Most of this decade so far has somewhat felt like an extension of the aughts.  While there definitely are some differences between 2000-2008 and 2009-Present, for the most part it has felt like the same era.  The zeitgeist really hasn't changed all that much.  Now, in late 2017, I am really starting to feel some distance between today and the aughts.  2006 no longer feels like it was just yesterday.  It feels like another world.  2008 feels more like the world of my adolescence than it does today's world.  It's almost impossible.  It's not long before 2009 and the early '10s will feel just as distant.  Has anybody else felt this way yet?

Intensely feeling the lack of rock music is what made me realize how far from the 00s we are.

I'm not a big fan of 2002-2007 so I'm not exactly missing those days. However, I have been pretty nostalgic over 1999-2001 lately.

If feels the same since 2012.

same old story      same old song and dance

It's felt the same since 2012? :P

I agree that the 2000's do feel quite distant now. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not, but now that we some distance away from the 2000's, it feels as though the cultural identity of the '00s is a lot more evident. Before I used to believe that the 2000's had no real "solid identity", but it's becoming more and more obvious as the years go on.

This decade always felt very distinct from the 2000s to me.

As for distance, yeah, the 2000s are showing their age. Watching a Kelly video from 2007 will make you scream "that's so 2000s..."

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The early 2000s already felt very distant for me by 2005. However, the entire 2000s are just now starting to feel distant.

This decade always felt very distinct from the 2000s to me.

As for distance, yeah, the 2000s are showing their age. Watching a Kelly video from 2007 will make you scream "that's so 2000s..."

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Actually, the only thing that makes me think of it as the 2000s is the video quality. Other than that, everything else could pass possibly. God, I love the Shoes video. It's one of the greatest things that came out of the 2000s. You'd be amazed at how behind most towns are outside the metros. although stores like Wal-Mart are uniforming everything.

Actually, the only thing that makes me think of it as the 2000s is the video quality. Other than that, everything else could pass possibly. God, I love the Shoes video. It's one of the greatest things that came out of the 2000s. You'd be amazed at how behind most towns are outside the metros. although stores like Wal-Mart are uniforming everything.


I don't know why, but when I think 2000s, I get a very suburban image in my head, like in that video. I watched too much Desperate Housewives.  :-X

I don't know why, but when I think 2000s, I get a very suburban image in my head, like in that video. I watched too much Desperate Housewives.  :-X


I actually get that. There's something very suburban about the 2000s and something very city about the 10s.

For me, the early 2000's have always felt distant for years now, thats nothing new.
However, in the last few years the mid 2000's have been looking more and more dated and it definitely looks different to today, now even the late 2000s are starting to go the same way, maybe with the exception of 2009...

It's felt the same since 2012? :P

I agree that the 2000's do feel quite distant now. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this or not, but now that we some distance away from the 2000's, it feels as though the cultural identity of the '00s is a lot more evident. Before I used to believe that the 2000's had no real "solid identity", but it's becoming more and more obvious as the years go on.

I agree 100%.

I still don't get how some people feel like 2009 "feels the same as" 2017. What? Not even close. 2009 is a different world compared to 2017. Why do people keep thinking this?

For me, the early 2000's have always felt distant for years now, thats nothing new.
However, in the last few years the mid 2000's have been looking more and more dated and it definitely looks different to today, now even the late 2000s are starting to go the same way, maybe with the exception of 2009...


I would agree.  2009 still feels connected to today but that is really getting long in the tooth.  2008 and before seems like another world and might as well be the 90s.

I still don't get how some people feel like 2009 "feels the same as" 2017. What? Not even close. 2009 is a different world compared to 2017. Why do people keep thinking this?


2009 is quite different but I wouldn't say it's a "different world" yet.  It will definitely be there soon but it isn't quite yet.  I still feel some connection with 2009.  A big indicator of this is that the celebrity culture today is still the one that set itself up in 2009-11.

2009 is quite different but I wouldn't say it's a "different world" yet.  It will definitely be there soon but it isn't quite yet.  I still feel some connection with 2009.  A big indicator of this is that the celebrity culture today is still the one that set itself up in 2009-11.

I get what you're saying but 2009 is a different world than today.

Also, most celebrities that were popular in 2009-2011 are no longer popular or not as popular as they were then.

This thread is making me feel sad. I miss the 2000’s so much.  :\'( It was such a better and happier time in my personal life. Pop culturally it was great too. The 2000’s were probably the last good decade for music. The only 2010’s years that were bearable for me were 2010-2013 (except for 2012) But I might be biased here, because in 2012 my personal life wasn’t good, and the 00s already felt distant to me by then.

2009 is quite different but I wouldn't say it's a "different world" yet.  It will definitely be there soon but it isn't quite yet.  I still feel some connection with 2009.  A big indicator of this is that the celebrity culture today is still the one that set itself up in 2009-11.


I get what you're saying. It doesn't feel like we've truly moved on from Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Rihanna, etc. Sure, there's all these other stars running around but they're lacking in stardom in some way. And no one has come and topped Lady Gaga in terms of a period of sheer super fame.

Actually, the only thing that makes me think of it as the 2000s is the video quality. Other than that, everything else could pass possibly. God, I love the Shoes video. It's one of the greatest things that came out of the 2000s. You'd be amazed at how behind most towns are outside the metros. although stores like Wal-Mart are uniforming everything.


I think there are many things in that video that make me think of the 2000s, for example look at what the people are wearing...

I still don't get how some people feel like 2009 "feels the same as" 2017. What? Not even close. 2009 is a different world compared to 2017. Why do people keep thinking this?


I don't think 2009 and 2017 feel the same, in fact they are quite different! The only reason I singled out 2009 in my response was that if I was to watch a video form 2009, I wouldn't be like oh "that's so 2000s" like i would with a video from 2005/6 for example. Simply because it was the very last year of the decade and there were influences from another decade in there so it wasn't simply the 2000s aesthetic. 2009 can quite easily blend in with earlier years of the 2010s that's why I said that, but no I don't think 2009 is the same as today.

I think there are many things in that video that make me think of the 2000s, for example look at what the people are wearing...


I get that hip fashion trends changes with each decade but for most average people, fashion changes very slowly. The average person isn't as far from the AVERAGE 80s as you think.

It depends what portion of the 2000s we are talking about.

2000 - 2005 = Very old school

2006 - 2007 = Pretty old school

2008 - 2009 = Dated, but still feels relatively recent

The 2000s in general have felt distant to me for a while now. Things are definitely not the same as they used to be. I would love to go back and do things differently in life. I always take the present time for granted, I think we all do in some way.

I get that hip fashion trends changes with each decade but for most average people, fashion changes very slowly. The average person isn't as far from the AVERAGE 80s as you think.

What do you mean by this?

Depends what portion of the 2000s we are talking about.

2000 - 2005 = Very old school

2006 - 2007 = Pretty old school

2008 - 2009 = Dated, but still feels relatively recent

The 2000s in general have felt distant to me for a while now. Things are definitely not the same as they used to be. I would love to go back and do things differently in life.

I mostly agree with this.

What do you mean by this?


Think about jeans. By the time the 80s rolled around jeans were pretty casual for both men and women, this wasn't a very common attire before the 70s and even during the 70s, there was still some holdovers. It wasn't until the 80s that jeans and denim became so commonplace. Since the 80s, average people have an incredibly casual dress code about them...at least in the US. A lot of people in Europe seem to still dress fancy when they go shopping. lol.

Think about jeans. By the time the 80s rolled around jeans were pretty casual for both men and women, this wasn't a very common attire before the 70s and even during the 70s, there was still some holdovers. It wasn't until the 80s that jeans and denim became so commonplace. Since the 80s, average people have an incredibly casual dress code about them...at least in the US. A lot of people in Europe seem to still dress fancy when they go shopping. lol.

This is true.

However, most fashion trends of the '80s have long died out

Everything 2012 and earlier feels really old to me, but that’s largely because I’ve since grown and changed so much as a person.

The early ‘00s are basically retro now, like 2000, 2001, 2002...I mean that is actually a pretty long time ago and is actually WAY different from today. The middle of the ‘00s is really old school too like 2004-2005, it doesn’t quite have that borderline retro feel that 2001 does but it’s almost there. 2003 is borderline between basically retro and really old school. 2007-2008 is pretty dated and basically old school but still has a little more modern feeling than other parts of the ‘00s. 2006 is borderline between really old school and pretty dated. 2009 is a little dated but I would group more in with the very early ‘10s in terms of how dated it seems.

The early ‘00s are basically retro now, like 2000, 2001, 2002...I mean that is actually a pretty long time ago and is actually WAY different from today. The middle of the ‘00s is really old school too like 2004-2005, it doesn’t quite have that borderline retro feel that 2001 does but it’s almost there. 2003 is borderline between basically retro and really old school. 2007-2008 is pretty dated and basically old school but still has a little more modern feeling than other parts of the ‘00s. 2006 is borderline between really old school and pretty dated. 2009 is a little dated but I would group more in with the very early ‘10s in terms of how dated it seems.


I agree with this!

2000 feels a lot more dated than 2005, which feels a lot more dated than 2009 :P

The early ‘00s are basically retro now, like 2000, 2001, 2002...I mean that is actually a pretty long time ago and is actually WAY different from today. The middle of the ‘00s is really old school too like 2004-2005, it doesn’t quite have that borderline retro feel that 2001 does but it’s almost there. 2003 is borderline between basically retro and really old school. 2007-2008 is pretty dated and basically old school but still has a little more modern feeling than other parts of the ‘00s. 2006 is borderline between really old school and pretty dated. 2009 is a little dated but I would group more in with the very early ‘10s in terms of how dated it seems.

I agree with you on this

Too me 2000-2006 feels really old and 2007-2009 feel dated,but not really old and retro.

Still sad that I wasn't a teen in the mid and late 2000s.

Everything 2012 and earlier feels really old to me, but that’s largely because I’ve since grown and changed so much as a person.

Same here.


The early ‘00s are basically retro now, like 2000, 2001, 2002...I mean that is actually a pretty long time ago and is actually WAY different from today. The middle of the ‘00s is really old school too like 2004-2005, it doesn’t quite have that borderline retro feel that 2001 does but it’s almost there. 2003 is borderline between basically retro and really old school. 2007-2008 is pretty dated and basically old school but still has a little more modern feeling than other parts of the ‘00s. 2006 is borderline between really old school and pretty dated. 2009 is a little dated but I would group more in with the very early ‘10s in terms of how dated it seems.

Yep...I can agree with this.

Its crazy to think about. Even 2009 has distances to me.

The early ‘00s are basically retro now, like 2000, 2001, 2002...I mean that is actually a pretty long time ago and is actually WAY different from today. The middle of the ‘00s is really old school too like 2004-2005, it doesn’t quite have that borderline retro feel that 2001 does but it’s almost there. 2003 is borderline between basically retro and really old school. 2007-2008 is pretty dated and basically old school but still has a little more modern feeling than other parts of the ‘00s. 2006 is borderline between really old school and pretty dated. 2009 is a little dated but I would group more in with the very early ‘10s in terms of how dated it seems.

To me retro would mean 20 years ago. They are not quite there yet but super dated for sure.

To me retro would mean 20 years ago. They are not wuite there yet but super dated for sure.


Yeah maybe not truly retro but getting very close tbh.

To me retro would mean 20 years ago. They are not quite there yet but super dated for sure.

Well, everyone has their own definition of retro. So what's retro to you might not be retro to me.

Yeah, it's interesting to see how much can change in just a number of years. 2017 definitely has a different feel to it than 2009. Back in 2009, you still had plenty of people recording or taking pictures with a digital camera, whereas now you would see everybody with a smartphone.

In terms of how dated the 2000's are, I'd say 2000-2006 are beyond dated, 2007-2009 are beginning to show their aging process, especially 2007.

Well, everyone has their own definition of retro. So what's retro to you might not be retro to me.

I don't think anything before 20 years can be considered retro. Too recent. Retro is the next level up from ancient pretty much, actually retro and ancient can be synonymous too.

I don't think anything before 20 years can be considered retro. Too recent. Retro is the next level up from ancient pretty much, actually retro and ancient can be synonymous too.

What? No, that is false. Retro and ancient are related but also very different things.

For example, ancient is something like The Parthenon but retro is something like the TWA Terminal at JFK International Airport.

Retro is something that is kinda old. Vintage is even older than that. Ancient is when we're talking about some previous century stuff. To me Retro is just something from around 20-50 years ago. I can see the 1970s as retro, but no vintage. The 1920s is something that is more vintage. I'd see people saying that 80s-90s stuff are vintage, but that makes no sense as they're not THAT old. And ancient to me is something like from the very beginning of the 20th century and older basically around 100 years to me.

Retro is something that is kinda old. Vintage is even older than that. Ancient is when we're talking about some previous century stuff. To me Retro is just something from around 20-50 years ago. I can see the 1970s as retro, but no vintage. The 1920s is something that is more vintage. I'd see people saying that 80s-90s stuff are vintage, but that makes no sense as they're not THAT old. And ancient to me is something like from the very beginning of the 20th century and older basically around 100 years to me.

Yeah, I basically agree with that.

For me it is all this SJW, antifa rioting, angry populism that make the 00s seem like a different era, socially and politically things felt more complacent back then.

For me it is all this SJW, antifa rioting, angry populism that make the 00s seem like a different era, socially and politically things felt more complacent back then.


For me, this new era of white supremacists rallying and plowing into crowds is what makes this era different from any era I've lived through. I have little doubt the good guys will smash em back tho.

The 2000's as a whole definitely are showing their age these days. The fashion for example is looking a lot more relaxed and less uptight then the clothes in the 2010's. Same for the music and the analogue TV picture quality.  I think that's when you know an era is getting old. When it starts to look like a more relaxed and easygoing time.

The 2000's as a whole definitely are showing their age these days. The fashion for example is looking a lot more relaxed and less uptight then the clothes in the 2010's. Same for the music and the analogue TV picture quality.  I think that's when you know an era is getting old. When it starts to look like a more relaxed and easygoing time.


Revisiting some of the more forgotten hits of 2008 and 2009 really reveals how far back the era actually was.  Most nostalgia for the era focuses on the Katy Perries, Lady Gagas, and Taylor Swifts i.e. artists that laid the foundation for today's music.  There actually was plenty that was popular back then that is pretty dated by today's standards.

The 2000's as a whole definitely are showing their age these days. The fashion for example is looking a lot more relaxed and less uptight then the clothes in the 2010's. Same for the music and the analogue TV picture quality.  I think that's when you know an era is getting old. When it starts to look like a more relaxed and easygoing time.


Really? I feel the opposite. Clothing rules felt way more relaxed in the 2000s.  I actually feel like clothing rules have been relaxing of late but compared to the rest of the 2010s, for most people, it's been all about the jeans/khaki and plaid. Father John Misty put it as said

"Like, everyone kind of looks like a graphic designer. I just hate that look… It’s predicated on not fking up, as opposed to the emphasis really being on expression. "

Revisiting some of the more forgotten hits of 2008 and 2009 really reveals how far back the era actually was.  Most nostalgia for the era focuses on the Katy Perries, Lady Gagas, and Taylor Swifts i.e. artists that laid the foundation for today's music.  There actually was plenty that was popular back then that is pretty dated by today's standards.
This! I honestly can't believe how most folks forgot about the Rap, R&B, Rock/Alternative and, other non-electropop music that was very popular at that time. I have actually listened to some songs from that period, and they absolutely would not fit with today's music scene.


Really? I feel the opposite. Clothing rules felt way more relaxed in the 2000s.  I actually feel like clothing rules have been relaxing of late but compared to the rest of the 2010s, for most people, it's been all about the jeans/khaki and plaid. Father John Misty put it as said

"Like, everyone kind of looks like a graphic designer. I just hate that look… It’s predicated on not fking up, as opposed to the emphasis really being on expression. "
I think he said the thing same you're agreeing with. Clothes were truly less uptight in the 00s.

For me it is all this SJW, antifa rioting, angry populism that make the 00s seem like a different era, socially and politically things felt more complacent back then.


If you're identifying those as socially significant, then you have to separate those from the mid 2010s as well. 2015 didn't have those at full bloom. Nobody knew what an SJW was. Antifa was underground. Hillary Clinton was a sure bet on the Democratic nomination, and Trump didn't have a majority of Republicans supporting him yet.

If you're identifying those as socially significant, then you have to separate those from the mid 2010s as well. 2015 didn't have those at full bloom. Nobody knew what an SJW was. Antifa was underground. Hillary Clinton was a sure bet on the Democratic nomination, and Trump didn't have a majority of Republicans supporting him yet.

I knew what SJW meant back in 2014..

This! I honestly can't believe how most folks forgot about the Rap, R&B, Rock/Alternative and, other non-electropop music that was very popular at that time. I have actually listened to some songs from that period, and they absolutely would not fit with today's music scene.
I think he said the thing same you're agreeing with. Clothes were truly less uptight in the 00s.


@UltraGameDog

I don't think people have forgotten. I think the people saying that 2008 and 2009 were extensions of today were young children at the time, so they don't know what it was actually like.

The 00's have been distant since 2013 for me. The shift from computers to smartphones, the lack of face-to-face interaction, the disappearance of Gangsta and Alternative rap in favour of Trap. Rock in general seems to have disappeared, leading to a samey sound across all genres on the radio.
In the 00's 720p was seen as the newest upper resolution standard, now in the past 5 years it's been 4k. What a large resolution jump.
Video game have taken a huge graphical bump in the past 3 years over the 7th gen consoles, with more emphasis on hair/fur textures, polygons and realistic lighting and physics.

@UltraGameDog

I don't think people have forgotten. I think the people saying that 2008 and 2009 were extensions of today were young children at the time, so they don't know what it was actually like.

Late 2008 WAS an extension of today and I was 13, not a young child... So you are incorrect in that assumption. Nice try though. The world hasn't changed that much since 2008. Late 2008 all the way up to today can be considered one big era. I remember clearly.

Late 2008 WAS an extension of today and I was 13, not a young child... So you are incorrect in that assumption. Nice try though. The world hasn't changed that much since 2008. Late 2008 all the way up to today can be considered one big era. I remember clearly.

I HEAVILY disagree with you.

@UltraGameDog

I don't think people have forgotten. I think the people saying that 2008 and 2009 were extensions of today were young children at the time, so they don't know what it was actually like.

No. I was 8-10 years old in 2008 & 2009 and I don't think that they are an extension of today.

An era usually lasts 8 - 10 years so probably by next year we will bw in another "big era". This will involve Trump, VR/AR, new fashion, very different music, and noticeably new trends and fads.

No. I was 8-10 years old in 2008 & 2009 and I don't think that they are an extension of today.


Same, smh when so many people who were older then think otherwise >:(

Same, smh when so many people who were older then think otherwise >:(

I mean seriously. I was watching a movie that came out in 2009 and you could tell that it was from the 2000s and it doesn't feel connected to today at all.

Obviously, it's not like 2009 was 25 years ago or something and 2009 is more similar to 2017 than 2001....BUT it's still not apart of "the same era" as some claim on here.

No. I was 8-10 years old in 2008 & 2009 and I don't think that they are an extension of today.


I never said everyone who was young then believes that. I was saying that those who DO were very young at that time. We agree that 2008 and 2009 were a different era.

I never said everyone who was young then believes that. I was saying that those who DO were very young at that time. We agree that 2008 and 2009 were a different era.


Well you never stated how young you were aiming at, especially considering the ages of most people on this forum. And NO, it's got nothing to do with our age people who were way older than us during the time think differently

I never said everyone who was young then believes that. I was saying that those who DO were very young at that time. We agree that 2008 and 2009 were a different era.

Who's "we"?  ??? I was 13. That's not very young. And late 2008 is very much connected to today. It is very similar and part of the same era.

I mean seriously. I was watching a movie that came out in 2009 and you could tell that it was from the 2000s and it doesn't feel connected to today at all.

Obviously, it's not like 2009 was 25 years ago or something and 2009 is more similar to 2017 than 2001....BUT it's still not apart of "the same era" as some claim on here.


Which movie?

Which movie?

A TV movie, Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins.

Early 2008: 80% 2000s, 20% 2010s
Late 2008: 65% 2000s, 35% 2010s
Early 2009: 50% 2000s, 50% 2010s
Late 2009: 30% 2000s, 70% 2010s

Is how I see it. Sorry for the obvious decadeology. It seems we talk about 2008/2009 all the time (and no one changes their mind) ;D

Early 2008: 80% 2000s, 20% 2010s
Late 2008: 65% 2000s, 35% 2010s
Early 2009: 50% 2000s, 50% 2010s
Late 2009: 70% 2000s, 30% 2010s

Is how I see it. Sorry for the obvious decadeology ;D

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Early 2008: 80% 2000s, 20% 2010s
Late 2008: 65% 2000s, 35% 2010s
Early 2009: 50% 2000s, 50% 2010s
Late 2009: 30% 2000s, 70% 2010s

Is how I see it. Sorry for the obvious decadeology. It seems we talk about 2008/2009 all the time (and no one changes their mind) ;D


Dude its a waste of time trying to bring out the maths. Some people's opinions are never gonna change, despite how much evidence you support your claims with...

Dude its a waste of time trying to bring out the maths. Some people's opinions are never gonna change, despite how much evidence you support your claims with...

There is no "evidence" when it comes to decadology... They are opinions. And everybody has different opinions and experiences. That guy saying only younger people who were little then think 2008 and 2009 is related today is the dumbest thing I've heard on this site. Anyone of any age can think what they want.

"2009 is more 00s!"
"2009 is not an early 2010's year!"
"2009 is 100% early 2010's"
"2009 should be considered an early 2010's year"
"2009 was the last year when 00s culture outweighed 10s"
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"2009 is more 00s!"
"2009 is not an early 2010's year!"
"2009 is 100% early 2010's"
"2009 should be considered an early 2010's year"
"2009 was the last year when 00s culture outweighed 10s"
https://media.giphy.com/media/Vta9wnNY2sCc0/giphy.gif


I'm dead ;D. It's getting worse than PerC

There is no "evidence" when it comes to decadology... They are opinions. And everybody has different opinions and experiences. That guy saying only younger people who were little then think 2008 and 2009 is related today is the dumbest thing I've heard on this site. Anyone of any age can think what they want.


I wasn't necessarily trying to make it be based on decadeology, but more based on evidence on certain cultural changes, being the last major year for many iconic 2000's trends (myspace, emo, pre HD YouTube, post grunge, pop punk, etc. etc.). This topic on whether or not 2008 is 2000's or 2010's has been beaten to death.

I don't understand why we need to keep perpetuating this myth that as soon as November 4th, 2008 came around that we were now in the 2010's...

A TV movie, Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins.


most 2009 movies were made in 2008

I wasn't necessarily trying to make it be based on decadeology, but more based on evidence on certain cultural changes, being the last major year for many iconic 2000's trends (myspace, emo, pre HD YouTube, post grunge, pop punk, etc. etc.). This topic on whether or not 2008 is 2000's or 2010's has been beaten to death.

I don't understand why we need to keep perpetuating this myth that as soon as November 4th, 2008 came around that we were now in the 2010's...

Because it's not a myth, it's the truth... The 2010s started in fall of 2008... Everyone has diffrrent opinions and experiences. You can't tell someone they are wrong when this is opinion based.

most 2009 movies were made in 2008

Stop it >:(.

A TV movie, Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins.


I'm terrible with a live action kid movies so do you have a recent live action kid movie for comparison?

The last year that truly feels distant and otherwordly is 2007. 2008 and 2009 are 2010s years and feel similar to today. Maybe not the same technologically, but fashion, attitudes, and to a certain extent music, very similar.

I'm terrible with a live action kid movies so do you have a recent live action kid movie for comparison?

Nope. I haven't watched any new live action kid movie is over 5 years.

The last year that truly feels distant and otherwordly is 2007. 2008 and 2009 are 2010s years and feel similar to today. Maybe not the same technologically, but fashion, attitudes, and to a certain extent music, very similar.

I disagree.

I don't think people have forgotten. I think the people saying that 2008 and 2009 were extensions of today were young children at the time, so they don't know what it was actually like.
Well, we were talking about the music scene of that time although that could be a reason; however, I think it's more on what BChris said. There are too many folks here being nostalgic about the electropop music when there was way much more than that.


The world hasn't changed that much since 2008. Late 2008 all the way up to today can be considered one big era. I remember clearly.
Yes, it has. I'm not trying to get into this again, but today is much different than it was in 2008 and even '09.


I don't understand why we need to keep perpetuating this myth that as soon as November 4th, 2008 came around that we were now in the 2010's...
This. I don't know why either. Too many people are focusing a lot more on the music, technology, and the economy while leaving out the rest.

Yes, it has. I'm not trying to get into this again, but today is much different than it was in 2008 and even '09.

Nah it really isn't. Other than Trump being president and some other minor things, today feels very similar to 2009. Feels almost like yesterday.

"2009 is more 00s!"
"2009 is not an early 2010's year!"
"2009 is 100% early 2010's"
"2009 should be considered an early 2010's year"
"2009 was the last year when 00s culture outweighed 10s"
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I'm dead ;D. It's getting worse than PerC
Not really. The reason this debate is still happening is that there has been evidence provided to show that 2008 and '09 were not as early 10s as claimed, and some people refuse to accept that fact. I know everyone here remembers that era and they can't be joking if they don't.


Nah it really isn't. Other than Trump being president and some other minor things, today feels very similar to 2009. Feels almost like yesterday.
It probably seems that way in Canada, but here not at all. Oh, and what other minor things do you mean?

Nah it really isn't. Other than Trump being president and some other minor things, today feels very similar to 2009. Feels almost like yesterday.

I just think that this is categorically false.

Nah it really isn't. Other than Trump being president and some other minor things, today feels very similar to 2009. Feels almost like yesterday.


I think if you said 2016, I could agree. But 2017 is definitely a departure from 2009 and Trump plays a role in that lol.

I just think that this is categorically false.
Me too. I honestly think he's overestimating despite that he remembers that era very well. There was more to politics than just Obama. There was more to music than just electropop, and there was more to technology than just cell phones.

Not really. The reason this debate is still happening is that there has been evidence provided to show that 2008 and '09 were not as early 10s as claimed, and some people refuse to accept that fact. I know everyone here remembers that era and they can't be joking if they don't.

The debate keeps happening because you and other people keep bringing it up... There is no "evidence" in decadology and culture no matter what you think. Respect others' opinions. You think the '00s culture didn't end by '09, I do. Not a big deal. The important thing is we all know the '00s really ended on December 31, 2009 at midnight.

I think if you said 2016, I could agree. But 2017 is definitely a departure from 2009 and Trump plays a role in that lol.

Maybe I'll feel it in 2018. The 8th year always seems to have huge change. That's why I predict culture will change a lot by 2018. The shift definitely started in 2016 when Trump became president but we are still transitioning quite a bit at the moment.


I just think that this is categorically false.

No it really isn't. 2008 and 2009 are definitely similar to today and it feels almost recent.

It probably seems that way in Canada, but here not at all. Oh, and what other minor things do you mean?

Not with Trudeau in office and music trends being different, it isn't.

Not with Trudeau in office and music trends being different, it isn't.

Not that much is different besides the prime minister... Music trends? One style of electronic instead of another? Big whoop. Not that much has changed and you know it. The same artists are popular, the general attitudes are the same, the fashion is nearly identical, and the broad culture is similar. I would NOT feel out of place at all if I got transported back to 2009, I absolutely would if I got transported back to 2004 though. The only differences is technology, but people still used the same things we use today they were just much less advanced.

Not that much is different besides the prime minister... Music trends? One style of electronic instead of another? Big whoop. Not that much has changed and you know it.

Didn't you just say to respect other's opinions? ???

My sister who is 29 years old think anything after 2005 isn't dated and is like to day. My father who is in his 60s think anything after 2000 is similar to today. My grandmother thinks the '90s are similar to today. The older you get, the less little changes affect you, especially within just 8 years. Most of the teens on this site think it's totally a different era and that's understandable, when I was 18 I thought 2005 was hugely different from 2013. But in the end of the day when I look back I do not see 2009 as very different. 2007? Absolutely. But around late 2008 all up until now I can see as one big era. Trump is definitely starting to separate the eras quite a bit but we're not there totally yet. I will wait a year or two and maybe then I will change my mind. But for now, not a chance.

The debate keeps happening because you and other people keep bringing it up... There is no "evidence" in decadeology and culture no matter what you think. Respect others' opinions. You think the '00s culture didn't end by '09, I do. Not a big deal. The important thing is we all know the '00s really ended on December 31, 2009, at midnight.
How is it not a big deal if you keep pushing your opinion as fact? Every time someone says it ended in 2009 or '10, you immediately say "No, it ended in 2008."

Now, the reason why people have said the late 00s were different is for a variety of reasons. Let's take an example of politics. In 2009, there was nothing about SJWs, the Alt-Right, or BLM. It was the recession, the stimulus bill, and healthcare. For the past few years, those groups have been everywhere on the news. That IS a difference between today and 2009.


Didn't you just say to respect other's opinions? ???
It sounds like he doesn't follow what he says. ::) ;D

Not that much is different besides the prime minister... Music trends?
One style of electronic instead of another?
I guess music hasn't changed much since the 80s by that logic.


Not that much has changed and you know it. The same artists are popular, the general attitudes are the same, the fashion is nearly identical, and the broad culture is similar. I would NOT feel out of place at all if I got transported back to 2009, I absolutely would if I got transported back to 2004 though. The only differences is technology, but people still used the same things we use today they were just much less advanced.

Since when did you see Drake hit number 1 on the charts in the late 00s? Where can I find hits from Luis Fonsi, Fifth Harmonie, Kendrick, Yachty, Future, Ed Sheeran, Charlie Puth and Lorde popular 10 years ago? When was SJW culture on everyone mouth the way it is today? When were HipHop artists, or even average working men wearing skinny jeans?

My sister who is 29 years old think anything after 2005 isn't dated and is like to day. My father who is in his 60s think anything after 2000 is similar to today. My grandmother thinks the '90s are similar to today. The older you get, the less little changes affect you, especially within just 8 years. Most of the teens on this site think it's totally a different era and that's understandable, when I was 18 I thought 2005 was hugely different from 2013.


You're making yourself sound like your 10+ years older than me, when really, you are only just over 4 years older than me and you only entered your 20's two years ago. The brain still develops until you reach your Mid 20's. In fact, some scientists believe that it doesn't stop developing until your Early 30s. 

How is it not a big deal if you keep pushing your opinion as fact? Every time someone says it ended in 2009 or '10, you immediately say "No, it ended in 2008."

I'm allowed to say whatever I want, including that the 2000s culture ended in 2008. That is my opinion and if you think "I'm pushing it as a fact" that's your problem. You also "push it as a fact" that is not, so I have the right to do so too. Also if you think it is a big deal, that is your problem. I will keep saying it the 2000s culture ended in 2008, because I do believe it end at that time. If you can't accept that and have a problem with that, that is YOUR problem, not mine. You don't see me attacking you for thinking it didn't, do you? Then leave me alone. I'm allowed to think the 2000s culture ended in late 2008 ALL I WANT just as anyone else is allowed to think other years and respectfully debate them on it as well in relevent threads like this one.

You're making yourself sound like your 10+ years older than me, when really, you are only just over 4 years older than me and you only entered your 20's two years ago. The brain still develops until you reach your Mid 20's. In fact, some scientists believe that it doesn't stop developing until your Early 30s.

Ok fair enough. But I am still not changing my mind about when 2000s culture ended, or the fact that I think things are still similar today as they were in 2009.

I guess music hasn't changed much since the 80s by that logic.

The '80s electronic music was nowhere near as advanced as it is today. The same sort of style of music and autotune from the late 2000s is still used today, just slightly different but not drastic enough like classic 2000s R&B still being popular in '07.


Most of those artists you mentioned are so insignificant except Ed Sheeran. Drake definitely was popular in the late 2000s. Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and Kanye West were too, and these 3 are getting all the media attention today. The Kardashains were as well.

How is it not a big deal if you keep pushing your opinion as fact? Every time someone says it ended in 2009 or '10, you immediately say "No, it ended in 2008."

Now, the reason why people have said the late 00s were different is for a variety of reasons. Let's take an example of politics. In 2009, there was nothing about SJWs, the Alt-Right, or BLM. It was the recession, the stimulus bill, and healthcare. For the past few years, those groups have been everywhere on the news. That IS a difference between today and 2009.

I will say it again. Late 2008 was the end of the cultural 2000s. Obama getting elected, the recession, electropop, fashion changing, new technology, new artists emerging were all significant things that made the 2000s go away by late 2008.

I'm allowed to say whatever I want, including that the 2000s culture ended in 2008. That is my opinion and if you think "I'm pushing it as a fact" that's your problem. You also "push it as a fact" that is not, so I have the right to do so too. Also if you think it is a big deal, that is your problem. I will keep saying it the 2000s culture ended in 2008 because I do believe it end at that time. If you can't accept that and have a problem with that, that is YOUR problem, not mine. You don't see me attacking you for thinking it didn't, do you? Then leave me alone. I'm allowed to think the 2000s culture ended in late 2008 ALL I WANT just as anyone else is allowed to think other years and respectfully debate them on it as well in relevant threads like this one.
I never said you couldn't. Now, I don't have a problem with your opinion. That doesn't bother me at all. The problem is the overestimation of that era. I think the reason you're saying that though because you're Canadian which is obviously a little different than here.


I will say it again. Late 2008 was the end of the cultural 2000s. Obama getting elected, the recession, electropop, fashion changing, new technology, new artists emerging were all significant things that made the 2000s go away by late 2008.

I just read some posts from SlowPoke and Shemp, and you were right that social media became popular earlier in your country although I think that would vary from each province. I now understand why you said you had an FB in 2008 and had Twitter in '09 because it gained popularity in Canada much faster than here. Same thing with technology. I'm not going to argue against those aspects anymore.

However, Shemp pointed that you guys as about 2 years behind in pop culture. He said that the 00s music, TV, and the politics were still the same by 2009 unless all of that quickly changed in your province.

Honestly can we just call it quits on the argument guys, it's clear that none of you are going to change your opinions, and you shouldn't have to, so there really is no aim or ending point to this argument so it needs to end :-\\

Honestly, can we just call it quits on the argument guys, it's clear that none of you are going to change your opinions, and you shouldn't have to, so there really is no aim or ending point to this argument so it needs to end :-\\
Well, I think it will end soon thanks to SlowPoke and Shemp on their viewpoints on Canadian pop culture. Turns out they're faster with tech, but slow when it comes to new cultural movements.

Turns out they're faster with tech, but slow when it comes to new cultural movements.


Then there's just Australia, which is slow at everything! :P

Well, I think it will end soon thanks to SlowPoke and Shemp on their viewpoints on Canadian pop culture. Turns out they're faster with tech, but slow when it comes to new cultural movements.


Lol. I find it funny that somehow Canada seems to be this magical fairyland planet floating off into space doing its on things, and having its culture change years after or before the rest of the world, even though it's literally right next to America where majority of the members on here are from and is yet so apparently different. I live halfway across the globe from America, and it's Bascially the same here in terms of changing culutre etc so I'm just having a little trouble buying this whole argument that Canada was completely different to the US or the rest of the world in '09 ???

Lol. I find it funny that somehow Canada seems to be this magical fairyland planet floating off into space doing its on things, and having its culture change years after or before the rest of the world, even though it's literally right next to America where majority of the members on here are from and is yet so apparently different. I live halfway across the globe from America, and it's Bascially the same here in terms of changing culutre etc so I'm just having a little trouble buying this whole argument that Canada was completely different to the US or the rest of the world in '09 ???

Out of all the countries in the world, Canada is the most similar by far to the US. Of course, there are differences but Canada and the U.S. are very similar.

Heck, we even sound 99% the same. The only time I can distinguish between the voice of the standard Canadian vs the standard American is when a Canadian says words like "house" or "about", etc.

Then there's just Australia, which is slow at everything! :P
Please tell me you're joking? Are you seriously saying that the internet there is still on broadband?


Lol. I find it funny that somehow Canada seems to be this magical fairyland planet floating off into space doing its on things, and having its culture change years after or before the rest of the world, even though it's literally right next to America where majority of the members on here are from and is yet so apparently different. I live halfway across the globe from America, and it's Basically the same here in terms of changing culture etc so I'm just having a little trouble buying this whole argument that Canada was completely different to the US or the rest of the world in '09 ???
Well, the only one saying 2008 started the early 10s and is similar to today is Slim. Slowpoke and Shemp have a similar perspective compared to Slim. Maybe on it depends on their provinces.

To say that 2009 in general is apart of the same era as 2017 is I think....absolutely untrue.

The world has changed much faster in the past 8 years than in most previous time periods.

To say that 2009 in general is apart of the same era as 2017 is I think....absolutely untrue.

The world has changed much faster in the past 8 years than in most previous time periods.
I agree. There's nothing else I can I think of from 2009 that's similar to today. Even when factoring in technology, there was more than just cell phones.

Please tell me you're joking? Are you seriously saying that the internet there is still on broadband?


I meant it as a joke, but it's actually quite true with a lot of things. :( Yep, we are still on broadband. Here are statistics from last December, showing internet usage in Australia:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4502/37630559571_440c086586_m.jpg

Dial-up was only switched off here in 2015, although only a few thousand people were still using it by that point.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/dialup-is-dead--heres-all-the-things-youre-going-to-miss-20150626-ghyggw.html

Out of all the countries in the world, Canada is the most similar by far to the US. Of course, there are differences but Canada and the U.S. are very similar.

Heck, we even sound 99% the same. The only time I can distinguish between the voice of the standard Canadian vs the standard American is when a Canadian says words like "house" or "about", etc.


Yes, that was exactly my point ;)

The last year that truly feels distant and otherwordly is 2007. 2008 and 2009 are 2010s years and feel similar to today. Maybe not the same technologically, but fashion, attitudes, and to a certain extent music, very similar.
your right slim and with that being said this decade has been going on for a very long time most decades don't start that early.

I meant it as a joke, but it's actually quite true with a lot of things. :( Yep, we are still on broadband. Here are statistics from last December, showing internet usage in Australia:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4502/37630559571_440c086586_m.jpg

Dial-up was only switched off here in 2015, although only a few thousand people were still using it by that point.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/dialup-is-dead--heres-all-the-things-youre-going-to-miss-20150626-ghyggw.html
Damn, you were being serious. I can't believe that dial-up was still used until 2015, Here, it was less popular by 2005. Do you know the stats on how many people have wifi down there?


your right slim and with that being said this decade has been going on for a very long time most decades don't start that early.
I have to disagree. I understand that the 10s culture seems to have been for a long time, but there's no way they started in 2008. Everything was different compared to now.

Well, I think it will end soon thanks to SlowPoke and Shemp on their viewpoints on Canadian pop culture. Turns out they're faster with tech, but slow when it comes to new cultural movements.

No it will not end... 2009 is still an early 2010s year as well as late 2008. You are not changing my mind on that. It's as clear as day that the 2000s were gone by late 2008.


your right slim and with that being said this decade has been going on for a very long time most decades don't start that early.

Thank you. Yeah I clearly remember being in a brand new decade in 2009.

To say that 2009 in general is apart of the same era as 2017 is I think....absolutely untrue.

The world has changed much faster in the past 8 years than in most previous time periods.

No it is part of the same era. Stuff has changed but not drastically so. It is not "untrue".

Lol. I find it funny that somehow Canada seems to be this magical fairyland planet floating off into space doing its on things, and having its culture change years after or before the rest of the world, even though it's literally right next to America where majority of the members on here are from and is yet so apparently different. I live halfway across the globe from America, and it's Bascially the same here in terms of changing culutre etc so I'm just having a little trouble buying this whole argument that Canada was completely different to the US or the rest of the world in '09 ???

Canada is very different from the U.S. in many ways. Every country or region will have different experiences in culture.


Well, the only one saying 2008 started the early 10s and is similar to today is Slim. Slowpoke and Shemp have a similar perspective compared to Slim. Maybe on it depends on their provinces.

No I'm not the only one saying this. The older members on here think this way too but they don't care enough to come into this thread to discuss it. They are smart in that.

No it is part of the same era. Stuff has changed but not drastically so. It is not "untrue".

Well if stuff has changed then it's not apart of the same era...so it's untrue.

Well if stuff has changed then it's not apart of the same era...so it's untrue.

No it absolutely is still part of the same era. Not enough has changed for it to not to be.

No it absolutely is still part of the same era. Not enough has changed for it to not to be.

What hasn't changed enough?

I can understand someone saying that 2011 or 2012 is apart of the same era as 2017 but NOT 2009.

What hasn't changed enough?

I can understand someone saying that 2011 or 2012 is apart of the same era as 2017 but NOT 2009.

Fashion, music, attitudes, some trends, aesthetic/design (flat coloured logo aesthetics still popular), and some technology.

No, it will not end... 2009 is still an early 2010s year as well as late 2008. You are not changing my mind on that. It's as clear as day that the 2000s were gone by late 2008.
Well, that again has to do with the changes in Canada rather than here.


No, I'm not the only one saying this. The older members on here think this way too but they don't care enough to come into this thread to discuss it. They are smart in that.
I don't think so. Most of them don't talk about the 00s like the other eras.

Fashion, music, attitudes, some trends, aesthetic/design (flat coloured logo aesthetics still popular), and some technology.

Most of those things you just said are mostly different today from 2009. What are you talking about? ???

Most of those things you just said are mostly different today from 2009. What are you talking about? ???

They are not very different from 2009. They are very different from 2007 though.

I am getting tired of this topic. Let's stop talking about it. I obviously won't change my mind so there is no point on beating this dead horse.

They are not very different from 2009. They are very different from 2007 though.

I don't see much difference between 2007 and 2009 besides who was the President of the U.S.


I am getting tired of this topic. Let's stop talking about it. I obviously won't change my mind so there is no point on beating this dead horse.

I agree because I just can't see your reasoning.

The '80s electronic music was nowhere near as advanced as it is today. The same sort of style of music and autotune from the late 2000s is still used today, just slightly different but not drastic enough like classic 2000s R&B still being popular in '07.
If you think the electronic sound in Good Girls Go Bad sounds like anything today, you might wanna get your ears checked. Autotune sounds the same no matter if it's 1998 or 2017.

Most of those artists you mentioned are so insignificant except Ed Sheeran. Drake definitely was popular in the late 2000s. Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and Kanye West were too, and these 3 are getting all the media attention today. The Kardashains were as well.
All of them are in the top 20 right now, most have been in the top 40 for about 3 years. Drake is far more relevant now than he ever was in the late 00s. Back then, he was just added padding to another Cash Money song.

What was Kanye West's big hit this year? I know he announced he was doing another album next year, but he's gone cold this year. His last album struggled to reach the widespread recognition of his past work.

Kim was hardly relevant 10 years ago. Ask anyone back then to think of the biggest media business woman, they would all say Paris Hilton. Good luck finding anyone whom would even recognize the name Kim or Khloe.

If you think the electronic sound in Good Girls Go Bad sounds like anything today, you might wanna get your ears checked. Autotune sounds the same no matter if it's 1998 or 2017.
All of them are in the top 20 right now, most have been in the top 40 for about 3 years. Drake is far more relevant now than he ever was in the late 00s. Back then, he was just added padding to another Cash Money song.

What was Kanye West's big hit this year? I know he announced he was doing another album next year, but he's gone cold this year. His last album struggled to reach the widespread recognition of his past work.

Kim was hardly relevant 10 years ago. Ask anyone back then to think of the biggest media business woman, they would all say Paris Hilton. Good luck finding anyone whom would even recognize the name Kim or Khloe.

Who was talking about 10 years ago?  ??? I was talking about 2009...

Lol. I find it funny that somehow Canada seems to be this magical fairyland planet floating off into space doing its on things, and having its culture change years after or before the rest of the world, even though it's literally right next to America where majority of the members on here are from and is yet so apparently different. I live halfway across the globe from America, and it's Bascially the same here in terms of changing culutre etc so I'm just having a little trouble buying this whole argument that Canada was completely different to the US or the rest of the world in '09 ???


On parle français là.

On parle français là.


Oui. Mais seul Quebec et New Brunswick, mec.

Oui. Mais seul Quebec et New Brunswick, mec.


Est et nord de l'Ontario aussi. :P

Mon premier copain était franco-ontarien. Il était de Cornwall, près de la frontière Ontario-Québec.  :D

Who was talking about 10 years ago?  ??? I was talking about 2009...

There wasn't that much of a difference between 07 and 09 in the grand scheme of things.

There wasn't that much of a difference between 07 and 09 in the grand scheme of things.
There was a huger difference lol

I don't see much difference between 2007 and 2009 besides who was the President of the U.S.


There was a big difference. I hate to pull the age card but I think you didn't notice because of your age.

There was a big difference. I hate to pull the age card but I think you didn't notice because of your age.

My age has nothing to do with it.

There wasn't a big difference between 2007 and 2009. Of course they weren't exactly the same...but "big" difference is crazy thinking.

There was a big difference. I hate to pull the age card but I think you didn't notice because of your age.


I sometimes wonder whether 1999 or 2008 was the most changeful year I've lived through. Either way, 2008 was definitely a seismic shift that you rarely ever see.

My age has nothing to do with it.

There wasn't a big difference between 2007 and 2009. Of course they weren't exactly the same...but "big" difference is crazy thinking.


Imo 2007 & 2009 are quite different, although that's a result of 2008 being right between those years and that year was very changeful

Imo 2007 & 2009 are quite different, although that's a result of 2008 being right between those years and that year was very changeful

How? The Great Recession started in December 2007 and the economy was down for most of 2007.

Besides who was Prez of the U.S. there wasn't too much of a difference between '07 and '09.

My age has nothing to do with it.

There wasn't a big difference between 2007 and 2009. Of course they weren't exactly the same...but "big" difference is crazy thinking.


It doesn't? Sure. Let's agree to disagree.

Look. I'm not saying they were different decades. My point is, 2009 felt different from 2007 in a way 2007 didn't feel as different from 2005.

How? The Great Recession started in December 2007 and the economy was down for most of 2007.

Besides who was Prez of the U.S. there wasn't too much of a difference between '07 and '09.


The financial crisis started in August 2007, but it didn't truly become the "Great Recession" until late 2008 when the Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy.

It doesn't? Sure. Let's agree to disagree.

Look. I'm not saying they were different decades. My point is, 2009 felt different from 2007 in a way 2007 didn't feel as different from 2005.

Not disagreeing with that

The financial crisis started in August 2007, but it didn't truly become the "Great Recession" until late 2008 when the Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy.

According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions), the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009, thus extending over 19 months.

My age has nothing to do with it.

There wasn't a big difference between 2007 and 2009. Of course they weren't exactly the same...but "big" difference is crazy thinking.

There was a huge difference between 2007 and 2009... Very noticeable and you were probably too young to notice it if you don't remember it being different to be honest.

I sometimes wonder whether 1999 or 2008 was the most changeful year I've lived through. Either way, 2008 was definitely a seismic shift that you rarely ever see.

I agree. 2007 and 2009 are very different from each other and 2008 was a big changeful year.

According to the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research (the official arbiter of U.S. recessions), the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009, thus extending over 19 months.


ok........so only 1/12 months of 2007 was in a recession, I would hardly say that's enough to make it like 2009 :P.
Anyways, they weren't worlds apart but they were defintly different. 2007 was basically 100% 2000s, I don't think anyone I knew had a smartphone yet. Compared to 2009, there was a lot of new stuff arriving that would be big in the 2010s, although not everywhere smartphones were gaining popularity, music was quite different from 2007, new president... The whole vibe of the year felt quite different.

There was a huge difference between 2007 and 2009... Very noticeable and you were probably too young to notice it if you don't remember it being different to be honest.


I'm pretty sure its not to do with age, I can easily remembering those two years feeling quite different.

There was a huge difference between 2007 and 2009... Very noticeable and you were probably too young to notice it if you don't remember it being different to be honest.

I was 7-8 in 2007 and 9-10 in 2009. It's not like I was 3 or 5 years old. Stop acting as if my age has anything to do with me disagreeing with you. Your comment reeks of ageism.

ok........so only 1/12 months of 2007 was in a recession, I would hardly say that's enough to make it like 2009 :P.
Anyways, they weren't worlds apart but they were defintly different. 2007 was basically 100% 2000s, I don't think anyone I knew had a smartphone yet. Compared to 2009, there was a lot of new stuff arriving that would be big in the 2010s, although not everywhere smartphones were gaining popularity, music was quite different from 2007, new president... The whole vibe of the year felt quite different.

I never said that they were the same or not different. I was disagreeing with the "big difference" part.

I don't understand how anyone can think 2007 and 2009 were not very different from each other.

How? The Great Recession started in December 2007 and the economy was down for most of 2007.

Besides who was Prez of the U.S. there wasn't too much of a difference between '07 and '09.


2007's economy for the most part was on 2006 levels, no one really felt it (despite what was happening behind the scenes)

2007 in general was a very watered down version of 2006

Late 2008 is when we started experiencing the effects of the economy bursting

2007's economy for the most part was on 2006 levels, no one really felt it (despite what was happening behind the scenes)

2007 in general was a very watered down version of 2006

Late 2008 is when we started experiencing the effects of the economy bursting

OK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

OK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.


and if you ask anyone here they will tell you the same

and if you ask anyone here they will tell you the same

Doesn't matter to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I don't get why so many of you overanalyze the late '00s so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

After seeing more support, I'm going to amend my thoughts.

Basically, 2008 felt like the end of something and 2009 felt like the beginning of something and I'm not just talking about Bush and Obama.

2007's economy for the most part was on 2006 levels, no one really felt it (despite what was happening behind the scenes)

2007 in general was a very watered down version of 2006

Late 2008 is when we started experiencing the effects of the economy bursting


Thanks for explaining. I wasn't feeling up to it today haha.

There wasn't that much of a difference between 07 and 09 in the grand scheme of things.
This. Yeah, 2007 and '09 may have had differences, but they weren't anything major. They were practically the same.


I don't get why so many of you overanalyze the late '00s so much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Me too. I've never seen such a period be exaggerated like this. 2008 was definitely changeful an all, but the real changes came after that year and' 09.

This. Yeah, 2007 and '09 may have had differences, but they weren't anything major. They were practically the same.

Me too. I've never seen such a period be exaggerated like this. 2008 was definitely changeful an all, but the real changes came after that year and' 09.

I agree.

After seeing more support, I'm going to amend my thoughts.

Basically, 2008 felt like the end of something and 2009 felt like the beginning of something and I'm not just talking about Bush and Obama.

2008 was practically identical to 2007. 2009 was the changeful year. By the second half of that year, we had celebrities, social media sites, politics and technology come into vogue that was irrelevant just 10 months earlier.

2008 was practically identical to 2007. 2009 was the changeful year. By the second half of that year, we had celebrities, social media sites, politics and technology come into vogue that was irrelevant just 10 months earlier.

No you got it wrong. 2008 was a transitional year. Neither 2007 nor 2009 were "identical" to it. How can a year with another president being elected and an economy crashing be "identical" to the year prior anyway?

No you got it wrong. 2008 was a transitional year. Neither 2007 nor 2009 were "identical" to it. How can a year with another president being elected and an economy crashing be "identical" to the year prior anyway?


He wasn't elected until November and wasn't inaugurated until January 20th, 2009. 2009 was the real transitional year.

He wasn't elected until November and wasn't inaugurated until January 20th, 2009. 2009 was the real transitional year.


I think it's the primaries themselves that make the year transitional, not so much the first year of the new leader. The primaries are a big foreshadow of what you'll get in the future.

I think there might have been enough that was different in Canada in 2008 to make it seem like that was the first full year of '10s culture to Slim95.  Kid culture might also have something to do with it as he would have been right at that age where you age out of kid culture at that time.  There were possibly some '00s trends that already died out there that were still going in the US, I don't know.  I also live in the South which is behind most of the US as it is.  For me, 2009 was the real transformative year.  2008 was an excellent end cap to a great decade.

I think there might have been enough that was different in Canada in 2008 to make it seem like that was the first full year of '10s culture to Slim95.  Kid culture might also have something to do with it as he would have been right at that age where you age out of kid culture at that time.  There were possibly some '00s trends that already died out there that were still going in the US, I don't know.  I also live in the South which is behind most of the US as it is.  For me, 2009 was the real transformative year.  2008 was an excellent end cap to a great decade.

Never once have I said 2008 was the first full year of the 2010s... I specifically always said LATE 2008 was the start of the 2010s. Early 2008 was still 2000s. 2008 was a transitional year. This is what I've said all along. I never said it was fully a 2010s year, only that it was the start later in the year.

2008 was transitional but it still kind of felt a bit different from the actual early 10s especially 2011-2013

Never once have I said 2008 was the first full year of the 2010s... I specifically always said LATE 2008 was the start of the 2010s. Early 2008 was still 2000s. 2008 was a transitional year. This is what I've said all along. I never said it was fully a 2010s year, only that it was the start later in the year.
Yes, you have. You have stated in some posts that 2008 was the start of the early 10s. It wasn't until just very recently where you specified that towards the end of the year was beginning of the early 10s.

Yes, you have. You have stated in some posts that 2008 was the start of the early 10s. It wasn't until just very recently where you specified that towards the end of the year was beginning of the early 10s.

Nope you are wrong. I have always seen late 2008 as the start of the early 2010s. And I wasn't even talking to you, why the heck are you replying to a conversation me and bchris were having?

Nope you are wrong. I have always seen late 2008 as the start of the early 2010s. And I wasn't even talking to you, why the heck are you replying to a conversation me and bchris were having?
Not for this one, but you have said the same thing to me and a few others that 2008 (not just the late portion) was the start of the early 10s on other topics.

I felt this distance even in 2008 lol

Not for this one, but you have said the same thing to me and a few others that 2008 (not just the late portion) was the start of the early 10s on other topics.

Because it was... Late 2008 was the start of the early 2010s, not early 2008, but late 2008.

Because it was... Late 2008 was the start of the early 2010s, not early 2008, but late 2008.
That's all you had to say. I would have understood better if you had at least said late 2008 rather than the entire year staring the early 10s.

That's all you had to say. I would have understood better if you had at least said late 2008 rather than the entire year staring the early 10s.

I prefer just saying 2008. It makes no difference when in the year was the shift, the point is there was a shift in the year.

I felt this distance even in 2008 lol

Wait so you felt distant from 2008 even when it was still 2008?  ;D

Wait so you felt distant from 2008 even when it was still 2008?  ;D



Felt distant from the core 2000s even in 2008

Felt distant from the core 2000s even in 2008

Same here. I think the core 2000s (real 2000s) ended in 2006. Then it was the modern 2000s, which got replaced with the 2010s in late 2008.

Same here. I think the core 2000s (real 2000s) ended in 2006. Then it was the modern 2000s, which got replaced with the 2010s in late 2008.


for me they felt they ended in 2007,

2006 was suppose to be the original end, but they took a few months

Same here. I think the core 2000s (real 2000s) ended in 2006. Then it was the modern 2000s, which got replaced with the 2010s in late 2008.


Wow, where have I heard that before. Next someone else will chime in and say that the real 2000's ended in "Late 2006". Then the cycle will repeat and we will hear the exact same thing for another million times, in every single thread on this site.  ::)

Same here. I think the core 2000s (real 2000s) ended in 2006. Then it was the modern 2000s, which got replaced with the 2010s in late 2008.


Lmao arent you tired of talking about this already?

Lmao arent you tired of talking about this already?



Wow, where have I heard that before. Next someone else will chime in and say that the real 2000's ended in "Late 2006". Then the cycle will repeat and we will hear the exact same thing for another million times, in every single thread on this site.  ::)


Because it's the truth. That's why I say it... The 2000s ended in late 2008, the core 2000s ended around 2006, maybe even earlier than that.

Because it's the truth. That's why I say it... The 2000s ended in late 2008, the core 2000s ended around 2006, maybe even earlier than that.


Yeah, like we haven't heard it millions of times before. I'm not singling out you, other people are guilty of doing it as well. It's a never ending cycle.

Because it's the truth. That's why I say it... The 2000s ended in late 2008, the core 2000s ended around 2006, maybe even earlier than that.


So your reply to my post about your repetitive posting is just to repeat yourself again!? :o

So your reply to my post about your repetitive posting is just to repeat yourself again!? :o

What reply to your post? It's my opinion.

Because it's the truth. That's why I say it... The 2000s ended in late 2008, the core 2000s ended around 2006, maybe even earlier than that.


???? This one.^^

???? This one.^^

What about it?

No you got it wrong. 2008 was a transitional year. Neither 2007 nor 2009 were "identical" to it. How can a year with another president being elected and an economy crashing be "identical" to the year prior anyway?

Nope. Late 2009 differed far more from late 2008 than late '08 did to early 2007. There were just too many changes in 2009 that paved the way for the times we are in now. Minecraft came out at the end of '09 for petesake!

Nope. Late 2009 differed far more from late 2008 than late '08 did to early 2007. There were just too many changes in 2009 that paved the way for the times we are in now. Minecraft came out at the end of '09 for CS!


I agree with this.

I think your age and where you live do play a part though in how you perceive the culture.  Slim95 would have likely been 13 in late 2008 and there are certain aspects of '00s culture in the US that weren't as big in Canada.  There are a lot of changes that happen in a person's life around that age as you shift from childhood into adolescence.  So for him, summer 2008 was probably the end of an era and everything since feels the same to him.

For comparison, I turned 13 in mid 1998 and I started to age out of kid culture around that time.  I have to admit, in my own life late 1998 and 1999 had a very different feel than most of the '90s.  However, I am willing to admit I perceive it that way because of my own circumstances.

What about it?

Ffs seriously?

The 2000’s have always felt distant to me, but that was mainly because I was in my childhood back then, but culturally they all do seem distant and dated. We only have one more year left until all years in the 2000’s are a decade or older. I can’t believe my core childhood started 11 years ago. :o Later this year there will be kids born in 2007 starting MIDDLE school. They were born at the same time of the release of the iPhone. It just feels weird knowing that kids who weren’t even born yet in a pre-iPhone world are starting MS, I remember a time before it’s release very vividly.

The 2000’s have always felt distant to me, but that was mainly because I was in my childhood back then, but culturally they all do seem distant and dated. We only have one more year left until all years in the 2000’s are a decade or older. I can’t believe my core childhood started 11 years ago. :o Later this year there will be kids born in 2007 starting MIDDLE school. They were born at the same time of the release of the iPhone. It just feels weird knowing that kids who weren’t even born yet in a pre-iPhone world are starting MS, I remember a time before it’s release very vividly.

I can’t believe we met each other almost six years ago! 28th September 2012. I miss being on ooVoo with you and playing Pandanda with Justin Bieber music playing in the background. ;D I miss 2012.

I'm turning 16 tomorrow  :D, so by the time 2009 ended I was a few days away from turning 8, the aughts ended half my life ago.  :o

Happy early birthday!

I agree with this.

I think your age and where you live do play a part though in how you perceive the culture.  Slim95 would have likely been 13 in late 2008 and there are certain aspects of '00s culture in the US that weren't as big in Canada.  There are a lot of changes that happen in a person's life around that age as you shift from childhood into adolescence.  So for him, summer 2008 was probably the end of an era and everything since feels the same to him.

For comparison, I turned 13 in mid 1998 and I started to age out of kid culture around that time.  I have to admit, in my own life late 1998 and 1999 had a very different feel than most of the '90s.  However, I am willing to admit I perceive it that way because of my own circumstances.

Definitely. I turned 13 in 2010 and I perceived a cultural transition around 2009-2011. It's probably worth noting that PM Harper had prorogued parliament in 2008 and called on an early election that year, so we ended up having one the same year Obama was elected in. I suspect the 2008 Canadian election along with the American one might be the reason some Canadians see 2008 as a changeful year.  But even still, going back and lister to music released in '08 and then listening to popular  music from 2009 shows a remarkable shift in direction that didn't exist prior to 2009 and didn't really continue past 2010. Kid Cudi and Lady Gaga's songs don't sound like they were made in either decade.

Definitely. I turned 13 in 2010 and I perceived a cultural transition around 2009-2011. It's probably worth noting that PM Harper had prorogued parliament in 2008 and called on an early election that year, so we ended up having one the same year Obama was elected in. I suspect the 2008 Canadian election along with the American one might be the reason some Canadians see 2008 as a changeful year.  But even still, going back and lister to music released in '08 and then listening to popular  music from 2009 shows a remarkable shift in direction that didn't exist prior to 2009 and didn't really continue past 2010. Kid Cudi and Lady Gaga's songs don't sound like they were made in either decade.


You make an excellent point here.  I think there was a distinct sound that music had starting at the extreme tail end of 2008 and lasted through early 2011.  I would say this sound roughly encompassed Lady Gaga's first two albums, The Fame and The Fame Monster.  Born This Way, released in 2011, had a subtly different sound to it.

I really miss that era.  I worry that it was the best time of my life and that I'll never experience anything again that comes close.  I worry that I peaked in 2009-10.

I really miss that era.  I worry that it was the best time of my life and that I'll never experience anything again that comes close.  I worry that I peaked in 2009-10.


Life will get better. You are only in your Early '30s. You still have many years ahead of you! :)

Definitely. I turned 13 in 2010 and I perceived a cultural transition around 2009-2011. It's probably worth noting that PM Harper had prorogued parliament in 2008 and called on an early election that year, so we ended up having one the same year Obama was elected in. I suspect the 2008 Canadian election along with the American one might be the reason some Canadians see 2008 as a changeful year.  But even still, going back and lister to music released in '08 and then listening to popular  music from 2009 shows a remarkable shift in direction that didn't exist prior to 2009 and didn't really continue past 2010. Kid Cudi and Lady Gaga's songs don't sound like they were made in either decade.

I'm actually listening to a hip-hop song released in 2008, and it sounds completely different from today. I honestly even think it would sound out of place if it were released in 2009.

I can’t believe we met each other almost six years ago! 28th September 2012. I miss being on ooVoo with you and playing Pandanda with Justin Bieber music playing in the background. ;D I miss 2012.

How do you remember the exact date we met? I knew it was somewhere around late 2012, but I didn't know the day or month, but it definitely had to be before October 28th, 2012. :P We basically met exactly a month before Pandanda closed damn.