Not that I think it'll cease to exist any time soon, but its best days are clearly behind it. YouTube partnerships are declining and YT Red is simply not doing very well.

What is the future of video streaming going to be, and do you think there will ever be another like YouTube? What's going to happen to all those people whose livelihoods depended on YT ad revenue, how do you think they'll rejoin the economy, if at all?

My guess is more people will simply upload their original works to their own websites, as those are a much more reliable source of income, less vulnerable to takedowns and not susceptible to demonetization, as is the case on YouTube. Even in the early days of YouTube, many professional video-makers were forced to host their content independently due to YouTube either constantly taking down their videos for copyright infringement or simply because the site did not generate enough money in the first place. Nowadays, it’s easier than ever to create a website for hosting purposes, not to mention plenty of other video services exist besides YouTube to run those videos.

YouTube deserves this. Their constantly forcing change on their community. They should give us options for once. Its not like, every member of the community wouldn't agree and switch over.

I think Smosh is a perfect embodiment of YouTube's rise, peak, and fall.  When you look at where the channel began, where it was at it's height, and what it is now, you will notice a similar trend across the platform as a whole.

I do miss the "wild west" days of YouTube.  The days when two dudes could make a silly, terrible quality video that would then go viral, leading eventually to millions of subscribers and $$$ to the duo.

I still think that ever since original streamed shows became massive, YouTube developed a reputation as a media ghetto, dominated mostly by shallowly commercialized content, dudebro let’s plays, and alt-right memes such as Gas Gas Gas and Moon Man. The community itself is and always has been full of trolls, but the advent of big-budget, studio-produced online series, plus Twitter’s increased popularity, have given everyday people less of a reason than ever to meet and connect with others on YouTube.


I think Smosh is a perfect embodiment of YouTube's rise, peak, and fall.  When you look at where the channel began, where it was at it's height, and what it is now, you will notice a similar trend across the platform as a whole.

Totally agreed. I actually recently made that exact analogy here myself.

Yeah, I agree with others have said especially with the copyright infringements. I can't find and I used to watch due to that issue. I have a feeling that YouTube won't last past 2020 and that other sites similar to it wilk take its place.

There was a distinct change in the platform of YouTube ever since the Google+ debacle in 2013. This was the beginning of Youtube's downfall IMO, because it ended the sort 'wild west' mentality of the site in its glory days in the late 2000's & early 2010's, and ushered in the corporate and stringent side of YouTube of today. Around this time YouTube also started to tamper massively with the algorithm systems on many popular channels, leading to many channels going under (most notably Smosh). As the actual view count was less vital to ad. revenue, as the views in relation to sub counts and rate of popularity, more and more channels attempted to changing up their style to accompany with that change. This along with more strict censorship policies on the content of the videos, has led to more and more content creators essentially giving up on the whole 'Broadcast Yourself' experiment.

A lot of us blame the copyright law for one of YouTube's fall but, could it really have been helped? I'm glad I got over this with the fact that, most incorporations have official YouTube channels now.

If I knew the risk of uncertain outcomes, I would be safe than sorry.

There was a distinct change in the platform of YouTube ever since the Google+ debacle in 2013. This was the beginning of Youtube's downfall IMO, because it ended the sort 'wild west' mentality of the site in its glory days in the late 2000's & early 2010's, and ushered in the corporate and stringent side of YouTube of today. Around this time YouTube also started to tamper massively with the algorithm systems on many popular channels, leading to many channels going under (most notably Smosh). As the actual view count was less vital to ad. revenue, as the views in relation to sub counts and rate of popularity, more and more channels attempted to changing up their style to accompany with that change. This along with more strict censorship policies on the content of the videos, has led to more and more content creators essentially giving up on the whole 'Broadcast Yourself' experiment.


Was that around the time of the YouTube copyright infringement action? Because if so, I can sort of understand these inconvenient changes might've been compulsory.

Well YouTube probably is coming close to have run its course.

I mean, there are only so many videos of people lighting farts or taking colossal nut shots before it all gets boring.

Well YouTube probably is coming close to have run its course.

I mean, there are only so many videos of people lighting farts or taking colossal nut shots before it all gets boring.


Lighting farts and nut shots?
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True. Well I'm sure I'll miss youtube when the next big thing overtakes it or when it falls from its current status. I'm mainly just sick of the samey videos. Back when in the older days people made crazy videos on....well whatever crazy thing they could think of. Now it seems like people are just following the same 5 trends everywhere you look.

Lighting farts and nut shots?
https://media.tenor.com/images/ec6bb1f918d9537f476dac760e337bb6/tenor.gif

True. Well I'm sure I'll miss youtube when the next big thing overtakes it or when it falls from its current status. I'm mainly just sick of the samey videos. Back when in the older days people made crazy videos on....well whatever crazy thing they could think of. Now it seems like people are just following the same 5 trends everywhere you look.


I think Jake "England is my city" Paul is the epitome of everything that is wrong with today's YouTube.

I think Jake "England is my city" Paul is the epitome of everything that is wrong with today's YouTube.
Are there any videos by him that describe today's youtube?

Lighting farts and nut shots?
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Yep...  :o

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Why would anyone do this on purpose.  :\'(

and alt-right memes such as Gas Gas Gas and Moon Man.

Plus the dime-a-dozen "pop right" celebrities like Sargon of Akkad, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, etc. with rather samey views (liberals suck, Trump is a secret super-genius, etc.)

My guess is more people will simply upload their original works to their own websites,

Do internet uploaders even use websites as platforms anymore? It seems to have gone the way of the dodo since the early 2010s.

Plus the dime-a-dozen "pop right" celebrities like Sargon of Akkad, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, etc. with rather samey views (liberals suck, Trump is a secret super-genius, etc.)


Yeah, thay've turned Youtube into a sheeshe show but lately, people are getting a lot wiser to their act. Plus their act is getting old.

I think Jake "England is my city" Paul is the epitome of everything that is wrong with today's YouTube.


Actually, Nick Crompton is the guy whose signature line is "England is my city." The cheesiest Jake Paul line, to my knowledge, is either "Disney Channel flow" or his dissing of PewDiePie.


Do internet uploaders even use websites as platforms anymore? It seems to have gone the way of the dodo since the early 2010s.


Yeah they do. Channel Awesome and Cinemassacre, for example, still post new videos on their own websites in addition to YouTube.

Yeah, thay've turned Youtube into a sheeshe show but lately, people are getting a lot wiser to their act. Plus their act is getting old.


I wouldn't be so sure. People are mad gullible.

Not that I think it'll cease to exist any time soon, but its best days are clearly behind it. YouTube partnerships are declining and YT Red is simply not doing very well.

What is the future of video streaming going to be, and do you think there will ever be another like YouTube? What's going to happen to all those people whose livelihoods depended on YT ad revenue, how do you think they'll rejoin the economy, if at all?


YouTube just wants the money for you to stream film and TV and the thing is I don't think they'll be another YouTube.

Lighting farts and nut shots?
https://media.tenor.com/images/ec6bb1f918d9537f476dac760e337bb6/tenor.gif

True. Well I'm sure I'll miss youtube when the next big thing overtakes it or when it falls from its current status. I'm mainly just sick of the samey videos. Back when in the older days people made crazy videos on....well whatever crazy thing they could think of. Now it seems like people are just following the same 5 trends everywhere you look.


I'm guessing within the next couple of years viewing videos won't become free anymore.

I'm guessing within the next couple of years viewing videos won't become free anymore.

I certainly hope that's not the case. :-[

I'm guessing within the next couple of years viewing videos won't become free anymore.


Let youtube go ahead and do that. When their platform dies and is replaced the execs better not look at each other and go "what happened?". I ain't paying a fee to watch a troll/poorly done video.

I certainly hope that's not the case. :-[


I hope not too.

Let youtube go ahead and do that. When their platform dies and is replaced the execs better not look at each other and go "what happened?". I ain't paying a fee to watch a troll/poorly done video.


Do you have a choice?

There was a distinct change in the platform of YouTube ever since the Google+ debacle in 2013. This was the beginning of Youtube's downfall IMO, because it ended the sort 'wild west' mentality of the site in its glory days in the late 2000's & early 2010's, and ushered in the corporate and stringent side of YouTube of today. Around this time YouTube also started to tamper massively with the algorithm systems on many popular channels, leading to many channels going under (most notably Smosh). As the actual view count was less vital to ad. revenue, as the views in relation to sub counts and rate of popularity, more and more channels attempted to changing up their style to accompany with that change. This along with more strict censorship policies on the content of the videos, has led to more and more content creators essentially giving up on the whole 'Broadcast Yourself' experiment.

I remember when they added the Google+ update and all I kept seeing were people in the comments raging and rant videos about it lol

I remember when they added the Google+ update and all I kept seeing were people in the comments raging and rant videos about it lol


I wish there was a way to get out of Google Plus, I can't figure out how but I do not wish to be or to join in their clubs or whatever they call it online, They keep sending me notifications.

I feel like YouTube has a monopoly now and I can't see it dying anytime soon but I can see other video sites being competitive alongside YouTube and being pretty big players as well. But YouTube is just so big that I could see even Facebook dying before it.

I'm guessing within the next couple of years viewing videos won't become free anymore.

If that were the case then Good Riddance to YouTube.  ;D Nobody would take that crap.

Plus the dime-a-dozen "pop right" celebrities like Sargon of Akkad, Paul Joseph Watson, Milo, etc. with rather samey views (liberals suck, Trump is a secret super-genius, etc.)


In classifying them, this is probably how it goes from least extreme to most extreme:

1. "Not really" Alt-Right: basically typical people that are anti-SJW (Tomi Lahren, Sargon of Akkad, Thunderf00t, Ben Shapiro, Styxhexenhammer666, Jordan Peterson, Alex Jones)

2. The Alt-Lite: has some views in common with the alt-right, but does not have that strong of racism or misogyny (Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes, Laura Loomer, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, Milo Yiannopolous)

3. The "Alt-Medium": these people usually tend to be openly sexist (Roosh V, Black Pigeon, Larsen Halleck, Ramzpaul, Lion of the Blogosphere, Jim Goad)

4. The Alt-Right: the true members of the "alt-right" - these people have misogynist views, but they also advocate racial segregation and white nationalism. Some even favor abortion on those that are not white (Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, James "Roissy" Weidmann, Marcus Epstein, Kevin B. MacDonald, Henrik Palmgren, Matthew Heimbach, Vox Day)

5. Neo-Nazi: these individuals just let their hateful views all out and have lost touch with reality (Varg Vikernes, Paladin Justice, Nathan Damigo, Andrew Anglin, David Duke, Weev, John Friend)

In classifying them, this is probably how it goes from least radical to most radical:

1. "Not really" Alt-Right: basically typical people that are anti-SJW (Tomi Lahren, Sargon of Akkad, Thunderf00t, Ben Shapiro, Styxhexenhammer666)

2. The Alt-Lite: has some views in common with the alt-right, but does not have that much racism or misogyny (Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes, Laura Loomer, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopolous)

3. The Men's Rights Activists: these people usually tend to be openly sexist (Roosh V, Black Pigeon, Larsen Halleck, Ramzpaul, Lion of the Blogosphere)

4. The Alt-Right: the true members of the "alt-right" - these people advocate racial segregation and white nationalism. Some even favor abortion on those that are not white (Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, James "Roissy" Weidmann, Marcus Epstein, Colin "Millennial Woes" Robertson, Henrik Palmgren)

5. Neo-Nazi: these individuals are just nothing but complete fruitcakes and many of their views are absolutely abhorrent and bizarre. (Andrew Anglin, Paladin Justice, David Duke, Matthew Heimbach, Nathan Damigo, Varg Vikernes)


To me, alt-right was intended to be a catch-all term for all these groups (except #1).

Mens rights movement was a real thing and had nothing to do with alt right and anti-feminism. I don't know about it now and if its meaning changed, but I heard of that years ago and it was supposed to be a positive thing so men can get the same amount of paternity leave from work and men should not face stricter punishments for the same crime as women or something like that. From when I heard about it years ago, it was a positive movement.

In classifying them, this is probably how it goes from least radical to most radical:

1. "Not really" Alt-Right: basically typical people that are anti-SJW (Tomi Lahren, Sargon of Akkad, Thunderf00t, Ben Shapiro, Styxhexenhammer666)

2. The Alt-Lite: has some views in common with the alt-right, but does not have that much racism or misogyny (Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes, Laura Loomer, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopolous)

3. The Men's Rights Activists: these people usually tend to be openly sexist (Roosh V, Black Pigeon, Larsen Halleck, Ramzpaul, Lion of the Blogosphere)

4. The Alt-Right: the true members of the "alt-right" - these people advocate racial segregation and white nationalism. Some even favor abortion on those that are not white (Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, James "Roissy" Weidmann, Marcus Epstein, Colin "Millennial Woes" Robertson, Henrik Palmgren)

5. Neo-Nazi: these individuals are just nothing but complete fruitcakes and many of their views are absolutely abhorrent and bizarre. (Andrew Anglin, Paladin Justice, David Duke, Matthew Heimbach, Nathan Damigo, Varg Vikernes)
this left right stuff is annoying and fake.

Mens rights movement was a real thing and had nothing to do with alt right and anti-feminism. I don't know about it now and if its meaning changed, but I heard of that years ago and it was supposed to be a positive thing so men can get the same amount of paternity leave from work and men should not face stricter punishments for the same crime as women or something like that. From when I heard about it years ago, it was a positive movement.


It usually gets lumped with the alt-right though.

Return of Kings, Chateau Heartiste (this website also dedicates itself to white nationalism), and PUAHate (shut down after the Isla Vista Killings and many users there now go to the website SlutHate) are all websites dedicated to Men's Rights Activism and all of them get lumped within the alt-right.

Mens rights movement was a real thing and had nothing to do with alt right and anti-feminism. I don't know about it now and if its meaning changed, but I heard of that years ago and it was supposed to be a positive thing so men can get the same amount of paternity leave from work and men should not face stricter punishments for the same crime as women or something like that. From when I heard about it years ago, it was a positive movement.


I heard about it back in 2011, since it was a huge deal on my campus. MRAs (men's right activists) have always been rape apologists, "pickup artist" types. They think women not having sex with them is oppression. I mean, they counter-protested against our anti-rape on campus rally, I need not say more haha. It's not about prostate cancer or father's custody rights for them, that's some other the thing, I forgot the name of it.

Not that I think it'll cease to exist any time soon, but its best days are clearly behind it. YouTube partnerships are declining and YT Red is simply not doing very well.

What is the future of video streaming going to be, and do you think there will ever be another like YouTube? What's going to happen to all those people whose livelihoods depended on YT ad revenue, how do you think they'll rejoin the economy, if at all?

I hope not! I discover lots of bands that are new to me that way!

2. The Alt-Lite: has some views in common with the alt-right, but does not have that much racism or misogyny (Paul Joseph Watson, Gavin McInnes, Laura Loomer, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopolous)

For the alt lite that's usually true, with the exception of Muslims (though it's debated if Islam is a race or not).

I heard about it back in 2011, since it was a huge deal on my campus. MRAs (men's right activists) have always been rape apologists, "pickup artist" types. They think women not having sex with them is oppression. I mean, they counter-protested against our anti-rape on campus rally, I need not say more haha. It's not about prostate cancer or father's custody rights for them, that's some other the thing, I forgot the name of it.


I actually just went on the MRA reddit because everyone keeps talking about it in this thread, and not one post has anything about rape or is sexist
Some of the posts I saw when I checked it out had stuff like


-Most suicides happen to be done by males and how to stop it

There was also this that was talked about,
- The injustice of the court system siding with Women instead of men
- There is not 1 Abuse shelter for men but thousands for women

There was also this video that was shared, and audinece laughing at a man
getting beat by a woman, but if it was the other way around they wouldn't be laughing and
Jeremy Kyle called them out on it

7PR5ryhnYtQ

I have a little brother and the stuff he says in school scares me, There is no doubt bad stuff happening to Women
and its horrible, I am glad this whole weinstien thing got busted, but there seems to be this smear campaign by nazi
feminists to label MRAS women hating, when not one post I saw had anything bad to say about women. However the people
at your school may have been nuts, there is alot of crazy people out there, but  I just did some research on MRAS
and more stuff popped up like this


https://i.imgur.com/AaZpIp1.png




l

I actually just went on the MRA reddit because everyone keeps talking about it in this thread, and not one post has anything about rape or is sexist
Some of the posts I saw when I checked it out had stuff like


-Most suicides happen to be done by males and how to stop it

There was also this that was talked about,
- The injustice of the court system siding with Women instead of men
- There is not 1 Abuse shelter for men but thousands for women

There was also this video that was shared, and audinece laughing at a man
getting beat by a woman, but if it was the other way around they wouldn't be laughing and
Jeremy Kyle called them out on it

7PR5ryhnYtQ

I have a little brother and the stuff he says in school scares me, There is no doubt bad stuff happening to Women
and its horrible, I am glad this whole weinstien thing got busted, but there seems to be this smear campaign by nazi
feminists to label MRAS women hating, when not one post I saw had anything bad to say about women.


l

Yeah that's what I thought it was about. Maybe the alt right used it for their evil agenda and are now making it about pro-rape, which is disgusting in itself.

Yeah that's what I thought it was about. Maybe the alt right used it for their evil agenda and are now making it about pro-rape, which is disgusting in itself.


But I just went to their forum and not one post talks about Rape

this is one of the topics that was posted

https://i.imgur.com/AaZpIp1.png




Then a feminist went inside the thread and called it misogynistic to post that.
I feel like whenver an injustice about what women do to men is talked about
they just scream misogynistic.  I am starting to think Feminists are calling MRA websites
sexist and rape to discredit it, because not one post I saw has anything to do with rape.

My sister is a Feminist its really scary.  She went to this parade and had a sign that said DIE men DIE.

I actually just went on the MRA reddit because everyone keeps talking about it in this thread, and not one post has anything about rape or is sexist
Some of the posts I saw when I checked it out had stuff like


-Most suicides happen to be done by males and how to stop it

There was also this that was talked about,
- The injustice of the court system siding with Women instead of men
- There is not 1 Abuse shelter for men but thousands for women

There was also this video that was shared, and audinece laughing at a man
getting beat by a woman, but if it was the other way around they wouldn't be laughing and
Jeremy Kyle called them out on it

7PR5ryhnYtQ

I have a little brother and the stuff he says in school scares me, There is no doubt bad stuff happening to Women
and its horrible, I am glad this whole weinstien thing got busted, but there seems to be this smear campaign by nazi
feminists to label MRAS women hating, when not one post I saw had anything bad to say about women. However the people
at your school may have been nuts, there is alot of crazy people out there, but  I just did some research on MRAS
and more stuff popped up like this


https://i.imgur.com/AaZpIp1.png




l


You have a completely different way of reading those threads than most people would, which makes sense, I mean you're a man with MRA-sympathies.

That tweet for example is NOT an argument for objectification (of any gender) being wrong, it's instead saying "if women are allowed to objectify, then we're allowed to do it too". It completely ignores that 95% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men, and thus objectification of women is disproportionately harmful.

Also, you straight up missed the celebration going on in the "Jerry Brown Vetoes Campus Sexual Assault Bill Because It Threatens Due Process" thread. This is exactly the rape apology I'm talking about. The kids I met in 2011 didn't want date/drunk rape to be a crime and didn't think sexual assault was grounds for expulsion. The reason Brown vetoed it was the same, he didn't think people should be "deprived of education", ignoring that these perverts deprive women from education by making the campus unsafe for them. Go to any campus, you'll find MRAs arguing against every anti-rape measure.

You have a completely different way of reading those threads than most people would, which makes sense, I mean you're a man with MRA-sympathies.

That tweet for example is NOT an argument for objectification (of any gender) being wrong, it's instead saying "if women are allowed to objectify, then we're allowed to do it too". It completely ignores that 95% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men, and thus objectification of women is disproportionately harmful.

Also, you straight up missed the celebration going on in the "Jerry Brown Vetoes Campus Sexual Assault Bill Because It Threatens Due Process" thread. This is exactly the rape apology I'm talking about. The kids I met in 2011 didn't want date/drunk rape to be a crime and didn't think sexual assault was grounds for expulsion. The reason Brown vetoed it was the same, he didn't think people should be "deprived of education", ignoring that these perverts deprive women from education by making the campus unsafe for them. Go to any campus, you'll find MRAs arguing against every anti-rape measure.


1)I am a woman
2) I am on the MRA forum right now and none of the posts talk about Rape.

https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/GPqY613.png


There is no doubt there are some crazy Bill Cosby type people out there, but don't try to trick people on this site into thinking MRA people are rape types
when that is not the case. I literally read for 2 hours about MRAS after someone in this thread kept quoting it.

It is posts like this that make me glad that I am not a feminist

By the way that tweet about Buldges was posted a year after the first one, had nothing to do with comparing sexism, the writier of cosmo
litreally made a post a year before how it is not okay to be sexist, and then a year later made a post about mens penises, this is not the first time
they have done that , and it kind of condtions you into thinking that stuff is ok


3) A guy raped me many years ago in highschool, so how dare you say some of the things you said.

4) While browsing the internets, this came up written by a feminist

https://i.imgur.com/KgxddTF.jpg

5) Here is a post on how Feminism can be traced back to evil  Marxsistism

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/103231/marxist-roots-feminism-spyridon-mitsotakis

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6) Being a woman myself I am all for empowerment, however I am not all for tricking people or brainwashing them with the hive mentality.

7)  " I mean you're a man with MRA-sympathies. "  I am a woman, and that was a VERY sexist remark, Kind of ironic isn't it?


8) SPeaking of CEOS

http://fortune.com/2017/06/07/fortune-women-ceos/

"The 2017 Fortune 500 Includes a Record Number of Women CEOs"