Really.  What a hellish nightmare era to live through.  We are very fast creeping towards becoming 'A Handmaid's Tale' in this country.  The economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and Trump is doing everything he can to push it over the edge.  And most people are fine with it because they are getting their revenge on the people they hate, most notably the LGBT community and non-Christians.  They are getting abortion banned and Bible classes back in schools. In a way, this is "payback" for legal gay marriage.  In a way, I worry that gay marriage happened a few years too soon in this country.  The backlash has been nothing short of horrifying.  It feels like love won the battle but hate has won the war.

If you aren't white, heterosexual, conservative, and fundamentalist Christian you are nothing these days.  The theme of this era is that the world would be a better place with gays back in the closet, women back in the kitchen, brown people on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and a Bible in every classroom.  If you don't believe that you are a worthless piece of sheesh snowflake who isn't a real American and is a traitor to our country.  All while THEY are actively destroying democracy and our entire way of life to achieve that vision.  Nothing matters other than total fundamentalist Christian rule over the United States.  Nothing matters other than enforced patriarchy.  Everyone must know and stay in their place.  If you believe in climate change you are a "brainwashed fool."  Everyone should know that the warming global temperatures are because Jesus is coming back!

What a fudgeing dispicable nightmare era we are living through.  I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE  the late '10s!  Worst years of my life.

Bruh no offense but I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so pessimistic  ;D

Bruh no offense but I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone so pessimistic  ;D


Unfortunately, I don't think my post was pessimistic enough.

Absolutely terrible times we are living through in America and the future has never looked so bleak.

I worry that when the economy crashes, which is coming very soon, we will balkanize and many parts of the country will become like a fundamentalist Christian version of the Middle East.  That's what we are progressing rapidly towards.  Even if it doesn't get that bad, we will probably be dealing with several years of 20-25% unemployment through the first half of the 2020s.  This is going to be the crash that will bring back the soup lines.

I don't think the late 10's are that bad. As we've already discussed on multiple threads, we live in extremely divided times right now. As much pain you might feel bcrhis (and I get where you're coming from), you can't put all the 100% blame on white/christian/conservatives, and I wouldn't put, whites, Christians, and conservatives all in the same boat. I also wouldn't put the LGBT community in the same boat as non-Christians either. There are LGBT Christians. There's gay and lesbians who lean towards the right instead of the left. There are right wingers who are atheists. There are African Americans or Hispanics who are not entitled to their own race and have their own free thinking. Musicguy93 had a really good post on another thread.


I feel like the rise of this notion of racial-identity/identity politics has a lot to do with it. I can't say whether or not racism has increased or decreased. All I know is that there seems to be a lot more division among races. People are more likely to identify with their respective racial groups and less likely to identify as an individual. In fact, if you do see yourself as an individual or have an opinion outside of your collective racial group, people will label you an "Uncle Tom" or claim that you are "ashamed" or "trying to be white", etc. As a kid, I didn't even think of race, I got along with anyone who I had common interests with. I still do today. But I feel people get a little too caught up on "racial identity", when they should really just see themselves as their own individual person.


The mainstream media and Hollywood have been so dangerous and they want everyone in society to think a certain way. It's only made this politically correct world more dangerous. Far leftists or strong progressive liberals are contributing to the problem just as much too but in different ways you may not see it from another person's perspective. I'm more afraid that some of these extreme conservatives going too far with the laws are going to led to extreme liberals' revenge factor in the future, and the effect it's going to have on people in America.

I'm just waiting for the next Democrat president to come in office and it'll be interesting to see how the left's payback is going to take a toll, just like the right have done since they allowed Trump to get in office. One thing I have to say, complain all you want about all these abortion laws or any other law that favors the right, but it all goes back to all the young people in America not voting in the 2016 election. Hillary may have won the pop vote, but unfortunately it still goes by electoral and there should have been a lot more effort. You get what you deserve for not wanting to vote at all.

Any year or decade is good when you are blessed with being alive.

I'm just waiting for the next Democrat president to come in office and it'll be interesting to see how the left's payback is going to take a toll, just like the right have done since they allowed Trump to get in office. One thing I have to say, complain all you want about all these abortion laws or any other law that favors the right, but it all goes back to all the young people in America not voting in the 2016 election. Hillary may have won the pop vote, but unfortunately it still goes by electoral and there should have been a lot more effort. You get what you deserve for not wanting to vote at all.


This is definitely a concern.  And unfortunately, I believe the right will be a lot less tolerant of a more authoritarian left-wing government than the left is of the near-theocracy we have now.  We are going to end up having a civil war if we aren't careful.

And social issues aside, I really worry that the window of economic opportunity for younger generations is closing.  The economy was headed in the right direction at the end of the Obama administration and Trump has completely ruined it.  Now we are just waiting for the fallout and we are likely going to have to deal with another 5 years of economic hell.  I'll be pushing 40 before I get any kind of life established at the rate things are going now.  Having graduated college in 2007 really, really sucks.

But you are right.  Millennials have in essence become the new "silent generation" and it's all because of not voting in the 2016 election.  All that matters right now is the Christian Right and what "family values" baby boomers want.

I like the late 2010s, but then again I don't live in the Deep South :P

It feels a lot calmer than the mid-2010s when there was a terrorist attack every month, and the refugee crisis to deal with. I've learnt to laugh at Trump/Brexit rather than fretting them, but not everyone has that luxury.

I've hated this entire decade, but yeah, especially 2015 to now

I like the late 2010s, but then again I don't live in the Deep South :P

It feels a lot calmer than the mid-2010s when there was a terrorist attack every month, and the refugee crisis to deal with. I've learnt to laugh at Trump/Brexit rather than fretting them, but not everyone has that luxury.


Canada is like a different world these days.  You guys actually have the luxury living in the 21st century.  You legalized gay marriage back in 2005 and just legalized marijuana and the world hasn't ended.  The US is probably still DECADES away from legalized marijuana due to the influence of Christian fundamentalists who believe its a gateway drug, the devil's lettuce, and a destroyer of the moral fabric of society.  Amazing what can be accomplished in a country that doesn't have the Bible Belt kicking and screaming against any and all progress.

Down here everyone thinks 'Leave it to Beaver' is a documentary and that the 1950s were the greatest time to live and that we need laws to force culture and society back.

I've hated this entire decade, but yeah, especially 2015 to now


I liked 2010 and 2011.  2012-now has been terrible, with 2014, 2015, and 2019 being the worst years.

I liked 2010 and 2011.  2012-now has been terrible, with 2014, 2015, and 2019 being the worst years.


I still believe 2016 was the worst year of this decade in nearly every aspect. 2016 was the most forgettable and agonizing year for pop culture and politics. I'm so sorry for that painful memory folks. The ONLY positive out of 2016 was my Falcons final year in their Georgia Dome and making a rare Super Bowl run.

I hate this era, too. Everything feels so dark and dystopian.

The governor of Missouri signed an extreme anti-abortion bill into law today that bans abortion after eight weeks with no exceptions for rape or incest. The anti-abortion movement is really a cruel, inhumane movement and it's obvious they don't give a damn about women or the people who have to carry these precious fetuses; they only view them as vessels to be controlled by the state.

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Really.  What a hellish nightmare era to live through.  We are very fast creeping towards becoming 'A Handmaid's Tale' in this country.  The economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and Trump is doing everything he can to push it over the edge.  And most people are fine with it because they are getting their revenge on the people they hate, most notably the LGBT community and non-Christians.  They are getting abortion banned and Bible classes back in schools. In a way, this is "payback" for legal gay marriage.  In a way, I worry that gay marriage happened a few years too soon in this country.  The backlash has been nothing short of horrifying.  It feels like love won the battle but hate has won the war.

If you aren't white, heterosexual, conservative, and fundamentalist Christian you are nothing these days.  The theme of this era is that the world would be a better place with gays back in the closet, women back in the kitchen, brown people on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and a Bible in every classroom.  If you don't believe that you are a worthless piece of sheesh snowflake who isn't a real American and is a traitor to our country.  All while THEY are actively destroying democracy and our entire way of life to achieve that vision.  Nothing matters other than total fundamentalist Christian rule over the United States.  Nothing matters other than enforced patriarchy.  Everyone must know and stay in their place.  If you believe in climate change you are a "brainwashed fool."  Everyone should know that the warming global temperatures are because Jesus is coming back!

What a fudgeing dispicable nightmare era we are living through.  I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE  the late '10s!  Worst years of my life.


Woah, chill out  :o Not everything's gonna last forever, don't worry. The thing I hate most about the late 2010s are the music, and the corny memes. Otherwise, you gotta be thankful that it's not the 1930s or 1940s.

I mean- The late core 2010s were OK, the true late 2010s is what makes it cynical... But still, I'd rather live here right now than the Depressing 1930s or dangerous 1940s.

Woah, chill out  :o Not everything's gonna last forever, don't worry. The thing I hate most about the late 2010s are the music, and the corny memes. Otherwise, you gotta be thankful that it's not the 1930s or 1940s.


I would say things are pretty close to that.  Things are going to get ugly after the 2020 election no matter which way it goes.  If Trump wins, we'll be the Republic of Gilead by 2024.  If he loses, the country splits apart.

A few years ago watching this would have given me chills but these days it almost seems like reality.

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Hey its a great time to be alive.

I work with a guy who pretty much looks like Grizzly Adams, (has wife and several kids, unlike the real-life Grizzly Adams) who has now decided that he wants to be a woman. Ten years ago he could never have pulled that off. Who knows... now that it is the 2010s, he might decide to become a black woman instead of just a white woman.

And I have another coworker who switched from a man to a woman, then a few months later switched back. Fortunately for him/her, he did not get the “full monty” conversion job when he became a woman.

I like the late 2010s more than the mid 2010s. There was wayyy too much going on then.

There are no reports of Bibles in classrooms. Honestly, I don't see a return of a White, Christian, Conservative revival anytime soon. There are die-hard conservatives today, but most of them are just living their life right now like the rest of the people in the country.

I would say things are pretty close to that.  Things are going to get ugly after the 2020 election no matter which way it goes.  If Trump wins, we'll be the Republic of Gilead by 2024.  If he loses, the country splits apart.

I agree. I think the country is going to be a sheeshhole regardless of who wins. It's already regressing rapidly. I don't know if I'm just exaggerating but I'm not sure which presidential years were worse,  Trumps or Bushs'. Maybe because I have no clue what's going to happen next. What do you think?

I understand your concerns. The US is turning out to be the Christian equivalent of various Muslim-majority states that seek to punish atheists, liberals and the LGBT community. It's disgraceful that a country that has the freedom of speech enshrined in its constitution will now only have it applied to straight white Christian men. It's kind of an achievement for America to enforce freedom of speech for all in a world where religious conservative and/or authoritarian voices by straight cisgender men are prioritized at best and the only ones legal at worst.


I am staying cautiously optimistic right now here on this side of the Atlantic as Article 13 (which enforces the horrible notion that culture must only exist to make money) is being challenged. It is being challenged - by a country that itself wants to become a theocracy with its majority party - Poland. Their Law and Justice Party describes LGBT as an "import".


But overall, here in the UK at least, the big parties that are pushing Brexit are being challenged by smaller parties. Some of them are pro-Brexit parties though. However, the rise of anti-Brexit parties does seem promising to me (since anti-Brexit is generally loathed by xenophobes) even though I don't care too much about Brexit these days. It does show that people here in the UK oppose xenophobia (as Brexit seems to be supported by xenophobes, but not entirely by them) - granted, I'm not sure if this will help the LGBT community. At least on Twitter, I've heard complaints of transgender people being censored and British transphobes being given a platform.


I wonder if it is possible for you to get in contact with an LGBT community, either locally or online. I don't think I live among accepting people too, and IDK if I'm prepared to explain myself even if they are accepting. It might help you stay strong and hopeful when you can see the solidarity people have in the queer community, which I do admit, I can hardly believe myself.

Who knows... now that it is the 2010s, he might decide to become a black woman instead of just a white woman.


That will not happen. Although there is far more acceptance now of being transgender, being "transracial" (if that is even a term) is still verboten and considered politically incorrect. Consider the case of Caucasian woman Rachel Dolezal. She passed herself off as African American for years, (I supposed the politically  correct term would be she "identified" as an African American woman), even to the point of being president of the Spokane chaper of the NAACP. But when it was discovered she was not African American she was roundly criticized and shunned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

"Cultural appropriation" is the big no-no these days among the SJW brigade, and I think changing one's race falls into that category.

I agree. I think the country is going to be a sheeshhole regardless of who wins. It's already regressing rapidly. I don't know if I'm just exaggerating but I'm not sure which presidential years were worse,  Trumps or Bushs'. Maybe because I have no clue what's going to happen next. What do you think?


Didn't like Bush, but I'd take Bush in a heartbeat over Trump. I think I've repeated this like 10+ times  ;D

There are no reports of Bibles in classrooms. Honestly, I don't see a return of a White, Christian, Conservative revival anytime soon. There are die-hard conservatives today, but most of them are just living their life right now like the rest of the people in the country.


I agree, for the most part. A quantum change has taken place in the US, and, for better or worse (depending on any one person's viewpoint), the white, Christian monoculure will not return. Oh, they make a lot of noise, but so does everybody else. And, by the  way, "white" and "Christian" should not ALWAYS be equated with "conservative", but that's a discussion for another time.   

I wonder if it is possible for you to get in contact with an LGBT community, either locally or online. I don't think I live among accepting people too, and IDK if I'm prepared to explain myself even if they are accepting. It might help you stay strong and hopeful when you can see the solidarity people have in the queer community, which I do admit, I can hardly believe myself.


I will be going to Tulsa Pride next week and am very much looking forward to that!

..the white, Christian monoculure will not return.


Unless they impose it by law, which is what they are trying to do.  That's why these are such dangerous times.  Those who want to recreate the patriarchal social order of the 1950s have complete control over our country right now.

I will be going to Tulsa Pride next week and am very much looking forward to that!


I'm going to my first Pride this year (in Toronto). I'm kind of anxious that I'll leave in the first 30 minutes ;D

I did get caught up in it once in 2013 by accident. I was walking from one part of the city to the other and I ran into the parade. The atmosphere was incredible, it's a shame I had somewhere else to be.

I will be going to Tulsa Pride next week and am very much looking forward to that!


I'm going to my first Pride this year (in Toronto). I'm kind of anxious that I'll leave in the first 30 minutes ;D

I did get caught up in it once in 2013 by accident. I was walking from one part of the city to the other and I ran into the parade. The atmosphere was incredible, it's a shame I had somewhere else to be.



I too am going to my first and my town's first pride event, although I prefer to keep it secret. I don't want to make it too obvious that I'm going just for that though I guess, and I may plan to go somewhere else.

That will not happen. Although there is far more acceptance now of being transgender, being "transracial" (if that is even a term) is still verboten and considered politically incorrect. Consider the case of Caucasian woman Rachel Dolezal. She passed herself off as African American for years, (I supposed the politically  correct term would be she "identified" as an African American woman), even to the point of being president of the Spokane chaper of the NAACP. But when it was discovered she was not African American she was roundly criticized and shunned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

"Cultural appropriation" is the big no-no these days among the SJW brigade, and I think changing one's race falls into that category.


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Transgender identity can be traced to an enormously wide variety of cultures throughout all of human history.

Transracial identity can be traced to Rachel Dolezal.

You see the difference?

That will not happen. Although there is far more acceptance now of being transgender, being "transracial" (if that is even a term) is still verboten and considered politically incorrect. Consider the case of Caucasian woman Rachel Dolezal. She passed herself off as African American for years, (I supposed the politically  correct term would be she "identified" as an African American woman), even to the point of being president of the Spokane chaper of the NAACP. But when it was discovered she was not African American she was roundly criticized and shunned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

"Cultural appropriation" is the big no-no these days among the SJW brigade, and I think changing one's race falls into that category.

I hope I’m dead before “transracial” becomes popular cause IMO that ain’t right.

I hope I’m dead before “transracial” becomes popular cause IMO that ain’t right.


I am a Japanese schoolgirl stuck in a grown ass man's body. uguu~ \(* ^ ω ^)

You don't need to create a thread for something you keep endlessly repeating in other threads.

You don't need to create a thread for something you keep endlessly repeating in other threads.


He's right, ya know.  :(

I hope I’m dead before “transracial” becomes popular cause IMO that ain’t right.


If a man can turn himself into a woman, how’s that any more virtuous than a Navajo Indian who wants to become Scandinavian?

I hope I’m dead before “transracial” becomes popular cause IMO that ain’t right.


Yeah, I find that offensive and insulting. People are going to start coming up with the weirdest phrases and many other double standards that aren't right. Some problems just aren't the same at all.

Yeah, I find that offensive and insulting. People are going to start coming up with the weirdest phrases and many other double standards that aren't right. Some problems just aren't the same at all.


What about a white kid who is adopted by a black inner city family and identifies as African American?

How is that any different than a man who identifies as a woman?

A white guy can get medical treatments that make skin brown, and can get plastic surgery to take on other nubian features. How is that any less virtuous than a man who takes hormones and undergoes surgeries to become a trans-woman? ???

I hate the late 2010s

I'm surprised the late 2010s aren't as universally hated as the early 2010s were before. There's really nothing to like unless you like trap music. But even then, it's only trap music, no diversity. Just like the early 2010s was only electro pop and no diversity. I hate eras where it's just one thing ruling over. I would probably hate the late '70s disco era too lol.

In general the 2010s decade were horrible. For my personal life they were great (except the early 2010s). But for pop culture on the whole, very bad.

I hate the late 2010s

I'm surprised the late 2010s aren't as universally hated as the early 2010s were before. There's really nothing to like unless you like trap music.


I agree, the only thing good musically that's going on is the reinvention of Paramore.

What about a white kid who is adopted by a black inner city family and identifies as African American?

How is that any different than a man who identifies as a woman?

A white guy can get medical treatments that make skin brown, and can get plastic surgery to take on other nubian features. How is that any less virtuous than a man who takes hormones and undergoes surgeries to become a trans-woman? ???


Why are you equivocating race and sex? Men and women are two very differnt and real things, biologically speaking. Can you tell me which genes or biological processes in your body codes for being European and not, say, Turkish? ???

i hate the internets toxic pessimism

nuke the web into ashes and let's start over

I knew this thread would come from bchris02. Tbh I don't have a strong hate for the late 10s because I know that I have better things to do than to complain about politics and pop-culture which is why I haven't been posting on here as much. With all that said I've had endured hardships in the late 10s (particularly 2018) with my mom going through chemo while me finishing college. It was tough but I thank God we made it through. 2017 was my favorite year this decade and even that year I had some personal issues. The reason why I don't complain about how the world sucks because I know complaining won't solve anything. My life is far from perfect but one of the reason why I've been more optimistic because I have more opportunities now as adult then I did in my teen years in the early 10s. With technology and age I been able to meet some likeminded people online and IRL who share the same passions, same values and support me in fulfilling my dream to being a creative entrepreneur. I understand that some of y'all have personal issues which make the late 10s harder to enjoy but to constantly complain and create polarizing threads does more harm than good.

I knew this thread would come from bchris02. Tbh I don't have a strong hate for the late 10s because I know that I have better things to do than to complain about politics and pop-culture which is why I haven't been posting on here as much. With all that said I've had endured hardships in the late 10s (particularly 2018) with my mom going through chemo while me finishing college. It was tough but I thank God we made it through. 2017 was my favorite year this decade and even that year I had some personal issues. The reason why I don't complain about how the world sucks because I know complaining won't solve anything. My life is far from perfect but one of the reason why I've been more optimistic because I have more opportunities now as adult then I did in my teen years in the early 10s. With technology and age I been able to meet some likeminded people online and IRL who share the same passions, same values and support me in fulfilling my dream to being a creative entrepreneur. I understand that some of y'all have personal issues which make the late 10s harder to enjoy but to constantly complain and create polarizing threads does more harm than good.

If people don't say anything we will just have the same boring pop culture forever. We should stand against it!

I hate the late 2010s

I'm surprised the late 2010s aren't as universally hated as the early 2010s were before. There's really nothing to like unless you like trap music. But even then, it's only trap music, no diversity. Just like the early 2010s was only electro pop and no diversity. I hate eras where it's just one thing ruling over. I would probably hate the late '70s disco era too lol.

In general the 2010s decade were horrible. For my personal life they were great (except the early 2010s). But for pop culture on the whole, very bad.

There's diversity in music but I've found that the mainstream and even a few non-mainstream sources all try to sound grown-up, unique and artistic, to me, at the cost of a pleasant melody. This has caused artists like Sam Smith and Adele to sound offensively awful to me, even though they do not have a reputation for using bad language.


I agree, the only thing good musically that's going on is the reinvention of Paramore.

I don't like especially how the band members have opted for a more gender-conforming appearance. I fear how they will sound like, too, because they've gone for a "hipster" vibe. I fear they'll sound as forgettable and as awful as many 2010s artists around.

Why are you equivocating race and sex? Men and women are two very differnt and real things, biologically speaking. Can you tell me which genes or biological processes in your body codes for being European and not, say, Turkish? ???


There are plenty of biological differences amongst the races. Irish people are more prone to skin cancer. Africans more prone to sickle cell anaemia. Ashkenazi Jews have a huge incidence of Haemophilia C. Japanese tend to live long lives.

There are plenty of biological differences amongst the races. Irish people are more prone to skin cancer. Africans more prone to sickle cell anaemia. Ashkenazi Jews have a huge incidence of Haemophilia C. Japanese tend to live long lives.


That didn't answer the question. What makes someone biologically Irish? Having skin cancer?

Where in your genes or biological processes can you find "Irish"?

Transracial better not be a thing. EVER.

That didn't answer the question. What makes someone biologically Irish? Having skin cancer?

Where in your genes or biological processes can you find "Irish"?


One could ask the same question about what makes a man or a woman. What are you if you are a XXX genetically. Or an XYY?

If a XX female can go transexual to become a male despite not converting to XY, I see no reason why a person who is genetically black cannot decide to go transracial and become a white dude. 

One could ask the same question about what makes a man or a woman. What are you if you are a XXX genetically. Or an XYY?

If a XX female can go transexual to become a male despite not converting to XY, I see no reason why a person who is genetically black cannot decide to go transracial and become a white dude.


But that's the point. There is an XX and XY chromosome to signify the existence of man and woman, among hundreds of other significant biological differences. There is nothing to codify the existence of Irish or black, those are man-made classifications.

You keep equivocating sex and race in an attempt to grasp at straws to disprove transgenderism, but you don't have an understanding of what 'race' scientifically is.

Why are you equivocating race and sex? Men and women are two very differnt and real things, biologically speaking. Can you tell me which genes or biological processes in your body codes for being European and not, say, Turkish? ???


I really, really hate to say this but...

I kind of agree with lyricboy's sentiment in that post but only to an extent. His argumentation, points, and beliefs are all screwed up but I do understand the heart of the question. What Lyricboy is getting at...even if he doesn't know it, understand it, or would admit it...is that gender and race are social constructs.

I really, really hate to say this but...

I kind of agree with lyricboy's sentiment in that post but only to an extent. His argumentation, points, and beliefs are all screwed up but I do understand the heart of the question. What Lyricboy is getting at...even if he doesn't know it, understand it, or would admit it...is that gender and race are social constructs.


I was trying to get him to realize that race is made up, but to no avail ;D

I don't necessarily agree that sex is a social construct– if we are talking about biology. Gender/gender roles though, yes, I agree they're social constructs.

I was trying to get him to realize that race is made up, but to no avail ;D

I don't necessarily agree that sex is a social construct– if we are talking about biology. Gender/gender roles though, yes, I agree they're social constructs.


Of course...and most trans people understand that...which is why they call themselves trans. They are fully aware that they are not the opposite sex on a biological level. You probably get that...but people like Lyricboy don't.

Lyricboy...watch this video:

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I hate the late 2010s

I'm surprised the late 2010s aren't as universally hated as the early 2010s were before. There's really nothing to like unless you like trap music. But even then, it's only trap music, no diversity. Just like the early 2010s was only electro pop and no diversity. I hate eras where it's just one thing ruling over. I would probably hate the late '70s disco era too lol.

In general the 2010s decade were horrible. For my personal life they were great (except the early 2010s). But for pop culture on the whole, very bad.


I agree completely. I find it odd that for a decade in which the internet has so much prevalence, there is very little to no variety when it comes to mainstream music and fashion. You would think that there would be more variety than ever, but noooooo. There are so many people blasting out cringeworthy mumble rap/trap music. Though I do take solace in the fact that I can choose to listen to my own music, and find new music that suits my personal taste, thanks to the internet. As for fashion, that's actually something that effects me personally. I have a hard time shopping for new clothes because the fashion of this decade has been so unappealing to me. Everything has this slim, thin fabric look. And the fonts/designs are just nauseating. I've said it before, but I wouldn't be so pissy about today's fashion if we could just get more variety, so that there's something for everybody. In today's day and age, there is no excuse to have such uniformed fashion.

And wowwwww, did this topic derail (then again this is inthe00s.com). Enough with the transgender/transracial talk. Let's stick to the topic late 2010s culture.

I agree completely. I find it odd that for a decade in which the internet has so much prevalence, there is very little to no variety when it comes to mainstream music and fashion. You would think that there would be more variety than ever, but noooooo. There are so many people blasting out cringeworthy mumble rap/trap music. Though I do take solace in the fact that I can choose to listen to my own music, and find new music that suits my personal taste, thanks to the internet. As for fashion, that's actually something that effects me personally. I have a hard time shopping for new clothes because the fashion of this decade has been so unappealing to me. Everything has this slim, thin fabric look. And the fonts/designs are just nauseating. I've said it before, but I wouldn't be so pissy about today's fashion if we could just get more variety, so that there's something for everybody. In today's day and age, there is no excuse to have such uniformed fashion.


You poor soul.  :\'(

And wowwwww, did this topic derail (then again this is inthe00s.com). Enough with the transgender/transracial talk. Let's stick to the topic late 2010s culture.


Derailed threads are what make the megathreads on inthe00s ;D

I actually really like late 2010s fashion (late 2018/2019), I don't think it's very similar to early-mid 2010s fashion at all. You said you live in California, right? I think the reason why the clothes might be thin there might be because of the hot weather. Over here, thick, giant sweaters, sweatshirts and jean jackets are very in. Oversized parkas/coats was a trend this winter.

You poor soul.  :\'(


Back off.

Derailed threads are what make the megathreads on inthe00s ;D

I actually really like late 2010s fashion (late 2018/2019), I don't think it's very similar to early-mid 2010s fashion at all. You said you live in California, right? I think the reason why the clothes might be thin there might be because of the hot weather. Over here, thick, giant sweaters, sweatshirts and jean jackets are very in. Oversized parkas/coats was a trend this winter.


That may be the case. I'm not familiar with Canadian fashion, so I don't really have a way to compare the two areas.

You all know what I love the most about the late 2010s?

It hints that whatever the 2010s haters want, they are not gonna get in the 2020s...and probably not ever. Not unless they get over themselves.

I disagree with Chris, I have a lot of hope in the 2020s. I could be wrong and I accept that. Living is a struggle. Fighting is living. Eventually, you'll be defeated.

I loathe the political landscape and the rise of populism, and I think the world feels a lot more on edge than it did at the start of the decade - almost like we are always on the precipice of conflict.

It’s not all bad though by any means, and ultimately nearly all of us on here live comfortable privilege lifestyles that the vast majority of the world are not lucky enough to experience, so a bit of perspective is needed. I think this is all a bit ‘first world problem’-y.

Why on earth does it matter? Why do people act as if gay rights are such a big issue? And while you're at it, you seem to be spouting the same liberal nonsense that allowed Trump and his cronies to be elected in the first place. The far-right existed as a backlash to the left. They're reintroducing bible classes? Well, maybe in the Southern states, but they'd never do something like that on the west coast or the northeast, at least try and be more specific. My opinion is that people are making way to big of an issue out of gay marriage, because unless if you are gay, then you shouldn't really care about it because it doesn't affect you, so your opinion shouldn't matter like how men cannot have a valid opinion on abortion or women on circumcision. If gay people want to get married, then why should anyone care. If they want to feel the misery of being married, then who's to stop them, marriage lost all of its meaning when divorce became easy with the advent of no-fault divorce. And for the record, Canada, and by that, I mean Toronto, is hell if you aren't a far-left liberal extremist or SJW, and especially if you are a straight, white, cis, male. For the record, I also hate the late 2010s, more so than the mid-2010s, but love the early 2010s, because at least back then politics didn't try and ruin everything. You can't go a day without people getting their politics into something.

And for the record, Canada, and by that, I mean Toronto, is hell if you aren't a far-left liberal extremist or SJW, and especially if you are a straight, white, cis, male.

No it really isn't... In Canada our politics are very moderate on all sides where the conservatives and liberals are not as different as Republicans and Democrats in the US.

No it really isn't... In Canada our politics are very moderate on all sides where the conservatives and liberals are not as different as Republicans and Democrats in the US.


Yeah, and there are a lot of right-wing people in Toronto. It's the home of the Ford movement and Toronto voted Conservative in 2011 and in the 2018 provincial election, not to mention has had only conservative mayors since 2010. There are tons of immigrants who freely hold right-wing beliefs.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a communist SJW. Inversely, someone disagree with a left-wing opinion doesn't make them a crypto-fascist. I don't like this Americanization of our politics.


Why on earth does it matter? Why do people act as if gay rights are such a big issue? And while you're at it, you seem to be spouting the same liberal nonsense that allowed Trump and his cronies to be elected in the first place. The far-right existed as a backlash to the left. They're reintroducing bible classes? Well, maybe in the Southern states, but they'd never do something like that on the west coast or the northeast, at least try and be more specific. My opinion is that people are making way to big of an issue out of gay marriage, because unless if you are gay, then you shouldn't really care about it because it doesn't affect you, so your opinion shouldn't matter like how men cannot have a valid opinion on abortion or women on circumcision. If gay people want to get married, then why should anyone care. If they want to feel the misery of being married, then who's to stop them, marriage lost all of its meaning when divorce became easy with the advent of no-fault divorce.


Chris is gay and lives in the Deep South where homosexuality is still very much frowned upon. So actually, gay rights are a big issue to him.

No it really isn't... In Canada our politics are very moderate on all sides where the conservatives and liberals are not as different as Republicans and Democrats in the US.


I mean, that isn’t inherently a good thing - a lot of people complained in the UK that the Tories and Labour were basically the same so we merely had the illusion of choice. It’s good to have parties with clear differences instead of just variations to essentially the same thing.

I think the US is significantly more partisan than any other developed country though, and the Republicans would be considered a far-right party here. Our Conservatives are more like the Democrats.

I mean, that isn’t inherently a good thing - a lot of people complained in the UK that the Tories and Labour were basically the same so we merely had the illusion of choice. It’s good to have parties with clear differences instead of just variations to essentially the same thing.

I think the US is significantly more partisan than any other developed country though, and the Republicans would be considered a far-right party here.


Considering that I do agree with the main parties most of the time, I like this system more. :P

But it appears you are going to get your wish of 'clear differences' once Johnson is the PM and Corbyn the leader of the opposition  :-X

Honestly, I feel the Late 2010s has been the best part of this decade. Both for my personal life and pop culture. There I Said It.

Why on earth does it matter? Why do people act as if gay rights are such a big issue? And while you're at it, you seem to be spouting the same liberal nonsense that allowed Trump and his cronies to be elected in the first place. The far-right existed as a backlash to the left. They're reintroducing bible classes? Well, maybe in the Southern states, but they'd never do something like that on the west coast or the northeast, at least try and be more specific. My opinion is that people are making way to big of an issue out of gay marriage, because unless if you are gay, then you shouldn't really care about it because it doesn't affect you, so your opinion shouldn't matter like how men cannot have a valid opinion on abortion or women on circumcision. If gay people want to get married, then why should anyone care. If they want to feel the misery of being married, then who's to stop them, marriage lost all of its meaning when divorce became easy with the advent of no-fault divorce.


The same-sex marriage decision in 2015 is a HUGE factor in the rise of Trump and right-wing populism in the US.  You can't explain the Trump phenomenon without looking at the public reaction to (and backlash) against Obergefell vs Hodges and the Kim Davis debacle.

The bigger issue though I believe is the fact the right-wing vision for America is one with cultural homogeneity and strict adherence to gender roles, with Christianity being the glue that holds society together.  Gay marriage strikes at the heart of that but so does abortion, immigration, transgender issues, and the legalization of recreational drugs.  That's why those are such big issues and those are the issues that really divide the right from the left.


Chris is gay and lives in the Deep South where homosexuality is still very much frowned upon. So actually, gay rights are a big issue to him.


A lot of people down here, especially the "country boy" types, seem obsessed with that issue as if their own masculinity is threatened.  My best friend is a straight cowboy who used to be extremely homophobic but he accepts me because I am straight-acting.  I still don't always feel totally comfortable around him and feel that I need to prove my masculinity but it is what it is.  He's come around on gay rights though (to a point) and I've helped him with that.  He's still going to vote for Trump but he respects me and my views and the fact I won't.  That's very unlike a few other friends I had, close friends at that, who stopped being friends with me after the 2016 election because I wasn't a Trump supporter.

It's definitely not as bad as it used to be as far as personal nastiness between Christians and LGBT people, but opposition to "the gay agenda" still plays far too large a role in politics down here, unfortunately.


Honestly, I feel the Late 2010s has been the best part of this decade. Both for my personal life and pop culture. There I Said It.


I'll admit I actually like the music pretty well.  I'm probably a minority on this board in that respect.  Not really big on the muffled bass fad that seems to be taking over hip-hop lately though.

And in other news, right-wing evangelicals are starting to talk about civil war over abortion.  This is EXACTLY the kind of stuff I'm talking about.  They are so pro-life they will actually KILL to impose their will.  Ironic, until you realize it's not about abortion but about preserving white Christian power in this country and making patriarchy the law of the land.  People living in the big liberal cities don't realize how volatile things are in the US right now.  We are one economic catastrophe away from becoming Gilead and unfortunately, the economy right now is looking a lot like 2007.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/26/abortion-ban-rightwing-christian-figures-civil-war-predictions

Another article on teaching the Bible in public schools.

https://www.salon.com/2019/05/26/department-of-education-agenda-reading-writing-and-religion_partner/

Not all evangelicals are right wing and not all right wingers are evangelicals.

I'll admit I actually like the music pretty well.  I'm probably a minority on this board in that respect.  Not really big on the muffled bass fad that seems to be taking over hip-hop lately though.


Admittedly, the music is my least favorite attribute of this era. Everything is so 'trap' inspired, from Rap (Emo rap, Rock Rap, Country Rap, etc.), pop, even elements of EDM. I personally prefer the music of the mid 2010s and (especially) the early 2010s, as there was much more diversity of sound back then. As of now, 2012-2014 remains my favorite era for music in this decade, because of everything was so balanced back then, even if things were pretty 'cheesy'.

However, minus music (mentioned prior) and politics (The Trump Administration....) the Late 2010s have been pretty good pop culturally, I dare say it, even a little better than the early 2010s. From movies; Phase 3 of the MCU, The John Wick trilogy, the Disney's Star Wars Films, Jordan Peele's 'horror' films with excellent social commentary, IT, certain 80s/90s remakes, etc. Television; the final seasons of Game of Thrones, House of Cards, Big Bang Theory, among others, not to mention new breakout hits like Riverdale, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, Black-ish (and its soft sequel, Grown-ish), For the People, Stranger Things, Black Mirror, etc. etc. Late 2010s fashion trends ranging from 'fast fashion' dominating to athleisurewear being just about everywhere, fashion is a lot more polished and appealing than the more earth tones/influences of the mid 2010s, I could go on and on.

Not even to mention the booming economy (although it likely won't last long), big advances in technology (about time, since most of this decade just seemed to be pretty stagnant) with the popularization of nearly bezzel-less displays (of course the dreaded 'notch' is still prominent, most phone companies are truly pushing the boundaries), multi lens cameras which convey a more professional feel to the images, music streaming services like Apple Music and Spotify dominating which allows a huge swath of people to listen to music from any artist, any genre, any era, from the palm of their hands. Driverless cars are going to become more common in the coming years, and the last couple of years we have seen great strides in that space. Also, Elon Musk with SpaceX and Tesla, I mean thats self explanatory.

The Late 2010s have easily been the best and most exciting part of this decade. I know its hard to see because of how divisive our politics have been (although, in a sense it sort of explains how transformative the changes we are living in are affecting average people, which can amplify the plight of say 'White Christian America' whom may be more repulsive to these changes, but I digress), but look outside the 24 hour news loop of CNN and FOX News, and you'll find that things are on the up & up. 2020 is around the corner, we should try to look at the bright side of our society and strive to amplify what makes our current society strong. Thats how we can hopefully advance towards a prosperous future, but perhaps I am too optimistic ;D.

Honestly, I feel the Late 2010s has been the best part of this decade. Both for my personal life and pop culture. There I Said It.


I'd take this period now over the mid 2010's any day. Comparing to the early 2010's I think it's debatable. The pop culture of the late 2010's has been great but the political world has been awful. You listed a lot of great points ZeldaFan as usual!

I'd take this period now over the mid 2010's any day. Comparing to the early 2010's I think it's debatable. The pop culture of the late 2010's has been great but the political world has been awful. You listed a lot of great points ZeldaFan as usual!


The politics wouldn't be as awful if it wasn't likely to result in (best case) an economic recession/depression that makes 2008 look like a small preview or (worst case) the breakup of the US or replacement of democracy with fundamentalist Christian theocracy.  In addition, chances of getting bogged down in another quagmire in Iran for absolutely no reason are becoming much, much higher.  If that happens, in addition to the toll on human life and US standing in the world, we will all be paying $6/gallon for gasoline.

These are very scary times to live.  Things will probably be very different for all of us next year at this time.  Future generations will likely look back on this as the era in which the US committed suicide.

Admittedly, the music is my least favorite attribute of this era. Everything is so 'trap' inspired, from Rap (Emo rap, Rock Rap, Country Rap, etc.), pop, even elements of EDM. I personally prefer the music of the mid 2010s and (especially) the early 2010s, as there was much more diversity of sound back then. As of now, 2012-2014 remains my favorite era for music in this decade, because of everything was so balanced back then, even if things were pretty 'cheesy'.
Fortunately, I haven't heard much of trap music. Unfortunately, I still hate the sound of the 2010s overall. Even more "organic" sounding pop music to me like Adele and Sam Smith sounds pretty awful to me - it's down to the choice of melodies that artists this decade choose. They all try to sound grown-up and artistic - to me, their plans of trying to appeal to me have backfired, since their music all sounds bland to me since around 2012 or 2013, with a few exceptions.


I too hate the death of rock music. To me, it's both a symptom and a cause of (not the cause of, per se) religious fundamentalism's resurgence this decade.

Late 2010s fashion trends ranging from 'fast fashion' dominating to athleisurewear being just about everywhere, fashion is a lot more polished and appealing than the more earth tones/influences of the mid 2010s
But is still gender conforming, at least in my opinion, than what the politics of coastal areas in the US may suggest, ever since the mid-2010s IMO.

streaming services like Apple Music and Spotify dominating which allows a huge swath of people to listen to music from any artist, any genre, any era, from the palm of their hands.
But never to keep, in my experience. Maybe I like too obscure stuff, but still, it is a step in affirming the horrible notion that stuff should only exist to make money. Even if I did download the stuff with premium, it could still get taken down.

Considering that I do agree with the main parties most of the time, I like this system more. :P

But it appears you are going to get your wish of 'clear differences' once Johnson is the PM and Corbyn the leader of the opposition  :-X


I thought the two main parties were different enough with Corbyn as Labour leader since he took the party to the left significantly. We certainly don’t need that lunatic Johnson in power!

One could ask the same question about what makes a man or a woman. What are you if you are a XXX genetically. Or an XYY?

If a XX female can go transexual to become a male despite not converting to XY, I see no reason why a person who is genetically black cannot decide to go transracial and become a white dude.


Karyotype alone does NOT determine biological sex, it's way more complicated than that, biological sex is determined by sexual traits, the most obvious being hormonal and reproductive. That's why transgender people who undergo hormonal replacement become closer to the biological the sex they aim to be, especially if they undergo HRT for years on. Scientists are discovering that biological sex isn't as clear cut as thought, with over 5% of humanity having some kind of intersex traits. Many people that look 100% male or female may have a different allosome, many have different allosomes for different body parts. Women with PCOS are not completely female as their bodies naturally produce estrogen and testosterone.

I think in the far future some kind of racial-fluidity might be accepted if the world gets to that point, but from a historical and cultural standpoint it doesn't make sense to compare "transraciality" to people who are trans/ngc. It's nothing but a dog-whistle people use to undermine the validity of LGBT people.

We certainly don’t need that lunatic Johnson in power!
Well, Farage just won the European election in your country (which I count as a second pro Brexit vote by the Brits...) so I guess that Johnson is just a logical next step to complete the chaos and downfall.

Well, Farage just won the European election in your country (which I count as a second pro Brexit vote by the Brits...) so I guess that Johnson is just a logical next step to complete the chaos and downfall.

I thought the two main parties were different enough with Corbyn as Labour leader since he took the party to the left significantly. We certainly don’t need that lunatic Johnson in power!


Well no offense, but you guys were already teetering to the path of destruction ever since you voted to leave the EU in the first place. I was by no means a fan of PM Theresa May, but she still seemed to be the most level headed in trying to implement a 'soft Brexit' plan that would've allowed the UK to leave the EU peacefully and not coarsely. You guys would've had a trade deal with us (the United States), but you guys instead grandstanded and virtue signaled amongst each other thinking the other side was 'evil', without ever having a structured debate and discussion of ideas. Instead of working together to amended what would've been a detriment outcome, you instead tried to use politics in the most evil and vile manner I've ever witnessed. Those chaotic meetings of politicians acting like baboons, and yet you guys consider OUR politics/country 'crazy'. I wish you guys the best of luck, because this Johnson guy seems to make Nigel Farge look like an effin' saint. But I am not going beat around the bush, you guys are pretty screwed. I wish you the best of luck from across the pond.

Well no offense, but you guys were already teetering to the path of destruction ever since you voted to leave the EU in the first place. I was by no means a fan of PM Theresa May, but she still seemed to be the most level headed in trying to implement a 'soft Brexit' plan that would've allowed the UK to leave the EU peacefully and not coarsely. You guys would've had a trade deal with us (the United States), but you guys instead grandstanded and virtue signaled amongst each other thinking the other side was 'evil', without ever having a structured debate and discussion of ideas. Instead of working together to amended what would've been a detriment outcome, you instead tried to use politics in the most evil and vile manner I've ever witnessed. Those chaotic meetings of politicians acting like baboons, and yet you guys consider OUR politics/country 'crazy'. I wish you guys the best of luck, because this Johnson guy seems to make Nigel Farge look like an effin' saint. But I am not going beat around the bush, you guys are pretty screwed. I wish you the best of luck from across the pond.


We consider your country crazy for a variety of reasons and it long predates Trump getting elected. From guns to religion to this strange debate surrounding what shouldn’t be a controversial subject at all (abortion), it just looks decidedly bizarre to an outsider.

Brexit is a mess but all things considered I’ll take our mess over yours, especially when being a mess seems to be the default US state of existence regardless of who you put into power.

Well no offense, but you guys were already teetering to the path of destruction ever since you voted to leave the EU in the first place. I was by no means a fan of PM Theresa May, but she still seemed to be the most level headed in trying to implement a 'soft Brexit' plan that would've allowed the UK to leave the EU peacefully and not coarsely. You guys would've had a trade deal with us (the United States), but you guys instead grandstanded and virtue signaled amongst each other thinking the other side was 'evil', without ever having a structured debate and discussion of ideas. Instead of working together to amended what would've been a detriment outcome, you instead tried to use politics in the most evil and vile manner I've ever witnessed. Those chaotic meetings of politicians acting like baboons, and yet you guys consider OUR politics/country 'crazy'. I wish you guys the best of luck, because this Johnson guy seems to make Nigel Farge look like an effin' saint. But I am not going beat around the bush, you guys are pretty screwed. I wish you the best of luck from across the pond.


Elor is actually from Germany, for the record.  :-X

The same-sex marriage decision in 2015 is a HUGE factor in the rise of Trump and right-wing populism in the US.  You can't explain the Trump phenomenon without looking at the public reaction to (and backlash) against Obergefell vs Hodges and the Kim Davis debacle.

The bigger issue though I believe is the fact the right-wing vision for America is one with cultural homogeneity and strict adherence to gender roles, with Christianity being the glue that holds society together.  Gay marriage strikes at the heart of that but so does abortion, immigration, transgender issues, and the legalization of recreational drugs.  That's why those are such big issues and those are the issues that really divide the right from the left.

A lot of people down here, especially the "country boy" types, seem obsessed with that issue as if their own masculinity is threatened.  My best friend is a straight cowboy who used to be extremely homophobic but he accepts me because I am straight-acting.  I still don't always feel totally comfortable around him and feel that I need to prove my masculinity but it is what it is.  He's come around on gay rights though (to a point) and I've helped him with that.  He's still going to vote for Trump but he respects me and my views and the fact I won't.  That's very unlike a few other friends I had, close friends at that, who stopped being friends with me after the 2016 election because I wasn't a Trump supporter.

It's definitely not as bad as it used to be as far as personal nastiness between Christians and LGBT people, but opposition to "the gay agenda" still plays far too large a role in politics down here, unfortunately.

I'll admit I actually like the music pretty well.  I'm probably a minority on this board in that respect.  Not really big on the muffled bass fad that seems to be taking over hip-hop lately though.


I see, sorry about earlier. I didn't know you were gay, so this is a big issue for you. Now I don't live in the deep south, but from what I have heard, it sounds bad, so what you are saying does make sense. But for the person that replied earlier that Canadians are moderate, may I ask your age and where you live? Obviously, you haven't heard of all the left wing protests that have happened in Toronto as a result of Ford being elected. All the areas around Toronto may be conservative or moderate, but the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) is fairly liberal, and extremely liberal if you were to count people my age (18-29). You can't speak for all Canadians when you make a blanket statement like that, because depending on where you live in Canada it will vary. But what I said about Toronto remains true, although I think the political opinions are changing in the younger crowd, well at least amongst teenage boys. I can post links to some of the protests that have happened in the last few years if you think I am making this up.

I see, sorry about earlier. I didn't know you were gay, so this is a big issue for you. Now I don't live in the deep south, but from what I have heard, it sounds bad, so what you are saying does make sense. But for the person that replied earlier that Canadians are moderate, may I ask your age and where you live? Obviously, you haven't heard of all the left wing protests that have happened in Toronto as a result of Ford being elected. All the areas around Toronto may be conservative or moderate, but the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) is fairly liberal, and extremely liberal if you were to count people my age (18-29). You can't speak for all Canadians when you make a blanket statement like that, because depending on where you live in Canada it will vary. But what I said about Toronto remains true, although I think the political opinions are changing in the younger crowd, well at least amongst teenage boys. I can post links to some of the protests that have happened in the last few years if you think I am making this up.


So if you protest against cuts to your child's autism support programmes or schooling you are far left?  ???

Ford's approval rating is 20% and disapproval is at 73% according to the latest poll. You are not an extremist if you dislike him, in fact you are most likely on the fringe if you do like him.

And don't lump the GTA with downtown. I live in the Greater Toronto Area and the Conservatives won in a landslide in my riding with 60% of the vote (the runner-up Liberals got only 25%). Richmond Hill, for reference. So even by your own metrics calling Toronto a far-left city is unfounded.

So if you protest against cuts to your child's autism support programmes or schooling you are far left?  ???

Ford's approval rating is 20% and disapproval is at 73% according to the latest poll. You are not an extremist if you dislike him, in fact you are most likely on the fringe if you do like him.

And don't lump the GTA with downtown. I live in the Greater Toronto Area and the Conservatives won in a landslide in my riding with 60% of the vote. Richmond Hill, for reference. So even by your own metrics calling Toronto a far-left city is unfounded.

Very true. Any average person including your average conservative hates Ford. I don't know what GameXaper is talking about. We have politicians that are universally disliked regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.

I have no idea what is with American's notion that Canada is some far left place. Makes no sense to me. We are very conservative compared to the rest of the world including countries in Europe. Canada is a moderate western country like the UK. In fact I wish we were more left. Most other western countries have better welfare systems like in the EU the mandatory vacation time is 4 weeks and here we have only 2 weeks (the US has zero vacation days mandated by law).

The reason Canada is still fairly conservative compared to other places is the proximity to the US. We seem to compete with the US rather than other western countries because they are so close to us. I think it's time that stops, and we start competing with other western countries like in Europe, and not compete with the US because already we are way behind. I feel bad for Americans because even in Canada it feels like we aren't as advanced and progressive as other countries in the world but imagine in America which is even more behind. We have basic services every other country (besides US) has like universal health care but it's not enough because we are lagging behind a lot. The big conservative movement in this country going on doesn't help things much either because the the conservatives won't change a thing, in fact they will probably make more cuts to make us even further behind!

Very true. Any average person including your average conservative hates Ford. I don't know what GameXaper is talking about. We have politicians that are universally disliked regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.

I have no idea what is with American's notion that Canada is some far left place. Makes no sense to me. We are very conservative compared to the rest of the world including countries in Europe. Canada is a moderate western country like the UK. In fact I wish we were more left. Most other western countries have better welfare systems like in the EU the mandatory vacation time is 4 weeks and here we have only 2 weeks (the US has zero vacation days mandated by law).


On the topic of vacation time, Ford cut the 10 sick days everyone used to have (3 of which were paid) down to 3 sick days only, and made them all unpaid. I hope I'm not an SJW for disliking that policy.

On the topic of vacation time, Ford cut the 10 sick days everyone used to have (3 of which were paid) down to 3 sick days only, and made them all unpaid. I hope I'm not an SJW for disliking that policy.


I have never worked at a place that had “paid sick days”.

Paid sick days simply turn into vacation days for many people.

The HR guy at my company had a great idea to provide everybody with one “paid sick day” to (inexplicably in his mind) alleviate excess sick time off. Our company owner laughed him out of his office.  ;D

The reason Canada is still fairly conservative compared to other places is the proximity to the US. We seem to compete with the US rather than other western countries because they are so close to us. I think it's time that stops, and we start competing with other western countries like in Europe, and not compete with the US because already we are way behind. I feel bad for Americans because even in Canada it feels like we aren't as advanced and progressive as other countries in the world but imagine in America which is even more behind. We have basic services every other country (besides US) has like universal health care but it's not enough because we are lagging behind a lot. The big conservative movement in this country going on doesn't help things much either because the the conservatives won't change a thing, in fact they will probably make more cuts to make us even further behind!


I actually remarked on that in the Rants thread when I was vacationing in the UK last summer. I can't remember exactly what I said, but the gist of it was when the UK/Europe is being progressive, it feels very real and organic. Meanwhile, when Canada is being progressive, it's only a reaction to the US being conservative on that topic. We take our frame of reference of what is "normal" from the States, and we try to improve on it from there. In Europe on the other hand they have their own definition of what normal is.

It's like the gun laws. Canada apparently has very strict and illiberal gun laws and it's basically English-speaking North Korea if you believe what the Americans say... yet we have the second highest gun ownership in the developed world after the US ;D In Europe you have countries with near total ban on guns, and that's not as a reaction to what's going on in the US–the idea that guns are essential to living in a free country just never took root there in the first place.

The reason Canada is still fairly conservative compared to other places is the proximity to the US. We seem to compete with the US rather than other western countries because they are so close to us. I think it's time that stops, and we start competing with other western countries like in Europe, and not compete with the US because already we are way behind. I feel bad for Americans because even in Canada it feels like we aren't as advanced and progressive as other countries in the world but imagine in America which is even more behind. We have basic services every other country (besides US) has like universal health care but it's not enough because we are lagging behind a lot. The big conservative movement in this country going on doesn't help things much either because the the conservatives won't change a thing, in fact they will probably make more cuts to make us even further behind!


Don’t feel bad for us Yanks... We’re not the ones “behind”.

I have never worked at a place that had “paid sick days”.

Paid sick days simply turn into vacation days for many people.

The HR guy at my company had a great idea to provide everybody with one “paid sick day” to (inexplicably in his mind) alleviate excess sick time off. Our company owner laughed him out of his office.  ;D


Well, that's unfortunate. Falling sick is a fact of life, and 3-5 days is about the average number of days a working age person spends a year being debilitatingly sick. Just like the 40-48 hour workweek was instituted to prevent needless overwork, you need paid sick days too to prevent people going into work sick and causing harm to others and to themselves.

We consider your country crazy for a variety of reasons and it long predates Trump getting elected. From guns to religion to this strange debate surrounding what shouldn’t be a controversial subject at all (abortion), it just looks decidedly bizarre to an outsider.

Brexit is a mess but all things considered I’ll take our mess over yours, especially when being a mess seems to be the default US state of existence regardless of who you put into power.


You're doing the same thing US conservatives do. They point to a country worse than ours to "raise" us up all while ignoring our country's problems.

Ya know what? Have fun with your downward spiral. When your country goes all Norsefire...have a good ol time sitting in your fearful flat saying "at least we're not America."

So if you protest against cuts to your child's autism support programmes or schooling you are far left?  ???

Ford's approval rating is 20% and disapproval is at 73% according to the latest poll. You are not an extremist if you dislike him, in fact you are most likely on the fringe if you do like him.

And don't lump the GTA with downtown. I live in the Greater Toronto Area and the Conservatives won in a landslide in my riding with 60% of the vote (the runner-up Liberals got only 25%). Richmond Hill, for reference. So even by your own metrics calling Toronto a far-left city is unfounded.




You are right, but I never stated that I liked Ford, especially considering I'm a University student who has to suffer from his new laws. But that doesn't disprove the fact that the colleges in the city have a fair share of students who are a part of the far-left crowd. U of T, York, and Ryerson to name a few. In fact, it is those students who were responsible for the anti-ford protests, you want proof https://www.marxist.ca/socialist-fightback-student/1428-ryerson-over-100-rally-against-ford-s-anti-protest-law.html, I saw posters for this protest all over Ryerson which had this website on it, and was a couple of hours too early to see it take off. Now, as I stated before, I don't like the guy, but I know that protesting is not going to solve anything, so I don't waste my time. So, anyways I checked this image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ontario_general_election_2018_-_Results_by_Riding.svg
and you are right that your area voted mostly conservative, but then again Richmond hill is a well off area. And I underestimated the size of the GTA, I take back what I said earlier, instead what I said before only applies to the city instead of the GTA. I guess I have been living here way too long, being surrounded by liberals everywhere I went and just thought that this entire area was like that. I am glad to see that some areas are more moderate. But you can see for yourself that all of the areas around downtown are fairly liberal (I include the NDP as a liberal party, though they are more moderate than the Liberal Party), and I guess that is because the older adults prefer the NDPs. If it was only students, I am fairly certain it would be colored red instead of orange. You can't deny the fact that the student crowd tends to be fairly-left wing, and the student left has a very loud voice.

On a side note, I wish I could live in Richmond Hill. How's it like? I hear the houses there are really big and you get a lot of space in your backyards.

You are right, but I never stated that I liked Ford, especially considering I'm a University student who has to suffer from his new laws. But that doesn't disprove the fact that the colleges in the city have a fair share of students who are a part of the far-left crowd. U of T, York, and Ryerson to name a few. In fact, it is those students who were responsible for the anti-ford protests, you want proof https://www.marxist.ca/socialist-fightback-student/1428-ryerson-over-100-rally-against-ford-s-anti-protest-law.html, I saw posters for this protest all over Ryerson which had this website on it, and was a couple of hours too early to see it take off. Now, as I stated before, I don't like the guy, but I know that protesting is not going to solve anything, so I don't waste my time. So, anyways I checked this image https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Ontario_general_election_2018_-_Results_by_Riding.svg
and you are right that your area voted mostly conservative, but then again Richmond hill is a well off area. And I underestimated the size of the GTA, I take back what I said earlier, instead what I said before only applies to the city instead of the GTA. I guess I have been living here way too long, being surrounded by liberals everywhere I went and just thought that this entire area was like that. I am glad to see that some areas are more moderate. But you can see for yourself that all of the areas around downtown are fairly liberal (I include the NDP as a liberal party, though they are more moderate than the Liberal Party), and I guess that is because the older adults prefer the NDPs. If it was only students, I am fairly certain it would be colored red instead of orange. You can't deny the fact that the student crowd tends to be fairly-left wing, and the student left has a very loud voice.

On a side note, I wish I could live in Richmond Hill. How's it like? I hear the houses there are really big and you get a lot of space in your backyards.

NDP is actually to the left of the Liberal Party.

Wow, I never knew that inthe00s was a politics forum.

You are right, but I never stated that I liked Ford, especially considering I'm a University student who has to suffer from his new laws.

I wasn't accusing you, that's why I put "do" in italics.  ;)


But that doesn't disprove the fact that the colleges in the city have a fair share of students who are a part of the far-left crowd. U of T, York, and Ryerson to name a few.


Oh, I won't deny that. The communist/socialist clubs are one of the biggest on campus.

But have you ever stopped to think how many people aren't a part of these clubs? I would bet the vast majority of students aren't. UofT has 70,000 students. I would be shocked if the socialist club had any more than 1,000 students, as vocal as they are and impressive as their ability to plaster posters on everyone's dog is. The vast majority of students are not far-left.


In fact, it is those students who were responsible for the anti-ford protests, you want proof https://www.marxist.ca/socialist-fightback-student/1428-ryerson-over-100-rally-against-ford-s-anti-protest-law.html, I saw posters for this protest all over Ryerson which had this website on it, and was a couple of hours too early to see it take off.  Now, as I stated before, I don't like the guy, but I know that protesting is not going to solve anything, so I don't waste my time.


Oh, you're talking about that. That is nowhere near the biggest anti-Ford protest there was. These 100 people might be far-left (although cuts to student loans seems to be a valid reason to protest as any), but there have been hundreds of thousands of people who have protested against Ford and they are not extremists in any way.

The student walkout where 200,000 people (including students, parents, teachers) protested the cuts to public education https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/students-across-ontario-walk-out-of-class-in-protest-of-ford-education-changes-1.4365476

A thousand people protesting against Doug Ford's cuts to autism programmes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/autism-protest-queens-park-1.5046429

And I disagree when you say these protests don't work. His disapproval rating is over 70%. Everyone hates this man, and turning on the TV and seeing mothers of autistic children crying is not helping his image of "A government people for the people!" The pressure will be on him by his party to turn this around before the next election or else they're going to be wiped off the map.


So, anyways I checked this image
and you are right that your area voted mostly conservative, but then again Richmond hill is a well off area. And I underestimated the size of the GTA, I take back what I said earlier, instead what I said before only applies to the city instead of the GTA. I guess I have been living here way too long, being surrounded by liberals everywhere I went and just thought that this entire area was like that. I am glad to see that some areas are more moderate. But you can see for yourself that all of the areas around downtown are fairly liberal (I include the NDP as a liberal party, though they are more moderate than the Liberal Party), and I guess that is because the older adults prefer the NDPs. If it was only students, I am fairly certain it would be colored red instead of orange. You can't deny the fact that the student crowd tends to be fairly-left wing, and the student left has a very loud voice.

I won't deny downtown is more left-wing on the whole. I grew up on the Danforth in my teen years and it was all NDP when I was growing up there*. But that's not all of Toronto. Downtown has maybe 800k of Toronto's 2.5 million people. Even North York, Northern Etobicoke and North Scarborough in that image there voted for Ford, and North York isn't some outback either, and North Etobicoke/Scarborough aren't what I'd call wealthy. Even within these individual ridings, you have tons of Conservative voters especially in the Yonge-Eglinton and Leaside area, even if that area is coloured red on that map. Liberals are more moderate than the NDP, by the way.

*BTW, even if an area votes left-wing, doesn't mean it's full of SJWs. I was tormented for being gay in high school despite what living in a left-wing neighbourhood. I don't want to say it was a conservative environment, but it wasn't some hippie paradise either. This was pre-2010 though.


On a side note, I wish I could live in Richmond Hill. How's it like? I hear the houses there are really big and you get a lot of space in your backyards.


It's quite nice, if a bit too quiet. My house is big enough but I could use more backyard space :P

If you're going to move here, you should do it after you get married and have kids. It's very boring to spend your 20s here unless you really like nature and Cantonese food. ;D

I live near the Greenbelt (Oak Ridges Moraine), which Ford wants to cut down even though he promised during the election he wouldn't.  ::) It's really beautiful, so I guess... come see it while you can :P

https://i.imgur.com/yEWA1Yt.jpg

I wasn't accusing you, that's why I put "do" in italics.  ;)

Oh, I won't deny that. The communist/socialist clubs are one of the biggest on campus.

But have you ever stopped to think how many people aren't a part of these clubs? I would bet the vast majority of students aren't. UofT has 70,000 students. I would be shocked if the socialist club had any more than 1,000 students, as vocal as they are and impressive as their ability to plaster posters on everyone's dog is. The vast majority of students are not far-left.

Oh, you're talking about that. That is nowhere near the biggest anti-Ford protest there was. These 100 people might be far-left (although cuts to student loans seems to be a valid reason to protest as any), but there have been hundreds of thousands of people who have protested against Ford and they are not extremists in any way.

The student walkout where 200,000 people (including students, parents, teachers) protested the cuts to public education https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/students-across-ontario-walk-out-of-class-in-protest-of-ford-education-changes-1.4365476

A thousand people protesting against Doug Ford's cuts to autism programmes https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/autism-protest-queens-park-1.5046429

And I disagree when you say these protests don't work. His disapproval rating is over 70%. Everyone hates this man, and turning on the TV and seeing mothers of autistic children crying is not helping his image of "A government people for the people!" The pressure will be on him by his party to turn this around before the next election or else they're going to be wiped off the map.


I won't deny downtown is more left-wing on the whole. I grew up on the Danforth in my teen years and it was all NDP when I was growing up there*. But that's not all of Toronto. Downtown has maybe 800k of Toronto's 2.5 million people. Even North York, Northern Etobicoke and North Scarborough in that image there voted for Ford, and North York isn't some outback either, and North Etobicoke/Scarborough aren't what I'd call wealthy. Even within these individual ridings, you have tons of Conservative voters especially in the Yonge-Eglinton and Leaside area, even if that area is coloured red on that map. Liberals are more moderate than the NDP, by the way.

*BTW, even if an area votes left-wing, doesn't mean it's full of SJWs. I was tormented for being gay in high school despite what living in a left-wing neighbourhood. I don't want to say it was a conservative environment, but it wasn't some hippie paradise either. This was pre-2010 though.

It's quite nice, if a bit too quiet. My house is big enough but I could use more backyard space :P

If you're going to move here, you should do it after you get married and have kids. It's very boring to spend your 20s here unless you really like nature and Cantonese food. ;D

I live near the Greenbelt (Oak Ridges Moraine), which Ford wants to cut down even though he promised during the election he wouldn't.  ::) It's really beautiful, so I guess... come see it while you can :P

https://i.imgur.com/yEWA1Yt.jpg


Well, you are definitely right about that. A lot of students aren't left-wing, but the moderates or conservatives can't speak out. Otherwise, they'll be accused of being alt-right, racist, fascist, etc. They are what constitute of the silent majority, but because they refuse to speak up, everyone is assumed to be liberal. Professors and those in Academia tend to be liberal as well, well most of them, and like the students, those with different views, don't speak up due to perceiving that their opinions won't be accepted let alone tolerated by the others. The far-left speaks very loud, but you are right, as many as they are, they are nowhere near the majority. I hope this can all change. For the record, I am also a moderate, not a conservative. I've lived in a household with very conservative and religious parents and neighborhood, yet went to a school filled with very left-wing students and classmates, so I've seen both extremes and don't want any part of that.

Yeah, I'll come around and check it out sometime. Having been a city boy for all of my life, the few times I ever went to the countryside, I always liked it much better than being stuck in a cramped neighborhood surrounded by so many people. So, I will appreciate the serenity a calm quiet neighborhood offers, especially one with lots of natural landscape and empty space.

I have never worked at a place that had “paid sick days”.

Paid sick days simply turn into vacation days for many people.

The HR guy at my company had a great idea to provide everybody with one “paid sick day” to (inexplicably in his mind) alleviate excess sick time off. Our company owner laughed him out of his office.  ;D

So if you Americans get sick your screwed twice? No money and being sick? That's awful. ???
Do you insure yourself for the case of becoming sick or how is that handled? I mean from what I hear a lot of Americans barely make it from paycheck to paycheck so becoming sick with no compensation would be a catastrophe. :o 
Over here if you get sick you have to get an attest of a doctor who confirms that you are sick. Then the employer has to pay you your normal wages for up to 6 weeks. If you're still sick after that the health insurance covers 3/4 of your income (IIRC).  If an employer suspects abuse of the system he can send a doctor of the "Medical service of the health insurance companies" to his employee and let him check on him to make sure he's really sick and not faking. The system works pretty well over here.

So if you Americans get sick your screwed twice? No money and being sick? That's awful. ???
Do you insure yourself for the case of becoming sick or how is that handled? I mean from what I hear a lot of Americans barely make it from paycheck to paycheck so becoming sick with no compensation would be a catastrophe. :o


When we get sick, we simply take a paid vacation day.

As to characterizing being sick as “getting screwed”, I learned long ago that life is not always fair.

When we get sick, we simply take a paid vacation day.

As to characterizing being sick as “getting screwed”, I learned long ago that life is not always fair.


If I recall correctly most Americans don't get that many vacation days either? So in places where you have paid sick days people feel entitled to take them as vacation if they haven't been ill.

In the UK, depending on where you work, most people typically get 25-30 days paid vacation, plus around 8 public holidays. 

If you are ill your employer pays you at least £94.25 a week for up to 28 weeks. Many companies pay a lot more than this.  A previous company I worked for paid full pay for 6 months and half pay for six months as standard for all employees.

If you are only ill for 3 days you are paid your regular wage and only need to complete a short note to your employer as to the nature of your illness - longer than this needs a letter from your GP.

When we get sick, we simply take a paid vacation day.

Yes, very simple...especially if you have back problems which make sure you can't even crawl for two months or cancer or....

As to characterizing being sick as “getting screwed”, I learned long ago that life is not always fair.

From what I see that means your system is all for the employer and doesn't care for the employee. Not fair at all in my opinion but if you guys are happy with it more power to you.

Yes, very simple...especially if you have back problems which make sure you can't even crawl for two months or cancer or....From what I see that means your system is all for the employer and doesn't care for the employee. Not fair at all in my opinion but if you guys are happy with it more power to you.


In the US, how these matters go mostly depends on your employer and the state you live in.

Well, that's unfortunate. Falling sick is a fact of life, and 3-5 days is about the average number of days a working age person spends a year being debilitatingly sick. Just like the 40-48 hour workweek was instituted to prevent needless overwork, you need paid sick days too to prevent people going into work sick and causing harm to others and to themselves.


No one wants to come to work and spreading germs onto all the co-workers.

No one wants to come to work and spreading germs onto all the co-workers.
Indeed, but what do you do if you can't afford to stay at home? ???

If I recall correctly most Americans don't get that many vacation days either? So in places where you have paid sick days people feel entitled to take them as vacation if they haven't been ill.

In the UK, depending on where you work, most people typically get 25-30 days paid vacation, plus around 8 public holidays. 

If you are ill your employer pays you at least £94.25 a week for up to 28 weeks. Many companies pay a lot more than this.  A previous company I worked for paid full pay for 6 months and half pay for six months as standard for all employees.

If you are only ill for 3 days you are paid your regular wage and only need to complete a short note to your employer as to the nature of your illness - longer than this needs a letter from your GP.


I work part time and I get about 20 days paid vacation.

Indeed, but what do you do if you can't afford to stay at home? ???


clone yourself?

Yes, very simple...especially if you have back problems which make sure you can't even crawl for two months or cancer or....From what I see that means your system is all for the employer and doesn't care for the employee. Not fair at all in my opinion but if you guys are happy with it more power to you.


How is it “fair” that the employer:

1. Has an employee who does not show up.

2. Then typically incurs overtime pay to get somebody in to do the work.

3. PLUS would have to pay the guy who did not show up for work.

(I include the NDP as a liberal party, though they are more moderate than the Liberal Party)

The liberals are more moderate than the NDP. Some people think of liberals as conservative-lites. Or liberals as those who campaign to the left but govern to the right. The conservatives and liberals are very similar to many people. NDP is to the left of liberals. NDP is a social democratic party. They were the first to introduce universal health care and they are seen as more socialist. That's why when they won in Alberta, the most conservative province in Canada, it was a huge shock and it was historic. They usually call for reforms in health care like making all medications free for everyone and making daycare free and raising corporate taxes. Jack Layton's NDP was for the people and average workers right, a true left wing party that advocated for average working Canadians. It is a party that has always been for the people rather than corporations unlike Liberals and Conservatives. But yeah the NDP is even more liberal than the liberal party on the political spectrum.

How is it “fair” that the employer:

1. Has an employee who does not show up.

2. Then typically incurs overtime pay to get somebody in to do the work.

3. PLUS would have to pay the guy who did not show up for work.

1. People do get sick. It's not like the employee wants to be sick. If the employer suspects foul play he can send doctors to check on him.

2./3. It's sharing responsibility. The employees are generating the profits for the company, usually way beyond what they earn. In turn the employer has to take care of his work force in case of illness for a limited time.

1. People do get sick. It's not like the employee wants to be sick. If the employer suspects foul play he can send doctors to check on him.

2./3. It's sharing responsibility. The employees are generating the profits for the company, usually way beyond what they earn. In turn the employer has to take care of his work force in case of illness for a limited time.


Employees generate profit. That’s why they are paid to work.

Always people who expect somebody else to pay for their problems. If it is a “sharing responsibility” how is it that you would advocate the “sick” person made financially whole whilst the employer has to pay for the full day’s pay?

Employees generate profit. That’s why they are paid to work.

Always people who expect somebody else to pay for their problems. If it is a “sharing responsibility” how is it that you would advocate the “sick” person made financially whole whilst the employer has to pay for the full day’s pay?

As you once said the world isn't always fair.  ;)
If someone has to take the financial risk should it be taken by the weaker guy who barely makes it from pay check to pay check or the stronger one wearing the suit and driving the Porsche?
You advocate it should be the weak one. As for sharing the responsibility over here the employee makes everything possible. He generates the profits just like in the US. The only difference to the US is that here he is entitled to the payment and sick days (if he can proof he really is sick).

Employers know the cost of employees, hire them accordingly and price their products to cover those costs. We are still one of the leading export countries in the world so it seems that our system doesn't put too much strain on companies as they can still produce at competitive costs.  ;)

Besides since you wrote "sick" in quotation marks I assume you still think every worker here pretends to be sick to get paid vacation.. ::).

If you're happy with your system good for you but I'm glad that no one here gets financially destroyed because of becoming ill.

The liberals are more moderate than the NDP. Some people think of liberals as conservative-lites. Or liberals as those who campaign to the left but govern to the right. The conservatives and liberals are very similar to many people. NDP is to the left of liberals. NDP is a social democratic party. They were the first to introduce universal health care and they are seen as more socialist. That's why when they won in Alberta, the most conservative province in Canada, it was a huge shock and it was historic. They usually call for reforms in health care like making all medications free for everyone and making daycare free and raising corporate taxes. Jack Layton's NDP was for the people and average workers right, a true left wing party that advocated for average working Canadians. It is a party that has always been for the people rather than corporations unlike Liberals and Conservatives. But yeah the NDP is even more liberal than the liberal party on the political spectrum.


Really? Wow, and here I thought or at least remembered from grade 10 civics, that the liberal party was more liberal than the NDP party. Well, I guess I am wrong.

Really? Wow, and here I thought or at least remembered from grade 10 civics, that the liberal party was more liberal than the NDP party. Well, I guess I am wrong.

Yeah this is the Canadian political spectrum roughly. It's missing the Green Party which would be the leftmost party.

http://bclearningnetwork.com/LOR/media/SS11/COURSE_4034644_M/my_files/onlinefiles/lesson11b_online.jpg

The liberals are more moderate than the NDP. Some people think of liberals as conservative-lites. Or liberals as those who campaign to the left but govern to the right. The conservatives and liberals are very similar to many people. NDP is to the left of liberals. NDP is a social democratic party. They were the first to introduce universal health care and they are seen as more socialist. That's why when they won in Alberta, the most conservative province in Canada, it was a huge shock and it was historic. They usually call for reforms in health care like making all medications free for everyone and making daycare free and raising corporate taxes. Jack Layton's NDP was for the people and average workers right, a true left wing party that advocated for average working Canadians. It is a party that has always been for the people rather than corporations unlike Liberals and Conservatives. But yeah the NDP is even more liberal than the liberal party on the political spectrum.


I just realized GameXCaper might be too young to remember Jack Layton :o

I was honoured to vote for him in my first election after I turned 18 in 2011. I was so sad when he passed away just a few months later.  :\'(

My mom and brother got to see him and talk to him in person at his campaign office launch in 2008 when they were just walking around, it was not far from our house. I was at work then, I was so jealous  ;D And speaking of meeting politicians, my other brother also shook Paul Martin's hand in 2004 at a rally, he ignored me lol.  ::)

I wouldn't say the NDP are more liberal than the Liberals, but they are more socialist. The Liberals have a left-leaning and a right-leaning faction. The left-leaning has been more prominent this decade, but that was absolutely not the case in the last decade with Paul Martin and his obsession with balanced budgets and tax cuts. I

n Ontario after the Liberals lost in 2018, the right-leaning faction (of which I'm going to include myself a part of as I want a more moderate candidate this time around) is a lot more energized. Fricken' John Tory, a Conservative is leading the polls for the leadership race of the Liberal Party, which just goes to show how moderate Canadian politics is ;D

I just realized GameXCaper might be too young to remember Jack Layton :o

I was honoured to vote for him in my first election after I turned 18 in 2011. I was so sad when he passed away just a few months later.  :\'(

My mom and brother got to see him and talk to him in person at his campaign office launch in 2008 when they were just walking around, it was not far from our house. I was at work then, I was so jealous  ;D And speaking of meeting politicians, my other brother also shook Paul Martin's hand in 2004 at a rally, he ignored me lol.  ::)

I wouldn't say the NDP are more liberal than the Liberals, but they are more socialist. The Liberals have a left-leaning and a right-leaning faction. The left-leaning has been more prominent this decade, but that was absolutely not the case in the last decade with Paul Martin and his obsession with balanced budgets and tax cuts. I

n Ontario after the Liberals lost in 2018, the right-leaning faction (of which I'm going to include myself a part of as I want a more moderate candidate this time around) is a lot more energized. Fricken' John Tory, a Conservative is leading the polls for the leadership race of the Liberal Party, which just goes to show how moderate Canadian politics is ;D

Yeah Jack Layton was great. I wish he was still around.

By more liberal I meant more left wing. NDP is also very socially liberal too.

Really.  What a hellish nightmare era to live through.  We are very fast creeping towards becoming 'A Handmaid's Tale' in this country.  The economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and Trump is doing everything he can to push it over the edge.  And most people are fine with it because they are getting their revenge on the people they hate, most notably the LGBT community and non-Christians.  They are getting abortion banned and Bible classes back in schools. In a way, this is "payback" for legal gay marriage.  In a way, I worry that gay marriage happened a few years too soon in this country.  The backlash has been nothing short of horrifying.  It feels like love won the battle but hate has won the war.

If you aren't white, heterosexual, conservative, and fundamentalist Christian you are nothing these days.  The theme of this era is that the world would be a better place with gays back in the closet, women back in the kitchen, brown people on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and a Bible in every classroom.  If you don't believe that you are a worthless piece of sheesh snowflake who isn't a real American and is a traitor to our country.  All while THEY are actively destroying democracy and our entire way of life to achieve that vision.  Nothing matters other than total fundamentalist Christian rule over the United States.  Nothing matters other than enforced patriarchy.  Everyone must know and stay in their place.  If you believe in climate change you are a "brainwashed fool."  Everyone should know that the warming global temperatures are because Jesus is coming back!

What a fudgeing dispicable nightmare era we are living through.  I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE  the late '10s!  Worst years of my life.


Oh just shut up you miserable twat.

Any year or decade is good when you are blessed with being alive.

Oh just shut up you miserable twat.


I hate it when people got to get all political take your social activism somewhere else please.

I work part time and I get about 20 days paid vacation.


Man, thats a nice deal.  8)

If you aren't white, heterosexual, conservative, and fundamentalist Christian you are nothing these days. 


Let’s see how I stack up...


White: Check
Heterosexual: Check
Conservative: Check
Fundamentalist Christian: Probably (Roman Catholic)


Sounds like I’m picking in the tall cotton... 

Let’s see how I stack up...


White: Check
Heterosexual: Check
Conservative: Check
Fundamentalist Christian: Probably (Roman Catholic)


Sounds like I’m picking in the tall cotton...

Lotso The (Country) Bear: Check

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/4/49/A61F0EF0-83A8-4E0D-B616-2E1ECE5C9062.png/revision/latest?cb=20181126205424

Lotso The (Country) Bear: Check

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/4/49/A61F0EF0-83A8-4E0D-B616-2E1ECE5C9062.png/revision/latest?cb=20181126205424


;D ;D

Man, thats a nice deal.  8)


Yeah, I would say that's pretty nice.

I remember in the thread below how optimistic I was about 2019 and how I though it would be a fun year. I was totally wrong! It feels even more dystopian than 2009!  :o

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=55877.0

2020 can't come soon enough. This decade can't end soon enough.

2020 can't come soon enough. This decade can't end soon enough.

Ah yes, bring on the 2020s. Can't wait for an another decade of endless whining and complaints on this forum.

Ah yes, bring on the 2020s. Can't wait for an another decade of endless whining and complaints on this forum.

yeah this forum has jumped the shark, come over to Popedia instead

Yeah, I actually dislike the 2010's as a whole, but that's probably mostly due to my age. I grew up during an era when pop culture was very flashy and over the top. Most TV shows were very cheesy and didn't care that they didn't get critical acclaim. Everybody wore ugly clothes and were considered fashionable for doing so. Everything, generally, didn't get taken as seriously. We didn't argue as much about politics and cultural stuff. Things were more laid back. To me, the 2010's are something of a bland decade compared to the '90s and early '00s.

yeah this forum has jumped the shark, come over to Popedia instead


What's up, Titor? Having fun fudging me?

yeah this forum has jumped the shark, come over to Popedia instead


Does anybody here remember who used to be pimplng Popedia here?  ??? I can't remember. Maybe that provides a clue as to who fbgn was.

What's up, Titor? Having fun fudging me?


It's not Titor, they were nowhere near this obsessed with generation-ology (while unironically calling other people 'autists' for being obsessed with generation-ology).

It's not Titor, they were nowhere near this obsessed with generation-ology (while unironically calling other people 'autists' for being obsessed with generation-ology).


Ya sure? That could be Titor's way of trying to either throw off the scent or be an edgy troll parody of themselves.

It's not Titor, they were nowhere near this obsessed with generation-ology (while unironically calling other people 'autists' for being obsessed with generation-ology).

Their behavior seems very similar to that 15 year old with the Jake Long avatar.

It's not Titor, they were nowhere near this obsessed with generation-ology (while unironically calling other people 'autists' for being obsessed with generation-ology).


As someone who is on the spectrum I hate it when people use the term "autist" as an insult. Just proves they are a douche lol.

Toronto won their first ever NBA championship, a first for Canada and a very historic thing. Music is slowly but surely getting better. Things are looking up in 2019.  :) I'm starting to sense that end of the decade fun and hopeful feeling. Who knows, if 2019 really does continue to improve, it may just save the late 2010s. And 2018 will be the only culprit then. Then the worst era of the decade will still be the early 2010s (for me). I'm sensing a little more pop culture identity showing up this year but only starting this month which is good because 2019 may end up being good after all if things continue to improve in pop culture and trap music and other boring stuff get demolished.

Toronto won their first ever NBA championship, a first for Canada and a very historic thing. Music is slowly but surely getting better. Things are looking up in 2019.  :) I'm starting to sense that end of the decade fun and hopeful feeling. Who knows, if 2019 really does continue to improve, it may just save the late 2010s. And 2018 will be the only culprit then. Then the worst era of the decade will still be the early 2010s (for me). I'm sensing a little more pop culture identity showing up this year but only starting this month which is good because 2019 may end up being good after all if things continue to improve in pop culture and trap music and other boring stuff get demolished.


I was sleeping and woken up by my brothers' (plural) screaming when that happened.

I've felt like this for years now but I think basketball is starting to become more popular than hockey, at least in Toronto. The Raptors winning is only going to speed up this trend.

I was sleeping and woken up by my brothers' (plural) screaming when that happened.

I've felt like this for years now but I think basketball is starting to become more popular than hockey, at least in Toronto. The Raptors winning is only going to speed up this trend.


Yup, people here couldn't stop talking about it, I for one don't follow or care about sports so I didn't really get the hype. And yeah, basketball has always been more popular amongst the non-whites in Toronto than hockey.

Yup, people here couldn't stop talking about it, I for one don't follow or care about sports so I didn't really get the hype. And yeah, basketball has always been more popular amongst the non-whites in Toronto than hockey.

I don't follow sports much either but it was a big hype this year for basketball because this is the first time the Toronto Raptors ever won and it was a first for Canada too. Very cool!

I don't follow sports much either but it was a big hype this year for basketball because this is the first time the Toronto Raptors ever won and it was a first for Canada too. Very cool!


It was a first win for Canada in any major sporting league since '93. We really needed that.  :-[