I mean, Donald Trump is the president - and the most famous (maybe even the most powerful) member of congress is a socialist.

Trump is a manic, power-hungry, hate-enabling demagogue who is highly skilled at the art of the con, but a failure at everything else.

AOC is just a young, idealistic lefty who lets her passion obstruct good judgment from time to time. No comparison between the two. 

The most despicable era of US history imaginable and it's really hard to believe we're living through this.  I thought that one day America might have a dictator but I didn't think it would happen this soon and I thought it would be a liberal Democrat, not an authoritarian right-wing Christian Nationalist.

Trump is a manic, power-hungry, hate-enabling demagogue who is highly skilled at the art of the con, but a failure at everything else.

AOC is just a young, idealistic lefty who lets her passion obstruct good judgment from time to time. No comparison between the two.


#MAGA

Trump is a manic, power-hungry, hate-enabling demagogue who is highly skilled at the art of the con, but a failure at everything else.


40% of Americans...the most important 40% at that, are convinced Trump has been anointed by God to end abortion, gay rights, and secularism, and return this country to being "one nation under God."  40% of Americans believe this and absolutely nothing can convince them otherwise.  Unbelievable.

The most despicable era of US history imaginable and it's really hard to believe we're living through this.  I thought that one day America might have a dictator but I didn't think it would happen this soon and I thought it would be a liberal Democrat, not an authoritarian right-wing Christian Nationalist.
Bush was kinda that if you think about it. It's just that Trump is way more blunt the Bush Jr ever was. Trump is just "hey, let me live up to all the negative republican stereotypes so I can get your vote".  Trump may be a cocky ego-manatic  but he knows that the reason why he was able to win was because of the overly political correctness that was going on in Obama's 2nd term.  Lots of Obama voters went to trump and not all of them were white. Quite a few Black and even Hispanics voted for Trump despite him being a republican.

Bush was kinda that if you think about it. It's just that Trump is way more blunt the Bush Jr ever was. Trump is just "hey, let me live up to all the negative republican stereotypes so I can get your vote".  Trump may be a cocky ego-manatic  but he knows that the reason why he was able to win was because of the overly political correctness that was going on in Obama's 2nd term.  Lots of Obama voters went to trump and not all of them were white. Quite a few Black and even Hispanics voted for Trump despite him being a republican.


The Left underestimated the resilience of the Christian Right.  Throughout Obama's second term, everyone was saying the Moral Majority era was over and that the fundamentalist Christians no longer had the power they once did.  They said that we were progressing into a new, secular age.  Then it was like....hold my beer.

Now we are all are going to have to pay the price.  I don't think America was ready for the cultural changes that occurred during the mid '10s, especially same-sex marriage and the transgender bathroom issue.  It was too much too quickly and it turned what was a gulf between the culture of rural and urban America into an ocean.  Right now, punishing the left and anybody who doesn't conform to WASP cultural norms guides everything.  Most people are willing to support a dictator as long as they are against the people they hate.  If you aren't a white straight born again you're the absolute scum of the earth now and not even fit to be called human. Things are quickly spiraling out of control.  Truly frightening times to be alive.

The most despicable era of US history imaginable and it's really hard to believe we're living through this.  I thought that one day America might have a dictator but I didn't think it would happen this soon and I thought it would be a liberal Democrat, not an authoritarian right-wing Christian Nationalist.


I'm amazed that anyone would think this, when they're the ones consistently promoting equality under the law and constantly fixing Republicans' messes.

The decline of the US has become increasingly apparent.

The decline of the US has become increasingly apparent.


And there's nothing that can be done.  The Christian Right has this country held hostage.  I would say the current era is a definite case study for the fact that progress isn't always linear.  I almost think they want our country to completely collapse so they can say "I told you so" that God would destroy the US if gay marriage was legalized.  Right now I feel very much like it must have felt in late 1930s Germany or in the US in the 1850s.  These are very dangerous, frightening times to be alive.  I don't know how the country stays together after the 2020 election to be honest.  If Trump wins, it will probably be the final straw for blue state America, who will either join Canada or become a new nation.  If Trump loses, there will be red state secessions because as despised as the left is right now in Trump country there is no way most people will accept a Democratic President, especially if it's somebody like Buttigeig.  The red states, no longer propped up by the blue states, will become second world and oppressively totalitarian, governed by religion.  The blue states will likely becomes a more socialist democracy.

And there's nothing that can be done.  The Christian Right has this country held hostage.  I would say the current era is a definite case study for the fact that progress isn't always linear.  I almost think they want our country to completely collapse so they can say "I told you so" that God would destroy the US if gay marriage was legalized.  Right now I feel very much like it must have felt in late 1930s Germany or in the US in the 1850s.  These are very dangerous, frightening times to be alive.  I don't know how the country stays together after the 2020 election to be honest.  If Trump wins, it will probably be the final straw for blue state America, who will either join Canada or become a new nation.  If Trump loses, there will be red state secessions because as despised as the left is right now in Trump country there is no way most people will accept a Democratic President, especially if it's somebody like Buttigeig.  The red states, no longer propped up by the blue states, will become second world and oppressively totalitarian, governed by religion.  The blue states will likely becomes a more socialist democracy.


That sounds really nice, actually. And I actually live in deep red Dumbfudgeistan. I’d just move my family to the nearest socialist utopia.

And there's nothing that can be done.  The Christian Right has this country held hostage.  I would say the current era is a definite case study for the fact that progress isn't always linear.  I almost think they want our country to completely collapse so they can say "I told you so" that God would destroy the US if gay marriage was legalized.  Right now I feel very much like it must have felt in late 1930s Germany or in the US in the 1850s.  These are very dangerous, frightening times to be alive.  I don't know how the country stays together after the 2020 election to be honest.  If Trump wins, it will probably be the final straw for blue state America, who will either join Canada or become a new nation.  If Trump loses, there will be red state secessions because as despised as the left is right now in Trump country there is no way most people will accept a Democratic President, especially if it's somebody like Buttigeig.  The red states, no longer propped up by the blue states, will become second world and oppressively totalitarian, governed by religion.  The blue states will likely becomes a more socialist democracy.


Yep. But also to add - we're overstretched militarily, income inequality continues to skyrocket, way too car dependent, health care is outrageous, and crony capitalism runs rampant. The right-wing religious fanatics and anti-immigrant fascists are just the icing on a rotten cake.

I think if you ask an average Christian conservative (the non-bigoted ones) they would agree with you guys that the world is getting worse because we're living in the last days (biblically speaking) most Tump supporters I know who are not at all racist but just can't vibe with left-wing views like abortion and gay marriage. This is coming from a young Black man who lives in rural North Carolina.  I get that you guys have more left-wing ideologies so Trump seems like the worst thing that can happen but just remember that America has survived 242 years on mostly bad presdients. If the founding fathers were president today we'll look at them much differently because those men were advocates of slavery and even used the Bible to justify it. Trump while has said offensive things has never'd came off as a religious holier than thou republican which is why he can appeal to a non-christian Gen Xer who's tired of political correctness.

I think if you ask an average Christian conservative (the non-bigoted ones) they would agree with you guys that the world is getting worse because we're living in the last days (biblically speaking) most Tump supporters I know who are not at all racist but just can't vibe with left-wing views like abortion and gay marriage.


This is pretty much it.  Most people today would rather burn the entire country down than accept same-sex marriage or a society where fundamentalist Christianity isn't imposed.  Yet they claim to be the "pro freedom" party.  And any Christian supporting Trump for these reasons IS a bigot and a hypocrite.

And fundamentalist Christians have been saying the Rapture is just about to happen forever.  That's not the kind of thing that should be influencing our foreign policy or environmental policy but here we are.

#MAGA


Trump has largely abandoned the MAGA agenda he champaigned on in 2016, any of Trump's base still supporting him are of bunch of "cucks". ;D

If the founding fathers were president today we'll look at them much differently because those men were advocates of slavery and even used the Bible to justify it.


That is completely untrue and reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of history. First, the Founding Fathers were mostly Deists and staunch rejecters of Puritan Christianity, hence their steadfast insistence on a separation of church and state.

Second, several of the representatives rejected slavery and did in fact want it abolished (Washington, Jefferson, and the signatory from South Carolina excluded). However, they knew the entry of the southern states into the Union was strictly conditional on the legal permissibility of slavery. Hence the Electoral College, 3/5 Compromise, etc.

I think we are living in a transitional period. I have used this analogy before but it really sums up what is going on now.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I was in telecommunications working on Lackland AFB in San Antonio TX. At one point I was a telephone operator working on one of those old cord boards. The room next to where the cord board was, was where the entire base telephone system operated out of. I left that position to work in what was called the comm center which sent & received messages (LONG before email) but in the same building.

So, they were upgrading to an automated system and doing away with the old cord board. I just happen to be working the evening that this took place. When they turned the switch so to speak, the room where the system was went CRAZY! It was super loud. Just making a racket. I was told by the tech guys that the old system was fighting with the new system. The racket went on for about 10 minutes or so maybe longer. As the new system started taking over, it got quieter and quieter until the new system took over completely and everything was silent.

Right now, the old system is fighting with the new system and is making A LOT of noise. They are fighting like hell to keep the status quo when it is obvious things are changing-equal rights, same-sex marriages, etc. etc. How long will it take before the new system takes over? Who knows. But it WILL happen.

Also, to put it more in metaphysical explanation, we have entered into the Age of Aquarius-when the Mayan calendar switched over in 2012. Again, this is a transitional period from the Age of Pisces to the calmer time of the Age of Aquarius. (Yeah, go ahead. Start singing.)

Oh, and I got to keep the dialer from the old cord board-I have it sitting in my curio cabinet in my dining room.


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