Romney is a conservative but still a reasonable man. Trump on the other hand is a lunatic ego manic jerk. There's really no redeeming qualities about Trump.

Maybe a bit, but the right was already going nuts before then anyway. I remember reading right wing message boards and a lot of them didn't like Romney because he was too "moderate", same with McCain in 2008 actually. It may have delayed things somewhat but the same issues would probably still remain. I think the hardcore anti immigration wing of the GOP started taking off around the late '00s actually. A lot of hispanics supported W. back in 2000 and 2004, then the anti-immigrant stuff really started taking off and the GOP completely alienated hispanic voters. I think the GOP is going to have trouble in 2018 and 2020, this far right white men only crap they're going for now is not going to work as a long term strategy. They may have won 2016 because Hillary had her own problems, but they're going to have problems long term.


Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Trump vs. Hillary the rematch.

Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Trump vs. Hillary the rematch.


That would be a mistake and the one scenario where Trump might win re-election. Dems need a newer younger candidate similar to 2008 Obama. That would be Hillary's 3rd run c'mon. The DNC has been trying to ram Hillary down people's throats for years now.  ::)

Romney is a conservative but still a reasonable man. Trump on the other hand is a lunatic ego manic jerk. There's really no redeeming qualities about Trump.

I don't fear main street conservatives and Republicans like Romney. It's the Republicans like Ted Cruz and Trump that I fear (not fear in the literal way but in a political way).

Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Trump vs. Hillary the rematch.

I disagree. Hillary isn't going to run in 2020 and I wouldn't vote for her in 2020 (if she crazily decides to run then).


That would be a mistake and the one scenario where Trump might win re-election. Dems need a newer younger candidate similar to 2008 Obama. That would be Hillary's 3rd run c'mon. The DNC has been trying to ram Hillary down people's throats for years now.  ::)

I totally agree (I see that last sentence though ;)).

Romney is a conservative but still a reasonable man. Trump on the other hand is a lunatic ego manic jerk. There's really no redeeming qualities about Trump.


I'll also consider him to be more reasonable than McCain. If McCain ever appears relatively moderate to you, then take one quick glance at his foreign policy proposals and the possible ramifications that might come along with such a hawkish view on world relations.

I'll also consider him to be more reasonable than McCain. If McCain ever appears relatively moderate to you, then take one quick glance at his foreign policy proposals and the possible ramifications that might come along with such a hawkish view on world relations.


Yeah I know McCain is like a pretty big war hawk and has his own temperament issues. Still better than Trumpy the clown though, of course almost anybody is.

I remember laughing at him too :-http://i.imgur.com/elPUzCA.png


:o I thought he was a denier, when did he... Woah, he flipped on climate, income inequality and other stuff. Fake Romney fake news.

I wonder what his reaction to the Sandy Hook shooting would've been. I mean, he wouldn't be president yet when that happens, but he'd be expected to act on it, surely.  :o


Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Trump vs. Hillary the rematch.


I'd pay to see that (through George Soros's Correct the Record cheques). I mean... Just for the lulz. :o

:o I thought he was a denier, when did he... Woah, he flipped on climate, income inequality and other stuff. Fake Romney fake news.

I wonder what his reaction to the Sandy Hook shooting would've been. I mean, he wouldn't be president yet when that happens, but he'd be expected to act on it, surely. :o

Yeah, I agree with you.

I'm going to be shocked if Hillary runs again in 2020.  :o

The hairstyles that guys were wearing this decade and the music that people were listening to would have made more sense, since they're more conforming to society and are not "shocking", something conservatives want.

It grinds my gears that dumb-ocrats think this was a "WHITElash". People forget that some minorities voted for Trump too. He wouldn't be the POTUS without a little bit of help from minorities.

I'm a conservative, straight black male from Chicago. It wasn't just white males and redneck hillbillies who voted for Trump. Trump-voters are the people you'd least expect.

Ironically, very few of my white/non-black friends are Trump-supporters. My white girlfriend is, and a small number of my old school-mates.

"Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Trump vs. Hillary the rematch."

LOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Get ready for 2 terms of Donald Trump!  8)

It grinds my gears that dumb-ocrats think this was a "WHITElash". People forget that some minorities voted for Trump too. He wouldn't be the POTUS without a little bit of help from minorities.
It grinds my gears when people use terms such as "dumb-ocrats". Same as people saying "Republitards".


I'm a conservative, straight black male from Chicago. It wasn't just white males and redneck hillbillies who voted Trump. Trump-voters are the people you'd least expect.
That is a rarity (have no problems with normal, decent conservatives...regardless of background). Also, I certainly know it wasn't just white males and rednecks who voted for Trump.


Ironically, very few of my white/non-black friends are Trump-supporters. My white girlfriend is, and a small number of old school-mates.

Your GF supports Trump or not? (your statement is kind of confusing).

Get ready for 2 terms of Donald Trump!  8)

I certainly hope that won't happen 8).

It grinds my gears that dumb-ocrats think this was a "WHITElash". People forget that some minorities voted for Trump too. He wouldn't be the POTUS without a little bit of help from minorities.

I'm a conservative, straight black male from Chicago. It wasn't just white males and redneck hillbillies who voted for Trump. Trump-voters are the people you'd least expect.

Ironically, very few of my white/non-black friends are Trump-supporters. My white girlfriend is, and a small number of my old school-mates.


Welcome to inthe00s.com.  8)  8)  8)

It grinds my gears that dumb-ocrats think this was a "WHITElash". People forget that some minorities voted for Trump too. He wouldn't be the POTUS without a little bit of help from minorities.

I'm a conservative, straight black male from Chicago. It wasn't just white males and redneck hillbillies who voted for Trump. Trump-voters are the people you'd least expect.

Ironically, very few of my white/non-black friends are Trump-supporters. My white girlfriend is, and a small number of my old school-mates.


I'm a moderate straight black male from Georgia, and I understand how you feel. I have a lot of good friends from school who I've known since Kindergarten or elementary school, and it was surprising to me to see some of their reasons voting for Trump but I can't just sit here and say "All Trump voters are white racists." because that's a straight up lie. The 2016 election was really about the lesser of two evils, and I don't blame anybody for picking Trump or Hillary.

There were many things about conservatives I agreed on and disagreed with, while there were things about liberals I disagreed with or I agreed with them too. What lead to Trump and Hillary being our candidates was all the corruption and stir up that happened in our country throughout 2012-2015 with all the police shootings, racial stuff going on, the agendas of Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter, ISIS attacks and refugee controversy, Gay Marriage being legalized across the whole nation at once, people being tired of the political correctness and being crucified for their own beliefs (which is a huge complaint I have with liberals), the LGBT stuff going too far, SJW culture, etc.

I'm going to be brutally honest but I don't blame certain people for their reasons for voting for Trump. I had many friends from school who I know are great people in the inside and as much as they didn't want to vote for Trump they still didn't want Hillary to come close to stepping in. Many others felt the same way about Hillary too where they had no choice but to vote for her and thought Trump would be the next Hitler in a different way.

Now I will go ahead and say that as the election was going on I could not stand the stuff Trump was saying therefore I could NOT vote for him, but I didn't completely hate on people for voting for him. Hillary wasn't all that and TBH her campaign was weak af. Trump campaigned very hard until the end while Hillary kept focusing more on the negativity of Trump instead of her own campaign. Everybody thought she was going to slide through this election easily but I knew it was going to be tough with all the people who decided to sit their asses down during election week and all the political correctness going on for the last couple of years. Trump winning may have been the best thing that happened since it was a wake up call for black people to stop being complacent and VOTE! When I remembered this stat that the Democratic Party hadn't gone 12 years since Franklin D. Roosevelt during WWII, I knew that curse was in the way. I felt like one of the only people who knew Trump had a better chance of winning than Hillary. I'm a non-denominational Christian, but I'm not a conservative nor a liberal. Liberals can easily be just as idiotic as conservatives in many ways.

I'm a moderate straight black male from Georgia, and I understand how you feel. I have a lot of good friends from school who I've known since Kindergarten or elementary school, and it was surprising to me to see some of their reasons voting for Trump but I can't just sit here and say "All Trump voters are white racists." because that's a straight up lie. The 2016 election was really about the lesser of two evils, and I don't blame anybody for picking Trump or Hillary.

There were many things about conservatives I agreed on and disagreed with, while there were things about liberals I disagreed with or I agreed with them too. What lead to Trump and Hillary being our candidates was all the corruption and stir up that happened in our country throughout 2012-2015 with all the police shootings, racial stuff going on, the agendas of Black Lives Matter and All Lives Matter, ISIS attacks and refugee controversy, Gay Marriage being legalized across the whole nation at once, people being tired of the political correctness and being crucified for their own beliefs (which is a huge complaint I have with liberals), the LGBT stuff going too far, SJW culture, etc.

I'm going to be brutally honest but I don't blame certain people for their reasons for voting for Trump. I had many friends from school who I know are great people in the inside and as much as they didn't want to vote for Trump they still didn't want Hillary to come close to stepping in. Many others felt the same way about Hillary too where they had no choice but to vote for her and thought Trump would be the next Hitler in a different way.

Now I will go ahead and say that as the election was going on I could not stand the stuff Trump was saying therefore I could NOT vote for him, but I didn't completely hate on people for voting for him. Hillary wasn't all that and TBH her campaign was weak af. Trump campaigned very hard until the end while Hillary kept focusing more on the negativity of Trump instead of her own campaign. Everybody thought she was going to slide through this election easily but I knew it was going to be tough with all the people who decided to sit their asses down during election week and all the political correctness going on for the last couple of years. Trump winning may have been the best thing that happened since it was a wake up call for black people to stop being complacent and VOTE! When I remembered this stat that the Democratic Party hadn't gone 12 years since Franklin D. Roosevelt during WWII, I knew that curse was in the way. I felt like one of the only people who knew Trump had a better chance of winning than Hillary. I'm a non-denominational Christian, but I'm not a conservative nor a liberal. Liberals can easily be just as idiotic as conservatives in many ways.

Good points (mostly).

I'm a liberal from NYC, non-denominational Christian. I couldn't vote in the 2016 election (I was born in 1999, as you know) but if I could...I would have voted for Hillary. I know Hillary wasn't an exceptional candidate and I know that she should have went to certain states that she didn't and I know that she should of focused more on economic issues rather than social and anti-Trump ones...however, Trump is just someone I could not vote for. I also couldn't vote for any third party candidate because I identify as a Democrat and because the 2 prominent third party candidates Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein were just not for me. Johnson was ignorant on some issues and I just don't like the liberatarian idea of "government so small that you can't see it" and Stein was too liberal and crazy for me. I just hope that the Dems nominate someone good to great for President in 2020.

Romney is a conservative but still a reasonable man. Trump on the other hand is a lunatic ego manic jerk. There's really no redeeming qualities about Trump.

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I am a conservative but I agree with you about Trump. I have never been a fan of Trump or Romney. Trump was not prepared, ready to be President. Too many temper tantrums. He doesn't play well with others. I read several threads and this site seems to be heavily dominated by liberals (not that there is anything wrong with that) but I should probably keep my conservative  views to myself  ;D ;D ;D

"Your GF supports Trump or not? (your statement is kind of confusing)."

I mean she's also a conservative who voted for Trump.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am a conservative but I agree with you about Trump. I have never been a fan of Trump or Romney. Trump was not prepared, ready to be President. Too many temper tantrums. He doesn't play well with others. I read several threads and this site seems to be heavily dominated by liberals (not that there is anything wrong with that) but I should probably keep my conservative  views to myself  ;D ;D ;D

I also agree with you on Trump.

BTW, conservatives can voice their opinions on here....most of us liberals on this site don't mind. Also, this site was meant for discussion and debates (they can get heated sometimes :().

"Your GF supports Trump or not? (your statement is kind of confusing)."

I mean she's also a conservative who voted for Trump.

OH OK, I gotcha ;).

"Trump winning may have been the best thing that happened since it was a wake up call for black people to stop being complacent and VOTE!"

Tbh, as a black dude, I don't believe that this is a wake up call for the majority of our people to get out and vote. A lot of our people feel that America's screwed regardless of who wins the presidential election. I believe the only way more blacks would vote is if another promising black man like Obama ran for POTUS. Like Kanye West. He's seriously running in 2024, believe it or not.

I know that sounds crazy. I did too. But think about it: If Kanye West's presidential campaign is successful, it'll be like 2008 all over again where Black-Americans were excited to actually vote. Plus, Kanye is a Republican. The fact that he's a Republican might help get blacks out of the democratic plantation.

I'm not sure if a rapper would make a good President, but I'd vote for him just to see what happens if he wins. It would certainly be interesting to see a rapper as the POTUS. I'm quite curious.

I also agree with you on Trump.

BTW, conservatives can voice their opinions on here....most of us liberals on this site don't mind. Also, this site was meant for discussion and debates (they can get heated sometimes :().

I remember when Kennedy was President  :o :o I have been around. My childhood was the early 1960s, a conservative time. I wish the world could go back to those times. In the mid 60s...there was a whole lot of racism back then. And for 40 years or more things were getting better, thank goodness.  Ever since Obama was President and now Trump, race relations are worse now than in the 60s in almost all areas of society. (I am not blaming Mr's Obama or Trump for this)
I actually blame the media. They are the ones who are fueling this and much of the hatred.  Media of the 60s, 70s and 80s were not like this. I know. I was there.
Ah I am rambling on past my bedtime, goodnight young folks!

I'm not sure if a rapper would make a good President, but I'd vote for him just to see what happens if he wins. It would certainly be interesting to see a rapper as the POTUS. I'm quite curious.

I would advice to not vote for someone..."just because". I mean that's how we ended up with Trump :-X :-X :-X.

I remember when Kennedy was President  :o :o I have been around. My childhood was the early 1960s, a conservative time. I wish the world could go back to those times. In the mid 60s...there was a whole lot of racism back then. And for 40 years or more things were getting better, thank goodness.  Ever since Obama was President and now Trump, race relations are worse now than in the 60s in almost all areas of society. (I am not blaming Mr's Obama or Trump for this)
I actually blame the media. They are the ones who are fueling this and much of the hatred.  Media of the 60s, 70s and 80s were not like this. I know. I was there.
Ah I am rambling on past my bedtime, goodnight young folks!

Oh no, I definitely see your points and agree with most of them.

Also, it's interesting to hear the opinion of a man much older than me :).

Suddenly the conservatives are coming out of the woods, on this site.  :P

I would advice to not vote for someone..."just because". I mean that's how we ended up with Trump :-X :-X :-X.


LOL. ;D I honestly feel safe with Trump as the POTUS, and I feel that our country's headed in the right direction, just as long as we don't go back to a democrat.

You ought to be glad Trump won the presidency. Putin would've waged war with the United States if Hillary had won. It's good that Trump & Pence are keeping the peace and making allies, especially with Russia.

Hillary's going to run again. The next election will probably be Drumpf vs. Hillary the rematch.


1. Hillary would be 73 years old if she'll run again in 2020.

2. Nobody takes her that seriously, aside from her voters (and sadly, most of them were Bernie Sanders supporters at first).

3. We really don't need her at all. What we need is a younger and influential Democratic candidate that could win against Trump.

LOL. ;D I honestly feel safe with Trump as the POTUS, and I feel that our country's headed in the right direction, just as long as we don't go back to a democrat.
Well, I feel the exact opposite.


You ought to be glad Trump won the presidency. Putin would've waged war with the United States if Hillary had won. It's good that Trump & Pence are keeping the peace and making allies, especially with Russia.

Well, I disagree with the "Hillary wanted war with Russia" claim. Also, I heavily disagree with being "friends" with Russia...we shouldn't be enemies but certainly not friends.

"I disagree with the "Hillary wanted war with Russia" claim. Also, I heavily disagree with being "friends" with Russia...we shouldn't be enemies but certainly not friends."

Why not be friends with Russia? It's better to be their "friend" than an enemy.

"I disagree with the "Hillary wanted war with Russia" claim. Also, I heavily disagree with being "friends" with Russia...we shouldn't be enemies but certainly not friends."

Why not be friends with Russia? It's better to be their "friend" than an enemy.

Like I said...we shouldn't be enemies but not friends either. We should be acquaintances and also maybe partners in certain areas. Russia's aggression in Ukraine and Crimea and Russia's interference in the 2016 Presidential election is why we shouldn't be friends with Russia.

"Russia's aggression in Ukraine and Crimea and Russia's interference in the 2016 Presidential election is why we shouldn't be friends with Russia."

So what if they're aggressive? So what if they were involved in the Presidential election? At least we don't have Hillary in office. That's the important thing. Besides, no one can prove that Russian hackers caused Trump to win the presidency.

"Russia's aggression in Ukraine and Crimea and Russia's interference in the 2016 Presidential election is why we shouldn't be friends with Russia."

So what if they're aggressive? So what if they were involved in the Presidential election? At least we don't have Hillary in office. That's the important thing. Besides, no one can prove that Russian hackers caused Trump to win the presidency.

"So what if they're aggressive? So what if they were involved in the Presidential election? At least we don't have Hillary in office."
So, you're saying that it's OK for countries to just freely invade others and annex territories for no real reason? ???. Also, if they interfered in our Presidential election and we do nothing about that would be a great threat to our democracy and they will continue to do so...also this is not about Hillary (I don't care that you hate Hillary)....being apathetic towards Russia's interference in our election is not good.

Another point, no one (outside of a few far left sources) is saying that Russian hackers caused Trump to win the Presidency.....what we're saying is that Russian hackers spread false information that potentially changed the opinions of many American voters and they voted with that false info in mind (voting based on false information is highly dangerous in a democracy).

"So, you're saying that it's OK for countries to just freely invade others and annex territories for no real reason? ???. Also, if they interfered in our Presidential election and we do nothing about that would be a great threat to our democracy and they will continue to do so...also this is not about Hillary (I don't care that you hate Hillary)....being apathetic towards Russia's interference in our election is not good."

But America has always freely invaded other countries for decades for no real reason. Also, I do not "hate" Hillary. It's just that Hillary being the POTUS would've been a dangerous mistake is all. Plus, I'm a Republican. Like I said before, no one can prove Russia's interference.

"Another point, no one (outside of a few far left sources) is saying that Russian hackers caused Trump to win the Presidency.....what we're saying is that Russian hackers spread false information that potentially changed the opinions of many American voters and they voted with that false info in mind (voting based on false information is highly dangerous in a democracy)."

So you're telling me that Russian hackers changed my opinions and I voted with false info in mind? Tell me more. I don't understand. Also, I believe that this is a Republic, not a Democracy.

"So, you're saying that it's OK for countries to just freely invade others and annex territories for no real reason? ???. Also, if they interfered in our Presidential election and we do nothing about that would be a great threat to our democracy and they will continue to do so...also this is not about Hillary (I don't care that you hate Hillary)....being apathetic towards Russia's interference in our election is not good."

But America has always freely invaded other countries for decades for no real reason. Also, I do not "hate" Hillary. It's just that Hillary being the POTUS would've been a dangerous mistake is all. Plus, I'm a Republican. Like I said before no one can prove Russia's interference.
Bringing out America's history is a valid point but not relevant to bring up because it doesn't make what Russia did OK. Also, are you saying that basically all of our national intelligence agencies are lying? ???. It is a proven fact that they interfered...heck even Putin himself today, said that, "patriotic" Russian hackers could have interfered with our election. So not only would you be disagreeing with our national intelligence community but even Vladimir Putin himself.


"Another point, no one (outside of a few far left sources) is saying that Russian hackers caused Trump to win the Presidency.....what we're saying is that Russian hackers spread false information that potentially changed the opinions of many American voters and they voted with that false info in mind (voting based on false information is highly dangerous in a democracy)."

So you're telling me that Russian hackers changed my opinions and I voted with talse info in mind? Tell me more. I don't understand. Also, I believe that this is a Republic, not a democracy.

Russian hackers may or may not have personally change your opinions but they certainly did change many other American voters opinions (even I believed some of them because I was heavily anti-Hillary in the beginning). Also, yes the US is a republic but we do hold democratic elections.

"are you saying that basically all of our national intelligence agencies are lying?"

Maybe they're just wrong about the interference. Maybe some of them don't like Trump anyway.

"Putin himself today, said that, "patriotic" Russian hackers COULD HAVE interfered with our election. So not only would you be disagreeing with our national intelligence community but even Vladimir Putin himself.

But it's still not proven. Show me the facts.

"Russian hackers may or may not  personally change your opinions but they certainly did change many other American voters opinions"

Oh please. That sounds ridiculous. How can Russian hackers change an American voter's opinion? Do feel free to explain. I'm certain that the vast majority of voters were not influenced by some Russian hackers.

"are you saying that basically all of our national intelligence agencies are lying?"

Maybe they're just wrong about the interference. Maybe some of them don't like Trump anyway.

"Putin himself today, said that, "patriotic" Russian hackers COULD HAVE interfered with our election. So not only would you be disagreeing with our national intelligence community but even Vladimir Putin himself.

But it's still not proven. Show me the facts.
OK now you're just denying facts because you don't like it. It's fine that you support Trump but c'mon...Russia interfered with our election. You are trying to make it seem like our national intelligence agencies are pawns for the Democrats (common right wing sentiment...which is sad) and that's dangerous and silly. Also, Russia's OWN President disagrees with you. It just makes no sense to deny it.


"Russian hackers may or may not  personally change your opinions but they certainly did change many other American voters opinions"

Oh please. That sounds ridiculous. How can Russian hackers change an American voter's opinion? Do feel free to explain. I'm certain that the vast majority of voters were not influenced by some Russian hackers.

Sounds ridiculous? No, fake news already changes people's opinions on non-politics related issues (what makes you think it doesn't change people's opinions on politics?...I was also the victim of this Russian fake news ploy) and it was not the vast majority of voters but an enough amount...also fake news wasn't the only factor to influence the election (Hillary's own campaign flaws, voter apathy and the Comey letter).

"OK now you're just denying facts because you don't like it. It's fine that you support Trump but c'mon...Russia interfered with our election. You are trying to make it seem like our national intelligence agencies are pawns for the Democrats"

Facts, huh? I suggest you read this: http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/21/russians-did-not-hack-election/

"OK now you're just denying facts because you don't like it. It's fine that you support Trump but c'mon...Russia interfered with our election. You are trying to make it seem like our national intelligence agencies are pawns for the Democrats"

Facts, huh? I suggest you read this: http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/21/russians-did-not-hack-election/

Yeah, The Federalist has a strong conservative lean...so I don't trust a good amount of info they share (not saying that they don't share factual info)

Anyways, this convo was good (you're not even the first Black male Trump supporter that I've spoken with) but I don't think that we'll come to an agreed consensus (which I think shows the political discourse and divide of America today, which is sad, but whatever).

"Trump winning may have been the best thing that happened since it was a wake up call for black people to stop being complacent and VOTE!"

Tbh, as a black dude, I don't believe that this is a wake up call for the majority of our people to get out and vote. A lot of our people feel that America's screwed regardless of who wins the presidential election. I believe the only way more blacks would vote is if another promising black man like Obama ran for POTUS. Like Kanye West. He's seriously running in 2024, believe it or not.

I know that sounds crazy. I did too. But think about it: If Kanye West's presidential campaign is successful, it'll be like 2008 all over again where Black-Americans were excited to actually vote. Plus, Kanye is a Republican. The fact that he's a Republican might help get blacks out of the democratic plantation.

I'm not sure if a rapper would make a good President, but I'd vote for him just to see what happens if he wins. It would certainly be interesting to see a rapper as the POTUS. I'm quite curious.


Err...Kanye West should run for something else first.  One thing the Trump debacle has taught me is that a person running for President should at least have some public service or military service first.  I don't think the idea of Presidents coming straight out of Hollywood into the most important job in the country is a good idea.  They might be good campaigners and be able to draw people in, but once they get in the office, they will be in over their head.  Kanye should do something like governor of California and then use that as a launching pad to the Presidency.

"Err...Kanye West should run for something else first.  One thing the Trump debacle has taught me is that a person running for President should at least have some public service or military service first.  I don't think the idea of Presidents coming straight out of Hollywood into the most important job in the country is a good idea.  They might be good campaigners and be able to draw people in, but once they get in the office, they will be in over their head.  Kanye should do something like governor of California and then use that as a launching pad to the Presidency."

In all seriousness, I doubt Kanye West being POTUS would happen anyway. But it's possible, and it would certainly be interesting...

I predict that Trump will have a 2nd term and Mike Pence will run for President in 2024. I'm excited for that. Pence would definitely bring about real change. Plus he's more on the right than Trump.

Imagine Kanye West vs. Mike Pence... Who do you think would win? Kanye West would be a hit with blacks and young people.

But Pence could win because everyone would be used to Trump by 2024, and his approval ratings would be up. So who knows. 2024 will be an interesting year for the presidential election. I'm excited for it.

"Err...Kanye West should run for something else first.  One thing the Trump debacle has taught me is that a person running for President should at least have some public service or military service first.  I don't think the idea of Presidents coming straight out of Hollywood into the most important job in the country is a good idea.  They might be good campaigners and be able to draw people in, but once they get in the office, they will be in over their head.  Kanye should do something like governor of California and then use that as a launching pad to the Presidency."

In all seriousness, I doubt Kanye West being POTUS would happen anyway. But it's possible, and it would certainly be interesting...

I predict that Trump will have a 2nd term and Mike Pence will run for President in 2024. I'm excited for that. Pence would definitely bring about real change. Plus he's more on the right than Trump.

Imagine Kanye West vs. Mike Pence... Who do you think would win? Kanye West would be a hit with blacks and young people.

But Pence could win because everyone would be used to Trump by 2024, and his approval ratings would be up. So who knows. 2024 will be an interesting year for the presidential election. I'm excited for it.


Not to mention, George H.W. Bush was Reagan's vice president who later became president.

Donald Trump winning a second term ;D ;D ;D ;D.

Kanye West running for President vs. Pence ;D ;D ;D.

Mike Pence being elected President in 2024 ;D ;D ;D.

The 3 most comical statements I've heard today...... ;D ;D ;D ;D.

"Err...Kanye West should run for something else first.  One thing the Trump debacle has taught me is that a person running for President should at least have some public service or military service first.  I don't think the idea of Presidents coming straight out of Hollywood into the most important job in the country is a good idea.  They might be good campaigners and be able to draw people in, but once they get in the office, they will be in over their head.  Kanye should do something like governor of California and then use that as a launching pad to the Presidency."

In all seriousness, I doubt Kanye West being POTUS would happen anyway. But it's possible, and it would certainly be interesting...

I predict that Trump will have a 2nd term and Mike Pence will run for President in 2024. I'm excited for that. Pence would definitely bring about real change. Plus he's more on the right than Trump.

Imagine Kanye West vs. Mike Pence... Who do you think would win? Kanye West would be a hit with blacks and young people.

But Pence could win because everyone would be used to Trump by 2024, and his approval ratings would be up. So who knows. 2024 will be an interesting year for the presidential election. I'm excited for it.


I doubt Trump makes it through his first term so we will probably have Pence vs a Democrat we don't really know yet in 2020.  I'm gay so I am not super excited about Pence but I do think he's be better than Trump and wouldn't embarrass the country like Trump is.

Nothing would change.

I do not believe Trump will have another term in 2020. It will either be another republican leader or a democrat. If an ordinary non-populist politician wins the 2020 election, the next decade may turn out to be very different from this decade and will resemble the 2000s and before a little more. Mark my words, this SJW/Alt-Right division movement and populist trend will be dead by the time 2020 arrives!

I do not believe Trump will have another term in 2020. It will either be another republican leader or a democrat. If an ordinary non-populist politician wins the 2020 election, the next decade may turn out to be very different from this decade and will resemble the 2000s and before a little more. Mark my words, this SJW/Alt-Right division movement and populist trend will be dead by the time 2020 arrives!

It'll only be dead when terrorism is no longer a concern for the West IMO.

"I disagree with the "Hillary wanted war with Russia" claim. Also, I heavily disagree with being "friends" with Russia...we shouldn't be enemies but certainly not friends."

Why not be friends with Russia? It's better to be their "friend" than an enemy.


I can't believe that this is being said about Russia of all countries. :o

Russia is not your "friend". They want to actively compete with you as the world superpower and establish their sphere of influence. What ever made you think they're your friends?

They wanted Ukraine to join their Eurasian Customs Union, but the Ukranian-speaking people knew exactly what it would entail to fall under Russia again.

That's why the Euromaidan was formed, to stop Ukraine from joining the Eurasian Union. How does Russia respond? By invading the country. Which country does this? Does Germany invade countries that don't want to join the European Union? No, this is purely a Russian thing and it's not normal.

Have you ever talked to Eastern European people? They will tell you exactly what's it like to live under Russian influence. People were shot and killed on site for trying to escape places like Eastern Germany. Even today ex-Soviet and Soviet-influenced states have the highest rates of suicide and alcoholism in the world because of the trauma. That's why people are going out and dying for a free Ukraine.

And modern Russia is not any different. You have hundreds of journalists (coincidentally also the biggest critics of Putin) being assassinated right in front of the Kremlin, political opponents being jailed or assassinated, wife-beating being legalized, concentration camps for homosexuals (under the threat of genocide). This is the country you want to be "friends" with? They're a bunch of thugs.  ???


LOL. ;D I honestly feel safe with Trump as the POTUS, and I feel that our country's headed in the right direction, just as long as we don't go back to a democrat.

You ought to be glad Trump won the presidency. Putin would've waged war with the United States if Hillary had won. It's good that Trump & Pence are keeping the peace and making allies, especially with Russia.


This Sputnik talking point needs to be put to bed. We've had multiple proxy wars with Russia (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.) and there were no nukes were falling from the sky. It's called deterrence: France, UK and the US all have nukes pointing at Moscow. Putin may be rogue but he's not stupid. If he starts a war with the US, he knows the Russian people will be annihilated to the last drop and Russian nation will become a fact of history. Putin doesn't have any death wish. It's ironic that you would deny that Russia can have any influence over you, when it's well known where this "war with Russia" talking point originated from.


I know that sounds crazy. I did too. But think about it: If Kanye West's presidential campaign is successful, it'll be like 2008 all over again where Black-Americans were excited to actually vote. Plus, Kanye is a Republican. The fact that he's a Republican might help get blacks out of the democratic plantation.


No offence, but voting for someone just because they're black is not sound reasoning.  :-X There are many more white and non-white Republicans that are more qualified and deserving of your vote than Kanye West.


"OK now you're just denying facts because you don't like it. It's fine that you support Trump but c'mon...Russia interfered with our election. You are trying to make it seem like our national intelligence agencies are pawns for the Democrats"

Facts, huh? I suggest you read this: http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/21/russians-did-not-hack-election/


Mmm, did you read your own article? It says Russia interfered with the election (but tries to convince the reader that it isn't a big deal). "Hacked the election" is a strawman, no one said they literally hacked the election results (except Jill Stein but she's a nutjob for more reasons than one).

Reignman said "interferred with the election", not "hacked the election" anyway. So your article concurs with what he's saying.  :o

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I apologize in advance if I come across as combative, I have a frank/direct manner of speaking and it always gets me in trouble. ;D

I can't believe that this is being said about Russia of all countries. :o

Russia is not your "friend". They want to actively compete with you as the world superpower and establish their sphere of influence. What ever made you think they're your friends?

They wanted Ukraine to join their Eurasian Customs Union, but the Ukranian-speaking people knew exactly what it would entail to fall under Russia again.

That's why the Euromaidan was formed, to stop Ukraine from joining the Eurasian Union. How does Russia respond? By invading the country. Which country does this? Does Germany invade countries that don't want to join the European Union? No, this is purely a Russian thing and it's not normal.

Have you ever talked to Eastern European people? They will tell you exactly what's it like to live under Russian influence. People were shot and killed on site for trying to escape places like Eastern Germany. Even today ex-Soviet and Soviet-influenced states have the highest rates of suicide and alcoholism in the world because of the trauma. That's why people are going out and dying for a free Ukraine.

And modern Russia is not any different. You have hundreds of journalists (coincidentally also the biggest critics of Putin) being assassinated right in front of the Kremlin, political opponents being jailed or assassinated, wife-beating being legalized, concentration camps for homosexuals (under the threat of genocide). This is the country you want to be "friends" with? They're a bunch of thugs.  ???

This Sputnik talking point needs to be put to bed. We've had multiple proxy wars with Russia (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.) and there were no nukes were falling from the sky. It's called deterrence: France, UK and the US all have nukes pointing at Moscow. Putin may be rogue but he's not stupid. If he starts a war with the US, he knows the Russian people will be annihilated to the last drop and Russian nation will become a fact of history. Putin doesn't have any death wish. It's ironic that you would deny that Russia can have any influence over you, when it's well known where this "war with Russia" talking point originated from.

No offence, but voting for someone just because they're black is not sound reasoning.  :-X There are many more white and non-white Republicans that are more qualified and deserving of your vote than Kanye West.

Mmm, did you read your own article? It says Russia interfered with the election (but tries to convince the reader that it isn't a big deal). "Hacked the election" is a strawman, no one said they literally hacked the election results (except Jill Stein but she's a nutjob for more reasons than one).

Reignman said "interferred with the election", not "hacked the election" anyway. So your article concurs with what he's saying.  :o

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I apologize in advance if I come across as combative, I have a frank/direct manner of speaking and it always gets me in trouble. ;D

Yeah, you got it. Solid points.

Kanye f**king West?? Are people trying to make the United States collapse??  ???  ???  ???

The guy has mental health issues, and no, I'm not shading, or trolling, him. He needs to prove to us, or at least to me, that he's mentally stable before he has another manic rant, or whatever!

It's not that he has a mental health issue that bothers me, it's the way he deals with it, his lack of experience, and his massive ego, that bothers me.  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)