Do you think the music of 2010 was closer in style and sound to 2007 or 2017?  The big music change occurred in 2009, but listening to old songs from 2010, there are a lot of late '00s influences still prominent.  What do you think?

You made a typo of the year in your post, but I definitely say 2007. Music today is nowhere near the same as the ones from 2010.

Pitbull's The Boatlift came out in 2007 and basically invented the 2010's style of music. It continues to hold influence over popular culture today. I would have to say that music since 2007 and The Boatlift had been roughly about the same.

Pitbull's The Boatlift came out in 2007 and basically invented the 2010's style of music. It continues to hold influence over popular culture today. I would have to say that music since 2007 and The Boatlift had been roughly about the same.


Don't really agree, but since we are talking Pitbull, this is probably one of my favorite songs of the decade so far.  Probably in the top 5.

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I love this song! Honestly, that entire album is really good. I dunno if you've heard it in full or not but I definitely recommend Planet Pit if you haven't. It's got that classic early 10's feel to it. 8)

Pitbull's The Boatlift came out in 2007 and basically invented the 2010's style of music. It continues to hold influence over popular culture today. I would have to say that music since 2007 and The Boatlift had been roughly about the same.
What style would that be? I've listened to the songs on that album, and they sound more of the previous decade than today.

What did you think of "Give Me Everything"? I liked that a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPo5wWmKEaI

What did you think of "Give Me Everything"? I liked that a while back.

http://youtu.be/EPo5wWmKEaI


I liked it, but it became a bit overplayed.  I liked International Love better.

What style would that be? I've listened to the songs on that album, and they sound more of the previous decade than today.


General 2010's style. 8)

What did you think of "Give Me Everything"? I liked that a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPo5wWmKEaI


This song is also excellent! Another classic from Planet Pit!

Hotel Room Service? I think this was 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2up_Eq6r6Ko

That song is by far a certified classic! Pitbull Starring in Rebelution is my all time favorite Pitbull album. Strong beats and hooks beginning to end.

What did you think of "Give Me Everything"? I liked that a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPo5wWmKEaI
Me 3! That song was great!


General 2010's style. 8)
But what sound did it have to make it the general style of today?

It's hard to say. I'm leaning towards 2007 but it's close. Not much has changed since 2009 in this regard, TBH.

Hotel Room Service? I think this was 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2up_Eq6r6Ko


That song has that unique 2009 "electrohop" club anthem sound.  Not really '10s but different from the club anthems of the '00s.  I loved this song back in 2009 and partied to it so many times.

But what sound did it have to make it the general style of today?


Modern beats and rap style.

Modern beats and rap style.
Are you telling me that album is how trap gained popularity in the first place? It's because that's pretty much the only style I have heard in many songs of this decade.

Are you telling me that album is how trap gained popularity in the first place? It's because that's pretty much the only style I have heard in many songs of this decade.


If you listen to a lot of trap, you'll hear songs that are good for dancing in clubs and making "dat ass bounce" and what does Pitbull's music also do? It makes "dat ass bounce" so you see, Pitbull is a big influence on trap.

If you listen to a lot of trap, you'll hear songs that are good for dancing in clubs and making "dat ass bounce" and what does Pitbull's music also do? It makes "dat ass bounce" so you see, Pitbull is a big influence on trap.
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Oh, I see now. It's just that I don't remember hearing the trap style in Pitbull's Boatlift at all, and I have listened to those songs many times.

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Oh, I see now. It's just that I don't remember hearing the trap style in Pitbull's Boatlift at all, and I have listened to those songs many times.


Well, I'm definitely glad you listened to the Boatlift. Such a sick album, isn't it? ;)

Well, I'm definitely glad you listened to the Boatlift. Such a sick album, isn't it? ;)
Yeah, it is. I can't believe it's old now! It doesn't seem that way at all. :o

Yeah, it is. I can't believe it's old now! It doesn't seem that way at all. :o


I agree! It still seems very modern and progressive! So crazy to think Pitbull's peak era began 10 years ago and is still going!

I agree! It still seems very modern and progressive! So crazy to think Pitbull's peak era began 10 years ago and is still going!
Do you think his peak will continue? To me despite the #1 hits, it doesn't seem he's popular as much he was even 3/4 years ago.

Do you think his peak will continue? To me despite the #1 hits, it doesn't seem he's popular as much he was even 3/4 years ago.


I believe so, yes. Right now he's only Mr. Worldwide and there's still a lot of turf to cover. I'm thinking by 2018 or 2019, we'll start seeing a new and improved Mr. Interplanetary taking his music to the stars.

2007, but not by a whole lot. The vast bulk of genres popular in 2007 were either completely dead or on their last legs in 2010. Musicians primarily associated with hip hop and r&b in 2007 like Chris Brown, Ludacris, the Black Eyed Peas, and Rihanna were recording electronic dance club music by 2010. Rock was still huge in 2007 but was hardly a mainstream force at all in 2010, aside from more progressive, pseudo-indie tracks, as well as the very last vestiges of 2000s pop punk and post-grunge like "According to You" and "September."

The reason I say 2010 is closer to '07, however, is because electronic dance music as we knew it in the early 2010s has pretty much finally bitten the dust and is now not any more common than it was in the United States in 2007. Everything nowadays is trap and Chainsmokers-esque EDM, whereas in 2010, it was either electropop or regular pop with only mild trap influences. Also, music in the UK and other parts in Europe was overall much closer to 2007 during 2010 than it was to today. There was still less rock than had been the case in the late 2000s, but electronic club music had already been popular there for several years before the turn of the 2010s, and by the second half of the 2000s, it already sounded pretty similar to what was internationally popular in 2010. Even David Guetta and Calvin Harris were scoring several hits by 2007.

I believe so, yes. Right now he's only Mr. Worldwide and there's still a lot of turf to cover. I'm thinking by 2018 or 2019, we'll start seeing a new and improved Mr. Interplanetary taking his music to the stars.
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2007, but not by a whole lot. The vast bulk of genres popular in 2007 were either completely dead or on their last legs in 2010. Musicians primarily associated with hip hop and r&b in 2007 like Chris Brown, Ludacris, the Black Eyed Peas, and Rihanna were recording electronic dance club music by 2010. Rock was still huge in 2007 but was hardly a mainstream force at all in 2010, aside from more progressive, pseudo-indie tracks, as well as the very last vestiges of 2000s pop punk and post-grunge like "According to You" and "September."




Who else remembers the flame war that started because of a song dedication I made using that song?

Pitbull's The Boatlift came out in 2007 and basically invented the 2010's style of music. It continues to hold influence over popular culture today. I would have to say that music since 2007 and The Boatlift had been roughly about the same.


That song "Go Girl" from that album, at first I thought it was a 2014 song since that was the first time I've heard it. It could have easily fit with his 2014 album with songs like Fireball.

With hip-hop and R&B music I would say 2010 is closer to 2007, because trap music dominating the hip hop genre didn't happen yet.

With electropop music and other types of mainstream music in general, I would say 2010 is closer to 2017 than 2007. There was a big shift throughout 2009 in that part.

With the artists who are popular today, I would say 2010 is just about even between 2007 and 2017. Half of the big artists from 2010 were popular in 2007 while the other half from 2010 are still popular in 2017.

With hip-hop and R&B music I would say 2010 is closer to 2007, because trap music dominating the hip hop genre didn't happen yet.

With electropop music and other types of mainstream music in general, I would say 2010 is closer to 2017 than 2007. There was a big shift throughout 2009 in that part.

With the artists who are popular today, I would say 2010 is just about even between 2007 and 2017. Half of the big artists from 2010 were popular in 2007 while the other half from 2010 are still popular in 2017.


This is a pretty good analysis.  True electropop from 2010 doesn't really sound much like '00s music.  However, the hip-hop/r&b and some pop from 2010 still sounds quite '00s.

As much as I hate to say it as I wasn't the biggest fan of the mid 2000's. I have to say 2007 as Kayne West's Stronger and Rihanna's Umbrella was a sign of things to come in 2010 in my opinion

It's way closer to 2017. I'm very surprised at the results. Why do people think music has changed so much since 2010? Yeah we aren't in the electropop trend but the change from 2007 to 2009 was one of the most drastic changes in music ever.

Since 2009 I don't really see change in music

I agree

With hip-hop and R&B music I would say 2010 is closer to 2007, because trap music dominating the hip hop genre didn't happen yet.

But Hip Hop was kinda dead in 2010. You really didn't hear much except for Eminem's Recovery release, which still feels closer to 2010 than even his Relapse stuff from 2009. For R&B, it actually feels closer to 2017 because Usher's "OMG" song sounds a lot closer to 2017 than stuff from 2007 like Chris Brown's "With You"".

With electropop music and other types of mainstream music in general, I would say 2010 is closer to 2017 than 2007. There was a big shift throughout 2009 in that part.

I agree

With the artists who are popular today, I would say 2010 is just about even between 2007 and 2017. Half of the big artists from 2010 were popular in 2007 while the other half from 2010 are still popular in 2017.

Yeah I would also say it is pretty much split for artists.

It's way closer to 2017. I'm very surprised at the results. Why do people think music has changed so much since 2010? Yeah we aren't in the electropop trend but the change from 2007 to 2009 was one of the most drastic changes in music ever.


Because in 2010, you had songs that sounded like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1aQvm5MrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6O2ncUKvlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhuGQUZJot8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvm2OYF2p7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140ImixpY7M

2007 already had stuff like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T0utQ-XWGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTT__uvD2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowTrssfrNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjpbcsttFyM

And this is roughly the closest thing 2017 has to something within range of the sound of 2010...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xzXDStQnk

The musical shift at the end of the 2000s was undoubtedly quite seismic, but there were some linkages between 2010 and three years prior. On the other hand, 2010s musical trends have pretty much evolved to the point that 2017 pop is solidly distinguishable from 2010 pop. Sure, the evolution was quite slow, but seeing as 2017 is more than twice as far away from 2010 as 2007, it shouldn't be of too much surprise that there are in fact certain ways in which it's culturally farther than 2007, as well.

Because in 2010, you had songs that sounded like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1aQvm5MrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6O2ncUKvlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhuGQUZJot8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvm2OYF2p7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140ImixpY7M

2007 already had stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T0utQ-XWGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTT__uvD2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowTrssfrNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjpbcsttFyM

And this is roughly the closest thing 2017 has to something within range of the sound of 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xzXDStQnk

The musical shift at the end of the 2000s was undoubtedly quite seismic, but there were some linkages between 2010 and three years prior. On the other hand, 2010s musical trends have pretty much evolved to the point that 2017 pop is solidly distinguishable from 2010 pop. Sure, the evolution was quite slow, but seeing as 2017 is more than twice as far away from 2010 as 2007, it shouldn't be of too much surprise that there are in fact certain ways in which it's culturally farther than 2007, as well.

When I think of 2007, I think of songs like this, which would just sound very old and weird in 2010 - 2017. These songs are classic 2000s sounding, and they went away before 2010 arrived. But the production of the early 2010s wouldn't sound that weird to me in 2017.
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When I think of 2007, I think of songs like this, which would just sound very old and weird in 2010 - 2017. These songs are classic 2000s sounding, and they went away before 2010 arrived. But the production of the early 2010s wouldn't sound that weird to me in 2017.
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I think the vast majority of 2010 songs sound dated today. Also, even though for the most part 2007 music was behind the curve by 2010, not all of it was. Refer to my above examples – there were a decent handful of songs from 2010 that would not have sounded out of place in 2007, and vice versa.

I would argue that even 2011 is closer to 2007 musically than 2017.

Because in 2010, you had songs that sounded like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1aQvm5MrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6O2ncUKvlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhuGQUZJot8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvm2OYF2p7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140ImixpY7M

2007 already had stuff like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T0utQ-XWGY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTT__uvD2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowTrssfrNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjpbcsttFyM

And this is roughly the closest thing 2017 has to something within range of the sound of 2010...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xzXDStQnk

The musical shift at the end of the 2000s was undoubtedly quite seismic, but there were some linkages between 2010 and three years prior. On the other hand, 2010s musical trends have pretty much evolved to the point that 2017 pop is solidly distinguishable from 2010 pop. Sure, the evolution was quite slow, but seeing as 2017 is more than twice as far away from 2010 as 2007, it shouldn't be of too much surprise that there are in fact certain ways in which it's culturally farther than 2007, as well.


I agree with this completely.

The last song to come out that sounded like it could have come out in 2010 was this one from last year.  Even in 2016, songs like this were a very rare breed.

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I would argue that even 2011 is closer to 2007 musically than 2017.


I think despite even most late 00s genres being gone by 2011, a fair few prominente 00s artists such as Kelly Clarkson, 50 cent, simple plan came out with some big releases that year.

I think despite even most late 00s genres being gone by 2011, a fair few prominente 00s artists such as Kelly Clarkson, 50 cent, simple plan came out with some big releases that year.


That's a good point. With all the dubstep though, it does have a lot of ties to today too.

Aesthetically, 2010 was more similar to 2007. Many notable releases that year, such as "OMG", "Only Girl In The World" and "Raise Your Glass", still had a 2000s-vibe to them. Another similarity between the two years is the presence of rock music on the Top-40 charts, which by 2010, was on its last legs.  Apart from Harry Styles' "Sign of the Times", there simply isn't any rock music on the Top-40 charts and generally speaking, there hasn't been for quite some time. While music hasn't changed too drastically since 2010, there are a few noticeable differences and I do believe that 2010 leans more towards 2007 than it does to 2017.

Aesthetically, 2010 was more similar to 2007. Many notable releases that year, such as "OMG", "Only Girl In The World" and "Raise Your Glass"

These songs do not sound 2000s to me at all. Especially OMG which I've always found it sound very 2010s.

These songs do not sound 2000s to me at all. Especially OMG which I've always found it sound very 2010s.


Yeah, I don't see "OMG" or "Only Girl in the World" as 2000s-esque at all, really. Was Australia just more embracing of house and electro throughout the 2000s than the United States was? I know Kylie's from Australia, but I'm not sure if the country overall leaned more towards hip hop and r&b or uptempo club music that decade.

These songs do not sound 2000s to me at all. Especially OMG which I've always found it sound very 2010s.


This is just my personal opinion, but I think "OMG" and "Only Girl in the World" could easily have been released during the Late 2000s. With the exception of 2011, I think both songs would have sounded outdated if they had of been released during any other year of the 2010s. "Only Girl in the World" has much more in common with Rhianna's earlier hits, such as "Disturbia" and "Don't Stop the Music", than it does with "Work" or "This is What We Came For", not just in terms of sound, but aesthetically as well.


Was Australia just more embracing of house and electro throughout the 2000s than the United States was? I know Kylie's from Australia, but I'm not sure if the country overall leaned more towards hip hop and r&b or uptempo club music that decade.


Not really. If anything, I think Australia actually leaned more towards rock and general pop than hip hop, R&b or uptempo club music. The latter genres have always had a following in Australia (considering that our charts are very similar to the Billboard Hot 100), however they are not as popular as they are in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-gmhriM5U0

If you take a listen to the video above, the majority of the songs are pop or rock. Keep in mind that these songs would have charted with Billboard Hot 100 songs as well.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think "OMG" and "Only Girl in the World" could easily have been released during the Late 2000s. With the exception of 2011, I think both songs would have sounded outdated if they had of been released during any other year of the 2010s. "Only Girl in the World" has much more in common with Rhianna's earlier hits, such as "Disturbia" and "Don't Stop the Music", than it does with "Work" or "This is What We Came For", not just in terms of sound, but aesthetically as well.


OMG - Usher sounds like a complete 2010's song, cut and dry. Same goes for Katy Perry's music and other common artists at the time. Any music with that electropop and auto-tune sound is what has defined most of 2010's music. Even with 2013-present being past the prime of the electropop craze, the elements of the sound are still in a lot of the music today. 2007 music was still in the pop punk, rock, or emo era of music, completely different era from 2010. Late 2008 through 2009 was one of the biggest transitional phases of music ever. One of the only genres of music in 2010 that sounds closer to 2007 than 2017 is hip hop and R&B. Trap music dominating the hip-hop genre didn't happen yet, hell even artists like Future who started the trap trend weren't relevant yet. When it comes to popular artists in 2010, it's about even between 2007 and 2017. Drake, Katy Perry, Wiz Khalifa, Rihanna, and even Adele were already around by 2010, still popular today.

This is just my personal opinion, but I think "OMG" and "Only Girl in the World" could easily have been released during the Late 2000s. With the exception of 2011, I think both songs would have sounded outdated if they had of been released during any other year of the 2010s. "Only Girl in the World" has much more in common with Rhianna's earlier hits, such as "Disturbia" and "Don't Stop the Music", than it does with "Work" or "This is What We Came For", not just in terms of sound, but aesthetically as well.


I can see them coming out in 2008 or 2009, but in general it sounds too futuristic to sound like 2000s songs.

Any music with that electropop and auto-tune sound is what has defined most of 2010's music. Even with 2013-present being past the prime of the electropop craze, the elements of the sound are still in a lot of the music today. 2007 music was still in the pop punk, rock, or emo era of music, completely different era from 2010. Late 2008 through 2009 was one of the biggest transitional phases of music ever.

I agree

Aesthetically, 2010 was more similar to 2007. Many notable releases that year, such as "OMG", "Only Girl In The World" and "Raise Your Glass", still had a 2000s-vibe to them. Another similarity between the two years is the presence of rock music on the Top-40 charts, which by 2010, was on its last legs.  Apart from Harry Styles' "Sign of the Times", there simply isn't any rock music on the Top-40 charts and generally speaking, there hasn't been for quite some time. While music hasn't changed too drastically since 2010, there are a few noticeable differences and I do believe that 2010 leans more towards 2007 than it does to 2017.


I agree with this.  2010 in many ways was an extension of the late '00s.  I feel like the farthest back year that completely resonates with today is 2013 or possibly 2012.  That era really ended when the recession did (I know it technically ended in 2009 but it still felt like recession until 2011-12ish for most people.

OMG - Usher sounds like a complete 2010's song, cut and dry. Same goes for Katy Perry's music and other common artists at the time. Any music with that electropop and auto-tune sound is what has defined most of 2010's music.



I can see them coming out in 2008 or 2009, but in general it sounds too futuristic to sound like 2000s songs.


Maybe I should rephrase what I mean by "2000s vibe". I don't think the songs that I referred to sound like something that was released in the core 2000s. I think the songs that I mentioned have somewhat of a 2000s "feel" to them, which is why they wouldn't have sounded out of place in 2008 or 2009. Can you honestly say that "Raise Your Glass" sounds like a complete 2010s (and i'm referring to the decade, not the year) song? It would have sounded out of place as early as 2012.

they wouldn't have sounded out of place in 2008 or 2009.

Well 2008 and 2009 had 2010s music though, it didn't really have 2000s music anymore. I just don't think OMG is a good example, although there are a few (not many) leftover '00s sounding songs from the early '10s like Rihanna's song "Califronia King Bed" which had an 00sey feel to it and it came out in 2011. That song could probably pass for 2007.

Well 2008 and 2009 had 2010s music though, it didn't really have 2000s music anymore. I just don't think OMG is a good example, although there are a few (not many) leftover '00s sounding songs from the early '10s like Rihanna's song "Califronia King Bed" which had an 00sey feel to it and it came out in 2011. That song could probably pass for 2007.


2008 and 2009 both had plenty of '00s music so I don't know what you are talking about there.  We weren't all electropop, hipster rock, and trap rap as soon as January 1, 2008 arrived.

Here is the year-end chart for 2008.  None of the top 10 songs would have been popular past 2010 or 2011.


1
LOW
Flo Rida Featuring T-Pain

2
LEAVIN'
Jesse McCartney
Vote Watch

3
BLEEDING LOVE
Leona Lewis

4
APOLOGIZE
Timbaland Featuring OneRepublic

5
FOREVER
Chris Brown

6
TAKE A BOW

7
NO AIR
Jordin Sparks Duet With Chris Brown

8
NO ONE
Alicia Keys

9
LOVE SONG
Sara Bareilles

10
WITH YOU
Chris Brown

Forever definitely could of been popular in 2010 and 2011. That song is pure 10's!

Forever definitely could of been popular in 2010 and 2011. That song is pure 10's!


It's so futuristic, in fact, that I bet it'll still sound modern by 2025! 8)

2008 and 2009 both had plenty of '00s music so I don't know what you are talking about there.  We weren't all electropop, hipster rock, and trap rap as soon as January 1, 2008 arrived.

Here is the year-end chart for 2008.  None of the top 10 songs would have been popular past 2010 or 2011.


1
LOW
Flo Rida Featuring T-Pain

2
LEAVIN'
Jesse McCartney
Vote Watch

3
BLEEDING LOVE
Leona Lewis

4
APOLOGIZE
Timbaland Featuring OneRepublic

5
FOREVER
Chris Brown

6
TAKE A BOW

7
NO AIR
Jordin Sparks Duet With Chris Brown

8
NO ONE
Alicia Keys

9
LOVE SONG
Sara Bareilles

10
WITH YOU
Chris Brown

Late 2008 and 2009 had 2010s music and culture. We were no longer in 2000s ulture when 2009 arrived.... A lot of these you listed came out in early 2008 or 2007. Forever and Low totally sound 2010s, not 2000s. And late 2000s and early 2010s music and culture is basically the same, with the exception of 2007 and early 2008 which still had many mid 2000s songs. The 2010s have started early, in late 2008.

Forever definitely could of been popular in 2010 and 2011. That song is pure 10's!

Yes it is. Definitely could have been popular in 2011.

It's so futuristic, in fact, that I bet it'll still sound modern by 2025! 8)

It still sounds pretty modern.

Late 2008 and 2009 had 2010s music and culture. We were no longer in 2000s ulture when 2009 arrived.... A lot of these you listed came out in early 2008 or 2007. Forever and Low totally sound 2010s, not 2000s. And late 2000s and early 2010s music and culture is basically the same, with the exception of 2007 and early 2008 which still had many mid 2000s songs. The 2010s have started early, in late 2008.


Explain?

Yes it is. Definitely could have been popular in 2011.


I think it could even be popular today. It has a very current 2010's sound!


It's so futuristic, in fact, that I bet it'll still sound modern by 2025! 8)


You're god damn right! Forever is a very forward thinking song with modern production techniques that won't sound dated for a number of years.

Explain?

Just look at Mq96's post a couple posts above and he explains it well. I explained it like him many times as well.

Actually, almost everyone agrees with this that 2008 was a transitional year. Just look at the post "2008 was a bipolar year" that was made recently. And all the other countless explanations of how late 2008 was a big shift in culture and music, not just on this forum but everywhere else online. SO you and Jordan are smoking something. And honestly the sarcasm is really annoying because I mentioned Forever ONCE in a topic and you two keep bringing it up for some reason which is really weird...

Just look at Mq96's post a couple posts above and he explains it well. I explained it like him many times as well.

Actually, almost everyone agrees with this that 2008 was a transitional year. Just look at the post "2008 was a bipolar year" that was made recently. And all the other countless explanations of how late 2008 was a big shift in culture and music, not just on this forum but everywhere else online. SO you and Jordan are smoking something. And honestly the sarcasm is really annoying because I mentioned Forever ONCE in a topic and you two keep bringing it up for some reason which is really weird...


I think if you were transported back to 2008, you would find it a lot more different from today than you might remember it.  Here are a few things.  I've went over them before but will go over them again.

Music: In late 2008 electropop was on the rise, but the year had a lot of very '00s sounding songs.  Rock was still prevalent in Top 40.  2008 was not a year dominated by electropop or trap rap.  Late '00s glam rap was still quite popular that year, moreso than trap.

Tech: Only one smartphone was available and it was the iPhone.  The 2008 iPhone was quite primitive compared to today's iPhone.  The app store didn't get its start until 2008.  Most people were still using Motorola Razr flipphones or hybrid smart/dumb phones in 2008, such as the Sony Ericsson.  If you bought a PC it came with Windows Vista unless you pre-ordered it with XP.  Tablets were clunky and had not caught on yet.  Social media was a battle between Facebook and MySpace, with college students tending to prefer Facebook and high school students leaning towards MySpace.

Fashion: Nobody was talking about hipsters.  Scene/emo was still very relevant.  Most guys still wore a scene haircut or some variation of it.  '00s brands defined by their logos like A&F, American Eagle, Hollister, and Aeropostale were still popular in 2008.

Politics: Obama was elected in 2008, but the political environment was still very '00s.  The issues were were dealing with, like the Iraq War, the Great Recession, high gas prices, etc were '00s issues, not '10s issues.  The Tea Party didn't exist in 2008 and nobody had heard of SJWs.  If anybody would have mentioned Donald Trump as a serious Presidential contender, everyone would have laughed.

Television: Shows like Lost, Prison Break, 24, CSI, The Office, etc all dominated 2008.  Those are all shows associated more with the '00s than the '10s.

Movies: The Marvel Cinematic Universe craze had not arrived in full force yet by 2008.  The dystopian fiction craze had also yet to arrive.  If anything defines 2008 for me, it's teen/college raunchy comedy, mockumentaries, and cheesy horror films.  Those genres have fallen out of favor today.

Just look at Mq96's post a couple posts above and he explains it well. I explained it like him many times as well.

I can't speak directly for mq96, but I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting many of his points. He didn't say everything was completely different by the end of 2008. He actually included only late 2008 and then ALL of 2009 in his description, which basically implies 2008 was much more similar to 2007 than 2010 musically, even during the late part (since that's when the transition merely began). When he mentioned Usher, he referred to 2010's "OMG" as full-on 2010s, NOT 2008's "Love in This Club," a drastically different track. When he mentioned Katy Perry, I'm pretty sure he was talking specifically about Teenage Dream instead of One of the Boys, since Teenage Dream was what came out "at the time" of "OMG."

Actually, almost everyone agrees with this that 2008 was a transitional year. Just look at the post "2008 was a bipolar year" that was made recently. And all the other countless explanations of how late 2008 was a big shift in culture and music, not just on this forum but everywhere else online. SO you and Jordan are smoking something.

I don't know, from what I've come across, more people seem to categorize 2008 and even 2009 with the 2000s instead of the 2010s. But it's certainly amusing to see you take such a subjectively decadeoligic perspective so dogmatically when a huge chunk of songs from 2009 are much more 2000s-esque than you give them credit for and aren't all like Lady Gaga.

And honestly the sarcasm is really annoying because I mentioned Forever ONCE in a topic and you two keep bringing it up for some reason which is really weird...


Well, for the record, it was bchris02 who initially brought it up in this case, and it was invoked to prove that 2008 music was more 2000s than 2010s. However, since you immediately followed responded by saying it and "Low" sounded "totally 2010s," once again without any specific details, I can't help but continue to scratch my head as to how "Forever" is ANYTHING lile "Yeah 3x" or any of Chris Brown's other non-urban electronic club songs from this decade.

I think if you were transported back to 2008, you would find it a lot more different from today than you might remember it.  Here are a few things.  I've went over them before but will go over them again.

Music: In late 2008 electropop was on the rise, but the year had a lot of very '00s sounding songs.  Rock was still prevalent in Top 40.  2008 was not a year dominated by electropop or trap rap.  Late '00s glam rap was still quite popular that year, moreso than trap.

Tech: Only one smartphone was available and it was the iPhone.  The 2008 iPhone was quite primitive compared to today's iPhone.  The app store didn't get its start until 2008.  Most people were still using Motorola Razr flipphones or hybrid smart/dumb phones in 2008, such as the Sony Ericsson.  If you bought a PC it came with Windows Vista unless you pre-ordered it with XP.  Tablets were clunky and had not caught on yet.  Social media was a battle between Facebook and MySpace, with college students tending to prefer Facebook and high school students leaning towards MySpace.

Fashion: Nobody was talking about hipsters.  Scene/emo was still very relevant.  Most guys still wore a scene haircut or some variation of it.  '00s brands defined by their logos like A&F, American Eagle, Hollister, and Aeropostale were still popular in 2008.

Politics: Obama was elected in 2008, but the political environment was still very '00s.  The issues were were dealing with, like the Iraq War, the Great Recession, high gas prices, etc were '00s issues, not '10s issues.  The Tea Party didn't exist in 2008 and nobody had heard of SJWs.  If anybody would have mentioned Donald Trump as a serious Presidential contender, everyone would have laughed.

Television: Shows like Lost, Prison Break, 24, CSI, The Office, etc all dominated 2008.  Those are all shows associated more with the '00s than the '10s.

Movies: The Marvel Cinematic Universe craze had not arrived in full force yet by 2008.  The dystopian fiction craze had also yet to arrive.  If anything defines 2008 for me, it's teen/college raunchy comedy, mockumentaries, and cheesy horror films.  Those genres have fallen out of favor today.

None of those things make it any less 2010s. I never said the late 2000s and early 2010s weren't dated, they were indeed dated and things are pretty different now. But they were still 2010s stuff, just different from today but still part of the 2010s decade. Just like how 2007 and 2000 were very different but they were both still part of the 2000s decade, (2000 a little more 00sey than '07). I look at things from late 2008 and 2009 part of the 2010s decade. It was clear we were moving to a different direction during this time. And the early 2010s defined the 2010s more than the mid 2010s do, this is evident when searching online for 2010s decade and search results and images come back with early 2010s stuff. At least this is the way I see it.

I can't speak directly for mq96, but I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting many of his points. He didn't say everything was completely different by the end of 2008. He actually included only late 2008 and then ALL of 2009 in his description, which basically implies 2008 was much more similar to 2007 than 2010 musically, even during the late part (since that's when the transition merely began). When he mentioned Usher, he referred to 2010's "OMG" as full-on 2010s, NOT 2008's "Love in This Club," a drastically different track. When he mentioned Katy Perry, I'm pretty sure he was talking specifically about Teenage Dream instead of One of the Boys, since Teenage Dream was what came out "at the time" of "OMG."

No I am not. Things were changing in late 2008 and that was very clear (recession, new president, new music, etc.)


I don't know, from what I've come across, more people seem to categorize 2008 and even 2009 with the 2000s instead of the 2010s. But it's certainly amusing to see you take such a subjectively decadeoligic perspective so dogmatically when a huge chunk of songs from 2009 are much more 2000s-esque than you give them credit for and aren't all like Lady Gaga.

Who are these more people?  ??? Wayyy more people realize 2009 was part of the 2010s, at the least part of the early 2010s specifically. The other thread I mentioned is an example, people from other sites saying this, and many other posts on here make this point (Like Eazy-1995 was one who agrees with me on this too). A minority of people would call 2009 more culturally 2000s than 2010s. Not saying there weren't any 2000s leftovers because there were, but 2008 - 2009 would be the start of the 2010s decade in terms of culture.

None of those things make it any less 2010s. I never said the late 2000s and early 2010s weren't dated, they were indeed dated and things are pretty different now. But they were still 2010s stuff, just different from today but still part of the 2010s decade. Just like how 2007 and 2000 were very different but they were both still part of the 2000s decade, (2000 a little more 00sey than '07). I look at things from late 2008 and 2009 part of the 2010s decade. It was clear we were moving to a different direction during this time. And the early 2010s defined the 2010s more than the mid 2010s do, this is evident when searching online for 2010s decade and search results and images come back with early 2010s stuff. At least this is the way I see it.


I think 2008 was a lot closer to 2000 culturally than 2017, but that's another discussion.  I think the '10s are much more defined by the mid '10s i.e. Obama's second term and the culture of that era than they are by the late '00s.  Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers: Age of Ultron are much more quintessential 2010s movies than Avatar or the Dark Knight were.

In terms of doing image searches and early '10s stuff coming back, I am certain because that is and will be perhaps the most fondly remembered part of the decade.  Also, we aren't far enough from the mid '10s for any nostalgia, if there will be any, to take shape. 2000s nostalgia is mostly focused on the early 2000s, though as well all know, there was much more too the decade than that.

No I am not. Things were changing in late 2008 and that was very clear (recession, new president, new music, etc.)
Who are these more people?  ??? Wayyy more people realize 2009 was part of the 2010s, at the least part of the early 2010s specifically. The other forum is an example, people from other sites saying this, and many other posts on here make this point (Like Eazy-1995 was one who agrees with me on this too). A minority of people would call 2009 more culturally 2000s than 2010s.


People overestimate how eventful 2009 was. You're right, things were heading in a different direction in Late 2008, however Late 2008 to Early-Mid 2009 still felt more culturally 2000s. The real change occurred around October 2009, around the time the Black Eyed Pea's "I Gotta Feeling" became a huge hit. I can remember it well. Late 2009 did feel more culturally 2010s, however Early-Mid 2009 still leaned more towards the 2000s.

I think 2008 was a lot closer to 2000 culturally than 2017, but that's another discussion.  I think the '10s are much more defined by the mid '10s i.e. Obama's second term and the culture of that era than they are by the late '00s.  Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers: Age of Ultron are much more quintessential 2010s movies than Avatar or the Dark Knight were.

In terms of doing image searches and early '10s stuff coming back, I am certain because that is and will be perhaps the most fondly remembered part of the decade.  Also, we aren't far enough from the mid '10s for any nostalgia, if there will be any, to take shape. 2000s nostalgia is mostly focused on the early 2000s, though as well all know, there was much more too the decade than that.

Well I firmly disagree with you on your point of 2008 being closer to 2000 because these two years were like universes apart. In 2008 you had advanced internet, cellphones, social media, none of which were around in 2000. These are very different years. 2017 and 2008 has all of these things, the only difference is we have more advanced smartphones and VR now, not that different. And everybody talks about the early 2010s when discussing this decade because the culture was most definitive then with Lady Gaga and coloured fashion, honestly this stuff in the mid 2010s will not be very memorable so that's why the early 2010s define the decade more. I didn't like the early 2010s, but why would anyone reminisce about SJWs and the Alt-Right rather than upbeat dance music and the movies that came out in 2010 - 2013?

People overestimate how eventful 2009 was. You're right, things were heading in a different direction in Late 2008, however Late 2008 to Early-Mid 2009 still felt more culturally 2000s. The real change occurred around October 2009, around the time the Black Eyed Pea's "I Gotta Feeling" became a huge hit. I can remember it well. Late 2009 did feel more culturally 2010s, however Early-Mid 2009 still leaned more towards the 2000s.

I think 2008 was a major transitional year. And you can clearly see this if you compare the year end charts of 2009 with 2007. The chart from 2009 have far more EDM and autotune songs to it.

Just look at Mq96's post a couple posts above and he explains it well. I explained it like him many times as well.

Actually, almost everyone agrees with this that 2008 was a transitional year. Just look at the post "2008 was a bipolar year" that was made recently. And all the other countless explanations of how late 2008 was a big shift in culture and music, not just on this forum but everywhere else online. SO you and Jordan are smoking something. And honestly the sarcasm is really annoying because I mentioned Forever ONCE in a topic and you two keep bringing it up for some reason which is really weird...


What sarcasm? I am agreeing with you about Forever's forward thinking production. It is a very 2010's feeling hit similar to Pitbull's The Boatlift from 2007 which still sounds relevant in 2017.