So far, he still looks more like Aaron Carter and Cody Simpson than Michael Jackson.

Noah Cyrus is a female ;D. She's the younger and only biological sister of Miley Cyrus. Also, Noah Cyrus is only 17 years old (she was born January 8, 2000).

It was definitely significant that Trump was actually elected President, but the sociopolitical climate was building up to this polarized, rancid point for several years this decade.

There have been plenty of other terrorist attacks at public events earlier this decade. This type of thing was a frequent fear in the 90s and 2000s, as well. Focusing specifically on the 2010s, there was already the Boston Marathon Bombing in 2013 and the Paris Bombing of 2015, for example. Tragedies at music concerts aren't unheard of either, from Dimebag Darrell, to Christina Grimmie, to Great White, to Woodstock '99.

Chopping and screwing has been a trend since the mid 2000s. will.i.am-produced songs, for example, used this effect quite a bit during the late 2000s and early 2010s.

We don't know for certain yet what distinguishes Generation Z from millennials. Right now, high schoolers culturally blend with collegiate and post-collegiate people.

They've been famous since 2014.

So far, this seems like the only really distinguishably late 2010s singer so far, but I'm not confident how much he represents Gen-Z.

She tries to represent the millennial generation more than anything else.

So far, he still looks more like Aaron Carter and Cody Simpson than Michael Jackson.

So far, she's known for sampling songs from 1999, an early millennial year for popular culture.

Maybe uptempo EDM, but not the slower, "Shape of You,", "Work," etc. brand.

They're still dominant. Same with MCU binge-watch-ready series.


the chopping and screwing of choruses is becoming a big trend this year tho, almost every song I hear has that effect.
It may have been invented way back, but 2016/2017 is when I noticed it was a big trend.

Noah Cyrus is a female ;D. She's the younger and only biological sister of Miley Cyrus. Also, Noah Cyrus is only 17 years old (she was born January 8, 2000).


Same celebrity status, though, as much as I can't get used to Noah also turning out to be a girl's name in some cases. She can't even reach Ashlee Simpson or Solange Knowles levels of success.

Same celebrity status, though, as much as I can't get used to Noah also turning out to be a girl's name in some cases. She can't even reach Ashlee Simpson or Solange Knowles levels of success.

I'm not debating whether she will reach that status....I was just correcting you ;D.

This all feels like a continuation of 2013.

This all feels like a continuation of 2013.


For me it feels like where at the last grasp of mid 2010s culture that started from 2013.
You can really feel it. It is not 100% the last grasp but you can get a good idea things are ending.

For me it feels like where at the last grasp of mid 2010s culture that started from 2013.
You can really feel it. It is not 100% the last grasp but you can get a good idea things are ending.


2008 was when the flame was a spark, 2013 is when there was a small fire, 2015 is when the fire turned medium, later on we will see a huge fire.

I agree actually! Not necessarily with all your points but I do think we are coming to the end of the mid 10's. I was just listening to music from 2008 to 2016 the other and remembering the vibes of those years (even though the 2013 to 2016 are like yesterday) and feeling that 2017 does feel different even though pretty much nothing has changed in my personal life since 2014. I think it's very possible that we will see a new overall pop cultural atmosphere coming to fruition by the end of the year. It really does feel like the last gasp of the mid 2010's

Yeah I agree. 2016 is also part of the late 2010s if you ask me. We've been in the era for about a year now. We will probably have a little more than one year left of this era, and then we will move on to the early '20s in late 2018. Yeah things are a little different since 2015. I would probably say 2014 and 2012 were a little more distant to each other, but even they weren't that far apart from each other. This entire decade has been very consistent!

Chopping and screwing has been a trend since the mid 2000s. will.i.am-produced songs, for example, used this effect quite a bit during the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Incorrect. It was not constantly on the radio like it is today. I can name 10 songs with this effect in this past year, you couldn't do that in the 2000s. It is a distinct "screwy" effect, as the OP pointed out. Nothing like I ever heard before. Like in Selena Gomez and Kygo's "It Ain't Me". Music has been changing quite a bit this past year.


They've been famous since 2014.

They have not been famous since 2014. One popular song does not warrant "fame". They started getting big last year. You only heard one hit from them in 2014, and about 10 hits from them in 2016-2017.


2008 was when the flame was a spark, 2013 is when there was a small fire, 2015 is when the fire turned medium, later on we will see a huge fire.

2008 was like a huge fire, 2013 was like a very small fire, 2015/2016 was like a small spark, then later probably another huge fire.  ;D


It really does feel like the last gasp of the mid 2010's

Yup we still have a couple mid 2010s holdovers that may actually stick around until the end of the decade (hopefully sooner so we can see real change). Just like some early 2010s holdovers have still stuck around now.

Yeah I agree. 2016 is also part of the late 2010s if you ask me. We've been in the era for about a year now. We will probably have a little more than one year left of this era, and then we will move on to the early '20s in late 2018. Yeah things are a little different since 2015. I would probably say 2014 and 2012 were a little more distant to each other, but even they weren't that far apart from each other. This entire decade has been very consistent!


agree with pretty much everything you said, however Ill put late 2016 as the part of the 2010s that started the change. I will also say 2017 will be the last year did have any feel of the mid 2010s. I would say we are going to look back on early May 2017 as the last month of the 2010s that had any kind of mid 10s vibe. 2014 & 2012 feel like different worlds.


You can feel right now change is in the air, the current crop of artists catering to GEN Z are taking over the gen y artists. Lady Gaga, Taylor yet while still popular their popularity
has waned alot. More people are excited about Camilla Cabello than KAty Perry/

I would agree completely.  However, the change occurred after we crossed into 2017.  ALL of 2016 was still predominantly mid-10s, despite the drama surrounding the 2016 election.  2016 was in many ways the last hurrah of what I will call the Obama era.  That general culture, though there was differences between the early '10s and mid '10s, lasted roughly from 2009 through the very beginning of 2017.

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion), we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade), SJW culture, hipsters, etc.  It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion),

How would you say music is any different now compared to last year or even 2015? Harry Styles is really the only distinguishing factor thus far as I've seen it.

we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade)

What do you feel has replaced them? It seems to me like 2017's movie climate is just more classic 2010s. The biggest hits we've had so far are Guardians Vol. 2 (MCU sequel to an iconic mid-2010s blockbuster), Logan (superhero flick), the live action Beauty and the Beast (another entry in the live action Disney/fantasy blockbuster craze that started with Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland), and the Lego Batman Movie (a sort of sequel to one of the biggest movies of 2014).

SJW culture, hipsters, etc.

Probably it's much harder for you to see these where you live right now. To my experience in a large city, SJW is still as fervent as ever and fashion is still very nu-male/hipster/tattoo-rebel.

It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I'm confident you'll be fine once you finally get the chance to escape your hellhole of a hometown, regardless of all the damage Trump and Pence allow to transpire. Just give it time, and you'll find plenty of folks who will give you sanctuary.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.


The "Carter" era as you described it started more in 1975 though, in the midst of the Ford administration. I think similarly the dour social climate we're in now was already pretty heavily established in 2015, but has just manifested itself more concretely by now.

I would agree completely.  However, the change occurred after we crossed into 2017.  ALL of 2016 was still predominantly mid-10s, despite the drama surrounding the 2016 election.  2016 was in many ways the last hurrah of what I will call the Obama era.  That general culture, though there was differences between the early '10s and mid '10s, lasted roughly from 2009 through the very beginning of 2017.

In addition to music changing (and becoming better again in my opinion), we are seeing fatigue with many of the culture trends that defined most of the '10s, such as dystopian young-adult fiction movies, the Marvel Cinematic Universe (still popular but it doesn't seem as dominant as it has been over the course of much of this decade), SJW culture, hipsters, etc.  It also seems like we are seeing the last hurrah of many of the teen fashion brands that defined the '00s.  Stores like A&F, Aeropostale, American Eagle, etc are all in bad shape and many of their ilk have already folded.  We are in a reactionary culture that is a backlash against what most of this decade has been so far.  I think by the time we get to 2020, we will look back on the Obama era very fondly and it will seem like a carefree time, despite the fact that the second half of it really wasn't.  In reality, it seems like the world of my young adulthood is fading away.  I really wish my parents hadn't manipulated me to move back to this conservative town to do ex-gay conversion therapy and I actually could have enjoyed the mid '10s.  It was an individualistic time and a great time to experiment.

I am predicting late '10s culture will last from 2017 through 2020 or 2021.  It's neither core '10s nor '20s.  In many ways, I think it might be compared to the Carter '70s.  The Carter '70s were quite different from most of the decade.  Disco was popular, gender norms were becoming blurred, and the national mood was very pessimistic and tense.  I think we are heading now in the beginning of another such period.

I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.

I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


What's better now than the 2010s? How exactly has music improved?
I think early 10s music was a lot better than we have now.

The early 10s had people like Lady Gaga, Adele, Katy Perry and Ke$ha. I prefer that to now.

How? Those are horrible artists with awful songs... Kesha??? She's like one of the worst. She seems like she makes noise in her songs and is an awful singer. The only one that is good is Adele but she was an exception, most of the other music was really bad.

How? Those are horrible artists with awful songs... Kesha??? She's like one of the worst. She just makes noise in her songs. The only one that is good is Adele but she was an exception, most of the other music was really bad.


They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

Yeah but for me, I dont like music without meaning. Dancing to a song with bad lyrics and no good meaning is not nice to me. Having said that, if I were to dance to a song, the beats of the songs by Kesha honestly didn't appeal to me. I'd rather dance to Chainsmoker's Selfie because it has a dope beat. Kesha and other artist's production in the early '10s did not have a style that I even liked dancing to, something about it felt forced, overproduced, and artificial.

I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.

I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.

Fair enough. I guess I'm just into less upbeat songs. Many of them sound overproduced to me.

They were songs you could dance and sing along to. I'm not saying they were the best in the world but far better than now. Now I don't know any songs I can sing along to.

I would never like singing along to those songs.  8-P Even crap from Fifth Harmony is more listenable and easier to sing along to than Kesha and early Lady Gaga, and that's saying a lot! lol

Yeah but for me, I dont like music without meaning. Dancing to a song with bad lyrics and no good meaning is not nice to me. Having said that, if I were to dance to a song, the beats of the songs by Kesha honestly didn't appeal to me. I'd rather dance to Chainsmoker's Selfie because it has a dope beat. Kesha and other artist's production in the early '10s did not have a style that I even liked dancing to, something about it felt forced, overproduced, and artificial.


How do the Chainsmokers songs have meaning? late 2008-2012 had the best songs of the "10s".
The rest of the decade is a giant bland bore where nothing stands out. Everything's too chopped up and downbeat. No energy.

How do the Chainsmokers songs have meaning? late 2008-2012 had the best songs of the "10s".
The rest of the decade is a giant bland bore where nothing stands out. Everything's too chopped up and downbeat. No energy.

I never said they had meaning. I said I would rather dance to it than the sound of the early '10s which is much more inferior. Chainsmokers have way better beats. Although even the Chainsmokers have slightly better lyrical content these days than the stuff from the early '10s.

The mid part of the decade on the whole had a lot more meaningful songs on the charts. And it had a lot more catchier songs on the charts. The early '10s were the worst of the worst, meaningless and not very catchy, just annoying and all the songs sounded the same.

2008-2012 had the WORST songs in history. It was absolutely the worst time for music by far. 2000s were better, and mid 2010s were better and all other periods were better. I am so glad we are past that era in music.  8-P Why do you like Kesha's music so much? I know I'm not the only one who complained about her and thought her music was garbage. Same as early Lady Gaga. I can't even dance to those songs. Now Lady Gaga is releasing songs like "A Million Reasons" which ain't that bad!

I'd take 2008 or 2009 songs over anything now. What's so meaningful about the mid 10s? I think 2008-2011 Gaga was her absolute peak. I also like her songs with Tony Bennett but that's besides the point. 

I'd take 2008 or 2009 songs over anything now. What's so meaningful about the mid 10s?

It's a lot more real and raw to me, and this is partly thanks to the hipster movement. It brought a lot of songs that got popular for more real content and talking about real issues like from artists like Lorde, Macklemore, Meghan Trainor, and more. Not all of the songs were meaningful because mainstream music is never the best. But even poppy stuff like from Taylor Swift, as annoying as her songs were at least she wasn't singing about sexual stuff and partying like the content was in the early 2010s for the most part. It was a lot more listenable. Also the underground movement prospered also thanks to the hipster movement, The party songs and dubstep from the early 2010s made my ears bleed. It felt so fake and forced. The only thing from the mid 2010s I wasn't totally into was Trap, but at least it was mixed with other genres so it made music more diverse rather than 90% of the songs being electropop from the early part of the decade.

By the way, you are not alone on this forum for liking early 2010s music. I think the only other person on here who likes mid 2010s music is Slowpoke, but he also like early 2010s music. So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.

Speaking of music, in my opinion Uptown Funk is the best mainstream song of this decade!

So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.


I hate Early 2010s music as well, however I also equally hate Mid 2010s music.

I think the changes started in 2016 because the music changed slightly and Brexit happened

Music is NOT better now that in the mid '10s... It's much worse, in 2016 we had some of the worst songs and they came from Ariana Grande. And now music has not changed that much from last year and we have very bad trap songs. Only a couple songs on the radio are tolerable. Most are really bad to my ears. It is however, much better than early 2010s music. The early 2010s (2010 - 2012) had the worst music in history in my opinion.


I honestly think Ariana had one of the best  chart-topping pop songs of 2016 1ekZEVeXwek

It's a lot more real and raw to me, and this is partly thanks to the hipster movement. It brought a lot of songs that got popular for more real content and talking about real issues like from artists like Lorde, Macklemore, Meghan Trainor, and more. Not all of the songs were meaningful because mainstream music is never the best. But even poppy stuff like from Taylor Swift, as annoying as her songs were at least she wasn't singing about sexual stuff and partying like the content was in the early 2010s for the most part. It was a lot more listenable. Also the underground movement prospered also thanks to the hipster movement, The party songs and dubstep from the early 2010s made my ears bleed. It felt so fake and forced. The only thing from the mid 2010s I wasn't totally into was Trap, but at least it was mixed with other genres so it made music more diverse rather than 90% of the songs being electropop from the early part of the decade.

By the way, you are not alone on this forum for liking early 2010s music. I think the only other person on here who likes mid 2010s music is Slowpoke, but he also like early 2010s music. So I'm probably the only one on this forum who hate early 2010s music haha.


Songs from them are good but when I listen to the radio, all I hear is very slow choppy EDM or trap music. They try to play the same songs over and over and over too. Almost all of these songs seem to blur together to me.

I think you and me just don't agree on music.  2009-2012 had the best music of my life in my opinion.  2013 and 2014 had the worst.  2015 was a little better.  2016 was quite "bleh" but it did have its bright spots.  So far, I have liked the music of 2017 better than any year since 2012.  I don't like Ariana Grande, but I've really liked quite a bit of the stuff that's come out this year.


You skipped over my last post here, so I'll ask again, how is 2017 music any stylistically different from mid-2010s music besides Harry Styles?

I want good songs again like we have in the 70s and 80s.

I want good songs again like we have in the 70s and 80s.


Not all of what came out in that time period was great. If I hear one more Foreigner song (besides "Long, Long Way From Home"), I will punch through a wall. A good amount of the disco was redundant and dull (though I can respect anything The Bee Gees put out), some of the "classic" radio rock are ruined by overplay, etc.
I think the mid-late 80s through late 90s, and mid 60s through early-mid 70s, were the two main golden eras for music. I'm talking Nirvana, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden... The Who, Pink Floyd and The Beatles. The late 70s was dragged down by the disco craze and crappy radio rock (ala Foreigner, Bad Company and Toto's Hold The Line, with Toto's Africa ironically being one of the finest rock tunes to come out of the 80s). 

Not all of what came out in that time period was great. If I hear one more Foreigner song (besides "Long, Long Way From Home"), I will punch through a wall. A good amount of the disco was redundant and dull (though I can respect anything The Bee Gees put out), some of the "classic" radio rock are ruined by overplay, etc.
I think the mid-late 80s through late 90s, and mid 60s through early-mid 70s, were the two main golden eras for music. I'm talking Nirvana, Alice In Chains and Soundgarden... The Who, Pink Floyd and The Beatles. The late 70s was dragged down by the disco craze and crappy radio rock (ala Foreigner, Bad Company and Toto's Hold The Line, with Toto's Africa ironically being one of the finest rock tunes to come out of the 80s).


Those periods of music you mention are also great. I'd like to say I'd take the Bee Gees all day over anything on the radio now. I'd also take Foreigner over today's music.

You skipped over my last post here, so I'll ask again, how is 2017 music any stylistically different from mid-2010s music besides Harry Styles?

I already explained this. Dancehall, this style of EDM with chopped chorus effects, new artists from this year, all didn't exist in mainstream music in 2015 and they are popular now and in 2016. It is slightly different, all you have to do is listen to the Billboard hot 100 now and compare it to 2015 to see the difference. Songs sound slightly more futuristic. Not a major difference but still noticeable. The Chainsmokers did not make their big breakthrough in 2014, they did last year as they had 10 hits and a song that was number one for over 10 weeks. As I said before, the only thing that truly stayed the same is Trap.

I can go further than this. The number one song on the chart right now is a Spanish song and there hasn't even been a Spanish song in the top 10 in over 20 years since the Macarena. Then we have more R&B from DJ Khaled and his features, I wouldn't hear "I'm The One" anywhere in 2015 and it's like the number 3 song. Then there is Kendrick Lamar who is drifting the style away from trap. At most I see a lot more variety im the charts now.

I already explained this. Dancehall, this style of EDM with chopped chorus effects, new artists from this year, all didn't exist in mainstream music in 2015 and they are popular now and in 2016. It is slightly different, all you have to do is listen to the Billboard hot 100 now and compare it to 2015 to see the difference. Songs sound slightly more futuristic. Not a major difference but still noticeable. The Chainsmokers did not make their big breakthrough in 2014, they did last year as they had 10 hits and a song that was number one for over 10 weeks. As I said before, the only thing that truly stayed the same is Trap.

I was referring to bchris02, not you. But I still disagree with your points. Chopping and screwing is not at all a new phenomenon, just as autotune was nothing groundbreaking when it was used in Chris Brown's "Forever" in 2008. Also, the number of new artists is relatively miniscule this year compared to others. Besides Machine Gun Kelly and Camila Cabello, who bring little new to music, and Harry Styles, who is fresher but already garnered fame as part of One Direction, it's still mostly singers from the early and mid-2010s dominating the streaming outlets. The Chainsmokers may have shaken off their one hit wonder title since last year, but even their newer stuff isn't that different from the typical sound of 2015, i.e., "Lean On."

I can go further than this. The number one song on the chart right now is a Spanish song and there hasn't even been a Spanish song in the top 10 in over 20 years since the Macarena.

First off, were you in a coma from 1999 to 2005? Second, Pitbull. Third, late 2014's "Bailando."

Then we have more R&B from DJ Khaled and his features, I wouldn't hear "I'm The One" anywhere in 2015 and it's like the number 3 song. Then there is Kendrick Lamar who is drifting the style away from trap. At most I see a lot more variety im the charts now.


Kendrick isn't any less trap on DAMN. than he was on To Pimp a Butterfly. The mid-2010s had plenty of r&b songs.

I was referring to bchris02, not you. But I still disagree with your points. Chopping and screwing is not at all a new phenomenon, just as autotune was nothing groundbreaking when it was used in Chris Brown's "Forever" in 2008.

It doesn't matter who you are referring to, it is the same explanation. Again, wrong - This EDM style with the chopping was NOT popular in pop songs as it is now. Selena Gomez/Tygo - It ain't Me, Down - Mariam Hill, Kiara - Gold, and more. This EDM effect is popular now, and was NOT popular the same way as it is now in the 2000s. The EDM effect Justin Bieber for example uses was not popular in 2015. Dancehall was definitely NOT popular in 2015. That got popular in 2016 with Drake, Rihanna, Sia, and now Ed Sheeran is using it. And why do you keep bringing Forever up? I brought up the song once months ago and now you keep bringing it up for some reason.... Just move on from that already.

Also, the number of new artists is relatively miniscule this year compared to others. Besides Machine Gun Kelly and Camila Cabello, who bring little new to music, and Harry Styles, who is fresher but already garnered fame as part of One Direction, it's still mostly singers from the early and mid-2010s dominating the streaming outlets. The Chainsmokers may have shaken off their one hit wonder title since last year, but even their newer stuff isn't that different from the typical sound of 2015, i.e., "Lean On."

Lean On was one of the only songs that had the EDM sound in 2015. Songs were not mostly EDM in 2015, and in 2016-2017 they are. Those new artists you mentioned are pretty groundbreaking but you forgot Noah Cyrus, Julia Michaels, Alessia Cara, and MORE.


First off, were you in a coma from 1999 to 2005? Second, Pitbull. Third, late 2014's "Bailando."

Look it up if you don't believe me... There hasn't been a top 10 song in Spanish since the '90s... Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1? And the other song? Please read what I wrote. I didn't say "no spanish song in the chart" and again, look it up if you don't believe me. Why are you saying I was in a coma and bringing up something that has NOTHING to do with what I said? There was not ONE Spanish song in the top 10 (let alone top 1) since the Macarena in the 1990s, and that's a fact that YOU CAN LOOK UP.

Kendrick isn't any less trap on DAMN. than he was on To Pimp a Butterfly. The mid-2010s had plenty of r&b songs.

we are taling about popular music... Kendrick Lamar wasn't as popular in the mid '10s as he is now on the charts. And he isn't trap... Humble is almost the opposite of trap. The mid 2010s did not have plenty of R&B besides the Weeknd which he only got really popular in 2015... Now he's everywhere along with Dj Khaled.

I am not sure why it is hard for you to accept that music has changed slightly. The evidence is right in front of you and really we don't need to explain it when you can turn on the radio and hear the music for yourself.

It doesn't matter who you are referring to, it is the same explanation.

I just wanted bchris02's perspective over the matter in particular. His reasoning is likely different than yours.

Again, wrong - This EDM style with the chopping was NOT popular in pop songs as it is now. Selena Gomez/Tygo - It ain't Me, Down - Mariam Hill, Kiara - Gold, and more. This EDM effect is popular now, and was NOT popular the same way as it is now in the 2000s.

Here's the Wikipedia article about chopped and screwed. It doesn't even mention the trend's popularity in the 2010s. Slowing down vocals has been used in a lot of pop songs for years now, i.e. "Scream and Shout" in 2012.

Dancehall was definitely NOT popular in 2015. That got popular in 2016 ewith Sia, Drake, Rihanna, and now Ed Sheeran is using it.

That type of sound was pretty familiar to me in 2016, I don't remember 2015 music really being that different.

And why do you keep bringing Forever up? I brought up the song once months ago and now you keep bringing it up for some reason.... Just move on from that already.

I mention it because your type of argument for chopped and screwed being this revolutionary trend from 2016 is just as biased as your extreme focus on auto-tune blowing up in 2008 and thus launching us into a new era of music.

Lean On was one of the only songs that had the EDM sound in 2015. Songs were not mostly EDM in 2015, and in 2016-2017 they are. Those new artists you mentioned are pretty groundbreaking but you forgot Noah Cyrus, Julia Michaels, Alessia Cara, and MORE.

EDM has been really common for most of this decade now, it's more just that uptempo songs like "Feel So Close" aren't nearly as popular anymore.

Look it up if you don't believe me... There hasn't been a top 10 song in Spanish since the '90s... Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1? Please read what I wrote. I didn't say "no spanish song in the chart" and again, look it up if you don't believe me. Why are you saying I was in a coma and bringing up something that has NOTHING to do with what I said? There was not ONE Spanish song in the top 10 (let alone top 1) since the Macarena in the 1990s, and that's a fact that YOU CAN LOOK UP.

First off, thank you for being so forceful. Secondly, I was referring to the Latin pop craze that started with "Livin' La Vida Loca" in 1999 and continued well into the 2000s, eventually culminating in reggaeton songs like "Oye Mi Canto" and "Gasolina" becoming international hits. I know most of these Spanish-language tracks also have a lot of English lyrics, but guess what? "Macarena," or at least the most famous version of it (the Bayside Boys Remix), also has lots of English lyrics, with only the chorus being sung in Spanish. It's no more "Spanish," in that regard, than "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)," "Bailamos," "Obsession (No Es Amor)," or "Bailando," and the like.

we are taling about popular music... Kendrick Lamar wasn't as popular in the mid '10s as he is now on the charts.

That's not true, he's been one of the most respected rappers since good kid, m.A.A.d. city, and To Pimp a Butterfly was nominated for Album of the Year. Even if we're focusing strictly on hit singles, he was featured on Taylor Swift's #1 hit "Bad Blood" in 2015.

And he isn't trap... Humble is almost the opposite of trap.

"HUMBLE." sounds more like a renaissance of mid-late 2000s crunk music more than anything. "DNA." and "LOYALTY." are still pretty trappy, imo.

The mid 2010s did not have plenty of R&B besides the Weeknd which he only got really popular in 2015... Now he's everywhere along with Dj Khaled.


I rest my case.

Those periods of music you mention are also great. I'd like to say I'd take the Bee Gees all day over anything on the radio now. I'd also take Foreigner over today's music.


I'd probably take Foreigner over today's Top 40 myself, but I got burned out on them long ago. I meant to say that The Bee Gees are one of the few disco acts (besides Donna Summer, if you'd call her disco) that I can actually fully enjoy the same way I enjoy The Who or Alice In Chains.

Here's the Wikipedia article about chopped and screwed. It doesn't even mention the trend's popularity in the 2010s. Slowing down vocals has been used in a lot of pop songs for years now, i.e. "Scream and Shout" in 2012.

Wait, what? You and I are on totally different wavelengths and you are talking about something completely than what I'm talking about. Do you even know the effect on song choruses I am talking about? It doesn't even exist in Scream and Shout in 2012... What does Scream and Shout have anything to do with it? It doesn't exist in any popular song before 2016.... Here are videos to show you the effect I am talking about because I don't think you understand the effect I am talking about. I am talking about the noise in song choruses that get chopped up and mix around, this doesn't exist in Scream and Shout or songs from before... It IS a new phenomenon. Here are the songs, jump to the choruses... This is a new sound. It ONLY started in 2016-2017, this entire EDM sounds is unique to 2016-2017. You cannot tell me you heard this same style of music from a long time ago... Even if you did, they were not high in the charts and in the top 20 like these songs were (and more others).


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EDM has been really common for most of this decade now, it's more just that uptempo songs like "Feel So Close" aren't nearly as popular anymore.

There are different kinds of EDM and the EDM you hear now was not popular in the mid 2010s... You barely heard it anywhere because people got tired of the electropop era. Electropop and EDM are different. In 2013-2015, besides a couple electronic songs, the songs were mainly throwbacks, balads, or teen pop, certainly not the same style of music in 2016. In fact, I distinctly remember a bunch of people on this forum saying how music in 2016 has changed a bit last year. It has changed slightly, not drastically but certainly enough to place it outside of the mid 2010s. And as I mentioned, all mid 2010s music trends have not gone yet. Trap is still huge and that was popular since 2014.


First off, thank you for being so forceful. Secondly, I was referring to the Latin pop craze that started with "Livin' La Vida Loca" in 1999 and continued well into the 2000s, eventually culminating in reggaeton songs like "Oye Mi Canto" and "Gasolina" becoming international hits. I know most of these Spanish-language tracks also have a lot of English lyrics, but guess what? "Macarena," or at least the most famous version of it (the Bayside Boys Remix), also has lots of English lyrics, with only the chorus being sung in Spanish. It's no more "Spanish," in that regard, than "I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho)," "Bailamos," "Obsession (No Es Amor)," or "Bailando," and the like.

Okay I think it is still pretty significant to have a number one song in all Spanish..



That's not true, he's been one of the most respected rappers since good kid, m.A.A.d. city, and To Pimp a Butterfly was nominated for Album of the Year. Even if we're focusing strictly on hit singles, he was featured on Taylor Swift's #1 hit "Bad Blood" in 2015.

It is true, He himself has not had a number one hit before humble. He was not constantly on the charts in 2015. The fact that a non-trap song went number one is HUGE.


So hopefully this convinced you that music now is different from the mid 2010s.

Infinity take a look at these two videos and compare the top songs from 2014 and 2016. Keep in mind when the year end chart comes from 2017, it will sound even more different because we already have songs now in the charts that are different. Can't you notice the clear difference between the two? This is what I'm saying about 2016-2017 music being different from mid 2010s music.
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#Infinity....all I can say as I am liking a lot more of what is on the radio this year compared to 2013-2014 and to a lesser extent 2015-15.  I can't put a finger on exactly what has changed, much like I couldn't put a finger on how mid '10s EDM teen pop was different from electropop until you explained it (hooks and production techniques), but something is different about the sound of much of what is coming out recently.

Music hit rock bottom in 2013 and 2014 and has been slowly improving over the past two years.  It's picked up steam this year in my opinion.


Probably it's much harder for you to see these where you live right now. To my experience in a large city, SJW is still as fervent as ever and fashion is still very nu-male/hipster/tattoo-rebel.

I'm confident you'll be fine once you finally get the chance to escape your hellhole of a hometown, regardless of all the damage Trump and Pence allow to transpire. Just give it time, and you'll find plenty of folks who will give you sanctuary.

This is probably true.  Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative, I am probably experiencing the worst of the cultural and political tension that the '10s has to offer.  There isn't much other than anger here.  People need to chill out.

Hopefully things unfold so that I can move in 2020.  With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020.


The "Carter" era as you described it started more in 1975 though, in the midst of the Ford administration. I think similarly the dour social climate we're in now was already pretty heavily established in 2015, but has just manifested itself more concretely by now.


Interesting.  The '70s was definitely a split decade, but I wasn't alive then so I don't know exactly where that split happened.  The first half of the '70s was a continuation of the late '60s.  The second half was its own era that wasn't early '70s nor was it '80s.

It is basically the same horrible politically dominated junk that we've had since around 2014. It's actually just even worse now with the idiot jerk Trump in there. The ugly politics seems to end up in every discussion and insults are always flying, until this changes it will suck.

It is basically the same horrible politically dominated junk that we've had since around 2014. It's actually just even worse now with the idiot jerk Trump in there. The ugly politics seems to end up in every discussion and insults are always flying, until this changes it will suck.

BTW, where in Ohio are you from? (you can give the region of Ohio or the actual town/city)

BTW, where in Ohio are you from? (you can give the region of Ohio or the actual town/city)


I'm in the Columbus area now but grew up in Cleveland.

I'm in the Columbus area now but grew up in Cleveland.

OK cool. I know this is a side note but what are your sports allegiances? (if you have any). Since you live around Columbus but grew up in Cleveland, it would be interesting to here.

OK cool. I know this is a side note but what are your sports allegiances? (if you have any). Since you live around Columbus but grew up in Cleveland, it would be interesting to here.


All Cleveland of course. The Browns are a lost cause, but if one day they started winning I'd be happy.  ;D Columbus only has hockey and soccer professional anyway. I like Buckeyes college football too though you could say they represent all of Ohio really.

All Cleveland of course. The Browns are a lost cause, but if one day they started winning I'd be happy.  ;D Columbus only has hockey and soccer professional anyway. I like Buckeyes college football too though you could say they represent all of Ohio really.

OK ;D. The Browns really are a lost cause (my favorite NFL team has been to 3 Super Bowls in my lifetime and have won 2). How'd you feel about the 2016 World Series? :-X

OK ;D. The Browns really are a lost cause (my favorite NFL team has been to 3 Super Bowls in my lifetime and have won 2). How'd you feel about the 2016 World Series? :-X


That was very heartbreaking. I really thought the Indians were going to win last year but sadly choked in the end. I guess at least the Cubs hadn't won since 1908, but still they're in Chicago and Chicago as a city has plenty of championships. The Cavs did win last year though at least.

That was very heartbreaking. I really thought the Indians were going to win last year but sadly choked in the end. I guess at least the Cubs hadn't won since 1908, but still they're in Chicago and Chicago as a city has plenty of championships. The Cavs did win last year though at least.

I actually agree with you (I was rooting for the Indians ;D) and congrats to the Cavs. If only the Knicks can end their 44 year championship drought soon and the Rangers can end their 23 year championship drought next year :(.

I actually agree with you (I was rooting for the Indians ;D) and congrats to the Cavs. If only the Knicks can end their 44 year championship drought soon and the Rangers can end their 23 year championship drought next year :(.


Yeah the Cavs championship was the one great thing that happened last year. Yeah it's strange how much the Knicks have struggled especially considering they're from New York.

Yeah the Cavs championship was the one great thing that happened last year. Yeah it's strange how much the Knicks have struggled especially considering they're from New York.

The Knicks have sucked essentially since my birth. The last time the Knicks made it to the Finals was in 1999 (they faced the Spurs and that Finals ended just 2 weeks before I was born). The 1990s was the last time the Knicks were good consistently, the 2000s were a horrible decade for the Knicks (I remember those dark days well). Only 1 winning season in the last 16 years for the Knicks...just sad.

Why you mentioning Pitbull's song if it never reached top 10? Let alone top 1?


What!? Do you live on Mars!? Pitbull has had tons of number 1 hits! Look at the charts and see for yourself. Even if some aren't at the #1 spot, the rest are all in the top 10; he's probably the biggest artist of the 2010's. He's basically brought Spanish music back to the mainstream after a long drought from the public, too. Many accomplishments that man has made.

What!? Do you live on Mars!? Pitbull has had tons of number 1 hits! Look at the charts and see for yourself. Even if some aren't at the #1 spot, the rest are all in the top 10; he's probably the biggest artist of the 2010's. He's basically brought Spanish music back to the mainstream after a long drought from the public, too. Many accomplishments that man has made.

We're talking about Spanish songs (songs in the language of Spanish). I read and there hasn't been a Spanish song in the top 10 on Billboard in 20 years. I am not making this up, look it up if you don't believe me.

We're talking about Spanish songs (songs in the language of Spanish). I read and there hasn't been a Spanish song in the top 10 on Billboard in 20 years. I am not making this up, look it up if you don't believe me.


Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?

Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?

None of his Spanish hits have made the Billboard Top 10.

None of his Spanish hits have made the Billboard Top 10.


But they have.

But they have.

No they haven't. The last Spanish song to reach the Billboard top 10 was the Macarena in 1996. As I said, just look it up. A simple search through the history of billboard chart will show you...

No they haven't. The last Spanish song to reach the Billboard top 10 was the Macarena in 1996. As I said, just look it up. A simple search through the history of billboard chart will show you...


I did do a search and the answers I've found are the same answers I've given you.

Then why does Pitbull have a ton of huge Spanish hits?


I'm sure he's talking about the Billboard Charts on planet Earth, or at least the U.S.  :-X

I'm sure he's talking about the Billboard Charts on planet Earth, or at least the U.S.  :-X


Yes, those are the charts I'm talking about too. I dunno why you continue to deny Pitbull's influence. ::)

I did do a search and the answers I've found are the same answers I've given you.

Incorrect. There hasn't been a Spanish top 10 song. Pitbull's hits that were in Spanish may have made it to top 20, not top 10.

Incorrect. There hasn't been a Spanish top 10 song. Pitbull's hits that were in Spanish may have made it to top 20, not top 10.


I guess this song did not hit #2 in 2009 then...

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I guess this song did not hit #2 in 2009 then...

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This is an ENGLISH song. I am talking about songs in Spanish only. What's so hard to understand about that? Look it up. There are no pure Spanish songs in top 10 ever since 1996. Why would I care to lie about this? I heard about this fact a couple weeks ago in an article and I can't find it now.

Yes, those are the charts I'm talking about too. I dunno why you continue to deny Pitbull's influence. ::)


Americans only speak in American. No way there was any Spanish song in the top 10. Which song are you talking about?

This is an ENGLISH song. I am talking about songs in Spanish only. What's so hard to understand about that? Look it up. There are no pure Spanish songs in top 10 ever since 1996.


Yes. So these lyrics are all in english.

"One-two-three-four
Uno-do'-tres-cuatro

Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)
Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)

Sí es verdad que tú eres guapa
Yo te voy a poner gozar
Tú tiene la boca grande
Vale ponte a jugar (¿cómo?)"


Americans only speak in American. No way there was any Spanish song in the top 10. Which song are you talking about?


I Know You Want Me was a big Spanish hit. Pitbull has made it once again acceptable for Americans to attempt Spanish. Did you know the rate of Spanish speakers in America has gone up? Why? Because of Pitbull's influence.

Yes. So these lyrics are all in english.

"One-two-three-four
Uno-do'-tres-cuatro

Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)
Rumba (sí)
Ella quiere su rumba (¿cómo?)

Sí es verdad que tú eres guapa
Yo te voy a poner gozar
Tú tiene la boca grande
Vale ponte a jugar (¿cómo?)"

The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...

So far 2017 feels almost exactly like 2016. But that's just my opinion.

So far 2017 feels almost exactly like 2016. But that's just my opinion.

It feels pretty much the same as 2016 to me too, at least culturally.

The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...


Let's check out some of the lyrics to "Macarena," then.

I am not trying to seduce you.

When I dance they call me Macarena
And the boys they say que soy buena
They all want me, they can't have me
So they all come and dance beside me

Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena
Que tu cuerpo es pa' darle alegria cosa buena
Dale a tu cuerpo alegria, Macarena
Hey Macarena

Now don't you worry about my boyfriend
The boy whose name is Vitorino
I don't want him, can't stand him
He was no good so I... ha ha ha ha

Now come on, what was I supposed to do?
He was out of town and his two friends were so fine

Come and find me, my name is Macarena
Always at the party con las chicas que son buena
Come join me, dance with me
And all you fellows chant along with me

Aside from the repeated chorus and a few clauses during the verses, "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is entirely in English. If you exclude repeated words, it's clearly majority English and minority Spanish.

Let's check out some of the lyrics to "Macarena," then.

I am not trying to seduce you.

When I dance they call me Macarena
And the boys they say que soy buena
They all want me, they can't have me
So they all come and dance beside me

Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena
Que tu cuerpo es pa' darle alegria cosa buena
Dale a tu cuerpo alegria, Macarena
Hey Macarena

Now don't you worry about my boyfriend
The boy whose name is Vitorino
I don't want him, can't stand him
He was no good so I... ha ha ha ha

Now come on, what was I supposed to do?
He was out of town and his two friends were so fine

Come and find me, my name is Macarena
Always at the party con las chicas que son buena
Come join me, dance with me
And all you fellows chant along with me

Aside from the repeated chorus and a few clauses during the verses, "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is entirely in English.

Okay then explain this....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one

"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Are you still gonna claim I'm wrong now???

The song is 50% English, it is NOT a Spanish song...


So because it's 50% English, that disqualifies it as a Spanish song? Do the Spanish lyrics cease to exist because of a few English lines?

So because it's 50% English, that disqualifies it as a Spanish song? Do the Spanish lyrics cease to exist because of a few English lines?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one
"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Okay then explain this....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito

"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"

Are you still gonna claim I'm wrong now???


Yes because I just literally proved "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is more English than Spanish. Wikipedia summaries are often subjective, but even so, it's only referring to songs that topped the Hot 100, regardless of whether or not they were still big hits in the United States.

Yes because I just literally proved "Macarena (Bayside Boys Remix)" is more English than Spanish. Wikipedia summaries are often subjective.

Did you see my second non-Wikipedia article?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one

It says "The song is the first mostly Spanish-language No. 1 since "Macarena" in 1996 & makes Bieber the first artist ever to earn new No. 1s in back-to-back weeks."

This is what I've been saying since the start. Like I said, I didn't make it up.

Did you see my second non-Wikipedia article?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one


It's only "primarily" Spanish if you count every repeat of the chorus as part of the Spanish percentage. If you only count the chorus once, it's majority English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despacito
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7793159/luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-despacito-justin-bieber-number-one
"It became the first song primarily in Spanish to top the Billboard Hot 100 since "Macarena" (Bayside Boys Mix) in 1996"


Pitbull's song has enough Spanish lyrics for it to be considered a Spanish song. It's main theme is that of Spanish culture and you can tell just by looking at the title and listening to the beat he uses. It is a Spanish song in sound and lyrics.

It's only "primarily" Spanish if you count every repeat of the chorus as part of the Spanish percentage. If you only count the chorus once, it's majority English.

Well I don't know what to say to this because I simply made my comment because I read it from an article and that's where I got it from. The specifics of what they are talking about wasn't a concern to me. The point of the matter is, it is a significant trend for a change in music.

Well I don't know what to say to this because I simply made my comment because I read it from an article and that's where I got it from. The specifics of what they are talking about wasn't a concern to me. The point of the matter is, it is a significant trend for a change in music.


It could be just as big of a go-nowhere novelty as "Macarena" was in 1996. It's still too early to declare "Despacito" the next "Livin' La Vida Loca."

I Know You Want Me was a big Spanish hit. Pitbull has made it once again acceptable for Americans to attempt Spanish. Did you know the rate of Spanish speakers in America has gone up? Why? Because of Pitbull's influence.


That's not Spanish. That's a communist Cuban song sitting on the AMERICAN charts. No wonder Trump won.

I love The Ketchup Song

2010-2013 is the only part of the 2010s that feels different from the rest of the 2010s. Everything after that is the same black hole of misery.

It's English, because my 7 year old self just heard, "Hey Macarena, Macarena, Macarena, come on hey, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander, Salamander.
Come play, Macarena, Macarena, Macarena. Hey, Macarena! Ite!!!

Hey, Macarena, Macarena, Macarena, sashay, Philandererer, Philandererer, Philandererer, Philandererer.....

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It feels pretty much the same as 2016 to me too, at least culturally.


Maybe 2018 will be a shift, a la 2008. :(  :(

2010-2013 is the only part of the 2010s that feels different from the rest of the 2010s. Everything after that is the same black hole of misery.


2012 was I thought when the shift started, and by 2014 it came full force on us.

That's not Spanish. That's a communist Cuban song sitting on the AMERICAN charts. No wonder Trump won.

I love The Ketchup Song


How dare you speak ill of Cuba! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)

"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while.

Well, the user who published those comments is bchris02 and he lives in Missouri....rural Missouri. So you if you want to live in rural Missouri....go right ahead.

I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.

I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.

Yes sir. I could never live in a rural area (for many reasons). BTW, if you don't mind, where in Missouri do you live? (you can give the nearest town/city, the county, or actual place)

I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.


Let's do this. It will be like House Swap except it's permanent and you don't have to hug.

I'm not American but I wear red, white and blue pretty often. I love France!


Yes sir. I could never live in a rural area (for many reasons). BTW, if you don't mind, where in Missouri do you live? (you can give the nearest town/city, the county, or actual place)


He lives in Oklahoma iirc.

I wouldn't want to live in a rural area either. No offence to rural people. Right now I live in a suburban area and miss living in the big city as it is.

Let's do this. It will be like House Swap except it's permanent and you don't have to hug.

I'm not American but I wear red, white and blue pretty often. I love France!

;D ;D ;D Vous êtes un homme drôle.

As I've said before, 2010-2013 is distant/different from the rest of the 2010s. 2014-now is essentially the same era. There hasn't been a "break" yet as far as I can tell.

2015 to me felt the same as 2016 only 2016 took 2015's worst traits and magnified them.

As I've said before, 2010-2013 is distant/different from the rest of the 2010s. 2014-now is essentially the same era. There hasn't been a "break" yet as far as I can tell.

2015 to me felt the same as 2016 only 2016 took 2015's worst traits and magnified them.


You don't think 2017 is different?

I love Miley Cyrus's new song, 'Malibu'.  8)  8)  8)

I love Miley Cyrus's new song, 'Malibu'.  8)  8)  8)


That and the James Arthur song. I'm officially Gen Z. The Harry Styles song is good too.  :-[

2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.

2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.


Basically everything since the rise of ISIS later in 2014 has been the same.

He lives in Oklahoma iirc.

I wouldn't want to live in a rural area either. No offence to rural people. Right now I live in a suburban area and miss living in the big city as it is.

Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.

2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.



Basically everything since the rise of ISIS later in 2014 has been the same.

I agree with the both of you.

Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.


Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.

Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.

*voted for Trump, lol.

However, it wasn't Oklahoma that won it for Trump....it was Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that won the election for Trump.

*voted for Trump, lol.

However, it wasn't Oklahoma that won it for Trump....it was Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that won the election for Trump.


What I meant with "gave the election to Trump" was that they didn't even need to decide who won for Oklahoma.

Like for example, my state (New Jersey) basically just gave the election to Hillary Clinton.

Oklahoma? I could've sworn that it was Missouri. Oh well....Oklahoma is even more red/Republican/conservative than Missouri.


I think he said he grew up in Missouri.

I could never live in places like that, wow. Thankfully we have the Internet now so you can talk to people from outside your city LOL.

It would be like throwing a house cat into the wild. Nah uh. Rural areas are not for me. Again no offence to people who live in rural areas, just my opinion.  :-X

I think he said he grew up in Missouri.

I could never live in places like that, wow. Thankfully we have the Internet now so you can talk to people from outside your city LOL.

It would be like throwing a house cat into the wild. Nah uh. Rural areas are not for me. Again no offence to people who live in rural areas, just my opinion.  :-X

Same here, I agree 100%.

What I meant with "gave the election to Trump" was that they didn't even need to decide who won for Oklahoma.

Like for example, my state (New Jersey) basically just gave the election to Hillary Clinton.

Oh OK, you meant that they went decisively for Trump....gotcha.

Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.

Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.

I wholeheartedly agree.

It really takes away that excitement. I think eras just start feeling the same as the older you get.

2017 feels the same as 2015 and 2016.


Nooooo!

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Nooooo!

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2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

Switch Switch Bitch
Another one in the basket!
Can't touch this
Sony's in the casket!

2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

Switch Switch Bitch
Another one in the basket!
Can't touch this
Sony's in the casket!


I do see that 2017 is calmer than 2015/2016. But I wonder if you mean Trump when you say the Switch!  ;D

2017 feels a lot calmer than 2015/2016. I think when the Switch came out, everyone decided to chill the f*ck out. I'm glad it's selling well!

 
I wouldn't say so.  This is quite a chaotic time with Trump and everything.

Oklahoma basically gave the election to Trump. Every single county there voted from Trump.


Yeah, Oklahoma is ultra-right wing through and through, and the worst kind at that.  Ultra religious, anti-gay, anti-marijuana legalization, even anti-alcohol.  Oklahoma is the kind of place the movie 'Footloose' was made about.

Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.


I think I could do a rural area in New England or something.  Or a boutique town like Santa Fe, NM or Asheville, NC that is known for being live and let live with strong "hippie" cultures.

The rural South and Midwest, with few exceptions, aren't ideal places to be right now in this political climate.

"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)


Right for trends we are moving back into LOGO mania, like with Gucci coming back, despite not being " in vogue for many years.
The whole Yeezy influence of ultra militarinism is kinda of dying, but you still see some women dress like all the Kardashains with the beige
leggings, brown dad cap etc. The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them. The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs.

"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of dudes with hair in the front, Beatles hair, and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

Back when I was a nerd, I used to wear athletic Champions when everyone was wearing skater shoes, tennis shoes, and trainers, like Nike Air Force 1's.

Now I'M the one donning trainers. How ironic. Little did I know I was ahead of the times back then. I didn't care about fashion. Now that's the thing. God I miss the 00's...

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of kids with hair in the front, 'Beatles hair', and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

I can't wait for a 00's revival in the next decade, just to see Punk and Crunk make a comeback. 90's nostalgia is getting old. It's not even 100% accurate.

The vast majority of trends from that decade are being left out. People are only nostalgic for fashion from the Early 90's. There's no love for 1997 - 2005. Does anyone catch my drift?


Ah yes champions with their Gohsa and Vetements partnership thats what made it really blow up, its so funny how that compant was hated in prior.

 
I wouldn't say so.  This is quite a chaotic time with Trump and everything.


I think both you and Slowpoke are right. It's still chaotic, but I think we've gotten used to it by now. We've gotten used to Trump by now. According to polls, about 40% of the country still approves of Trump. 10-15% out of that won't abandon him unless the economy seriously tanks. I'm pretty sure around 25-30% would stick with him even if he sent Muslims and undocumented Mexicans to die in concentration camps.

While I've swallowed the hard pill of Hillary not being THAT better than Trump (we'd probably be in Syria right now if Hillary won), I just can't understand why anyone could wholeheartedly support Trump. He genuinely seems like a crappy person. He seems completely oblivious, full of nothing but bluster, shallowness, and vanity. He's the first president in my lifetime who doesn't even feel like a real president. He's like an old bumbling jester that became a ruling steward and 60% of the country is waiting for a king (or queen) to show up.

"The whole roshe run fad (that even inspired yeezy boosts) won't go out for awhile, you have companies like Balenciaga and Rick owens making their own versions of them."

You're talking about the running-shoes-as-casual-shoes fad that started in 2012. (Neon athletic shoes and black Nike Free Runs) Yeah, that won't go out of style for a long while. Personally, I think it's lame.

Back when I was a nerd, I used to wear athletic Champions when everyone was wearing skater shoes, tennis shoes, and trainers, like Nike Air Force 1's.

Now I'M the one donning trainers. How ironic. Little did I know I was ahead of the times back then. I didn't care about fashion. Now that's the thing. God I miss the 00's...

"The whole Justin timberlake cut at the sides look is on the way out. In 2017 it is on its last legs."

You're talking about the undercut. You're right about it being on its way out. This year, I'm seeing a lot of kids with hair in the front, 'Beatles hair', and Caesar cuts, instead of gelled up, 1940's hairdos.

I can't wait for a 00's revival in the next decade, just to see Punk and Crunk make a comeback. 90's nostalgia is getting old. It's not even 100% accurate.

The vast majority of trends from that decade are being left out. People are only nostalgic for fashion from the Early 90's. There's no love for 1997 - 2005. Does anyone catch my drift?


I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else.

"I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else."

The Hipster-Yuppie look is still kinda trending in Chicago, but not as much. Mainly in shopping malls & Downtown with the 90's babies and some celebrities. Speaking of celebs, even Bieber is done with the undercut: https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/whitneyjefferson/hey-whats-justin-bieber-been-up-to-in-2017

I see a lot of people where I live no longer having undercuts. It really only seemed to be a 2014-16 trend, and nothing else.


I still have this hairstyle.  However, I do think it's on the decline.  I mostly think it's because it seems to be the hairstyle of the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi movement.  It's caused people to distance themselves from it, much like Justin Bieber killed the scene swoop that dominated men's hairstyles in the late '00s.

I can't believe 5 months of this year has passed.  :P  :P  :o

Undercuts are hot. I don't want them to go away. Damn Nazis!

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I can't believe 5 months of this year has passed.  :P  :P  :o

We're on the 6th month now which means we're almost half way through the year.

We're on the 6th month now which means we're almost half way through the year.

It also means that my birthday is a month away 8).

Rural areas do have their charm. I, for one, enjoy their immersion in Mother Earth and also highly respect their typical strong sense of community and tradition. On the other hand, those places which idolize Trump and Pence and are greatly insincere about their "values"...yeah.


Good point. Having relatives in the South it is heartwarming when you're being served with 'Southern Hospitality'.


I do see that 2017 is calmer than 2015/2016. But I wonder if you mean Trump when you say the Switch!  ;D


I agree that 2017 has been MUCH calmer than 2015/2016. Actually, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that roughly 60% of the country hates (or are indifferent with) Trump. So its very similar to W. Bush's Second Term from a domestic standpoint. While 2015/2016 on the other hand was dealing with the Primaries and 16' election, thus the public (amplified by the extensive media coverage) were hugely divided on the presidential candidates of what was one of the most pivotal elections in recent history.

Ever since the election ended, as of 2017 it seems everything (from a domestic standpoint) seemed to go back to normal..... sort of.
:-X


I still have this hairstyle.  However, I do think it's on the decline.  I mostly think it's because it seems to be the hairstyle of the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazi movement.  It's caused people to distance themselves from it, much like Justin Bieber killed the scene swoop that dominated men's hairstyles in the late '00s.


Yeah Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quilf, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016.

2017 is very calm yet really boring at the same time. Maybe that's just what we need after 2016, but there is honestly so little progress in technology and culture right now. The last time things felt this stagnant was in 2012, but that year was horrible for me in other ways. I am not excited for the new Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and I was always excited to see the new features they would bring a couple years ago. 2017 is just a very boring year but not in a bad way. This probably means that 2018 will be a transitional year and things will truly look different when 2019 arrives. I have predicted that music and culture of the 2010s will truly change in 2018 or 2019 all the way back in 2010 (we still have some resemblance now to music and culture from the early 2010s) so I think that will happen and 2019 will be a cultural '20s year and look very different compared to the rest of the decade. Late 2018 will probably look different compared to now.

Good point. Having relatives in the South it is heartwarming when you're being served with 'Southern Hospitality'.

I agree that 2017 has been MUCH calmer than 2015/2016. Actually, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that roughly 60% of the country hates (or are indifferent with) Trump. So its very similar to W. Bush's Second Term from a domestic standpoint. While 2015/2016 on the other hand was dealing with the Primaries and 16' election, thus the public (amplified by the extensive media coverage) were hugely divided on the presidential candidates of what was one of the most pivotal elections in recent history.

Ever since the election ended, as of 2017 it seems everything (from a domestic standpoint) seemed to go back to normal..... sort of.
:-X

Yeah Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quilf, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016.


I thought that the time period between the Charleston shooting and the election of 2016 was when the whole division really was at its most intense.

I also remember watching the news for a very long time (like sometimes up to four hours) in late June and early July 2015.

I feel like things were at its most tense during the Black Male Shooting riots.

I still disagree that 2017 is very different from the rest of the 2010s. The music still feels very 2015, mid 2010s although we're now knee deep in it now. The only way from here is through/out/up.

I will admit that politics is definitely in a transitionary period especially online. The "SJWs" have been shouted down so now the anti-SJWs and/or alt-right are having to deal with criticisms without having a villain to deflect to.

The last controversial/must buzzed show I can think of is 13 Reasons Why.

Superhero movies are still heavy hitters despite there not being as much buzz around them. I think that's evidence that the superhero genre is here for the long haul. It's one thing to be a cultural phenomenon. It's another thing to become part of the regular cultural landscape.

Well.....another terrorist attack in the UK. Sadly, this is becoming the new normal for Europe. I'm a liberal but my beliefs on national security are being pushed everytime I see these attacks happen (if I'm being honest :-\\).

"Undercuts were everywhere in 2013-2016, but I'm starting to see it decline now. Other trends from the mid 10's that aren't as popular as they used to be are the man bun, caeser cut, quiff, lumbersexual beards, etc.

I agree that the controversial 2016 election probably was a catalyst to decline of the undercut due to the Nazi imagery it could potentially display (although misinterpreted most of the time), along with the continuing backlash against the hipster trends since Late 2016."

You nailed it.  8) Plus, the majority of those Trump-protesters were bearded, undercut-sporting hipsters. And just about all hipsters are against Trump... lol

I knew all along that a Trump victory would ruin the hipster fad.  ;D I predicted it as soon as he ran for office. Now we're slowly going back to the W. Bush era in fashion. Soon there'll be a full-blown 00's revival.

Well.....another terrorist attack in the UK. Sadly, this is becoming the new normal for Europe. I'm a liberal but my beliefs on national security are being pushed everytime I see these attacks happen (if I'm being honest :-\\).


It's the new normal, sadly. I hope we find a way to limit things like this, and find a way to protect people.  :(  :(  :(

2017 is very calm yet really boring at the same time. Maybe that's just what we need after 2016, but there is honestly so little progress in technology and culture right now. The last time things felt this stagnant was in 2012, but that year was horrible for me in other ways. I am not excited for the new Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and I was always excited to see the new features they would bring a couple years ago. 2017 is just a very boring year but not in a bad way. This probably means that 2018 will be a transitional year and things will truly look different when 2019 arrives. I have predicted that music and culture of the 2010s will truly change in 2018 or 2019 all the way back in 2010 (we still have some resemblance now to music and culture from the early 2010s) so I think that will happen and 2019 will be a cultural '20s year and look very different compared to the rest of the decade. Late 2018 will probably look different compared to now.


What about the Switch?

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I feel like things were at its most tense during the Black Male Shooting riots.

I still disagree that 2017 is very different from the rest of the 2010s. The music still feels very 2015, mid 2010s although we're now knee deep in it now. The only way from here is through/out/up.

I will admit that politics is definitely in a transitionary period especially online. The "SJWs" have been shouted down so now the anti-SJWs and/or alt-right are having to deal with criticisms without having a villain to deflect to.

The last controversial/must buzzed show I can think of is 13 Reasons Why.

Superhero movies are still heavy hitters despite there not being as much buzz around them. I think that's evidence that the superhero genre is here for the long haul. It's one thing to be a cultural phenomenon. It's another thing to become part of the regular cultural landscape.


I would agree.  The Charlotte riots and others like them were the tensest part of this decade.  As bad as 2017 has been, it hasn't been that bad.  2015 was also quite significant where I live because of how angry everyone was about the marriage equality decision.  I felt as if I should just go jump off a bridge because the way everybody was talking about it.  By 2017, it has mostly subsided and people don't talk about marriage equality quite as much (though they still tend to bring it up quite often).

I have noticed there isn't as much buzz surrounding superhero movies these days as there was in 2014 and 2015.  The peak of it was probably in 2014, around the time of the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

It's the new normal, sadly. I hope we find a way to limit things like this, and find a way to protect people.  :(  :(  :(

Yeah, I hope so.

What about the Switch?

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What about it?  ;D

What about the Switch?

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;D  ;D  ;D

People keep saying 2013 - 2016 is one era, and I disagree with this. 2014 - 2016 is one era, which is the mid 2010s. 2013 was its own year that transitioned from the early to mid 2010s and can be said to be part of the early 2010s. 2017 does not feel very different from the rest of the 2010s. Only some things have changed in 2016, very small and gradual transition. 2014 and 2012 are really different but 2017 and 2015 are not that different (but still a slight difference)

What about it?  ;D


It's not exciting? :(

My sister's new dialysis machine has a touchscreen table thing installed on it and has a human voice. It's replacing the machine that had simple buttons, an LED Matrix panel and can only produce beeps, that we got in 2013.

My cousin's new car parallel parks automatically. Neato!

Also Katy Perry's Witness album is decent if you listen to it a couple of times.

A sign of the times.

People keep saying 2013 - 2016 is one era, and I disagree with this. 2014 - 2016 is one era, which is the mid 2010s. 2013 was its own year that transitioned from the early to mid 2010s and can be said to be part of the early 2010s. 2017 does not feel very different from the rest of the 2010s. Only some things have changed in 2016, very small and gradual transition. 2014 and 2012 are really different but 2017 and 2015 are not that different (but still a slight difference)


I disagree.

2012 was the transition year.  Many of the things that defined the mid '10s really ramped up in 2012, starting with the Hunger Games and Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" which set the stage for mid '10s pop.  In late 2012, Macklemore had become popular.  "Thrift Shop" is a very mid '10s song and it was popular in late 2012.  Late 2012 going into 2013 also had the last hurrah of the electropop era.

2013-2016 was similar culturally.

I disagree.

2012 was the transition year.  Many of the things that defined the mid '10s really ramped up in 2012, starting with the Hunger Games and Carly Rae Jepsen's "Call Me Maybe" which set the stage for mid '10s pop.  In late 2012, Macklemore had become popular.  "Thrift Shop" is a very mid '10s song and it was popular in late 2012.  Late 2012 going into 2013 also had the last hurrah of the electropop era.

2013-2016 was similar culturally.

Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.

Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.

I agree with you.

Okay you're getting all of this wrong.... 2012 was not a transition year at all. It felt exactly the same as 2011 and they were identical years. Carly Rae Jepen's song was released in October 2011.... That's when I started hearing it on the radio and it DOES NOT sound like mid '10s pop, just a typical early 2010s pop song. Horrible example to use her song as it sounds like any other song that came out in 2011 (it came out in 2011 as well). Macklemore's Thrift Show WAS NOT popular in late 2012. It was the number 1 song of 2013 and you can look that up and see. It only started getting popular in early 2013 and blew up winter/spring of 2013. Seriously, 2012 was not a transitional year.... It along with 2013 were both part of the early 2010s. I just think it's dumb for people to put it as a transition year. People got annoyed at me for calling 2003 a mid 2000s year and saying there was a transition in 2002, yet people are doing the same for the 2010s?  ??? Absolutely makes no sense at all.

2013 - 2016 were not one era and not similar culturally at all. 2013 was part of the early 2010s. The mid 2010s are 2014-2016, not including 2013 as 2013 was a transitional year.


I think regional/cultural differences in terms of where we live as well as our personal lives make a difference and can alter the perception of cultural eras by a year or two.  For instance, for me, 2008 was totally an '00s year while you associate it more with the '10s.  For me, 2013 was mid '10s while you associate it with the early '10s.  I heard "Call Me Maybe" for the first time in March of 2012 and "Thrift Shop" for the first time in October of 2012.

I think regional/cultural differences in terms of where we live as well as our personal lives make a difference and can alter the perception of cultural eras by a year or two.  For instance, for me, 2008 was totally an '00s year while you associate it more with the '10s.  For me, 2013 was mid '10s while you associate it with the early '10s.  I heard "Call Me Maybe" for the first time in March of 2012 and "Thrift Shop" for the first time in October of 2012.

Okay you're right about that. Because Call Me Maybe was released around 6 months earlier in Canada. The reason it got popular in the U.S. was because of Justin Bieber promoting it. I still believe if we move past music, that 2012 was still a solid early 2010s year with technology, fashion, and everything. 2013 was a unique year and it only started seeing mid '10s culture in fall of that year.

I'm from NYC and 2013 was definitely a transitional year. 2013 felt much more like the early 2010s than mid 2010s.

I'm from NYC and 2013 was definitely a transitional year. 2013 felt much more like the early 2010s than mid 2010s.


I'm close by in NJ, and I agree. Although it's hard for me to say it leans heavily early or mid 2010's. Back in 2015 I would of easily said 10's due to many core 10's trends (Netflix shows, hipster fashion, EDM, 8th gen video game consoles, etc.) coming to mainstream fruition by then. But at the same time it was the end of many core Electropop era (late 00's/early 10's) trends such as the Electropop, dubstep, & indie genres in music, TV shows like Breaking Bad coming to an end, 7th generation gaming at its last legs for early-mid 13', among other trends.

2013 as a whole was just one big ass transitional year, but culturally from a school year perspective I'd divide the 10's school years like this:

2010-2011: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2011-2012: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2012-2013: Electropop/Core(could lean either way) 2010's/Early 2010's

2013-2014: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2014-2015: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's
(Either one of these school years were probably the most definitive ones)
2015-2016: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2016-2017: Core 2010's/Late 2010's

I'm close by in NJ, and I agree. Although it's hard for me to say it leans heavily early or mid 2010's. Back in 2015 I would of easily said 10's due to many core 10's trends (Netflix shows, hipster fashion, EDM, 8th gen video game consoles, etc.) coming to mainstream fruition by then. But at the same time it was the end of many core Electropop era (late 00's/early 10's) trends such as the Electropop, dubstep, & indie genres in music, TV shows like Breaking Bad coming to an end, 7th generation gaming at its last legs for early-mid 13', among other trends.

2013 as a whole was just one big ass transitional year, but culturally from a school year perspective I'd divide the 10's school years like this:

2010-2011: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2011-2012: Electropop Era/Early 2010's

2012-2013: Electropop/Core(could lean either way) 2010's/Early 2010's

2013-2014: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2014-2015: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's
(Either one of these school years were probably the most definitive ones)
2015-2016: Core 2010's/Mid 2010's

2016-2017: Core 2010's/Late 2010's

Yeah, I think that you're spot on.

"Core" 2010s could have started in 2011. Because core just means years that define the 2010s the most, and the early 2010s are super definitive when it comes to this decade, even more than the mid 2010s (same as the 2000s). Also I don't like calling it the "electropop era" because while music changed a quite bit, electropop has never fully gone away. And the early 2010s were defined by so much more than just music.

"Core" 2010s could have started in 2011. Because core just means years that define the 2010s the most, and the early 2010s are super definitive when it comes to this decade, even more than the mid 2010s (same as the 2000s). Also I don't like calling it the "electropop era" because while music changed a quite bit, electropop has never fully gone away. And the early 2010s were defined by so much more than just music.


Good point, but IMO I'd say it should start about the Late 2012 mark. 2011 still had a very heavy Electropop era feel with Blackberrys still being the standard smartphone, neon clothing from the Second Wave 80's revival (neon Hollister and Ed Hardy T-Shirts, pastel colored skinny jeans, scene/indie movement still popular), dubstep & indie music being king, etc. Even much of 2012 seems dated today from a 2017 standpoint. However, around the Late 2012 mark, stereotypical 2010's trends like EDM, Hipster fashion, iPhones being ubiquitous etc. started to gain mainstream attraction, hence why the 12'-13' school year is probably the first core 2010's year. However, culture during 12'-13' was still mostly 'early', with bits and pieces of 'mid' being introduced. 13'-14' was the first mid 10's school year, and probably the first stereotypical school year people associate generally with the 2010's.

Also electropop music technically is any popular music that uses primarily electronic synthesizers, so most pop music is electropop. But the type of electropop of today doesn't evoke the same kind of emotion and feel that it did back in 2008-2012/2013. Things have certainly evolved into more of The Chainsmokers or Dipplo sound of electronic music which incorporates elements primarily in EDM music, something that got big 2013 onwards. I think this album by Bruno Mars, Unorthodox Juke Box, perfectly displays how dated the sound of 2012/2013 has become, which seems crazy to think but its becoming the case.

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Many of these songs have a bit of indie/early 10's era electropop hybrid feel of music. This style of music is a far cry from the stuff from Bruno's recent album 24K Magic.

Think of it like this, both 2003-2004 & 2012-2013 are 'early' school years for their repsective decades (culturally, numerically is different), but are both (arguably) the first core school years for their respected decades as well. I see the core 2000's as being from roughly Late 2003 - Mid 2008, with 2006 being the definite noughties year (others say 2004, 2005, or 2007). Similarly I see the core 2010's as being from Late 2012 into the present, however its possible that if the core period of the 10's is mathematically a similar length to the 2000's that I'll end sometime this year. Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).

Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).

I think this will happen too and I certainly hope so.

Think of it like this, both 2003-2004 & 2012-2013 are 'early' school years for their repsective decades (culturally, numerically is different), but are both (arguably) the first core school years for their respected decades as well. I see the core 2000's as being from roughly Late 2003 - Mid 2008, with 2006 being the definite noughties year (others say 2004, 2005, or 2007). Similarly I see the core 2010's as being from Late 2012 into the present, however its possible that if the core period of the 10's is mathematically a similar length to the 2000's that I'll end sometime this year. Although I'm betting that'll end sometime within early-mid 18', I'm predicting we'd be in a dramatically different cultural environment by Late 18' (you heard it here first ;)).


We'll see.  It depends on what the new cultural environment is.  For whatever reason, I have that feeling that I am not going to really like whatever we are headed to.  Part of it is my age, and looking back seem to start resenting modern culture around my age and being more nostalgic for their teen and early twenties years.  I have already experienced some of that.  Mid '10s culture, for all its flaws, still has some bright spots to it and is still close enough to the early '10s that there is still a hint of "my culture" in it (I consider the late '00s/early '10s to be my prime young adult years).

The Knicks have sucked essentially since my birth. The last time the Knicks made it to the Finals was in 1999 (they faced the Spurs and that Finals ended just 2 weeks before I was born). The 1990s was the last time the Knicks were good consistently, the 2000s were a horrible decade for the Knicks (I remember those dark days well). Only 1 winning season in the last 16 years for the Knicks...just sad.
They were decent from 2010-2013. They had the great year in 2012-2013 winning 54 games in the regular season.

"Where I live, Donald Trump is quite popular and SJWs are frowned upon.  Being in an area that is so conservative"

"With Trump at the helm, I am worried about what our country as a whole will look like when we get to 2020."

Oh my word... I'm an anti-hipster/anti-SJW, conservative Republican, and I wish I could live in a place where Donald Trump is quite popular. What state do you live in? I'm from Chicago. You'd love it here.

Trump-supporters are a needle in a haystack. There's hardly American pride out here. People rarely dress in red white and blue anymore, or at least 2 of those colors. Not since the Bush era.

The individualistic hipster look is kinda fading away this year, but it's still popular. In big cities, you'll find a lot of Kardashian-wannabes and retro, bearded, skinny jean-wearing, Faze Apex look-a-likes with undercuts.

Yep. Nothing but annoying hipster clones in Chicago. I wish I could move to a Traditionally red state, particularly somewhere in the South. Far away from hipsters...

Heck, I'll even take Indiana. I'm a 00's kinda guy. Red states are right up my alley 'cause the people still rock trends from the Bush era.

Unfortunately for me, I'm young and I won't get to move for a long while. Besides, society will probably have a 00's revival by the Mid 2020's. But I don't think the year 2020 will be any different from 2017 aside from politics and maybe music.

After all, 90's culture didn't officially fizzle out until 2005 - 2008. And 00's culture didn't fizzle out until the Early 2010's when hipsterdom and SJW-ism became the norm. Gone were simpler times and simpler styles... By 2012, there was a major shift in every cultural aspect.

Examples: Clean-shaven or neatly-trimmed facial hair to long beards, short hair to long hair or an undercut, baggy to skinny, low-rise to high-rise, generic clothes to loud, hideous, zany, avante garde, grundgy, in-your-face fashion at any department store.

Top trends in 2016/May 2017 are:

The Lumbersexual/Grunge-revival look, plaid shirts, skinny jeans, cheap straight leg jeans, Nike Swoosh taper leg sweatpants, black Nike Free Runs, hideous neon running shoes (reminiscent of the Late 80's/Early 90's), twist-out hair, undercuts, the man-bun, Miley Cyrus hair, and the Dan TDM hairstyle.

Personally, I'll admit twist-out hair is cool to me because it's a throwback to 1980's Punk Rock hair.

In my opinion, the 2010's has been the strangest decade for fashion. The trend is to do your own thing. No longer are most people donning specific name brands, specific colors, and specific items, for the most part.

It's a very individualistic decade, like the 80's in Pop culture. A lot of today's trends will look stupid to future generations... (Not that they don't look stupid already...) But I digress.

(Sorry if this was too much, too complex. I'm a trend expert. I'm really into this stuff.)
Not to nitpick but the 2000's reminded of the 80's in that both decades were materialistic(1983-1986, maybe 1987) and 2003-2006.

As for todays trends looking stupid to future generations I don't think most music made from 2009-present will age very well in the future. Some past music like late 2005-mid 2008 ringtone rap and the second wave of bands from the hair metal genre(late 80's/early 90's) like Winger, or Warrant their music didn't age very well I don't think.

As for todays trends looking stupid to future generations I don't think most music made from 2009-present will age very well in the future. Some past music like late 2005-mid 2008 ringtone rap and the second wave of bands from the hair metal genre(late 80's/early 90's) like Winger, or Warrant their music didn't age very well I don't think.


I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

They were decent from 2010-2013. They had the great year in 2012-2013 winning 54 games in the regular season.

Yeah, the 2012-13 year is the only winning season in the past 16 years that I was referring to. They were decent from 2010-13 but not great and not nearly as good as they were in the 1990s. They went nowhere.

I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

I also thought that Justin was going to be a one hit wonder as well and I disliked him back then. In fact, I disliked him until last year.

I'll gladly trade FunkSoulBrother places.

There is a significant rural/urban divide in terms of Trump support. He is despised in urban areas but rural citizens still have an almost Messianic image of him.
I think Trump is make or break probably disliked in the inner-ring suburbs outside of Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, Denver and Minneapolis. He might be at break-even or at just above water popularity like in inner-ring suburbs outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Omaha, Nebraska and New Orleans, Louisiana because I think those inner-ring suburbs are more conservative. I personally don't think Trump is very popular in the inner-ring suburbs of the Texas Triangle Cities like Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston nor is he doing well in the inner ring suburbs of Detroit, Michigan or Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

I think Trump is make or break probably disliked in the inner-ring suburbs outside of Philly, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland, Denver and Minneapolis. He might be at break-even or at just above water popularity like in inner-ring suburbs outside of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Omaha, Nebraska and New Orleans, Louisiana because I think those inner-ring suburbs are more conservative. I personally don't think Trump is very popular in the inner-ring suburbs of the Texas Triangle Cities like Dallas, San Antonio, and Houston nor is he doing well in the inner ring suburbs of Detroit, Michigan or Milwaukee, Wisconsin.


Suburbia can be pretty fond of Trump, more than you think. I reside in a semi-affluent city of 90,000 in S Florida in a county that usually slightly trends Democratic. The county's white population was definitely leaning towards Trump over the alternative, now that does not imply an extreme appreciation BUT it is something worth considering. The whites in my county are relatively middle-of-the-road, but the whites in my city (especially the young whites) are rabid Republicans who would vote for a homicidal drifter if he had an R next to his name.

I can't really think of any decade's pop that ages well.  Rock and hip-hop has a better shot.  '90s rock has aged quite well.  '00s post-grunge will probably never be looked back on with as much fondness but it isn't terrible.  I imagine electropop will be looked back on like '90s eurodance.  Cheesy but enjoyable to listen to and nostalgic.  One artist I am surprised has lasted from that era is Justin Bieber.  He was quite polarizing when he first came on the scene in 2009.  Teen girls loved him but he was hated by most people, especially young guys.  He was sort of like a '10s version of the Backstreet Boys in the late '90s.  I thought he was be a one or maybe two album fad and then disappear.

I thought Justin Bieber would suffer the same fate as Aaron Carter but I was wrong.

I thought Justin Bieber would suffer the same fate as Aaron Carter but I was wrong.


That's what I thought.  There is still a stigma to liking Justin Bieber, even though his stuff today actually isn't bad.  It was kind of like Justin Timberlake carried that 'NSync stigma through most of the '00s and was one of those artists that guys didn't listen to.

I also thought Owl City would be more popular than he was.  I had listened to him when he was still an indie artist and always liked his earlier music.  He didn't really have anything other than Fireflies that was a major hit.  There were a few other songs that barely made the pop charts and he had some Christian radio hits, but nothing like Fireflies.  After Fireflies, he sold out to mainstream music and the quality of his songs went into the toilet.

Suburbia can be pretty fond of Trump, more than you think. I reside in a semi-affluent city of 90,000 in S Florida in a county that usually slightly trends Democratic. The county's white population was definitely leaning towards Trump over the alternative, now that does not imply an extreme appreciation BUT it is something worth considering. The whites in my county are relatively middle-of-the-road, but the whites in my city (especially the young whites) are rabid Republicans who would vote for a homicidal drifter if he had an R next to his name.


THIS. I'm from a suburb about 45 min-1 hour outside of NYC (yes, the liberal elitism capital of the world ;D), and my town is pretty 50/30 between registered Dems & Repubs, with remaining 20% voters being independents (these guys are the swing voters that could turn elections in favor of Dems or Repubs).

Yet in 2016, you saw nothing but Trump 16' flags & banners on people's yards. On the contrary I think I saw maybe 2 or 3 Hillary Signs In my entire town ;D. The town typically votes Democratic in Presidential elections (voted for Clinton, Gore & Obama in 92', 96', 00', 08' & 12', the town voted for Bush in 04' though), and could swing either Dem or Repub in State/Local (Christie won twice, Corzine won his first election here). However, there's definitely a suburbia effect that led to Trump winning the presidency, and I think this effect has resulted in people in my town and many other suburbs across the country being more willing to give Trump a chance.

People like to thought about liberal elitism but yet don't talk about conservative elitism. Conservatism in the USA has become more than an ideology....it has become a brand.  Also, there are plenty of conservatives who think that their views are better and supreme to liberals....yet no one says "conservative elitism".....hmmmm.

People like to thought about liberal elitism but yet don't talk about conservative elitism. Conservatism in the USA has become more than an ideology....it has become a brand.  Also, there are plenty of conservatives who think that their views are better and supreme to liberals....yet no one says "conservative elitism".....hmmmm.


I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X

I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X

Well, both sides have their opinions one which states are "the best to live in". However, what I'm talkimg about is the fact that there are plenty of conservatives who are elitists and think their ideas are better than liberals yet no one says "conservative elitism". Also, as seen by Trump, Greg Gianforte and other Republican politicians....they can say and do virtually anything but as long as they are Republicans...most conservatives won't care and will vote for them anyways....if that isn't some form of elitism then I don't know what is. Also, Conservatives and the GOP control most levels of government in the US. The Democrats are the most removed from power since 1928. That's conservative elitism at it's finest.

I like being insulted for being too smart though.... It tickles.  ;D

There's no such thing as conservative elitism. Most Republican states are not good places to live, and that's that on that.  :-X


States like Mississippi and Alabama (red states with far-right policy, mind you) rank among the highest in terms of obesity, lowest in education, etc for a multitude of reasons. 
However, I would note that a couple of Republican-leaning states, such as Wyomimg, seem to be prospering somewhat. Low crime rates, high quality of life, etc. Those states are more libertarian in collective mindset than socially conservative/NeoCon. The socially conservative ideology is a detriment to prosperity, though trickle-down economics surely isn't helping either.

States like Mississippi and Alabama (red states with far-right policy, mind you) rank among the highest in terms of obesity, lowest in education, etc for a multitude of reasons. 
However, I would note that a couple of Republican-leaning states, such as Wyomimg, seem to be prospering somewhat. Low crime rates, high quality of life, etc. Those states are more libertarian in collective mindset than socially conservative/NeoCon. The socially conservative ideology is a detriment to prosperity, though trickle-down economics surely isn't helping either.

That's becaue states like Wyoming are sparsely populated and very homogeneous (over 90% White).

What's in Wyoming? Isn't it just farms? I looked it up, and it doesn't pop up in any best quality of life lists.

What's in Wyoming? Isn't it just farms? I looked it up, and it doesn't pop up in any best quality of life lists.

What's in Wyoming?...well the joke is:

In Wyoming, there is plains and flatlands, horses, cowboys, White people, cows, more White people and even more cows ;D.

That's becaue states like Wyoming are sparsely populated and very homogeneous (over 90% White).


Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.

What's in Wyoming?...well the joke is:

In Wyoming, there is plains and flatlands, horses, cowboys, White people, cows, more White people and even more cows ;D.


Wow the state is literally a perfect square. I guess you won't be seeing the state's map on the side of trucks ;D

It looks beautiful though. But I mean... Kazakhstan is beautiful too, doesn't mean it's a good place to live. :o

Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.


I thought you said you lived in Florida? :P

A lot of the northern midwestern states like the Dakotas have a lot of oi and wealthl, so they're probably not too bad depending on what kind of life you want to live.

I thought you said you lived in Florida? :P


I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.

Maybe so. I would also add Utah to the very, very short list of semi-prosperous "conservative" states and Utah is nowhere near as homogeneous as Wyoming is but at the same time, you couldn't pay me to live long-term in Utah. Too heavy of a LDS influence. I COULD, however, live in South Dakota or Wyoming easily.
Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Kansas, and various other states make up a long list of sheeshty red states with sheeshty policies and I live in one of them.

Utah is 89% White and Wyoming is ~93% White....so Utah is not far off from Wyoming.

Anyways, out of all those states the only place I would live in is Georgia but only in Atlanta or the Atlanta suburbs. South Dakota and Wyoming too quiet and sparsely populated for me.

Wow the state is literally a perfect square. I guess you won't be seeing the state's map on the side of trucks ;D

It looks beautiful though. But I mean... Kazakhstan is beautiful too, doesn't mean it's a good place to live. :o

I agree ;D.

I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.

My opinion of Florida:
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I do. Florida is one of the various states I forgot to mention in the long list of "sheesty" states with "sheesty" policies.


Ah, I misread that.

I went to Florida in 2015, I really enjoyed it. But that was Orlando , I'm guessing the rest of the state, in particular the north is what's dragging it down. I heard the north is basically an extension of Mississippi ;D

If South and Central Florida were their own state it would be much better.

Ah, I misred that.

I went to Florida in 2015, I really enjoyed it. But that was Orlando , I'm guessing the rest of the state, in particular the north is what's dragging it down. I heard the north is basically an extension of Mississippi ;D

If South and Central Florida were their own state it would be much better.

I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).

I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).


Nice! Miami sounds cool.

And LOL at Redneck Riviera ;D All these places remind me of the movie Waterboy. That was probably my first exposure to the US South, and I imagine it's always like that.  :-X

Anyway, this thread is a perfect example of liberal elitism.  ;D

Nice! Miami sounds cool.
The tourist parts of Miami are cool....not cool outside of them :-X. Miami and South Florida also have this weird weather pattern where it pours rain for like 15 minutes around 3 pm.


And LOL at Redneck Riviera ;D All these places remind me of the movie Waterboy. That was probably my first exposure to the US South, and I imagine it's always like that.  :-X
In Florida, the more north you go...the more southern Florida becomes .


Anyway, this thread is a perfect example of liberal elitism.  ;D

True but who cares :-X.

The tourist parts of Miami are cool....not cool outside of them :-X. Miami and South Florida also have this weird weather pattern where it pours rain for like 15 minutes around 3 pm.
In Florida, the more north you go...the more southern Florida becomes .
True but who cares :-X.


Fool, the weather is the best thing about Miami. No one cares about rain. It's not the UK or something.  :-X :-X :-X

Each part of Florida has something uniquely "sheesty" to them. North Florida has an extremely backwards political philosophy, ultra-conservative and stuck in the past. Central Florida is bland as hell, with an over-abundance of strip malls and crystal meth, and an under-abundance of natural beauty. South Florida is rude as it gets, with horrific traffic, unreasonable cost of living and a fairly high violent-crime rate. Also, bugs. Lots of bugs to go around. And humidity.
I guess I could see myself living in AZ, as I have cousins there and the job market seems to be solid and steady (or so I hear). Climate is better, IMO.
But NM is a purple-to-blue leaning state, and one of my personal faves.

Fool, the weather is the best thing about Miami. No one cares about rain. It's not the UK or something.  :-X :-X :-X

Fool! I was just telling you about a weird weather pattern in Miami not that people don't like the weather of Miami :-X.

Personally, I dislike hot weather. I rather visit Aspen over visiting Miami again.

Each part of Florida has something uniquely "sheesty" to them. North Florida has an extremely backwards political philosophy, ultra-conservative and stuck in the past. Central Florida is bland as hell, with an over-abundance of strip malls and crystal meth, and an under-abundance of natural beauty. South Florida is rude as it gets, with horrific traffic, unreasonable cost of living and a fairly high violent-crime rate. Also, bugs. Lots of bugs to go around. And humidity.
I guess I could see myself living in AZ, as I have cousins there and the job market seems to be solid and steady (or so I hear). Climate is better, IMO.
But NM is a purple-to-blue leaning state, and one of my personal faves.

Your assessment of Florida while stereotypical is pretty accurate, lol.

I could never live in AZ or NM....too hot and too much of a desert for my states.

Your assessment of Florida while stereotypical is pretty accurate, lol.

I could never live in AZ or NM....too hot and too much of a desert for my states.


Have you ever spent quality time in a desert area? Desert heat is more tolerable than humid heat. Just my experience

Have you ever spent quality time in a desert area? Desert heat is more tolerable than humid heat. Just my experience

Did you not see me say that I dislike hot weather...PERIOD? It doesn't matter if it's "desert heat" or "humid heat".....I DON'T like hot weather.

Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

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edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

edit 2: I was probably being too harsh on Alberta and Newfoundland. I'd put those in green and blue respectively, they're not too bad honestly.

I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.

Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

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edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

Here's my personal opinion:
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I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.

That's not a surprise....most people do. I freaking hate hot weather....if I'm going to vacation then fine but to live in a place that's hot year round...HELL NO!!!!!.

Here's my personal opinion:
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That's not a surprise....most people do. I freaking hate hot weather....if I'm going to vacation then fine but to live in a place that's hot year round...HELL NO!!!!!.


Basically mine, but more picky ;D

I love hot weather. Especially humid weather like in the tropics.


That's the correct opinion.

California, Florida, Caribbean, Spain, Southern France, Italy, Mediterranean, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. That is the weather for human beings! I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.

Basically mine, but more picky ;D
That's the correct opinion.
Correct ;D.


California, Florida, Caribbean, Spain, Southern France, Italy, Mediterranean, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. That is the weather for human beings! I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.

Those places are nice to visit but not to live, IMO.

I've been to Florida twice. I went in 2009 (Miami & Ft. Lauderdale) and 2016 (Orlando). Those areas were nice (mostly). However, most of the rest of Florida is well......no bueno in my view. There is an area in North Florida called "Redneck Riviera". I'm not lying look it up :-X. Florida is too crazy and "redneck" for me (with the exceptions).


So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P

I'd add Australia but spiders grow in that climate.


It's honestly not as bad as people think it is. I can't even remember the last time I saw a spider! :P

So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P

Disneyland is in California (Anaheim). Disney World, on the other hand, is in Florida (Orlando) and the tourist parts of Miami are nice. If you stick to the big cities of Florida (Jacksonville, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, etc) they are nice to visit but Florida is crazy outside of the cities and it's a running joke here in America that Floridians are a crazy bunch (because lot's of crazy and f*cked up stuff happens there).


It's honestly not as bad as people think it is. I can't even remember the last time I saw a spider! :P

Maybe, it's because you're used to them so they become normal ;D...jk.

Legend:

Green – I'd be ever thankful if I was born in these places
Blue – I'd be content if I was born in these places
Orange – I'd be okay with being born in these places, but I could do better and I'd probably move...
Red – F*ck NO, if I were born in these places I'd get out of these places as soon as I could. ;D

https://www.gasfoodnolodging.com/vsmap/M1111444221431211114121311111133114114241111114411134222311424227-800.svg

edit: that's my personal opinion of course, don't feel bad if you're in those red places. :-X

edit 2: I was probably being too harsh on Alberta and Newfoundland. I'd put those in green and blue respectively, they're not too bad honestly.


I am making this list on multiple criteria, not solely politics (because I increasingly despise modern politics) but politics plays a role nonetheless.

RED: Mississippi, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Ohio, Arkansas.
ORANGE: Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, West Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Virginia, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, Oklahoma, Kansas, Utah, Iowa, Missouri.
BLUE: Arizona, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado, Maine, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania.
GREEN: New Hampshire, Vermont, Wyoming, New Mexico, California, Oregon, Washington, South Dakota, Montana, Alaska.

So if I were to ever travel to the US, you wouldn't recommend visiting Florida? It's interesting hearing your opinions on Florida, because I always thought that it was one of the best states to go and see, because of Disneyland and Miami. Shows how much I know! :P


Don't listen to him! Reignman Snow knows nothing. I had an amazing time in Orlando. Yes, Disney World was amazing, and so was Universal Studios. They had amazing food down there. The weather was great at 40C. The people there were friendly and talkative too.


And also the guys there were SUPER hot. Wow!  :-[ Actually, they were either really obese or they were muscular. Everyone being BIG was one of the first things I noticed. It was stereotypical American. And I'm skin and bones basically at 120 lbs / 55 kg. I probably looked like an alien. ;D

Avoid Sea World though, that's a tourist trap if I've ever been to one.

Don't listen to him! Reignman Snow knows nothing. I had an amazing time in Orlando. Yes, Disney World was amazing, and so was Universal Studios. They had amazing food down there. The weather was great at 40C. The people there were friendly and talkative too.
What did I say that was wrong? I said that the big cities of Florida like Orlando are nice to visit ???. You're right about the people of Orlando (mostly).



And also the guys there were SUPER hot. Wow!  :-
Avoid Sea World though, that's a tourist trap if I've ever been to one.

I went to Sea World....wasn't the greatest but wasn't horrible though (well, to visit...:-X)