Will 2018-2019 season be starting of new trends like how 2008-2009 or 1998-1999 was or not I was thinking the second half of 2018 would be like some kind of transition period.I feel like by then there would be a need for some shift because of the 2010s culture becoming even more stale by then.Even if its no huge shift during the 2018-2019 season maybe it would be a small but noticable one!!

Thanks for answering Gen y,x and z :)

I frankly don't know if the second half of 2018 would feel different compared to 2016. To me, this decade's culture hasn't really changed since 2014 due to the massive rise of tensions between the media and social demographics. The use of smartphones and tablets are also responsible for this change, which I doubt would be different by the end of the 2010s.

I frankly don't know if the second half of 2018 would feel different compared to 2016. To me, this decade's culture hasn't really changed since 2014 due to the massive rise of tensions between the media and social demographics. The use of smartphones and tablets are also responsible for this change, which I doubt would be different by the end of the 2010s.

Music-wise, 2014 definitely sounds different from today IMO. 2014 also had more hipsters than today. I'm starting to notice a slight decline in them.

There's no real way to know. There might not be a "shift" until sometime in the early 2020s. Or never. Maybe pop culture changing every decade is just a 20th century thing :o. If there ever is a shift, we won't realize it until a few years after anyway.

Too damn early to tell.

As for ofkx’s theory that pop culture and society will remain stagnant for decades to come, that’s just a ‘90s baby’s pipe dream, bro.

Pretty soon, 1994-2000 babies will settle down and raise families. The fads of their youth will fade into obscurity. Late 2000s/early 2010s babies will be in their teens. That’s when the REAL shift should commence. Sometime in the next 2-5 years for sure.

Is Radio Disney still around?

That used to be a great way to get a preview of what pop music will sound like in a few years.  For instance, the sound of 2013 was easily predictable by listening to what Radio Disney sounded like in 2008 or 2009.

Is Radio Disney still around?

That used to be a great way to get a preview of what pop music will sound like in a few years.  For instance, the sound of 2013 was easily predictable by listening to what Radio Disney sounded like in 2008 or 2009.


As far as I can recall, Radio Disney went off the air right around the same time that Sirius acquired XM Radio. That was right around '09 or '10.
Then again, I'm not in the target demographic for "teen pop". So I wouldn't know.

How many times do I have to say it the shift is happening now



-TRLs come back
-Rosanne
- Death of gritty type site slike Vice
- DEath of Facebook
-Trump
-  Fuller House
- sling Tv , Directv Now taking over standard Cable
- AR slowly creeping
-Self driving cars

How many times do I have to say it the shift is happening now



-TRLs come back
-Rosanne
- Death of gritty type site slike Vice
- DEath of Facebook
-Trump
-  Fuller House
- sling Tv , Directv Now taking over standard Cable
- AR slowly creeping
-Self driving cars

He's literally so obsessed with finding out if there is going to be a cultural shift. He could've easily added his prediction to his "Now that its 2018 would it make sense for 2018 to be transitional or not?" thread instead of creating a new one.

Too damn early to tell.

As for ofkx’s theory that pop culture and society will remain stagnant for decades to come, that’s just a ‘90s baby’s pipe dream, bro.

Pretty soon, 1994-2000 babies will settle down and raise families. The fads of their youth will fade into obscurity. Late 2000s/early 2010s babies will be in their teens. That’s when the REAL shift should commence. Sometime in the next 2-5 years for sure.


I agree with Private Pyle.  I don't see how pop culture can remain stagnant when the trends keep changing. As young people grow old and leave pop culture behind for new younger people to come then things will change regardless. And to the new set of young people to them everything will be new and different from when they were little kids. If the 2010s feel makes it way to 2022 I'd be very surprised as I don't see many trends that seem "Very 2010s in vibe" to last much longer.

I doubt the new TRL will last or will be remembered as very culturally significant at all.  It's not 1998 anymore.

2016/Obama era already feels different to me in terms of social climate.

Also technologically because of digital payments, home voice assistants Switch/PS4 Pro/Xbox One X and ^like mentioned above streaming services like Slick, PS Vue etc. replacing cable. There's the bezelless phone trend as well although they have obviously run out of ideas.

How many times do I have to say it the shift is happening now



-TRLs come back
-Rosanne
- Death of gritty type site slike Vice
- DEath of Facebook
-Trump
-  Fuller House
- sling Tv , Directv Now taking over standard Cable
- AR slowly creeping
-Self driving cars


Some of those things are from 2017 or even earlier.

I agree with Private Pyle.  I don't see how pop culture can remain stagnant when the trends keep changing. As young people grow old and leave pop culture behind for new younger people to come then things will change regardless. And to the new set of young people to them everything will be new and different from when they were little kids. If the 2010s feel makes it way to 2022 I'd be very surprised as I don't see many trends that seem "Very 2010s in vibe" to last much longer.


And what is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

JK. Glad to see someone recognizes the avatar I just put up. It beats the hell out of the Charlie Manson one I had last month.

There's no real way to know. There might not be a "shift" until sometime in the early 2020s. Or never. Maybe pop culture changing every decade is just a 20th century thing :o. If there ever is a shift, we won't realize it until a few years after anyway.


I agree with bolded

I doubt the new TRL will last or will be remembered as very culturally significant at all.  It's not 1998 anymore.

I agree. I don't think most people even realize it's back. Who even watches tv in 2018? lol.

Too damn early to tell.

As for ofkx’s theory that pop culture and society will remain stagnant for decades to come, that’s just a ‘90s baby’s pipe dream, bro.




Decades clearly are no longer following the same format pre 21st century,  that's modernism for you. Tastes will change ofc but expecting pop culture changes to be following  the same formulaic of the 90's 80's 70's 60's et etc is silly, what will happen is new sounds new fashion will come, how long it will stay for or when it may come is anyone's guess,

Decades clearly are no longer following the same format pre 21st century,  that's modernism for you. Tastes will change ofc but expecting pop culture changes to be following  the same formulaic of the 90's 80's 70's 60's et etc is silly, what will happen is new sounds new fashion will come, how long it will stay for or when it may come is anyone's guess,


I'm not so sure this is the case.  I mean, cultural changes didn't always line up completely with the decades during the 20th century.  It's simply that nostalgia culture associates certain trends and zeitgeists with decades.  In reality, it looked something more like this.

1929-1939 - Great Depression
1939-1945 - World War II
1945-1963 - Post-war boom
1963-1975 - Sexual revolution/vietnam era
1975-1981 - Stagflation/oil crisis/Carter
1981-1992 - "The Eighties"
1992-2008 - Digital revolution
2008-2017 - Obama era
2017-Present - Current era

I swear this myth of each decade having a proper distinct personality instead of actually a mish mash of different trends that got popular over the course of a 10 years period is getting beyond ridiculous at this point ::).

There's no «formula» really, just dumb overbearing associations and cliches, and awful history revisionism in some cases.

Decades clearly are no longer following the same format pre 21st century,  that's modernism for you. Tastes will change ofc but expecting pop culture changes to be following  the same formulaic of the 90's 80's 70's 60's et etc is silly, what will happen is new sounds new fashion will come, how long it will stay for or when it may come is anyone's guess,


I’m sorry. I thought he was implying that whatever “trends” we have now are here to stay for decades to come.
Which would be utterly ridiculous. Everything changes. And everything remains the same.

Decades clearly are no longer following the same format pre 21st century,  that's modernism for you. Tastes will change ofc but expecting pop culture changes to be following  the same formulaic of the 90's 80's 70's 60's et etc is silly, what will happen is new sounds new fashion will come, how long it will stay for or when it may come is anyone's guess,

I mean true, you can't always expect future decades to follow the same formula as the previous ones, but then again I guess you could say history can repeat itself so it's still possible.

I swear this myth of each decade having a proper distinct personality instead of actually a mish mash of different trends that got popular over the course of a 10 years period is getting beyond ridiculous at this point ::).

There's no «formula» really, just dumb overbearing associations and cliches, and awful history revisionism in some cases.


I think we can blame VH1 for a lot of this.  And the fact that during the 20th century, most decades did have a distinct personality by chance but even then, it wasn't that cut and dry.  The 1940s was a split decade, with the first half being a world war and the second half being the precursor to the 1950s.  What we commonly think of as "The Sixties" was the late 60s and early 70s.  That's when the counterculture and Vietnam protests were at their peak.  The 60s pre-Kennedy assassination was virtually indistinguishable from the 1950s.  The 1990s was a very schizophrenic decade and was really about getting us from the '80s to the new millennium.

I'm sure the 2020s will have a huge cultural difference from now maybe that starting around 2022-2024 It will probably start a whole new way of culture and the way we see things. :o

I'm not so sure this is the case.  I mean, cultural changes didn't always line up completely with the decades during the 20th century.  It's simply that nostalgia culture associates certain trends and zeitgeists with decades.  In reality, it looked something more like this.

1929-1939 - Great Depression
1939-1945 - World War II
1945-1963 - Post-war boom
1963-1975 - Sexual revolution/vietnam era
1975-1981 - Stagflation/oil crisis/Carter
1981-1992 - "The Eighties"
1992-2008 - Digital revolution
Late 2008-2017 - Obama era
2017-Present - Current era

My friend, you are AWESOME! :) Your list is VERY Close to mine. But here's my two cents.
1929-1939 - Great Depression
1939-1945 - World War II
1946-1952- 1950s Part 1: McCarthyism and Truman era
1953-1963 1950s Part 2:  Ike, Elvis, James Dean JFK old school Rock n roll post/ war  boom
1964-1973 - Sex, drugs, and rock n roll/Vietnam era
1974-1981 - Stagflation/oil crisis/ Disco Duck/Carter
1981-1992 - "The Eighties"/Reagan Era
1993-2008 - Digital revolution/Clinton and Dubya years
Late 2008-2017 - 2010s Part 1: The Obama era
2017-Present - 2010s Part 2: Current Trump era

I smell a debate we're all VERY familiar with brewing up.

I smell a debate we're all VERY familiar with brewing up.

Not really a debate since I agreed with Chris...

I think the shift occurred in summer or fall of 2017 and already started to feel distant from 2016. I don't think the second half of 2018 will be too much different than now, or 2019 or even 2020 for that matter.

I think the shift occurred in summer or fall of 2017 and already started to feel distant from 2016. I don't think the second half of 2018 will be too much different than now, or 2019 or even 2020 for that matter.

IDK man, it could repeat 2008 and feel a little distinct in the latter year. You just never know. :o

Who would agree with this political break-down of this decade?

February 2012 - March 2014: Early 2010's (starts with the Chardon and Trayvon Martin incidents, ends with the Crimean Crisis)
March 2014 - February 2018: Mid 2010's (starts with the Crimean Crisis, ends with the Parkland shooting accompanied with the decline of both the fringe right and the fringe left*)
February 2018 - present: Late 2010's (starts with the Parkland shooting accompanied with the decline of the fringe right and the fringe left)

* = I would actually say that both seem to be declining after February/March 2018 because as one could recall, Richard Spencer only had ten people (probably at least half of them not agreeing with him) come to his event. I believe that Matt Heimbach got arrested about several days or so after the event. Additionally, a prominent fringe right subreddit, Uncensored News, was banned in March 2018.

Who would agree with this political break-down of this decade?

February 2012 - March 2014: Early 2010's (starts with the Chardon and Trayvon Martin incidents, ends with the Crimean Crisis)
March 2014 - February 2018: Mid 2010's (starts with the Crimean Crisis, ends with the Parkland shooting accompanied with the decline of both the fringe right and the fringe left*)
February 2018 - present: Late 2010's (starts with the Parkland shooting accompanied with the decline of the fringe right and the fringe left)

* = I would actually say that both seem to be declining after February/March 2018 because as one could recall, Richard Spencer only had ten people (probably at least half of them not agreeing with him) come to his event. I believe that Matt Heimbach got arrested about several days or so after the event. Additionally, a prominent fringe right subreddit, Uncensored News, was banned in March 2018.

But what about 2010 and 2011?

But what about 2010 and 2011?


The Chardon and Trayvon Martin incidents in February of 2012 are still pretty relevant in today's society, which is why I believe that the 2010's politically began in 2012.

But what about 2010 and 2011?


2011 was about OWS and Arab Spring.

But what about 2010 and 2011?


2010 and 2011 wasn't really that accompanied towards the post-2012 political era that we have now since people hoped for more peace. Especially when 2011 was when Osama Bin Laden was finally shot in his home and the Iraq War finally ended.

2010 and 2011 were more politically aligned with the '00s in my opinion.  In addition to the Iraq War, Osama Bin Laden, etc, the Great Recession and the oil crunch dominated the political conversation then.  I associate those issues more with the '00s than the '10s.

2012 was also when Obama came around in support of gay marriage.  Obama's second term was very different from his first.  The SJW movement, the hashtag movements, etc were all big in Obama's second term.  Racial tension, homophobia, and transphobia really escalated to extreme levels between 2012 and 2016.

It will probably start to feel a little different late 2018 - 2019. Nothing huge but maybe some little changes here and there that will make the 2018 - 2019 school year a transitional one. Who knows we will have to wait and find out.

He's literally so obsessed with finding out if there is going to be a cultural shift. He could've easily added his prediction to his "Now that its 2018 would it make sense for 2018 to be transitional or not?" thread instead of creating a new one.

You don't need to be mean to the OP.

You don't need to be mean to the OP.

I'm just being honest. This could've been posted on his other thread as they are pretty much closely related.

I honestly don't know but i know that late 2018 music will be way different possibly.

I think the shift occurred in summer or fall of 2017 and already started to feel distant from 2016. I don't think the second half of 2018 will be too much different than now, or 2019 or even 2020 for that matter.

There really was no shift in 2017 at all. It was a fairly consistent year from start to finish and will probably be looked back as being the most defining late 2010s year. The last year that had a shift was 2016 where we shifted from mid '10s culture to late '10s culture. I predict the next shift will happen either the 2018 - 2019 school year, or the 2019 - 2020 school year. If there is no significant shift in either of these periods, I would be quite shocked and it may mean pop culture just doesn't want to change anymore.

There really was no shift in 2017 at all. It was a fairly consistent year from start to finish and will probably be looked back as being the most defining late 2010s year. The last year that had a shift was 2016 where we shifted from mid '10s culture to late '10s culture. I predict the next shift will happen either the 2018 - 2019 school year, or the 2019 - 2020 school year. If there is no significant shift in either of these periods, I would be quite shocked and it may mean pop culture just doesn't want to change anymore.

If there was no shift in 2017 and no difference between it and 2016, why would it be the most defining late 2010s year?

If there was no shift in 2017 and no difference between it and 2016, why would it be the most defining late 2010s year?

Simple, there WAS a difference between it and early 2016. 2016 was transitional and it had a shift, 2017 was not. The late 2010s culture was strong all throughout 2017. Now 2018 on the other hand, may see a shift later in the year for '20s culture which is why I believe 2017 will be looked back as the main late 2010s year.

We don't have to wait for pop culture to change itself....We can just make the 2020s decade way better than those filler years 1998-2019.We can create the future...

We don't have to wait for pop culture to change itself....We can just make the 2020s decade way better than those filler years 1998-2019.We can create the future...


Exactly, people need to stop waiting for a major pop culture change and just be it, ya know? There's lots you can do, support great new artists (there's lots), wear new interesting fashion, have that "20s" attitude, I mean what are we waiting for?

Simple, there WAS a difference between it and early 2016. 2016 was transitional and it had a shift, 2017 was not. The late 2010s culture was strong all throughout 2017. Now 2018 on the other hand, may see a shift later in the year for '20s culture which is why I believe 2017 will be looked back as the main late 2010s year.


I think we are likely to go into a recession (at least in the US) later this year which should had a ripple effect on pop culture.  The 2018 midterm election will also make a political statement.  Any real musical change is hard to see.  I think pop music is going to start becoming a lot more splintered with different genres evolving different ways as streaming has overtaken FM radio as the primary way people discover music.

I think we are likely to go into a recession (at least in the US) later this year which should had a ripple effect on pop culture.  The 2018 midterm election will also make a political statement.  Any real musical change is hard to see.  I think pop music is going to start becoming a lot more splintered with different genres evolving different ways as streaming has overtaken FM radio as the primary way people discover music.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think we will be in a recession?

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think we will be in a recession?


Trump's trade war with China will likely cause a recession.  A major war, either in the middle east or in North Korea will also likely trigger one.  Things aren't currently looking good.

Economically late 2014 to early 2018 was one era, at least here where I live. Alberta now is on a major upswing, huge amount of employment and full time jobs available. Not completely out of the woods but pretty much recovered from the recession and the economy is doing very well and has been diversified. Honestly conservatives have nothing to complain about now given NDP put through their carbon taxes and increased corporate taxes and the economy is doing better than it has since late 2014. The 2015 - 2017 period was a disaster for the economy, but now it is improving a lot. This is why I can see 2019 bringing some big change. The following year after the last recession of 2015, 2016 brought forward change and I believe 2019 will be a big transitional year. I think we'll start to see the shift in the 2018 - 2019 school year and maybe even see hints of it in summer of 2018.

We don't have to wait for pop culture to change itself....We can just make the 2020s decade way better than those filler years 1998-2019.We can create the future...

Say what, how are those filler years?  ???

Music has been the same since 1999.
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2012-early 2016

Waste of a decade

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Music has been the same since 1981.

Music has been the same since 1981.

Well you're wrong


since 1968 Obviously.

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Well you're wrong


since 1968 Obviously.

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No, music has been the same since 1931 because that's when songs about pussy started and brought us into the era that we're in today.
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I think it's safe to say that the pop culture hasn't changed much since then and we've been living in one big era.

Songs about sex and drugs started getting big in the late 1990s. That's one of the ways the 2000s and 2010s are similar because the content of the songs are similar while the 1990s and before were all a lot more conservative. I do wish music went back to how it was before but I know that won't happen and it will remain trashy for years to come.

Songs about sex and drugs started getting big in the late 1990s. That's one of the ways the 2000s and 2010s are similar because the content of the songs are similar while the 1990s and before were all a lot more conservative. I do wish music went back to how it was before but I know that won't happen and it will remain trashy for years to come.

Sir-mix-alot had a song entirely about butts in the early 90s, Madonna’s “Like A Virgin” was about sex so good that it felt like the first time and it was released in the 80s, and “Baby It’s Cold Outside” was released in, what, 1948? and it was a guy making excuses for a girl so that she stays at his house and he gets laid.

Sir-mix-alot had a song entirely about butts in the early 90s, Madonna’s “Like A Virgin” was about sex so good that it felt like the first time and it was released in the 80s, and “Baby It’s Cold Outside” was released in, what, 1948? and it was a guy making excuses for a girl so that she stays at his house and he gets laid.

It's not the same. The whole "All popular songs are about sex and drugs" idea started in the late 1990s, because that's when those kinds of songs started blowing up.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think we will be in a recession?


A recession is likely at some point in the next couple of years, and as has been said, perhaps Trump's proto-trade war with China pushes the date up closer. But the more elemental reason is that continual growth past next summer would mark the longest economic expansion in American history (June 2009 – June 2019), and it's not terribly likely that a growth cycle can sustain itself much past then.

It's not the same. The whole "All popular songs are about sex and drugs" idea started in the late 1990s, because that's when those kinds of songs started blowing up.

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It's not the same. The whole "All popular songs are about sex and drugs" idea started in the late 1990s, because that's when those kinds of songs started blowing up.


Where the hell have you been since ?