I was 15 in 2000 so I experienced both the '00s and '10s as a conscious teenager or adult.  I really think that 2017 is farther from 2010 in culture and feel than 2007 was from 2000.  The world of 2007, though more evolved, felt like that same world as 2000.  It was my world as was the world of 2010.  Today feels quite alien compared to 2010.  2010 seemed like a much more simple, innocent time in both the United States and in my own personal life.  I was in my mid twenties back then and I would give almost anything to go back.  Music today has very little in common with the music of 2010.  Music in 2007 was a more evolved version of genres and styles that had their roots in the early '00s.  Music in 2007 wasn't completely foreign to the music of 2000.  Music in 2017 is almost nothing like 2010 musically.  I am thinking more and more that the early '10s were more of an extension of the late '00s than a precursor to the core '10s.

Would anybody else agree?

2011 was the last year that you can probably say that feels alien today.

The 2012-2016 period was one of the most transformative years in recent history in my opinion.

2011 was the last year that you can probably say that feels alien today.

The 2012-2016 period was one of the most transformative years in recent history in my opinion.

I'd say 2013. 2014 was when I think this bitter, unpleasant, divisive era began to take hold.

I'd say 2013. 2014 was when I think this bitter, unpleasant, divisive era began to take hold.


However, don't forget that 2012 was the year that Trayvon Martin's death took place along with the fact that mass shootings (there were some big ones before 2012 of course, like the McDonald's San Ysidro shooting of 1984 and the infamous Columbine shooting of 1999, but both of them happened when they weren't really so common and ingrained in society like they are today) started to escalate even more (Aurora Theater, Sandy Hook, etc). Both of them in my opinion contributed to the Era of Division.

Yeah I would say 2011 is the most recent year that feels totally like another world.  It was also the last year I was happy in my personal life.  2011 is a touchy year for me for nostalgia.  I really don't like reminiscing about it because that year was so amazing in comparison to the past five or so years that it makes me even more depressed.  2011 was by and large still the world of the late 2000s.  I think 2012-14 was a very transformative time and not transformative for the better.

While that's true, I think at least half of that is because the present zeitgeist is dominated by Trump. Even 2016 seems quaint compared to today.

I don't agree with this at all, there is barely any perceptible difference between 2010 and 2017 in terms of pop culture.
Fashion is basically the exact same, no new musical styles, even technological change is not very noticeable.

2000 and 2007 were pretty similar too, there just isn't the kind of changes in pop culture that we saw during the 20th century.

For instance 1980 and 1987 seem very different, musically, fashion, ect. In 1980 a lot of music still had late '70s styles like disco, guitar oriented new wave, and "yacht rock" ;D, by 1987 the sound of pop/rock/R&B was dominated by digital synths, reverb and gated drums, it was much more advanced, you can actually hear it in the sound itself. The whole past 17 years have felt like one huuuuuge "everything's been done before" stagnant era in pop culture.

I don't agree with this at all, there is barely any perceptible difference between 2010 and 2017 in terms of pop culture.
Fashion is basically the exact same, no new musical styles, even technological change is not very noticeable.


I don't agree with this.  In 2010, emo/scene and the preppy A&F look were still relevant.  Hipster fashion was emerging but it wasn't mainstream yet.  2010 was the year that preferred hair on guys went from long to short.  2010 was the year that most people start getting smartphones.  I would say we were still at least half if not more dumb phones that year.  Music was electropop and glam rap, both genres are no longer really relevant.

2010 and 2017 are quite different.  I would say the 80s are a good comparison.  1980 and 1987 had very different feels.  In 1980 there were hints of what was to come, much like in 2010, but the year still more closely tied in with the previous decade.

The whole past 17 years have felt like one huuuuuge "everything's been done before" stagnant era in pop culture.


Not only that, but I think the overall quality of popular culture has gradually declined since the start of the new millennium. 1955-2000 truly was a golden age for society and I don't think we will ever reach the same heights again. There's a quote in The Matrix about the then current time (1999) being the peak of civilization. I'm actually starting to think that this is really the case, to be honest.

I don't agree with this.  In 2010, emo/scene and the preppy A&F look were still relevant.  Hipster fashion was emerging but it wasn't mainstream yet.  2010 was the year that preferred hair on guys went from long to short.  2010 was the year that most people start getting smartphones.  I would say we were still at least half if not more dumb phones that year.  Music was electropop and glam rap, both genres are no longer really relevant.

2010 and 2017 are quite different.  I would say the 80s are a good comparison.  1980 and 1987 had very different feels.  In 1980 there were hints of what was to come, much like in 2010, but the year still more closely tied in with the previous decade.



Yeah screw the 2010s for killing off emo and scene.

True, but 2016 was closer to 2010 than 2006 was to 2000.

I think there is truth to this. I can remember even though I was young in 2007 feeling that the early 2000's were like yesterday pretty much. Whereas now the early 2010's are getting increasingly distant and feeling more and more like a happier upbeat innocent time particularly 2010 and 2011.

The 2010s is a very changeful decade.

True, but 2016 was closer to 2010 than 2006 was to 2000.


Err...I'm not so sure about that.

The early '10s are starting to look more and more like the early '90s were to the '90s.  A distinct era that doesn't fit perfectly in either decade but has more in common with the previous decade than its own decade.  For instance, the early '90s wasn't the '80s, but it did have more '80s attributes than core '90s attributes.  I am starting to look at the early '10s in the same way.  They were an extension of the late '00s.  That world vanished at some point between mid 2012 and early 2014.

Things that were popular in the early '10s, even aside from electropop, were things that were established during the late '00s.  Things like "The Office", 7th gen consoles, Windows 7, Web 2.0, etc.

I really miss that era.  I consider that to be the peak of my life.

2017 feels very different to 2010. Everything was so left leaning from 2009 to 2014. The economy had just gotten out of a recession a year before, and Donald Trump was just some reality superstar that had been famous for being rich before.

2017 feels very different to 2010. Everything was so left leaning from 2009 to 2014. The economy had just gotten out of a recession a year before, and Donald Trump was just some reality superstar that had been famous for being rich before.


"Coincidentally", that is also my favourite era. Although 2017 is fun too. :D

"Coincidentally", that is also my favourite era. Although 2017 is fun too. :D


Actually, there were very fun times, even if overall 2007 to 2017 was kind of dark, overall.  8)

The 2010s is a very changeful decade.


Sociopolitical wise definitely, pop culturally(in terms of new music genres, fashion, design, ect) no.

Sociopolitical wise definitely, pop culturally(in terms of new music genres, fashion, design, ect) no.


I like technology and being able to find my own music a lot but I think it's also what's making people complacent about the pop culture.
I wonder what people will think 30 years from now when they find out that the reason we were OK with the pop culture is because
we could always listen to something else.

I like technology and being able to find my own music a lot but I think it's also what's making people complacent about the pop culture.
I wonder what people will think 30 years from now when they find out that the reason we were OK with the pop culture is because
we could always listen to something else.



http://nypost.com/2017/07/30/mtv-reboots-total-request-live-in-effort-to-return-to-roots/

lol

I'm sorry bchris but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. When it comes to politics and the economy then 2017 feels more distant from 2010 than 2007 did from 2000, but as for the rest of the pop culture like music, TV, fashion, trends, etc. 2007 feels WAY more distant from 2000 than 2017 does from 2010. In fact, there's a lot of pop culture that was around in 2010 that's still relevant in 2017, but it's only later updates, that's it. Late 5th gen and early 6th gen is a lot further away from 7th gen gaming than 7th gen gaming is from 8th gen gaming. TV in 2010 has changed compared to 2017 but TV from 2007 changed A LOT compared to 2000. We already had a thread a month ago on how 2017 music is just as close to 2010 music as 2010 music is to 2007! Which is bizarre. I did a whole comparison on this thread.

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=55384.msg3573281#msg3573281

http://www.inthe00s.com/index.php?topic=55384.msg3575733#msg3575733

You can even make a comparison with models of cars.

Look at the 2000 Honda Civic.
http://o.aolcdn.com/commerce/autodata/images/CAB00HOC022A0101.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NvScW5EKhyU/UEH9VuTecPI/AAAAAAAACDM/OzECHzen7F0/s1600/1996-1998+Honda+Civic+Coupe+Rear.jpg

Now here's the 2007 Honda Civic
https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/honda/civic/2007/oem/2007_honda_civic_sedan_hybrid_fq_oem_1_500.jpg https://www.carid.com/ic/pure/items/on-car/abs-717-honda-civic-oncar-01_6.jpg

2017 Honda Civic
http://o.aolcdn.com/commerce/autodata/images/CAC70HOC021B121001.jpg

I'm only using one example, but this even applies to vehicle models too! There's a bigger difference between 2000 and 2007 vehicle models while the 2010 and 2017 vehicle models don't look far from each other. The 2000 vehicle models look more like the 90's ones than 2007.

I don't agree with this at all, there is barely any perceptible difference between 2010 and 2017 in terms of pop culture.
Fashion is basically the exact same, no new musical styles, even technological change is not very noticeable.

2000 and 2007 were pretty similar too, there just isn't the kind of changes in pop culture that we saw during the 20th century.

For instance 1980 and 1987 seem very different, musically, fashion, ect. In 1980 a lot of music still had late '70s styles like disco, guitar oriented new wave, and "yacht rock" ;D, by 1987 the sound of pop/rock/R&B was dominated by digital synths, reverb and gated drums, it was much more advanced, you can actually hear it in the sound itself. The whole past 17 years have felt like one huuuuuge "everything's been done before" stagnant era in pop culture.

I agree


Sociopolitical wise definitely, pop culturally(in terms of new music genres, fashion, design, ect) no.

Spot on

No 2010 and 2017 are basically the same tbh. I would not feel out of place at all if I went back to 2010, pretty much the same era as now because the 2010s were just that consistent. 2007 and 2000 are almost like two different worlds though because the 2000s saw so many big changes. Going from 2007 to 2000 would seem very different.

Yeah I would say 2011 is the most recent year that feels totally like another world.  It was also the last year I was happy in my personal life.  2011 is a touchy year for me for nostalgia.  I really don't like reminiscing about it because that year was so amazing in comparison to the past five or so years that it makes me even more depressed.  2011 was by and large still the world of the late 2000s.  I think 2012-14 was a very transformative time and not transformative for the better.

Not to me it doesn't. Although personal-life wise it seems kind of distant as I was in high school then and now I am in university.


much like in 2010, but the year still more closely tied in with the previous decade.

2010 was distinctly part of the 2010s decade along with late 2008 and 2009. Much more closely tied to the 2010s as 2000s culture were pretty much completely gone by 2010.


Err...I'm not so sure about that.

The early '10s are starting to look more and more like the early '90s were to the '90s.  A distinct era that doesn't fit perfectly in either decade but has more in common with the previous decade than its own decade.  For instance, the early '90s wasn't the '80s, but it did have more '80s attributes than core '90s attributes.  I am starting to look at the early '10s in the same way.  They were an extension of the late '00s.  That world vanished at some point between mid 2012 and early 2014.

Things that were popular in the early '10s, even aside from electropop, were things that were established during the late '00s.  Things like "The Office", 7th gen consoles, Windows 7, Web 2.0, etc.

I really miss that era.  I consider that to be the peak of my life.

The early '10s were the 2010s. If you go online to Google Images and search "2010s", you will find pictures of Lady Gaga and early '10s stuff. The early 2010s defines this decade the most, and most people actually think of the early 2010s when referencing this decade.

Anyway I can't believe people think the early 2010s are old now  :o To me it totally feels like yesterday. I can clearly remember things I've done in 2010 and 2011 and it just does not feel that long ago. Slightly dated? Okay. But another world? Not even close.

Not to me it doesn't. Although personal-life wise it seems kind of distant as I was in high school then and now I am in university.
2010 was distinctly part of the 2010s decade along with late 2008 and 2009. Much more closely tied to the 2010s as 2000s culture were pretty much completely gone by 2010.
The early '10s were the 2010s. If you go online to Google Images and search "2010s", you will find pictures of Lady Gaga and early '10s stuff. The early 2010s defines this decade the most, and most people actually think of the early 2010s when referencing this decade.

Anyway I can't believe people think the early 2010s are old now  :o To me it totally feels like yesterday. I can clearly remember things I've done in 2010 and 2011 and it just does not feel that long ago. Slightly dated? Okay. But another world? Not even close.


Different people and areas perceive things slightly differently I believe.  Where you live, what stage of life you are in, and what your personal life looks like can greatly influence how we see pop culture.  You repeatedly say there isn't much difference between 2008 and 2017 while to me, they are like completely different worlds.  If you said 2013 I would agree with you but 2008 is like a world away and has little in common with 2017.  To me, 2008 feels more like the early and mid '00s i.e. my adolescence/college years or at least an extension of it than today.

The early '10s were the 2010s. If you go online to Google Images and search "2010s", you will find pictures of Lady Gaga and early '10s stuff. The early 2010s defines this decade the most, and most people actually think of the early 2010s when referencing this decade.


I really think it's too early to make this call.  In my opinion the early '10s had more in common with the '00s than 2013-Present.  If anything, they parallel the early '90s.  The early '90s weren't truly '90s or '80s, but were closer to the '80s culturally than say 1996 or 1997.

I just don't see how today is all that similar to 2008.  I wish it was as I liked the zeitgeist of the late '00s.  That world has been gone since 2012-13ish though.

I really think it's too early to make this call.  In my opinion the early '10s had more in common with the '00s than 2013-Present.  If anything, they parallel the early '90s.  The early '90s weren't truly '90s or '80s, but were closer to the '80s culturally than say 1996 or 1997.

I just don't see how today is all that similar to 2008.  I wish it was as I liked the zeitgeist of the late '00s.  That world has been gone since 2012-13ish though.

I meant late 2008 around the time Obama got elected. We are in a different era now even from 2013, but not a different world from late 2008, at least that's the way I see it. But 2007 to me truly does feel kind of like a different world. But I agree it really does depend on location, personal life, experiences, etc.

The gap between 2000 and 2007 seems larger to me, but I think that's mostly due to age. At the beginning of 2000, I was still just a 12 year old kid middle way through 7th grade, while I had already started college by 2007. That's a huge gap. The technology gap also seemed huge to me as well. 2000 was a year where I still used a VCR, didn't have a cell phone, used dial-up, and played the N64 and PS1 as my two primary consoles, whereas by 2007 the iPhone was already debuting, YouTube was exploding, and I had a PS3.

You do make some valid points. 2010 absolutely does feel old now. I mean we're not talking a really long time ago like 30 years ago or something but it's a while definitely and it's pretty different. I think 2011 or 2012 is about the point where I'd say it feels like a while ago definitely. Does it feel as old as 2000 did in 2007, honestly I don't know. Those comparisons I always though were kind of ridiculous anyway. 7 years is 7 years is my opinion, I mean yeah it can feel different in different situations but it's debatable depending on your point of view. Regardless 2010 is still quite a while ago and at least somewhat different from right now. We all know the political differences, but the technological differences are pretty big too. In 2010 actually a lot of people did not have a smartphone yet, and if you did have one it was still pretty cutting edge at that time. I'd say HDTV was still a bit cutting edge back then too, now it's just something absolutely everybody has like the smartphones.

You do make some valid points. 2010 absolutely does feel old now. I mean we're not talking a really long time ago like 30 years ago or something but it's a while definitely and it's pretty different. I think 2011 or 2012 is about the point where I'd say it feels like a while ago definitely. Does it feel as old as 2000 did in 2007, honestly I don't know. Those comparisons I always though were kind of ridiculous anyway. 7 years is 7 years is my opinion, I mean yeah it can feel different in different situations but it's debatable depending on your point of view. Regardless 2010 is still quite a while ago and at least somewhat different from right now. We all know the political differences, but the technological differences are pretty big too. In 2010 actually a lot of people did not have a smartphone yet, and if you did have one it was still pretty cutting edge at that time. I'd say HDTV was still a bit cutting edge back then too, now it's just something absolutely everybody has like the smartphones.

2010 feels like yesterday to me and it really feels recent and not very dated. The last year that feels old to me is 2007. It could just be my age though. I'm 22 and in 2010 I was 15 and already in high school. But when I was 12 years old in 2007 I was in elementary and it was a very different part of my life.

2010 feels like yesterday to me and it really feels recent and not very dated. The last year that feels old to me is 2007. It could just be my age though. I'm 22 and in 2010 I was 15 and already in high school. But when I was 12 years old in 2007 I was in elementary and it was a very different part of my life.


I was 22/23 in 2010 and being 30 now that (23) does feel pretty young compared to 30. Yeah it's weird idk. I do know that 15 seems like forever ago to me now at 30. ;D