I think we're going back to a more conservative culture not completely but somewhat. I'm seeing a lot of backlash against sjws and feminism now and there's more wartime tv shows now.

I'm not sure how we can "go back" to conservative culture when we've never actually left one, basically since the 80s. I was around in the 60s and 70s so I know what a NOT conservative culture is like.  After the drastic turn to the right in the 80s we (the US) never really pulled out of it. As for feminism, there's always been a backlash, so that isn't new. If there's a backlash against SJWs it's because they're so annoying and not necessarily because of the causes they espouse. As for "wartime shows", it depends on what it is and what it is saying. M*A*S*H, for example,  was a "wartime show" and was very anti-war. But that was the 70s. Then came the dreaded 80s and a lot of jingoistic things like "Top Gun".

I'm not sure how we can "go back" to conservative culture when we've never actually left one, basically since the 80s. I was around in the 60s and 70s so I know what a NOT conservative culture is like.  After the drastic turn to the right in the 80s we (the US) never really pulled out of it. As for feminism, there's always been a backlash, so that isn't new. If there's a backlash against SJWs it's because they're so annoying and not necessarily because of the causes they espouse. As for "wartime shows", it depends on what it is and what it is saying. M*A*S*H, for example,  was a "wartime show" and was very anti-war. But that was the 70s. Then came the dreaded 80s and a lot of jingoistic things like "Top Gun".


I agree with you.  I'd also point out that things look to be taking a big jump toward justice, both racially, and especially sexually, as in the  #metoo movement.  Not sure how this will manifest in terms of pop culture though, since I really don't pay much attention

Sorry if i didn't phrase it properly

This country has always been somewhat conservative. However, as things start getting more progressive, there are many on the right who sees that as a threat and is trying to make people afraid of change. "The war on Christmas" is one example. There is NO war but if those on the right can make people THINK that those on the left will take away their Christmas, then they will fight against those who they perceive is a thread. Some with immigration. "Those people who are coming into this country will take your jobs and are terrorists". Therefore, we must be VERY afraid of them.



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We'll never go back to pre-1965 again, if that's what you mean. Once the 1960's came, it was like a comet that had a lasting impact over decades, like a ripple effect. The ripples effect are still here today, even!

Same answer as your last thread on a similar topic: no. Like Carlos said, #metoo is a prime example of """SJW culture""" becoming an established part of mainstream culture, rather than some Internet niche. With the conservative-backed diddler losing in Alabama yesterday of all places, the movement is yet to reach its zénith.

We did since 2013 when guys started wearing their hair short again and not like mops or the emo style. Other than that, Trump being president had something to do with it - it's made the anti-SJWs right even though the electoral college helped him win, which he stood against.

We'll never go back to pre-1965 again, if that's what you mean. Once the 1960's came, it was like a comet that had a lasting impact over decades, like a ripple effect. The ripples effect are still here today, even!

I'm worried we may as well. Racism still isn't popular, but religious fundamentalism looks like it is, considering Daesh's influence.

We did since 2013 when guys started wearing their hair short again and not like mops or the emo style.


You've mentioned this before, but honestly I don't think t's an indicator of anything. It's too niche.  Back in the monoculture days in the 60s and 70s everybody had long hair to the point that even conservative guys started having longer hair than they used to. Suit and tie newscasters started having long hair and sideburns, for example. Then in the 80s everybody, conservative and liberal, cut their hair. The pendulum had swung and long hair was no longer a "statement". After all, in the late 70s the punks cut their hair as a statement against hippies and 60s values (and the 70s extension of them),  and some punks saw themselves as far more radical than the hippies and I guess some punks saw themselves as more conservative. But at that point hair stopped meaning anything and never really was much of a political statement again and only a fashion statement. Some really conservative guys had long hair. (some bikers come to mind), Some open hippie types had short hair (Steve Jobs, MAYBE).  So if in the early 2010s there were some "emo" types with emo hair and a few moptops who turned around and cut it a few years later I don't see this as a political indicator of anything. A fashion statement maybe, but that's about all.

Conservative with money.  :-X  :-X  :-X

You've mentioned this before, but honestly I don't think t's an indicator of anything. It's too niche.  Back in the monoculture days in the 60s and 70s everybody had long hair to the point that even conservative guys started having longer hair than they used to. Suit and tie newscasters started having long hair and sideburns, for example. Then in the 80s everybody, conservative and liberal, cut their hair. The pendulum had swung and long hair was no longer a "statement". After all, in the late 70s the punks cut their hair as a statement against hippies and 60s values (and the 70s extension of them),  and some punks saw themselves as far more radical than the hippies and I guess some punks saw themselves as more conservative. But at that point hair stopped meaning anything and never really was much of a political statement again and only a fashion statement. Some really conservative guys had long hair. (some bikers come to mind), Some open hippie types had short hair (Steve Jobs, MAYBE).  So if in the early 2010s there were some "emo" types with emo hair and a few moptops who turned around and cut it a few years later I don't see this as a political indicator of anything. A fashion statement maybe, but that's about all.
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I'm not sure how punks would see themselves as more conservative.

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I'm not sure how punks would see themselves as more conservative.


Lots of ways. Many were against all drugs or any kind of legalization. Bands like Agnostic Front were "anti-welfare state". Even Joey Ramone himself described himself as a "Nixon Republican" and his politics as "ultraconservative". Keep in mind, punk was a reaction against hippies and liberal, leftist 60s values, so of course it would shift towards conservatism in some ways.

I'm worried we may as well. Racism still isn't popular, but religious fundamentalism looks like it is, considering Daesh's influence.


Thank God!  :-X  :-X  :-X

Thank God!  :-X :-X :-X

I'm paranoid that that might change.

I hope so so it goes back to like the 2000s. Not the negative aspects and hate associated with conservative culture though. But more like where people aren't offended by everything anymore and non-politically correct jokes are allowed.

I sure hope not :-X.
The newer generation seems to be a lot more open minded than the previous generations, so I don’t really think so.

I hope so so it goes back to like the 2000s. Not the negative aspects and hate associated with conservative culture though. But more like where people aren't offended by everything anymore and non-politically correct jokes are allowed.


I think it will, and like the 1980's. In many ways Donald Trump is not too different from Ronald Reagan. He says how he feels. People loved Reagan back then. I'm sure if Reagan had a smartphone and Twitter account back then, he would have tweeted about how Russia would have been gone with the push of a button. He might have also tweeted, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!".

I think we're going back to a more conservative culture not completely but somewhat. I'm seeing a lot of backlash against sjws and feminism now and there's more wartime tv shows now.


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This country has always been somewhat conservative. However, as things start getting more progressive, there are many on the right who sees that as a threat and is trying to make people afraid of change. "The war on Christmas" is one example. There is NO war but if those on the right can make people THINK that those on the left will take away their Christmas, then they will fight against those who they perceive is a thread. Some with immigration. "Those people who are coming into this country will take your jobs and are terrorists". Therefore, we must be VERY afraid of them.



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I think its more of things need to be balanced, you cant have  90 % sjws, and  20% people who just want a simple values life.
And you can't have 90% conservative and only 20% sjw, there has to be a balance, and it the age of  " anything is offensive" things are way out of balance. 

Same answer as your last thread on a similar topic: no. Like Carlos said, #metoo is a prime example of """SJW culture""" becoming an established part of mainstream culture, rather than some Internet niche. With the conservative-backed diddler losing in Alabama yesterday of all places, the movement is yet to reach its zénith.


A few #metoo'rs have actually been recently exposed about lying, this is going to open up a whole new can of worms.
Few bad apples are already using it to their advantage.

https://www.dangerous.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Emily-Lindin-the-Wise.jpg


There is already a group on twitter trying to plot to bring down Bernie Sanders with fake rape allegations

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I sure hope not :-X.
The newer generation seems to be a lot more open minded than the previous generations, so I don’t really think so.

Not sure about that. The rapidly expanding millions of people who watch alt-right/alt-lite videos by Paul Joseph Watson, Lauren Southern, Milo Yiannopoulos, Richard Spencer, Stefan Molyneux, etc. as well as the people who call themselves "fashy goys", and those who adopt the insult culture of Trump, are by and large Gen Z teens, and they call themselves "Gen Zyklon". Yet on the other hand, a large portion of young socialists who support Bernie Sanders are Gen Z as well. The younger generation, if anything, will be very divided between left and right, I predict.

We live in an age of pick the news you want, and this has created echo chambers where people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see- both on the far right and left. Maybe this has made it difficult to get a true feel overall of who we are and what we want (in the USA, at least). The issue is the loudest voices in the room are the extremists.


Racism still isn't popular...

Racism has always been.  If anything, recent events have made it painfully obvious that it hasn't been squashed yet-there is still work to do, and a lot of it.

I don't even know what the conservative moment stands for anymore.
Some argue that conservatism is just another form of libertarianism: limited government and strict adherence to the Constitution. If this is the case, then I might as well (somewhat) identify with the movement. We need to follow in Jeffersonian footsteps. Place an emphasis on equal legal rights, transparency and maximum individual liberty.

But most so-called "conservatives" do not care about those ideals. They are merely reactionaries, war hawks and radical nationalists. Invade foreign nations merely to expand our "empire" (and kill thousands of innocents in the process), suppress LGBT rights, suppress free speech, perpetuate the ever-costly War On Drugs, restrict reproductive rights for women, tax cuts for the 1%, let predatory corporations run amok, etc.
I assume that THIS is what you mean by a "more conservative culture". In which case, I don't want to see us head in that direction. To the point where Thomas, Benjamin, Alexander and George would be spinning in their graves.
There is nothing remotely populist, libertarian or Constitutionalist about the neoconservative moment. They have blood on their hands. And not only do they dominate the Republican Party, but it seems as though the leadership of the Democratic Party is also being steered and manipulated by this nefarious bunch.

I don't even know what the conservative moment stands for anymore.
Some argue that conservatism is just another form of libertarianism: limited government and strict adherence to the Constitution. If this is the case, then I might as well (somewhat) identify with the movement. We need to follow in Jeffersonian footsteps. Place an emphasis on equal legal rights, transparency and maximum individual liberty.

But most so-called "conservatives" do not care about those ideals. They are merely reactionaries, war hawks and radical nationalists. Invade foreign nations merely to expand our "empire" (and kill thousands of innocents in the process), suppress LGBT rights, suppress free speech, perpetuate the ever-costly War On Drugs, restrict reproductive rights for women, tax cuts for the 1%, let predatory corporations run amok, etc.
I assume that THIS is what you mean by a "more conservative culture". In which case, I don't want to see us head in that direction. To the point where Thomas, Benjamin, Alexander and George would be spinning in their graves.
There is nothing remotely populist, libertarian or Constitutionalist about the neoconservative moment. They have blood on their hands. And not only do they dominate the Republican Party, but it seems as though the leadership of the Democratic Party is also being steered and manipulated by this nefarious bunch.

Conservative culture is mainly about family values and older traditions. It includes limited sexualization, modest dressing, preference for traditional gender roles, and older ways of life and traditional ideals. It is opposed to certain liberal movements like the LGBT movement, feminism, sexualization, etc. This is the basic definition for it which isn't the political definition because politically there can be many definitions for it and it is different (for example fiscal conservatism is a different ideology and does not relate to social conservatism)

Truthfully I don't care what movement comes next just as long as this political identity politics mumbo jumbo dies off once and for all. I'm sick of seeing users on YouTube comments with a map on where they are on the political spectrum and acting like they are politicians just because it is the 'in' thing to do today, whether they are liberal or conservative, both of them preaching gets annoying.  :P I swear it wasn't like this a mere 3 years ago. I want it to stop!

I think 2017 is more liberal than 2016.

I think 2017 is more liberal than 2016.


Do you think that the first half of 2017 was less liberal than the latter half?

Do you think that the first half of 2017 was less liberal than the latter half?


I'm not sure. Maybe it's about the same? I think Charlottesville could have been an eye-opener for some people. But mainly, you can compare Time's 2017 Person of the Year in #metoo vs. Time's 2016 Person of the Year in Donald Trump. And also, the rise of Jeremy Corbyn in the UK shifted the tone there big time.

I'm not sure. Maybe it's about the same? I think Charlottesville could have been an eye-opener for some people. But mainly, you can compare Time's 2017 Person of the Year in #metoo vs. Time's 2016 Person of the Year in Donald Trump. And also, the rise of Jeremy Corbyn in the UK shifted the tone there big time.


True. But Trump still got runner up this year mainly due to his constant polarized presidency. In all honesty, if it weren't for the #metoo movement, Trump could've won Time Person of the Year in 2017 easily.

I don't see it TRULY taking off until late 2018-2019 when the core 2010s are done with. Now I could be wrong here, but more than likely it may transpire.

I don't see it TRULY taking off until late 2018-2019 when the core 2010s are done with. Now I could be wrong here, but more than likely it may transpire.

Eazy, I have a question. When you interact with people born in the late 90s/early 2000s, do they seem significantly more conservative, as some people are hyping them up as?

Eazy, I have a question. When you interact with people born in the late 90s/early 2000s, do they seem significantly more conservative, as some people are hyping them up as?

Well...let's just say I have actually seen them conduct themselves A LOT more maturely than my people may age range and UP.
Although I do have one story, at my job there were A LOT of young workers who were born in 1999 and they were pretty DAMN conservative, also they were BIG Trump supporters. I also work/worked at a blue collar business so that may play a role. But from interacting with them they definitely weren't feeling the whole leftist movement of the previous era.