Just think about it. The early 2010s ended in 2012/2013 and that is when the mid-2010s began. Things before and after 2013 were different, Late 2012 and 2013 is also when hipster culture began going mainstream. 2016 needs no explanation. It said up the late 2010s and the era we are currently living in.

I agree that 2016 set up the culture that we are in today but the early 2010s did not end in late 2012. It was declining in late 2012 but it was still early 2010s nonetheless. 2013 is neither strongly early or mid 2010s. I would say the mid 2010s culture fully arrived around 2014, maybe in the summer. Hipster culture was already mainstream in 2011.

Yeah, late 2012 is still strongly early 2010s, the only difference would be that Trap was going through heavy stylistic changes and the fact of it becoming a dominant mainstream force was getting more and more plausible. In a way december 2012 felt like a culmination since it's when the Mayan end-of-world was supposedely taking place which was heavily hyped up since 2009. That's probably another reason in my head why 2013 felt noticeably different from the years before, you didn't have that apocalyptic fear/enthusiasm driving the culture anymore:
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Yeah, late 2012 is still strongly early 2010s, the only difference would be that Trap was going through heavy stylistic changes and the fact of it becoming a dominant mainstream force was getting more and more plausible. In a way december 2012 felt like a culmination since it's when the Mayan end-of-world was supposedely taking place which was heavily hyped up since 2009. That's probably another reason in my head why 2013 felt noticeably different from the years before, you didn't have that apocalyptic fear/enthusiasm driving the culture anymore:
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I thought the song "Don't You Worry Child" was the song that felt like a "finale" in some sort of way. It was the last big Eurodance/Electro House type of hit. Same with Clarity.

Yeah, I agree. I think maybe 2021 will be another cultural transition as well.

2012 was 100% early 2010s. Not an ounce of mid 2010s even in December and there is nothing in the world that can ever change my mind on that. No way was 2012 in any way anything but 100% early 2010s all throughout...  2013 was mostly early 2010s but it was transitional, became mid 2010s near the end of 2013. The summer of that year felt unique like a neither nor in many ways especially music-wise. For 2016 I personally see it as a predominately late 2010s year, but it was also transitional.

It's weird how many folks on this site seem to have a stroke when you mention 2003 being mid 2000s year but yet never bat an eye when someone says 2012 was mid 2010s. It's crazy.  :P

I noticed that in late 2012, Hip Hop was coming back in the mainstream and Electropop, while still dominant, was declining rapidly. Macklemore, Drake, Nicki Minaj, were taking over. That electropop feeling was gone before the 2013 school year even happened, it's like Proto-Mid 2010s in August, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake's Suit and Tie, were all popular. Shows like Orange is the new black is coming in, while Disney Channel was pretty much gone from the youth. It just felt blank and bland. I remember playing Roblox alot as a 9 year old in August 2013 because that month went slow for me. And then this Mid 2010s vibe came in on September 2013 with the release of iOS 7, Trap music, Mid 2010s EDM like Get lucky, turn down for what, Summer by Calvin Harris, etc. And then Clean Bandit, Iggy Azalea, Robin Thicke, Sam Smith, John Legend, music was pretty much off to a new start, it was fun! 8th Generation consoles got released, and GTA 5 was the game everybody was raving about. Vine became popular, thus, allowing the not-yet notorious Paul Brothers, Lele Pons, Thomas Sanders, and other viners being popular. Instagram took over Facebook in popularity, its just like new stars being formed! This is based on my opinion btw, some of you may hate this era, but I loved it.

I'd say the Mid 2010s pop culture was fully developed by September 2014, when Trap became more rap than pop/EDM, and new YouTubers coming in, but any early 2010s culture lasted until July/august 2015, and then September 2015 to August 2016 was PURE mid 2010s. And then things went dark by September 2016 and I dont even know why...

I'd say 2016 was more of a shift than a transition, because up to August 2016 was still completely Mid 2010s, while September 2016 and newer felt more Late 2010s.

The early 2010s didn’t end in late 2012 though. Late 2013 sure (even that is debatable) but 2012 was an early 2010s year through and through. 2012 was in the peak of the early 2010s and everything from music, film, fashion, and internet culture was very heavily early 2010s.

Also, I think that the electropop era and the early 2010s were two different eras that happened to overlap.
The electropop era lasted from somewhere around 2009 to 2011 while the early 2010s were from 2010 to 2013.

I agree with most of you. What is this pop culture shift in late 2012 that people in this board are talking about? 2012 felt the same from the start to finish. The changes in late 2012 were minimal and not huge game changers. It was a strongly early 2010s year. Early 2013 felt like 2011-2012 but you could see hints of changes. The changes become noticeable around summer 2013 but not complete yet, and the mid 2010s culture took over at the tail end of 2013, even though there were leftovers from the early 2010s. The leftovers were gone in the Fall of 2014.

I noticed that in late 2012, Hip Hop was coming back in the mainstream and Electropop, while still dominant, was declining rapidly. Macklemore, Drake, Nicki Minaj, were taking over. That electropop feeling was gone before the 2013 school year even happened, it's like Proto-Mid 2010s in August, Lorde, Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake's Suit and Tie, were all popular. Shows like Orange is the new black is coming in, while Disney Channel was pretty much gone from the youth. It just felt blank and bland. I remember playing Roblox alot as a 9 year old in August 2013 because that month went slow for me. And then this Mid 2010s vibe came in on September 2013 with the release of iOS 7, Trap music, Mid 2010s EDM like Get lucky, turn down for what, Summer by Calvin Harris, etc. And then Clean Bandit, Iggy Azalea, Robin Thicke, Sam Smith, John Legend, music was pretty much off to a new start, it was fun! 8th Generation consoles got released, and GTA 5 was the game everybody was raving about. Vine became popular, thus, allowing the not-yet notorious Paul Brothers, Lele Pons, Thomas Sanders, and other viners being popular. Instagram took over Facebook in popularity, its just like new stars being formed! This is based on my opinion btw, some of you may hate this era, but I loved it.

I'd say the Mid 2010s pop culture was fully developed by September 2014, when Trap became more rap than pop/EDM, and new YouTubers coming in, but any early 2010s culture lasted until July/august 2015, and then September 2015 to August 2016 was PURE mid 2010s. And then things went dark by September 2016 and I dont even know why...

I'd say 2016 was more of a shift than a transition, because up to August 2016 was still completely Mid 2010s, while September 2016 and newer felt more Late 2010s.


Lol, I played Roblox as well in the early 2010s, started in 2011. It had a very different environment before it became mainstream in the mid-2010s.

Yes, 2012 was mostly an early 2010s year. 2013 is definitely the transitional year, but late 2012 is when the changes first started happening. I also consider the late 2000s and the early 2010s to be one era, like the late 90s-early 00s, and the other transitional periods between two decades. I considered the peak of this to be 2010/2011. In late 2012, early 2010s culture was starting to die out and what mostly phased out by the end of 2013.

2012 was 100% early 2010s. Not an ounce of mid 2010s even in December and there is nothing in the world that can ever change my mind on that. No way was 2012 in any way anything but 100% early 2010s all throughout...  2013 was mostly early 2010s but it was transitional, became mid 2010s near the end of 2013. The summer of that year felt unique like a neither nor in many ways especially music-wise. For 2016 I personally see it as a predominately late 2010s year, but it was also transitional.

It's weird how many folks on this site seem to have a stroke when you mention 2003 being mid 2000s year but yet never bat an eye when someone says 2012 was mid 2010s. It's crazy.  :P

Yeah, 2012 was definitely not mid-2010’s IMO. Not only was it still the electropop era, but it was the last year before Vine released and before artists like Ariana Grande got more and more popular.

Yeah, 2012 was definitely not mid-2010’s IMO. Not only was it still the electropop era, but it was the last year before Vine released and before artists like Ariana Grande got more and more popular.


Yeah. Late 2012 was the only part where hints of the mid 2010s are shown but otherwise, 2012 is 99% Early 2010s.

Just think about it. The early 2010s ended in 2012/2013 and that is when the mid-2010s began. Things before and after 2013 were different, Late 2012 and 2013 is also when hipster culture began going mainstream. 2016 needs no explanation. It said up the late 2010s and the era we are currently living in.

I agree and I resent those changes to this day.

Yeah. Late 2012 was the only part where hints of the mid 2010s are shown but otherwise, 2012 is 99% Early 2010s.

No way. Late 2012 does not have hints of mid 2010s.... I don't know how anyone can say that. Even calling 2013 a mid '10s year is a stretch but 2012?

Imo, January-August 2013 & September '16-August '17 were the transitions.

Imo, January-August 2013 & September '16-August '17 were the transitions.


THIS. Although I think the transition started in Spring 2013.

Imo, January-August 2013 & September '16-August '17 were the transitions.

I think the transition started later in the spring and as for the late 2010s, I strongly disagree with it continuing into 2017... Especially all the way to August... The late '10s transition ended in 2016. Brexit in June of 2016 was the end of the transition and the start of late 2010s culture. I don't know why people call 2017 a transitional year, I just don't see it. It looks 100% late 2010s from start to finish. Chainsmokers are a late 2010s band, EDM is a late 2010s genre, Trump is a late 2010s president.... If anything 2017 was the quintessential late 2010s year..

You can also argue there was no mid 2010s. This decade was split politically, the Obama era and Trump era. And pop culturally you can also divide it in two. Early 2010s culture being Late 2008 - early 2015 and late 2010s culture from mid 2015 (when Trump came on the scene) - 2019. Overall the decade was consistent but you can also call it a split decade too with no mid 2010s but just early and late.

There were some songs that came out in late 2014 that I could have sworn were early 2010s songs that came out earlier in the decade just based on how it sounds. This song is an example:

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Looking back now I can honestly say 2014 had a lot more in common with the early 2010s than today. 2015 is about 50/50.

You can also argue there was no mid 2010s. This decade was split politically, the Obama era and Trump era. And pop culturally you can also divide it in two. Early 2010s culture being Late 2008 - early 2015 and late 2010s culture from mid 2015 (when Trump came on the scene) - 2019. Overall the decade was consistent but you can also call it a split decade too with no mid 2010s but just early and late.

There were some songs that came out in late 2014 that I could have sworn were early 2010s songs that came out earlier in the decade just based on how it sounds. This song is an example:

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Looking back now I can honestly say 2014 had a lot more in common with the early 2010s than today. 2015 is about 50/50.

I recall there were some songs in 2014 in the "early 2010s" style. I even consider Ariana Grande's "Break Free" which was a big in the summer of 2014 the last hurrah for the style.
But for the most part they were few and far between, and it wasn't the dominating style anymore anyway.

"Up We Go" was a minor Canadian hit, not even reaching the top 30 on the Canadian charts.
Meanwhile in late 2014, this was a top 10 song in the US:

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Plus there are other stuff besides music that put 2014 closer to 2019 than the  early 2010s, things like Vine (which wasn't too far in concept from nowadays' TikTok), Netflix original shows, the flat design being the dominating UI, and so on.

2014 was not early 2010s musically but the themes, upbeat music, and cheesiness makes it more inclined towards the music of the early 2010s than the late 2010s. I can't imagine songs like Happy, Shake It Off, Rude, Talk Dirty, Bang Bang, and Fancy being released today.  Even the EDM of 2014 still has that buzzing synths the early 2010s are known for:

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I think the transition started later in the spring and as for the late 2010s, I strongly disagree with it continuing into 2017... Especially all the way to August... The late '10s transition ended in 2016. Brexit in June of 2016 was the end of the transition and the start of late 2010s culture. I don't know why people call 2017 a transitional year, I just don't see it. It looks 100% late 2010s from start to finish. Chainsmokers are a late 2010s band, EDM is a late 2010s genre, Trump is a late 2010s president.... If anything 2017 was the quintessential late 2010s year..


Trump didn't actually become president until January 2017. Chainsmokers were active in the mid 2010's (even in 2013 with "#Selfie") as the late. Also in 2016, Cardi B and Migos were yet to be heard. Ed Sheeran is more of a late 2010's artist, and latin pop was also a big genre during the time, and also Ariana Grande's later albums and Dua Lipa. I'd say 2018 is more of the quintessential year because 2017 and 2019 were/are both stale and lacked character.

"Up We Go" was a minor Canadian hit, not even reaching the top 30 on the Canadian charts.

Yeah but I remember hearing it on the radio a lot at work.

I still think 2014 was more connected to the early 2010s than today but that's just me. Even politically here in Canada Harper was prime minister and in US Obama was president and that feels like forever ago now. Yeah there were some things that came out then that are relevant today but still looking back I think it relates a lot more to the early '10s.

No way. Late 2012 does not have hints of mid 2010s.... I don't know how anyone can say that. Even calling 2013 a mid '10s year is a stretch but 2012?


The undercut hairstyle that has become the male hairstyle of this decade (Almost every guy has had this haircut at one point in the last 7 years, I still see many guys with it but not as often as before) all started with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes (Macklemore Thriftshop if the video link doesn't work)

So, while 2012 was the still early 2010s, there was definitely hints of mid-2010s culture that were showing up that year. On top of that, its is the year Windows 8 was released with the Metro UI which was very different than the Skeumorphic Interfaces used in the early 2010s. Galaxy S3 was released which was the Galaxy that brought Samsung into the limelight along with the iPhone 5. The Selfie became very popular in 2012 and word of the year in 2013. The last iPod touch was released (The 6th and 7th gen versions are almost unheard of). iOS 7 was released in 2013. Apple and Google Introduced Emojis on their keyboards in 2012 and 2013. Minecraft became very popular in 2012 and hit its peak in 2013. 8th gen consoles were announced in 2012 and released in 2013. GTA 5 was released in 2013. Obama and Mitt Romny face off in the 2012 elections and many other events. 2012 was an early 2010s year but it was the definite start of the transition period. The transition to what became the mid-2010s all started in 2012 or 2013. That is why I wrote 2012/2013 rather than just 2013. This also seems to be the case for 1972, 1982, 1992, and 2002. The transition to the core part of a decade almost always begins in the year ending with a 2 and extends and completes in a year ending with a 3. The year ending in a 4 is completely part of the mid or core of the decade. This has been consistent since 1963.

On a side note, I guess in a way the world really did end in 2012.

The undercut hairstyle that has become the male hairstyle of this decade (Almost every guy has had this haircut at one point in the last 7 years, I still see many guys with it but not as often as before) all started with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes (Macklemore Thriftshop if the video link doesn't work)

So, while 2012 was the still early 2010s, there was definitely hints of mid-2010s culture that were showing up that year. On top of that, its is the year Windows 8 was released with the Metro UI which was very different than the Skeumorphic Interfaces used in the early 2010s. Galaxy S3 was released which was the Galaxy that brought Samsung into the limelight along with the iPhone 5. The Selfie became very popular in 2012 and word of the year in 2013. The last iPod touch was released (The 6th and 7th gen versions are almost unheard of). iOS 7 was released in 2013. Apple and Google Introduced Emojis on their keyboards in 2012 and 2013. Minecraft became very popular in 2012 and hit its peak in 2013. 8th gen consoles were announced in 2012 and released in 2013. GTA 5 was released in 2013. Obama and Mitt Romny face off in the 2012 elections and many other events. 2012 was an early 2010s year but it was the definite start of the transition period. The transition to what became the mid-2010s all started in 2012 or 2013. That is why I wrote 2012/2013 rather than just 2013. This also seems to be the case for 1972, 1982, 1992, and 2002. The transition to the core part of a decade almost always begins in the year ending with a 2 and extends and completes in a year ending with a 3. The year ending in a 4 is completely part of the mid or core of the decade. This has been consistent since 1963.

On a side note, I guess in a way the world really did end in 2012.


Emojis actually was introduced in the iPhone 4s in 2011. Minecraft became popular in 2011 as well. People have been taking selfies since the MySpace days. Plus, flat design came with the Windows phone in 2010. You already start seeing core 10s trends in 2011, the earliest in 2009. Every year has their own transition. It's just that 2013 and 2016 had the strongest this decade.

The undercut hairstyle that has become the male hairstyle of this decade (Almost every guy has had this haircut at one point in the last 7 years, I still see many guys with it but not as often as before) all started with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes (Macklemore Thriftshop if the video link doesn't work)

The one thing that annoys me very much about the 2010s.

The one thing that annoys me very much about the 2010s.


Agreed. Nothing wrong with the hairstyle itself, what bugs me is the fact that almost every guy from high school up until the age of 40 has it. Though, the good news is that it's changing. I don't know what hairstyles will define the 2020s, but I guess it will be a return to more natural medium length hairstyles with very little product usage or longer hairstyles, at least for the guys.

Emojis actually was introduced in the iPhone 4s in 2011. Minecraft became popular in 2011 as well. People have been taking selfies since the MySpace days. Plus, flat design came with the Windows phone in 2010. You already start seeing core 10s trends in 2011, the earliest in 2009. Every year has their own transition. It's just that 2013 and 2016 had the strongest this decade.


Well, you are right about the Emojis. I guess the article read was wrong. Minecraft became much more popular in late 2011 than early 2011 because that is when beta 1.8 (Adventure update) and the official release version came out. People have been taking selfies since 1839, sure they became more popular during the myspace era but they didn't explode until 2012 and 2013, that is when the modern selfie, as we came to know it, had been born. Metro design did come with the first windows phone in 2010, but no one cared or knew about Microsoft as a phone company back then. Flat design didn't become mainstream or gain any attention until Microsoft used it Windows 8, which got a huge backlash when it was first revealed (2012 and 2013 were not good years for Microsoft).

Anyone who says the Chainsmokers were popular in the mid 2010s doesn't remember history lol. Selfie song was a meme, they were not a band who was constantly on the radio and popular with the mainstream until 2016. They were at their peak in 2016 - 2017, which are late 2010s years.

As for that comment about Thrift Shop coming out in 2012 and people saying that song is mid 2010s... completely false. Hipster movement started as early as 2011. That song is still an early 2010s song so that is a terrible example. Late 2012 is NOT the start of the transition and 2012 is 100% early 2010s not mid 2010s. I think it's absolutely crazy to state otherwise. 2011 and 2012 were identical years. 2013 was the transition, 2014 was then a little bit different.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with the hairstyle itself, what bugs me is the fact that almost every guy from high school up until the age of 40 has it. Though, the good news is that it's changing. I don't know what hairstyles will define the 2020s, but I guess it will be a return to more natural medium length hairstyles with very little product usage or longer hairstyles, at least for the guys.

I just want a more gender non-conforming look back for guys, which was more commonplace from the second half of the 2000s until around 2013.

Thrift Shop is a special song. The song was part of the hipster movement that was already making waves in 2011, but it has a silly and meme novelty behind it. The song's chorus incorporates electro synths. I can't believe we live in a time where almost every rap song has a trap beat when this song is the biggest in 2013.

Anyone who says the Chainsmokers were popular in the mid 2010s doesn't remember history lol. Selfie song was a meme, they were not a band who was constantly on the radio and popular with the mainstream until 2016. They were at their peak in 2016 - 2017, which are late 2010s years.

As for that comment about Thrift Shop coming out in 2012 and people saying that song is mid 2010s... completely false. Hipster movement started as early as 2011. That song is still an early 2010s song so that is a terrible example. Late 2012 is NOT the start of the transition and 2012 is 100% early 2010s not mid 2010s. I think it's absolutely crazy to state otherwise. 2011 and 2012 were identical years. 2013 was the transition, 2014 was then a little bit different.


I never stated the song was the start of Hipster culture, I never stated that it was a mid-2010s song. What I said was that the song made the undercut popular. You didn't see anyone around with an undercut before 2012 but after Macklemore showed it off in Thrift shop it became much more popular. That hairstyle is the male hairstyle of this decade and it became popular in the early mid-2010s, but its popularity began in late 2012. And I still stand with the fact that 2012 was the start of the transition, it may have been an early 2010s year, but it was DEFINITELY the start of the transition.

I never stated the song was the start of Hipster culture, I never stated that it was a mid-2010s song. What I said was that the song made the undercut popular. You didn't see anyone around with an undercut before 2012 but after Macklemore showed it off in Thrift shop it became much more popular. That hairstyle is the male hairstyle of this decade and it became popular in the early mid-2010s, but its popularity began in late 2012. And I still stand with the fact that 2012 was the start of the transition, it may have been an early 2010s year, but it was DEFINITELY the start of the transition.

No it wasn't. Far from it. 2012 was not the start of any transition at all. It was early '00s 100%, not a transition. I could say the same thing about 2001 being some transition into the mid '00s by taking some minor examples, but I would still be wrong. 2012 was NOT the start of the transition, neither was late 2012, it was identical to 2011 and a 100% early 2010s year. Heck I would say 2011 was more transitional than 2012 (not for mid '10s but just general transition) when more people got smartphones that year. 2013 was the start of the transition to the mid '10s.

No it wasn't. Far from it. 2012 was not the start of any transition at all. It was early '00s 100%, not a transition. I could say the same thing about 2001 being some transition into the mid '00s by taking some minor examples, but I would still be wrong. 2012 was NOT the start of the transition, neither was late 2012, it was identical to 2011 and a 100% early 2010s year. Heck I would say 2011 was more transitional than 2012 (not for mid '10s but just general transition) when more people got smartphones that year. 2013 was the start of the transition to the mid '10s.


I think some people are confusing "core" with "mid". Undercuts aren't exclusively mid 2010s, they're core 2010s trends.

I think some people are confusing "core" with "mid". Undercuts aren't exclusively mid 2010s, they're core 2010s trends.

True. I'm fine with '11 and '12 being part of core 2010s, GoT was also around, so was hipster culture. But certainly not the start of transition to mid '10s.

Trump didn't actually become president until January 2017. Chainsmokers were active in the mid 2010's (even in 2013 with "#Selfie") as the late. Also in 2016, Cardi B and Migos were yet to be heard. Ed Sheeran is more of a late 2010's artist, and latin pop was also a big genre during the time, and also Ariana Grande's later albums and Dua Lipa. I'd say 2018 is more of the quintessential year because 2017 and 2019 were/are both stale and lacked character.
Migos had been around for a few years at that point. They first hit was Versace in 2013.

2012 is an early 10s year but late 2012 did kick off the 8th generation of gaming with the wii-u and Obama's second term as president so there was a bit culture shift that obviously went full-force in 2013-14 year.

Trap music was definitely becoming a force in rap in 2012 with cheef keef Don't like. That song was played heavy that summer. Rap was still overshadowed by electro-pop that year. Drake was coming into his own that year as the face of hip-hop while Lil Wayne falls into obscenity and Nikki goes pop. The two artist that teamed up with Drake in his young money years circa 2009-2011. Slowpoke said 2012 was when Drake was becoming popular in Canada which is weird because in the US he was already mega-popular in 2010.

Slowpoke said 2012 was when Drake was becoming popular in Canada which is weird because in the US he was already mega-popular in 2010.

You must have misunderstood him. Drake is from Canada... He was popular here in 2008...

Strongly disagree with you saying late 2012 was start of transition... It was completely early 2010s through and through.

Can we all just agree that 2012 is an early '10s year and move on? 2013 is the one that is transitional and game changing. Sure, there are changes in 2012, but they're minor and not culture shifts compared to 2013. Changes happen every year.

Trap music was definitely becoming a force in rap in 2012 with cheef keef Don't like. That song was played heavy that summer. Rap was still overshadowed by electro-pop that year. Drake was coming into his own that year as the face of hip-hop while Lil Wayne falls into obscenity and Nikki goes pop. The two artist that teamed up with Drake in his young money years circa 2009-2011. Slowpoke said 2012 was when Drake was becoming popular in Canada which is weird because in the US he was already mega-popular in 2010.


Yes. Late 2012, I call it

For people who think late '10s didn't start until late 2017, I can only agree with that if the mid '10s were split in two eras. I say this because 2014 and even much of 2015 were extremely different from 2016. Like early 2015 and early 2017 feels like night and day, so if you wanna connect 2016's culture as part of the mid '10s but you realize they were still different eras especially compared to 2014 I'm fine with that. Even politically speaking in 2014 and early 2015 Trump was not even in politics but he was all over the news and media in 2016. This is even more the case as a Canadian given our election in 2015 and the economic downturn. But even pop culturally with music you can notice 2014 feels quite different compared to 2016 and early 2017. That's another reason why I call the 2010s like a split decade. But yeah I can agree there was another little shift in 2017 I guess when trap became the only genre on the radio later in the year and 2016 style EDM started declining. But still not as big as the shift of 2015 - 2016 in my opinion.

For people who think late '10s didn't start until late 2017, I can only agree with that if the mid '10s were split in two eras. I say this because 2014 and even much of 2015 were extremely different from 2016. Like early 2015 and early 2017 feels like night and day, so if you wanna connect 2016's culture as part of the mid '10s but you realize they were still different eras especially compared to 2014 I'm fine with that. Even politically speaking in 2014 and early 2015 Trump was not even in politics but he was all over the news and media in 2016. This is even more the case as a Canadian given our election in 2015 and the economic downturn. But even pop culturally with music you can notice 2014 feels quite different compared to 2016 and early 2017. That's another reason why I call the 2010s like a split decade. But yeah I can agree there was another little shift in 2017 I guess when trap became the only genre on the radio later in the year and 2016 style EDM started declining. But still not as big as the shift of 2015 - 2016 in my opinion.


lol Yeah thats what i've always been trying to say. Core 2010s was mid 2013-mid 2017. 
First part mid 2013- mid 2015
Second part late 2015 - mid 2017

It switched in the middle of 2015 when Trump announced his campaign and music became darker/artists like post Malone started showing up.

Yes. Late 2012, I call it


Trap was already popular with Waka Flocka Flame in 2010/2011. Nicki Minaj already went pop in 2011.

For people who think late '10s didn't start until late 2017, I can only agree with that if the mid '10s were split in two eras. I say this because 2014 and even much of 2015 were extremely different from 2016. Like early 2015 and early 2017 feels like night and day, so if you wanna connect 2016's culture as part of the mid '10s but you realize they were still different eras especially compared to 2014 I'm fine with that. Even politically speaking in 2014 and early 2015 Trump was not even in politics but he was all over the news and media in 2016. This is even more the case as a Canadian given our election in 2015 and the economic downturn. But even pop culturally with music you can notice 2014 feels quite different compared to 2016 and early 2017. That's another reason why I call the 2010s like a split decade. But yeah I can agree there was another little shift in 2017 I guess when trap became the only genre on the radio later in the year and 2016 style EDM started declining. But still not as big as the shift of 2015 - 2016 in my opinion.


Yeah, overall 2016 (especially the early part) and 2015 (especially the later part) were together in the same era. It was the period of people full of anger and hatred, and an overall sense of negativity and loss of hope for the future as well as one social justice issue after another, although in pop culture and my personal life it was a decent time. It's been mentioned that summer of 2016 was the boiling point of everything that started in 2015, including Trump's campaign for presidency. Late 2013 and early 2014 wasn't so great in my personal life, but it seemed relatively quiet for news events.

2013 was the only year of the early 2010s that had the most late Gen Zer culture in it. 2016 was the final year of the mid 2010s to have culture that appealed to both late Gen Zers and Alphas.

2013 and 2016 were far more transitional in the last months of those years (like with every era).

A lot of people also forget that so many songs that were popular in 2012, got released earlier in 2011. For example Call Me Maybe was released in fall of 2011 and around Christmas time of 2011 you were already hearing it on Canadian radio. Somebody That I Used to Know was released 1 year earlier in the summer of 2011. Lights by Ellie Golding was released in 2011 too. And then even in 2013, some songs that got mainstream and popular in 2013 were released 1-2 years earlier. "I Don't Care" by Icona Pop was released in 2012, and "Safe and Sound" by the Capital Cities were released in 2011 even, Thrift Shop was released in 2012... 2012 and even 2013 are very much early 2010s.... I'm surprised a lot of people don't see that. I can agree the shift started in 2013 (not 2012 at all) but 2013 was still a prominently early 2010s year. Just some core 2010s trends have really started getting underway like the word "Selfie". The core 2010s culture can be traced all the way back to 2011. Hipsters have been around as early as 2011 too. Mid 2010s culture are completely different from general core 2010s culture though.

2013 was the only year of the early 2010s that had the most late Gen Zer culture in it. 2016 was the final year of the mid 2010s to have culture that appealed to both late Gen Zers and Alphas.

2013 and 2016 were far more transitional in the last months of those years (like with every era).


Sorry, but I really think you have your generations messed up. Late Gen Z's are preteens right now, and the oldest alphas are 9. The only part of the 2010s that has Gen Z culture is the later part and that is very early Gen Z/Late Millenial Culture. Gen Z culture won't hit its peak until the end of the 2020s, and Alpha culture doesn't begin until the mid-2030s at the earliest.

I think some people are confusing "core" with "mid". Undercuts aren't exclusively mid 2010s, they're core 2010s trends.


Sorry, but can you tell me what the difference is? I thought the core culture of a decade is always associated with the mid-years.

Sorry, but can you tell me what the difference is? I thought the core culture of a decade is always associated with the mid-years.

Core 2010s started in 2011 - GoT, Hipsters, Smartphones everywhere, some EDM, underground trap, capturing Bin Ladin, etc. All of this lasted until around 2018 - 2019 and was the core 2010s this decade. Mid 2010s started in 2014, which was more about teen pop and mainstream trap and some other trends as well as increased in shootings, rise of right wing populism and Trump, etc. It is not the same.

Sorry, but I really think you have your generations messed up. Late Gen Z's are preteens right now, and the oldest alphas are 9. The only part of the 2010s that has Gen Z culture is the later part and that is very early Gen Z/Late Millenial Culture. Gen Z culture won't hit its peak until the end of the 2020s, and Alpha culture doesn't begin until the mid-2030s at the earliest.


Yeah, I figured that poster meant late Gen-Y/Millenials and early Gen-Z.

Core 2010s started in 2011 - GoT, Hipsters, Smartphones everywhere, some EDM, underground trap, capturing Bin Ladin, etc. All of this lasted until around 2018 - 2019 and was the core 2010s this decade. Mid 2010s started in 2014, which was more about teen pop and mainstream trap and some other trends as well as increased in shootings, rise of right wing populism and Trump, etc. It is not the same.


I see, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I did get the mid and core confused. There was also Occupy Wall Street.

Sorry, but I really think you have your generations messed up. Late Gen Z's are preteens right now, and the oldest alphas are 9. The only part of the 2010s that has Gen Z culture is the later part and that is very early Gen Z/Late Millenial Culture. Gen Z culture won't hit its peak until the end of the 2020s, and Alpha culture doesn't begin until the mid-2030s at the earliest.


What are you talking about? Alphas are growing up right now. Did you mean to say that the pop culture events that affect Alphas as teenagers and adults will define them better than the culture they had as children?

What are you talking about? Alphas are growing up right now. Did you mean to say that the pop culture events that affect Alphas as teenagers and adults will define them better than the culture they had as children?


Yes. Your childhood trends don't define the cultural trends of the decade. The 2010s were ALL defined by millennial culture because most Millenials along with the peak of their cohort (born between 87-92) were in their college years. The 2020s is when most Gen Z's will be in their 20s. The dominant culture is always based on what young adults are doing and not on what children or preteens are doing.

Yes. Your childhood trends don't define the cultural trends of the decade. The 2010s were ALL defined by millennial culture because most Millenials along with the peak of their cohort (born between 87-92) were in their college years. The 2020s is when most Gen Z's will be in their 20s. The dominant culture is always based on what young adults are doing and not on what children or preteens are doing.


Generations are defined by some childhood trends and their cultural trends and historical events as young adults.

Generations are defined by some childhood trends and their cultural trends and historical events as young adults.


Yeah, but that is not what I am saying. You said that the 2010s had some Gen Z and alpha culture. Which is what I disagree with. There is absolutely no Gen Z or Alpha culture that was a part of mainstream 2010s culture. What people in the future will remember about the 2010s will all be a culture that the Millenials had defined. Gen Z and Alpha didn't have anything to do with mainstream 2010s culture the same way that Millenials had nothing to do with 90s culture, because even though they were kids during that time, all of the stuff that we know of that is associated with the culture of the 90s was all defined by Gen X. Sure the childhood years of Core and Late Gen Zs as well as Early Alphas was defined in the 2010s, but they themselves weren't responsible for creating that culture, rather they absorbed it.

Yes. Your childhood trends don't define the cultural trends of the decade. The 2010s were ALL defined by millennial culture because most Millenials along with the peak of their cohort (born between 87-92) were in their college years. The 2020s is when most Gen Z's will be in their 20s. The dominant culture is always based on what young adults are doing and not on what children or preteens are doing.


The dominant culture is always based on what teens and young adults are doing!!!!! Not just young adults only. That's false. There were plenty of Gen X trends of the 80's and 90's that targeted teens and young adults.

Yeah, but that is not what I am saying. You said that the 2010s had some Gen Z and alpha culture. Which is what I disagree with. There is absolutely no Gen Z or Alpha culture that was a part of mainstream 2010s culture. What people in the future will remember about the 2010s will all be a culture that the Millenials had defined. Gen Z and Alpha didn't have anything to do with mainstream 2010s culture the same way that Millenials had nothing to do with 90s culture, because even though they were kids during that time, all of the stuff that we know of that is associated with the culture of the 90s was all defined by Gen X. Sure the childhood years of Core and Late Gen Zs as well as Early Alphas was defined in the 2010s, but they themselves weren't responsible for creating that culture, rather they absorbed it.


2015-2019 in mainstream music. The peak of social media with Instagram, Snapchat, modern YouTube, post-Facebook, Twitch, and Twitter combined. The 2016 election and the crazy insane era of politics we've been in the last few years. That's all early Gen Z culture my friend that has impacted teens and young adults. Maybe the early 2010's was the end of the culture predominantly targeting millennials, but definitely not the whole 2010's decade. Also, I don't know who came up with Alpha culture lol, there's absolutely no Alpha culture that exists yet. You're correct that millennials had nothing to do with 90's culture. Most of the 90's culture still targeted Gen X. It wasn't until the late 90's and early 00's when the mainstream pop culture mainly targeted millennials.

Is it just me or was 2017 the year Latin pop got more popular? Like yes, it existed before but I don't think it was until 2017 when Despacito became very popular that more Latin influenced songs were hitting the charts. Cardi B's song "I like it" had a Latin vibe to it and was very popular in 2018.

Is it just me or was 2017 the year Latin pop got more popular? Like yes, it existed before but I don't think it was until 2017 when Despacito became very popular that more Latin influenced songs were hitting the charts. Cardi B's song "I like it" had a Latin vibe to it and was very popular in 2018.


The song "Senorita" has Latin influences.

Yeah, but that is not what I am saying. You said that the 2010s had some Gen Z and alpha culture. Which is what I disagree with. There is absolutely no Gen Z or Alpha culture that was a part of mainstream 2010s culture. What people in the future will remember about the 2010s will all be a culture that the Millenials had defined. Gen Z and Alpha didn't have anything to do with mainstream 2010s culture the same way that Millenials had nothing to do with 90s culture, because even though they were kids during that time, all of the stuff that we know of that is associated with the culture of the 90s was all defined by Gen X. Sure the childhood years of Core and Late Gen Zs as well as Early Alphas was defined in the 2010s, but they themselves weren't responsible for creating that culture, rather they absorbed it.


Baby shark might disagree with you.

Is it just me or was 2017 the year Latin pop got more popular? Like yes, it existed before but I don't think it was until 2017 when Despacito became very popular that more Latin influenced songs were hitting the charts. Cardi B's song "I like it" had a Latin vibe to it and was very popular in 2018.

Latin pop was only a 2017 thing it isn't even popular anymore.

Baby shark might disagree with you.

If you go by the 18-year theory (like I do), Baby Shark would still be Late Z

Latin pop was only a 2017 thing it isn't even popular anymore.


Enrique Iglesias had a few hits in 2018, including the "Move to Miami" song. Earlier this year Sean Paul had a song called "Contra La Pared", but maybe it wasn't that popular.


If you go by the 18-year theory (like I do), Baby Shark would still be Late Z


More like 16 years, so the first of the Alphas/"Baby Shark" generation were born in 2013. Another characteristic of that generation is that Trump is the first president they will remember.

Enrique Iglesias had a few hits in 2018, including the "Move to Miami" song. Earlier this year Sean Paul had a song called "Contra La Pared", but maybe it wasn't that popular.

Latin pop was kind of like dancehall, which was popular in 2016 and extended into early 2017 but then dropped off the face of the earth right after. Same as latin pop which was popular in 2017 and extended a little bit into 2018 and now it's over, made a short run.

2015-2019 in mainstream music. The peak of social media with Instagram, Snapchat, modern YouTube, post-Facebook, Twitch, and Twitter combined. The 2016 election and the crazy insane era of politics we've been in the last few years. That's all early Gen Z culture my friend that has impacted teens and young adults. Maybe the early 2010's was the end of the culture predominantly targeting millennials, but definitely not the whole 2010's decade. Also, I don't know who came up with Alpha culture lol, there's absolutely no Alpha culture that exists yet. You're correct that millennials had nothing to do with 90's culture. Most of the 90's culture still targeted Gen X. It wasn't until the late 90's and early 00's when the mainstream pop culture mainly targeted millennials.


Well, I guess I may have ignored teen culture (Funny considering I was a teen for this entire time period, so I was definitely aware of the trends that were going on). But I still consider the 2010s to be a mostly Millennial decade. Sure teens play a role, but young adult culture is still dominant. Early Gen Z's still act like the Millennial generation in a lot of ways (Believe me I know). Those born in 1995 and 1996 act much more like those born in 1992 or 1991 than the rest of Gen Z who are mostly either in high school or middle school and the youngest in the upper years of elementary school, while the oldest ones are undergrads in University. People in my high school still wore hipster clothing, skinny jeans, flannel and other core 2010s clothing, dyed hair their hair and were very left-leaning. This isn't just limited to Gen Z, early millennials still acted like Gen X from the photos and videos I looked at from the late 90s. But when I look at middle school kids they are very different.
Assuming that people stop paying attention to pop culture by the time they are 25, and since it is generally agreed upon now that the millennial generation's final birth year was 1994. This means that 2019 will be the last year Millenials will be relevant in pop-culture. The Gen Z influence started around 2015 as you said, and it became more dominant in the second half of the 2010s, but it shared this with millennial culture.

Those who are born on the cusp between two generations act much more like the older generation than the younger generation as seen with Xennials and now with Zennials. I guess the reason might be that in high school younger students want to relate to the older students so they dress and act like them. That is why many kids on the internet who are born in 94, 95 or 96 are trying so hard to fit in as 90s kids even though that's not true at all. People born in 95 went to high school with people born from 92-94 and wanted to be like them because they were the older kids, and even in University. But they don't feel the same about younger students who were born from 96-98. High school kids want to look like University kids and will act like them because they were the group that came right before them.

This means that early Gen Z culture is similar to late Millenial culture, as was early Millennial culture with late Gen X (Late 90s/early 2000s), and early Gen X with late boomers (Mid 80s). By the mid-2000s, Millennial culture (Gen Y at the time) was dominant and Gen X culture was irrelevant, as was boomer culture with Gen X culture by the late 80s early 90s, and Boomer culture in the late 60s early 70s. The late 90/early 2000s (Y2K era) are also what we consider the start of teenage millennial culture, like how the mid-80s was for Gen-X, and the mid to late 60s was for boomers. The Millenials had their Young Adult years between the early/mid-2000s to late-2010s. As Gen X did in the late 80s to early 2000s, and the boomers did in the late 60s/early 70s to the mid-80s.

When we think of the 2010s we will not think of it as a decade of Gen Z culture but rather the peak of millennial culture as the 90s was with Gen X, even though their culture started in the mid-80s and carried on into the early 2000s. And how we associated the 70s with the baby boomers even though their culture started in the mid-60s and ended in the early/mid-80s. Gen Z culture started in the mid to late 2010s, but it will be defined in the 2020s and will carry on well into the 2030s. Alpha culture will start in the early to mid-2030s and become dominant by the late 2030s and early 2040s, whereas the mid-2030s will be the transition from Gen Z culture to Alpha culture, like how we are currently in the switch from Millennial culture to Gen Z culture, but even then the peak of Gen Z culture won't be until later in the 2020s, like how the peak of millennial culture didn't begin until the late 2000s/early 2010s.

Latin pop was only a 2017 thing it isn't even popular anymore.


2018 still had a lot of Latin pop, I like it by Cardi B, X by J Baldvin, and other songs from Daddy Yankee and other artists. As what mc98 said, Senorita had some Spanish pop elements too

Agreed. Nothing wrong with the hairstyle itself, what bugs me is the fact that almost every guy from high school up until the age of 40 has it. Though, the good news is that it's changing. I don't know what hairstyles will define the 2020s, but I guess it will be a return to more natural medium length hairstyles with very little product usage or longer hairstyles, at least for the guys.


I don't need any hair product for my undercut ;D (although I still use paste so the wind won't blow my hair away).

2012 is early 2010s.

2013 not so much. By summer 2013 I felt a noticable difference in pop culture. The 7th generation of gaming was wrapping up and the electopop era had wrapped up. It just felt different. By 2014 all early 2010s influences were completely gone.

The early 2010s are an era that seems to have just faded away in the span of a year......

2012 is early 2010s.

2013 not so much. By summer 2013 I felt a noticable difference in pop culture. The 7th generation of gaming was wrapping up and the electopop era had wrapped up. It just felt different. By 2014 all early 2010s influences were completely gone.

The early 2010s are an era that seems to have just faded away in the span of a year......


Here's how I break down 2013:

Early 2013: Still has that 2011/2012 vibe to it but there were some changes like Vine being released and Netflix original shows like House of Cards.
Summer 2013: This period had a strange and uneasy feel to it, you don't know what's going in that period. It felt like a blurry transition.
Late 2013: The culture finally LEANED towards the mid 2010s but there were still lingering early 10s trends.

Around spring/summer 2014, any signs of the early 10s completely disappeared and the mid 2010s truly started.

Here's how I break down 2013:

Early 2013: Still has that 2011/2012 vibe to it but there were some changes like Vine being released and Netflix original shows like House of Cards.
Summer 2013: This period had a particular uneasy feel to it, you don't know what's going in that period. It felt like a blurry transition.
Late 2013: The culture finally LEANED towards the mid 2010s but there were still lingering early 10s trends.

Around spring/summer 2014, any signs of the early 10s completely disappeared and the mid 2010s truly started.


Yes! I was hoping someone would say this

Here's how I break down 2013:

Early 2013: Still has that 2011/2012 vibe to it but there were some changes like Vine being released and Netflix original shows like House of Cards.
Summer 2013: This period had a strange and uneasy feel to it, you don't know what's going in that period. It felt like a blurry transition.
Late 2013: The culture finally LEANED towards the mid 2010s but there were still lingering early 10s trends.

Around spring/summer 2014, any signs of the early 10s completely disappeared and the mid 2010s truly started.


Was 2013 better than the mid 2010s to you?

Believe it or not, mumble rap did not start in 2016. Look at this video, it was uploaded on October of 2014.

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Then you also had this come out in 2015

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2012 is early 2010s.

2013 not so much. By summer 2013 I felt a noticable difference in pop culture. The 7th generation of gaming was wrapping up and the electopop era had wrapped up. It just felt different. By 2014 all early 2010s influences were completely gone.

The early 2010s are an era that seems to have just faded away in the span of a year......

2013 is early 2010s too. Just because there were some changes and the transition started doesn't mean it became mid 2010s. It is still a solid early 2010s year.

2014 is not when all early 2010s influences were gone. We still had some stuff around, though 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year.

Technically, mumble rap started in 2011 with Future. Listen to Tony Montana and hear how bad it sounds:

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Also, in late 2012, Chief Keef released 'Love Sosa,' which is why I put late 2012 in the transition from Early to Core 2010s.

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Heck, I even remember Mumble Rap being very popular in Late 2014 to 2015, Rae Sremmurd, Future, Fetty Wap, and Rich Homie Quan was on the radio EVERYWHERE, but I didnt hear the term mumble rap back then, I used to call it 'bad rap songs'

2013 is early 2010s too. Just because there were some changes and the transition started doesn't mean it became mid 2010s. It is still a solid early 2010s year.

2014 is not when all early 2010s influences were gone. We still had some stuff around, though 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year.


2013 is when the electopop era of music had ended, when apps like Vine and Snapchat got popular, when YouTube switched to the new design and Google+ (or December 2012, if you want to be technical), and when the 8th generation of consoles began.

2013 is when the electopop era of music had ended, when apps like Vine and Snapchat got popular, when YouTube switched to the new design and Google+ (or December 2012, if you want to be technical), and when the 8th generation of consoles began.

It doesn't matter. Lots of changes happen every year. It was still and early 2010s year.

Technically, mumble rap started in 2011 with Future. Listen to Tony Montana and hear how bad it sounds:

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Also, in late 2012, Chief Keef released 'Love Sosa,' which is why I put late 2012 in the transition from Early to Core 2010s.

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Heck, I even remember Mumble Rap being very popular in Late 2014 to 2015, Rae Sremmurd, Future, Fetty Wap, and Rich Homie Quan was on the radio EVERYWHERE, but I didnt hear the term mumble rap back then, I used to call it 'bad rap songs'


The 2014-2015 season was when mumble rap became popular on the charts with Fetty Wap and Rae Sremmurd.

It doesn't matter. Lots of changes happen every year. It was still and early 2010s year.

Why is it an early 2010s year?

Why is it an early 2010s year?

Because early 2010s trends were still around well into 2013. Mid 2010s only started late 2013. 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year, not 2013. 2013 was a prodominately early 2010s year.

Because early 2010s trends were still around well into 2013. Mid 2010s only started late 2013. 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year, not 2013. 2013 was a prodominately early 2010s year.


You still didn't even try to explain how early 2010s culture was still dominant in 2013.

the mid 10s began can be divided into five distinct suberas

I would say 2011 as well for various reasons. That is when smartphones became commonplace, osama bin laden was killed, the iraq war ended, occupy wall street happened and windows 7 overtook windows XP. There are many other reasons but those are amongst the most significant.

2013 was as transitional as transitional years get. In the same year you had some early 2010's like electropop still dominating (I Knew You Were Trouble, I Need Your Love, Applause, etc.) AND a couple radical changes in music. The backlash to dance pop (Royals) which ended up paving the path to most mid-2010's pop - not as electronic and slower paced, more generic. And the first signs of rap/hip hop making a comeback (Thrift Shop, Blurred Lines, and some of the earliest trap songs). The PS4 & XBOne both came out at the end of the year, launching the 8th gen of gaming. This was the year that memes really went mainstream (Harlem Shake, Vine, The Fox, etc.). Many websites updated to sleeker layouts during the year. Those are just some of the changes! And just the overall vibe in my memory. Early 2013 was still very 2012, by the end of the year, the core 2010's vibe almost completely washed away any of the remaining early 2010's vibes.

2016 was more of its own thing. Different from 2015, but after Trump was officially in office, everything calmed down and 2017 ended up being different from 2016 as well.

2013 was as transitional as transitional years get. In the same year you had some early 2010's like electropop still dominating (I Knew You Were Trouble, I Need Your Love, Applause, etc.) AND a couple radical changes in music. The backlash to dance pop (Royals) which ended up paving the path to most mid-2010's pop - not as electronic and slower paced, more generic. And the first signs of rap/hip hop making a comeback (Thrift Shop, Blurred Lines, and some of the earliest trap songs). The PS4 & XBOne both came out at the end of the year, launching the 8th gen of gaming. This was the year that memes really went mainstream (Harlem Shake, Vine, The Fox, etc.). Many websites updated to sleeker layouts during the year. Those are just some of the changes! And just the overall vibe in my memory. Early 2013 was still very 2012, by the end of the year, the core 2010's vibe almost completely washed away any of the remaining early 2010's vibes.

2016 was more of its own thing. Different from 2015, but after Trump was officially in office, everything calmed down and 2017 ended up being different from 2016 as well.


I thought 2016, at least the early half was a continuation of 2015 (at least the later half). In 2015 Trump already announced he was running for president, and there were a lot of incidents of people going crazy and social justice issues.

2013 was transitional for sure. The beginning and end were completely different. Coincidentally so it was in my personal life as well.

I thought 2016, at least the early half was a continuation of 2015 (at least the later half). In 2015 Trump already announced he was running for president, and there were a lot of incidents of people going crazy and social justice issues.

2013 was transitional for sure. The beginning and end were completely different. Coincidentally so it was in my personal life as well.

2013 was a major transitional year for sure the vibe felt different later in the year compared to early in the year. But nothing beats the transition of 2020. 2020 is the biggest transitional year since 2008. In fact, I believe it beats the 2008 shift.

2013 was a major transitional year for sure the vibe felt different later in the year compared to early in the year. But nothing beats the transition of 2020. 2020 is the biggest transitional year since 2008. In fact, I believe it beats the 2008 shift.


True. 2013 was just transitional for pop-culture. It didn't have a major catastrophic event like the pandemic in 2020, or even the market crash in 2008. The only thing close in recent history is 2001. 2022 might be even more transitional (and not in a good way) than 2020.