I feel there will definitely be a huge transition in pop culture in 2020 or 2021.You can make the argument that 2020 will have the bigger transition change because it's the year if election and usually in history the presidential years are always followed by pop culture changes plus it's at the beginning of the decade.

Also 5g in 2020 will definitely give the beginning of the 2020s that roaring 2020s beginning feel.Also the 2020 olympics(although that may not be the hugest reason.)

But the reason you could say 2021 is because of what I said in the beginning but it might take at least a year to kick in.I really don't know when the early 2020s will start to actually be noticeable but I was thinking around 2021-2022 season.what do you guys think?

I'm pre sure we all gonna come back in 2022 to this and laugh at all this transition talk :P

Not trying to be too decadeological here but I think 2021 will be more of a changeful year. I think 2020 will be more of same as what we have in 2019, but an improved version and a peak/climactic point of the 2017-2020 culture as most years with the summer Olympics and presidential elections are. This might be debatable though especially if Trump doesn't get reelected. I notice on here many people say that years such as 2016 and 2008 were changeful because that's when a new president got elected, but it wasn't until the following years when they assumed office, which is why I felt 2009 and 2017 were more changeful and a beginning of a new period. Even the years that the incumbent president got reelected and started the second term felt changeful, such as 2013, 2005, and 1997. That is why I feel that will be the case for 2021.

I think 2022 will be more eventful, because the anti-Trumpers will finally have to admit that Trump’s second term is even more productive than the first.

I really hope it will be considered the roaring 2020s, and electro swing, and other 1920s/2010s hybrid genres become popular, and TV shows better be good. I hope late 2010s trends like Tik Tok and Fortnite die off soon, because they’re cringy.

But I bet Early/Mid 2020 will still feel the same as Late 2018-2019, but this era is VERY short, compared to other eras of the 2010s.

2021 because by then america will have a new democratic/progressive/liberal president

I think 2020 will be the bigger change. 2020 will probably be a big transitional year, still pretty 2010s but very transitional. And 2021 will be like the first cultural '20s years with most changes taken place and the culture of the early '20s well established by around 2021. But we can go back to this thread and see if I was wrong or not.

but this era is VERY short, compared to other eras of the 2010s.

We are still in the same era we were in since 2016 in my humble opinion. This era will probably end next year, just in time for the next presidential election. Then some time in 2021 a new era will come. This era has been quite long and tired out, the mid 2010s was the shortest lived era ever (only lasted from 2014 - 2015).

2021 because by then america will have a new democratic/progressive/liberal president


I doubt that. I think Trump will get reelected so it will be like when GWB got reelected. Still a cultural change however.

What the future holds, no one knows.

In 2021 we will see a backlash against the Late 10s. 2016-2020 Will be one era.

In 2021 we will see a backlash against the Late 10s. 2016-2020 Will be one era.

That's what I think too. 2021 will be the start of a new era.

In 2021 we will see a backlash against the Late 10s. 2016-2020 Will be one era.


And I say good riddance.  I think future generations will look back on this era like most of us today look back on Jim Crow.  People will be asking "how could we have let this happen?"

But I'm not super hopeful for the 2020s.  I think this next decade will be the decade where the culture war comes to a head and it's possible if not likely that the US might not be united anymore by 2029.

I’m pretty sure we might get a glimpse of early 2020s culture by late 2019 or early 2020.

2021, because the year zero tend to be pretty much identical to the late part of the previous decade

I think the late 2010s and early 2020s might be one era. 2016 was already changeful enough, I don't think you get changeful years like that all the time. But I don't have a crystal ball, so we'll have to wait and see.

2021, because the year zero tend to be pretty much identical to the late part of the previous decade

Not quite, 1998 and 1999 was like the 2000s but 1997 wasn't. 2008 and 2009 was like the 2010s but 2007 wasn't. The last year of the previous decades belonged in the decade after in terms of culture... This is an exception this decade. 2019 is still very much 2010s undoubtedly and there was no shift in 2018 or 2019. 1989 I have no idea but I always think of the '80s in that year but maybe I'm wrong about that. Same as 1979, I always associate it with '70s culture.

I think the late 2010s and early 2020s might be one era. 2016 was already changeful enough, I don't think you get changeful years like that all the time. But I don't have a crystal ball, so we'll have to wait and see.

I don't think so... There is usually a culture shift around every 4 years max. A shift is long overdue, and I think it will be a pretty big shift and change. It's time for a new style of music to hit the charts too. The late 2010s will need to be a separate era from the early '20s because if it wasn't, then the era would be like 8 years which never happens. I think the late '10s will last until 2020, and 2021 will usher a new era of the early '20s. Then I bet the next shift will be in 2024 (in time for the presidential election).

Not quite, 1998 and 1999 was like the 2000s but 1997 wasn't. 2008 and 2009 was like the 2010s but 2007 wasn't. The last year of the previous decades belonged in the decade after in terms of culture... This is an exception this decade. 2019 is still very much 2010s undoubtedly and there was no shift in 2018 or 2019. 1989 I have no idea but I always think of the '80s in that year but maybe I'm wrong about that. Same as 1979, I always associate it with '70s culture.

well like i said, like the "late" part of the previous decade
and i also wouldnt say that 98 was like the 2000s lol, maybe like the first two years at best

well like i said, like the "late" part of the previous decade
and i also wouldnt say that 98 was like the 2000s lol, maybe like the first two years at best

Late 1998 was. And the early 2000s define the decade as a whole anyway.

And I say good riddance.  I think future generations will look back on this era like most of us today look back on Jim Crow.  People will be asking "how could we have let this happen?"

But I'm not super hopeful for the 2020s.  I think this next decade will be the decade where the culture war comes to a head and it's possible if not likely that the US might not be united anymore by 2029.


I actually like this era (2017-2020) better than the 2013-2016 era. Those were some dark times and set the stage for why things are the way they are today. Right now has sort of a return to the Reagan era of the 80's feel to it.

I actually like this era (2017-2020) better than the 2013-2016 era. Those were some dark times and set the stage for why things are the way they are today. Right now has sort of a return to the Reagan era of the 80's feel to it.


You’ve mentioned though that you are a fundamentalist Christian. So that’s not surprising.

Right now is pure hell on earth if you aren’t a white straight born again.

While I personally like the late 2010s, it feels like everyone is angry and on edge. I would not describe it as optimistic in any sense of the word.

While I personally like the late 2010s, it feels like everyone is angry and on edge. I would not describe it as optimistic in any sense of the word.


In Canada you are mostly insulated from the worst of it. Imagine being stuck in the buckle of the US Southern Bible Belt right now. And with the coming US recession things are going to get much worse before they get better.

I do like the music of the late 2010s better than a few years ago, I’ll give it that.

I don't think we live in a conservative era at all. It's just more "right wing" rather than Christian conservative. So it's about what wing you are these days so whether you believe in immigration, gun ownership, socialism, etc. It's more popular to be on the right than the left these days, but still not popular to be religious. It's not a social conservative era about "family values" like in the 1950s. Those days are gone for good now.

In Canada you are mostly insulated from the worst of it. Imagine being stuck in the buckle of the US Southern Bible Belt right now. And with the coming US recession things are going to get much worse before they get better.

I do like the music of the late 2010s better than a few years ago, I’ll give it that.
You are not the minority at all most millennials are anti-trump heck most of the mainstream media is anti-trump. Just look at how much backlash Kayne west gotten for supporting Trump. Back in the Bush era no one would've cared if you supported Bush, but the country music group the Dixie Chicks got so much hate for going against Bush in 03.

Not quite, 1998 and 1999 was like the 2000s but 1997 wasn't. 2008 and 2009 was like the 2010s but 2007 wasn't. The last year of the previous decades belonged in the decade after in terms of culture... This is an exception this decade. 2019 is still very much 2010s undoubtedly and there was no shift in 2018 or 2019. 1989 I have no idea but I always think of the '80s in that year but maybe I'm wrong about that. Same as 1979, I always associate it with '70s culture.


Both 1980 and 1990 had very noticeable hangovers (70s in 1980 & 80s in 1990). They weren't part of the core 70s or 80s (and neither were '79 or '89) but more on the edge with hints of what was to come. I call them "echo" years. I honestly think 2020 will be the same.

I don't think we live in a conservative era at all. It's just more "right wing" rather than Christian conservative. So it's about what wing you are these days so whether you believe in immigration, gun ownership, socialism, etc. It's more popular to be on the right than the left these days, but still not popular to be religious. It's not a social conservative era about "family values" like in the 1950s. Those days are gone for good now.


Bingo, there's a huge difference between these 2 terms. I have to remind myself of this everyday.

I don't think we live in a conservative era at all. It's just more "right wing" rather than Christian conservative. So it's about what wing you are these days so whether you believe in immigration, gun ownership, socialism, etc. It's more popular to be on the right than the left these days, but still not popular to be religious. It's not a social conservative era about "family values" like in the 1950s. Those days are gone for good now.


I disagree.  If you live in a major coastal city you are mostly insulated from it, but right now the US is in an extreme backlash against SJW culture and the same-sex marriage decision.  That is why Trump is so popular.  They want to see us return to how things were in the 1950s with gays in the closet, women in the kitchen, brown people on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and a Bible in every classroom.  That's where we are right now.

And it gets worse as there's more and more calls for violence against those who aren't "real Americans" i.e. WASP.  Despicable and frightening times we are living through.

I disagree.  If you live in a major coastal city you are mostly insulated from it, but right now the US is in an extreme backlash against SJW culture and the same-sex marriage decision.  That is why Trump is so popular.  They want to see us return to how things were in the 1950s with gays in the closet, women in the kitchen, brown people on their side of the tracks out of sight and out of mind, and a Bible in every classroom.  That's where we are right now.

And it gets worse as there's more and more calls for violence against those who aren't "real Americans" i.e. WASP.  Despicable and frightening times we are living through.

I agree! When they say "Make America Great Again!" they mean pre-1960s America. Before the civil rights movement and during the Jim Crow era. The U.S. has always been great economic wise.

I hope the 2020s get rid of this late 2010s dark vibe tbh... Why did things have to go to a dark wave after Trump's election??  :o Literally, it went from that upbeat EDM/Trap sound, to that chill or sad music...

You’ve mentioned though that you are a fundamentalist Christian. So that’s not surprising.

Right now is pure hell on earth if you aren’t a white straight born again.


That's mainly the reason why I'm happier and feel more at peace now, unlike when I was walking in moral darkness. It's also because I retired from the Navy and moved back to Georgia. So overall, my personal life has been a lot better since 2017. The pop culture has been pretty good too, especially in 2018 which had a lot of good music.

I hope the 2020s get rid of this late 2010s dark vibe tbh... Why did things have to go to a dark wave after Trump's election??  :o Literally, it went from that upbeat EDM/Trap sound, to that chill or sad music...


This is a very dark time in our national zeitgeist.  Worst of my lifetime actually.  I thought I'd be an old man before I'd see times like this.

Looks like 2020 wound up being MUCH more changeful.
And I thought the late 2010s were bad, but 2020 has proven to be the worst year I’ve ever lived through.

Looks like 2020 wound up being MUCH more changeful.
And I thought the late 2010s were bad, but 2020 has proven to be the worst year I’ve ever lived through.

2020 was insanely changeful. The entire vibe changed in March of 2020.

2020 was insanely changeful. The entire vibe changed in March of 2020.


And now look where we are 2 years later.

2020 was insanely changeful. The entire vibe changed in March of 2020.


And who would have saw that coming when this thread was created a year earlier. Looking back of course 2020 is the obvious answer, but I always thought if not for the pandemic than 2021 would have been more transitional/changeful with the change in styles and trends.

And who would have saw that coming when this thread was created a year earlier. Looking back of course 2020 is the obvious answer, but I always thought if not for the pandemic than 2021 would have been more transitional/changeful with the change in styles and trends.

I think when the pandemic started in March 2020 I believe everything just about changed.

I think when the pandemic started in March 2020 I believe everything just about changed.


Yes, something that major will have that effect. Not since 9/11 has there been an event so impactful to change our way of life and culture.

Yes, something that major will have that effect. Not since 9/11 has there been an event so impactful to change our way of life and culture.



And also people's thinking too, We are now more self conscious about our health.

And also people's thinking too, We are now more self conscious about our health.


But less conscious about others. Also people's mental health have taken a toll, hence why you see so much more violence now.

But less conscious about others. Also people's mental health have taken a toll, hence why you see so much more violence now.

Like The late Rodney King said "Why Can't We All Just Get Along"?

This thread hasn't aged well lol