FYI to people on this board, @Retro defines generations based solely on childhood culture rather than (what most people on this forum define them as) with a mixture of both childhood/teen and 'coming of age' culture. So when he says that "Gen Z culture is on its last legs", he's referring to Gen Z childhood culture, that's important.

Although I would still slightly disagree due to the fact that there really isn't enough evidence culturally, technologically, and especially demographically to suggest the existence of this supposed 'Gen Alpha' people are talking about. This definition is based on the notion that Gen Z began around 1995/1997 and ends in 2010/2012 (note, Retro considers Z to be 1995/1996-2007/2008 or so, which is even a bit sacrilegious for some of the more 'conservative' estimates that start the generation in the 'mid 90s', but I digress). Based on this view, the oldest of 'Gen Alpha' are at best 7-9 years old.

Realistically, since we all tend to agree that those born in 2005-2009 are unanimously considered Gen Z, then by analyzing these birth years one would realize that there really isn't that big of a technological gap between your typical mid-late 2000s baby and your typical 2010s baby, especially not in the same way there was to mid-late 1990s babies and 2000s babies (I'm sure many 2000s babies are going to disagree with me, but the 2000s was much more of a transformative decade than the 2010s were, so much so that spending your childhood predominately in the second half of the decade was a completely different beast than spending it predominately in the first half of the decade).

Most children born in the 2000s spent their core childhoods after 2010 (post iPhone, post iPad, Social Media/YouTube now being the standard, etc.) so thus, at least in my view, there currently isn't much real world evidence (especially pertaining to technology) to suggest that there is a huge difference between 2000s babies and 2010s babies, because besides annual iterations of things like iPhones and iPads, the essential concept of technology has been relatively similar throughout the decade. Culturally and technologically, I am sure there will be, as 2010s babies grow up in the 2020s & 2030s, especially since there are going to be major breakthroughs in science throughout the 2020s (which I am eager for :D). But then at that point, I can't say for certain whether or not we would then see them as a totally whole new generation entirely or just merely a second wave of Gen Z? I personally lean more towards the latter, but we shall see, overall though it's too soon to be talking about 'Late Gen Z/Early Alpha Kid culture'.

I think kid culture has had much of the same fundamentals of how it has been structured since circa 2010; such as the decline of 'legacy' media (with the subsequent demise of the 'big 3' children's networks) in favor for the rise in 'new media' platforms for kids (such as YouTube), and the ethical issues that have arisen from it. I don't see the same major societal shift (not to mention technological/cultural shift) in childhood culture between an 8 year old in 2019 versus an 8 year old in 2010, than the difference between an 8 year old in 2009 and an 8 year old in 2000, which to me at least is a lot more of a dramatic change.

Anyways, my long ass post above is like a roundabout answer to the question the OP posted. While I personally don't think we're in the 'core' 2010s anymore (that ship sailed back in mid 2018 for me), at the same time I don't think we're necessarily in 2020s culture anymore. I still culturally, we're still mainly 2010s, but it's in a weird transitional phase. Perhaps the equivalent to the 'Y2K era' of the 1990s/very early 00s, still felt pretty 90s but also felt slightly futuristic (like the feeling you get when you're entering a new decade, let alone a new millennium). There was a similar eery feeling this in 2009-2011.

FYI to people on this board, @Retro defines generations based solely on childhood culture rather than (what most people on this forum define them as) with a mixture of both childhood/teen and 'coming of age' culture. So when he says that "Gen Z culture is on its last legs", he's referring to Gen Z childhood culture, that's important.

Although I would still slightly disagree due to the fact that there really isn't enough evidence culturally, technologically, and especially demographically to suggest the existence of this supposed 'Gen Alpha' people are talking about. This definition is based on the notion that Gen Z began around 1995/1997 and ends in 2010/2012 (note, Retro considers Z to be 1995/1996-2007/2008 or so, which is even a bit sacrilegious for some of the more 'conservative' estimates that start the generation in the 'mid 90s', but I digress). Based on this view, the oldest of 'Gen Alpha' are at best 7-9 years old.

Realistically, since we all tend to agree that those born in 2005-2009 are unanimously considered Gen Z, then by analyzing these birth years one would realize that there really isn't that big of a technological gap between your typical mid-late 2000s baby and your typical 2010s baby, especially not in the same way there was to mid-late 1990s babies and 2000s babies (I'm sure many 2000s babies are going to disagree with me, but the 2000s was much more of a transformative decade than the 2010s were, so much so that spending your childhood predominately in the second half of the decade was a completely different beast than spending it predominately in the first half of the decade).

Most children born in the 2000s spent their core childhoods after 2010 (post iPhone, post iPad, Social Media/YouTube now being the standard, etc.) so thus, at least in my view, there currently isn't much real world evidence (especially pertaining to technology) to suggest that there is a huge difference between 2000s babies and 2010s babies, because besides annual iterations of things like iPhones and iPads, the essential concept of technology has been relatively similar throughout the decade. Culturally and technologically, I am sure there will be, as 2010s babies grow up in the 2020s & 2030s, especially since there are going to be major breakthroughs in science throughout the 2020s (which I am eager for :D). But then at that point, I can't say for certain whether or not we would then see them as a totally whole new generation entirely or just merely a second wave of Gen Z? I personally lean more towards the latter, but we shall see, overall though it's too soon to be talking about 'Late Gen Z/Early Alpha Kid culture'.

I think kid culture has had much of the same fundamentals of how it has been structured since circa 2010; such as the decline of 'legacy' media (with the subsequent demise of the 'big 3' children's networks) in favor for the rise in 'new media' platforms for kids (such as YouTube), and the ethical issues that have arisen from it. I don't see the same major societal shift (not to mention technological/cultural shift) in childhood culture between an 8 year old in 2019 versus an 8 year old in 2010, than the difference between an 8 year old in 2009 and an 8 year old in 2000, which to me at least is a lot more of a dramatic change.


Well, someone had to have a childhood in the 2010s.

Online articles like the first one below are being made for Zers like the one for Millennials from Rolling Stone years ago.

https://www.bustle.com/p/11-awesome-things-from-the-early-2000s-that-gen-z-will-never-truly-appreciate-2456091

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/50-things-millennials-have-never-heard-of-13946/

In the 2020s, Zers will be the freelance writers discussing what Alphas missed in the early to mid 2010s.

This cycle of events will go on until no generations are on this earth anymore (in other words, forever).

Well, someone had to have a childhood in the 2010s.

Online articles like the first one below are being made for Zers like the one for Millennials from Rolling Stone years ago.

https://www.bustle.com/p/11-awesome-things-from-the-early-2000s-that-gen-z-will-never-truly-appreciate-2456091

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/50-things-millennials-have-never-heard-of-13946/

In the 2020s, Zers will be the freelance writers discussing what Alphas missed in the early to mid 2010s.

This cycle of events will go on until no generations are on this earth anymore (in other words, forever).


Wait I'm confused. You're now saying that Zers are going to mush to Alphas in the 2020s on what they missed out on in the 2010s? I thought Gen Z's main cultural decade was the 2000s? Or are you finally realizing that generations are more than just kid culture, in which in that case, glad we finally got it through ya ;D.

Anyways, my long ass post above is like a roundabout answer to the question the OP posted. While I personally don't think we're in the 'core' 2010s anymore (that ship sailed back in mid 2018 for me), at the same time I don't think we're necessarily in 2020s culture anymore. I still culturally, we're still mainly 2010s, but it's in a weird transitional phase. Perhaps the equivalent to the 'Y2K era' of the 1990s/very early 00s, still felt pretty 90s but also felt slightly futuristic (like the feeling you get when you're entering a new decade, let alone a new millennium). There was a similar eery feeling this in 2009-2011.


People were not paying attention to most of the things we know the 90s for in the very early 2000s. The very early 2000s was a new time that culturally did not have many ties to the 90s. It was like that for the 2011 to 2013 era as well.

2020 to 2022 will be when people lose interest in the most popular new fads of the 2010s. 2019 will be a little dated in 2022, but nowhere near as dated as it will be in 2029 (after the 2020s have wrapped up).

Wait I'm confused. You're now saying that Zers are going to mush to Alphas in the 2020s on what they missed out on in the 2010s? I thought Gen Z's main cultural decade was the 2000s? Or are you finally realizing that generations are more than just kid culture, in which in that case, glad we finally got it through ya ;D.


Going by your words, Gen Z’s main cultural decade was the 2010s. Their childhoods started in the 2000s.

People were not paying attention to most of the things we know the 90s for in the very early 2000s. The very early 2000s was a new time that culturally did not have many ties to the 90s. It was like that for the 2011 to 2013 era as well.

2020 to 2022 will be when people lose interest in the most popular new fads of the 2010s. 2019 will be a little dated in 2022, but nowhere near as dated as it will be in 2029 (after the 2020s have wrapped up).


I'd beg to disagree, especially from an historical perspective. Much of the early 2000s upto 9/11 are seen in line with the 1990s. The economic boom (which lasted till 2001), the rise of the internet and 'information age', 'Must See TV', peak in children's television (Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, last hurrah for Saturday Morning Cartoons), I could go on and on. I think we talked about this on another thread, but 2000 & 2001, minus them both being in the 2000s decade (and 2001 being in the new millennium) were culturally similar to Late 1998/1999, aka the 'Y2K era'.



Going by your words, Gen Z’s main cultural decade was the 2010s. Their childhoods started in the 2000s.


Now you wan't to go by my words when it's convenient  ;D. But anyways I'll play along. Yeah, Gen Z's main cultural decade is going to be the 2020s, believe it or not, the 2010s (especially prior to 2016) was culturally geared more towards Millennials.

Late Yer and Zer kid culture wasn’t much different from that of early Yers. “Heinz EZ Squirt Ketchup” was like “Pop Secret Pop Qwiz Popcorn” in the eyes of Millennials and obviously “Spongebob Squarepants” was a mesh of “Rugrats” and “Ren and Stimpy” (the two most successful Nicktoons that revolutionized Nickelodeon history from the 90s into the 2000s).

9/11 killed off  “ “the 90s”” to Millennials in the same that The Gulf War and early 90s recession ended the 80s for Late Xers. I don’t know if Late Zers would agree with you on 2000s pop culture dying after the 2008 recession. The ‘08 recession certainly made things worst for Millennials from how they were during and after 9/11.

As far as late 2010s pop culture goes, do you mean what started in the late 2010s (“Fortnite Battle Royale”) will die off in the 2020s or the culture that Zers and Alphas are still enjoying in the late ‘10s (“Stranger Things”) will be gone in another 2 to 3 years? ???

The EZ colored ketchup came out in 2000 and I think you were the one who said 2000’s kid culture  was centered around gen z right ? The colored ketchup was more late y early z territory in my opinion. I do agree late millennial culture was meshed into very early gen z culture. I was in middle school when the recession went global in September of 2008. I witnessed my 6th grade teacher lose her job. A lot of gen x and early millennials suffered from the recession the most, but as for us 90’s babies, all of us were in high school and middle school unless you were born in 1990 or post 1997. The recession dampered the mood of the late 2000’s imo. Similar to how 9/11 killed of the optimism of the 90’s. I don’t believe 9/11 killed off the2000’s for millennials born in the 90’s as a majority of them were children or under 18. That would have been gen x/ early millennials, those old enough to full understand it and prepare to go to war because of it. Most millennials were sheltered from 9/11, even a study done on children back in 2002 who were ages 3-13 on 9/11 showed that there was little significance as far as postpatum depression or trauma due to witnessesing the attacks. 9/11 happened due to things in and out of our country before most 90’s babies were even born. Politically it would be hard for most 90’s babies to understand a pre 9/11 world other than personally.

As for culture well, Stranger Things has 1-2 more seasons left according to the cast members. I believe that music and pop culture will shift around 2022/2023, I also believe that we will get a 2000’s revival. Y2k fashion is huge right now. I believe skinny jeans may fade out and flair will come back in. Pop music will sound more reminiscent of the y2k era maybe. Trap music and mumble rap will fade out (hopefully). I believe Netflix culture will still be big. There already talking about another Matrix movie so maybe early 2000’s nostalgia will start to be big in this era.

I'd beg to disagree, especially from an historical perspective. Much of the early 2000s upto 9/11 are seen in line with the 1990s. The economic boom (which lasted till 2001), the rise of the internet and 'information age', 'Must See TV', peak in children's television (Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, last hurrah for Saturday Morning Cartoons), I could go on and on. I think we talked about this on another thread, but 2000 & 2001, minus them both being in the 2000s decade (and 2001 being in the new millennium) were culturally similar to Late 1998/1999, aka the 'Y2K era'.


Now you wan't to go by my words when it's convenient  ;D. But anyways I'll play along. Yeah, Gen Z's main cultural decade is going to be the 2020s, believe it or not, the 2010s (especially prior to 2016) was culturally geared more towards Millennials.


Scientists like to define generations by what groups did as adults, but it is much easier to look at generations by their childhood culture.

Millennials (not counting teen moms) did start having children in the 2010s, but a lot of the culture we know the ‘10s for was geared towards Zers. That’s why I called the 2010s the main culural decade of Zers.

The EZ colored ketchup came out in 2000 and I think you were the one who said 2000’s were gen z culture right ? The colored ketchup was more late y early z territory in my opinion. I do agree late millennial culture was meshed into very early gen z culture. I was in middle school when the recession went global in September of 2008. I witnessed my 6th grade teacher lose her job. A lot of gen x and early millennials suffered from the recession the most, but as for us 90’s babies, all of us were in high school and middle school unless you were born in 1990. The recession dampered the mood of the late 2000’s imo. Similar to how 9/11 killed of the optimism of the 90’s. I don’t believe 9/11 killed off the2000’s for millennials as a majority of them were children or under 18. That would have been gen x, those old enough to full understand it and prepare to go to war because of it. Most millennials were sheltered from 9/11, even a study done on children back in 2002 who were ages 3-13 on 9/11 showed that there was little significance as far as post pardon  depression or trauma due to witnessesing the attacks. 9/11 happened due to things in and out of our country before most 90’s babies were even born. Politically it would be hard for most 90’s babies to understand a pre/post 9/11 rather than personally.

As for culture well, Stranger Things has 1-2 more seasons left according to the cast members. I believe that music and pop culture will shift around 2022/2023, I also believe that we will get a 2000’s revival. Y2k fashion is huge right now. I believe skinny jeans may fade out and flair will come back in. Pop music will sound more reminiscent of the y2k era maybe. Trap music and mumble rap will fade out (hopefully). I believe Netflix culture will still be big. There already talking about another Matrix movie so maybe early 2000’s nostalgia will start to be big in this era.


Zers had to learn from somewhere in the 2000s. Late Millennials already had their childhood cultural identity before entering the 2000s.

To be honest with you, I have no idea what late Millennials think of the kid culture of the year 2000.

As an XYer, I wasn’t thrilled to see “The Super Mario Super Show” had been moved for “Tiny Toon Adventures” in 1990.

I’m sure late Millennials would much rather look back to any part of 1998 to early 1999 than remember any part of the 2000s. Everything late Millennials loved in the 2000s was there from the late 90s. That’s usually how it goes.

Zers had to learn from somewhere in the 2000s. Late Millennials already had their childhood cultural identity before entering the 2000s.

To be honest with you, I have no idea what late Millennials think of the kid culture of the year 2000.

As an XYer, I was thrilled to see “The Super Mario Super Show” had been moved or replaced with “Tiny Toon Adventures” in 1990.

I’m sure late Millennials would much look back to the late 90s than remember any part of the 2000s. Everything late Millennials loved in the 2000s was there from the late 90s. That’s usually how it goes.


Yeah but we’re talking about Heinz colored EZ ketchup here not cartoons, the ketchup trend started out in 2000 and discontinued in 2006. Technically that is a 2000’s kid thing that was influenced by millennials sure, but was more of a 2000’s kid trend not a 90’s kid trend. I understand if you get defensive about your pre 21st century upbringing,(a lot of 80’s babies do)but we are talking about culture as a whole. If there was no such thing as dates, decades or years the late 90’s and early 2000’s could probably be considered one cohesive sub unit especially when it comes to the kid culture of that time.

Technically the influencers of pop culture in the late 90’s were gen x. They were the ones who influenced and directed their audience to the new generation. The millennials. A 4 year old in 1997 doesn’t have a full cultural identity outside of childhood culture and the pop music they hear/like in the radio. Manufacturers technically directed their profit to parents of those born in the 90’s during the late 90’s and early 2000’s. There’s no way I can see 16 year old playing with a furby in 1999.

Scientists like to define generations by what groups did as adults, but it is much easier to look at generations by their childhood culture.

Millennials (not counting teen moms) did start having children in the 2010s, but a lot of the culture we know the ‘10s for was geared towards Zers. That’s why I called the 2010s the main culural decade of Zers.


But if you're still defining generations by childhood culture, then why are you now pushing Gen Z culture to the 2010s? Either you consider this Gen Z's 'coming of age' years or childhood years? But I'd still disagree, and consider early-mid 2010s Millennial culture. But anyways, I had enough feeding trolls for today. Nighty night :).

The other morning there was a local band who performed on my local news station and they were hipster as hell... Total stereotypical hipster with the style of the song, the fashion they were wearing, thick round glasses, everything. Hipsters are definitely not dead yet. At least not here in Canada as I've witnessed the other morning.

The other morning there was a local band who performed on my local news station and they were hipster as hell... Total stereotypical hipster with the style of the song, the fashion they were wearing, thick round glasses, everything. Hipsters are definitely not dead yet. At least not here in Canada as I've witnessed the other morning.


Was it Arkells?. .. They were my life back in 2014 lmao. Not a fan of their last two albums but they've only grown in popularity since.

Was it Arkells?. .. They were my life back in 2014 lmao. Not a fan of their last two albums but they've only grown in popularity since.

No it was a band called Birds of Bellwoods.

No it was a band called Birds of Bellwoods.


I will check them out. I've been itching for a mid-2010s revival.

The other morning there was a local band who performed on my local news station and they were hipster as hell... Total stereotypical hipster with the style of the song, the fashion they were wearing, thick round glasses, everything. Hipsters are definitely not dead yet. At least not here in Canada as I've witnessed the other morning.


Well, these "hipsters" need to know that their movement is dying and the new generation is wearing something different:

https://www.forever21.com/images/5_detail_750/00334975-03.jpg

https://www.forever21.com/images/default_330/00369005-02.jpg

Yeah but we’re talking about Heinz colored EZ ketchup here not cartoons, the ketchup trend started out in 2000 and discontinued in 2006. Technically that is a 2000’s kid thing that was influenced by millennials sure, but was more of a 2000’s kid trend not a 90’s kid trend. I understand if you get defensive about your pre 21st century upbringing,(a lot of 80’s babies do)but we are talking about culture as a whole. If there was no such thing as dates, decades or years the late 90’s and early 2000’s could probably be considered one cohesive sub unit especially when it comes to the kid culture of that time.

Technically the influencers of pop culture in the late 90’s were gen x. They were the ones who influenced and directed their audience to the new generation. The millennials. A 4 year old in 1997 doesn’t have a full cultural identity outside of childhood culture and the pop music they hear/like in the radio. Manufacturers technically directed their profit to parents of those born in the 90’s during the late 90’s and early 2000’s. There’s no way I can see 16 year old playing with a furby in 1999.


The point I was trying to make by going back to the 90s was that people my age (XYers) did not care for the new kid culture of the 90s like Millennials did. Late Millennials most likely prefer what came out for children in the late 90s over what was around in the year 2000.

But if you're still defining generations by childhood culture, then why are you now pushing Gen Z culture to the 2010s? Either you consider this Gen Z's 'coming of age' years or childhood years? But I'd still disagree, and consider early-mid 2010s Millennial culture. But anyways, I had enough feeding trolls for today. Nighty night :).


How is the early to mid 2010s the eras of Millennial ‘coming of age’ culture when all through the 2000s was the period of Millennial ‘coming of age’ culture?  :o

Millennials: Childhood years took place in the 90s. The ‘coming of age’ years were in the 2000s.

Zers: Childhood Years - 2000s/Coming of Age Years - 2010s

I had it right the first time.

Yeah but we’re talking about Heinz colored EZ ketchup here not cartoons, the ketchup trend started out in 2000 and discontinued in 2006. Technically that is a 2000’s kid thing that was influenced by millennials sure, but was more of a 2000’s kid trend not a 90’s kid trend. I understand if you get defensive about your pre 21st century upbringing,(a lot of 80’s babies do)but we are talking about culture as a whole. If there was no such thing as dates, decades or years the late 90’s and early 2000’s could probably be considered one cohesive sub unit especially when it comes to the kid culture of that time.

Technically the influencers of pop culture in the late 90’s were gen x. They were the ones who influenced and directed their audience to the new generation. The millennials. A 4 year old in 1997 doesn’t have a full cultural identity outside of childhood culture and the pop music they hear/like in the radio. Manufacturers technically directed their profit to parents of those born in the 90’s during the late 90’s and early 2000’s. There’s no way I can see 16 year old playing with a furby in 1999.


The influencers of pop culture in the late 90s were XYers for the most part. Late Xer influencers of pop culture stopped being good after 1993 or so. XY took over in the mid 90s.

The other morning there was a local band who performed on my local news station and they were hipster as hell... Total stereotypical hipster with the style of the song, the fashion they were wearing, thick round glasses, everything. Hipsters are definitely not dead yet. At least not here in Canada as I've witnessed the other morning.


Perhaps that's it. Maybe in Canada, certain cultural trends simply just arrive later, and thus fizzle out later as well. Here in the States, it's not to say that certain aspects of hipster culture and fashion are completely dead (I still see my fair share of guys sport bushy beards and manbuns or girls with bright blonde hair, acid wash jeans, and 'retro' glasses, and many people still have that mindset of hating on things merely because it's 'mainstream' without being particularly conscious about it), but the stereotypical hipster you just described...... that's hasn't been notable for like 3-4 years now. Here in the states, the cultural zeitgeist of stereotypical hipsters, like the one you described, was around from roughly 2011-2016/Early 2017, especially for the 18-30 crowd. For those under 18, it died out even quicker but didn't start to gain considerable influence until like 2013 or so, but then fizzled out in around Late 2016/Early 2017 as 'Normcore', 'Fly boy', 'Streetware' and other Gen Z styles started to emerge and gain influence.

The point I was trying to make by going back to the 90s was that people my age (XYers) did not care for the new kid culture of the 90s like Millennials did. Late Millennials most likely prefer what came out for children in the late 90s over what was around in the year 2000.


If we define late millennials as those born in 1994/1995 they would’ve been 4- 5 when the 90’s ended. They would’ve spent a majority of their childhood/formative years in the 2000’s not 90’s. Late millennials usually glorify y2k culture in general which was equally late 90’s and early 2000’s. You keep saying that mid 90’s babies cultural identity started in the 90’s yet it was the y2k era by the time they were able to consciously remember anything. This could apply to my year too since we were children during the peak of the y2k era in 2000. I’m not trying to be on your bad side but a lot of your arguments are contradictory. You cherry pick certain years pre 21st century and attach to your generation as if it’s some sort of secret club house. A 5 year old in 1999 isn’t going to recognize a shift in childhood culture in 2000 or 2001. No offense but for someone in their 30’s that’s a bit childish.

The influencers of pop culture in the late 90s were XYers for the most part. Late Xer influencers of pop culture stopped being good after 1993 or so. XY took over in the mid 90s.


No they didn’t Britney, Xtina, All member of Nsync, Backstreet boys, Spice girls etc were all member of Gen X or X/Y cusp. They influenced the culture for millennials in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. Mid 90’s was pure Gen X, Alanis Morissette, Mariah Carey, Boyz II Men, Celine Dion, etc. Mid 90’s was dominated by pure Gen X.

Absolutely. The 2010s vibe is still very much alive. It's interesting because this was not the case in 2009 and 1999 for their respective decades but it was the case for 1989. We have another 1989 situation I think. 2010s culture is still really big in 2019 but will probably die around 2021.


1989 was when the 90's culture began. The first Batman movie, The Simpsons, Cops, Baywatch, Saved by the Bell, New Jack Swing, Gangsta Rap, Sega Genesis, Nintendo Gameboy, etc. That year totally revolutionized pop culture.

1989 was when the 90's culture began. The first Batman movie, The Simpsons, Cops, Baywatch, Saved by the Bell, New Jack Swing, Gangsta Rap, Sega Genesis, Nintendo Gameboy, etc. That year totally revolutionized pop culture.

Ok I was not around then so I can't argue that but I guess an even better example is the '70s in 1979 where the '70s culture was still really big with disco in and all that.

Well, these "hipsters" need to know that their movement is dying and the new generation is wearing something different:

https://www.forever21.com/images/5_detail_750/00334975-03.jpg

https://www.forever21.com/images/default_330/00369005-02.jpg


So...THIS is considered non-hipster?

I mean...this just looks like a current version of hipster.

Am I  really the only person on this board that understands hipsterism spans across generations?! GAHHH!!!

There’s not a Billie Eilish on the charts or Donald Trump in office?

I mean, you could see try to see 2018 and 2019 as the earliest years of the 2020s, but this part of the 2010s is still very 2010s. When musicians, actors, athletes, and video game makers that Zers like fall off completely or disappear, we will be in a new time. Give it one more year.


I know Retro is gone but I'mma reply anyway.

I think Trump is sorta old news by now unlike Obama in 2008 but you do have a point with Billie Eilish. I guess my issue with Eilish right now is that she doesn't seem all that new or different outside her fashion and her personality. I think if she and her team (or brother) worked hard enough and really left their comfort zones by making something very experimental and very catchy, she'd truly be the new diva so many are saying she is.

I know Retro is gone but I'mma reply anyway.

I think Trump is sorta old news by now unlike Obama in 2008 but you do have a point with Billie Eilish. I guess my issue with Eilish right now is that she doesn't seem all that new or different outside her fashion and her personality. I think if she and her team (or brother) worked hard enough and really left their comfort zones by making something very experimental and very catchy, she'd truly be the new diva so many are saying she is.


you were born in 86 and knows who Billie Eilish is? shes like 15 years younger then you lol

Yes, it's still on but past its Apex. Big Bang Theory and Game of Thrones are ending, EDM is fading, PS4 and Xbox One are approaching the end of their lifecycles, Billie Eilish and Khalid are now dominant in pop music, and YouTubers like Tyler Oakley, FouseyTube, SkydoesMinecraft, and Leafyishere are now irrelevant.

I'd say the Apex was from September 2013 to August 2017, the core 2010s pretty much.

you were born in 86 and knows who Billie Eilish is? shes like 15 years younger then you lol

But she is also famous. Though I would probably not know who she is either if I didn't keep up with pop culture. Seems like these days it is easier to get away from the mainstream. But in the year 1999 for example it would be extremely odd to not know who Britney Spears was because you had less methods available to escape.

So...THIS is considered non-hipster?

I mean...this just looks like a current version of hipster.

Am I  really the only person on this board that understands hipsterism spans across generations?! GAHHH!!!


I mean yeah, hipsters are multi-generational, except in the 2010s they were also a proper subculture as opposed to a blanket term for one. It had distinct characteristics that made it more like hippies or Beats in another time.

you were born in 86 and knows who Billie Eilish is? shes like 15 years younger then you lol


Ya know what? This doesn't even offend me. If you live long enough, you're also gonna experience ignorant youngins saying crap like this to you eventually.  It's all just a matter of time.  8)

But she is also famous. Though I would probably not know who she is either if I didn't keep up with pop culture. Seems like these days it is easier to get away from the mainstream. But in the year 1999 for example it would be extremely odd to not know who Britney Spears was because you had less methods available to escape.


I'm a very indie, underground, experimental oriented person and it's becoming harder to escape Billie Eilish with every passing season. She's number 1 on the charts now so it's next to impossible to not have at least passed by Bad Guy if you have to go out in public a lot.

you were born in 86 and knows who Billie Eilish is? shes like 15 years younger then you lol


sus shes literally #1 in the charts rn lmaooooo

you were born in 86 and knows who Billie Eilish is? shes like 15 years younger then you lol
Putting it into context, being in the UK, I have never heard of her.

sus shes literally #1 in the charts rn lmaooooo


I think dj has had different usernames on this board.

It's still alive for me, what with music streaming, gender conforming fashion, rock being dead and the overall culture.

Well, not anymore. November 2019 may as well be five years ago already. Nobody would have predicted this in 2020.

Yeah, it feels like we're already in a new era.

Well, not anymore. November 2019 may as well be five years ago already. Nobody would have predicted this in 2020.


Looks like nobody had the 2020 vision to see this coming.

For the late 2010s, yeah it's still pretty present. I feel like we probably won't start to notice a major switch until this Covid-19 stuff dies down enough that normal life could resume back to the way it was.

For the late 2010s, yeah it's still pretty present. I feel like we probably won't start to notice a major switch until this Covid-19 stuff dies down enough that normal life could resume back to the way it was.

Make no mistake. This is a 2020s event in all ways, not a 2010s one. Pre-pandemic normal won't return in a while even after things start opening back up. People are not going to be comfortable shaking others' hands for example or having large gatherings for a while. This is early 2020s in all ways. And who really knows what will happen later on this decade? Maybe things get even more crazier?

Make no mistake. This is a 2020s event in all ways, not a 2010s one. Pre-pandemic normal won't return in a while even after things start opening back up. People are not going to be comfortable shaking others' hands for example or having large gatherings for a while. This is early 2020s in all ways. And who really knows what will happen later on this decade? Maybe things get even more crazier?

I agree.