It's been downhill for Mother Monster since 2011's Born This Way.  The new queen of pop, being compared to legendary acts like Madonna, Michael Jackson, and the Beatles, went from top of the world to more of a Celine Dion type star within just a few years (No offense to Celine Dion, but she has her devoted fans but most people really don't care much for her.)

Artpop was a major disappointment and Joanne so far has been even worse than Artpop.  At least Artpop gave us "Applause", which was a catchy dance tune somewhat reminiscent of her earlier stuff.

Most recently, she has released the new song "The Cure" which is a great song and quite similar to stuff from the Born This Way era, but its flopped on the charts.  It's really gotten to a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation for Lady Gaga.  It appears that pop culture has moved on.

What do you think Lady Gaga needs to do to stage a comeback or do you think its over for her? 

Based on current trends, Gaga needs to drink from the fountain of youth and sport an appearance more like Selena Gomez in order to remain a chart darling.

I would also like to point out that The Fame was released closer to 1999 than to today, which means Gaga has been famous for nearly as long now as Britney Spears was when she put out Circus. In all frankness, Gaga is one of the musicians still commercially relevant to hit it big the earliest.

I don't know, but she falls into the "electropop" category and electropop is as dead today as hair metal was in 1998.

Based on current trends, Gaga needs to drink from the fountain of youth and sport an appearance more like Selena Gomez in order to remain a chart darling.

I would also like to point out that The Fame was released closer to 1999 than to today, which means Gaga has been famous for nearly as long now as Britney Spears was when she put out Circus. In all frankness, Gaga is one of the musicians still commercially relevant to hit it big the earliest.


You are definitely correct here.  I've mentioned Britney's Circus before in this context.  I think Circus was a bigger deal though than anything Lady Gaga has put out recently.  Circus brought Britney back to decent popularity and also moved her sound forward into the electropop era.  It was a very fresh and fun album.  Gaga on the other hand hasn't put out anything super inspiring since Born This Way.

Uhhh, Celine Dion was huge in the 1990's. She's like the third best selling female artist of all time. After Madonna and Mariah Carey.

I wouldn't mind having Celine's career!

Uhhh, Celine Dion was huge in the 1990's. She's like the third best selling female artist of all time. After Madonna and Mariah Carey.

I wouldn't mind having Celine's career!


Maybe I'm underestimating her.  I always pictured her as like somebody who performs in Vegas and has a devoted following, but most people cringe when one of her songs comes on.  Maybe she is more of a baby boomer fad.

Maybe I'm underestimating her.  I always pictured her as like somebody who performs in Vegas and has a devoted following, but most people cringe when one of her songs comes on.  Maybe she is more of a baby boomer fad.


I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if you are right. Plus, she's probably like Justin Bieber, a guilty pleasure!

Maybe I'm underestimating her.  I always pictured her as like somebody who performs in Vegas and has a devoted following, but most people cringe when one of her songs comes on.  Maybe she is more of a baby boomer fad.


Baby boomer fad? This is an interesting observation because I DO know someone who's pushing 60 and she's gaga on Gaga, has been since Gaga rose to stardom. But... that's just one person

She'd have to crash an event and start singing out of nowhere

Uhhh, Celine Dion was huge in the 1990's. She's like the third best selling female artist of all time. After Madonna and Mariah Carey.

I wouldn't mind having Celine's career!


Canadian... non, Québécoise talenTe! Wow!

I like some of her French songs but they all sound the same tbh.

As for Gaga, I think The Cure sounded too much like a Chainsmokers song. It's an inferior version of Roses.  :-X I think she still belongs in electropop though.


Baby boomer fad? This is an interesting observation because I DO know someone who's pushing 60 and she's gaga on Gaga, has been since Gaga rose to stardom. But... that's just one person


He was talking about Dion.

Canadian... non, Québécoise talenTe! Wow!

I like some of her French songs but they all sound the same tbh.

As for Gaga, I think The Cure sounded too much like a Chainsmokers song. It's an inferior version of Roses.  :-X I think she still belongs in electropop though.

He was talking about Dion.


I really do like the Cure though.  I think it's better than a typical Chainsmokers song, though they definitely have similar styles.

Gaga has toned down her 'over-the-topness'.

She'll always have a certain amount of fans, because she does have talent.

One problem is that record sales have gone down so much, a number one debut doesn't guarantee a Platinum certification anymore, or even a Gold one. Look at Katy Perry, her new album debuted with 160,000 copies of pure sales, at number one. In the second week, it dropped to only 20,000+ copies.

And only time will tell if big sellers like Taylor Swift and Adele will sell big like they used to anymore. But even if they sell less than they used to, it's hard to tell if it's the slipping album sales trend, or if it's because they're both past their peaks.

One problem is that record sales have gone down so much, a number one debut doesn't guarantee a Platinum certification anymore, or even a Gold one. Look at Katy Perry, her new album debuted with 160,000 copies of pure sales, at number one. In the second week, it dropped to only 20,000+ copies.

Yeah, Katy Perry is struggling in the same way, perhaps even worse than Gaga. At least Joanne has had decent longevity.

And only time will tell if big sellers like Taylor Swift and Adele will sell big like they used to anymore. But even if they sell less than they used to, it's hard to tell if it's the slipping album sales trend, or if it's because they're both past their peaks.

I have a hunch that Taylor Swift's next album will completely and utterly swallow up the charts the same way Ed Sheeran's Divide dominated everything early this year. Swift actually became famous slightly sooner than Gaga, but she's also 3 years younger.

Yeah, Katy Perry is struggling in the same way, perhaps even worse than Gaga. At least Joanne has had decent longevity.

I have a hunch that Taylor Swift's next album will completely and utterly swallow up the charts the same way Ed Sheeran's Divide dominated everything early this year. Swift actually became famous slightly sooner than Gaga, but she's also 3 years younger.


I wouldn't be surprised.

As for Gaga, it's hard to get momentum once you lose it. She came off like she was using the gay community for records sales with Born This Way, so I think that turned a lot of people off, even straights.

A duet with Mister Worldwide would do the trick. With Ke$ha singing harmonies.

Maybe I'm underestimating her.  I always pictured her as like somebody who performs in Vegas and has a devoted following, but most people cringe when one of her songs comes on.  Maybe she is more of a baby boomer fad.


Speaking as a Boomer, I can tell you Lady Gaga is definitely NOT a Boomer fad. Not with THIS Boomer anyway.  8-P

However, now that the topic has come up, I can see her sustaining a career as a sort of over-the-top Vegas type act that "old people" go to see, in a Bette Midler sort of way.

Gaga has toned down her 'over-the-topness'.

She'll always have a certain amount of fans, because she does have talent.

One problem is that record sales have gone down so much, a number one debut doesn't guarantee a Platinum certification anymore, or even a Gold one. Look at Katy Perry, her new album debuted with 160,000 copies of pure sales, at number one. In the second week, it dropped to only 20,000+ copies.

And only time will tell if big sellers like Taylor Swift and Adele will sell big like they used to anymore. But even if they sell less than they used to, it's hard to tell if it's the slipping album sales trend, or if it's because they're both past their peaks.


Katy Perry would have done decently if she didn't release trash like Bon Appétit / Swish Swish :-X ;D

I still believe in Taylor. She knows how to bring in the classic, catchy hits!  8) And I can't stop listening to it now that she released it on Spotify LOL.

Her collab with Zayn was doing well in the charts earlier this year.

Her last two singles though, Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams weren't that good. They were successful but I don't they left a good taste in people's mouth. They were riding off the success of Shake It Off / Blank Space / Style, which were radio porn (seriously, when I turn on the radio, those are exactly the kind of songs I expect to hear ;D) She's definitely capable of releasing duds every now and then.

Katy Perry would have done decently if she didn't release trash like Bon Appétit / Swish Swish :-X ;D

I still believe in Taylor. She knows how to bring in the classic, catchy hits!  8) And I can't stop listening to it now that she released it on Spotify LOL.

Her collab with Zayn was doing well in the charts earlier this year.

Her last two singles though, Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams weren't that good. They were successful but I don't they left a good taste in people's mouth. They were riding off the success of Shake It Off / Blank Space / Style, which were radio porn (seriously, when I turn on the radio, those are exactly the kind of songs I expect to hear ;D) She's definitely capable of releasing duds every now and then.


I liked Bad Blood!  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X

Bad Blood wasn't terrible, it was just so overplayed that near the end of it's run I never wanted to hear it again.  Artists like Ed Sheeran suffer from the same problem.

Taylor Swift is just completely tasteless, in my opinion, compared to my favourite pop starlets of decades past. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that 1989 won Album of the Year for 2015. That song "Style" is especially overrated, in my opinion.

As I said in the other thread, Swift and Perry are pretty much becoming irrelevant. They're past their peak, and they are not even in the top 10 anymore.

She would have to pose nude for a magazine.

As I said in the other thread, Swift and Perry are pretty much becoming irrelevant. They're past their peak, and they are not even in the top 10 anymore.


Swift will be back, she just went on a sort of hiatus last year. Michael Jackson wasn't really on the charts at all throughout 1985 and 1986, and yet 1987's bad is tied with Katy Perry's Teenage Dream for most #1's from a single album.

(The fact that I'm able to compare Taylor Swift to Michael Jackson makes me so depressed.)

I liked Bad Blood!  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X


No, that song is so annoying! That's one Taylor Swift song that if you played at a party, everyone would leave LOL. ;D


Bad Blood wasn't terrible, it was just so overplayed that near the end of it's run I never wanted to hear it again.  Artists like Ed Sheeran suffer from the same problem.


Shape of You was annoying from the beginning.  :-X I liked driving to Castle on the Hill. His latest single Galway Girl is really good too!

Taylor Swift is just completely tasteless, in my opinion, compared to my favourite pop starlets of decades past. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that 1989 won Album of the Year for 2015. That song "Style" is especially overrated, in my opinion.


No one takes the Grammy's seriously anymore. ;D

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I thought Style was a cute song. It's not a masterpiece, or anything, but for pop radio it was "adorable" (I can't think of any other word to describe it).

No one takes the Grammy's seriously anymore. ;D

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I thought Style was a cute song. It's not a masterpiece, or anything, but for pop radio it was "adorable" (I can't think of any other word to describe it).


Homer!  ;D

No one takes the Grammy's seriously anymore. ;D

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I thought Style was a cute song. It's not a masterpiece, or anything, but for pop radio it was "adorable" (I can't think of any other word to describe it).


Though I agree with most of his opinions on pop, Todd in the Shadows called "Style" the best song of 2015, a year which he already overrated as one of the best this decade. "Style" is also Taylor Swift's highest-rated single on Rate Your Music. To my ears, it's just a shallowly composed piece of mid-2010s pop drivel with lyrics more hurtfully smug than charmingly poetic.

She would have to pose nude for a magazine.


That would be a good idea. Maybe Lady Gaga could do a spread with Ke$ha too.  :P

Though I agree with most of his opinions on pop, Todd in the Shadows called "Style" the best song of 2015, a year which he already overrated as one of the best this decade. "Style" is also Taylor Swift's highest-rated single on Rate Your Music. To my ears, it's just a shallowly composed piece of mid-2010s pop drivel with lyrics more hurtfully smug than charmingly poetic.


Hmm, yeah, I wouldn't go that far. It's a catchy, cute, innocent pop song to me. I'm not sure I'd call it the best anything.  ;D

Personally, I just like Taylor Swift's upbeat, light hearted music.  She exemplifies good pop music to me (emphasis on pop). Pop music is best when it doesn't take itself too seriously and puts you in a calm, "sunny", light hearted mood.  :-X

Katy Perry used to be good at that too... I liked Birthday, Roar, Unconditionally, Teenage Dream, Fireworks and songs like that. Then she came out with Swish Swish.  :o That's simply not her thing. Leave the edgy stuff to Lorde. ;D

Chris probably furiously disagrees with me... Call Me Maybe was an instant classic. Come at me!  :-X (you should listen to her song "Gimmie Love" though, you might love it or hate it ;D)

Personally, I just like Taylor Swift's upbeat, light hearted music.  She exemplifies good pop music to me (emphasis on pop). Pop music is best when it doesn't take itself too seriously and puts you in a calm, "sunny", light hearted mood.  :-X

She's a tasteless amateur when it comes to that. I listen to plenty of pop music, much of which cynics and snobs would consider soulless, corporate garbage, but for the most part, these tracks' production, melodic compositions, vocal deliveries, and really just about everything else far outmatches anything on 1989. "Shake It Off," for example, is just dull, shallow, and basic, while "Style" is just mush with lyrics that I cannot identify with in the least.

All the soul, enthusiasm, and technical expertise that brought so much life into Y2K era pop is nowhere to be found on new Taylor Swift songs. I would never consider "S Club Party" a high class masterpiece in the Pink Floyd sense, but at least it has a rocking beat, addictive hooks, strong development, and vocalists who sound like they give a crap about what they're singing. The difference between something like that and "Shake It Off," "Bad Blood," or "Shake It Off" is really night and day.

Actually, for a more current example, the girl group Little Mix, far more popular in their native UK than here in the States, have been churning out consistently good material since they graduated from The X Factor earlier this decade. They've been able to take on current musical styles and actually make them work, thanks to their originality, passionate vocals, and sense of direction. They were actually able to leave me smitten over a trap song with "Salute." Unlike the safe, drab pop artists that dominate music nowadays, Little Mix are just as good as your average pop group from 20 to 15 years ago. They certainly give new Taylor Swift a run for her money, at least.

Taylor Swift can be really stale and vanilla, I agree with this.

But some of her songs are pretty catchy, like Style, Blank Space, and White Horse.

She's a tasteless amateur when it comes to that. I listen to plenty of pop music, much of which cynics and snobs would consider soulless, corporate garbage, but for the most part, these tracks' production, melodic compositions, vocal deliveries, and really just about everything else far outmatches anything on 1989. "Shake It Off," for example, is just dull, shallow, and basic, while "Style" is just mush with lyrics that I cannot identify with in the least.

All the soul, enthusiasm, and technical expertise that brought so much life into Y2K era pop is nowhere to be found on new Taylor Swift songs. I would never consider "S Club Party" a high class masterpiece in the Pink Floyd sense, but at least it has a rocking beat, addictive hooks, strong development, and vocalists who sound like they give a crap about what they're singing. The difference between something like that and "Shake It Off," "Bad Blood," or "Shake It Off" is really night and day.

Actually, for a more current example, the girl group Little Mix, far more popular in their native UK than here in the States, have been churning out consistently good material since they graduated from The X Factor earlier this decade. They've been able to take on current musical styles and actually make them work, thanks to their originality, passionate vocals, and sense of direction. They were actually able to leave me smitten over a trap song with "Salute." Unlike the safe, drab pop artists that dominate music nowadays, Little Mix are just as good as your average pop group from 20 to 15 years ago. They certainly give new Taylor Swift a run for her money, at least.


I respect your opinion and your thoughts on this :)

S Club 7 is awesome. I loved their cover of Don't Stop Never Give Up. ;D

I'll check out Little Mix. I've been mini-hoping for girl group revival in the late 2010s.  :-X

Taylor Swift can be really stale and vanilla, I agree with this.

But some of her songs are pretty catchy, like Style, Blank Space, and White Horse.


LOL

LOL


And her Tim McGraw song.  :o

I respect your opinion and your thoughts on this :)

Lol, I probably wouldn't be nearly this harsh if 1989 hadn't won friggin' Album of the Year and done insanely well commercially. :P

S Club 7 is awesome. I loved their cover of Don't Stop Never Give Up. ;D

Cover? "Bring It All Back" was only originally theirs. In fact, it's one of their few songs on which the band itself was partially involved in the songwriting process.

I'll check out Little Mix. I've been mini-hoping for girl group revival in the late 2010s.  :-X


They've performed better than other post-Spice Girls UK-based girl groups, but that's not saying a whole lot. "Black Magic" and "Wings" did respectably on the Mainstream Top 40, and their albums have charted decently on the Billboard 200, but they're still relatively obscure to anyone not familiar with anything beyond surface level.

Lol, I probably wouldn't be nearly this harsh if 1989 hadn't won friggin' Album of the Year and done insanely well commercially. :P

Cover? "Bring It All Back" was only originally theirs. In fact, it's one of their few songs on which the band itself was partially involved in the songwriting process.

They've performed better than other post-Spice Girls UK-based girl groups, but that's not saying a whole lot. "Black Magic" and "Wings" did respectably on the Mainstream Top 40, and their albums have charted decently on the Billboard 200, but they're still relatively obscure to anyone not familiar with anything beyond surface level.
Oh, Little Mix is really popular here despite our charts being pretty Americanized, especially Shout Out to My Ex and Secret Love Song, which both really appeal to the Filipino love of songs with sentimental lyrics.

I can't believe a sh!t album like 1989 is named after one of the greatest years of all time. Taylor Swift needs to go sway.

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I was thinking the next decade might have a backlash against singers like Adele due to her pseudo-jazz vocal style being so popular among indie and hipster bands to a point where it has a similar effect that the post-grunge yarls of the 00's had.


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You shoulda posted a photo of a giant turd. THAT'S Taylor Swift... ::)


A duet with Mister Worldwide would do the trick. With Ke$ha singing harmonies.


I hope Kesha makes a comeback soon. We need her songs in these dire times. :-\\

I was thinking the next decade might have a backlash against singers like Adele due to her pseudo-jazz vocal style being so popular among indie and hipster bands to a point where it has a similar effect that the post-grunge yarls of the 00's had.

You shoulda posted a photo of a giant turd. THAT'S Taylor Swift... ::)

I hope Kesha makes a comeback soon. We need her songs in these dire times. :-\\


I believe that picture would be deleted.  :-X  :-X  :-X

I believe that picture would be deleted.  :-X  :-X  :-X


Probably, yes. The truth hurts. ::)

Taylor Swift needs to go sway.


I'd still party with her though.

That would be a good idea. Maybe Lady Gaga could do a spread with Ke$ha too.  :P


good idea LB. O0

As I said in the other thread, Swift and Perry are pretty much becoming irrelevant. They're past their peak, and they are not even in the top 10 anymore.

How is Taylor Swift past her peak? She was at her peak in 2015 and never left that position yet.... Katy Perry on the other hand, yeah she is well past her peak now.

I can't believe a sh!t album like 1989 is named after one of the greatest years of all time. Taylor Swift needs to go sway.

I don't listen to her music but most of her hits off that album weren't horrible and actually pretty catchy unlike some junk on the radio today. She put out stuff that is 100 times better than Ariana Grande has ever had.

I'll check out Little Mix. I've been mini-hoping for girl group revival in the late 2010s.  :-X

Little Mix is very popular. You haven't heard of them yet? I always hear their songs playing on the radio.

She doesn't need to do anything. She is just no longer relevant and he may come back with some albums in the future and her fan base will eat it up, but she simply is not that relevant in mainstream music anymore,

I don't listen to her music but most of her hits off that album weren't horrible and actually pretty catchy unlike some junk on the radio today. She put out stuff that is 100 times better than Ariana Grande has ever had.


I don't like either of them. 8-P

If I want catchy pop music I will listen to 80's and 90's stuff, not this 2010's crap!


I'd still party with her though.


You do that and she ends up writing an entire album dedicated to how you've "ruined her life."

You do that and she ends up writing an entire album dedicated to how you've "ruined her life."


I could live with that possibility.

I could live with that possibility.


I'd rather just party with Mister Worldwide, Kanye West and Kesha.