Back in December 2017, a user on Reddit named "AskMeAnyQuestionss" did a survey about the start of Generations Y and Z. 189 people completed the survey from its start on December 19, 2017 until its end on June 1, 2018. Even though people born between 1980 and 2004 completed the survey, people born from 1995 to 2001 ("Shadow Millennials" according to ZeldaFan20) have their own individual data because those are the most common birthyears for Generation Z to commence.

Note: I do not own this survey, and I give complete credit to "AskMeAnyQuestionss" for making the survey. Please let me know your thoughts regarding AskMeAnyQuestionss' survey, and please do not start a flame war because if this thread gets locked, we will all be in trouble. The only reason why I posted this is because I thought that his survey was interesting in a sense that I could observe the perspectives of people born in various years.

1980-1984 combined: 18% Gen X and 82% Gen Y

Average year they think Y starts: 1982

Average year they think Z starts: 2000

1985-1989 combined: 7% Gen X and 93% Gen Y

Average year they think Y starts: 1983

Average year they think Z starts: 1998

1990-1994 combined: 96% Gen Y and 4% Gen Z

Average year they think Y starts: 1982

Average year they think Z starts: 1998

1995: 79% Gen Y and 21% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1982

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1998

1996: 58% Gen Y and 42% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1982

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1998

1997: 65% Gen Y and 35% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1982

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1998

1998: 19% Gen Y and 81% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1981

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1997

1999: 31% Gen Y and 69% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1982

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1999

1995-1999 combined: 50% Gen Y and 50% Gen Z (39 voters for each)

Average year they think Y starts: 1982

Average year they think Z starts: 1998

2000: 39% Gen Y and 61% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1981

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1999

2001: 13% Gen Y and 87% Gen Z

Average year they think Millennials start: 1981

Average year they think Gen Z starts: 1998

2002-2004 combined: 16% Gen Y and 84% Gen Z

Average year they think Y starts: 1982

Average year they think Z starts: 1998

Here is the link for those who want to see it on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/SampleSize/comments/8vem19/results_what_do_you_consider_the_millennial_and/

I've seen this poll.
I do think the general consensus of the 1998 start date may be related to the fact that this survey was posted in December 2017, which was after BuzzFeed's video, but before Pew set the start date at 1997.
Most casuals didn't even know what "Generation Z" even was before BuzzFeed's video, so perhaps the consensus would've been closer to 2000 (when it should start IMO) had this survey been posted a few years beforehand since 1980-2000 was the general consensus for Millennials back then.

I've seen this thread.
I do think the general consensus of the 1998 start date may be related to the fact that this survey was posted in December 2017, which was after BuzzFeed's video, but before Pew set the start date at 1997.
Most casuals didn't even know what "Generation Z" even was before BuzzFeed's video, so perhaps the consensus would've been closer to 2000 (when it should start IMO) had this survey been posted a few years beforehand.


Before March 2018 (when Pew set the Gen Z start year to 1997), Pew "grabbed" anyone who was 18 to 34 during a certain year and called them Millennials. In 2017, that would have consisted of people born between 1983 and 1999.

Apparently, Pew has used cutoff years for Millennials to be as early as 1992 and as late as 1999:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/01/millennials-defined/386562002/

I've seen this poll.
I do think the general consensus of the 1998 start date may be related to the fact that this survey was posted in December 2017, which was after BuzzFeed's video, but before Pew set the start date at 1997.
Most casuals didn't even know what "Generation Z" even was before BuzzFeed's video, so perhaps the consensus would've been closer to 2000 (when it should start IMO) had this survey been posted a few years beforehand since 1980-2000 was the general consensus for Millennials back then.


Back then, generations were usually about 18-21 years long. Even as late as 2013, I would see a lot of articles that stated that Millennials were 1980-2000 and that Gen Zers were 2001+ (Time Magazine, MTV, NPR).

Based on this knowledge, Gen Z in 2018 is the same age as Millennials were in 1997-2000.

In more recent times, generation spans (post-Boomer generations) seem to be 15 or 16 years long. Today, Millennials are usually seen as being 1980-1994 or 1981-1996 and Gen Z is usually seen as being 1995-2009 or 1997+.

Based on this knowledge, Gen Z in 2018 is the same age as Millennials were in 2002 or 2003.

This could be the main reason why people born between 1995-2001 are confused about what generation they belong to. In the past, generations used to be 20 or 21 years long, whereas nowadays they are 15 or 16 years long.

I'd say those survey results are pretty accurate. Putting aside a hard cutoff, early 80s to late 90s (not mid 90s) just sounds intuitively correct.

Glad to know my birthyear is still a complete struggle to accurately tag 8)

It seems like ages 18-34 have always constituted the 'young adult' demographic, so it's not unique to discussions about Millennials. Apply that cohort to the year that feels like the 'culmination' of the Millennial era... 2016 makes the most sense IMO, but you could argue for a year or two in either direction. The resultant range is, what do you know, 1982-1998.

I know these topics are always subjective and that not every single person born in x year will identify with the same generation, but I also believe that these generational definitions can be pinpointed within a 3-year accuracy on either end. To me, Millennials are most definitely 1981-1983 to 1997-2000... the cultural early 80s to the cultural late 90s.

It seems like ages 18-34 have always constituted the 'young adult' demographic, so it's not unique to discussions about Millennials. Apply that cohort to the year that feels like the 'culmination' of the Millennial era... 2016 makes the most sense IMO, but you could argue for a year or two in either direction. The resultant range is, what do you know, 1982-1998.

I know these topics are always subjective and that not every single person born in x year will identify with the same generation, but I also believe that these generational definitions can be pinpointed within a 3-year accuracy on either end. To me, Millennials are most definitely 1981-1983 to 1997-2000... the cultural early 80s to the cultural late 90s.


Even '98 being a millennial year doesn't sound right tho. Jaden Smith, XXXTentacion, Lil Skies, and Chloe Bailey, are arguably the face of Gen Z in pop culture rn. Like I said, pop culture is the best way to see where generational gaps start and finish.

Drake, J Cole, Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, Taylor Swift, and Rihanna are all solidly Millennial, but they have big Gen Z followings too.

XXXTentacion, Jaden Smith, Tripple Redd, Billie Ellish, Chloe x Halle, Lil Pump, Lil Skies, etc. are decisively different from their predecessors. It wouldn't make sense to claim them as millennial pop culture. With that being said, Zed culture has just started... analyzing it would be the equivalent of discussing millennial pop culture in the early 2000s.

Even '98 being a millennial year doesn't sound right tho. Jaden Smith, XXXTentacion, Lil Skies, and Chloe Bailey, are arguably the face of Gen Z in pop culture rn. Like I said, pop culture is the best way to see where generational gaps start and finish.

Drake, J Cole, Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, Taylor Swift, and Rihanna are all solidly Millennial, but they have big Gen Z followings too.

XXXTentacion, Jaden Smith, Tripple Redd, Billie Ellish, Chloe x Halle, Lil Pump, Lil Skies, etc. are decisively different from their predecessors. It wouldn't make sense to claim them as millennial pop culture. With that being said, Zed culture has just started... analyzing it would be the equivalent of discussing millennial pop culture in the early 2000s.


Not really. Millennial culture started in around 1997 and took full effect by 1999.

Not really. Millennial culture started in around 1997 and took full effect by 1999.


Okay so it would be more like discussing Millennial culture in the late 90s, increasingly big, but not the standard.

It seems like ages 18-34 have always constituted the 'young adult' demographic, so it's not unique to discussions about Millennials. Apply that cohort to the year that feels like the 'culmination' of the Millennial era... 2016 makes the most sense IMO, but you could argue for a year or two in either direction. The resultant range is, what do you know, 1982-1998.

I know these topics are always subjective and that not every single person born in x year will identify with the same generation, but I also believe that these generational definitions can be pinpointed within a 3-year accuracy on either end. To me, Millennials are most definitely 1981-1983 to 1997-2000... the cultural early 80s to the cultural late 90s.


It's kind of bizarre to lump 1999 with 2010's births, especially for the fact that they were still born in the 90's.

It's kind of bizarre to lump 1999 with 2010's births, especially for the fact that they were still born in the 90's.


True, but 99 borns are far more similar to early 00s babies than they are to early 90s babies, not to mention the difference with 80s babies. Rounding up to 2000 wouldn't be a good enough reason to start the demographic.

Okay so it would be more like discussing Millennial culture in the late 90s, increasingly big, but not the standard.


I would agree. This year seems to be the year where Gen Z finally gets their identity.

Even 2017 still feels somewhat Millennial if you look at it closely - "Millennial pink", the second peak year of the SJW vs. Alt-right drama (Berkeley, Portland train attack, Charlottesville), Pew not really defining Gen Z yet (they still went by the idea that Millennials meant 18-34 year olds), hipster glasses still being "en vogue" despite declining, very little 2000's nostalgia (2018 seems to be the first year with any legit 2000's nostalgia), many shows integral to 2010's culture still being on air (and arguably filming episodes), tide pods weren't this "evil thing that kids eat", etc.

True, but 99 borns are far more similar to early 00s babies than they are to early 90s babies, not to mention the difference with 80s babies. Rounding up to 2000 wouldn't be a good enough reason to start the demographic.


I like SeaCaptainMan97's idea of splitting generations into twos, like his thought about 1982-1990 being "Millennials" and 1991-1999 being "Centennials".

I'd say the cutoff birth year between Generation Y and Z is 1997, plus or minus one year. One of the earliest things that distinguish Gen Z from Y is not yet being born before or having no memory of 9/11/2001. Another is they were children during the Great Recession while their parents struggled, and majority of Millennials were entering the workforce during that time. Another is having technology and access to information from an early age. Most Millennials can remember the world before the Internet, but had it during their teenage years including MySpace, FB, Youtube, etc.

I'd say the cutoff birth year between Generation Y and Z is 1997, plus or minus one year. One of the earliest things that distinguish Gen Z from Y is not yet being born before or having no memory of 9/11/2001. Another is they were children during the Great Recession while their parents struggled, and majority of Millennials were entering the workforce during that time. Another is having technology and access to information from an early age. Most Millennials can remember the world before the Internet, but had it during their teenage years including MySpace, FB, Youtube, etc.


Your whole opinion is probably why Pew made Gen Z start in 1997.

Even '98 being a millennial year doesn't sound right tho. Jaden Smith, XXXTentacion, Lil Skies, and Chloe Bailey, are arguably the face of Gen Z in pop culture rn. Like I said, pop culture is the best way to see where generational gaps start and finish.

But then you have people like Adam Levine and Ryan Tedder born in 1979 whose bands (Maroon 5 and OneRepublic, respectively) are quintessentially Millennial. These days, 1979 is pretty much always considered an X year (which was definitely not the case 20-25 years ago) when it along with 1980 are the quintessential cusp years. This is why I think 1999/2000, true cusp years, will eventually get lumped in with the Millennial generation once core Zers enter their 20s. Most people don’t realize this, but quintessential Gen Z will eventually be seen as 2006-2008 or so. By that point, people born in the late 90s will be readily distinguishable from that cohort.

But then you have people like Adam Levine and Ryan Tedder born in 1979 whose bands (Maroon 5 and OneRepublic, respectively) are quintessentially Millennial. These days, 1979 is pretty much always considered an X year (which was definitely not the case 20-25 years ago) when it along with 1980 are the quintessential cusp years. This is why I think 1999/2000, true cusp years, will eventually get lumped in with the Millennial generation once core Zers enter their 20s. Most people don’t realize this, but quintessential Gen Z will eventually be seen as 2006-2008 or so. By that point, people born in the late 90s will be readily distinguishable from that cohort.

We'll see in the future. I personally think the 1997 cutoff between Millennials and Gen Z will probably stick. Before enough was known about the generations, they used to say Millennials (back when they were called Gen Y, Echo Boomers, Net Generation, and a whole mess of other names) were 1977-2000 and 1982-2004 and stuff like that, but after more research has been done, they're cutting it down to shorter more precise lengths.

Also, making media loved by a below generation doesn't necessarily make you a part of that generation. The Beatles were Silents who were entertaining Boomers.

We'll see in the future. I personally think the 1997 cutoff between Millennials and Gen Z will probably stick. Before enough was known about the generations, they used to say Millennials (back when they were called Gen Y, Echo Boomers, Net Generation, and a whole mess of other names) were 1977-2000 and 1982-2004 and stuff like that, but after more research has been done, they're cutting it down to shorter more precise lengths.

Also, making media loved by a below generation doesn't necessarily make you a part of that generation. The Beatles were Silents who were entertaining Boomers.


Everything, especially technology, is changing very fast now.

But then you have people like Adam Levine and Ryan Tedder born in 1979 whose bands (Maroon 5 and OneRepublic, respectively) are quintessentially Millennial. These days, 1979 is pretty much always considered an X year (which was definitely not the case 20-25 years ago) when it along with 1980 are the quintessential cusp years. This is why I think 1999/2000, true cusp years, will eventually get lumped in with the Millennial generation once core Zers enter their 20s. Most people don’t realize this, but quintessential Gen Z will eventually be seen as 2006-2008 or so. By that point, people born in the late 90s will be readily distinguishable from that cohort.


I kind of have that feeling too.

We'll see in the future. I personally think the 1997 cutoff between Millennials and Gen Z will probably stick. Before enough was known about the generations, they used to say Millennials (back when they were called Gen Y, Echo Boomers, Net Generation, and a whole mess of other names) were 1977-2000 and 1982-2004 and stuff like that, but after more research has been done, they're cutting it down to shorter more precise lengths.

Also, making media loved by a below generation doesn't necessarily make you a part of that generation. The Beatles were Silents who were entertaining Boomers.


In regards to hard cutoffs, this is what I posted in another thread:

Anyways, I generally agree. I think marketers place too much emphasis on strict cutoff dates. Many regular folk also do the same thing. Overall, to place too much emphasis on events like Y2K or 9/11 is a bit inaccurate. While those two events were pretty, similar to how the Cuban Missile Crisis & JFK’s Assassination were to Boommers, it doesn’t mean that one has to remember those two events to be considered part of that generation. In fact; there’s a category in the Boomer generation called Generation Jones or the ‘Shadow Boomers’ born circa 1959-1964 whom may not remember the JFK assassination, could still remember many other watershed moments pertaining to Boomers like the RFK/MLK assassinations, the Vietnam War, The Landing of the Moon, Beatlemania, & The Watergate Scandal, to name a few.

The same can be said for Millennials; while there is a lot of evidence in claiming that those born in 1994 are the last to objectively be apart of the ‘Core’ of the Millennial generation due to being the last to have been born in the first half of the 1990s, in mandatory schooling during Y2K /Dawn of the New Millennium along with the last to have been in mandatory school in the 90s, the last to have their entire core childhood in 2004 prior before Z childhood trends started to emerge/during the Web 1.0 Era, the last to become teens in 2007 when 2000s cultural was still at its peak, the last to graduate high school in 2012 prior to Z influences starting to get big, & the last to vote for Obama in 2012’ and or those born in 1996 due to them being the last to have been born in the mid 1990s/during Clinton’s 1st term, the last to have been in pre-school in the 1990s & potentially being able to remember Y2K, the last to have been in mandatory schooling during 9/11 (I’d say 60%-70% remember it but location and personal relation to the attack’s matters; in my area of the NYC metropolitan area it would be closer to like 80%-90%), last to spend most of their core childhood in 2004 & before during the late Y era of Kid culture/during the Web 1.0 Era, the very last to have been teenagers in the 2000s, the last to graduate high school in the first half of the 2010s & spend most of their high school years in the early 2010s, & finally the last to have voted in the 2014 Midterms which is devoid of Trump being in politics (& thank God for that, things were a lot more civil back then :\'().

However, as stated before, those born after 1994 or 1996 upto about (for arguments sake) 2000 are still Millennials, but what I would call them are ‘Shadow Millennials’. They may not (or very little) remember Y2K or 9/11, but they still certainly remember The Controversial Iraq War, Hurricaine Katrina, The Late 2000s Oil Shock, The Great Recession, & ‘Obama mania’, to name a few, that were all cultural watershed moments for the Millennial Generation. If you remember all of these events vividly, along with spending most of your childhood years prior to 2008, & teenaged/youth years (Youth being ages 9-24 roughly) before 2016, than I’d say you’re a Millennial, definitely. Core Millennials are moreso people born in the Late 80s-Early 90s (& mid 80s & mid 90s to some extent) whom remember all of these events in great detail. Core Millennials are essentially those in their early/mid 20s-early 30s as of now. Older Millennials (or Xennials) are those in their mid 30s as of now, and ‘Shadow Millennials’ are those in their late teens/early 20s as of now or essentially the bulk of the current college aged population.

So overall, Perhaps marketers/sociologists are onto something. However, I'd still argue overall from a cultural, technological, political, & demographic standpoint that the Millennial generation should extend to 2000. You can make the argument of the so called Y/Z divide in 1996/1997, just being the Core or (more accurately) Post Core Millennial/'Shadow Millennial Divide in respect to 1996/1997 babies. Generations are fluid at the end of the day; and even though I agree that certain years may lean more to one than the other, I don't believe that things just abruptly change. Hence why Late 90s babies always feel in a very complicated place.

But then you have people like Adam Levine and Ryan Tedder born in 1979 whose bands (Maroon 5 and OneRepublic, respectively) are quintessentially Millennial. These days, 1979 is pretty much always considered an X year (which was definitely not the case 20-25 years ago) when it along with 1980 are the quintessential cusp years.

The difference between Adam Levine and XXXTentacion/Jaden Smith (just to name a few) is how well they resonate with Gen Z. X and Jaden's audiences are almost exclusively Gen Z, and they are universally considered the newest generation in hip hop. As more and more 2000s babies blow up, we're beginning to see that late 90s and early 00s babies are moving as one. Lil Pump (00), Lil Mosey (02), Tay-K (00), Splurge (03), Bhad Bhabie (03) etc. are pretty much indistinguishable from their late 90s counterparts.

Maroon 5 is a pop band, their audience consists of people of all ages. Adam Levine as an artist really doesn't resonate with millennials as well as X, Lil Yachty and others do with Gen Z.

This is why I think 1999/2000, true cusp years, will eventually get lumped in with the Millennial generation once core Zers enter their 20s. Most people don’t realize this, but quintessential Gen Z will eventually be seen as 2006-2008 or so. By that point, people born in the late 90s will be readily distinguishable from that cohort.


I think it's far too early to say what is core Gen Z. What is certain is that Gen Z is the post-millennial generation, and that they were far too young to understand the financial crisis in the late 00s as it happened. I could see people in the future exclude 00-96 from Gen Z, but only because the illusion of having your birth year show up as 199X vs 2001+... but demographers generally aren't like that, so I think the cutoff year will definitely not be 2000.

The difference between Adam Levine and XXXTentacion/Jaden Smith (just to name a few) is how well they resonate with Gen Z. X and Jaden's audiences are almost exclusively Gen Z, and they are universally considered the newest generation in hip hop. As more and more 2000s babies blow up, we're beginning to see that late 90s and early 00s babies are moving as one. Lil Pump (00), Lil Mosey (02), Tay-K (00), Splurge (03), Bhad Bhabie (03) etc. are pretty much indistinguishable from their late 90s counterparts.


I've never heard of these guys in my life ;D. All I can say is that, if you were to ask most 1990s babies be it early, mid, or late, they'd at the very least would've heard of guys like X, Jaden Smith (well thats a no brainer, he's been big for two decades.... hence why I struggle to see why'd you put him in the 'distinguishable Z audience' cohort, but to each his own), Lil Yachty, etc. but I don't know anybody my age that has really listened to any music produced by guys born after 1999. I think it has to do with early 00s babies still being VERY young.

I never went to school with kids born after 1999 (unless you count a brief time in elementary school when I was in 4th/5th grade, but I don't really remember interacting with them), so I'll take your word for it in the sense that Late 90s trap artists are similar to Early 00s trap artists. But at the same time, the mere fact that most Millennials would know who people like X or Yachty (but they'd likely not vibe much with their music) proves the point that Encorder was trying to make (and one I agree with) was that their audiences are not exclusively Z. Primarily Z, yes, exclusively Z, no. And yes, Late 90s babies are similar to Late 70s babies in that aspect, I'd argue that they're either VERY Late Millennials or The Epitome of the Y/Z Cusp.

So as an example; artists like X or Yachty were/are more Z in character than many of friends born in 1997/1998. Most people I know in real life born in the late 90s strike me as either VERY Late Millennials or just VERY Cuspy. Heck one of my boys (born in 98) jokingly said while me and my friend group were plastered late at night that "We're all Millennials, RIGHT!? We can Keep Going For the Night Bros!!!" ;D.



Maroon 5 is a pop band, their audience consists of people of all ages. Adam Levine as an artist really doesn't resonate with millennials as well as X, Lil Yachty and others do with Gen Z.

I don't think the genre of music really matters. Maroon 5's target audience began with core-late Gen Xers when they were previously known as Kara's Flowers. However, over the years they became VERY big with Millennials, especially after they became what we know them today as Maroon 5. They were arguably at their peak in popularity between 2002 & 2016, aka between their Freshman album Songs About Jane and their second most recent album V. That was when Millennials were mainly in their youth, the Late 1990s, 2000s, & Early (& mid) 2010s. Yet the artists themselves are mainly Late Xers & X/Y Cuspers.

I've never heard of these guys in my life ;D. All I can say is that, if you were to ask most 1990s babies be it early, mid, or late, they'd at the very least would've heard of guys like X, Jaden Smith (well thats a no brainer, he's been big for two decades.... hence why I struggle to see why'd you put him in the 'distinguishable Z audience' cohort, but to each his own), Lil Yachty, etc. but I don't know anybody my age that has really listened to any music produced by guys born after 1999. I think it has to do with early 00s babies still being VERY young.

I never went to school with kids born after 1999 (unless you count a brief time in elementary school when I was in 4th/5th grade, but I don't really remember interacting with them), so I'll take your word for it in the sense that Late 90s trap artists are similar to Early 00s trap artists. But at the same time, the mere fact that most Millennials would know who people like X or Yachty (but they'd likely not vibe much with their music) proves the point that Encorder was trying to make (and one I agree with) was that their audiences are not exclusively Z. Primarily Z, yes, exclusively Z, no. And yes, Late 90s babies are similar to Late 70s babies in that aspect, I'd argue that they're either VERY Late Millennials or The Epitome of the Y/Z Cusp.

So as an example; artists like X or Yachty were/are more Z in character than many of friends born in 1997/1998. Most people I know in real life born in the late 90s strike me as either VERY Late Millennials or just VERY Cuspy. Heck one of my boys (born in 98) jokingly said while me and my friend group were plastered late at night that "We're all Millennials, RIGHT!? We can Keep Going For the Night Bros!!!" ;D.



I don't think the genre of music really matters. Maroon 5's target audience began with core-late Gen Xers when they were previously known as Kara's Flowers. However, over the years they became VERY big with Millennials, especially after they became what we know them today as Maroon 5. They were arguably at their peak in popularity between 2002 & 2016, aka between their Freshman album Songs About Jane and their second most recent album V. That was when Millennials were mainly in their youth, the Late 1990s, 2000s, & Early (& mid) 2010s. Yet the artists themselves are mainly Late Xers & X/Y Cuspers.


I agree. One individual born in 1999 may be seen as more Millennial, whereas another individual born in 1999 may be seen as more Gen Z.

I also have a feeling that January 1997 - February 2018 will probably eventually be seen as the Y age overtime once late 90's borns are considered Millennials - a time after Spice Girls arrived in the US but also a time before the Parkland shooting

1997-1999 borns are definitely Y/Z cuspers or at the very least Late Millennials or Centennials like SeaCaptainMan97 has said.

Depending on the person, one will feel more Gen Y or Gen Z.

The difference between Adam Levine and XXXTentacion/Jaden Smith (just to name a few) is how well they resonate with Gen Z. X and Jaden's audiences are almost exclusively Gen Z, and they are universally considered the newest generation in hip hop. As more and more 2000s babies blow up, we're beginning to see that late 90s and early 00s babies are moving as one. Lil Pump (00), Lil Mosey (02), Tay-K (00), Splurge (03), Bhad Bhabie (03) etc. are pretty much indistinguishable from their late 90s counterparts.

Maroon 5 is a pop band, their audience consists of people of all ages. Adam Levine as an artist really doesn't resonate with millennials as well as X, Lil Yachty and others do with Gen Z.

I think it's far too early to say what is core Gen Z. What is certain is that Gen Z is the post-millennial generation, and that they were far too young to understand the financial crisis in the late 00s as it happened. I could see people in the future exclude 00-96 from Gen Z, but only because the illusion of having your birth year show up as 199X vs 2001+... but demographers generally aren't like that, so I think the cutoff year will definitely not be 2000.


Also, on the topic of modern Hip Hop, I just stumbled upon this video:


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Thoughts?



I agree. One individual born in 1999 may be seen as more Millennial, whereas another individual born in 1999 may be seen as more Gen Z.

I also have a feeling that January 1997 - February 2018 will probably eventually be seen as the Y age overtime once late 90's borns are considered Millennials - a time after Spice Girls arrived in the US but also a time before the Parkland shooting


I agree. The 2000s were the peak of Millennial Culture, no doubt. 1997-2016 is closer to what I would see as the Millennial Era down the line.



1997-1999 are definitely Y/Z cuspers or at the very least Late Millennials or Centennials like SeaCaptainMan97 has said.

Depending on the person, one will feel more Gen Y or Gen Z.


Facts. And thats the end of this convo ;D inb4 you or one of the other mods lock this thread ;D

Another thing, just watch this video and tell that I'm apart of the same generation as these kids.

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Are you kidding me? I wanted to kill myself when that boy said "Oh Fortnite!" ::).

Unpopular opinion, but I do think people born between 1997-1999 and people born between 2007-2009 are apart of the same generation. Just because the latter may use phrases or know newer trends that the former isn't familiar with doesn't mean anything. How is someone born in the late 90's going to share a lot in common with someone born in say 2009 who is still in their single digits? You guys are still young as hell. Of course, you're not going to feel like the same generation as someone born in the late 2000's, not right now. I know couples in real life who are 10 years apart and they can relate just fine because they're older and what they grew up with during their childhood or teenage years or whatever doesn't mean sh!t.

Not to be ageist, but it's always the mid-late 90's borns that try and distance themselves from people born in the mid-late 2000's when the truth is they are not that different and they're just in different life stages. In fact, a lot of people I've met in person born between 1996-1999 that don't post on forums actually have surprisingly so many Gen Z characteristics that it would even be difficult to consider them a Y/Z cusp.

Another thing, just watch this video and tell that I'm apart of the same generation as these kids.

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Are you kidding me? I wanted to kill myself when that boy said "Oh Fortnite!" ::).

Teens react is just way better than Kids react in general ;D

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2000s borns reacting to the music of their birth decade is dope sh!t to watch in particular 8)

I've never heard of these guys in my life ;D. All I can say is that, if you were to ask most 1990s babies be it early, mid, or late, they'd at the very least would've heard of guys like X, Jaden Smith (well thats a no brainer, he's been big for two decades.... hence why I struggle to see why'd you put him in the 'distinguishable Z audience' cohort, but to each his own), Lil Yachty, etc. but I don't know anybody my age that has really listened to any music produced by guys born after 1999. I think it has to do with early 00s babies still being VERY young.

My point is not so much a generational gap in audiences, but more in the artists themselves and who they represent. In Hip Hop, there's already a strong generation gap between 80s babies and late 90s babies. This is indisputable. We saw this best when J Cole (born in 1985) dropped 1985 from his KOD album. The response to that was the song below.. Btw YBN Cordae was born in '97.

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So as an example; artists like X or Yachty were/are more Z in character than many of friends born in 1997/1998. Most people I know in real life born in the late 90s strike me as either VERY Late Millennials or just VERY Cuspy. Heck one of my boys (born in 98) jokingly said while me and my friend group were plastered late at night that "We're all Millennials, RIGHT!? We can Keep Going For the Night Bros!!!" ;D.

I know 15 year olds that call themselves millennials lol. My mom grew up thinking she was a boomer until the early 90s when she saw that she was mad different from the older crop of people. Pop culture will have that effect on ppl...

Teens react is just way better than Kids react in general ;D

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2000s borns reacting to the music of their birth decade is dope sh!t to watch in particular 8)

2000s music is awesome.

Unpopular opinion, but I do think people born between 1997-1999 and people born between 2007-2009 are apart of the same generation. Just because the latter may use phrases or know newer trends that the former isn't familiar with doesn't mean anything. How is someone born in the late 90's going to share a lot in common with someone born in say 2009 who is still in their single digits? You guys are still young as hell. Of course, you're not going to feel like the same generation as someone born in the late 2000's, not right now. I know couples in real life who are 10 years apart and they can relate just fine because they're older and what they grew up with during their childhood or teenage years or whatever doesn't mean sh!t.

Not to be ageist, but it's always the mid-late 90's borns that try and distance themselves from people born in the mid-late 2000's when the truth is they are not that different and they're just in different life stages. In fact, a lot of people I've met in person born between 1996-1999 that don't post on forums actually have surprisingly so many Gen Z characteristics that it would even be difficult to consider them a Y/Z cusp.

i agree.

Unpopular opinion, but I do think people born between 1997-1999 and people born between 2007-2009 are apart of the same generation. Just because the latter may use phrases or know newer trends that the former isn't familiar with doesn't mean anything. How is someone born in the late 90's going to share a lot in common with someone born in say 2009 who is still in their single digits? You guys are still young as hell. Of course, you're not going to feel like the same generation as someone born in the late 2000's, not right now. I know couples in real life who are 10 years apart and they can relate just fine because they're older and what they grew up with during their childhood or teenage years or whatever doesn't mean sh!t.

Not to be ageist, but it's always the mid-late 90's borns that try and distance themselves from people born in the mid-late 2000's when the truth is they are not that different and they're just in different life stages. In fact, a lot of people I've met in person born between 1996-1999 that don't post on forums actually have surprisingly so many Gen Z characteristics that it would even be difficult to consider them a Y/Z cusp.

No way. I would definitely say that I have more in common with late '80s borns than late '00s borns.

Maybe, you as 2002 born can relate to a late '00s born better but most late '90s borns would not agree with you.

Teens react is just way better than Kids react in general ;D

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2000s borns reacting to the music of their birth decade is dope sh!t to watch in particular 8)

Only slightly. A lot of the teens of Teens React are some of the most sheltered people I have ever seen.

It's like they grew up under a rock. They don't know popular music from their childhood or they say "It sounds familiar but I don't know the name or I don't know it".

Just watch at this new video:
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No way. I would definitely say that I have more in common with late '80s borns than late '00s borns.

I mean that comparison is pretty moot to make here because like Rainbowz already pointed out;
late 80s borns = adults
You = adult
late 2000s borns = only kids yet
Right now, it's easier to say which group you have more in common with when you share an age group, but it's really down the line that you would really notice the similarities and therefore maybe "relate better" when the latter group would also come of age.

Personally, I relate far better to early 00s borns than mid 90s ones (mostly due to poor experiences with the latter group), while of course I can't relate much to mid-late 00s due to age group differences but that's not something to give up on yet. When I will be 29, someone born in 2006 would also be in their 20s at the same time therefore much broader perspective of "relating to" than right now when they're mostly 12.

Only slightly. A lot of the teens of Teens React are some of the most sheltered people I have ever seen.

It's like they grew up under a rock. They don't know popular music from their childhood or they say "It sounds familiar but I don't know the name or I don't know it".

Just watch at this new video:
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I mean it's alright in this case. I too for instance didn't know who OutKast were until I checked them out more in detail a few years back despite hearing "Hey Yah" repeatedly since a young age for example. It's kind of cute and fun to watch them struggling to remember names and stuff ;D
It's definitely better than watching mid-late 90s borns not knowing what a flip phone is (*shudders at remembering that Buzzfeed video*)

Edit: Also I just got an ad using "Hey Yah" in it :o :o :o

I mean that comparison is pretty moot to make here because like Rainbowz already pointed out;
late 80s borns = adults
You = adult
late 2000s borns = only kids yet
Right now, it's easier to say which group you have more in common with when you share an age group, but it's really down the line that you would really notice the similarities and therefore maybe "relate better" when the latter group would also come of age.

Personally, I relate far better to early 00s borns than mid 90s ones (mostly due to poor experiences with the latter group), while of course I can't relate much to mid-late 00s due to age group differences but that's not something to give up on yet. When I will be 29, someone born in 2006 would also be in their 20s at the same time therefore much broader perspective of "relating to" than right now when they're mostly 12.

Well, it's not just that late '00s borns are still kids. It's that there is a larger gap in growing up in the 1990s vs 2000s and growing up in the 2000s vs now.

*Late '80s borns grew up from 1990-2001.
*Late '90s borns grew up from 2000-2011.
*Late '00s born are growing up from 2010 until 2021.

I couldn't be able to relate much to late '00s borns, even when they become adults.  What could I possibly relate to a 2008 born about growing up? Growing up I didn't have a smartphone unlike many of them have now. Most of my childhood shows they have never watched or have only watched the sequel/reboot. Most of them don't know 2000s music. Seriously what could I relate to them with?

Unpopular opinion, but I do think people born between 1997-1999 and people born between 2007-2009 are apart of the same generation. Just because the latter may use phrases or know newer trends that the former isn't familiar with doesn't mean anything. How is someone born in the late 90's going to share a lot in common with someone born in say 2009 who is still in their single digits? You guys are still young as hell. Of course, you're not going to feel like the same generation as someone born in the late 2000's, not right now. I know couples in real life who are 10 years apart and they can relate just fine because they're older and what they grew up with during their childhood or teenage years or whatever doesn't mean sh!t.

Not to be ageist, but it's always the mid-late 90's borns that try and distance themselves from people born in the mid-late 2000's when the truth is they are not that different and they're just in different life stages. In fact, a lot of people I've met in person born between 1996-1999 that don't post on forums actually have surprisingly so many Gen Z characteristics that it would even be difficult to consider them a Y/Z cusp.


Rainbows, no offense, but you're argumentation is a bit flawed & thus can't really speak for them. Any 10 year difference is going to be pretty significant, which ever direction you go, but of course as one ages that 10 year gap subsides. Many 80s babies distanced themselves from 90s babies because they "wEREN'T 90S KUDSSS..." (whatever that means :-\\). However, nowadays while you still have some ageist 80s babies that distance themselves from 90s babies, the differences aren't as strong as they once were, mainly because both sects of cohorts are now young adults (working, graduating from college/masters, planning for the future, getting married, etc.). So yeah, of course the difference between 90s & 00s babies will eventually subside & not seem as drastic, as more & more 00s babies get older. Heck, In all honesty I didn't really think much of you guys (take no offense) because I didn't really know anybody born after 2000 on a personal level unless it was family members or close family friends. In all honesty, and you can ask any 90s baby & they'd all (or close to it) would probably agree, but we all thought of you guys as still babies. Now that you guys are teenagers, heck you now strongly outnumber 90s babies as teen & starting next year no one born in the 1990s will be in high school (that of course is not taking account people that may had gotten left back), you seem a lot more relatable in a societal sense then even just a few years ago. And as more & more 00s babies turn 18 (and their 20s soon), that gap will begin to subside. So if that was what you meant in relation between Late 90s & Late 00s babies when it pertain to a 10 year difference, than I agree that it is silly to compare a college student to a middle school student when they are at two completely different life stages.

Now HOWEVER (& this is paramount to my overall point) if you're suggesting that because its a 10 year gap that all of a sudden means they are apart of the same generation (from the sociological level), than I'd respectfully disagree. I'm not trying to sound condescending, but just because Late 90s babies aren't that far off in age than you, doesn't make them more or less in the same sociological generation as yourself. The same 'personal' generation, sure! But from a sociological level, if you're going to cite one source that lists Generation Z as those born from 1995/1997-2010+, you can't just then simply ignore the other sources that list Millennials as those born from 1980/1982-1997/2000. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Rainbows, you have to acknowledge that when it pertains to generations that you can't just simply put a flag in the sand & declare that this cohort is apart of this generation, without ever even considering how that one particular cohort may feel about that. Sure, you may know a lot of people born in 1997-2000 that relate more to the Z label than the Millennial label, I'm not discarding that. But I also know a lot of people born in that same time frame that are more of a mixture of the two, some leaning more Millennial, others more Z, & the vast bulk being just a complete mixture of both sets of traits. And in all honesty, this coincides as to why marketers have a hard time pinning Late 90s babies.

Because Rainbows (and a few others on this thread), here is the reality; sure Late 90s babies may be still in tune with pop culture more noticeably than people born in the early & mid 90s, sure a lot of popular artists nowadays born in the late 90s are culturally distinct to their 80s/early-mid 90s brethren, Late 90s babies never had spent one day as a teenager in the 2000s, & finally Late 90s babies may not remember much of the 9/11 attacks.

But you know what; Most Late 90s babies (I'd bet if you asked them) remember the following; The Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, George W. Bush as POTUS (and how much respect we lost in the world stage back then, for the youngsters on here, he was essentially the 'Trump' of my day), The Great Recession (and because the effects raged on through the early-mid 2010s, they were the absolute youngest to be somewhat effected by it), Barack Obama becoming the first African-American POTUS, Michael Jackson's tragic death, the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, The Sandy Hook Shooting, & of course they vividly remember a time when many members of the LBGTQ community were massively discriminated against & in a world when gay marriage was still a hot political issue. Now thats just politics/world events.

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Thats not even to mention the many cultural things that make Late 90s babies more Millennial than you give credit to. When they were kids, they were the last to spend most of their core childhoods prior to the release of the original iPhone, which is technologically & socially huge. They also are the last to likely remember when Nickelodeon still had their iconic SPLAT Logo, the CN 'City Era' of Cartoon Network, the action block TOONAMI, the 6th generation of video game consoles (which if you want more info pertaining to that subject, check out my post about it on this: http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=58638.45, but to keep things short, since they were the last to spend most of their core childhoods in a world of local multiplayer, wired controllers, a more abundant amount of game genres, etc. that alone is pretty significant), among other trends. I also bet if you asked your average 97'-99' born person they'd also remember VHS tapes, people buying CDs, Mp3s (& the cultural significance that was the iPod), Tamogotchis/Neopets, Bop Its, Bionicle, Toy commercials for boys still having a bit of a 'Radical' or 'XTREME' edge to things, among other things. They can also vividly remember a time before social media & YouTube were king.


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Finally, Late 90s babies during their core 'youth' years (aka, ages 9-24) were in high school (the core of their youth) or ages 14-18, primarily before 2016. Now, enough time has passed & I think we can all agree that 2016 was a very pivotal year. However, not even from just a political standpoint, but even a pop cultural standpoint. Since 2017-2018, there has been a noticeably increase in Trap music, Latin Pop, & post Chainsmokers styled EDM that, while not that significant from the mid 2010s, does make the early 2010s look more dated in comparison. However, time will utlimately tell, but I genuinly feel, especially since 2018 has began, that we are now comfortably in the era of Z pop culture. Which leads me back to the original point of this thread; is it true that a lot of Late 90s babies may be either influenced pop culturally & or pioneering the current pop culture for the crux of Gen Z at this point....? Yes. But, does that make any more Gen Z than someone born in 1993 or 1994 (lets say someone like Chance or Lil Uzi Vert) whom may also be influenced by or pioneering this new culture? You may have a different answer, but my answer is no. Objectively, it is just a fact that when you look at how conflicted grouping Late 90s babies (& to a lesser extent 1995-96' & 2000-01' babies) are to either Gen Y or Gen Z, that because of the confusion, Late 90s babies are the epitome of the Gen Y/Z cusp. However, my subjective opinion is that, while they aren't as core (or solidly) Millennial in life experiences as someone born in 1996 & prior, that doesn't automatically make them Gen Z. And the mere fact that they spent most of their childhoods prior to the iPhone & the Great Recession in 2007-2008 and their youthful periods prior to 2016 with the election Donald Trump & subsequent rise in Z pop culture, is why I'd say they lean more towards Millennials than Gen Zers. At the end of the day, I'm honestly getting very tired making the same point over and over again, so if you have any questions, just simply PM me, because this conversation is starting to get monotonous. Also, I hope the Mods don't close this sh!t down, but just be aware guys...

Well, it's not just that late '00s borns are still kids. It's that there is a larger gap in growing up in the 1990s vs 2000s and growing up in the 2000s vs now.

*Late '80s borns grew up from 1990-2001.
*Late '90s borns grew up from 2000-2011.
*Late '00s born are growing up from 2010 until 2021.

I couldn't be able to relate much to late '00s borns, even when they become adults.  What could I possibly relate to a 2008 born about growing up? Growing up I didn't have a smartphone unlike many of them have now. Most of my childhood shows they have never watched or have only watched the sequel/reboot. Most of them don't know 2000s music. Seriously what could I relate to them with?
I'm sorry, but your logic can also apply the other way around then. What could a late 80s relate to you?

And tbh thanks to the internet always at hand, late 2000s borns were probably more aware about past stuff than any kids before them.

I'm sorry, but your logic can also apply the other way around then. What could a late 80s relate to you?

And tbh thanks to the internet always at hand, late 2000s borns were probably more aware about past stuff than any kids before them.

ZeldaFan20 explains it all.

Anyways, I didn't say that late '90s borns have a lot of things in common with late '80s borns but we do (generally) have more in common with them that late '00s borns.

Also, I just showed you the video of Kids React to Snoop Dogg and almost none of them knew him or only knew him from memes. THAT'S A MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Late '80s & late '90s borns know Snoop Dogg because of his musical career. Late '00s borns know Snoop Dogg because of memes and Fortnite. See the difference?

Unpopular opinion, but I do think people born between 1997-1999 and people born between 2007-2009 are apart of the same generation. Just because the latter may use phrases or know newer trends that the former isn't familiar with doesn't mean anything. How is someone born in the late 90's going to share a lot in common with someone born in say 2009 who is still in their single digits? You guys are still young as hell. Of course, you're not going to feel like the same generation as someone born in the late 2000's, not right now. I know couples in real life who are 10 years apart and they can relate just fine because they're older and what they grew up with during their childhood or teenage years or whatever doesn't mean sh!t.

Not to be ageist, but it's always the mid-late 90's borns that try and distance themselves from people born in the mid-late 2000's when the truth is they are not that different and they're just in different life stages. In fact, a lot of people I've met in person born between 1996-1999 that don't post on forums actually have surprisingly so many Gen Z characteristics that it would even be difficult to consider them a Y/Z cusp.

I agree with everything you said there. Maybe one day they will accept the gen z label but something could change. But yes I agree I think my range for gen z has changed quite a bit, I would say 1995-2010 are gen z, so yes that puts half of 90s babies and all the 00s babies in the same generation. And it is what you normally see define gen z

Also, I just showed you the video of Kids React to Snoop Dogg and almost none of them knew him or only knew him from memes. THAT'S A MAJOR DIFFERENCE.

Late '80s & late '90s borns know Snoop Dogg because of his musical career. Late '00s borns know Snoop Dogg because of memes and Fortnite. See the difference?

Yes, the difference is that you're cherrypicking by asking to kids who a certain artist that wasn't relevant for more of a decade is. If you went back to 2008 and asked the kids who Reel 2 Real is, they probably wouldn't know or only know him because of Madagaskar ???

I agree with everything you said there. Maybe one day they will accept the gen z label but something could change. But yes I agree I think my range for gen z has changed quite a bit, I would say 1995-2010 are gen z, so yes that puts half of 90s babies and all the 00s babies in the same generation. And it is what you normally see define gen z

I don’t think the starting year for Gen Z will be pushed to a year in the 2000’s or something. I honestly think it will still start somewhere in the 90’s unless some huge event happens or something (which is most likely not going to be the case) I think once all of Gen Z becomes older, then mid-late 90’s babies and everyone else in Gen Z probably won’t have a problem with being Gen Z.

I don’t think the starting year for Gen Z will be pushed to a year in the 2000’s or something. I honestly think it will still start somewhere in the 90’s unless some huge event happens or something (which is most likely not going to be the case) I think once all of Gen Z becomes older, then mid-late 90’s babies and everyone else in Gen Z probably won’t have a problem with being Gen Z.

I used to think 2001 was the first year of generation z but I think 2001 is wayyy too late imo. I would say 1993 at the very earliest but 1993 is more gen y. I think everyone born after 1996 is definitely gen z though. Just my opinion there is no right or wrong answer

I used to think 2001 was the first year of generation z but I think 2001 is wayyy too late imo. I would say 1993 at the very earliest but 1993 is more gen y. I think everyone born after 1996 is definitely gen z though. Just my opinion there is no right or wrong answer

That’s fine lmao. No offense, but Black Panthers post on this thread is literally the perfect example of what I’m talking about. A late 90’s born really thinking they’re a different generation from some kids  just because they don’t remember one artist.  ::) ;D

Rainbows, no offense, but you're argumentation is a bit flawed & thus can't really speak for them. Any 10 year difference is going to be pretty significant, which ever direction you go, but of course as one ages that 10 year gap subsides. Many 80s babies distanced themselves from 90s babies because they "wEREN'T 90S KUDSSS..." (whatever that means :-\\ ). However, nowadays while you still have some ageist 80s babies that distance themselves from 90s babies, the differences aren't as strong as they once were, mainly because both sects of cohorts are now young adults (working, graduating from college/masters, planning for the future, getting married, etc.). So yeah, of course the difference between 90s & 00s babies will eventually subside & not seem as drastic, as more & more 00s babies get older. Heck, In all honesty I didn't really think much of you guys (take no offense) because I didn't really know anybody born after 2000 on a personal level unless it was family members or close family friends. In all honesty, and you can ask any 90s baby & they'd all (or close to it) would probably agree, but we all thought of you guys as still babies. Now that you guys are teenagers, heck you now strongly outnumber 90s babies as teen & starting next year no one born in the 1990s will be in high school (that of course is not taking account people that may had gotten left back), you seem a lot more relatable in a societal sense then even just a few years ago. And as more & more 00s babies turn 18 (and their 20s soon), that gap will begin to subside. So if that was what you meant in relation between Late 90s & Late 00s babies when it pertain to a 10 year difference, than I agree that it is silly to compare a college student to a middle school student when they are at two completely different life stages.

Now HOWEVER (& this is paramount to my overall point) if you're suggesting that because its a 10 year gap that all of a sudden means they are apart of the same generation (from the sociological level), than I'd respectfully disagree. I'm not trying to sound condescending, but just because Late 90s babies aren't that far off in age than you, doesn't make them more or less in the same sociological generation as yourself. The same 'personal' generation, sure! But from a sociological level, if you're going to cite one source that lists Generation Z as those born from 1995/1997-2010+, you can't just then simply ignore the other sources that list Millennials as those born from 1980/1982-1997/2000. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Rainbows, you have to acknowledge that when it pertains to generations that you can't just simply put a flag in the sand & declare that this cohort is apart of this generation, without ever even considering how that one particular cohort may feel about that. Sure, you may know a lot of people born in 1997-2000 that relate more to the Z label than the Millennial label, I'm not discarding that. But I also know a lot of people born in that same time frame that are more of a mixture of the two, some leaning more Millennial, others more Z, & the vast bulk being just a complete mixture of both sets of traits. And in all honesty, this coincides as to why marketers have a hard time pinning Late 90s babies.

Because Rainbows (and a few others on this thread), here is the reality; sure Late 90s babies may be still in tune with pop culture more noticeably than people born in the early & mid 90s, sure a lot of popular artists nowadays born in the late 90s are culturally distinct to their 80s/early-mid 90s brethren, Late 90s babies never had spent one day as a teenager in the 2000s, & finally Late 90s babies may not remember much of the 9/11 attacks.

But you know what; Most Late 90s babies (I'd bet if you asked them) remember the following; The Iraq War, Hurricane Katrina, George W. Bush as POTUS (and how much respect we lost in the world stage back then, for the youngsters on here, he was essentially the 'Trump' of my day), The Great Recession (and because the effects raged on through the early-mid 2010s, they were the absolute youngest to be somewhat effected by it), Barack Obama becoming the first African-American POTUS, Michael Jackson's tragic death, the assassination of Osama Bin Laden, The Sandy Hook Shooting, & of course they vividly remember a time when many members of the LBGTQ community were massively discriminated against & in a world when gay marriage was still a hot political issue. Now thats just politics/world events.

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Thats not even to mention the many cultural things that make Late 90s babies more Millennial than you give credit to. When they were kids, they were the last to spend most of their core childhoods prior to the release of the original iPhone, which is technologically & socially huge. They also are the last to likely remember when Nickelodeon still had their iconic SPLAT Logo, the CN 'City Era' of Cartoon Network, the action block TOONAMI, the 6th generation of video game consoles (which if you want more info pertaining to that subject, check out my post about it on this: http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=58638.45, but to keep things short, since they were the last to spend most of their core childhoods in a world of local multiplayer, wired controllers, a more abundant amount of game genres, etc. that alone is pretty significant), among other trends. I also bet if you asked your average 97'-99' born person they'd also remember VHS tapes, people buying CDs, Mp3s (& the cultural significance that was the iPod), Tamogotchis/Neopets, Bop Its, Bionicle, Toy commercials for boys still having a bit of a 'Radical' or 'XTREME' edge to things, among other things. They can also vividly remember a time before social media & YouTube were king.


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Finally, Late 90s babies during their core 'youth' years (aka, ages 9-24) were in high school (the core of their youth) or ages 14-18, primarily before 2016. Now, enough time has passed & I think we can all agree that 2016 was a very pivotal year. However, not even from just a political standpoint, but even a pop cultural standpoint. Since 2017-2018, there has been a noticeably increase in Trap music, Latin Pop, & post Chainsmokers styled EDM that, while not that significant from the mid 2010s, does make the early 2010s look more dated in comparison. However, time will utlimately tell, but I genuinly feel, especially since 2018 has began, that we are now comfortably in the era of Z pop culture. Which leads me back to the original point of this thread; is it true that a lot of Late 90s babies may be either influenced pop culturally & or pioneering the current pop culture for the crux of Gen Z at this point....? Yes. But, does that make any more Gen Z than someone born in 1993 or 1994 (lets say someone like Chance or Lil Uzi Vert) whom may also be influenced by or pioneering this new culture? You may have a different answer, but my answer is no. Objectively, it is just a fact that when you look at how conflicted grouping Late 90s babies (& to a lesser extent 1995-96' & 2000-01' babies) are to either Gen Y or Gen Z, that because of the confusion, Late 90s babies are the epitome of the Gen Y/Z cusp. However, my subjective opinion is that, while they aren't as core (or solidly) Millennial in life experiences as someone born in 1996 & prior, that doesn't automatically make them Gen Z. And the mere fact that they spent most of their childhoods prior to the iPhone & the Great Recession in 2007-2008 and their youthful periods prior to 2016 with the election Donald Trump & subsequent rise in Z pop culture, is why I'd say they lean more towards Millennials than Gen Zers. At the end of the day, I'm honestly getting very tired making the same point over and over again, so if you have any questions, just simply PM me, because this conversation is starting to get monotonous. Also, I hope the Mods don't close this sh!t down, but just be aware guys...

Did you really make an essay?  ;D

That’s fine lmao. No offense, but Black Panthers post on this thread is literally the perfect example of what I’m talking about. A late 90’s born really thinking they’re a different generation from some kids  just because they don’t remember one artist.  ::) ;D

Yes I get exactly what you are saying and I have seen it happen before. Hopefully that kind of mindset goes away soon

Snoop Dogg is a hip-hop legend not just some random artist.

So I don't know why Rainbowz and Mr. Shruggie are acting like they don't get what I'm saying.

Also, this is nothing to do with being "better" than late '00s borns. That's a simplistic thought process.

Anyways, ZeldaFan20 summarized what I'm saying in his long post. So take it or leave it.

I hope mods don't lock this thread... I actually enjoy reading y'all comments lol

I hope mods don't lock this thread... I actually enjoy reading y'all comments lol

Well, I can lock this thread and I've thought about locking it.

However, I've leave it open for now. CatwomanofV may see this thread and she might lock it though.

Snoop Dogg is a hip-hop legend not just some random artist.

So I don't know what rainbow and Mr. Shruggie are acting like they're don't get what I'm saying.

Also, this is nothing to do with being "better" than late '00s borns. That's a simplistic thought process.

Anyways, ZeldaFan20 summarized what I'm saying in his long post. So take it or leave it.

What? ??? So apparently if you simply can't remember a "legend" then the difference is so large you have to put yourself in another generation??

What? ??? So apparently if you simply can't remember a "legend" then the difference is so large you have to put yourself in another generation??

What I'm saying is that late 90s borns have more in common with late 80s borns than late 00s borns, in general.

I don't see my self as being of the same generation as late 00s borns because of the reasons listed by ZeldaFan20.

What I'm saying is that late 90s borns have more in common with late 80s borns than late 00s borns, in general.

I don't see my self as being of the same generation as late 00s borns because of the reasons listed by ZeldaFan20.

I see why you wouldn't relate to a 2009 born, i wouldn't be able to relate to a 2014 born in the near future either.

I see why you wouldn't relate to a 2009 born, i wouldn't be able to relate to a 2014 born in the near future either.

Yeah, exactly. It's really simple.

Guys at this point; instead of having a circle jerk, perhaps maybe (just maybe) have a reasonable discussion about this, with people you may not actually agree with. Instead of acting arrogant and thinking, "My point is Valid, and yours is Not", perhaps maybe you should engage with the person you disagree with and come to an understanding?

Idk, but thats just the inThe00s I'm used, not this petty high school crap I'm seeing now. I already laid out my 'essay' (if you think that would be considered an essay... God speed to you...) about this topic, so unless your going to offer a decent rebuttal to points I've & others raised, theres almost no point of being apart of this conversation. Me, Black Panther, & Ty are older & have been in these forums for a while now, so if you're not going to produce anything valuable to say other then benign memes that have been tired out by now, I'd reckon to Black Panther to lock this thread.

Snoop Dogg is a hip-hop legend not just some random artist.

So I don't know what rainbow and Mr. Shruggie are acting like they're don't get what I'm saying.

Also, this is nothing to do with being "better" than late '00s borns. That's a simplistic thought process.

Anyways, ZeldaFan20 summarized what I'm saying in his long post. So take it or leave it.


I see your point, personally I agree with the fact that late 90s don't have a lot in common with late 00s, especially in terms of childhood. To me 97-02 is its own thing. What I wonder is if eventually late 90s babies and late 00s babies will be able to relate with each other when we are all adults, and what would we relate with them? We both don't remember a world before the internet, but growing up with late 2000s internet is pretty different to late 2010s Internet. It'd be interesting if an entire new form of internet emerged in the 2020s.

I see your point, personally I agree with the fact that late 90s don't have a lot in common with late 00s, especially in terms of childhood. To me 97-02 is its own thing. What I wonder is if eventually late 90s babies and late 00s babies will be able to relate with each other when we are all adults, and what would we relate with them? We both don't remember a world before the internet, but growing up with late 2000s internet is pretty different to late 2010s Internet. It'd be interesting if an entire new form of internet emerged in the 2020s.

Yeah, this is another solid difference. Being online in the 2000s was different than being online in the 2010s. Also, we didn't grow up with smartphones even though we did come of age with it as teenagers. However, that's different from having a smartphone at age 6.

When we were 6 years old, smartphones didn't exist (modern ones at least).

What I wonder is if eventually late 90s babies and late 00s babies will be able to relate with each other when we are all adults, and what would we relate with them? We both don't remember a world before the internet, but growing up with late 2000s internet is pretty different to late 2010s Internet. It'd be interesting if an entire new form of internet emerged in the 2020s.

I think they'd definitely be able to relate. Maybe this would probably change the definition of Generation Z a little bit IMO.

I think they'd definitely be able to relate. Maybe this would probably change the definition of Generation Z a little bit IMO.

Relate to what? Give examples.

Like I said earlier, you maybe have more in common with late '00s borns but not me.

Relate to what? Give examples.

Like I said earlier, you maybe have more in common with late '00s borns but not me.

When they're all older, they'll be able to relate better since the difference won't be as big. Me having more in common with late 2000's borns has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, this is another solid difference. Being online in the 2000s was different than being online in the 2010s. Also, we didn't grow up with smartphones even though we did come of age with it as teenagers. However, that's different from having a smartphone at age 6.

When we were 6 years old, smartphones didn't exist (modern ones at least).


Exactly. And even then it took years before 2010s style smartphones became ubiquitous. Even growing up online in the early 2010s was mad different than now. But we just gotta wait and see how it plays out.

For now the starting point of Gen Z to me is coming of age after the age of Trump and entering the workforce in the 2020s.


When they're all older, they'll be able to relate better since the difference won't be as big. Me having more in common with late 2000's borns has nothing to do with it.

Guys at this point; instead of having a circle jerk, perhaps maybe (just maybe) have a reasonable discussion about this, with people you may not actually agree with. Instead of acting arrogant and thinking, "My point is Valid, and yours is Not", perhaps maybe you should engage with the person you disagree with and come to an understanding?

Idk, but thats just the inThe00s I'm used, not this petty high school crap I'm seeing now. I already laid out my 'essay' (if you think that would be considered an essay... God speed to you...) about this topic, so unless your going to offer a decent rebuttal to points I've & others raised, theres almost no point of being apart of this conversation. Me, Black Panther, & Ty are older & have been in these forums for a while now, so if you're not going to produce anything valuable to say other then benign memes that have been tired out by now, I'd reckon to Black Panther to lock this thread.

Nobody ever said your point wasn't valid...

Someone on Personality Cafe said that they were born in 1993 and that they can relate more with those born in the Late 80s than those born in the Early 90s.

When they're all older, they'll be able to relate better since the difference won't be as big. Me having more in common with late 2000's borns has nothing to do with it.

I doubt it. The gap will slightly close but there will still be a large difference.


Someone on Personality Cafe said that they were born in 1993 and that they can relate more with those born in the Late 80s than those born in the Early 90s.

Well, that's stupid.

Someone on Personality Cafe said that they were born in 1993 and that they can relate more with those born in the Late 80s than those born in the Early 90s.

https://i.imgur.com/xccIBrL.jpg

Late 90s borns were born when the internet, computers, and phones were already common and grew up with them though, which imo makes them have a lot more in common with late 00s borns than late 80s borns. Late 80s borns were in elementary/middle school when these things became common, and most of them were already out of college by the time smartphones and "modern" internet became common (while late 90s borns were still in middle school).

Obviously a 10 year difference is huge but late 90s born still grew up with the same general stuff as late 00s borns. There's a big difference between growing up with dumb phones/"old" internet vs. smartphones/"modern" internet , and growing with phones/internet vs. no phones/no internet.