I think it's definitely too early to start looking for 2020s culture or what will define the next decade.

Unlike 2008, 2018 has not brought us a significant political shift, an economic crisis, a significant musical movement/artist(s), or any game-changing consumer technology.  Those are among the factors that made 2008 the significant year that it was and why so many people consider it the year that gave birth to '10s culture.  I really don't see anything to indicate that 2018 is the start of the cultural 2020s.

I think it's definitely too early to start looking for 2020s culture or what will define the next decade.

Unlike 2008, 2018 has not brought us a significant political shift, an economic crisis, a significant musical movement/artist(s), or any game-changing consumer technology.  Those are among the factors that made 2008 the significant year that it was and why so many people consider it the year that gave birth to '10s culture.  I really don't see anything to indicate that 2018 is the start of the cultural 2020s.


I'm not trying to say that things are changing in 2018, but we do seem to be drifting away a little bit from the core 2010's (2013-2017):
*Shows integral to this decade's culture like Portlandia and Adventure Time came to an end this year.
*This is a bit controversial to say here, but I think that Gen Z seems to finally have a firm identity this year with tide pods, the Parkland shooting and its aftermath, "Gen Z yellow", and XXXTentacion's death.
*Those big black hipster glasses along with hipster fashion in general seem to be gone now.

2018 is probably at least 90% 2010's though.

I'm not trying to say that things are changing in 2018, but we do seem to be drifting away a little bit from the core 2010's (2013-2017):
*Shows integral to this decade's culture like Portlandia and Adventure Time came to an end this year.
*This is a bit controversial to say here, but I think that Gen Z seems to finally have a firm identity this year with tide pods, the Parkland shooting and its aftermath, "Gen Z yellow", and XXXTentacion's death.
*Those big black hipster glasses along with hipster fashion in general seem to be gone now.

2018 is probably at least 90% 2010's though.


This, its more of a slow burn that started in late 2016/2017, 1997 was also a slow burn year as well  along with late 2001 - 2002 school year (9/11 made the change quicker tho,along with the new systems)


I will use 1997 as an example because classic 90s things were fading slowly, it wasn't just one big change,  You had Spice Girls in Janaury of that year, SNES dead, PlayStation completely taking over , Around April Backstreet Boys become a house hold name, TRL debuts as MTV LIVE that fall, Family Matters leaves TGIF and starts a war with CBS block party, Beavis & Butthead end, Ceo of MTV declares their new focus is GEN Y things were very slow to change but it did.

By the time we got to 1998 most of the changes already did themselves in

This, its more of a slow burn that started in late 2016/2017, 1997 was also a slow burn year as well  along with late 2001 - 2002 school year (9/11 made the change quicker tho,along with the new systems)


I will use 1997 as an example because classic 90s things were fading slowly, it wasn't just one big change,  You had Spice Girls in Janaury of that year, SNES dead, PlayStation completely taking over , Around April Backstreet Boys become a house hold name, TRL debuts as MTV LIVE that fall, Family Matters leaves TGIF and starts a war with CBS block party, Beavis & Butthead end, Ceo of MTV declares their new focus is GEN Y things were very slow to change but it did.

By the time we got to 1998 most of the changes already did themselves in


So you think that by next year (according to this pattern), most of the changes will already "do themselves" in?

So you think that by next year, most of the changes will already "do themselves" in?
For the most part things have been building since the day Trump got elected


- Emo rap,  XXX death, Mac Millers death ( he isn't emo rap)
the genre will prob peak next year

-  Emo/pop punk  underground movement
Has been brewing for some time with nights like EMO NITE in areas of LA and NY, only time will tell
but it looks like its growing by every month.

Death of Hipster
Already listed tons of articles on why, Portlandia a show about Hipsters is ending because the
culture is on the decline.


Decline of Facebook
#Delete Facebook and all the privacy concerns going on.

mee too derailed
The whole thing with that woman actor really derailed the movement, I forget her name.

Decline  of Post apocalyptic shows in favor of Camp
Steven King's IT,  Stranger things

Return of Sitcoms 
TGIF is back October 5th by the way,  Fuller House , One day at a time, Kevin cant wait



All of this stuff is building towards the foundation of what the 2020s will be

For the most part things have been building since the day Trump got elected


- Emo rap,  XXX death, Mac Millers death ( he isn't emo rap)
the genre will prob peak next year

-  Emo/pop punk  underground movement
Has been brewing for some time with nights like EMO NITE in areas of LA and NY, only time will tell
but it looks like its growing by every month.

Death of Hipster
Already listed tons of articles on why, Portlandia a show about Hipsters is ending because the
culture is on the decline.


Decline of Facebook
#Delete Facebook and all the privacy concerns going on.

mee too derailed
The whole thing with that woman actor really derailed the movement, I forget her name.

Decline  of Post apocalyptic shows in favor of Camp
Steven King's IT,  Stranger things

Return of Sitcoms 
TGIF is back October 5th by the way,  Fuller House , One day at a time, Kevin cant wait



All of this stuff is building towards the foundation of what the 2020s will be


I don't really see that.

By what I have seen, 2018 seems to have some changes, but not enough to make any of them shifts.

I don't really see that.

By what I have seen, 2018 seems to have some changes, but not enough to make any of them shifts.


You mean the things building or what I posted in gen

For the most part things have been building since the day Trump got elected


- Emo rap,  XXX death, Mac Millers death ( he isn't emo rap)
the genre will prob peak next year

-  Emo/pop punk  underground movement
Has been brewing for some time with nights like EMO NITE in areas of LA and NY, only time will tell
but it looks like its growing by every month.

Death of Hipster
Already listed tons of articles on why, Portlandia a show about Hipsters is ending because the
culture is on the decline.


Decline of Facebook
#Delete Facebook and all the privacy concerns going on.

mee too derailed
The whole thing with that woman actor really derailed the movement, I forget her name.

Decline  of Post apocalyptic shows in favor of Camp
Steven King's IT,  Stranger things

Return of Sitcoms 
TGIF is back October 5th by the way,  Fuller House , One day at a time, Kevin cant wait



All of this stuff is building towards the foundation of what the 2020s will be


I think all of these things define the late 2010s and aren't indications of what the next decade will bring.  I also still don't agree that we are experiencing a pop-punk revival.  Maybe 2019 will be the year it finally happens.

I do agree with the rest of what you posted, but as I said this is all late 2010s culture.  Especially stuff like #MeToo, #DeleteFacebook, and the decline of hipster culture.  All of those tie directly in with the Trump Presidency.

I think all of these things define the late 2010s and aren't indications of what the next decade will bring.  I also still don't agree that we are experiencing a pop-punk revival.  Maybe 2019 will be the year it finally happens.

I do agree with the rest of what you posted, but as I said this is all late 2010s culture.  Especially stuff like #MeToo, #DeleteFacebook, and the decline of hipster culture.  All of those tie directly in with the Trump Presidency.


I don't see the pop-punk revival happening.

There's just not enough proof or evidence of it being heard of.

I don't see the pop-punk revival happening.

There's just not enough proof or evidence of it being heard of.


Yeah it's mostly just one poster on this site that repeatedly says that it's happening or about to.

One of the great things about the Internet era is you are no longer tied to the monoculture and genres that have fallen out of mainstream favorability, like pop punk for instance, can still enjoy very vibrant, accessible underground scenes.  This is a great time for European trance for instance but I'm not going to try to say that the genre is as popular as it was in the 90s/early 2000s.

I think it's more likely that Emo rap eventually evolves into its own thing than for pop punk to fully comeback. Nowadays the term emo rap is a lot more inclusive so I wonder if the label will eventually get replaced.

Now that the thread has completely drifted away from the original subject and mostly headed towards another discussion about how revolutionnary, shifting and 2020s-defining 2018 is since several posts, shouldn't this thread be closed?

As has been mentioned already, athleisure has been around since the mid-2010s, but it is definitely getting more popular. One thing I noticed when I went to the UK was athelisure was 10x more popular there than here, which is ironic for us, being the birthplace of the designer yoga pants and all ;D

But what I also noticed that it was mostly the lower class areas/chavs that went all in on athleisure. I think it will be associated with lousy dressers soon enough and it could fall out of fashion pretty quickly. It will probably stick around in the early 2020s, but I'm unsure about its enduring popularity. OTOH, it's super comfortable and it looks good, which is a good recipe for it to last a long time.

Now that the thread has completely drifted away from the original subject and mostly headed towards another discussion about how revolutionnary, shifting and 2020s-defining 2018 is since several posts, shouldn't this thread be closed?


Um..... No, it should not.



As has been mentioned already, athleisure has been around since the mid-2010s, but it is definitely getting more popular. One thing I noticed when I went to the UK was athelisure was 10x more popular there than here, which is ironic for us, being the birthplace of the designer yoga pants and all ;D


Yep its similar to hows its evolved where I live in the Northeast United States. Athleisure wear started to get big in 2014-2015 with the rise in popularity for Joggers, Yoga Pants, Adidas hoodies, embrace for sneakers outside the common Nike brand like (Adidas, Puma, Under Armour, etc.), low rise track sneakers, etc. It also coincided with the rise in popularity for smartwatches, which allowed people to easily track how many calories they've burned, how many 'steps' they've taken, their BPM at any moment, among other related things.

However, 2014-2015 was the height of the hipster subculture, so that was mainly the thing that people tried to emulate in fashionable & lifestyle sense. Since 2016-2017 I've noticed that athleisure wear has started to steadily overtake the more hipster look, especially as health & fitness has become a lot more trendy in recent years (particularly, the rise in Instagram fitness models like Jen Selter, Joe Wicks, Priscilla Trindande, etc.). That along with people becoming more health conscious overall.

Also, I didn't know Yoga Pants were invented in Canada :o.Or are you referring to the North American Continent as a whole? ;D


But what I also noticed that it was mostly the lower class areas/chavs that went all in on athleisure. I think it will be associated with lousy dressers soon enough and it could fall out of fashion pretty quickly. It will probably stick around in the early 2020s, but I'm unsure about its enduring popularity. OTOH, it's super comfortable and it looks good, which is a good recipe for it to last a long time.

Thats pretty surprising actually. When the trend started get big in the mid 2010s, it was typically associated with the lazy people that claimed they went to the gym to sort of show off (similar to how it was stereotyped about girls whom wore Juicy Courture Suits in the mid-late 2000s ;D). However, within the last couple of years its become a lot more stylish to be into fitness. Thus, at least where I live in the NYC area, someone who dresses in athleisure wear is now seen as someone associated with up-scale former hipsters who could afford to wear the most stylish brands. Brands like FILA, Champion, Under Armour, Gucci, etc. This also coincided with the rise in popularity of 'Street Fashion' like Supreme & 'Fast Fashion' like Pac Sun.

Just take a look at many famous models & celebrities rocking this new look and you'd see what I mean:


http://static1.squarespace.com/static/598a0033be42d699defd2416/598a00ab17bffc79a0b8d2fb/598a01071e5b6cbabc95e44e/1502312788055/gigi-bella-hadid-athleisure.jpg?format=1000w

https://onpointfresh.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/athleisure-outfits-2.png

https://www.clarkandstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Ceta-4.17.17-3-6-copyWhat-I-Wear-To-The-Gym-Athleisure-Staples-Ceta-Walters-Standing.jpeg

https://cdn.cliqueinc.com/cache/posts/194898/celebrity-athleisure-workout-brands-194898-1521776695433-image.700x0c.jpg

https://menshealthindia.s3.ap-south-1.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/styles/1200x706/public/befunky-collage-5.jpg?itok=WtJzdAXg


A lot of these photoshoots took place in 2017 & 2018 respectively.

There's this quote from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athleisure



Athleisure clothing frequently uses accents of brightly-colored fabric against a dark background.
Reports in USA Today and The Wall Street Journal describe the athleisure market as growing, displacing typical workwear styles, and cutting in to sales of jeans, with a market size in 2014 as $35 billion, representing an 8% increase from the previous year. According to one estimate, the athleisure market, including footwear, was $270 billion in 2016, and was estimated to grow by 30% by the year 2020.


Along with this recent article discussing the popular high end brands that celebrities are popularizing:

https://www.whowhatwear.com/celebrity-athleisure-workout-brands/slide2

Just further proof that this trend is definitely a lot more high key & massively popular than it ever was in the mid 2010s.