I know we already shifted into late 10s culture in 2016-2017 but do the late 10s actually have an identity yet like it seemed like the early and mid 10s identities were established pretty quick.We could be just starting to really transition but I doubt it or 2018 will have the late 10s culture established because right now pop culture feels like it doesn't know where to head.I mean we have the late 10s pieces in place but there not well established yet or it seems to me there not like the music even still seems mid 10s.Even though some of you say music is late 10s now,well I don't see it it all feels like an extension of 2013-2016s music.So do the the late 10s have an identity yet.Thanks for answering. :)

It will closer to August/Fall2018. Right now it dosen't seem to head everywhere. Culture is still an extention of 2013-2016 music as you said.
It's likely that we'll shift around mid-late 2018. That's when it seems to change. And the transition to the 2020s start.

ANSWER;They don't have an identity yet, but will soon.

I don't believe trap rap was as popular as now a couple of years ago? That could be considered late 10s. 2016 was very transitional though. I feel like a huge cultural shift happened last year with the election and all, but we just don't realize it yet.

Not yet. We should expect to have late '10s culture in full swing by mid/late 2018.

Not yet. We should expect to have late '10s culture in full swing by mid/late 2018.
yeah I was thinking that mid/late 2018 could be the transition too and if it is boy I see it being very exciting,especially if we transition to some kind of cool entertaining culture.

Too early to say?

I say by next year it will.

Not yet. It wouldn't shock me if there isn't a late 2010's until 2019.

Not yet. It wouldn't shock me if there isn't a late 2010's until 2019.

But wouldn't it be considered part of 2020s culture by then and not late 2010s? Kinda like how 1999 is considered 2000s 2009 is considered 10s by a lot of people.

Yeah the identity is Trump and Brexit and Nintendo Switch. The mid-2010s didn't have any of this stuff.

But wouldn't it be considered part of 2020s culture by then and not late 2010s? Kinda like how 1999 is considered 2000s 2009 is considered 10s by a lot of people.


Interesting. 2019 could be a sub era, like 1979 to 1982. Or 1997 to 2001.

Yeah the identity is Trump and Brexit and Nintendo Switch. The mid-2010s didn't have any of this stuff.


Who's this Trump you speak of?

http://abload.de/img/theouyaneybv.gif

Interesting. 2019 could be a sub era, like 1979 to 1982. Or 1997 to 2001.


I think 2019/2020 will be its own transitional era. The last two Trump years.

I explained why here, sad that no one else had anything to say ;D http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=56520.0

Yes the late 2010s do have a solid identity. Late '10s style EDM, new artists, superhero movies, new shows, Donald Trump, bezeless smartphones, fidget spinners are all late 2010s stuff that started in 2016. The identity of the late 2010s is as strong now as the the identity for thr mid '10s was. I don't understand people who are saying not until 2018, we are in the late 2010s now and have been for over a year for crying out loud!

Not yet. It wouldn't shock me if there isn't a late 2010's until 2019.

We are in late 2010s culture now in terms of everything from music, TV, movies, culture, technology, and politics and have been since 2016....

I say by next year it will.

It already has.. We are in a strong late 2010s identity now and actually reaching peak late 2010s culture. 2019 will be about the early '20s culture I bet.

I don't believe trap rap was as popular as now a couple of years ago? That could be considered late 10s. 2016 was very transitional though. I feel like a huge cultural shift happened last year with the election and all, but we just don't realize it yet.

Exactly. Mumble rap specifically is the late '10s trend but you're right trap is even more popular now than in thr mid '10s. I look at trap as a general core 2010s decade trend.


Not yet. We should expect to have late '10s culture in full swing by mid/late 2018.

No we are already solidly in late '10s culture now and have been for a while.


It will closer to August/Fall2018. Right now it dosen't seem to head everywhere. Culture is still an extention of 2013-2016 music as you said.
It's likely that we'll shift around mid-late 2018. That's when it seems to change. And the transition to the 2020s start.

ANSWER;They don't have an identity yet, but will soon.

Fall of 2018 will be the start of early '20s culture, or at least the start to the transition of early '20s culture. By then the late '10s will be past its peak.

You guys have been living in the late 2010s for over a year now and haven't even noticed it.  ;D 2016 was a transitional year.

Slim95 is right. We are the late '10s now. The late '10s are the time of Donald Trump, Stranger Things, Alessia Cara, fidget spinners, and the last films of the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

Not yet. It wouldn't shock me if there isn't a late 2010's until 2019.
so if it starts at 2019 how long would the late 10s last.

so if it starts at 2019 how long would the late 10s last.

If it started that late then it would probably last for like one second  ;D ;D

Not yet. It wouldn't shock me if there isn't a late 2010's until 2019.


That would mean that the late 2010s lasts less than one year before the 2020s transition. That's nonsensical.

I hate to keep running over an argument others have made, but I firmly believe we quite forcibly entered the late 2010s transition on November 9, 2016. The case could even be made that it started sooner than that.

That would mean that the late 2010s lasts less than one year before the 2020s transition. That's nonsensical.

I hate to keep running over an argument others have made, but I firmly believe we quite forcibly entered the late 2010s transition on November 9, 2016. The case could even be made that it started sooner than that.

Yeah I agree. I didn't see it while 2016 was happening but now that I look back I do see a transition that year especially with Trump getting elected and all that. It will probably be more apparent after time.

But wouldn't it be considered part of 2020s culture by then and not late 2010s? Kinda like how 1999 is considered 2000s 2009 is considered 10s by a lot of people.


It depends.  Sometimes the previous decade bleeds into the next one.  We saw this when transitioning from the 80s to the 90s.  It wasn't until 1991 that we really got into the '90s and even then, it took until 1993 for the echoes of the '80s to fade completely.

I think the late '10s have their identity.  Music hasn't changed much but it is getting more danceable and catchy again.  This era however is mostly defined by the political polarization and the incompetence of Donald Trump.  2014 seems downright tame politically compared to this.

2016 was a transitional year.

This is a transitional period we can both more or less agree on. I sensed pop culture was evolving by late 2016 with the end of early 2010s tv shows, politics and social media. I'd say late 2010s culture will be more clear come mid 2018, but 2016 was definitely a turning point.

It depends.  Sometimes the previous decade bleeds into the next one.  We saw this when transitioning from the 80s to the 90s.  It wasn't until 1991 that we really got into the '90s and even then, it took until 1993 for the echoes of the '80s to fade completely.

I think the late '10s have their identity.  Music hasn't changed much but it is getting more danceable and catchy again.  This era however is mostly defined by the political polarization and the incompetence of Donald Trump.  2014 seems downright tame politically compared to this.

I think music has changed. Mid '10s teen pop is gone and music sounds more electronic now. A lot more screwy vocal effects. Even trap rap has become more like mumble rap and it is even more popular than it was in the mid '10s (but trap in general is a core '10s genre). I don't think music is more danceable, it's just more over-produced and synthesized which isn't good. It's still slow like it was in 2016 though. Late '10s EDM started in 2016 with the Chainsmokers being constantly on the radio and Justin Bieber releasing his new album and I hate that sound. You can't dance to anything that is on the radio now, but in 2011 you could have danced to many songs. I feel like more catchy songs came out in the mid '10s too, but in 2017 the only catchy song that came out was Despacito (sorta catchy, not as good as Uptown Funk though) and everything else in terms of music has been bad this year for the most part. 2016 was transitional for music.

Music and politics has definitely changed. Technology, culture, movies, and TV has also changed since the mid 2010s. But the only thing that has been the same since the mid 2010s to me is fashion. Then again I don't pay attention to fashion but it really doesn't seem that different from either the mid 2010s. It's even similar to the early 2010s though the early '10s had the trend where clothing was more bright and colourful.

It depends.  Sometimes the previous decade bleeds into the next one.  We saw this when transitioning from the 80s to the 90s.  It wasn't until 1991 that we really got into the '90s and even then, it took until 1993 for the echoes of the '80s to fade completely.

I think the late '10s have their identity.  Music hasn't changed much but it is getting more danceable and catchy again.  This era however is mostly defined by the political polarization and the incompetence of Donald Trump.  2014 seems downright tame politically compared to this.
music isn't getting catchy again and it probably won't improve until about 2022 or 2023 hopefully 2 or 3 Years earlier tho.

music isn't getting catchy again and it probably won't improve until about 2022 or 2023 hopefully 2 or 3 Years earlier tho.

Whether or not music is catchy is entirely subjective.
Anyway, to answer the question to this thread, the late 2010’s still haven’t developed a full identity. We aren’t even halfway through it yet. We need to see how 2018 and 2018 will turn out, and there will probably still be some late 2010’s influences around by 2020.

Whether or not music is catchy is entirely subjective.
Anyway, to answer the question to this thread, the late 2010’s still haven’t developed a full identity. We aren’t even halfway through it yet. We need to see how 2018 and 2018 will turn out, and there will probably still be some late 2010’s influences around by 2020.
But to be honest instead of all this catchy music we've been getting let's get some good actuall not over produced songs with good production and lyrics now that would sound good.  :D

Sometimes the previous decade bleeds into the next one.

I think I hear what you're saying. The new culture introduced in one age spills into the next one. Take the '90s for example. The '90s were made up of '80s/'90s TV shows (i.e.- Growing Pains) and '90s/'00s TV shows (i.e.- Buffy the Vampire Slayer). There were some programs that were introduced and cancelled in '90s like Clarissa Explains It All, but they were far and few in between.

We saw this when transitioning from the 80s to the 90s. It wasn't until 1991 that we really got into the '90s


1990 was the first year of the 1990s novennium, not '91. "It's the '90s now-get with it" was first uttered in 1990 by people who celebrated the present and made fun of the past. No one said that in the 1980s.

it took until 1993 for the echoes of the '80s to fade completely.

What do you mean by that? ???

Whether or not music is catchy is entirely subjective.
Anyway, to answer the question to this thread, the late 2010’s still haven’t developed a full identity. We aren’t even halfway through it yet. We need to see how 2018 and 2018 will turn out, and there will probably still be some late 2010’s influences around by 2020.

Yes they have developed an identity... We are in peak late 2010s culture at this moment.

Yes they have developed an identity... We are in peak late 2010s culture at this moment.


I don't think you can say that yet. 2018 can bring in a completely new culture and we can have new artists coming in. If so, I would consider 2018 (or even 2019) to be peak late 2010s. Even 2020 can be peak late 2010s, but that's getting a bit too decade-ologic ;D

I don't think you can say that yet. 2018 can bring in a completely new culture and we can have new artists coming in. If so, I would consider 2018 (or even 2019) to be peak late 2010s. Even 2020 can be peak late 2010s, but that's getting a bit too decade-ologic ;D

The new culture 2018 will bring will be early 2020s culture, not late '10s culture... That's why we are in the peak of late 2010s now. This culture will last next year then probably by late next year we will be in the early 2020s culture if 2018 is a transitional year. We've been in peak late 2010s culture for a while now and if there are changes next year, that will further prove we are in peak late '10s culture now if it starts fading away and getting replaced with early '20s culture. The late 2010s started around 2016 and will most likely last until late 2018.

The new culture 2018 will bring will be early 2020s culture, not late '10s culture... That's why we are in the peak of late 2010s now. This culture will last next year then probably by late next year we will be in the early 2020s culture if 2018 is a transitional year. We've been in peak late 2010s culture for a while now and if there are changes next year, that will further prove we are in peak late '10s culture now if it starts fading away and getting replaced with early '20s culture. The late 2010s started around 2016 and will most likely last until late 2018.


We're not even in the middle of the numerical late 2010s yet (that doesn't happen until spring 2018), if a new artist comes in and completely changes everything in January 2018 then 2017 can't be defining. Also how are you so sure things will stay the same until late 2018? ???

The new culture 2018 will bring will be early 2020s culture, not late '10s culture... That's why we are in the peak of late 2010s now. This culture will last next year then probably by late next year we will be in the early 2020s culture if 2018 is a transitional year. We've been in peak late 2010s culture for a while now and if there are changes next year, that will further prove we are in peak late '10s culture now if it starts fading away and getting replaced with early '20s culture. The late 2010s started around 2016 and will most likely last until late 2018.
2018 will probably be the first year that feels actuall different and it might bring a whole new style.

We're not even in the middle of the numerical late 2010s yet (that doesn't happen until spring 2018), if a new artist comes in and completely changes everything in January 2018 then 2017 can't be defining. Also how are you so sure things will stay the same until late 2018? ???

Late 2010s artists already came though. Artists like SZA, Khalid, Cardi B, Alessia Cara, Logic, Dua Lipa, and The Chainsmokers are all late 2010s.

We're not even in the middle of the numerical late 2010s yet (that doesn't happen until spring 2018), if a new artist comes in and completely changes everything in January 2018 then 2017 can't be defining. Also how are you so sure things will stay the same until late 2018? ???

Like okfx said, we are solidly in late 2010s culture because new artists already came in 2016 and this year and music has already changed... If music changes again next year, that will be early '20s culture transition and we would be out of the peak of the late 2010s culturally. We have been in late 2010s for a while now man. We are in solid late 2010s peak culture now and if there are many changes in 2018 (I think it will be) that will be the transition to early 2020s culture.

Late 2010s artists already came though. Artists like SZA, Khalid, Cardi B, Alessia Cara, Logic, Dua Lipa, and The Chainsmokers are all late 2010s.


And if those guys are irrelevant by 2018?


Like okfx said, we are solidly in late 2010s culture because new artists already came in 2016 and this year and music has already changed... If music changes again next year, that will be early '20s culture transition and we would be out of the peak of the late 2010s culturally. We have been in late 2010s for a while now man. We are in solid late 2010s peak culture now and if there are many changes in 2018 (I think it will be) that will be the transition to early 2020s culture.


Music hasn't changed all that much to be honest. A lot of those guys were popular in 2015 and they're building on sounds that were already popular. The main changes in the late 2010s are socio-political and some technological, things like music and aesthetics haven't changed too much. It will be interesting to see what 2018 brings. Not saying you're wrong btw, I just don't think you can say that this early. We're not halfway through the late 2010s yet, it's still too early to tell.

BTS, a K-pop band, is the first to reach #1 on itunes! A late 2010's shift?

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/11/bts-becomes-the-first-k-pop-group-to-reach-1-on-us-itunes-chart-with-mic-drop-remix

And if those guys are irrelevant by 2018?

By next month, you mean? That's extremely unlikely. But like Slim95 said, New artists next year will be more 2020s than 2010s. 2010s artists like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, Kayne West, and many more all had their first hits in 2007-2009. That means that even the artists I listed could be considered more 2020s than 2010s in the future.

And if those guys are irrelevant by 2018?

Music hasn't changed all that much to be honest. A lot of those guys were popular in 2015 and they're building on sounds that were already popular. The main changes in the late 2010s are socio-political and some technological, things like music and aesthetics haven't changed too much. It will be interesting to see what 2018 brings. Not saying you're wrong btw, I just don't think you can say that this early. We're not halfway through the late 2010s yet, it's still too early to tell.

Music has changed... We are in late 2010s music now and have been all year. I explained earlier the major differences between mid '10s and late '10s music. 2016 is when music has changed. If those artists are irrelevent in 2018, we won't be in peak late '10s culture anymore, we will be in the transition period to early '20s culture. But this would most likely happen by the end of next year, not next month. At the moment, we are in peak late 2010s culture from everything from music, culture, politics, etc.

By next month, you mean? That's extremely unlikely. But like Slim95 said, New artists next year will be more 2020s than 2010s. 2010s artists like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, Kayne West, and many more all had their first hits in 2007-2009. That means that even the artists I listed could be considered more 2020s than 2010s in the future.


Those guys had one or two hits in the late 2000s but they weren't considered mega-stars until the 2010s. Also Kanye and Rihanna were pretty big in the 2000s.

If a new sound takes over in early 2018 and that's popular for 70% of the late 2010s, then that's the peak late 2010s. It doesn't make sense for the peak late 2010s to only last one year of the late 2010s. :P


Music has changed... We are in late 2010s music now and have been all year. I explained earlier the major differences between mid '10s and late '10s music. 2016 is when music has changed. If those artists are irrelevent in 2018, we won't be in peak late '10s culture anymore, we will be in the transition period to early '20s culture. But this would most likely happen by the end of next year, not next month. At the moment, we are in peak late 2010s culture from everything from music, culture, politics, etc.


"Major difference" is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Music 'changed' like music changed between 2012 and 2010 with dubstep, but really it's the same basic sound.

Those guys had one or two hits in the late 2000s but they weren't considered mega-stars until the 2010s. Also Kanye and Rihanna were pretty big in the 2000s.

If a new sound takes over in early 2018 and that's popular for 70% of the late 2010s, then that's the peak late 2010s. It doesn't make sense for the peak late 2010s to only last one year of the late 2010s. :P

"Major difference" is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Music 'changed' like music changed between 2012 and 2010 with dubstep, but really it's the same basic sound.

A new sound won't take over early 2018, that is very unlikely. And if it does happen, then it won't be a late 2010s sound, it will be a 2020s sound. Everything we've been experiencing for the last year was purely late 2010s culture and music.

I said "I explained the major differences" not "the change was major". We're still in late 2010s music and the music this era is distinct.

Well I have to admit I was wrong. My prediction was always that we would see a significant cultural change around late 2017 but it's nearly the end of the year and nothings really changed. We can only hope 2018 will bring something new, which it should because this pop cultural era is getting rather long in my opinion. By late 2018 we will have been in this era for around 6 years from my point of view!  :o

Well I have to admit I was wrong. My prediction was always that we would see a significant cultural change around late 2017 but it's nearly the end of the year and nothings really changed. We can only hope 2018 will bring something new, which it should because this pop cultural era is getting rather long in my opinion. By late 2018 we will have been in this era for around 6 years from my point of view!  :o
yeah I though that to but I've should of known that we would not
get a change late 2017 since this whole era has been very long and never ending.

Yes, they have developed an identity. We are in peak late 2010s culture at this moment.



The new culture 2018 will be early 2020s culture, not late '10s culture. That's why we are at the peak of the late 2010s now. This culture will last next year then probably by late next year; we will be in the early 2020s culture if 2018 is a transitional year. We've been in peak late 2010s culture for a while now, and if there are changes next year, that will further prove we are in peak late '10s culture now if it starts fading away and getting replaced with early '20s culture. The late 2010s started around 2016 and will most likely last until late 2018.



Late 2010s artists already came through. Artists like SZA, Khalid, Cardi B, Alessia Cara, Logic, Dua Lipa, and The Chainsmokers are all late 2010s.



Music has changed. We are in late 2010s music now and have been all year. I explained earlier the major differences between the mid-'10s and late '10s music. 2016 is when music has changed. If those artists are irrelevant in 2018, we won't be in peak late '10s culture anymore; we will be in the transition period to early '20s culture. But this would most likely happen by the end of next year, not next month. At the moment, we are in peak late 2010s culture from everything from music, culture, politics, etc.



By next month, you mean? That's extremely unlikely. But like Slim95 said, New artists, next year will be more 2020s than 2010s. 2010s artists like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Jay-Z, Kayne West, and much more all had their first hits in 2007-2009. That means that even the artists I listed could be considered more the 2020s than 2010s in the future.
WTF am I reading? Are you guys seriously saying that we're at the peak of the late '10s? I think you're getting ahead of yourselves. To even say that next year will be the start of the 2020s culture is not only ridiculous but also pathetic.

I agree with Slowpoke; music has not changed that much. The only difference between last year and this year is the comeback of mainstream Latin pop, Non-Trap Hip-hop, and R&B which slowly increased the diversity. Otherwise, Trap-rap and EDM are still ruling the charts.

As Slowpoke stated, some of those artists mentioned were either more of a 00s artist or artists of both eras. Kanye and Rihanna had hits long before 2007 and Jay-Z was relevant way before the 00s. Agreeing again with what Slowpoke said, it's unsure if those artists you guys are assuming to define the late 10s, and the 2020s will still be famous by then. I have a feeling that Cardi B especially will not stay relevant into the next decade. I think she will fade out before 2020.

First seven months of 2017: Peak of late '10s culture (Stranger Things is the most talked about show in the country, Donald Trump takes office, fidget spinners are everywhere, and Alessia Cara goes to number one on Billboard's Pop Songs radio airplay chart with "Scars to Your Beautiful")/ A couple of new things are introduced for the '20s (The Boss Baby, Coco Loko, and Nintendo Switch)

Last August to Now: Everything starts to change (Fans are disappointed with Stranger Things 2, Trump's approval ratings fall to the lowest point of his presidency, dangerous levels of lead are found in fidget spinners sold at Target)/ More new things are introduced for the '20s (Cuphead, Riverdale, and Zack Snyder's Justice League)

My Predictions for the Future

2018-Early 2019: The transition from the late '10s to the early 2020s really starts to get moving.

Last third of 2019: The transition is just about over.

2020: The 2020s begin!/This will be the the quintessential year of the early 2020s.

It's been the late 2010s since November 9, 2016 in my opinion although other than the EVEN MORE dark/polarized feel the culture doesn't feel terribly different from the mid 2010s, yet.

WTF am I reading? Are you guys seriously saying that we're at the peak of the late '10s? I think you're getting ahead of yourselves. To even say that next year will be the start of the 2020s culture is not only ridiculous but also pathetic.

I agree with Slowpoke; music has not changed that much. The only difference between last year and this year is the comeback of mainstream Latin pop, Non-Trap Hip-hop, and R&B which slowly increased the diversity. Otherwise, Trap-rap and EDM are still ruling the charts.

As Slowpoke stated, some of those artists mentioned were either more of a 00s artist or artists of both eras. Kanye and Rihanna had hits long before 2007 and Jay-Z was relevant way before the 00s. Agreeing again with what Slowpoke said, it's unsure if those artists you guys are assuming to define the late 10s, and the 2020s will still be famous by then. I have a feeling that Cardi B especially will not stay relevant into the next decade. I think she will fade out before 2020.

What are you reading? What kind of question is that lol. We are in peak late '10s culture now. Music is different from mid '10s and I already explained in previous posts how it is different. We are 100% in late 2010s culture now and at its peak. 2018 will be the start to the transition in early '20s culture as '90s guy also said. I'm not sure what you aren't getting. Right now we are in peak late 2010s culture (Donald Trump, Late '10s style EDM pop, mumble rap, fidget spinners, identity politics, superhero movies, new shows on TV, etc.) It's as clear as day we are in peak late 2010s now. We have been fully removed from the mid 2010s since late 2016... Although we are still in the core 2010s so it's not like that much is drastically different, but we are most definitely in a distinct late 2010s era and we are at the peak of it now.

What are you reading? What kind of question is that lol. We are in peak late '10s culture now. Music is different from mid '10s and I already explained in previous posts how it is different. We are 100% in late 2010s culture now and at its peak. 2018 will be the start to the transition in early '20s culture as '90s guy also said. I'm not sure what you aren't getting. Right now we are in peak late 2010s culture (Donald Trump, Late '10s style EDM pop, mumble rap, fidget spinners, identity politics, superhero movies, new shows on TV, etc.) It's as clear as day we are in peak late 2010s now. We have been fully removed from the mid 2010s since late 2016... Although we are still in the core 2010s so it's not like that much is drastically different, but we are most definitely in a distinct late 2010s era and we are at the peak of it now.

I agree that the late 2010s began in late 2016 but the things you listed that I bolded seem like they were also very much mid 2010s things, and have just continued into now.

I agree that the late 2010s began in late 2016 but the things you listed that I bolded seem like they were also very much mid 2010s things, and have just continued into now.

There weren't as many superhero movies popular before 2016, it was more about movies like Hunger Games and more social dynamic films. The late 2010s movies exploded with fantasy and superhero films.

There are new TV shows that are popular now in 2017 as well such as Stranger Things for example, which came out in 2016 and is a hugely popular show now.

Identity politics I think became way bigger in the late '10s. Although you are right it did have its roots in thr mid '10s especially in 2015, but it seems like it's the norm in the late 2010s.

What are you reading? What kind of question is that lol. We are in peak late '10s culture now. Music is different from mid '10s and I already explained in previous posts how it is different. We are 100% in late 2010s culture now and at its peak. 2018 will be the start to the transition in early '20s culture as '90s guy also said. I'm not sure what you aren't getting. Right now we are in peak late 2010s culture (Donald Trump, Late '10s style EDM pop, mumble rap, fidget spinners, identity politics, superhero movies, new shows on TV, etc.) It's as clear as day we are in peak late 2010s now. We have been fully removed from the mid 2010s since late 2016... Although we are still in the core 2010s so it's not like that much is drastically different, but we are most definitely in a distinct late 2010s era and we are at the peak of it now.
I don't care if we are in late 10s or still mid 10s because both eras sucked hard pop culturally, especially the mid 10s so if 2018 is the transition to early 2020s culture that would be awesome!

It's been the late 2010s since November 9, 2016 in my opinion although other than the EVEN MORE dark/polarized feel the culture doesn't feel terribly different from the mid 2010s, yet.


The late ‘10s began on January 1, 2017 when The Mick premiered on FOX.

I don't care if we are in late 10s or still mid 10s because both eras sucked hard pop culturally, especially the mid 10s so if 2018 is the transition to early 2020s culture that would be awesome!

The mid '10s was a good era imo.

The mid '10s was a good era imo.

I agree. The mid 2010’s had good music. 2013 was probably one of the best years in this decade so far, both personally and pop culturally.

I agree. The mid 2010’s had good music. 2013 was probably one of the best years in this decade so far, both personally and pop culturally.


2013 was the last year of the early 2010s. Mid '10s influences (i.e.-Orange is the New Black) were still being introduced in that year.

What are you reading? What kind of question is that lol. We are in peak late '10s culture now. Music is different from the mid-'10s, and I already explained in previous posts how it is different. We are 100% in late 2010s culture now and at its peak. 2018 will be the start of the transition in early '20s culture as '90s guy also said. I'm not sure what you aren't getting. Right now we are in peak late 2010s culture (Donald Trump, Late '10s style EDM pop, mumble rap, fidget spinners, identity politics, superhero movies, new shows on TV, etc.) It's as clear as day we are at the peak of the late 2010s now. We have exited the mid-2010s since late 2016. Although we are still in the core 2010s, so it's not like that much is drastically different, we are most definitely in a distinct late 2010s era, and we are at the peak of it now.
No, we aren't. That will not happen until next year. And music again has not changed all that much. Trap and EDM are still the biggest two genres so far just much as before. Superhero movies will be more of a representation of the 10s overall rather than just one portion of the era. I mean, there was already some films back in the first half of the decade anyway. Do The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Iron Man 2 & 3, Kick-Ass, Thor, Amazing Spider-Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and X-Men not ring a bell? Donald Trump has been in the headlines since Summer 2015, so he will not just be seen as a late 10s political figure. Mumble rap has been in Hip-hop for at least a few years now. I remember hearing some of those songs in 2014-15. As for identity politics, I agree with Zelek that it has been a thing for a few years as well. All those aspects you listed will be representing the decade in the end rather than just one part of the era.

Donald Trump has been in the headlines since Summer 2015, so he will not just be seen as a late 10s political figure.


I disagree with this. If not future historians, the general political association with him will be as the president from the late 2010s. It's like how Barack Obama's national status began in 2004, but he's not a mid-2000s political figure.

I don't care if we are in late 10s or still mid 10s because both eras sucked hard pop culturally


I'm sorry, this one-note rhetoric is getting boring to me. Repetitive statements like these (and it's certainly not just you) are the equivalent of those middle schoolers who comment on YouTube videos of old songs talking about how much they hate today's music, like they deserve a prize just for having an opinion.

We get it, dude. You don't like the 2010s.

I don't care if we are in late 10s or still mid 10s because both eras sucked hard pop culturally, especially the mid 10s so if 2018 is the transition to early 2020s culture that would be awesome!

You hangout in the 2010s section way too much for someone who hates it so much 🙄

I disagree with this. If not future historians, the general political association with him will be as the president from the late 2010s. It's like how Barack Obama's national status began in 2004, but he's not a mid-2000s political figure.
That's true he will be seen as the president of the late 2010s, but Trump had already announced his campaign by that time which is why in the future he will be known as a political figure for the second half of the 2010s.

No, we aren't. That will not happen until next year. And music again has not changed all that much. Trap and EDM are still the biggest two genres so far just much as before. Superhero movies will be more of a representation of the 10s overall rather than just one portion of the era. I mean, there was already some films back in the first half of the decade anyway. Do The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Iron Man 2 & 3, Kick-Ass, Thor, Amazing Spider-Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and X-Men not ring a bell? Donald Trump has been in the headlines since Summer 2015, so he will not just be seen as a late 10s political figure. Mumble rap has been in Hip-hop for at least a few years now. I remember hearing some of those songs in 2014-15. As for identity politics, I agree with Zelek that it has been a thing for a few years as well. All those aspects you listed will be representing the decade in the end rather than just one part of the era.


It's pointless to try to argue with Slim95.  His opinions are cold hard facts and are not to be disputed.  And, he somehow knows that 2020s culture will begin next year.

What are you reading? What kind of question is that lol. We are in peak late '10s culture now. Music is different from mid '10s and I already explained in previous posts how it is different. We are 100% in late 2010s culture now and at its peak. 2018 will be the start to the transition in early '20s culture as '90s guy also said. I'm not sure what you aren't getting. Right now we are in peak late 2010s culture (Donald Trump, Late '10s style EDM pop, mumble rap, fidget spinners, identity politics, superhero movies, new shows on TV, etc.) It's as clear as day we are in peak late 2010s now. We have been fully removed from the mid 2010s since late 2016... Although we are still in the core 2010s so it's not like that much is drastically different, but we are most definitely in a distinct late 2010s era and we are at the peak of it now.

Are we though? Late 2010s stuff has only started appearing earier this year. I think that next year will be the peak, with late 2018 being the start of the “transiton” to more 2020s culture. But I don’t believe that we’ll really be in 2020s culture until 2021/22.

That's true he will be seen as the president of the late 2010s, but Trump had already announced his campaign by that time which is why in the future he will be known as a political figure for the second half of the 2010s.


But all presidential candidates announce their campaign well in advance of the election. I'm not sure if I understand your point here.

It's pointless to try to argue with Slim95.  His opinions are cold hard facts and are not to be disputed.  And, he somehow knows that 2020s culture will begin next year.


There are already 2020s influences in this year we're living in.


Are we though? Late 2010s stuff has only started appearing earier this year. I think that next year will be the peak, with late 2018 being the start of the “transiton” to more 2020s culture. But I don’t believe that we’ll really be in 2020s culture until 2021/22.


You're looking at what has came out of the late '10s so far and calling that "late '10s culture". Late '10s musicians, movie characters, online shows, TV shows were introduced all throughout the mid 2010s. Like I mentioned earlier, the peak period for late '10s culture is behind us. We're getting closer to the first year of the 2020s right now. The early 2020s will start on January 1st of 2020 and end on January 1st of 2023. I hope that helps.

It's pointless to try to argue with Slim95.  His opinions are cold hard facts, and he refuses to realize they are only his viewpoints. And, he somehow knows that 2020s culture will begin next year.
So true. It is going nowhere. I want to know though why he has that mindset and refuses to look at pop culture from an objective standpoint rather than his own opinions. I know that just like everyone else there's no way the 2020s culture will start next year.

It seems he forgets that we are all allowed our own opinions, but not entitled to our facts.


But all presidential candidates announce their campaign well in advance of the election. I'm not sure if I understand your point here.
They do, but what I'm saying is Trump was in the political world by 2015. In the first half, he was just another celebrity.


There are already 2020s influences in this year we're living in right now.
Where? The others and I are failing to see what influences are there.

Where? The others and I are failing to see what influences are there.


All of these things will still be around in the 2020s:

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/boss-baby-2.jpg?w=605

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1b/9d/47/1b9d4798ff28c3458143da3d37c09a8f--kj-apa-riverdale-riverdale-poster.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2058/9825/products/Bendy_body_sticker_530x@2x.jpg?v=1499430251

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81eug9sn6YL._AC_SX430_.png

All of these things will still be around in the 2020s:

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/boss-baby-2.jpg?w=605

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1b/9d/47/1b9d4798ff28c3458143da3d37c09a8f--kj-apa-riverdale-riverdale-poster.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2058/9825/products/Bendy_body_sticker_530x@2x.jpg?v=1499430251

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81eug9sn6YL._AC_SX430_.png
And what if they all unexpectedly disappear from the mainstream before 2020?

And what if they all unexpectedly disappear from the mainstream before 2020?

I still think 2017 is core 2010’s, and probably the last.

I still think 2017 is core 2010’s, and probably the last.
I think so too unless next year could be the end.

People are getting too ahead of themselves. You can't predict the future, that is all. The late '60s and late '70s peaked in 1969 and 1979 (inb4 someone argues with this and misses my point  :-X), it's premature to say 2017 is the peak of the late 2010s.

People are getting too ahead of themselves. You can't predict the future, that is all. The late '60s and late '70s peaked in 1969 and 1979 (inb4 someone argues with this and misses my point  :-X), it's premature to say 2017 is the peak of the late 2010s.


I agree with this completely.

In terms of the late 2010s, it's definitely the era of the alt-right and the backlash against the Obama years.  It's an era of the resurgence of the religious right in America and the prominence of Christian fundamentalism in our culture.  It's like we are experiencing the "Moral Majority" era of the 1980s all over again.

And what if they all unexpectedly disappear from the mainstream before 2020?


Trust me on this one, they won't.


The late '60s and late '70s peaked in 1969 and 1979 (inb4 someone argues with this and misses my point  :-X),


And what point is that?  ???

The '70s began in 1969. The Brady Bunch first appeared on television in the fall of '69 and most people call it a '70s program. '80s/'90s programs like Dallas were on the air in 1979, so it was not a year of the 1970s culturally at all.


it's premature to say 2017 is the peak of the late 2010s.

Let's me guess...2019 will be the peak of the late '10s?

Trust me on this one; they won't.
Whatever you say. ::) I have a feeling all those things won't last long.

I agree with this completely.

In terms of the late 2010s, it's definitely the era of the alt-right and the backlash against the Obama years.  It's an era of the resurgence of the religious right in America and the prominence of Christian fundamentalism in our culture.  It's like we are experiencing the "Moral Majority" era of the 1980s all over again.

Wait, what? I think it's quite the opposite. Trump and Alt-rights are giving religion a bad name, which is making people less religious.
That's how I see it anyway.

Whatever you say. ::) I have a feeling all those things won't last long.


You can't be serious. Riverdale is currently in its second season and there's already talk of a spin-off in the works about Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

Whatever you say. ::) I have a feeling all those things won't last long.


Riverdale is only getting more popular in terms of cultural saturation. It's on the upswing, not the downswing.

People are getting too ahead of themselves. You can't predict the future, that is all. The late '60s and late '70s peaked in 1969 and 1979 (inb4 someone argues with this and misses my point  :-X), it's premature to say 2017 is the peak of the late 2010s.


I missed the point. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtYsdJW5zjsprwf3C2GnqEPQPZPlhnL50QqNs0yzOSYPS_mHHMYg

You can't be serious. Riverdale is currently in its second season, and there's already talk of a spin-off in the works about Sabrina, the Teenage Witch.
I mean that those things won't last into the next decade, not that they will disappear by next year.

No, we aren't. That will not happen until next year. And music again has not changed all that much. Trap and EDM are still the biggest two genres so far just much as before. Superhero movies will be more of a representation of the 10s overall rather than just one portion of the era. I mean, there was already some films back in the first half of the decade anyway. Do The Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, Iron Man 2 & 3, Kick-Ass, Thor, Amazing Spider-Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and X-Men not ring a bell? Donald Trump has been in the headlines since Summer 2015, so he will not just be seen as a late 10s political figure. Mumble rap has been in Hip-hop for at least a few years now. I remember hearing some of those songs in 2014-15. As for identity politics, I agree with Zelek that it has been a thing for a few years as well. All those aspects you listed will be representing the decade in the end rather than just one part of the era.

Yes, we are in late 2010s and the music is DIFFERENT not the same. Mid '10s had very little EDM on the radio... That only came out 2016 (with the exception of some song like Selfie) Even then, it is certainly not the same style as late '10s. Teen pop is also gone. Trap isn't mid '10s... It's a core 2010s genre  and the style sounds different now. We are in the peak of late 2010s now. Next year, the new culture you will see will not be late 2010s, it will be early 2020s. Movies, TV shows, music, politics, culture is all in peak late 2010s now as I've mentioned. Your entire post was wrong.

I mean that those things won't last into the next decade, not that they will disappear by next year.


Only time will tell, but it seems quite likely that they will last into the '20s.

Yes, we are in the late 2010s and the music is DIFFERENT not the same. The mid-'10s had very little EDM on the radio... That only came out 2016 (except for some song like Selfie) Even then, it is certainly not the same style the as late '10s. Teen pop is also gone. Trap Rap is not mid-'10s. It's a core 2010s genre, and the style sounds different now. We are at the peak of the late 2010s now. Next year, the new culture you will see will not be the late 2010s, it will be early 2020s. Movies, TV shows, music, politics, culture is all in peak the late 2010s now as I've mentioned. Your entire post was wrong.
Actually, there was. The mid-10s wasn't all Teen Pop. For you to think that it was is just plain ignorance. Oh, and when I say that Trap was the mid-10s? I already knew from the start it was a 10s musical trend considering I first heard of the sub-genre back in 2012. EDM is also just much as representative as Trap, and that goes back to around the same time. And, no, we are not at the peak of the late 2010s. That's ridiculous.

BTW, you need to realize that your opinions are not hard facts and they can be refuted. To assume that your viewpoints are correct and others are inaccurate is not just arrogant, but ignorant as well. You need to pull your head out of the sand because you're not going to get any good responses with that attitude.

Yes, we are in late 2010s and the music is DIFFERENT not the same. Mid '10s had very little EDM on the radio... That only came out 2016 (with the exception of some song like Selfie) Even then, it is certainly not the same style as late '10s. Teen pop is also gone. Trap isn't mid '10s... It's a core 2010s genre  and the style sounds different now. We are in the peak of late 2010s now. Next year, the new culture you will see will not be late 2010s, it will be early 2020s. Movies, TV shows, music, politics, culture is all in peak late 2010s now as I've mentioned. Your entire post was wrong.


EDM got big in 2013 and was everywhere by 2015 (the year Roses came out). It's not a shift. The truth is, aside from a few superficial changes so people don't get bored, the changes in music have been minimal. The difference between 2014 and 2015 in music is probably bigger than 2015 to 2016 or 2016 to 2017 yet I doubt you'd call that a cultural shift.

The main difference between 2017 and the mid-2010s is political. There are changes in gaming (Switch, loot boxes) and technology (digital payments, Google Home vs Amazon Echo, bezelless phones etc.), but that's about it. Any shifts you're seeing in music, movies etc. are there because you're desperately looking for them. If the calendar was one year off you would probably agree there was no shift because it wouldn't be noticeable.

2016 isn't a late 2010s year (except maybe the end). It basically picked up where summer 2015+ left off, when EDM songs like "How Deep Is Your Love" were topping the charts, Trump and Sanders announcing their candidacy, gay marriage was legalized, we had our giant iPhones etc.

I don't know how you can be so sure of what 2018 will bring. Upload your crystal ball to YouTube for all to see. :P Seriously though, for all you know it can be a 2017 on steroids. How are you so sure we'll have 2020s culture by then?

Actually, there was. The mid-10s wasn't all Teen Pop. For you to think that it was is just plain ignorance. Oh, and when I say that Trap was the mid-10s? I already knew from the start it was a 10s musical trend considering I first heard of the sub-genre back in 2012. EDM is also just much as representative as Trap, and that goes back to around the same time. And, no, we are not at the peak of the late 2010s. That's ridiculous.

BTW, you need to realize that your opinions are not hard facts and they can be refuted. To assume that your viewpoints are correct and others are inaccurate is not just arrogant, but ignorant as well. You need to pull your head out of the sand because you're not going to get any good responses with that attitude.

Yes I know it's opinion based, you're right. I just got passionate about it so that's why I made it sound like fact but you are right these are opinions. You sounded passionate in your post too so I was just following your lead... I honestly think there are quite a lot of differences in 2017 compared to 2015 in music and everything else. Of course it wasn't just teen pop but that was a huge chunk and that is totally gone now in 2017. Pop music now has an EDM twist to it and sounds quite different from 2015. Just compare the Billboard Year End  harts from 2015 to music from 2017 (and even 2016 to an extent) and you will see what I mean. Also, trap music has changed now and is bigger than it was in the mid '10s. Things are different.


EDM got big in 2013 and was everywhere by 2015 (the year Roses came out). It's not a shift. The truth is, aside from a few superficial changes so people don't get bored, the changes in music have been minimal. The difference between 2014 and 2015 in music is probably bigger than 2015 to 2016 or 2016 to 2017 yet I doubt you'd call that a cultural shift.

The main difference between 2017 and the mid-2010s is political. There are changes in gaming (Switch, loot boxes) and technology (digital payments, Google Home vs Amazon Echo, bezelless phones etc.), but that's about it. Any shifts you're seeing in music, movies etc. are there because you're desperately looking for them. If the calendar was one year off you would probably agree there was no shift because it wouldn't be noticeable.

2016 isn't a late 2010s year (except maybe the end). It basically picked up where summer 2015+ left off, when EDM songs like "How Deep Is Your Love" were topping the charts, Trump and Sanders announcing their candidacy, gay marriage was legalized, we had our giant iPhones etc.

I don't know how you can be so sure of what 2018 will bring. Upload your crystal ball to YouTube for all to see. :P Seriously though, for all you know it can be a 2017 on steroids. How are you so sure we'll have 2020s culture by then?

Roses didn't get popular until early 2016... Early 2016 was when EDM got big. Maybe late 2015 at the earliest but EDM got popular in 2016 and Roses was on the radio in early 2016 not 2015. That's when Justin Bieber came out with his new sound too. The sound is simply different compared to 2015 I don't know how you can't see that. Music has an electronic twist to it now, weird electronic vocal effects and super electronic while in 2015 you only had some songs with mid '10s EDM (mid '10s EDM not the same as late '10s EDM) and it did not sound the same as it did in 2016 and 2017. The mid 2010s took a small break from using EDM in tracks. Now this is coming from someone who says we still have similar culture and similar music today since 2008, so keep that in mind as it may be superficial changes but the changes are still noticeable enough.

2016 is a transitional year, and leans more towards the late 2010s. With Trump, Brexit, Pokemon Go, etc. All of those are late 2010s stuff.

I am sure because if culture changes, it will be what is coming forward in the next few years. There's no way this culture will change next month, if it changes around summer to fall of 2018 that will be early 2020s trends because culture will transform and we will no longer be in late 2010s culture.

I'm sorry, this one-note rhetoric is getting boring to me. Repetitive statements like these (and it's certainly not just you) are the equivalent of those middle schoolers who comment on YouTube videos of old songs talking about how much they hate today's music, like they deserve a prize just for having an opinion.

We get it, dude. You don't like the 2010s.
I like the early 10s but the rest of the 10s are  8-P

I like the early 10s but the rest of the 10s are  8-P


Trust me. You have left no ambiguity on what you do not like about this decade. It's just getting a bit tiresome imo

Yes I know it's opinion based, you're right. I just got passionate about it so that's why I made it sound like fact but you are right these are opinions. You sounded passionate in your post too so I was just following your lead... I honestly think there are quite a lot of differences in 2017 compared to 2015 in music and everything else. Of course it wasn't just teen pop but that was a huge chunk and that is totally gone now in 2017. Pop music now has an EDM twist to it and sounds quite different from 2015. Just compare the Billboard Year End  harts from 2015 to music from 2017 (and even 2016 to an extent) and you will see what I mean. Also, trap music has changed now and is bigger than it was in the mid '10s. Things are different.
Roses didn't get popular until early 2016... Early 2016 was when EDM got big. Maybe late 2015 at the earliest but EDM got popular in 2016 and Roses was on the radio in early 2016 not 2015. That's when Justin Bieber came out with his new sound too. The sound is simply different compared to 2015 I don't know how you can't see that. Music has an electronic twist to it now, weird electronic vocal effects and super electronic while in 2015 you only had some songs with mid '10s EDM (mid '10s EDM not the same as late '10s EDM) and it did not sound the same as it did in 2016 and 2017. The mid 2010s took a small break from using EDM in tracks. Now this is coming from someone who says we still have similar culture and similar music today since 2008, so keep that in mind as it may be superficial changes but the changes are still noticeable enough.

2016 is a transitional year, and leans more towards the late 2010s. With Trump, Brexit, Pokemon Go, etc. All of those are late 2010s stuff.

I am sure because if culture changes, it will be what is coming forward in the next few years. There's no way this culture will change next month, if it changes around summer to fall of 2018 that will be early 2020s trends because culture will transform and we will no longer be in late 2010s culture.


EDM was huge in 2015. Honestly that was the best year for it, by summer of 2016 it already felt like it was getting long in the tooth. In 2015 there was Middle, How Deep Is Your Love, Roses, You Know You Like It, Might Not, The Hills etc. and that's only what I have on my small 30 song electronic music playlist, there was a lot more that year. In 2013 we already had Harlem Shake, Work Bitch, Papaoutai, Animals, Dark Horse and probably many others.

Celebrities of the late 2010s:

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Colin Kaepernick

http://gaia.adage.com/images/bin/imgstore/work/full/v/e/r/VerizonFiOS_GoodNeighbor17.jpg

Gaten Matarazzo (who plays Dustin Henderson on "Stranger Things")

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/business/2016/11/22/Republican_preside_3366605b-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpJliwavx4coWFCaEkEsb3kvxIt-lGGWCWqwLa_RXJU8.jpg

President Trump

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Daisy Ridley

https://24indianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Niall-Horan.jpg

Niall Horan

EDM was huge in 2015. Honestly that was the best year for it, by summer of 2016 it already felt like it was getting long in the tooth. In 2015 there was Middle, How Deep Is Your Love, Roses, You Know You Like It, Might Not, The Hills etc. and that's only what I have on my small 30 song electronic music playlist, there was a lot more that year. In 2013 we already had Harlem Shake, Work Bitch, Papaoutai, Animals, Dark Horse and probably many others.

That's mid '10s edm, not late '10s edm. There is more than one style of EDM you know? Late '10s EDM sounds different than mid '10s EDM. Just as how electropop/EDM of the early '10s sound different. EDM of the late 2010s has stronger electronic elements and vocal effects. You an compare songs and you will see how different they sound.

That's mid '10s edm, not late '10s edm. There is more than one style of EDM you know? Late '10s EDM sounds different than mid '10s EDM. Just as how electropop/EDM of the early '10s sound different. EDM of the late 2010s has stronger electronic elements and vocal effects. You an compare songs and you will see how different they sound.


How are those songs any different from what was released in 2016? ???

How are those songs any different from what was released in 2016? ???

Because they sound different that's why.... The style is completely different and uses other electronic elements on it. And now it is mainstream as well.

Music may be shifting since we are seeing the fall of peak Taylor Swift.

Yes I know it's opinion based, you're right. I just got passionate about it, so that's why I made it sound like fact but you are right these are opinions. You sounded passionate too in your posts so I was just following your lead... I honestly think there are quite a lot of differences in 2017 compared to 2015 in music and everything else. Of course, it wasn't just teen pop, but that was a huge chunk, and that is gone now in 2017. Pop music now has an EDM twist to it and sounds quite different from 2015. Just compare the Billboard Year-End charts from 2015 to music from 2017 (and even 2016 to an extent), and you will see what I mean. Also, trap music has changed now and is bigger than it was in the mid-'10s. Things are different.

Roses didn't get famous until early 2016. Early 2016 was when EDM got big. Maybe late 2015 at the earliest but EDM got popular in 2016 and Roses was on the radio in early 2016 not 2015. That's when Justin Bieber came out with his new sound too. The sound is merely different compared to 2015 I don't know how you can't see that. Music has an electronic twist to it now, weird electronic vocal effects and super electronic while in 2015 you only had some songs with mid-'10s EDM (mid-'10s EDM not the same as late '10s EDM) and it did not sound the same as it did in 2016 and 2017. The mid-2010s took a small break from using EDM in tracks. Now, this is coming from someone who says we still have similar culture and similar music today since 2008, so keep that in mind as it may be superficial changes but the changes are still noticeable enough.

2016 is a transitional year and leans more towards the late 2010s. With Trump, Brexit, Pokemon Go, etc. All of those represent right now.

I am sure because if the culture changes, it will be what is coming forward in the next few years. There's no way this will change next month if it changes around summer to fall of 2018 that will be early 2020s trends because culture will transform and we will no longer be in late 2010s culture.
I only sound passionate is because I'm looking at pop culture from an objective standpoint. If I saw it from a personal perspective, then I would use different years instead. As for the music, Teen pop may have been huge, but Trap and EDM were just as big especially since they have been popular going back to the beginning of the decade. I heard lots of songs from both genres which I say they are a representation of the 10s musical trends. I did check the charts of 2015-17 about two months ago, and the only changes I noticed were a few Latin songs, R&B tracks and Non-trap rap returning to the mainstream. Other than that, Trap and EDM are still dominating.

Whether there were small changes in EDM or not, it's all the same genre regardless. When people look back at the era in the future, they are not going to care about the small differences in EDM. They are just going to see the genre that screams the 2010s automatically and be nostalgic for it.

I only sound passionate is because I'm looking at pop culture from an objective standpoint. If I saw it from a personal perspective, then I would use different years instead. As for the music, Teen pop may have been huge, but Trap and EDM were just as big especially since they have been popular going back to the beginning of the decade. I heard lots of songs from both genres which I say they are a representation of the 10s musical trends. I did check the charts of 2015-17 about two months ago, and the only changes I noticed were a few Latin songs, R&B tracks and Non-trap rap returning to the mainstream. Other than that, Trap and EDM are still dominating.

Whether there were small changes in EDM or not, it's all the same genre regardless. When people look back at the era in the future, they are not going to care about the small differences in EDM. They are just going to see the genre that screams the 2010s automatically and be nostalgic for it.

Well I'm looking objectively too.. not from a personal standpoint. So your opinions are just as valid as mine. You just proved you were the one acting like it's fact too which is kinda hypocritical. If you say my thoughts are opinions, then your thoughts are opinions too (not fact) and are equally valid as mine. So both mine and your thoughts on this are equally opinion no matter what.

I'm one of the only ones on here who says music and culture is still similar since late 2008 so there's that. I am not looking at the big picture. But I do see the late 2010s as a separate and distinct era because culture and music is not the same as it was in the mid 2010s. That's why I think we are in the peak late 2010s. Late 2018 to early 2019 will bring forward new culture that will be considered early 2020s culture. Think of it this way, it would be very dumb for a new cultural shift next year to only last one year and not into the early 2020s... So when you look at it at that, how can you say we haven't reached peak late 2010s culture yet? I think we will remain in this peak all early next year. It only makes sense for the next cultural shift to be early 2020s trends or at least the beginnings of the early 2020s.

Trust me. You have left no ambiguity on what you do not like about this decade. It's just getting a bit tiresome IMO
Well actually he did. He mentioned the reasons why he currently didn't like the 2010s last week.


1.repetitive
2.trap rap(worse rap ever)
3.bland EDM music
4.hipster culture is annoying
5.tumblr look sucks
6.sjw,feminism,pc
7.justin Bieber
8.no rock music
9.people are very dumbed down they like anything now
10.everyone wants too look and dress the same now.
11.no Mariah Carey type Rand b singers
12.wwe sucks
13.most things are too plastic sounding in music
14.people say times have changed, but just cause that's the case doesn't mean stop being creative.
15.no contemporary R and b
16.2010s don't sound cool :P
17.lame tv shows except walking dead and
Rick and Morty.
18.people support bad as good now
19.people hating Trump for no reason
20.everthings too high priced.
21.lil yachty
22.lil uzi
23.migos
24.bland culture
25.too many superhero movies
26. We're the Scarface, matrix, dazed and confused, Friday, Kumar, type movies.
Need I say more I'll save my time.



Pt.2

29.anyone can rap or sing now
30.kids will brag about apps and facebook instead of toys, outside like I did as a kid
31.the 2010s refuse to change it stays the same culture forever feeling
32.technology is the only real excitement now.
34.people don't like real hip hop anymore.
35 if the 2010s were great, I would make a list
36.people hide behind social media now more than ever.
37.smartphone over addiction
38.america losing its atmosphere it once had before 9/11 and even 2008
39.videogames are too plain and simple now
40.no TGIF on ABC
41.as a society no one cares that much about improving stuff
42.people don't like opinions any more or at least take offense more now
43.big bang theory sucks
44.modern family sucks. It's not even that modern. Married with Children is way better
44.orville is not that bad I must say  :D
45.were are your 70s show, married with children, war at home, edgy sitcoms
45.no classic horror movies in this decade
46.everthing is remade now
46.music doesn't talk about current events anymore.
48.movie tickets are high priced like for bad movies
49.planet of the apes only good sci-fi movie of the entire decade.
50.peoples love for drugs
51. I get the 90s,80s, and 00s weren't perfect no decade is but at least those decades didn't suffer from half the stuff I just listed and technology didn't make most other things bland

PS: no complaint here just facts to why the 2010s aren't as good to what people say they are.kingofthetemple attitude baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm looking objectively too, not from a personal standpoint. So your opinions are just as valid as mine. You just proved you were the one acting like it's a fact too which is somewhat hypocritical. If you say my thoughts are opinions, then your thoughts are opinions too (not fact) and are equally valid as mine. So both mine and your thoughts on this similar opinion no matter what.

I'm one of the only ones on here who says music and culture are still similar since late 2008 so there's that. I am not looking at the big picture. But I do see the late 2010s as a separate and distinct era because culture and music are not the same as it was in the mid-2010s. That's why I think we are at the peak the late 2010s. Late 2018 to early 2019 will bring forward new culture that will be considered the start of the 2020s culture. Think of it this way; it would be very dumb for a new cultural shift next year to only last one year and not into the early 2020s. So when you look at it at that, how can you say we haven't reached peak late 2010s culture yet? I think we will remain at this height all early next year. It only makes sense for the following cultural shift to be the beginning of the 2020s trends or at least the origins of the early 2020s.
Well, not indeed. The others and I have stated that we're not at the peak of the late 10s just yet. That will be more for next year. That's not an opinion, that's a consensus.

Well, you mentioned some time ago that 2008 started the 2010s only because you were going personal changes which shaped your outlook on the pop culture. Everyone else has now agreed on 2009 or 2010 as the beginning.

2018 could bring in a new shift in pop culture which will be nice, but that doesn't mean it will be transformative. The transformative year everyone is thinking about is 2020 considering not only will that be the most significant year in pop culture but in history as well.

Well, not indeed. The others and I have stated that we're not at the peak of the late 10s just yet. That will be more for next year. That's not an opinion, that's a consensus.

Well, you mentioned some time ago that 2008 started the 2010s only because you were going personal changes which shaped your outlook on the pop culture. Everyone else has now agreed on 2009 or 2010 as the beginning.

2018 could bring in a new shift in pop culture which will be nice, but that doesn't mean it will be transformative. The transformative year everyone is thinking about is 2020 considering not only will that be the most significant year in pop culture but in history as well.

Umm NO that is an opinion too.... Why are you being a hypocrite? If you want to play it like that, then I will tell you are absolutely wrong... It is a fact we are in the peak late 2010s... It is not for next year because next year's shift will be for early 2020s culture, not late 2010s because we are in the late 2010s now. You are wrong, plain and simple. Everything you wrote is incorrect. Stop thinking you are an expert on this, because you obviously aren't if you don't realize we are in peak late 2010s now... That is not a consensus what the heck are you talking about? According to who? A consensus between you and yourself? You are absolutely wrong, period. And no, it is not from my personal experience... It is because pop culture changed then, not because of personal experience. I'm beginning to think it's your personal experience that is clouding your judgement... Just admit it, you are wrong on this. I provided plenty of evidence. We are in the peak late 2010s culture now and that's a fact, plain and simple. I take back any apology to you for writing anything as a fact because I see how hypocritical you are now, and that won't fly. You were absolutely wrong in everything you wrote in your post because it's incorrect and not fact, we are currently in peak late 2010s culture and will remain until next year when early 2020s culture comes, simple as that.

Now I'm gonna follow your cue and say everything you wrote was an opinion, and I am the one being objective because I think it is fact and I think what you are saying is from your personal experience... See how ridiculous you sound? I'm done here. I already said we are in peak late 2010s culture because it's true. And this is an objective point of view, not opinion.

Umm NO that is an opinion too. Why are you a hypocrite? If you want to play it like that, then I will tell you are wrong... It is a fact we are at the peak the late 2010s... It is not for next year because next year's shift will be for early 2020s culture, not late 2010s because we are in the late 2010s now. You are wrong, plain and simple. Everything you wrote is incorrect. Stop thinking you are an expert on this because you obviously aren't if you don't realize we are at peak the late 2010s now. That is a consensus according to who? Between you and yourself? You are wrong, period. And no, it is not from my personal experience. It is because the pop culture changed then, not because of personal experience. I'm beginning to think it's your personal experience that is clouding your judgment. Just admit it, you are wrong on this. I provided plenty of evidence. We are in the peak late 2010s culture now, and that's a fact, plain and simple. I take back an apology to you for writing anything as a fact because I see how hypocritical you are now, and that won't fly. You were wrong in everything you wrote in your post because it's incorrect and not fact, we are currently in peak late 2010s culture and will remain until next year when early 2020s culture comes, simple as that.

Now I'm going to follow your cue and say everything you wrote was an opinion, and I am the one being objective because I think it is a fact and I think what you are saying is from your personal experience... See how ridiculous you sound? I already said we are in peak late 2010s culture because it's true. And this is an objective point of view, not opinion.
You and only one other user has made that statement that we're at the peak of the late 10s. Everyone else here has objected to that and has stated we're not there just yet. If you don't believe me, check out Slowpoke, BChris, Infinity, SharksFan (I think), King of the Temple, Longaotion (I believe), Zelek (I guess), Rainbow, and ZeldaFan's posts. None of them has ever said that we are currently at the peak of the late 10s. They have even told that it's too early. That's pretty much a consensus.

You mentioned both that 2008 was a change for you pop culturally and personally. Others have said different years for them privately while it was 2009 pop culturally.

You and only one other user has made that statement that we're at the peak of the late 10s. Everyone else here has objected to that and has stated we're not there just yet. If you don't believe me, check out Slowpoke, BChris, Infinity, SharksFan (I think), King of the Temple, Longaotion (I believe), Zelek (I guess), Rainbow, and ZeldaFan's posts. None of them has ever said that we are currently at the peak of the late 10s. They have even told that it's too early. That's pretty much a consensus.

You mentioned both that 2008 was a change for you pop culturally and personally. Others have said different years for them privately while it was 2009 pop culturally.

Just because a majority of people feel a certain way, doesn't make it fact or a consensus because not everyone agrees. They have the same experiences as you, but not everyone has the same opinion so you need to accept other people's opinion including mine because these are ALL opinions. What you say, what other people say, and what I say are all equally valid opinions. It's not a game where if most people say something it means it's the correct answer.

When did I ever say 2008 was change for me personally?  ??? I never once mentioned that... Someone else said that, not me. I never claimed 2008 was a personal transition for me. It was a transitional year pop culturally... That is an objective viewpoint. Late 2008 was undoubtedly a huge transition period into the 2010s pop culturally, no question about that that 2008 was a major transitional year for pop culture.

Oh Jesus f*cking Christ Slim95 please drop it or take it here...

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=56576.0

Just because a majority of people feel a certain way, doesn't make it fact or a consensus because not everyone agrees. They have the same experiences as you, but not everyone has the same opinion, so you need to accept other people's opinion including mine because these are ALL opinions. What you say, what other people say, and what I say are all equally valid opinions. It's not a game where if most people say something it means it's the correct answer.

When did I ever say 2008 changed for me?  ??? I never once mentioned that... Someone else said that, not me. I never claimed 2008 was a personal transition for me. It was a transitional year pop culturally. That is an objective viewpoint. Late 2008 was undoubtedly a considerable transition period for the 2010s pop culturally, no question about that that 2008 was a significant transitional year for pop culture.
Well even if not everyone agrees on something, there can still be a consensus. Just take a look at juries and Congress. They make consensus decisions all the time. Oh, and since when? They all may share the same perspective, but that doesn't mean they have the same experiences as me.

You did some time ago. We've discussed the 2008 shift on so many different threads that you might have forgotten when you stated it. You even said something about school and that you made a facebook during that same time. Now, since you're Canadian, those 2008 shifts may have been relevant up there, but down here, 2009 was the real change. If you want to keep debating the 2008 amendments, there's that new mega shift topic. ;)

Oh Jesus f*cking Christ Slim95 please drop it or take it here...

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=56576.0

I didn't bring it up first, but I will check this out too because it is a good idea.


Well even if not everyone agrees on something, there can still be a consensus. Just take a look at juries and Congress. They make consensus decisions all the time. Oh, and since when? They all may share the same perspective, but that doesn't mean they have the same experiences as me.

You did some time ago. We've discussed the 2008 shift on so many different threads that you might have forgotten when you stated it. You even said something about school and that you made a facebook during that same time. Now, since you're Canadian, those 2008 shifts may have been relevant up there, but down here, 2009 was the real change. If you want to keep debating the 2008 amendments, there's that new mega shift topic. ;)

I never mentioned my personal life changed and making a Facebook was proof that Facebook got big that year because me and all my friends made in that year. That's why I mentioned the shift because it was cultural. Anyways my opinions haven't changed and they will never change. Oh and I am cool with there being a shift thread and I will check it out because it can get interesting. I stand by my thoughts on this topic.

Well actually he did. He mentioned the reasons why he currently didn't like the 2010s last week.


Yeah, and at least a few of those don't make any sense, which I pointed out at the time.

I actually agree with Slim 100 %. Late 2010s culture is INDEED in it's peak. The problem is A LOT of the users in this thread are confusing mid 10s culture with CORE 10s culture. We are DEFINITELY still in the core 10s, that won't go away until next year. But we are definitely in the heart of the late 2010s culture which was being ushered in LAST YEAR around this time.  8) I'm probalby going to discuss the grammy nominations in a new thread, because that was one of things that showed me the late 2010s indeed have their own identity. It was pretty interesting to look at, because the nominations were DOMINATED by hip hop and R & B, which is a far cry from the previous era.

Another thing I've noticed is that people actually like the current year and aren't too over obsessed with nostalgia. Sure you still have nostalgic type things going on, but not as over top like it was before, maybe it's just me. on that one. ;D ;)

I'm probalby going to discuss the grammy nominations in a new thread, because that was one of things that showed me the late 2010s indeed have their own identity. It was pretty interesting to look at, because the nominations were DOMINATED by hip hop and R & B, which is a far cry from the previous era.
Which R&B singers have you noticed in the mainstream this year?

Which R&B singers have you noticed in the mainstream this year?

SZA, Ledisi, PJ Morton, Kehlani, 6lack were a few I noticed.

SZA, Ledisi, PJ Morton, Kehlani, 6lack were a few I noticed.
I know a few you mentioned and I have listened to their songs before. They're pretty good so far. As for the last one, I don't think 6lack is considered a singer. He seems more of a rapper because his songs come on rap stations and other rapper stations on my Pandora.

I might want to add a little more to my previous statement. As I've stated before superhero movies and blockbuster movies have been taking a shift and the shift is going to be GREATER if the breaking recent news actually comes through. It will change EVERYTHING if it ends up happening! :o :o :o Hopefully we will continue to get more fun, testosterone filled films rather than the darker, more cynical type films we got in the previous years.
But anyways we are in a VERY WEIRD mix of core and late culture. For example you have the late 10s culture( EDM, R&B's comeback, Trump,  Me too movement, a new era of superhero movies, Stranger Things, fun filled blockbusters, NFL's decline, Dragon Ball Super, Nintendo Switch) But you still have the core culture(Walking Dead, GOT, PS4, SJWs, superhero movie boom, cynicism within politics, social issues, social media craze)

I actually agree with Slim 100 %. Late 2010s culture is INDEED in it's peak. The problem is A LOT of the users in this thread are confusing mid 10s culture with CORE 10s culture. We are DEFINITELY still in the core 10s, that won't go away until next year. But we are definitely in the heart of the late 2010s culture which was being ushered in LAST YEAR around this time.  8) I'm probalby going to discuss the grammy nominations in a new thread, because that was one of things that showed me the late 2010s indeed have their own identity. It was pretty interesting to look at, because the nominations were DOMINATED by hip hop and R & B, which is a far cry from the previous era.

Another thing I've noticed is that people actually like the current year and aren't too over obsessed with nostalgia. Sure you still have nostalgic type things going on, but not as over top like it was before, maybe it's just me. on that one. ;D ;)

Yes thank you! This is what I was saying all along. This is the last year of the core 2010s, but we are solidly in late 2010s culture and will be until next year. Then when new culture comes next year or in 2019, that will be early '20s culture. I think 2018 will be the first year we are no longer in the core 2010s. This same pattern happened in the 2000s and I know you agreed with me on that from before. The early 2010s culture started late 2008 and the late 2000s were from 2006 to 2008.

Yes thank you! This is what I was saying all along. This is the last year of the core 2010s, but we are solidly in late 2010s culture and will be until next year. Then when new culture comes next year or in 2019, that will be early '20s culture. I think 2018 will be the first year we are no longer in the core 2010s. This same pattern happened in the 2000s and I know you agreed with me on that from before. The early 2010s culture started late 2008 and the late 2000s were from 2006 to 2008.

Yup, and when it people say we're still in the same era, they are actually correct but we are in a DIFFERENT PART of that era.

Off topic, but Also, it'll be VERY VERY interesting if Disney ends up buying 20th century Fox's rights, that would be STUNNING!!  That would completely rock the movie industry and the comic book/superhero movie genre. It would kinda usher in a new era for that genre.

Yup, and when it people say we're still in the same era, they are actually correct but we are in a DIFFERENT PART of that era.

True. I still see late 2008 up until now as one big era. The time where mobile devices start taking over, flat coloured design logos and aesthetics are in, electronic music is mainstream, 80s and 90s nostalgia are big, etc. I have a feeling we will shift from this soon and there will be another major transformation in the next coming years that will be similar to the 2008 shift.

Yup, and when it people say we're still in the same era, they are actually correct but we are in a DIFFERENT PART of that era.

Off topic, but Also, it'll be VERY VERY interesting if Disney ends up buying 20th century Fox's rights, that would be STUNNING!!  That would completely rock the movie industry and the comic book/superhero movie genre. It would kinda usher in a new era for that genre.


If that happens that means the X-Men films may finally be integrated into the MCU 8)!

If that happens that means the X-Men films may finally be integrated into the MCU 8) !

We'll find out either this weekend or next week. Boy oh boy,if this goes down then that means 2018 and most definitely 2019 are going to be very interesting for the company and the whole industry. DC is going to have step their game up BIG TIME! ;D

2008 to 2012
2013 to 2014
2015 to now.

It does feel like 2008 to now is one big era, with small sub-eras in between.

2008 to 2012
2013 to 2014
2015 to now.

It does feel like 2008 to now is one big era, with small sub-eras in between.

Honestly I'd say 2009 to now.
2009-2012
2013-2014(beginning of the core 10s, which actually got started in late 2012)
2015-2016
2017-present(you can include late 2016 if you'd like)

If that happens that means the X-Men films may finally be integrated into the MCU 8) !

We'll also FINALLY get the REAL X-MEN and Fansitc Four on the screen.  We FINALLY got an accurate Spiderman/Peter Parker this past summer, and now we may finally get our everlasting wish... :(

It does feel like 2008 to now is one big era, with small sub-eras in between.

Yeah that's what I think too.

Honestly I'd say 2009 to now.
2009-2012
2013-2014(beginning of the core 10s, which actually got started in late 2012)
2015-2016
2017-present(you can include late 2016 if you'd like)


I'm thinking maybe 2016 to now is one era.

I think that the 2017-18 school year is the peak late 2010's

2009-2012
2013-2014(beginning of the core 10s, which actually got started in late 2012)
2015-2016
2017-present(you can include late 2016 if you'd like)

I see it similar to yours but more like this:

The core 2010s are 2011 - 2017. In 2011 there was a shift in technology where everyone got smartphones, Game of Thrones premiered, the vibe got a little more gritty, Adele got popular, and  trap music got more popular. This matches with the core 2010s.

Late 2008 - late 2013 early 2010s
2014 - early 2016 mid 2010s
2016 - late 2018? Late 2010s

I think that the 2017-18 school year is the peak late 2010's

Yeah I can agree with this.

I think that the 2017-18 school year is the peak late 2010's

Yep!

I see it similar to yours but more like this:

The core 2010s are 2011 - 2017. In 2011 there was a shift in technology where everyone got smartphones, Game of Thrones premiered, the vibe got a little more gritty, Adele got popular, and  trap music got more popular. This matches with the core 2010s.

Late 2008 - late 2013 early 2010s
2014 - early 2016 mid 2010s
2016 - late 2018? Late 2010s

Yeah, I guess post Bin Laden 2011 could be seen as core 10s.

BUT my early, mid, late section is slightly different from yours.
Early 10s: Late 2009-2013 
Mid 10s: 2014-early 2017
Late 10s: Mid 2017-present

Honestly I'd say 2009 to now.
2009-2012
2013-2014(beginning of the core 10s, which actually got started in late 2012)
2015-2016
2017-present(you can include late 2016 if you'd like)


I strongly agree with this. 2013/2014 weren't the same as the early 2010s but they also felt very different from 2015/2016.

I strongly agree with this. 2013/2014 weren't the same as the early 2010s but they also felt very different from 2015/2016.

Yeah, I have two views on the 2010s. You can either put in early, mid, late sections. Although you can honestly divide the 2010s into mini sections like I did. That's how long the cultural decade has been. :o

It does feel like 2008 to now is one big era, with small sub-eras in between.


That is like saying 1987 to 1998 was one big era. I know late Millennials that do that today, but they were too young at the time to know the differences between the '80s and '90s.

2008 to 2010 were late '00s years to me. The new culture that came out in those years screams 2010s, but we did not know that at the time.

That is like saying 1987 to 1998 was one big era. I know late Millennials that do that today, but they were too young at the time to know the differences between the '80s and '90s.

2008 to 2010 were late '00s years to me. The new culture that came out in those years screams 2010s, but we did not know that at the time.


That time period was the transition from the 00s to the 10s. Similar to 1999-2001. But I still consider the second half of 2009 as the start point of the cultural 2010s.

I'm thinking maybe 2016 to now is one era.

November 9, 2016 to now is one era you mean.

I might want to add a little more to my previous statement. As I've stated before superhero movies and blockbuster movies have been taking a shift and the shift is going to be GREATER if the breaking recent news actually comes through. It will change EVERYTHING if it ends up happening! :o :o :o Hopefully we will continue to get more fun, testosterone filled films rather than the darker, more cynical type films we got in the previous years.
But anyways we are in a VERY WEIRD mix of core and late culture. For example you have the late 10s culture( EDM, R&B's comeback, Trump,  Me too movement, a new era of superhero movies, Stranger Things, fun filled blockbusters, NFL's decline, Dragon Ball Super, Nintendo Switch) But you still have the core culture(Walking Dead, GOT, PS4, SJWs, superhero movie boom, cynicism within politics, social issues, social media craze)

Another thing from the core 2010s that carried over into the late 2010s is the trend where people spout/perform memes in real life, i.e. Harlem Shake, Ice Bucket challenge, dabbing, Damn Daniel, that water bottle thing, the whole Kekistan thing, etc. Makes me cringe my gums out tbqh.

Another thing from the core 2010s that carried over into the late 2010s is the trend where people spout/perform memes in real life, i.e. Harlem Shake, Ice Bucket challenge, dabbing, Damn Daniel, that water bottle thing, the whole Kekistan thing, etc. Makes me cringe my gums out tbqh.

Basically... the annoying and negative things about the decade remained consistent over time. 8-P ;D

I strongly agree with this. 2013/2014 weren't the same as the early 2010s but they also felt very different from 2015/2016.

I agree with that too. The 2010s had things happen from every year and I see 2015 different from the first half because that's when the economy went down the drain and Trudeau got elected as prime minister.

November 9, 2016 to now is one era you mean.


Yes!  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X

Well, fashion is getting more 70s-esque with all the peasant clothing, the stripes and geometric designs, and the bell sleeves I keep seeing.

I'm thinking maybe 2016 to now is one era.


I don't see the connection.

2016 was the last full year of the Obama 2010s. The general public entered the late '10s knowing full well that Donald Trump would be president from January 20th of this year into the 2020s. They're not the same.

Here is how I would break it down.

Early 2010s i.e. the Lady Gaga era i.e. the Recession era - Fall 2009-Summer 2012.  Began with the debut of Lady Gaga's second album The Fame Monster and ended with the release of The Hunger Games.  Culture driven primarily by late '80s-born millennials.  Politically, the era was centered on the recession, Obamacare, the capture of Osama Bin Laden, the end of the Iraq War, the Tea Party, and Occupy Wall St.

Mid 2010s i.e. the Hipster era i.e. the #Selfie era i.e. the SJW era - Fall 2012-January 2017.  Began with the release of 'Thrift Shop' by Macklemore and ended with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by early 90s-born millennials.  Politically the era was defined by the monumental advancements in LGBT rights, gay marriage, transgender visibility,#BLM, SJWs/anti-SJWs, etc

Late 2010s i.e. the Alt-Right era i.e. the Trump era - Early 2017-Present.  Began with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by late-90s born Millennial/Gen Z cuspers.  Era is defined by the backlash against the social progress of the early and core parts of the decade, the alt-right, backlash against all things Obama, backlash against gay rights, trans visibility and BLM, and the resurgence of the religious right and "family values" politics

Here is how I would break it down.

Early 2010s i.e. the Lady Gaga era i.e. the Recession era - Fall 2009-Summer 2012.  Began with the debut of Lady Gaga's second album The Fame Monster and ended with the release of The Hunger Games.  Culture driven primarily by late '80s-born millennials.  Politically, the era was centered on the recession, Obamacare, the capture of Osama Bin Laden, the end of the Iraq War, the Tea Party, and Occupy Wall St.

Mid 2010s i.e. the Hipster era i.e. the #Selfie era i.e. the SJW era - Fall 2012-January 2017.  Began with the release of 'Thrift Shop' by Macklemore and ended with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by early 90s-born millennials.  Politically the era was defined by the monumental advancements in LGBT rights, gay marriage, transgender visibility,#BLM, SJWs/anti-SJWs, etc

Late 2010s i.e. the Alt-Right era i.e. the Trump era - Early 2017-Present.  Began with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by late-90s born Millennial/Gen Z cuspers.  Era is defined by the backlash against the social progress of the early and core parts of the decade, the alt-right, backlash against all things Obama, backlash against gay rights, trans visibility and BLM, and the resurgence of the religious right and "family values" politics

So basically we're going back to the bush era  :-\\

Here is how I would break it down.

Early 2010s i.e. the Lady Gaga era i.e. the Recession era - Fall 2009-Summer 2012.  Began with the debut of Lady Gaga's second album The Fame Monster and ended with the release of The Hunger Games.  Culture driven primarily by late '80s-born millennials.  Politically, the era was centered on the recession, Obamacare, the capture of Osama Bin Laden, the end of the Iraq War, the Tea Party, and Occupy Wall St.

Lady Gaga was an early '10s artist, but like you said, her work was better when she was starting out. That is one of the things that separates the late '00s from the early '10s for me. I think Gaga will be remembered a late '00s artist (even though she only started to get popular in those years) in the future. She was already mentioned in VH1's "I Love the 2000s" program in 2014.

Mid 2010s i.e. the Hipster era i.e. the #Selfie era i.e. the SJW era - Fall 2012-January 2017.  Began with the release of 'Thrift Shop' by Macklemore and ended with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by early 90s-born millennials.  Politically the era was defined by the monumental advancements in LGBT rights, gay marriage, transgender visibility,#BLM, SJWs/anti-SJWs, etc


Most people think of Macklemore and Ryan Lewis as early and mid '10s artists. I've never heard of anyone refer to their single 'Thrift Shop' as a mid '10s song until now.

Lady Gaga was an early '10s artist, but like you said, her work was better when she was starting out. That is one of the things that separates the late '00s from the early '10s for me. I think Gaga will be remembered a late '00s artist (even though she only started to get popular in those years) in the future. She was already mentioned in VH1's "I Love the 2000s" program in 2014.

Err...yes and no.  Her biggest era was The Fame Monster era which was the tail end of 2009 and 2010.  She was the biggest pop star in the world during that era and was virtually inescapable.  We really haven't had anybody else of that caliber since.  The Born This Way era, beginning in 2011, was the beginning of her downfall.



Most people think of Macklemore and Ryan Lewis as early and mid '10s artists. I've never heard of anyone refer to their single 'Thrift Shop' as a mid '10s song until now.


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This video resonates far more with the 2013-2015 time period than the 2010-2012 era.  Macklemore's "Thrift Shop" represents hipster culture making its way into the mainstream and Macklemore himself is more mid '10s than early '10s.

Roughly the second half of 2012 and first half of 2013, in my opinion, was a hybrid era that was both early and mid '10s.  When ARTPOP flopped in fall of 2013, it was clear that the early '10s were over.

Most people think of Macklemore and Ryan Lewis as early and mid '10s artists. I've never heard of anyone refer to their single 'Thrift Shop' as a mid '10s song until now.

Exactly. How can a song that got popular in early 2013 be considered mid '10s? Makes no sense. Thrift Shop is undoubtedly 100% an early 2010s song. If was even technically released in September of 2012, and got popular in 2013. It's early '10s.

Err...yes and no.  Her biggest era was The Fame Monster era which was the tail end of 2009 and 2010.  She was the biggest pop star in the world during that era and was virtually inescapable.  We really haven't had anybody else of that caliber since.  The Born This Way era, beginning in 2011, was the beginning of her downfall.


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This video resonates far more with the 2013-2015 time period than the 2010-2012 era.  Macklemore's "Thrift Shop" represents hipster culture making its way into the mainstream and Macklemore himself is more mid '10s than early '10s.

Roughly the second half of 2012 and first half of 2013, in my opinion, was a hybrid era that was both early and mid '10s.  When ARTPOP flopped in fall of 2013, it was clear that the early '10s were over.

No it doesn't. That looks like an early 2010s time. Thrift Shop is an early 2010s song, it was released before September of 2013 therefore it is an early 2010s song. You can't call it mid '10s if it released a whole year before the mid '10s even began. That doesn't make sense. 2013 was a transitional year, not 2012. And Thrift Shop is an early 2010s song.

Here is how I would break it down.

Early 2010s i.e. the Lady Gaga era i.e. the Recession era - Fall 2009-Summer 2012.  Began with the debut of Lady Gaga's second album The Fame Monster and ended with the release of The Hunger Games.  Culture driven primarily by late '80s-born millennials.  Politically, the era was centered on the recession, Obamacare, the capture of Osama Bin Laden, the end of the Iraq War, the Tea Party, and Occupy Wall St.

Mid 2010s i.e. the Hipster era i.e. the #Selfie era i.e. the SJW era - Fall 2012-January 2017.  Began with the release of 'Thrift Shop' by Macklemore and ended with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by early 90s-born millennials.  Politically the era was defined by the monumental advancements in LGBT rights, gay marriage, transgender visibility,#BLM, SJWs/anti-SJWs, etc

Late 2010s i.e. the Alt-Right era i.e. the Trump era - Early 2017-Present.  Began with the inauguration of Donald Trump.  Culture driven primarily by late-90s born Millennial/Gen Z cuspers.  Era is defined by the backlash against the social progress of the early and core parts of the decade, the alt-right, backlash against all things Obama, backlash against gay rights, trans visibility and BLM, and the resurgence of the religious right and "family values" politics

You were spot on, with the culture political stuff, but you're dates are jacked up... Fall 2012 and 2013 was still early 2010s culture, it just wasn't in it's peak anymore. I think the SLIGHT music change clouded your judgement, but to each his own. ::)

You were spot on, with the culture political stuff, but you're dates are jacked up... Fall 2012 and 2013 was still early 2010s culture, it just wasn't in it's peak anymore. I think the SLIGHT music change clouded your judgement, but to each his own. ::)

Yeah the early 2010s lasted until 2014. I don't know why people think 2012 was the last early 2010s year. 2013 was the last early 2010s year and 2014 was the start of the mid 2010s.

Yeah the early 2010s lasted until 2014. I don't know why people think 2012 was the last early 2010s year. 2013 was the last early 2010s year and 2014 was the start of the mid 2010s.

I personally see 2013 as the transition from early 2010’s culture to mid 2010’s culture. 2012 to me is the last 100% early 2010’s year. 2013 is still early 2010’s but you started seeing lots of mid 2010’s influences with stuff like Vine becoming popular and artists like Lorde and Ariana Grande getting more attention. 2014 to me is the first full mid 2010’s year both culturally and numerically speaking.

I don't get what people see in 2013 that's so early '10s. We had Snapchat, Instagram, selfies, modern EDM, Orange Is The New Black, House of Cards, Windows 8, material design, Android tablets (Nexus 7),Lorde, Ariana Grande, Iggy Azalea, pop Taylor Swift, hipster aesthetic etc. Seriously I can go on forever.

I think having Breaking Bad at the beginning of the year, and PS3/Xbox 360 still being relevant until the end of the year is the only "early '10s" thing going for it, but it's outweighed by... Pretty much everything else.

Am I missing anything?

To be honest, I don't think that we'll completely know how to split this entire decade until at least 2023.

I don't get what people see in 2013 that's so early '10s. We had Snapchat, Instagram, selfies, modern EDM, Orange Is The New Black, House of Cards, Windows 8, material design, Android tablets (Nexus 7),Lorde, Ariana Grande, Iggy Azalea, pop Taylor Swift, hipster aesthetic etc. Seriously I can go on forever.

I think having Breaking Bad at the beginning of the year, and PS3/Xbox 360 still being relevant until the end of the year is the only "early '10s" thing going for it, but it's outweighed by... Pretty much everything else.

Am I missing anything?

2013 is prodiminately an early 2010s year. Many early 2010s trends remained in 2013.

I personally see 2013 as the transition from early 2010’s culture to mid 2010’s culture. 2012 to me is the last 100% early 2010’s year. 2013 is still early 2010’s but you started seeing lots of mid 2010’s influences with stuff like Vine becoming popular and artists like Lorde and Ariana Grande getting more attention. 2014 to me is the first full mid 2010’s year both culturally and numerically speaking.

I agree with this.

2013 is prodiminately an early 2010s year. Many early 2010s trends remained in 2013.


I'm gonna have to disagree. The early '10s started chipping away in late 2012, when "hipster" fast retailers like H&M, Zara, Forever 21 etc. replaced the "preppy" mall logo brands like American Eagle, Aeropostale etc. and  by summer 2013 when everyone was twerking to Harlem Shake in their 5 second Snapchat videos the mid 2010s had definitely arrived.

The late 10's might be the #MAGA era. I can already feel it in some ways. Crime is down, unemployment is down, and we actually have a president who has a pair and is not afraid or ashamed to speak (or tweet) his mind. Good riddance to the PC SJW culture of the Mid-10's.

The late 10's might be the #MAGA era. I can already feel it in some ways. Crime is down, unemployment is down, and we actually have a president who has a pair and is not afraid or ashamed to speak (or tweet) his mind. Good riddance to the PC SJW culture of the Mid-10's.


Sounds like wishful thinking, lol. Crime and unemployment has been going down throughout the decade. So far the late 2010s aren't a huge departure from the mid 2010s except politically and technologically. You wouldn't notice the difference by looking at a picture, listening to a song or through gauging social attitudes. I think we'll need a few more years for that.

The late 10's might be the #MAGA era. I can already feel it in some ways. Crime is down, unemployment is down, and we actually have a president who has a pair and is not afraid or ashamed to speak (or tweet) his mind. Good riddance to the PC SJW culture of the Mid-10's.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "PC SJW" culture?

I'm gonna have to disagree. The early '10s started chipping away in late 2012, when "hipster" fast retailers like H&M, Zara, Forever 21 etc. replaced the "preppy" mall logo brands like American Eagle, Aeropostale etc. and  by summer 2013 when everyone was twerking to Harlem Shake in their 5 second Snapchat videos the mid 2010s had definitely arrived.

I disagree. They stayed all up until late 2013.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "PC SJW" culture?


It's basically the culture, typically Millennial age, that gets offended by any conservative post on social media. Any conservative opinion post about what they feel is best for America gets twisted into being racist, homophobic, Islam-phobic, etc. It's also the culture of being "triggered" and needling their safe space. It also includes the neo-feminism movement.

I disagree. They stayed all up until late 2013.


http://www.businessinsider.com/abercrombie-aeropostale-american-eagle-are-not-cool-anymore-2013-8

The article is from the summer of 2013, talking about sales from the previous quarter (spring 2013).

Also, I was wrong about Snapchat. It actually got popular in late 2012 (personally I hadn't heard of it until summer 2013). That is also the same time Instagram got popular.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Snapchat

http://www.businessinsider.com/abercrombie-aeropostale-american-eagle-are-not-cool-anymore-2013-8

The article is from the summer of 2013, talking about sales from the previous quarter (spring 2013).
Also, I was wrong about Snapchat. It actually got popular in late 2012 (personally I hadn't heard of it until summer 2013). That is also the same time Instagram got popular.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Snapchat

Snapchat got popular in 2014,  not 2012. 2013 was mainly an early 2010s year.

Snapchat got popular in 2014,  not 2012. 2013 was mainly an early 2010s year.


No, Snapchat was gaining popularity in late 12/early 13 and got really popular by mid 2013.

The first time I heard of Instagram was at the end of 2011 & the first time I heard of Snapchat was in mid/late 2012. I started using both of them in mid 2013.

No, Snapchat was gaining popularity in late 12/early 13 and got really popular by mid 2013.

I honestly don't remember Snapchat being popular at that time. Now if it was late 2013/early 2014 then I would remember

No, Snapchat was gaining popularity in late 12/early 13 and got really popular by mid 2013.


Yeah, Snapchat got popular a lot earlier than I thought. This might because I'm an Android user, it appears it got popular on iPhone a few months earlier.  I found this article:
https://growthhackers.com/growth-studies/snapchat

https://gh-prod-ruby-images.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/image/file/18/SnapchatRankHistory-1.png

This was its ranking history in the Apple App Store. It seems it got into the Top 10 of most downloaded apps towards the end of 2012, maybe November or December.

https://gh-prod-ruby-images.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/image/file/21/SnapChatRankHistory2.png

This one is for Android. It caught on instantly and popped its head into the Top 20 sometime at the end of 2012, but the 'fad' died down a bit in early 2013, but by the beginning of summer it was back in full force and one of the most downloaded apps on Android.

Edit: I just realized Google includes things like movies/music in its rankings. The "application" is thus the most important line on that, so it actually got into the Top 10 in late 2012.

I honestly don't remember Snapchat being popular at that time. Now if it was late 2013/early 2014 then I would remember


Probably becasue you were still in your core childhood then and the people around you weren't using it, I was in High School at the time and it was definetly becoming popular at the time.

Probably becasue you were still in your core childhood then and the people around you weren't using it, I was in High School at the time and it was definetly becoming popular at the time.

I wasn't in my core childhood in 2013, though. Even then, I was already getting into social media and I don't remember seeing Snapchat being the most popular app, (I had a smartphone in 2013) but that's just me though. I did see more people using it in late 2013 though.

We'll know in hindsight.  :)

No, Snapchat was gaining popularity in late 12/early 13 and got really popular by mid 2013.

No it didn't. SnapChat only started getting big in early 2014.


I honestly don't remember Snapchat being popular at that time. Now if it was late 2013/early 2014 then I would remember

This. That's how it was. Nobody had SnapChat in 2012. It may have been popular in other countries but not in Canada for sure from my experience.

T early 2010s lasted well into 2013. 2013 was a transitional year and 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year. 2012 was 100% undoubtedly early 2010s just like 2011, no question about it. And 2013 was predominately early 2010s.

With the internet going the way of TV and radio, they do now.

No it didn't. SnapChat only started getting big in early 2014.
This. That's how it was. Nobody had SnapChat in 2012. It may have been popular in other countries but not in Canada for sure from my experience.

T early 2010s lasted well into 2013. 2013 was a transitional year and 2014 was the first full mid 2010s year. 2012 was 100% undoubtedly early 2010s just like 2011, no question about it. And 2013 was predominately early 2010s.


Ummm. Well you shouldn't tell people their wrong when you don't know what your talking about. You even said yourself that Snapchat only became popular during 2014 in Canada and last time I checked there were 194 other countries out there. I can tell you now, Snapchat was getting popular well before 2014.....just look what Slowpoke posted. I literally remember watching the News in about mid 2012 and there was an article about Snapchat and what people were using it for, throughout the next year and a half nearly everyone got it.  :P

By the beginning of 2013, 60 millions snapchats were already being sent every single day, seems pretty popular if you ask me ;) :P

Ummm. Well you shouldn't tell people their wrong when you don't know what your talking about. You even said yourself that Snapchat only became popular during 2014 in Canada and last time I checked there were 194 other countries out there. I can tell you now, Snapchat was getting popular well before 2014.....just look what Slowpoke posted. I literally remember watching the News in about mid 2012 and there was an article about Snapchat and what people were using it for, throughout the next year and a half nearly everyone got it.  :P

By the beginning of 2013, 60 millions snapchats were already being sent every single day, seems pretty popular if you ask me ;) :P

Over 3 BILLION snaps are sent daily now. It was nowhere near as popular as it is now, and it was mostly a US thing.
It only started gaining international popularity in late 2013/early 2014.

Over 3 BILLION snaps are sent daily now. It was nowhere near as popular as it is now, and it was mostly a US thing.
It only started gaining international popularity in late 2013/early 2014.


Obviously it wasn't going to be as popular as it is currently, duh. And it was also popular where I live, not just the U.S.

I remember Snapchat and Instagram becoming popular sometime in 2014. Facebook and Twitter were still the most popular social media sites in 2013, if I remember correctly.

I remember Snapchat and Instagram becoming popular sometime in 2014. Facebook and Twitter were still the most popular social media sites in 2013, if I remember correctly.
But Instagram became popular in 2012.

But Instagram became popular in 2012.

I agree.(started)


I remember Snapchat and Instagram becoming popular sometime in 2014. Facebook and Twitter were still the most popular social media sites in 2013, if I remember correctly.


Either you were living under a rock, or Wollongong is just really behind the times. No but really, you guys are some slow ass people ;D

I agree.(started)

Either you were living under a rock, or Wollongong is just really behind the times. No but really, you guys are some slow ass people ;D


Haha. I genuinely can't remember it being popular in 2012. No one ever mentioned it or anything. :P

Haha. I genuinely can't remember it being popular in 2012. No one ever mentioned it or anything. :P

I asked everyone around me and they all said it became popular around 3 years ago ???. I guess it depends on where you're from.

I asked everyone around me and they all said it became popular around 3 years ago ???. I guess it depends on where you're from.


That's when I remember it becoming popular as well, about Early 2014.

The app rankings don't lie. It was already big in 2013. The business article I linked is from October 2013 talking about how to replicate its success. Who would write an hours long article about some no name app and how to replicate its apparently non-existent popularity? They wouldn't. It was obviously already huge by then. C'mon you guys can't deny data and evidence ;D

Here's some more data to deny: Snapchat was the #5 most downloaded app in 2013, behind Google Maps but ahead of Facebook and Instagram.

I got Snapchat in summer 2013 (and I know it was summer because my username is related to Miley Cyrus and her twerking ;D). My friends all got it then too, I'm not some trendy person, I got it because they got it. One of my first snaps I sent to my friend was me clipping my toenails, my life is not interesting enough for Snapchat.

But Instagram became popular in 2012.


Yeah some of my friends' oldest photos go back to autumn 2012, that one is pretty easy to verify.

This is the decade of hipsters, social media, smartphones, and Obama. But then I don't segregate my cultural periods by decade.

But Instagram became popular in 2012.

Instagram was popular in 2013 - 2014, not 2012. I first heard of it in 2013 and I first heard of SnapChat in 2014.

Instagram was popular in 2013 - 2014, not 2012. I first heard of it in 2013 and I first heard of SnapChat in 2014.

I and a lot of people I know had an Instagram account as early as 2011 though ???

I and a lot of people I know had an Instagram account as early as 2011 though ???

I first heard of it in 2013 but maybe I was no longer into the social media thing anymore at that time.

I just don't remember many teens using Snapchat during late 2012 and early 2013. From my experience, many were still using Facebook which to me is an early 2010's thing. I'd say if you were a teen still using Facebook a lot by 2014 then you were seen as unhip.

Yeah, saying that Snapchat was popular in 2013 is a little off. It became mainstream in 2014. As for Instagram, I heard about in 2012 and knew people who had one; however, it was not popular until the end of 2013 at the most. The only people who were mainly using them then were high school and college students.

There weren't as many superhero movies popular before 2016, it was more about movies like Hunger Games and more social dynamic films. The late 2010s movies exploded with fantasy and superhero films.

There are new TV shows that are popular now in 2017 as well such as Stranger Things for example, which came out in 2016 and is a hugely popular show now.

Identity politics I think became way bigger in the late '10s. Although you are right it did have its roots in thr mid '10s especially in 2015, but it seems like it's the norm in the late 2010s.

Seriously? People were ALREADY complaining about the over saturation of superhero movies back in like 2014; I CLEARLY remember that. Just throwing that out.

Seriously? People were ALREADY complaining about the over saturation of superhero movies back in like 2014; I CLEARLY remember that. Just throwing that out.

I think there were more from 2016 onwards.