Most basic hairstyle and fashions have not changed that much at all.

The sense of a cultural gap was huge between 1950 and 1970, the whole face of American pop culture was overhauled. The same 20 year change can be said from 1970 to 1990, hip hop culture alone emerged. Nothing even close has happened since 2000, it's mostly been changes in information technology and political/economic events, not even one new cultural thread to emerge, it's the same things we've always had, hip hop, R&B, dance, pop, ect.


If we're talking about large scale changes, I would say things have been the same since the mid 70s, that's when a t-shirt and jeans became the default. The flat long hair you're talking about is from the early '70s.

I agree with you with the fashion. The fashion trends/revivals/influences now are pretty much indistinct to the 90s, 2000s and even the 2010s.

But I can't say that other aspects of pop culture hasn't changed throughout the years because it definitely has.

Here are a few examples: Mainstream rock music is dead now. Hip-hop has been the most consumed genre on the planet since 2017. Streaming media is where people go to now for accessible content as cable television and album CDs continue to die out.


I'm glad you can see and acknowledge this, a lot of people are trying to force this narrative of the 2000s and 2010s as being "decades as events" like the Sixties were but it just didn't happen. Mainstream rock declining and hip hop surging is just changed the ratios of what already existed before the 21st century started. The only thing the 2000s really differed from the 90s was the 80s revival, so when we have a "2000s"revival we can just call it a 80s revival anyways ;D.

That was a niche thing young white guys did, I'm looking at the big picture, heck check out Voiceofthe70s post on grunge fashion still being a staple today 30 years on. Sagging pants among young black guys is still ubiquitous like it was in the 90's. Women still have that flat hair look from the late 90s onwards. Most basic hairstyle and fashions have not changed that much at all.

The sense of a cultural gap was huge between 1950 and 1970, the whole face of American pop culture was overhauled. The same 20 year change can be said from 1970 to 1990, hip hop culture alone emerged. Nothing even close has happened since 2000, it's mostly been changes in information technology and political/economic events, not even one new cultural thread to emerge, it's the same things we've always had, hip hop, R&B, dance, pop, ect.


Bingo!  No more calls please, we have a winner.

It seems to me that pop culture is only gonna get more fragmented as humanity progresses. You can't centrally define the 2010s by only one thing, and honestly, I think it's beautiful that way. Everyone can decide what they can fondly remember about the 2010s.

If we're talking about large scale changes, I would say things have been the same since the mid 70s, that's when a t-shirt and jeans became the default. The flat long hair you're talking about is from the early '70s.

Since the 1970s, the standard casual attire has largely been the same. You get some fashion trends that were unique to a particular decade but the average Westerner doesn’t dress too differently now compared to 40 years ago. As you say, t-shirts and jeans have been the default for decades. I’ve often been surprised by some pictures I’ve seen from the 1970s with people wearing clothes that wouldn’t look out of place in 2020. Most people don’t dress ‘on trend’, they just wear what’s comfortable, and that hasn’t changed much at all for the past 45 years.

So yeah, everything’s been the same since about 1975.  ;)

Since the 1970s, the standard casual attire has largely been the same. You get some fashion trends that were unique to a particular decade but the average Westerner doesn’t dress too differently now compared to 40 years ago. As you say, t-shirts and jeans have been the default for decades. I’ve often been surprised by some pictures I’ve seen from the 1970s with people wearing clothes that wouldn’t look out of place in 2020. Most people don’t dress ‘on trend’, they just wear what’s comfortable, and that hasn’t changed much at all for the past 45 years.

So yeah, everything’s been the same since about 1975.  ;)


I'd like to add that western society has been drifting farther away from conformity since around the 1960s, so it's no surprise that there isn't really a standard uniform anymore.

Look up pictures of people from the 1950s and notice how they were dressed more or less the same.  :D

So yeah, everything’s been the same since about 1975.  ;)



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It seems to me that pop culture is only gonna get more fragmented as humanity progresses. You can't centrally define the 2010s by only one thing, and honestly, I think it's beautiful that way. Everyone can decide what they can fondly remember about the 2010s.


What one thing do we know the 1980s for?

What one thing do we know the 1980s for?


I would say the popularity of synthesizers, but everyone else could object to that.

I would say the popularity of synthesizers, but everyone else could object to that.


I thought you were going to say greed.

What’s the one thing we know the 1990s for?

I thought you were going to say greed.

What’s the one thing we know the 1990s for?


The 1990s are where things start to get more fragmented in pop culture because you got grunge, gangsta rap, Eurodance, the World Wide Web, late 90s teen pop, etc. So I don't really know if there's a main thing we know the 90s for. Depends on the person themselves.

The 1990s are where things start to get more fragmented in pop culture because you got grunge, gangsta rap, Eurodance, the World Wide Web, late 90s teen pop, etc. So I don't really know if there's a main thing we know the 90s for. Depends on the person themselves.


We know the 90s for angry music.  ;D

it's the same things we've always had, hip hop, R&B, dance, pop, ect.
Having a fancy new label is nice and all but the most important part is the actual innovations and progressions that happen within genres, regardless if they're pre-existing or not. All the music genres you mentioned are extremely vague and broad and could be taken in extremely different directions anyway. Both Frank Sinatra and Madonna are pop after all. Both Sam Cooke and Frank Ocean are R&B after all. And when it comes to instrumentation, structure, bpm, melodic progressions, themes and whatnot, all those genres have been greatly overhauled since 2000, several times even. And the fun part is that you get to clearly hear them when picking hit songs each years apart from eachother:
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And yes, technologic advances do play a huge role in music's evolution. Otherwise we'd be still stuck with going to vaudevilles and minstrel shows when it comes to popular music.

Having a fancy new label is nice and all but the most important part is the actual innovations and progressions that happen within genres, regardless if they're pre-existing or not. All the music genres you mentioned are extremely vague and broad and could be taken in extremely different directions anyway. Both Frank Sinatra and Madonna are pop after all. Both Sam Cooke and Frank Ocean are R&B after all. And when it comes to instrumentation, structure, bpm, melodic progressions, themes and whatnot, all those genres have been greatly overhauled since 2000, several times even. And the fun part is that you get to clearly hear them when picking hit songs each years apart from eachother:
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And yes, technologic advances do play a huge role in music's evolution. Otherwise we'd be still stuck with going to vaudevilles and minstrel shows when it comes to popular music.


This is true. Even if we don't have new main genres being created (I think hip-hop was the last popular music genre formed), we can create more subgenres and mixtures of existing genres to make something new and exciting.

Having a fancy new label is nice and all but the most important part is the actual innovations and progressions that happen within genres, regardless if they're pre-existing or not. All the music genres you mentioned are extremely vague and broad and could be taken in extremely different directions anyway. Both Frank Sinatra and Madonna are pop after all. Both Sam Cooke and Frank Ocean are R&B after all. And when it comes to instrumentation, structure, bpm, melodic progressions, themes and whatnot, all those genres have been greatly overhauled since 2000, several times even. And the fun part is that you get to clearly hear them when picking hit songs each years apart from eachother


Yes Frank Sinatra and Madonna are both pop but the form had been so greatly changed between the 1940s and 1980s when Madonna emerged.

In the first example, the song from 2000 had pretty modern timbaland style production, the song from 2010 is totally based in 90s style eurodance production, the weekend song from late 2019 is just bland hip hop influenced R&B we've had for 25 years at least. The form of R&B has hardly changed at all, there is little new sonic and rthymthic elements, even the so called "alternative R&B" stuff is just warmed over neo soul or recombinant.

Yes Frank Sinatra and Madonna are both pop but the form had been so greatly changed between the 1940s and 1980s when Madonna emerged.
Yes, similar to how pop changed greatly in the last 20 years. Far too easy to be selective and incoherent like this.


In the first example, the song from 2000 had pretty modern timbaland style production, the song from 2010 is totally based in 90s style eurodance production, the weekend song from late 2019 is just bland hip hop influenced R&B we've had for 25 years at least. The form of R&B has hardly changed at all, there is little new sonic and rthymthic elements, even the so called "alternative R&B" stuff is just warmed over neo soul or recombinant.
That is not even close to be eurodance. The genre doesn't have sharp synth stabs, distortion and sawtooth effects like that song. Eurodance is instead characterized by bouncy, throbbing beats at very high bpm with pronounced subbass and anthemic disco-influenced vocals, none of that present in the 2010 song.

Neo soul is soul or soul-inspired clear vocals combined with warm hip hop-influenced productions. Hardly anything to do with the cold, brooding style of alternative r&b and its detached vocals commonly drenched in reverb. Again "hip hop-influenced r&b" is extremely vague of a complain, since both hip hop and r&b have changed a lot in the last 25 years. 808s, rattling hi-hats, atmosphere, those cold detached vocals, spaced out rhythm, the triplet flow and midtempo heavy bass are all musical elements you wouldn't find in popular r&b 25 or even 10 years ago.

The entire decade will had a cultural zeitgeist. People will remember the 2010s by everything that happened from 2010 to 2019. Even late 2008 and 2009 will be remembered for 2010s things. This decade really was pretty consistent in its overall vibe like the 1980s was so you can pick any year from the decade and you can call it "very 2010s". From 2010 - 2019, there is really no confusion what decade we were in. Unlike the 1990s and 2000s which ended early.

The entire decade will had a cultural zeitgeist. People will remember the 2010s by everything that happened from 2010 to 2019. Even late 2008 and 2009 will be remembered for 2010s things. This decade really was pretty consistent in its overall vibe like the 1980s was so you can pick any year from the decade and you can call it "very 2010s". From 2010 - 2019, there is really no confusion what decade we were in. Unlike the 1990s and 2000s which ended early.


2010 was not a year of the 2010s, but it will be remembered for 2010s things like 2008 and 2009.

The 2000s did not end early. The 2000s spanned from 1999 all the way to the year 2010.

What would be the starting and ending point for the cultural 2010s zeitgeist?

I would say it began around mid-late 2010 and finished somewhere around 2019. The peak of the zeitgeist would be fall 2013 to spring 2017.


WTH, that time felt JUST like late 2009 tho… I remember it like yesterday the ENTIRE 2009-10 school year felt THE SAME, so old music fan had a point there!!

Ooh this is fun!!!! It's my turn :o :o :o

This sounds wild that im even making my upcoming comment but here it goes...
Cultural 2010s: 2009(Obama taking office/ electropop explosion)- 2020 (coronavirus)
Cultural 2020s: 2021-???
I maybe a black American so im kinda biased but aww shucks ya knew it was comin!! It's STAGGERING how the era begun early and ended just on time. :D :D :D

TheGamer.com, Mortaljourney.com, Tumblr, and Pinterest all disagree with you on 2010 being a 2010s year.

sorry bruh, you usually make FANTASTIC and SPOT ON points on most of your posts. But 2010 did NOT feel like the 00s anymore... some influences still lingered but still.

2010 was not a year of the 2010s, but it will be remembered for 2010s things like 2008 and 2009.

The 2000s did not end early. The 2000s spanned from 1999 all the way to the year 2010.


Well... that's your opinion tho. A LOT of people especially on here DO NOT agree with that my friend. But this is a debate site. So all differing opinions are INDEED welcome. ;) ;D

How were Obama’s earliest years in office not a part of the cultural 2000s? That was strictly late 2000s.

I guess POLITICALLY speaking you could make a strong argument, but pop culturally. ehh...

What would be the starting and ending point for the cultural 2010s zeitgeist?

I would say it began around mid-late 2010 and finished somewhere around 2019. The peak of the zeitgeist would be fall 2013 to spring 2017.


The zeitgeist would be from late 2009 to another year or two probably 2021/2022.

The core period is from late 2011 to mid 2018.

Peak mid 2013 to mid 2017

So late 2009- early 2011 : early era where it was building up

late 2018-(2021/22?) late or winding down period

I can’t see any cultural differences between 2019 and today yet.

The zeitgeist would be from late 2009 to another year or two probably 2021/2022.

The core period is from late 2011 to mid 2018.

Peak mid 2013 to mid 2017

So late 2009- early 2011 : early era where it was building up

late 2018-(2021/22?) late or winding down period

I can’t see any cultural differences between 2019 and today yet.


That's why it's called a transitional period. it definitely feels like the new 2008. The era definitely ended this year. But after this year things will get interesting.

That's why it's called a transitional period. it definitely feels like the new 2008. The era definitely ended this year. But after this year things will get interesting.


How did it end though ? Still feels the same.

2008 going into 2009 felt very different than the bush era and mid 2000s pop culture.

Other than corona what has changed though since 2019. Until it’s long lasting enough and drastically changes entertainment etc then we can say more.

Can’t say there have been any felt pop culture ( entertainment/music/fashion wise etc differences) between most of 2019 compared to these last three months.

What would you say ?

I can’t see any cultural differences between 2019 and today yet.


Me either. The current events part changed our lives, but pop culture still remains the same from 2019.

Me either. The current events part changed our lives, but pop culture still remains the same from 2019.

No pop culture is transitioning now. It has been transitioning since late 2019. More songs are upbeat and funky now and less trap.

No pop culture is transitioning now. It has been transitioning since late 2019. More songs are upbeat and funky now and less trap.


What happened in late 2019?

That's why it's called a transitional period. it definitely feels like the new 2008. The era definitely ended this year. But after this year things will get interesting.

Exactly. We're in a transitional period right now. I can already notice differences in music. It feels kind of like how 2013 felt, kind of unique and transitional and still up in the air where the culture will go but definitely in a transitional phase nonetheless. It's not 24/7 trap anymore, trap it's on the decline. Not to mention, the virus had impact on pop culture. Look at Drake's new music video.

Late 2019/Early 2020 was the start of this transition. But of course change is gradual so some people will say it started earlier and some will say it started later. By the new year of 2021, early 2020s culture will be firmly established.

What happened in late 2019?

A better question is what didn't happen? How about the first case of corona virus in November of 2019 in China which ended up bringing the entire world on lockdown just months later.

No pop culture is transitioning now. It has been transitioning since late 2019. More songs are upbeat and funky now and less trap.


My bad. I should've been more clear on what I was trying to say. We are in a transitional state with pop culture with celebrities doing live streams and at-home concerts. But there are things from 2018/2019 that are still popular now like the phenomenon of TikTok, e-boy/girl culture, relatable memes, trap (like Drake's new song, which I don't really like that much) and athleisure.

My bad. I should've been more clear on what I was trying to say. We are in a transitional state with pop culture with celebrities doing live streams and at-home concerts. But there are things from 2018/2019 that are still popular now like the phenomenon of TikTok, e-boy/girl culture, relatable memes, trap (like Drake's new song, which I don't really like that much) and athleisure.

True I agree with that. We still have late 2010s holdovers around.

How did it end though ? Still feels the same.

2008 going into 2009 felt very different than the bush era and mid 2000s pop culture.

Other than corona what has changed though since 2019. Until it’s long lasting enough and drastically changes entertainment etc then we can say more.

Can’t say there have been any felt pop culture ( entertainment/music/fashion wise etc differences) between most of 2019 compared to these last three months.

What would you say ?








2020 does feel like 2019 still. Just like 2008 for the most part still felt like 07. 2021/22 we may see a change similar to 2009/2010. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, we're in the transition from the 10s to the 20s. We just aint there yet.

My bad. I should've been more clear on what I was trying to say. We are in a transitional state with pop culture with celebrities doing live streams and at-home concerts. But there are things from 2018/2019 that are still popular now like the phenomenon of TikTok, e-boy/girl culture, relatable memes, trap (like Drake's new song, which I don't really like that much) and athleisure.


True I agree with that. We still have late 2010s holdovers around.

EXACTLY. Basically this year feels like the last hurrah of the late 10s. After the 2020 election, I CAN'T WAIT to see what happens when the 2020-2021 school year, that will be the ULTIMATE transitional school year since the 2008-09 season. Regardless if Trump loses or gets reelected.

EXACTLY. Basically this year feels like the last hurrah of the late 10s. After the 2020 election, I CAN'T WAIT to see what happens when the 2020-2021 school year, that will be the ULTIMATE transitional school year since the 2008-09 season. Regardless if Trump loses or gets reelected.

I love this quote. I agree the last "ultimate" and "huge" change was in the 2008 - 2009 school year. I feel like 2020 - 2021 will be the same thing. I'm already seeing it right now.

What happened in late 2019?
We had Christmas!

I love this quote. I agree the last "ultimate" and "huge" change was in the 2008 - 2009 school year. I feel like 2020 - 2021 will be the same thing. I'm already seeing it right now.


It also makes me wonder on what will actually change culturally by late 2020/early 2021.

But I'm pretty amazed on how trap rap still manages to be the main popular genre, created sub-subgenres (country, emo, and metal), and even influenced pop music (Ariana Grande, Camila Cabello, Lady Gaga, etc). It's like nothing will take away trap's reign. So it's definitely gonna be interesting on what will overtake it.