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Subject: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Philip Eno on 12/13/17 at 3:07 am

"Rousing." "Thrilling." "Addictively bold." Just a few of the superlatives the critics are using to describe the latest film in the Star Wars saga. The Last Jedi, writes the Telegraph, is "enormous fun" and "will leave fans beaming with surprise". The Guardian calls it "an explosive sugar rush of spectacle" possessing "a tidal wave of energy and emotion". Variety, though, swims against the tide, describing it as "the longest and least essential chapter in the series". Rian Johnson's film, says Peter Debruge, is "ultimately a disappointment" that "gives in to the same winking self-parody that is poisoning other franchises of late." Writing in The Verge, Tasha Robinson tends to agree: "Audiences will likely come away from The Last Jedi with a lot of complaints and questions." Released in the UK on Thursday, The Last Jedi sees Mark Hamill and the late Carrie Fisher reprise their roles as Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42327904

Subject: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Dude111 on 12/13/17 at 12:15 pm

I really have NO CLUE why any of the original cast WANTED ANYTHING TO DO with Star wars after what GEORGE IDIOT did to it!!!!!!!

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: annimal on 12/13/17 at 6:01 pm

I've seen enough with 4,5, and 6

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/14/17 at 3:34 pm

Ugh, I accidentally read a spoiler on Reddit. It isn't a major one, but it was unexpected for me.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Philip Eno on 12/14/17 at 3:50 pm


I've seen enough with 4,5, and 6
I only enjoyed "The New Hope"

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: annimal on 12/14/17 at 4:30 pm

I didn't say I enjoyed them, I just said I had enough by then

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Lizardmatum on 12/14/17 at 4:44 pm

I personally feel that Star Wars A new Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of the Jedi are the only necessary ones really. This sequel trilogy feels like a cash grab and too modern and serious, lacks the inherent fun cheesiness of the originals so far anyway. Having said i'll still see the next two just out of curiosity.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: annimal on 12/14/17 at 5:03 pm

your eyes can deceive you.  Don't trust them

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/14/17 at 6:02 pm


Ugh, I accidentally read a spoiler on Reddit. It isn't a major one, but it was unexpected for me.


Was it a good twist? Don't tell me what it is, but was it a good one?

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/14/17 at 7:14 pm


Was it a good twist? Don't tell me what it is, but was it a good one?


It wasn't a twist, it was just a spoiler. So it's not really something I could describe as good or bad, really.

Subject: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Dude111 on 12/15/17 at 12:47 am

Does anyone else besides me have NO INTEREST in seeing this??

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/15/17 at 1:14 am

I don't trust Rotten Tomatoes, I trust IMDb reviews more, and many of them are negative so far. They say the movie was slapdash and boring.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 90s Guy on 12/15/17 at 1:32 am

I like the first 6 and Rogue One. TFA felt like a sterile product and the new one (just saw it tonight) was all over the place and struggled to find a tone and quite frankly didn't make sense. It was on par with Attack of the Clones except somehow less authentic.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: mxcrashxm on 12/15/17 at 1:34 am


I like the first 6 and Rogue One. TFA felt like a sterile product and the new one (just saw it tonight) was all over the place and struggled to find a tone and quite frankly didn't make sense. It was on par with Attack of the Clones except somehow less authentic.
If you saw it, you must be from the East coast right?

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Howard on 12/15/17 at 7:39 am


Does anyone else besides me have NO INTEREST in seeing this??



Dude, I'll just stick to the old classic Star Wars.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: annimal on 12/15/17 at 12:32 pm


Does anyone else besides me have NO INTEREST in seeing this??


I don't really want to see it

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/15/17 at 6:58 pm

Saw it opening day and it was amazing :D!!!

I like the darker tone the film had in contrast to VII

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/15/17 at 11:05 pm

What is going on in 2017? Both the new Eminem album and the new Star Wars movie sucks.  :\'( I preferred Rogue One and Force Awakens a lot more.

That's another thing that separates the mid 2010s from the late 2010s, Star Wars movies that don't suck.  :P

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/15/17 at 11:52 pm


What is going on in 2017? Both the new Eminem album and the new Star Wars movie sucks.  :\'( I preferred Rogue One and Force Awakens a lot more.

That's another thing that separates the mid 2010s from the late 2010s, Star Wars movies that don't suck.  :P


Why do you think the new star wars suck? Support your claim through spoilers, I'm genuinely curious cause I've heard this sentiment from a few people I know

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: superblyexhausted on 12/16/17 at 12:51 am


I trust IMDb reviews


I can literally not name a source I trust less. On "controversial" movies, the scores and comments are frequently skewed by people who have not seen the film in question. Perhaps professional criticism is a flawed conception of a meritocracy, but I find it infinitely preferable to just a mass of noise. (Although you can argue that Rotten Tomatoes just does the same thing to those reviews.)

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/16/17 at 12:54 am


Why do you think the new star wars suck? Support your claim through spoilers, I'm genuinely curious cause I've heard this sentiment from a few people I know

Ok spoilers below.
Plot holes, it felt all over the place, poor execution on the idea, poor editing and jump cuts, too much cheesy humour and they ruined Luke Skywalker's character and the direction in where they went with that was not good. I did not like the Leia scene when she was floating in space and surviving it, they should have killed her off there. Killing off Snoke without us knowing who he is was a bad choice. Still not answering any questions we've had from the first movie. This was one of the worst Star Wars movies ever in my opinion, worse than some of the prequels. And I loved the Force Awakens.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/16/17 at 9:03 am

I'm not that big of a Star Wars fan so I'll read all you guys/girls' spoilers!  :)

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/16/17 at 10:08 am


Ok spoilers below.
Plot holes, it felt all over the place, poor execution on the idea, poor editing and jump cuts, too much cheesy humour and they ruined Luke Skywalker's character and the direction in where they went with that was not good. I did not like the Leia scene when she was floating in space and surviving it, they should have killed her off there. Killing off Snoke without us knowing who he is was a bad choice. Still not answering any questions we've had from the first movie. This was one of the worst Star Wars movies ever in my opinion, worse than some of the prequels. And I loved the Force Awakens.


For the curious, this is the spoiler I mentioned accidentally reading earlier.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/16/17 at 10:57 am


Ok spoilers below.
Plot holes, it felt all over the place, poor execution on the idea, poor editing and jump cuts, too much cheesy humour and they ruined Luke Skywalker's character and the direction in where they went with that was not good. I did not like the Leia scene when she was floating in space and surviving it, they should have killed her off there. Killing off Snoke without us knowing who he is was a bad choice. Still not answering any questions we've had from the first movie. This was one of the worst Star Wars movies ever in my opinion, worse than some of the prequels. And I loved the Force Awakens.


There were some plot holes that I noticed as well (like how Luke was able to physically hand over the beads to Leia, despite being in his ghost form), the humor I actually liked a lot, I like the overall dark tone they went with in this movie, however, I noticed that the movie was really slow/borderline boring during the 2nd act of it (the Flyn & Rose excursions at the casino comes to mind, I felt this scene was utterly pointless), there wasn't enough lightsaber battles (in fact I don't even remember their being a lightsaber battle between Rey & Kylo, or with Kylo & Luke), and I agree that they should've (out of respect) killed off Leia's character

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: violet_shy on 12/16/17 at 12:06 pm

I'm going to see this film Monday with Lee. So, I'm not reading the spoilers.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: ZeldaFan20 on 12/16/17 at 12:58 pm


I'm going to see this film Monday with Lee. So, I'm not reading the spoilers.


Good job! Yeah IMO the movie is pretty good, just some plot holes and personal grievances with the film :).

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/16/17 at 3:12 pm

It's got the lowest audience score on Rotten Tomatoes of all the SW movies, and is dividing audiences sharply with some loving it and others hating it. Now I've got to see it.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Howard on 12/16/17 at 3:27 pm


It's got the lowest audience score on Rotten Tomatoes of all the SW movies, and is dividing audiences sharply with some loving it and others hating it. Now I've got to see it.


This is why the classic ones rule!

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/17/17 at 9:10 am

The movie was fine. It had some truly amazing moments - which could have permanently changed the course of the franchise in a really positive way - that were dragged down by what I can only assume was Disney's executive meddling in order to give it "mass appeal."

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/17/17 at 3:17 pm

This is actually the worst Star Wars movie in my opinion. Even worse than the Attack of the Clones and I thought no movie would ever be worse than that. I have no idea how this could happen, the Force Awakens was honestly a really good movie and it actually felt like Star Wars. Sure it mirrored A New Hope but I enjoyed it because it was familiar, the direction of the movie was good, it had a strong plot, and it felt like a Star Wars movie. The Last Jedi to me ruined Star Wars for me.  :\'( I know a lot of people enjoyed it though. While we are on this topic, I will list my favourites in order:

1. Empire Stirkes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Force Awakens
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge of the Sith
7. Phantom Menace
8. Attack of the Clones
9. The Last Jedi

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/17/17 at 5:27 pm

I saw it just and now and it bored me to tears.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/18/17 at 4:01 pm


Saw it opening day and it was amazing :D!!!

I like the darker tone the film had in contrast to VII

You're a very generous man Zelda, more generous than I. The Last Jedi to me ruined my favorite characters and put me to sleep. Nothing interesting or of substance happened; the training sequences with Rey had no substance, Luke was reduced to a cowardly scumbag, Snoke died without any development or any truly cool villainous actions, the subplot with Finn and Rose went nowhere, there's barely any character development, we never learn about how the New Republic was founded, how it fell, how Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, how Luke failed the Jedi, so we're never really invested in these characters (also a problem with TFA), etc.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/18/17 at 4:02 pm


You're a very generous man Zelda, more generous than I. The Last Jedi to me ruined my favorite characters and put me to sleep.

I also fell asleep during the middle portion. The movie was garbage from start to finish.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/18/17 at 4:17 pm


I also fell asleep during the middle portion. The movie was garbage from start to finish.

The big problem with these new movies is that they skipped over 30 years of everything interesting (how the New Republic was founded, how it fell, how Kylo Ren turned to the Dark Side, how Luke failed the Jedi, etc.) so I never really care about these characters and their situation, because they're namedropping all this stuff that they never explain or elaborate on. Instead what we get is basically the same setting as the original trilogy but with Marvel-esque cringe humor.

They might have explained the interesting stuff in the rebooted EU books or comics or cartoons or something; great, to fully enjoy something, I have to look at something else instead? Hmmm, sounds familiar... sounds like the prequels in fact.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: bchris02 on 12/18/17 at 5:41 pm

Yeah the Last Jedi pretty much ruined Star Wars for me.  So much so that I now only consider 1-6 (and Rogue One) to be canon.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/18/17 at 7:19 pm


Yeah the Last Jedi pretty much ruined Star Wars for me.  So much so that I now only consider 1-6 (and Rogue One) to be canon.

I liked epusode 7 it was an awesome movie. I hated the prequels.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Zelek3 on 12/18/17 at 7:45 pm


I liked epusode 7 it was an awesome movie. I hated the prequels.

The prequels were not great but to me, you could tell George Lucas poured his heart into them, despite the flawed execution. With The Last Jedi I don't feel any heart our soul.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/18/17 at 8:06 pm

One thing is clear to me: Disney should not have been the one to buy Lucasfilm.

Subject: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Dude111 on 12/19/17 at 1:22 pm

Yeah the Last Jedi pretty much ruined Star Wars for me.  So much so that I now only consider 1-6 (and Rogue One) to be canon.

I only like 4-6 (Originals)

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: violet_shy on 12/19/17 at 2:15 pm

Saw it yesterday with Lee. It was amazing! I loved it.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/28/17 at 9:18 pm

I think some men don't like the idea of a female Jedi as the lead.  :-X  :-X  :-X

I loved the movie. Just saw it about two hours ago! One of the best in the whole series!

I gotta side with the Social Progressives on this one. Nothing wrong with promoting diversity, it wasn't
like they were 'shoving diversity' in our faces during the film! People are so dramatic sometimes.  ;D  ;D  ;D

There was what? A black male, an Asian female, and a group of women ruling over a ship! Well Gee, they're
so blatant, aggressive, and shoving social justice in our faces! The movie was fine. I'm not on anyone's side, politically.

Some people need to take a Xanax and chill!  8)  8)  8)

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Lizardmatum on 12/30/17 at 9:56 am

After having seen it and it settling in my mind a bit. I really don't like how they wrote Luke in this movie.  He was always my favorite character and I think they ruined him personally. That's my biggest complaint anyway.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: John Titor on 12/30/17 at 10:30 am


I think some men don't like the idea of a female Jedi as the lead.  :-X  :-X  :-X

I loved the movie. Just saw it about two hours ago! One of the best in the whole series!

I gotta side with the Social Progressives on this one. Nothing wrong with promoting diversity, it wasn't
like they were 'shoving diversity' in our faces during the film! People are so dramatic sometimes.  ;D  ;D  ;D

There was what? A black male, an Asian female, and a group of women ruling over a ship! Well Gee, they're
so blatant, aggressive, and shoving social justice in our faces! The movie was fine. I'm not on anyone's side, politically.

Some people need to take a Xanax and chill!  8)  8)  8)


There writers of the last jedi are all  man hating feminists excluding  R Johnson lol

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZNu2GSMXk2o/maxresdefault.jpg

There was a type of  "agenda this movie was trying to push"  Loved Rey as the female lead, wasn't big on Rogue One, but that Woman as the lead
was good as well,  but then I noticed they started treating the female characters in the last jedi at the expensive of making the male characters look
weak, it was not equal at all. Not to mention The SJW Vice style purple hair on that commander.


After looking at someone of the things the writers on THE LAST JEDI like, I noticed an overwhelming amount of anti male tweets, and enormous
amount of pro feminist pages. Just saying........ There was an agenda with this movie lol

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/30/17 at 10:49 am


There writers of the last jedi are all  man hating feminists excluding  R Johnson lol

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZNu2GSMXk2o/maxresdefault.jpg

There was a type of  "agenda this movie was trying to push"  Loved Rey as the female lead, wasn't big on Rogue One, but that Woman as the lead
was good as well,  but then I noticed they started treating the female characters in the last jedi at the expensive of making the male characters look
weak, it was not equal at all. Not to mention The SJW Vice style purple hair on that commander.


After looking at someone of the things the writers on THE LAST JEDI like, I noticed an overwhelming amount of anti male tweets, and enormous
amount of pro feminist pages. Just saying........ There was an agenda with this movie lol


I've met girls like that at school before. They blame all boys/men and never take responsibility for their part of bringing down their relationship with a man. It's always somebody else's fault! It's always fully the man's fault!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I also noticed the anti-Capitalist, vegan, and pro-animal rights message in the movie, now that I look at the details of the movie. Way to push your political agenda down our throats!  ::)  ::)  ::)

But yet Disney is using Capitalism to make $$$$$ from this film.  :-X  :-X  :-X

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/30/17 at 1:39 pm

I still like the film. It was great. I don't have to read too deep into something, if I don't want.

Luke was kind of cranky, but it was funny, so I don't mind it!  ;D

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LooseBolt on 12/30/17 at 4:17 pm


I've met girls like that at school before. They blame all boys/men and never take responsibility for their part of bringing down their relationship with a man. It's always somebody else's fault! It's always fully the man's fault!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I also noticed the anti-Capitalist, vegan, and pro-animal rights message in the movie, now that I look at the details of the movie. Way to push your political agenda down our throats!  ::)  ::)  ::)

But yet Disney is using Capitalism to make $$$$$ from this film.  :-X  :-X  :-X


I'd say that's more a human thing than a male-female thing. Guys do it all the time too, whether in relationships, work, or their personal achievements. Women do it for the same reasons. Because it's a human thing. The person who is willing to take responsibility for their own failures is a rare bird.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/30/17 at 4:21 pm


I'd say that's more a human thing than a male-female thing. Guys do it all the time too, whether in relationships, work, or their personal achievements. Women do it for the same reasons. Because it's a human thing. The person who is willing to take responsibility for their own failures is a rare bird.


I actually agree. Men/boys do it too.  ;D

It's just that since the person replying was talking about Feminism and Star Wars.  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Emman on 12/30/17 at 5:28 pm



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZNu2GSMXk2o/maxresdefault.jpg



Where's the diversity?  ::) I mean these enlightened SJW/feminists go on and on about unequal representation and more inclusion, where's the black female or disabled transwoman.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: LyricBoy on 12/30/17 at 5:34 pm


Where's the diversity?  ::) I mean these enlightened SJW/feminists go on and on about unequal representation and more inclusion, where's the black female or disabled transwoman.


No asians either.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: 80sfan on 12/30/17 at 5:46 pm


No asians either.


;D 

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: Slim95 on 12/30/17 at 8:57 pm

Why are people saying there was a liberal and vegan agenda in the new Star Wars film?  ??? If this is the case (I did not notice this and I don't think it's ture) then it's simply a case of those concepts are popular now so they want to make money from them. So if they can put some ideas in to please vegans or what not they will make more money off of them, simple as that. Although I don't understand the anti-capitalist one. I don't know where people got that idea from but whatever haha. Either way the movie was my least favourite in the entire saga. It ruined Star Wars for me, thanks Disney, Johnson, and Kennedy.

Subject: Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi has critics in raptures

Written By: John Titor on 12/30/17 at 9:48 pm


Why are people saying there was a liberal and vegan agenda in the new Star Wars film?  ??? If this is the case (I did not notice this and I don't think it's ture) then it's simply a case of those concepts are popular now so they want to make money from them. So if they can put some ideas in to please vegans or what not they will make more money off of them, simple as that. Although I don't understand the anti-capitalist one. I don't know where people got that idea from but whatever haha. Either way the movie was my least favourite in the entire saga. It ruined Star Wars for me, thanks Disney, Johnson, and Kennedy.



did you not see the pic I posted lol

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZNu2GSMXk2o/maxresdefault.jpg

Rey, Rogue One etc etc (tho I like Rey ) they are going overboard on making poe look like a stereotypical  (Grrr Woman should be only womanly ) fool

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