Finally, something that I'm an expert in! I was a teenager in the early 2010s, so this couldn't possibly be a more perfect thread. I graduated high school in 2014, with my birthday being November 1995. I started high school in 2010, although where I lived 9th grade was still considered Junior High as per the rules of the district. However, 9th graders were considered high schoolers if they played sports. As in: At school, you were still a Junior High-Schooler, but if you played sports (football, basketball, baseball, swimming, etc.), you were a high schooler.  :o  Weird. Now let's compare the differences between early 2010s teens and mid 2010s teens. Here's my definition.

Adolescence is generally paired up with high school, and rightfully so. Just because you are 13 or 19 doesn't mean you are an adolescent—you are a teenager, not an adolescent! When I refer to "2010s Teens", I'm talking about people who spent either all or most of their high school years in the 2010's. I consider adolescence to span from the summer right before 9th grade year (because 9th grade isn't always considered high school) all the way through the summer immediately following 12th grade year. For someone who graduated high school in 2014, that would span June 2010 through August 2014.

Early 2010s Teens: High School Classes of 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2015
Mid 2010s Teens: High School Classes of 2016, 2017, & 2018

Yes, I know that the definition of adolescence is different for everybody, such as when it begins and ends. But this is my thread and for the purposes of this thread I would appreciate it if people followed my boundaries for this thread. No harm no foul. :D

This is going to be especially interesting for me because my generation has so much to talk about. Not just music and clothing, but also social media, catchphrases, video games, movies, and television. Don't forget music festivals! Try to avoid short generalizations like what the people are doing in the 1990's thread (Gosh, those responses are making me so angry). What really matters is the details. Be precise—explain. Now, I'm probably gonna get some responses from people who graduated high school in 2010 and 2011 on here, just for the record you guys are late 2000's teens. I also know people are going to be asking me "Why aren't late 2010's teens on here?" Well, it's only November 2016. The oldest of the bunch are only sophomores in high school and the youngest are only in the eighth grade.

I have to go to work, so I can't give my full input right now. I'll do it when I get back in about 8 hours. #seeya

Update 12/5/2016: To make the definitions a little bit more flexible, I'm going to add some extra labels. Class of 2015 are early-to-mid 2010's teens, and Class of 2018 are mid-to-late 2010's teens. Both of them graduate pretty deep into their "following eras".

Early 2010s teen fads: YOLO, Harlem Shake, unironic memes
Mid 2010s teen fads: Lit, Whip Whip Nae Nae, "post-ironic" self-deprecating memes

Would anybody please make a 2000s teen thread? I don't think one was made yet.

If I had to choose, I would rather be an early 2000s teen, just so that I would've been old enough to be called an adult at this day. Considering that early 2000s teens were born in the mid 90s.

Early 2010s teen fads: YOLO, Harlem Shake, unironic memes
Mid 2010s teen fads: Lit, Whip Whip Nae Nae, "post-ironic" self-deprecating memes


2012-2013 school year was mid-2010s in all but name  :-[

Rebecca Black, Gangnam Style and idk, planking, are the real early 2010s :P

2012-2013 school year was mid-2010s in all but name  :-[

Rebecca Black, Gangnam Style and idk, planking, are the real early 2010s :P


No, it wasn't. The 2011-12 and 2012-13 school years were the peak of the early 2010s, imo.

No, it wasn't. The 2011-12 and 2012-13 school years were the peak of the early 2010s, imo.


Naw, logo tees and electropop were out 2012-2013. Early 2010s staples.

The early 10's had the new age crowd against the mid 10's social justice sugar beat crowd!  :D  :D

No, it wasn't. The 2011-12 and 2012-13 school years were the peak of the early 2010s, imo.


Hell no! The peak of early 2010's culture was the 2010-11 school year! 2011-12 was the last REAL early 2010's school year. 2012-13 and 2013-14 were both the transitions from early 2010's to mid 2010's!

Naw, logo tees and electropop were out 2012-2013. Early 2010s staples.


Totally agree!

The early 10's had the new age crowd against the mid 10's social justice sugar beat crowd!  :D  :D


Those were the same people who were in the new age crowd. It's just that they were in high school during the early 2010s.


Naw, logo tees and electropop were out 2012-2013. Early 2010s staples.


Okay... 2011-12 is more likely to be the peak for the early 2010s. To me, at least.

I consider myself to be somewhat of an Early 2010s teen. I started High School in 2012, when I was 13 years old. By the end of 2013, I was almost 15.

Totally agree!



Hell no! The peak of early 2010's culture was the 2010-11 school year! 2011-12 was the last REAL early 2010's school year. 2012-13 and 2013-14 were both the transitions from early 2010's to mid 2010's!


Yep, agreed! I've said it before, but 2012-13 feels sort of like 2003-04 school year. A lot of early 2000s/early 2010s mainstays have disappeared, but the main mid-2000s/mid-2010s cultural icons like, say Lost/House of Cards or Yeah! (Usher)/Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus) have yet to come out.

Also, wasn't Harlem Shake the start of the much-dreaded "trap rap" trend? It really does naturally belong more with the mid-2010s ;D (although, I like Harlem Shake... *grabs flameshield* my school made a fun video and I was in it!)

Those were the same people who were in the new age crowd. It's just that they were in high school during the early 2010s.

Okay... 2011-12 is more likely to be the peak for the early 2010s. To me, at least.


Ahh, you don't have to "agree" with me if you don't want to. It's all subjective, really, and different things matter to different people ;)


I consider myself to be somewhat of an Early 2010s teen. I started High School in 2012, when I was 13 years old. By the end of 2013, I was almost 15.


12 is partially adolescence/puberty too, tbh.

Would anybody please make a 2000s teen thread? I don't think one was made yet.

If I had to choose, I would rather be an early 2000s teen, just so that I would've been old enough to be called an adult at this day. Considering that early 2000s teens were born in the mid 90s.


You mean mid-80s?

Ahh, you don't have to "agree" with me if you don't want to. It's all subjective, really, and different things matter to different people ;)

12 is partially adolescence/puberty too, tbh.


12 is the average age girls have their first 'you know what' time once a month.

Ahh, you don't have to "agree" with me if you don't want to. It's all subjective, really, and different things matter to different people ;)


Yeah, but sometimes you're saying like it's a fact.  :-\\

12 is the average age girls have their first 'you know what' time once a month.


Nowadays it's even earlier  :-X

2012-2013 school year was mid-2010s in all but name  :-[

Rebecca Black, Gangnam Style and idk, planking, are the real early 2010s :P

No it wasn't. The mid 2010s started 2013-2014 school year or around mid 2013. Definitely not 2012 or the 2012-2013 school year, that was purely early 2010s.

Hell no! The peak of early 2010's culture was the 2010-11 school year! 2011-12 was the last REAL early 2010's school year. 2012-13 and 2013-14 were both the transitions from early 2010's to mid 2010's!

No it wasn't. the transition started in 2013. And 2014 is the first full mid 2010s year.

I was a late teen in the early 2010s. But I think teens these days are the same as in the early 10s. I really don't notice any difference apart from them being obsessed with memes now.

No it wasn't. The mid 2010s started 2013-2014 school year or around mid 2013. Definitely not 2012 or the 2012-2013 school year, that was purely early 2010s.


I can agree with you in it starting mid-2013, since that's numerically true and Breaking Bad had its season finale. However if it started mid-2013, then the transition was before it, no?  :P I don't feel like it was the peak. All the trends Zelek listed were 2012-13 year. No love for the real golden age of 2010-early 2012  :\'(

I can agree with you in it starting mid-2013, since that's numerically true and Breaking Bad had its season finale. However if it started mid-2013, then the transition was before it, no?  :P I don't feel like it was the peak. All the trends Zelek listed were 2012-13 year. No love for the real golden age of 2010-early 2012  :\'(

The transition was early 2013. Actually 2013 as a whole was one big transitional year. But 2012 is 100% early 2010s to me. Most of 2013 is early 2010s but the transition started in 2013.

I can agree with you in it starting mid-2013, since that's numerically true and Breaking Bad had its season finale. However if it started mid-2013, then the transition was before it, no?  :P I don't feel like it was the peak. All the trends Zelek listed were 2012-13 year. No love for the real golden age of 2010-early 2012  :\'(



The transition was early 2013. Actually 2013 as a whole was one big transitional year. But 2012 is 100% early 2010s to me. Most of 2013 is early 2010s but the transition started in 2013.

Wouldn't the transitions depend on the country? Here in the US, it would have been a little later. 2013 here still had more similarities to 2012 than 2014.

No it wasn't. the transition started in 2013. And 2014 is the first full mid 2010s year.


The mid 2010s were already there in the summer of 2013.


Wouldn't the transitions depend on the country? Here in the US, it would have been a little later. 2013 here still had more similarities to 2012 than 2014.


Wouldn't it be the same towards Canada, since the country already had some celebrities influencing this decade's culture. The silver age of Justin Bieber already happened around late 2012/early 2013, so it would be the same towards the United States when that occurred.

Wouldn't the transitions depend on the country? Here in the US, it would have been a little later. 2013 here still had more similarities to 2012 than 2014.

That's fair. 2014 can be considered the first mid 10s year too. But some people are saying 2012 is first year or it was a transition into the mid 10s which is wrong. I find it funny people think that about the 2010s but when I say that about 2002/2003 in the 2000s everyone loses their minds and scream it's 2004.  ;D

Wouldn't it be the same towards Canada, since the country already had some celebrities influencing this decade's culture. The silver age of Justin Bieber already happened around late 2012/early 2013, so it would be the same towards the United States when that occurred.

Nope, Canada is still slightly different.

The mid 2010s were already there in the summer of 2013.


The early 10s did not completely end in summer 2013.

That's fair. 2014 can be considered the first mid 10s year too. But some people are saying 2012 is first year or it was a transition into the mid 10s which is wrong. I find it funny people think that about the 2010s but when I say that about 2002/2003 in the 2000s everyone loses their minds and scream it's 2004.  ;D
I say it's because the transition here in America was much later than Canada. 2002 and '03 here were very similar compared to 2004 and beyond.


Wouldn't it be the same towards Canada, since the country already had some celebrities influencing this decade's culture. The silver age of Justin Bieber already happened around late 2012/early 2013, so it would be the same towards the United States when that occurred.

Well not exactly since the US culture is still mainly dominated by Americans and don't forget we also had some European, Australian and NZ celebs influencing this decade's culture as well.

Wouldn't the transitions depend on the country? Here in the US, it would have been a little later. 2013 here still had more similarities to 2012 than 2014.


It would depend on the individual, rather than the country. What country specific changes did you have in mind anyway?

It would depend on the individual, rather than the country. What country specific changes did you have in mind anyway?
The US.

That's fair. 2014 can be considered the first mid 10s year too. But some people are saying 2012 is first year or it was a transition into the mid 10s which is wrong. I find it funny people think that about the 2010s but when I say that about 2002/2003 in the 2000s everyone loses their minds and scream it's 2004.  ;D


2003 (at least May to December of that year) was already part of the mid 2000s. It's just that people hide 2004 and 2005 as part of the early 2000s, since they have double standards over nostalgia. I don't know what mqg96 and Slowpoke said, when they decided to see 2012 and early 2013 as part of the mid 2010s, but it's just from their perspective. I don't really see it as the early-mid 2010s, since everything was like the same to me since 2012.


Well not exactly since the US culture is still mainly dominated by Americans and don't forget we also had some European, Australian and NZ celebs influencing this decade's culture as well.


Yeah, but Justin Bieber and Drake is still big here in the United States. They were mainly local towards Canada in the 2000s, unless somebody watched Degrassi: The Next Generation (which was a show that Drake was on).

2003 (at least May to December of that year) was already part of the mid 2000s. It's just that people hide 2004 and 2005 as part of the early 2000s, since they have double standards over nostalgia. I don't know what mqg96 and Slowpoke said, when they decided to see 2012 and early 2013 as part of the mid 2010s, but it's just from their perspective. I don't really see it as the early-mid 2010s, since everything was like the same to me since 2012.

Yeah, but Justin Bieber and Drake is still big here in the United States. They were mainly local towards Canada in the 2000s, unless somebody watched Degrassi: The Next Generation (which was a show that Drake was on).

To me, the mid 2010s has zero elements until 2013 (both transition and start). But early 2010s and mid 2010s are fairly similar to me in general, even late 2000s to some extent. 2013 was the year the early 2010s started fading away and we saw what the mid 10s will bring. By late 2013 or early 2014, the mid 10s culture started. But to be honest I sometimes think there wasn't even a transition and 2013 was just a super unique year on its own. It is one of the most unique and fun cultural years of the 2010s. I remember that year I was thinking to myself "If this is what the rest of the decade will be like, I love the 2010s!" But then 2014 happened... lol

Justin Bieber was only popular in Canada starting in 2009 which was right around the same time he made international success. As for Drake, wasn't he popular in the US in 2008? I believe he had a super popular song on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2008.

To me, the mid 2010s has zero elements until 2013 (both transition and start). But early 2010s and mid 2010s are fairly similar to me in general, even late 2000s to some extent. 2013 was the year the early 2010s started fading away and we saw what the mid 10s will bring. By late 2013 or early 2014, the mid 10s culture started. But to be honest I sometimes think there wasn't even a transition and 2013 was just a super unique year on its own. It is one of the most unique and fun cultural years of the 2010s. I remember that year I was thinking to myself "If this is what the rest of the decade will be like, I love the 2010s!" But then 2014 happened... lol


I guess that's good for you. I never really find 2013 to be as different as 2012, since everybody did the same stuff at the time. We already had iPhones and iPads, and we already had One Direction popular at the time. It's just that different events happened, and that's about it. It may unique towards you, but my perspective says otherwise.


Justin Bieber was only popular in Canada starting in 2009 which was right around the same time he made international success. As for Drake, wasn't he popular in the US in 2008? I believe he had a super popular song on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2008.


Yeah, but it's not like a lot of people heard about him in the United States. He was more popular during the mid 2010s, at least since 2013. Also, wasn't Justin Bieber popular on YouTube during the late 2000s, according to Slowpoke?

I guess that's good for you. I never really find 2013 to be as different as 2012, since everybody did the same stuff at the time. We already had iPhones and iPads, and we already had One Direction popular at the time. It's just that different events happened, and that's about it. It may unique towards you, but my perspective says otherwise.

Yeah, but it's not like a lot of people heard about him in the United States. He was more popular during the mid 2010s, at least since 2013. Also, wasn't Justin Bieber popular on YouTube during the late 2000s, according to Slowpoke?

I only heard of him in 2009. YouTube wasn't like today where you knew all the online celebrities back then. As for Drake, he started his international music career in 2008 - 2009, not 2013.

I only heard of him in 2009. YouTube wasn't like today where you knew all the online celebrities back then. As for Drake, he started his international music career in 2008 - 2009, not 2013.


Yeah, but people saw him as an actor in the next generation Degrassi series during the mid-late 2000s.

The US.


I mean, what changed that was US specific?



Yeah, but it's not like a lot of people heard about him in the United States. He was more popular during the mid 2010s, at least since 2013. Also, wasn't Justin Bieber popular on YouTube during the late 2000s, according to Slowpoke?


2009 is late 2000s :P I have a picture of me posing with a cardboard cut out of Beiber in mid-2009.

Yeah, but people saw him as an actor in the next generation Degrassi series during the mid-late 2000s.

That's true. I personally didn't watch Degrassi but many people did.

2009 is late 2000s :P I have a picture of me posing with a cardboard cut out of Beiber in mid-2009.


Okay then. I used to think so, since Canadians were the first ones to get attention from Bieber.

Okay then. I used to think so, since Canadians were the first ones to get attention from Bieber.

I'm not sure exactly but I think he was popular in Canada only for a couple months before getting to the U.S. Or it's possible when Usher discovered him he immediately gained traction in the U.S. I'm not 100% sure, maybe Slowpoke knows.

I mean, what changed that was US specific?
The music was changing as Electropop was dying here. Fashion went from bright and colorful to dull and limited. The shootings and other incidents began to rise at a new level. The BLM movement was formed after the 2013 verdict. ISIS was created due to the destabilization of the middle east. The country as a whole became more divisive due to race/ethnicity, religion, LGBT and immigrant relations.

I'm not sure exactly but I think he was popular in Canada only for a couple months before getting to the U.S. Or it's possible when Usher discovered him he immediately gained traction in the U.S. I'm not 100% sure, maybe Slowpoke knows.


All I knew before he became popular in the U.S. was that he became fascinated with music at a young age. He then got noticed by Usher, who made him popular towards American pop culture by the time he made "Baby".

The music was changing as Electropop was dying here. Fashion went from bright and colorful to dull and limited. The shootings and other incidents began to rise at a new level. The BLM movement was formed after the 2013 verdict. ISIS was created due to the destabilization of the middle east. The country as a whole became more divisive due to race/ethnicity, religion, LGBT and immigrant relations.


That's was all 2013 wasn't it?

That's was all 2013 wasn't it?
Not entirely. Yeah 2013 was the start, but 2014 was really the year all these things were in full force here in the US. I don't recall many terrible events occurring the previous except the Boston bombing.

The music was changing as Electropop was dying here. Fashion went from bright and colorful to dull and limited. The shootings and other incidents began to rise at a new level. The BLM movement was formed after the 2013 verdict. ISIS was created due to the destabilization of the middle east. The country as a whole became more divisive due to race/ethnicity, religion, LGBT and immigrant relations.


Electropop dying --- Late 2012. This isn't completely US-specific, the charts in English speaking countries are 99% the same.

Fashion went from bright and colorful to dull and limited --- late 2012.

The shootings and other incidents began to rise at a new level - - Sandy Hook in December 2012. Or Aurora massacre in July 2012.

The BLM movement was formed after the 2013 verdict --- yeah.

ISIS was created due to the destabilization of the middle east --- This isn't US specific.  Modern ISIS was formed April 2013, but the city of Raqqa (capital of ISIS) fell to their parent organization in March 2013. What is US-specific though is Obama in August 2012 saying he wouldn't get involved in Syria until the "red line" of using chemical weapons is crossed, and Assad crossing that red line in March 2013. The US started arming rebels in June 2013.

The country as a whole became more divisive due to


race/ethnicity --- I'm guessing you're referring to BLM, then yeah that was 2013/2014.

religion --- I don't see what religious tensions there were in the mid-2010s that weren't there previously.

LGBT --- if you're talking about the modern movement, most people accredit the passing of Prop 8 in late 2008. Iowa Supreme Court knocking down the marriage ban in 2009 is also an appropriate starting point. DADT was repealed late 2011.

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Immigrant relations - Arizona SB 1070 was passed in 2010. It was a huge discussion point in the 2012 election which occurred late 2012. If you're talking about Tr*mp then he's more of a late 2010s thing. Although he was a birther icon in mid-2011.

Electropop dying --- Late 2012. This isn't completely US-specific, the charts in English speaking countries are 99% the same.

Fashion went from bright and colorful to dull and limited --- late 2012.

The shootings and other incidents began to rise at a new level - - Sandy Hook in December 2012. Or Aurora massacre in July 2012.

The BLM movement was formed after the 2013 verdict --- yeah.

ISIS was created due to the destabilization of the middle east --- This isn't US specific.  Modern ISIS was formed April 2013, but the city of Raqqa (capital of ISIS) fell to their parent organization in March 2013. What is US-specific though is Obama in August 2012 saying he wouldn't get involved in Syria until the "red line" of using chemical weapons is crossed, and Assad crossing that red line in March 2013. The US started arming rebels in June 2013.

The country as a whole became more divisive due to


race/ethnicity --- I'm guessing you're referring to BLM, then yeah that was 2013/2014.

religion --- I don't see what religious tensions there were in the mid-2010s that weren't there previously.

LGBT --- if you're talking about the modern movement, most people accredit the passing of Prop 8 in late 2008. Iowa Supreme Court knocking down the marriage ban in 2009 is also an appropriate starting point. DADT was repealed late 2011.

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Immigrant relations - Arizona SB 1070 was passed in 2010. It was a huge discussion point in the 2012 election which occurred late 2012. If you're talking about Tr*mp then he's more of a late 2010s thing. Although he was a birther icon in mid-2011.

Early 2013. Electropop was still alive and well in 2012. Actually you can argue electropop never even fully died.

religion --- I don't see what religious tensions there were in the mid-2010s that weren't there previously.


Talking about religion in the United States though is still the same. It's not like in every state, you'll be safe of being an agnostic atheist. Especially in the South.  :-X

That's was all 2013 wasn't it?


Praise Allah!

Praise Allah!


Are you secretly working for ISIS?  :-\\

Are you secretly working for ISIS?  :-\\


ISIS is really brutal. I wouldn't want to mess with them.

Hell no! The peak of early 2010's culture was the 2010-11 school year! 2011-12 was the last REAL early 2010's school year. 2012-13 and 2013-14 were both the transitions from early 2010's to mid 2010's!

Yup, well put Marquis! :)

The mid 2010s were already there in the summer of 2013.

Debatable. The whole year was transitional.

Debatable. The whole year was transitional.

You're right. There was still an early 10s vibe in 2013.

Debatable. The whole year was transitional.



You're right. There was still an early 10s vibe in 2013.


Well frankly, the whole year was early 2010s from the start and to the end. I kept seeing influences from 2010-2012 being stuck throughout the year. Even with my personal life, I was transitioning from my preteens from late 2010-2012.

Praise Allah!


Hillary Akbar!!

Hm... From my experience I notice that mid 2010's teens are generally more sarcastic than early 2010's teenagers. They also tend to be a little bit more rebellious and aggressive, as well as being less "mainstream" than their older peers. I remember when I was an upperclassman in high school, I thought Class of 2016 was very different from the graduating class just right above them. These kids were weird, snarky, crude, and somewhat apathetic. Not to criticize them or anything, it's just what I observed from their behavior.

Also, perhaps the biggest divider between early 2010s teens and mid 2010s teens is that early 2010s teens were in high school for either all or most of the early portion of the decade. Mid 2010's teens, on the other hand, were still children, being in middle school or even elementary school during the early 2010s. Not only are mid 2010's teens 2000's kids, but early 2010's kids as well. 🙃 It's amazing what 1-2 years apart in age can do to you. 8th grade is still childhood to me, and 9th and even 10th graders still look like little kids. They may be teens, but a freshman and a sophomore in high school are still little kids to me.

Take note, however, that just because a teen fad took place in a certain chronological era doesn't mean that it belongs strictly to those teens. You have to remember that half of Early 2010's teens spent some of their high school years in the mid 2010s as well. Class of 2014 and 2015 were both in high school for a good part of the mid 2010's. Class of 2016 spent their freshman year in the early 2010's. Try to understand that an early 2010's teen's experience of the mid 2010's will be quite different from that of a mid 2010's teen, and vice versa.

Not only are mid 2010's teens 2000's kids, but early 2010's kids as well.

I'm not too sure about that, to be honest. Being born in 1999, I was 11-14 years old in the Early 2010s. I personally wouldn't consider 2011, or 2010 to a certain extent, to be apart of my childhood years. By that stage, I had well and truly stop participating in kids culture and I wasn't even in my core childhood anymore. Not only that, but I started High School in late January 2012 and I even turned 13 just over a month later. I would personally consider myself to be both a Early 2010s and Mid 2010s teen.

Hell no! The peak of early 2010's culture was the 2010-11 school year! 2011-12 was the last REAL early 2010's school year. 2012-13 and 2013-14 were both the transitions from early 2010's to mid 2010's!


??? No it wasn't. 2010–11 was not the peak of the early 2010's. It was far too primitive and undeveloped. 2011–12 was the real pinnacle, as that year gave the existing genres (Hip-Hop, Pop, and R&B) a bit of a tune-up while introducing two new ones which were Indie and EDM. The only genre that stayed the same was Country music. The music from 2010–11 has aged far worse compared to the music from just a year later. Just compare Neon Trees' "Animal" to Coldplay's "Paradise" and there is a very, very big difference in sound. In part because of the genres (former is Electropop, latter is Indie Rock), but also the synths are very different.

As for transitions, I really think it's 2013–14 and 2014–15. 2012–13 was primarily early 2010's with a foretaste of the middle decade, mostly towards the end. Summer 2013 is when it gets seriously mid 2010s for me, but still visibly early 2010s. After that the two chronological eras and their respective cultures continue to blend for the next two years until the 2015–16 school year starts and that's when the pure, as well as peak, mid 2010's begins. This is mostly in terms of music and film. Social media, television, and clothing became mid 2010's almost in an instant right when 2013–14 started, from my experience. No joke, May 2013 was so different from September. I did move states btw in the summer, but neither of the places that I lived in at the time were behind the curve. Both of them were pretty up-to-date. I'll even show you pictures comparing them both if you'd like.

I'm not too sure about that, to be honest. Being born in 1999, I was 11-14 years old in the Early 2010s. I personally wouldn't consider 2011, or 2010 to a certain extent, to be apart of my childhood years. By that stage, I had well and truly stop participating in kids culture and I wasn't even in my core childhood anymore. Not only that, but I started High School in late January 2012 and I even turned 13 just over a month later. I would personally consider myself to be both a Early 2010s and Mid 2010s teen.


:o ??? Are you from outside the USA?

:o ??? Are you from outside the USA?


I'm Australian. Middle School doesn't exist over here. Only Primary School (elementary) and High School. Regardless, I would still consider myself to be an Early 2010s teen, as I turned 13 in March 2012.

I'm Australian. Middle School doesn't exist over here. Only Primary School (elementary) and High School.


Oh, no wonder! I'm going by the American school system, which is K-12. Kindergarten through 5th grade is Elementary/Primary School, 6th through 8th grade is Middle School/Junior High, and 9th through 12th grade is High School. People start Kindergarten when they are around 5/6 years of age. Most people turn 6 during their year in Kindergarten. The school enrollment birthdates go by September-August for most states. The child has to be age five before September 1st to be eligible for enrollment in Kindergarten. I'm guessing you were born in early March? If you were in the American school system you would have started Kindergarten in 2004 and you would be the high school Class of 2017. Some districts/counties do Elementary from K-6th grade, Middle school from 7-9th, and High school from 10-12th. It's no surprise then I was confused by your statements! We're from two totally different countries!

The 2010s aren't really a hallmark of teen films and tv shows. That demographic seems to be largely forgotten. But here are two teen movies that come as close as they can get to the style of teen movies from the '80s and '90s.

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Easy A was a movie that was released in late 2010. It was probably filmed sometime in either late 2009 or early 2010. This movie is somewhat a parody/homage to iconic '80s teen movies. The film was pretty funny when I first watched it, but as time flew by it started to appear increasingly disconnected from proper teen culture. First of all, it features Amanda Bynes, a relic of the 2000's who has retired from acting (and went crazy in the process). Second, all of the actors are way too old for their parts. As I've gotten older I've become a lot less appreciative of directors casting 22 year-olds as high schoolers. Then you have the clothes and the hairstyles, then the technology, then the music, and then the catchphrases and nicknames. Harlot? Trollop? Floozy?! *faints* Anyways.... Easy A isn't really much of a 2010s teen movie anyway, it's more late 2000's. Someone who graduated high school in 2010 or 2011 would probably relate to this movie very well, because that was their culture. But for Class of 2014 or 2015? No way.

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The Duff was released in early 2015. This one is much more in touch with the teen culture that was dominant at the time (and still is today, honestly). It was filmed in the summer of 2014, and it couldn't be more accurate of the culture of the time. Everything from the fashion (especially the fashion) to the social media, to the music, to the catchphrases. However, it wasn't perfect. The first half of the film largely consisted of caricatures of real teens, and the characters didn't show any depth until the second half of the movie. As with Easy A, most of the actors are too old for their roles. I didn't mind it though. I liked the movie more than Easy A. I related to the movie a lot more and it was much more representative of the culture of my own high school years. Like everything else from that time, it's a pretty nice mix of early and mid 2010's things.

Honestly, neither of these movies are going to age well as the years go on. But they are as close as we can get to depicting 2010s teen culture.

There was another small shift in 2015 as well. Like the transition to mid 2010s part 2. This was mainly due to the change of the economy (falling oil prices) and the increase in violence and some other things.

21 Jump Street is the definitive early 2010s teen movie! The contrast between Class of 2005 and class of 2010 is hilariously on point and represents the entire early 2010s in general. As someone who started in 2006 and graduated 2010, it felt like a contrast between my early high school and late high school years.

21 Jump Street is the definitive early 2010s teen movie! The contrast between Class of 2005 and class of 2010 is hilariously on point and represents the entire early 2010s in general. As someone who started in 2006 and graduated 2010, it felt like a contrast between my early high school and late high school years.


What the..? Wait, I thought you were Class of 2011! 😨 Weren't you born in February 1993? And isn't Canada's school system exactly like America's?


There was another small shift in 2015 as well. Like the transition to mid 2010s part 2. This was mainly due to the change of the economy (falling oil prices) and the increase in violence and some other things.


Yes, that was late 2015. The rest of 2015 wasn't peaceful, but it wasn't chaotic like 2015–16 was.

What the..? Wait, I thought you were Class of 2011! 😨 Weren't you born in February 1993? And isn't Canada's school system exactly like America's?


Actually, a lot of Canadian provinces make it different for the country's system. Even though Slim was born in February, which makes him eligible to go to Kindergarten in his local school. Despite that, the cutoff dates for most of their provinces are December 31 (much like my city's school districts).

What the..? Wait, I thought you were Class of 2011! 😨 Weren't you born in February 1993? And isn't Canada's school system exactly like America's?

Yes, that was late 2015. The rest of 2015 wasn't peaceful, but it wasn't chaotic like 2015–16 was.


Canada is a large country. Like NYE said, it depends on the province. And even within the provinces there are differences between the cities e.g. where I grew up in Hamilton there was no middle school, but when I moved to Toronto in Grade 7, there were middle schools. Same province, different cities, different systems. Most people in my graduating class were 17 IIRC, a lot were 18 too though. Grades aren't all that formal once you get into high school. I took Grade 11/12 math classes in Grade 10, and a Grade 11 economics class in Grade 12. Differences like that. There's a 5th year of highschool/Grade 13 as well. It was mandatory before 2003, then they got rid of it and made it optional lol, thank god.

In Québec they still have have a mandatory Grade 13 equivalent. Poor them lol. My province has two years of kindergarten though (I started school in 1996), so I guess it's the same size still.

Canada is a large country. Like NYE said, it depends on the province. And even within the provinces there are differences between the cities e.g. where I grew up in Hamilton there was no middle school, but when I moved to Toronto in Grade 7, there were middle schools. Same province, different cities, different systems. Most people in my graduating class were 17 IIRC, a lot were 18 too though. Grades aren't all that formal once you get into high school. I took Grade 11/12 math classes in Grade 10, and a Grade 11 economics class in Grade 12. Differences like that. There's a 5th year of highschool/Grade 13 as well. It was mandatory before 2003, then they got rid of it and made it optional lol, thank god.

In Québec they still have have a mandatory Grade 13 equivalent. Poor them lol. My province has two years of kindergarten though (I started school in 1996), so I guess it's the same size still.

Yeah exactly, it's different everywhere. In western Canada, most schools have middle school as grades 7 - 9 and highschool is grades 10 - 12. I am class of 2013 and I was born in 1995. I started highschool in 2010 which was grade 10.

Omg I completely forgot about this movie! 😍 The Perks of Being a Wallflower came out when I was a junior in high school in late 2012. It's both a very funny and a very heartbreaking movie. This is when Emma Watson finally broke away from her Harry Potter character IMO and it ended her typecasting years. It's a pretty accurate depiction of early 2010s teen culture, but I can't relate to it 100% because the movie focuses on the "wallflowers"—the kids in the background (in the real world) take center stage in this movie, whereas I was one of the normal kids. So "my type" received little focus in the film. Regardless, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great, now I have the itch to watch it again. 🙃

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/The_Perks_of_Being_a_Wallflower_Poster.jpg

**UPDATE**: The book takes place in the early '90s, and the movie makes no mention of it but it ostensibly takes place at the same time as the book.


21 Jump Street is the definitive early 2010s teen movie! The contrast between Class of 2005 and class of 2010 is hilariously on point and represents the entire early 2010s in general. As someone who started in 2006 and graduated 2010, it felt like a contrast between my early high school and late high school years.


??? 21 Jump Street isn't really a teen movie. The film came out in 2012, so I don't see the connection between Class of 2010 here.. It was also rated R, which doomed its accessibility to a widespread audience from the start. That movie seemed more geared towards adults.

Oh, no wonder! I'm going by the American school system, which is K-12. Kindergarten through 5th grade is Elementary/Primary School, 6th through 8th grade is Middle School/Junior High, and 9th through 12th grade is High School. People start Kindergarten when they are around 5/6 years of age. Most people turn 6 during their year in Kindergarten. The school enrollment birthdates go by September-August for most states. The child has to be age five before September 1st to be eligible for enrollment in Kindergarten.

I'm guessing you were born in early March? If you were in the American school system you would have started Kindergarten in 2004 and you would be the high school Class of 2017. Some districts/counties do Elementary from K-6th grade, Middle school from 7-9th, and High school from 10-12th. It's no surprise then I was confused by your statements! We're from two totally different countries!


The Australian school system is relatively similar. Primary/Elementary school is Kindergarten through to Year 6 (6th Grade) and High School is from Year 7 through to Year 12. Like the American school system, most people turn 6 during their year in Kindergarten, however you can start Kindergarten when you are turning 5 as well.

The major difference between the American and Australian school systems (apart from Middle School), are the enrollment dates. In Australia, the school year starts in Late January (either the 30th or 31st) and finishes in Mid December (normally between the 15-17th). To be eligible to start Kindergarten, the child needs to turn 5 before the 1st June. As a result, it really messes up the age cohort of the classes. I was originally supposed to start Kindergarten in 2004, roughly 1.5 months before my 5th birthday. However, I stayed in pre-school for another year and instead, I started Kindergarten in 2005.

Another example is that I have a cousin, who is only 2.5 weeks older than me. Because she started Kindergarten in the year she turned 5, she graduated from High School this year. However, I graduate from High School next year, because I started in the year I turned 6. The enrollment system really could do with an overhaul and I think it should be less flexible, like the American enrollment system. The oldest person in my year group was born in November 1998 (they repeated a year/grade) and the youngest was born in May 2000 (because they started at a young age). There is a 16 month age gap between the two of them, which is ridiculous. My birthday is the 13th March, by the way. You were close to guessing it! ;)

The 2010s aren't really a hallmark of teen films and tv shows. That demographic seems to be largely forgotten. But here are two teen movies that come as close as they can get to the style of teen movies from the '80s and '90s.

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Easy A was a movie that was released in late 2010. It was probably filmed sometime in either late 2009 or early 2010. This movie is somewhat a parody/homage to iconic '80s teen movies. The film was pretty funny when I first watched it, but as time flew by it started to appear increasingly disconnected from proper teen culture. First of all, it features Amanda Bynes, a relic of the 2000's who has retired from acting (and went crazy in the process). Second, all of the actors are way too old for their parts. As I've gotten older I've become a lot less appreciative of directors casting 22 year-olds as high schoolers. Then you have the clothes and the hairstyles, then the technology, then the music, and then the catchphrases and nicknames. Harlot? Trollop? Floozy?! *faints* Anyways.... Easy A isn't really much of a 2010s teen movie anyway, it's more late 2000's. Someone who graduated high school in 2010 or 2011 would probably relate to this movie very well, because that was their culture. But for Class of 2014 or 2015? No way.

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The Duff was released in early 2015. This one is much more in touch with the teen culture that was dominant at the time (and still is today, honestly). It was filmed in the summer of 2014, and it couldn't be more accurate of the culture of the time. Everything from the fashion (especially the fashion) to the social media, to the music, to the catchphrases. However, it wasn't perfect. The first half of the film largely consisted of caricatures of real teens, and the characters didn't show any depth until the second half of the movie. As with Easy A, most of the actors are too old for their roles. I didn't mind it though. I liked the movie more than Easy A. I related to the movie a lot more and it was much more representative of the culture of my own high school years. Like everything else from that time, it's a pretty nice mix of early and mid 2010's things.

Honestly, neither of these movies are going to age well as the years go on. But they are as close as we can get to depicting 2010s teen culture.


Easy A > The Duff all the way.  ;D

Maybe The Duff didn't resonate with me like Easy A because I graduated high school in 2005. I thought The Duff was trying too hard to appeal to teens but maybe it actually hit the mark. I feel Easy A is way more witty and charming. The anachronistic use of the words harlot, floozy, etc, was part of the charm. Spot on with Amanda Bynes. btw, I compared the ages and I might be wrong but it looks like most of the main cast of The Duff were older than the main cast in Easy A. It's true that Mae Whitman looked younger than Emma Stone.

Omg I completely forgot about this movie! 😍 The Perks of Being a Wallflower came out when I was a junior in high school in late 2012. It's both a very funny and a very heartbreaking movie. This is when Emma Watson finally broke away from her Harry Potter character IMO and it ended her typecasting years. It's a pretty accurate depiction of early 2010s teen culture, but I can't relate to it 100% because the movie focuses on the "wallflowers"—the kids in the background (in the real world) take center stage in this movie, whereas I was one of the normal kids. So "my type" received little focus in the film. Regardless, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great, now I have the itch to watch it again. 🙃

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/The_Perks_of_Being_a_Wallflower_Poster.jpg


That movie was pretty good, even if it was set in the early 90s (I think). In the book, it's set in the 1991-92 school year to the summer of 1992. I thought it would be the same in the movie, since it didn't have anything modern.

That movie was pretty good, even if it was set in the early 90s (I think). In the book, it's set in the 1991-92 school year to the summer of 1992. I thought it would be the same in the movie, since it didn't have anything modern.


Wait, really?!? I never read the book, so I never knew it took place in the past! I watched the movie and it never occurred to me that it took place in the early '90s! Now that I think about it, it really didn't have any modern technologies. And they made no references to modern pop music artists or video games consoles.. Yeah, I take that back. This film just focuses on general teen issues.

ArcticFox, would you agree with me that mid 2010s teens seem to be more "ironic" and self-deprecating than early 2010s teens?

Like, it feels like every Internet meme nowadays has to be ironic.

Wait, really?!? I never read the book, so I never knew it took place in the past! I watched the movie and it never occurred to me that it took place in the early '90s! Now that I think about it, it really didn't have any modern technologies. And they made no references to modern pop music artists or video games consoles.. Yeah, I take that back. This film just focuses on general teen issues.


Yeah, it didn't matter so much on how modern it was. It just focused on social issues with teens, since that's what the book was about. It also focused on how Charlie gets over his friendships within the story.

??? 21 Jump Street isn't really a teen movie. The film came out in 2012, so I don't see the connection between Class of 2010 here.. It was also rated R, which doomed its accessibility to a widespread audience from the start. That movie seemed more geared towards adults.


By "teen movie" do you mean movies we watched as teenagers, or movies that are about teens/high school? Because 21 Jump Street is set in high school.

By "teen movie" do you mean movies we watched as teenagers, or movies that are about teens/high school? Because 21 Jump Street is set in high school.


But 21 Jump Street's main characters are undercover cops. They go as high school students since that's where their case is at.

The 2010s aren't really a hallmark of teen films and tv shows. That demographic seems to be largely forgotten. But here are two teen movies that come as close as they can get to the style of teen movies from the '80s and '90s.


Teen Wolf (2011) is one of the only teen shows I can think of that was popular throughout our high school years. It started the summer after our freshman year ended, and it's on its final season right now. Throughout the 2010's most of the shows that's been popular towards us have been sci-fi, drama, horror, or based off comic books with huge story arcs. A lot of episodic/family sitcoms and teen shows haven't been popular towards our generation at all, it seems like the 2000's was the last full decade that was a huge thing. For most of us 2010's teens, the shows and movies we've been into don't appeal specifically to the teen demographic, they've appealed to the young adult 18+ demographic even though 14-17 year old's watch it too. You have your kid shows that appeal to the age 6-11 demographic, then your adult shows that appeal to the 18-49 demographic, but where has the age 12-17 (teen) demographic shows been lately? Maybe I'm not paying attention to them enough?

But 21 Jump Street's main characters are undercover cops. They go as high school students since that's where their case is at.


True, but much of the humor and story rests on how different high school in the 2010s is compared to high school in 2005.

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True, but much of the humor and story rests on how different high school in the 2010s is compared to high school in 2005.


Yes! The trailer puts it succinctly.

It's such a minor part of the movie, but the part where they debate whether to put on one or both straps of their bags was such a "that's so true!" moment for me and my friends  ;D I remember making a conscious effort to only have one of the straps on me in 2004-2008, because it looked more casual. After 2008+ it fell out of fashion and two straps is what all the cool kids were doing (or they got a messenger bag, also popular in the late 2000s)  ;D

True, but much of the humor and story rests on how different high school in the 2010s is compared to high school in 2005.

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I don't think that was important for the movie in general. They put in high school culture, since most of the people who watched it were recent high school graduates or current students. Plus, the movie was based off an old cop TV show that was around during the 80s. So they just did it as a plot scheme.

I don't think that was important for the movie in general. They put in high school culture, since most of the people who watched it were recent high school graduates or current students. Plus, the movie was based off an old cop TV show that was around during the 80s. So they just did it as a plot scheme.


The whole high school experience was a huge, if not the main part of the movie's plot.


Movie spoilers
I can't remember their names, but basically the muscular one was the popular jock in 2005, and the fat one was a loser nerd in 2005. Come over to the early 2010s and the nerd is now the cool geeky kid and the jock is a know-nothing knucklehead that no one wants to associate with.

The whole high school experience was a huge, if not the main part of the movie's plot.


Movie spoilers
I can't remember their names, but basically the muscular one was the popular jock in 2005, and the fat one was a loser nerd in 2005. Come over to the early 2010s and the nerd is now the cool geeky kid and the jock is a know-nothing knucklehead that no one wants to associate with.


This.

Yes! The trailer puts it succinctly.

It's such a minor part of the movie, but the part where they debate whether to put on one or both straps of their bags was such a "that's so true!" moment for me and my friends  ;D I remember making a conscious effort to only have one of the straps on me in 2004-2008, because it looked more casual. After 2008+ it fell out of fashion and two straps is what all the cool kids were doing (or they got a messenger bag, also popular in the late 2000s)  ;D

Funny how so much has changed in 7 years. The change between 2005 and 2012 was huge especially compared to 2016 vs. 2009. Those trends in the movie in 2012 have not gone away even today.

Funny how so much has changed in 7 years. The change between 2005 and 2012 was huge especially compared to 2016 vs. 2009. Those trends in the movie in 2012 have not gone away even today.


When do you think those trends will finally go away?

When do you think those trends will finally go away?

Tough to say. Maybe near the end of this decade.

Funny how so much has changed in 7 years. The change between 2005 and 2012 was huge especially compared to 2016 vs. 2009. Those trends in the movie in 2012 have not gone away even today.


Comparing 21 Jump Street to 2005 seems a bit different. There are people who think the 2000s and 2010s are the same, despite not looking on how different both decades are. So if you tell that to them, they would say that they didn't spot a difference.

Seems to me that preteens and tweens (so about age 8 to 14) is the new age target for music makers now. No wonder mainstream music is in the dumps. In general, a 10 year old just isn't as complex as a 26 year old!  :D

Seems to me that preteens and tweens (so about age 8 to 14) is the new age target for music makers now. No wonder mainstream music is in the dumps. In general, a 10 year old just isn't as complex as a 26 year old!  :D


Most mainstream music is targeted towards teens and young adults. The only difference is that they make new genres (or sub-genres) within each decade.

Seems to me that preteens and tweens (so about age 8 to 14) is the new age target for music makers now. No wonder mainstream music is in the dumps. In general, a 10 year old just isn't as complex as a 26 year old!  :D


I'm pretty confident a 12 year old would not be allowed to listen to a song like "Gold" or "Closer".

I'm pretty confident a 12 year old would not be allowed to listen to a song like "Gold" or "Closer".

I'm pretty sure more 12 year olds listen to those songs than any other age out there. Mainstream music target is pre-teens, it always has been and it always will be.

Seems to me that preteens and tweens (so about age 8 to 14) is the new age target for music makers now. No wonder mainstream music is in the dumps. In general, a 10 year old just isn't as complex as a 26 year old!  :D


A lot of my 26 year old friends/family still listen to mainstream music. A few months ago I witnessed the horror of one of them twerking to Work by Rihanna. It cannot be unseen.


I'm pretty confident a 12 year old would not be allowed to listen to a song like "Gold" or "Closer".


Closer by Chainsmokers right? It's not that explicit. My 11 year old sisters listen to it sometimes.

Edit: **although I get the general message of what you're trying to say  ;D

I'm pretty sure more 12 year olds listen to those songs than any other age out there. Mainstream music target is pre-teens, it always has been and it always will be.


It's also targeted towards teens, but it's true that pre-teens would most likely hear mainstream (or mature) music at an early age. Hell, I even listened to mature music when I was 11/12.

It's also targeted towards teens, but it's true that pre-teens would most likely hear mainstream (or mature) music at an early age. Hell, I even listened to mature music when I was 11/12.

I listened to mainstream music as young as 4. It's hard to escape because you hear it everywhere you go.

I listened to mainstream music as young as 4. It's hard to escape because you hear it everywhere you go.


Same here. The first mainstream song that I remember hearing was Kelis' Milkshake. I was about 5 years old when I heard it, lol.  ;D

I'm pretty sure more 12 year olds listen to those songs than any other age out there. Mainstream music target is pre-teens, it always has been and it always will be.


Not really. I'm studying marketing, and I recently just got into learning about music. It's generally aimed at high schoolers as well as the early college students. These people have the disposable income that 12 year olds do not—they have the power to make it happen. Besides, music is the #1 leader in popular culture. Everything else trails behind it. If music is targeted to a specific audience, then everything else has to as well.

You may be listening to music at a younger age than high school. Everyone does, but your high school years are when it matters the most.

Not really. I'm studying marketing, and I recently just got into learning about music. It's generally aimed at high schoolers as well as the early college students. These people have the disposable income that 12 year olds do not—they have the power to make it happen. Besides, music is the #1 leader in popular culture. Everything else trails behind it. If music is targeted to a specific audience, then everything else has to as well.

You may be listening to music at a younger age than high school. Everyone does, but your high school years are when it matters the most.

The parents pay for the music for their kids. Everyone knows mainstream music is targetting pre-teens and teens. Those in college may like it, but it's certainly not the age range that is the main target. Most college students I know don't like mainstream music.

The parents pay for the music for their kids. Everyone knows mainstream music is targetting pre-teens and teens. Those in college may like it, but it's certainly not the age range that is the main target. Most college students I know don't like mainstream music.


What do they dance to if they don't like mainstream music?  :o

The parents pay for the music for their kids. Everyone knows mainstream music is targetting pre-teens and teens. Those in college may like it, but it's certainly not the age range that is the main target. Most college students I know don't like mainstream music.


At this day and age, children could just listen to explicit songs on the Internet. It doesn't really matter if you buy an album. You could just go on Youtube, Spotify, or Pantera, and all you have to do is search up the song they like so much. There could be a possibility that their parents might catch them listening to it, but they'll still listen to songs with explicit content if they don't listen.

A lot of my 26 year old friends/family still listen to mainstream music. A few months ago I witnessed the horror of one of them twerking to Work by Rihanna. It cannot be unseen.

Closer by Chainsmokers right? It's not that explicit. My 11 year old sisters listen to it sometimes.

Edit: **although I get the general message of what you're trying to say  ;D


I've done things in my bedroom with hip music that shall never be revealed to the masses.

A lot of my 26 year old friends/family still listen to mainstream music. A few months ago I witnessed the horror of one of them twerking to Work by Rihanna. It cannot be unseen.


I feel you. The power of twerking may frighten some, but we could still survive from it.  ;)

I've done things in my bedroom with hip music that shall never be revealed to the masses.


Same tbh and I assure you that Rich Girl by Gwen Stefani which has the largest play count on my last.fm account which I've had since 2008 has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

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I feel you. The power of twerking may frighten some, but we could still survive from it.  ;)


But I barely survived  :\'(

But I barely survived  :\'(


Then be braver when you somebody twerk again.  8)

I'm pretty sure more 12 year olds listen to those songs than any other age out there. Mainstream music target is pre-teens, it always has been and it always will be.


I disagree that preteens are the main target audience for mainstream music. The core target audience for mainstream music is high school and college students (age 14-22), however, I do agree that 12 year old's do listen to mainstream music though. I started listening to mainstream music on a regular basis when I was 11 years old. I can remember the billboard charts and albums from 2007 like yesterday, but not 2006 & earlier though.

In Québec they still have have a mandatory Grade 13 equivalent. Poor them lol. My province has two years of kindergarten though (I started school in 1996), so I guess it's the same size still.
As someone who lives in a country where college is essentially late high school in disguise, I could empathize.

As someone who lives in a country where college is essentially late high school in disguise, I could empathize.


Yeah, in Quebec (and I think the UK too), the last two years of high school are called college. I guess that's true in a lot of countries.

I honestly say the main target audience is not just HS and college students, but even MS (Jr. High) as well especially since the stage after elementary and  before higher Ed. is considered secondary anyway. From reading sources, adolescence begins at 10/11 which is when an individual forms his or her identity and that includes music.

Not all mainstream music or even underground is mature as some people believe. Some of it is actually easy-listening especially when it comes to the most iconic tracks that everyone knows.

Same tbh and I assure you that Rich Girl by Gwen Stefani which has the largest play count on my last.fm account which I've had since 2008 has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

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But I barely survived  :\'(


;D

I honestly say the main target audience is not just HS and college students, but even MS (Jr. High) as well especially since the stage after elementary and  before higher Ed. is considered secondary anyway. From reading sources, adolescence begins at 10/11 which is when an individual forms his or her identity and that includes music.

Not all mainstream music or even underground is mature as some people believe. Some of it is actually easy-listening especially when it comes to the most iconic tracks that everyone knows.


I'd say most people entire duration of listening to mainstream or pop music on average is age 11-25. Age 11-13 are your early years when you're first getting into music. Age 14-22 is your core interest in music with age 18 being the peak. Age 23-25 are your late years when you start to slowly age out or lose interest. After that it's up to the person whether they still like the music coming out or not.

This chart looks interesting too!

https://musicmachinery.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/untitled_22.png

I'd say most people entire duration of listening to mainstream or pop music on average is age 11-25. Age 11-13 are your early years when you're first getting into music. Age 14-22 is your core interest in music with age 18 being the peak. Age 23-25 are your late years when you start to slowly age out or lose interest. After that it's up to the person whether they still like the music coming out or not.

This chart looks interesting too!

https://musicmachinery.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/untitled_22.png

Not everyone gets into music at that age. Everyone is different and has different experiences... All of those age ranges you put do not define everyone. It's impossible to know the exact ages.

Not everyone gets into music at that age. Everyone is different and has different experiences... All of those age ranges you put do not define everyone. It's impossible to know the exact ages.


It's an estimated statistic, what did you expect?

. Age 11-13 are your early years when you're first getting into music.


It wasn't like that for me my friend. ;D

It wasn't like that for me my friend. ;D

Me too. I was really into the mainstream stuff like 50 Cent and Eminem when I was 8 years old.

It wasn't like that for me my friend. ;D


Oh you don't have to tell me Eric lol I already know your story with the hip hop and R&B music from the mid 2000's!

Me too. I was really into the mainstream stuff like 50 Cent and Eminem when I was 8 years old.

Yea. I recall liking some of the boy bands at an early age due to them appearing on Zoog Disney. Then got into the R&B and Rock music thanks to WWE and video games. I got into drowning pool, Alter Bridge, Breaking Benjamin, Green Day, blink 182, usher, Jagged Edge, nelly, 112, Monica, Mary J Blidge, Romeo, Omarion, etc. :)

Oh you don't have to tell me Eric lol I already know your story with the hip hop and R&B music from the mid 2000's!

Yup! I always thank my Uncle for giving me a R&B tape in 2004. ;D

I honestly say the main target audience is not just HS and college students, but even MS (Jr. High) as well especially since the stage after elementary and  before higher Ed. is considered secondary anyway. From reading sources, adolescence begins at 10/11 which is when an individual forms his or her identity and that includes music.

Not all mainstream music or even underground is mature as some people believe. Some of it is actually easy-listening especially when it comes to the most iconic tracks that everyone knows.


I agree! You're most in tune with pop culture during your middle school, high school, & college years. So roughly age 11-22 or so.

Yea. I recall liking some of the boy bands at an early age due to them appearing on Zoog Disney. Then got into the R&B and Rock music thanks to WWE and video games. I got into drowning pool, Alter Bridge, Breaking Benjamin, Green Day, blink 182, usher, Jagged Edge, nelly, 112, Monica, Mary J Blidge, Romeo, Omarion, etc. :)


I used to love those bands during the late 2000s.

I'd say most people entire duration of listening to mainstream or pop music on average is age 11-25. Age 11-13 are your early years when you're first getting into music. Age 14-22 is your core interest in music with age 18 being the peak. Age 23-25 are your late years when you start to slowly age out or lose interest. After that it's up to the person whether they still like the music coming out or not.


For me, I would say that my core years for current musical interest were roughly 12-20 (or 1999-2007), with my peak being around 2002 or 2003. For some reason, I slowly began to lose interest in mainstream music (particularly rock) during the late 2000's, and this only increased after I left college. I haven't really paid that much attention at all to pop culture in the 2010's, to be honest.

If Gen Y winds up being divided between "'00s people" and "'10s people" (in the same way that Gen X is divided between "'80s people" and "'90s people) then I would definitely fall on the '00s side of the scale.

This chart looks interesting too!

https://musicmachinery.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/untitled_22.png


Hmm, that chart isn't very accurate, in my opinion. I couldn't imagine too many 64 year olds listening to Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry by choice. :P Also, The Beatles really appeal to all age demographics, not just people over the age of 65. My Dad is a massive fan of The Beatles and he is only 49. There are plenty of people who are around our age (and even younger) who like their music as well.

I disagree that preteens are the main target audience for mainstream music. The core target audience for mainstream music is high school and college students (age 14-22), however, I do agree that 12 year old's do listen to mainstream music though. I started listening to mainstream music on a regular basis when I was 11 years old. I can remember the billboard charts and albums from 2007 like yesterday, but not 2006 & earlier though.


You clearly don't remember 1999. Preteens and early teens were THE main audience.

You clearly don't remember 1999. Preteens and early teens were THE main audience.

That's true and 2000 as well. That's probably why a lot of people who were little kids at the time such as myself can relate to that time. :o

That's true and 2000 as well. That's probably why a lot of people who were little kids at the time such as myself can relate to that time. :o


Yeah I notice a lot of people nostalgic for the early 00s were in earlier childhood like being 5 or so.

You clearly don't remember 1999. Preteens and early teens were THE main audience.


What does me remembering 1999 have to do with what I just said? I'm talking about throughout the WHOLE history of mainstream music for several decades on average. Not just one year. My parents born in the mid to late 60's, when they reminisce music, they always talk about music from the 80's, not the 70's. Sure, throughout 1999 teenybopper music may have dominated the billboards, but how about 1985, 1994, 2001, 2007, 2010, or 2013? Yeah, that's what I thought. Don't come up with that weak ass post. It had nothing to do with my opinion from what I've noticed from most people growing up, not the minority....  ::)

Yeah I notice a lot of people nostalgic for the early 00s were in earlier childhood like being 5 or so.


How about those who were around age 6-12 during the early 2000's? I was 6 & 7 in 2002 & 2003!

You clearly don't remember 1999. Preteens and early teens were THE main audience.


What does not remembering 1999 have to do with his post? He's just saying that high school students are the main audience, no matter what decade are you talking about.

Yeah I notice a lot of people nostalgic for the early 00s were in earlier childhood like being 5 or so.


You noticed wrong, lol. A lot of teens and big kids of the time are nostalgic for the early 2000s.

Weirdly enough, I've noticed teens NOW getting nostalgic for the early 2000s, even though none of them can remember them except for maybe 18-19 year olds.

Weirdly enough, I've noticed teens NOW getting nostalgic for the early 2000s, even though none of them can remember them except for maybe 18-19 year olds.

That's very weird indeed.  But it's no surprise because these are the same people who said they miss the 90s and claim they are 90s kids even though they don't remember any of the years from the 90s. These same people said this when they were kids in the early 10s, now as teens they are moving on to their next target which is the early 2000s. Oh and I bet they will make some excuses and be like "The early 2000s didn't end until 2009!"  ::). I can't for the life of me understand why they think it's cool to reminisce about a time they don't remember. To each their own I guess lol.

Weirdly enough, I've noticed teens NOW getting nostalgic for the early 2000s, even though none of them can remember them except for maybe 18-19 year olds.


I could barely remember the early 2000s. The only years that I could remember from it are 2002 and 2003. But even then, it's not as strong as my mid-late 2000s memories.

The parents pay for the music for their kids. Everyone knows mainstream music is targetting pre-teens and teens. Those in college may like it, but it's certainly not the age range that is the main target. Most college students I know don't like mainstream music.


They do pay, but they regulate what they will and won't buy. If a song is too explicit or has several inappropriate references then they will not get it for their kids, and they usually put parental controls on their computer/iPhone/iPad/whatever device so the kids won't be able to view, see, or read anything inappropriate. They have their limitations and preteens/middle schoolers aren't the most trustworthy or stable market if you want to make money or introduce new and innovative musics.

That's high school. In adolescence, music is the #1 most important part of a teenager's life because they're impressionable and base their identities off the music that they listen to. Not only that, but that's when they start to discover their identities. They question who they are and examine themselves much more introspectively than they did every before. Pop music gives teens a vessel to stick to. And what they liked in their youth is generally what is likely to stick with them during adulthood.

Looking at consumer data, teens are the #1 biggest consumers of Top 40 music—especially Rap and Dance. People's interest recedes as they enter their 20's, especially during the college years. This is mostly due to lifestyle changes. As a matter of fact, going from both data and personal anecdotes, this is how I would rank the six most important ages for popular music demographics from most-to-least important/desirable.

High School Senior
College Freshman
High School Junior
College Sophomore
High School Sophomore
High School Freshman

As you can see, the high school senior is the top of the crop. And it's easy to see why. High school seniors generally have a very easy final year of school with very few worries. They have more free time than ever before. I certainly did. And what better way to enjoy that free time than through popular music? They also turn 18 that year, opening up a much wider range of possibilities and rights and privileges that they were denied beforehand. With almost everyone I know, their absolute favorite music tends to be that from their senior year of high school. The rest of the high school years are lower because of the business. Ranging from the lifestyle adjustment from late childhood to proper adolescence (high school freshman) to the heavy workload as well as perhaps athletic commitments and extra-curricular activities (sophomore and especially junior year). Don't forget preparing for the SATs and ACTs. 🙄

As for the early college students, it's not so much the fact they are in college itself as it is the after-effect of adolesence/their proximity to the high school years. A college Freshman is typically right out of high school, so their mindset is still very much attached to high school mentalities and lifestyles; It's been the basis of many online articles comparing the beginning and ending of someone's college career. Academically, freshman year of college is very easy—my junior year of high school and maybe even my sophomore year were more challenging and time-consuming. As for a college sophomore, it's generally about proximity. A 19/20 year old is just not too different from a 17/18 year old. You're still stuck in the same habits. You still talk the same. You still shop at the same stores. You still like the same kind of music. You probably also still interact with people the same way as you did when you were in high school.

So looking at the mini-chart, Class of 2017 is king of the hill this school year, Class of 2015 is in the twilight zone, and Class of 2020 is just getting started. My Class is now no longer there...

It really seems to be the junior year of college that everyone loses interest in all things new and hip. I have noticed that almost everyone in my graduating class has abandoned their somewhat-teenagerish fashions and now strive for a more grown up look. Sneakers are replaced with boat shoes. Khakis replace jeans. The North Face is now considered acceptable to wear. OCBDs are everywhere. Skirt lengths are getting longer. I'm now seeing pearl earrings and accessories. Beige cardigans and sweaters. Clothes that I considered "old" and "dowdy" for my age are now exactly what are being embraced. Now when my peers hear pop hits on the speakers they go "What's this?" whereas last year they were like, "Oh, I love this song!". Now they no longer talk about their favorite movie they just saw, how high they got last weekend, or whether they're going to the clubs tonight. Instead, they talk about wine-tasting, philosophy, and internships. And many of these people haven't even turned 21 yet!

Crap, now I feel old. 🙃

Fox, would you agree with me that mid 2010s teens seem to be more "ironic" and self-deprecating than early 2010s teens?

Like, it feels like all teenage humor (particularly Internet memes) nowadays has to be ironic.

Fox, would you agree with me that mid 2010s teens seem to be more "ironic" and self-deprecating than early 2010s teens?

Like, it feels like all teenage humor (particularly Internet memes) nowadays has to be ironic.


❓ What do you mean?

They do pay, but they regulate what they will and won't buy. If a song is too explicit or has several inappropriate references then they will not get it for their kids, and they usually put parental controls on their computer/iPhone/iPad/whatever device so the kids won't be able to view, see, or read anything inappropriate. They have their limitations and preteens/middle schoolers aren't the most trustworthy or stable market if you want to make money or introduce new and innovative musics.

That's high school. In adolescence, music is the #1 most important part of a teenager's life because they're impressionable and base their identities off the music that they listen to. Not only that, but that's when they start to discover their identities. They question who they are and examine themselves much more introspectively than they did every before. Pop music gives teens a vessel to stick to. And what they liked in their youth is generally what is likely to stick with them during adulthood.

Looking at consumer data, teens are the #1 biggest consumers of Top 40 music—especially Rap and Dance. People's interest recedes as they enter their 20's, especially during the college years. This is mostly due to lifestyle changes. As a matter of fact, going from both data and personal anecdotes, this is how I would rank the six most important ages for popular music demographics from most-to-least important/desirable.

High School Senior
College Freshman
High School Junior
College Sophomore
High School Sophomore
High School Freshman

As you can see, the high school senior is the top of the crop. And it's easy to see why. High school seniors generally have a very easy final year of school with very few worries. They have more free time than ever before. I certainly did. And what better way to enjoy that free time than through popular music? They also turn 18 that year, opening up a much wider range of possibilities and rights and privileges that they were denied beforehand. With almost everyone I know, their absolute favorite music tends to be that from their senior year of high school. The rest of the high school years are lower because of the business. Ranging from the lifestyle adjustment from late childhood to proper adolescence (high school freshman) to the heavy workload as well as perhaps athletic commitments and extra-curricular activities (sophomore and especially junior year). Don't forget preparing for the SATs and ACTs. 🙄

As for the early college students, it's not so much the fact they are in college itself as it is the after-effect of adolesence/their proximity to the high school years. A college Freshman is typically right out of high school, so their mindset is still very much attached to high school mentalities and lifestyles; It's been the basis of many online articles comparing the beginning and ending of someone's college career. Academically, freshman year of college is very easy—my junior year of high school and maybe even my sophomore year were more challenging and time-consuming. As for a college sophomore, it's generally about proximity. A 19/20 year old is just not too different from a 17/18 year old. You're still stuck in the same habits. You still talk the same. You still shop at the same stores. You still like the same kind of music. You probably also still interact with people the same way as you did when you were in high school.

So looking at the mini-chart, Class of 2017 is king of the hill this school year, Class of 2015 is in the twilight zone, and Class of 2020 is just getting started. My Class is now no longer there...
Does this mindset also apply to those who have been out of college for a year or two?

❓ What do you mean?

I'm talking about stuff like Harambe, Bee Movie, or The Nutshack memes, where it seems like the goal is to be as lame and cringeworthy as possible because that's what counts as funny these days

They do pay, but they regulate what they will and won't buy. If a song is too explicit or has several inappropriate references then they will not get it for their kids, and they usually put parental controls on their computer/iPhone/iPad/whatever device so the kids won't be able to view, see, or read anything inappropriate. They have their limitations and preteens/middle schoolers aren't the most trustworthy or stable market if you want to make money or introduce new and innovative musics.

That's high school. In adolescence, music is the #1 most important part of a teenager's life because they're impressionable and base their identities off the music that they listen to. Not only that, but that's when they start to discover their identities. They question who they are and examine themselves much more introspectively than they did every before. Pop music gives teens a vessel to stick to. And what they liked in their youth is generally what is likely to stick with them during adulthood.

Looking at consumer data, teens are the #1 biggest consumers of Top 40 music—especially Rap and Dance. People's interest recedes as they enter their 20's, especially during the college years. This is mostly due to lifestyle changes. As a matter of fact, going from both data and personal anecdotes, this is how I would rank the six most important ages for popular music demographics from most-to-least important/desirable.

High School Senior
College Freshman
High School Junior
College Sophomore
High School Sophomore
High School Freshman

As you can see, the high school senior is the top of the crop. And it's easy to see why. High school seniors generally have a very easy final year of school with very few worries. They have more free time than ever before. I certainly did. And what better way to enjoy that free time than through popular music? They also turn 18 that year, opening up a much wider range of possibilities and rights and privileges that they were denied beforehand. With almost everyone I know, their absolute favorite music tends to be that from their senior year of high school. The rest of the high school years are lower because of the business. Ranging from the lifestyle adjustment from late childhood to proper adolescence (high school freshman) to the heavy workload as well as perhaps athletic commitments and extra-curricular activities (sophomore and especially junior year). Don't forget preparing for the SATs and ACTs. 🙄

As for the early college students, it's not so much the fact they are in college itself as it is the after-effect of adolesence/their proximity to the high school years. A college Freshman is typically right out of high school, so their mindset is still very much attached to high school mentalities and lifestyles; It's been the basis of many online articles comparing the beginning and ending of someone's college career. Academically, freshman year of college is very easy—my junior year of high school and maybe even my sophomore year were more challenging and time-consuming. As for a college sophomore, it's generally about proximity. A 19/20 year old is just not too different from a 17/18 year old. You're still stuck in the same habits. You still talk the same. You still shop at the same stores. You still like the same kind of music. You probably also still interact with people the same way as you did when you were in high school.

So looking at the mini-chart, Class of 2017 is king of the hill this school year, Class of 2015 is in the twilight zone, and Class of 2020 is just getting started. My Class is now no longer there...

It doesn't mean they don't listen to it. With a simple click of a button any nine year old can go online and listen to whatever song they please on YouTube. These days parental control is not enough. It's just the way it is and it was the way it was when I grew up too.

I'm talking about stuff like Harambe, Bee Movie, or The Nutshack memes, where it seems like the goal is to be as lame and cringeworthy as possible because that's what counts as funny these days


As someone who see those memes daily (especially The Nutshack), it's more on making fun of the content rather than making it funny. When The Nutshack was made, nobody really gave a crap about the show in general. When cartoon reviewers started to watch it around late 2015, people started to make mashups with it (especially SilvaGunner). Same with the Bee Movie. Although, internet culture has been around with adolescents at least since the early 2000s.

As someone who see those memes daily (especially The Nut shack), it's more on making fun of the content rather than making it funny. When The Nutshack was made, nobody really gave a crap about the show in general. When cartoon reviewers started to watch it around late 2015, people started to make mashups with it (especially SilvaGunner). Same with the Bee Movie. Although, internet culture has been around with adolescents at least since the early 2000s.


I think it's a good thing I don't know these, except Harambe (which I hate too).  :o

re: prime music age. I think in this age of Godify Spotify, it's going to become less and less true that only high schoolers/college kids pay for music. I listened to more new music in 2014-2016 (since Google Play Music launched in Cnaada) than I did 2010-2013, and my 11-year old sisters have their own accounts too with hundreds of songs in their playlists. And like I said, I have a lot of friends in our early-mid 20s that still listen to the latest music on their trap and EDM playlists, as can be seen on my Spotify feed.

edit: eek when you see one of your high school friends listening to Zendaya. This was a mistake.

I think it's a good thing I don't know these, except Harambe (which I hate too).  :o


Yeah, those memes are already dying since nobody else is using them. I never really cared about the show in general, but I was occupied with listening to different versions of the theme song for two months.

Class of 2014 were in high school for a good part of the mid 2010's.

Barely... ;D

Does this mindset also apply to those who have been out of college for a year or two?


No, I don't think so. Anecdotally, people start to fall out of the loop in newest and latest popular culture around their junior year of college, so around 20/21. With junior year of college, the workload I hear gets really bad (I'm not there yet...) and living a non-academic life gets significantly more stressful. It's perhaps a person's biggest push into adulthood. Most college juniors are very different people compared to how they were when they were seniors in high school or freshman in college. I notice that the college upperclassmen years are when people start to get more into adult-like things, and start to explore their niché, instead of trying out everything that is cool at once. Because they lose interest and are not as keen-eyed about the newest and latest singles and the newest and latest fashions, they no longer matter demographically. Marketers have no interest in appealing to them, especially if their focus is on the teen market (where they can still grab the attention of early college students). And don't even get me started on the senior year of college. A college senior is absolutely too old for popular music. By then, they are set in their ways and are only interested in listening to more obscure forms of new music. Catching a very small handful of songs doesn't count.


I'm talking about stuff like Harambe, Bee Movie, or The Nutshack memes, where it seems like the goal is to be as lame and cringeworthy as possible because that's what counts as funny these days


Oh, well in that case I'm not completely certain. I don't really pay too much attention to teen internet trends (except for JuJu On That Beat) so I'm really not the most qualified person to answer that question. But NewYorkEagle gave a very solid and well thought-out answer, being that he is a mid-2010's teen.


It doesn't mean they don't listen to it. With a simple click of a button any nine year old can go online and listen to whatever song they please on YouTube. These days parental control is not enough. It's just the way it is and it was the way it was when I grew up too.


Yes, I am aware of that. I didn't say they didn't do it all; everyone starts listening to music at a very young age, regardless of their access to it. I was listening to CDs in my player when I was in elementary school. What I  really mean is that that age group doesn't matter, financially speaking. At that age you can't go to concerts, you don't have the money to buy merchandise, and people just don't want you around. If you go to a Drake concert for instance you're likely to find a bunch of high schoolers there, as well as adults who were in high school during Drake's earlier years. Most Top 40 music is distinctly American: American-styled, American-inspired, American-influenced, American-made, and American-based. There could be cultural differences as well between the USA and Canada.


I think it's a good thing I don't know these, except Harambe (which I hate too).  :o

re: prime music age. I think in this age of Godify Spotify, it's going to become less and less true that only high schoolers/college kids pay for music. I listened to more new music in 2014-2016 (since Google Play Music launched in Cnaada) than I did 2010-2013, and my 11-year old sisters have their own accounts too with hundreds of songs in their playlists. And like I said, I have a lot of friends in our early-mid 20s that still listen to the latest music on their trap and EDM playlists, as can be seen on my Spotify feed.

edit: eek when you see one of your high school friends listening to Zendaya. This was a mistake.


Hmmm.... the current school year and the previous school year? Yes. But Anything before 2015–16 really doesn't belong. Maybe you could extend it to the summer of 2015 but I wouldn't go any earlier.

Barely... ;D


Summer 2013, 2013–14, and Summer 2014. That's a pretty large chunk considering I define adolescence as only a four year period (4.25 if you want to get really technical). And if you're going to define 2012–13 as a transitional period between the early and mid 2010's (which I really, really don't) then you'd be proving my case even more. ;)

Oh, well in that case I'm not completely certain. I don't really pay too much attention to teen internet trends (except for JuJu On That Beat) so I'm really not the most qualified person to answer that question. But NewYorkEagle gave a very solid and well thought-out answer, being that he is a mid-2010's teen.


I'm a bit of an early 2010s teen, but I was only 13 in December 2012. So.., you're right with calling me as a mid 2010s teen.

Summer 2013, 2013–14, and Summer 2014. That's a pretty large chunk considering I define adolescence as only a four year period (4.25 if you want to get really technical). And if you're going to define 2012–13 as a transitional period between the early and mid 2010's (which I really, really don't) then you'd be proving my case even more. ;)

I need to make a 2013 cultural debate in the future, cause 2013-14 still felt transitional like 2012-13 was.

Hmmm.... the current school year and the previous school year? Yes. But Anything before 2015–16 really doesn't belong. Maybe you could extend it to the summer of 2015 but I wouldn't go any earlier.


I'm not sure what you mean. Did you bold the wrong line/quote the wrong post?  ;D

Anecdotally, people start to fall out of the loop in newest and latest popular culture around their junior year of college, so around 20/21. With junior year of college, the workload I hear gets really bad (I'm not there yet...) and living a non-academic life gets significantly more stressful. It's perhaps a person's biggest push into adulthood. Most college juniors are very different people compared to how they were when they were seniors in high school or freshman in college. I notice that the college upperclassmen years are when people start to get more into adult-like things, and start to explore their niché, instead of trying out everything that is cool at once. Because they lose interest and are not as keen-eyed about the newest and latest singles and the newest and latest fashions, they no longer matter demographically. And don't even get me started on the senior year of college. A college senior is absolutely too old for popular music. By then, they are set in their ways and are only interested in listening to more obscure forms of new music. Catching a very small handful of songs doesn't count.

It's INSANE how your last two years of college are vastly different from your first two years. :o ;D

I need to make a 2013 cultural debate in the future, cause 2013-14 still felt transitional like 2012-13 was.

Yeah 2013 - 2014 was transitional. 2012 - 2013 wasn't. The only transition that happened was in the year 2013 in my opinion.

I need to make a 2013 cultural debate in the future, cause 2013-14 still felt transitional like 2012-13 was.


Like what most people said about 2013, it was rather transitional. I don't know why you need to make a cultural debate. Also, not to get really personal on this, but I didn't like at least half of 2013. Not as much as 2012, but remembering the 2012-13 school year for me is like going through Vietnam in the late 60s.

It's INSANE how your last two years of college are vastly different from your first two years. :o ;D

I only started university 2 years ago, but 21 year old me is insanely different from 18 year old me.

Like what most people said about 2013, it was rather transitional. I don't know why you need to make a cultural debate. Also, not to get really personal on this, but I didn't like at least half of 2013. Not as much as 2012, but remembering the 2012-13 school year for me is like going through Vietnam in the late 60s.

Late 2012 (first semester of the 12' - 13' school year) was hell for me too. The worst period of my life.

It's INSANE how your last two years of college are vastly different from your first two years. :o ;D



I only started university 2 years ago, but 21 year old me is insanely different from 18 year old me.
Yeah, it depends on when some people began college and how long they have been there. Some of my peers started university or CC at 18, and they are still there either finishing up their associates, bachelors or masters.

It really seems to be the junior year of college that everyone loses interest in all things new and hip. I have noticed that almost everyone in my graduating class has abandoned their somewhat-teenagerish fashions and now strive for a more grown up look. Sneakers are replaced with boat shoes. Khakis replace jeans. The North Face is now considered acceptable to wear. OCBDs are everywhere. Skirt lengths are getting longer. I'm now seeing pearl earrings and accessories. Beige cardigans and sweaters. Clothes that I considered "old" and "dowdy" for my age are now exactly what are being embraced. Now when my peers hear pop hits on the speakers they go "What's this?" whereas last year they were like, "Oh, I love this song!". Now they no longer talk about their favorite movie they just saw, how high they got last weekend, or whether they're going to the clubs tonight. Instead, they talk about wine-tasting, philosophy, and internships. And many of these people haven't even turned 21 yet!

Crap, now I feel old. 🙃

Yeah I've felt this way as well too. My mindset has somewhat changed to a degree. I don't care for or talk about my new fav film or tv show. I definitely don't care for the gaming industry like I once did. What I do care about is focusing on my major, Transitoning to the workforce, finding some more sports bars, I don't really care for these new artists coming on the scene either.  :o

Like what most people said about 2013, it was rather transitional. I don't know why you need to make a cultural debate. Also, not to get really personal on this, but I didn't like at least half of 2013. Not as much as 2012, but remembering the 2012-13 school year for me is like going through Vietnam in the late 60s.

I think I should have said might instead of need. ;D

Yeah I've felt this way as well too. My mindset has somewhat changed to a degree. I don't care for or talk about my new fav film or tv show. I definitely don't care for the gaming industry like I once did. What I do care about is focusing on my major, Transitoning to the workforce, finding some more sports bars, I don't really care for these new artists coming on the scene either.  :o
What is your career BTW?

Late 2012 (first semester of the 12' - 13' school year) was hell for me too. The worst period of my life.


The late 2012 semester I could bare, but the early 2013 semester was like the sh*ttiest time of my life. Don't even get me started on what I did at the time.

What is your career BTW?

Political Science.
Then I'll go to graduate school, and then find some good places to work around here.

You guys are getting kind of old.

Yeah I've felt this way as well too. My mindset has somewhat changed to a degree. I don't care for or talk about my new fav film or tv show. I definitely don't care for the gaming industry like I once did. What I do care about is focusing on my major, Transitoning to the workforce, finding some more sports bars, I don't really care for these new artists coming on the scene either.  :o


I hope you finish. My father (we're from Vietnam) got his associates. Then planned to get his Bachelor's. Then came the Vietnam war, his physical health decayed, and he never finished his bachelor's. I feel bad for him, but also it gives me motivation to go back to school one day. One day when I'm in a better mental space.

Political Science.
Then I'll go to graduate school, and then find some good places to work around here.
Oh awesome. :) Mine is art and i'm planning to transfer to university once I'm done with CC.

You guys are getting kind of old.

Yeah kinda. ;D ;)

No, I don't think so. Anecdotally, people start to fall out of the loop in newest and latest popular culture around their junior year of college, so around 20/21. With junior year of college, the workload I hear gets really bad (I'm not there yet...) and living a non-academic life gets significantly more stressful. It's perhaps a person's biggest push into adulthood. Most college juniors are very different people compared to how they were when they were seniors in high school or freshman in college. I notice that the college upperclassmen years are when people start to get more into adult-like things, and start to explore their niché, instead of trying out everything that is cool at once. Because they lose interest and are not as keen-eyed about the newest and latest singles and the newest and latest fashions, they no longer matter demographically. Marketers have no interest in appealing to them, especially if their focus is on the teen market (where they can still grab the attention of early college students). And don't even get me started on the senior year of college. A college senior is absolutely too old for popular music. By then, they are set in their ways and are only interested in listening to more obscure forms of new music. Catching a very small handful of songs doesn't count.
Actually, that's something I have noticed as well. I may be in CC, but I don't see anyone talking about the latest things in pop  culture unless they are still interested. Most of them are either around the ages you're talking about or over them.

Yeah I've felt this way as well too. My mindset has somewhat changed to a degree. I don't care for or talk about my new fav film or tv show. I definitely don't care for the gaming industry like I once did. What I do care about is focusing on my major, Transitoning to the workforce, finding some more sports bars, I don't really care for these new artists coming on the scene either.  :o


If there's any music that I like these days it's only from artists who's been around since the beginning of this decade or the end of last decade who I'm still into. Like Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Eminem, Katy Perry, etc. if they come out with really good music once in a while. Any new artists that's been around since the mid 2010's or so I don't bother. I still care about TV shows though but only the drama, horror or comic book related ones with deep story arcs, not the formulaic living room sitcoms, those are so dead. You can find a lot of good comic book or sci-fi shows on The CW or HBO. Westworld is the newest show I might get into soon. Binge watching and catching up with shows on Netflix can be real fun! Can't wait to start going into sports bars next season!

If there's any music that I like these days it's only from artists who's been around since the beginning of this decade or the end of last decade who I'm still into. Like Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Eminem, Katy Perry, etc. if they come out with really good music once in a while. Any new artists that's been around since the mid 2010's or so I don't bother. I still care about TV shows though but only the drama, horror or comic book related ones with deep story arcs, not the formulaic living room sitcoms, those are so dead. You can find a lot of good comic book or sci-fi shows on The CW or HBO. Westworld is the newest show I might get into soon. Binge watching and catching up with shows on Netflix can be real fun! Can't wait to start going into sports bars next season!

Yup Yup. This is all me. I don't care for these newer artists coming out.
Also regarding TV, the only comedy type shows I enjoy are Modern Family and Blackish. I'm a comic book, sci if, and mini series type person. I need to check out Westworld though.

You guys are getting kind of old.

Never!  8)

Honestly the only mainstream culture I enjoy right now is Game of Thrones.

Honestly the only mainstream culture I enjoy right now is Game of Thrones.


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Because of people like you Brexit and Tr*mp happened

Watch House of Cards, Stranger Things, Scandal, Orange Is The New Black and The Flash and atone for your sins.

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Because of people like you Brexit and Tr*mp happened

Watch House of Cards, Stranger Things, Scandal, Orange Is The New Black and The Flash and atone for your sins.


I would just say watch those shows in bold. @Slim95

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Because of people like you Brexit and Tr*mp happened

Watch House of Cards, Stranger Things, Scandal, Orange Is The New Black and The Flash and atone for your sins.


You've been watching The Flash? If so what season are you on?

You've been watching The Flash? If so what season are you on?


I watched a few of the episodes during the summer with my brother. He filled me in on the previous stuff. I haven't kept up with this new season though.  :-\\

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Because of people like you Brexit and Tr*mp happened

Watch House of Cards, Stranger Things, Scandal, Orange Is The New Black and The Flash and atone for your sins.

Game of Thrones is awesome! The best show out now. I thought you loved GoT? I may be confusing you with another guy who said he loved it here.

Game of Thrones is awesome! The best show out now. I thought you loved GoT? I may be confusing you with another guy who said he loved it here.


No, no, that was me, I love GoT! The books and the show! It's just that you said it was the only thing you liked. That GIF was just a joke.  ;D

No, no, that was me, I love GoT! The books and the show! It's just that you said it was the only thing you liked. That GIF was just a joke.  ;D

Okay cool haha. Yeah I'm very apathetic towards the whole Trump era thing.

I watched a few of the episodes during the summer with my brother. He filled me in on the previous stuff. I haven't kept up with this new season though.  :-\\


Make sure you finish the first 2 seasons on Netflix ASAP.

Game of Thrones is awesome! The best show out now. I thought you loved GoT? I may be confusing you with another guy who said he loved it here.


I love Game of Thrones too! I just started the series recently on HBO Go. Hopefully soon I'll be caught up!

I love Game of Thrones too! I just started the series recently on HBO Go. Hopefully soon I'll be caught up!


After the season 1 finale, you'll want to watch the rest in one go  ;D

After the season 1 finale, you'll want to watch the rest in one go  ;D


"Why didn't you save her!" "Why!" "WHY!" "You could've had the life you wanted!" "YOU COULD OF HAD EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED!!!!!"

guess where that quote comes from?

"Why didn't you save her!" "Why!" "WHY!" "You could've had the life you wanted!" "YOU COULD OF HAD EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED!!!!!"

guess where that quote comes from?


I only watched the second half of Season 2 (the episodes that aired April/May after I finished school). The show is on tonight, right? Maybe I'll get into it so I'm not watching it later  ;D

I only watched the second half of Season 2 (the episodes that aired April/May after I finished school). The show is on tonight, right? Maybe I'll get into it so I'm not watching it later  ;D


It is on tonight, if you haven't been caught up with season 3 then I highly recommend not to watch it. I think if possible, you should go back to the middle of season 1 to understand what's going on. What makes The Flash really interesting is that it gets you into the story arch of the Flash comics and you become familiar with all of his villains. Throughout the past half century in DC comics everything has only been focused on Batman or Superman. I'm pretty sure 90% of casual comic book fans can name all the Batman villains while 60% of them can name all the Superman villains, but The Flash (TV series)  is something that feels so original and fresh off and this series is a perfect balance of action and drama, and for a casual comic book fan like me I've never been more familiar with The Flash's story after discovering this series a couple of years ago. I've only been familiar with Batman or Superman's background for most of my life until The Flash came out 2 years ago.

Yeah, in Quebec (and I think the UK too), the last two years of high school are called college. I guess that's true in a lot of countries.

I do live in a country with a four-year university cycle, but it's just that if you study in a small college in my country, it still feels like high school, complete with immature classmates who'd look like Jacob Sartorius if their physical maturity matched their mental maturity.

Well look what we have here, American Eagle Outfitters' Summer 2009 Collection.

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This looks pretty early 2010s! It's only just one segment of early 2010s fashion, which was very diverse, and these pictures are only just models wearing clothes from popular and somewhat expensive stores. Nevertheless, I think I've proved myself right when I say that early 2010's fashion began in summer 2009 (Okay, that sounded really egotistical).

One thing that I really like about American Eagle is that unlike Abercrombie & Fitch they actually manage to keep up with the trends, and sometimes even be ahead of the curve (when it comes to teen fashion that is). They always seem to be right on time and that's why they remain relevant to this day. Abercrombie & Fitch didn't catch up with the rest of mainstream fashion until the Fall of 2015. Yikes.

And here is American Eagle's Summer 2013 Collection. Now this is what I call stylish!

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I remember when this first hit stores! I was so excited. The early 2010's look was fun and colorful, but it did not age well and at the end of its shelf-life it had become very cheesy. Everything was done to death. This one was so much freer, more relaxed. It was comfortable, it was under-the-top, and it was tastefully made. That's why it became popular in the first place. That's always why a new look becomes cool—the combination of unfamiliarity and tastefulness becomes a breath of fresh air. As that said "new look" ages and the years pass by people add extra twists to it and the look is no longer the way it was in the beginning. At the end of its life cycle, the style becomes tacky and cartoonish, and that signifies it's time for a new look. That's exactly what has become of "The Mid 2010's" Look—it looks cheesy now. Although you can find better versions of it at AEO and Zumiez, just hop into any Forever 21 or H&M store and you can see just how ridiculous it looks now.

I do miss the early 2010's style. This decade is consistent, but in terms of fashion it's slightly rapid in its changes. 2012 fashion would certainly look different form 2018 fashion despite the 6 year difference.

I miss the early 2010s too  :\'(

Those pictures put me in a warm place. Thankfully I still have a lot of my late 2000s/early 2010s clothes. Hopefully they last.  :D

I do miss the early 2010's style. This decade is consistent, but in terms of fashion it's slightly rapid in its changes. 2012 fashion would certainly look different form 2018 fashion despite the 6 year difference.


Popular culture has always changed at a rapid pace. 4 years is a long time in the pop culture world. Trends always change every four years—basically the beginning of a new Presidential term (if we're going by American culture that is). Just look at any term and it totally makes sense.

Popular culture has always changed at a rapid pace. 4 years is a long time in the pop culture world. Trends always change every four years—basically the beginning of a new Presidential term (if we're going by American culture that is). Just look at any term and it totally makes sense.


Just realized how true this was. Heck going to common places such as Wikipedia shows this. Go to any decade of fashion and Wiki would separate it by 3-4 years of trends. Some trends stay for a while, but most of the bigger trends will change. A bit curious on things like the Hipster fashion. Wonder if teens would still be into it by the late 2010s.

Just interesting that the fashion trends that we see today would be gone by 2020 or 2021. Wonder what comes next. Hope we can go back to the colorful fashion styles like the time periods before.

I miss the early 2010s too  :\'(

Those pictures put me in a warm place. Thankfully I still have a lot of my late 2000s/early 2010s clothes. Hopefully they last.  :D


I'm that kind of guy who only updates his fashion once my old clothes become too worn out to wear. I know have a lot of early 2010s clothes in my closet. If going by the Wiki my fashion is basically a mix of the Neon fashion and the Skater fashion.  Up until recently may fashion has been the same since the 2003/4.

I'm that kind of guy who only updates his fashion once my old clothes become too worn out to wear. I know have a lot of early 2010s clothes in my closet. If going by the Wiki my fashion is basically a mix of the Neon fashion and the Skater fashion.  Up until recently may fashion has been the same since the 2003/4.


Yess, the neon!  :D

Just interesting that the fashion trends that we see today would be gone by 2020 or 2021. Wonder what comes next. Hope we can go back to the colorful fashion styles like the time periods before.


I think it's going to be even earlier. What we have now hasn't changed dramatically since 2013. Media (particularly music and clothing) have major changes during the first year of a new Presidential Term. Going from the early '90s to the present, I see it as this (full eras only, not small hints beforehand).

Spring 1989: beginning of early '90s
Spring 1993: beginning of mid '90s
Summer 1997: start of late '90s
Summer 2001: start of early '00s
Summer 2005: start of late '00s
Summer 2009: start of early '10s
Summer 2013: start of mid '10s

Pretty much 2017. That's how the pattern has always been since maybe, the 1950's? Perhaps even earlier. Of course the early part of the year isn't going to be different but I guess it will be different around Summertime and by year's end everything will look, feel, and sound totally unfamiliar. It happened with 2013, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens once again with 2017.

Easy A > The Duff all the way.  ;D

Maybe The Duff didn't resonate with me like Easy A because I graduated high school in 2005. I thought The Duff was trying too hard to appeal to teens but maybe it actually hit the mark. I feel Easy A is way more witty and charming. The anachronistic use of the words harlot, floozy, etc, was part of the charm. Spot on with Amanda Bynes. btw, I compared the ages and I might be wrong but it looks like most of the main cast of The Duff were older than the main cast in Easy A. It's true that Mae Whitman looked younger than Emma Stone.


Oh, for sure, Easy A is the better movie if we're talking about content and execution. It had better jokes and yes, it was more witty, though I wouldn't exactly say charming. It was dorkalicious, which is what made it so appealing anyway. But in terms of accuracy and relevance, it wasn't so great. When I say "accuracy" and "relevance", I'm particularly alluding to 2010s culture; since it was a movie that came out in 2010, future generations and critics will associate the film with the 2010s, and they will point to it as a movie that portrays "teen culture" in the 2010s, even though the early 2010s (my early 2010s) were actually very different from what the film had displayed. Not only that, but the cast/characters also wore a lot of late 2000's fashion trends and listened to a lot of late 2000's music, all of which were out of style by the time I had started my freshman year of high school.

The Duff was admittedly choppy, and a little bit rushed, but I felt like it was a little more realistic than Easy A (IRL Olive's parents would have sent her to boarding school when they found out what happened). Mostly because of it's portrayal of teen culture. The Duff was accurate—from the clothes that they wear, to the music that they listen to, to the way that they speak, to the way that they think, and for the most part to way that they use social media. This film was more in line with my later high school years, and it totally shows. Just for the record, a movie doesn't have to be accurate to be good. A movie can be totally out of style and still be awesome. Easy A is a higher quality movie, but The Duff was more in-touch with 2010s teen culture.

Teen Wolf (2011) is one of the only teen shows I can think of that was popular throughout our high school years. It started the summer after our freshman year ended, and it's on its final season right now. Throughout the 2010's most of the shows that's been popular towards us have been sci-fi, drama, horror, or based off comic books with huge story arcs. A lot of episodic/family sitcoms and teen shows haven't been popular towards our generation at all, it seems like the 2000's was the last full decade that was a huge thing. For most of us 2010's teens, the shows and movies we've been into don't appeal specifically to the teen demographic, they've appealed to the young adult 18+ demographic even though 14-17 year old's watch it too. You have your kid shows that appeal to the age 6-11 demographic, then your adult shows that appeal to the 18-49 demographic, but where has the age 12-17 (teen) demographic shows been lately? Maybe I'm not paying attention to them enough?


Yep, there's Teen Wolf, which is more of a romantic drama. It didn't really follow the typical tv season schedule though, and the main protagonist didn't even start his senior year until season 5, despite having started the series as a high schooler. You could also put Vampire Diaries in there too, but the high school setting was never a big focus anyway. On the comedy side, the TeenNick sitcom Victorious is also another teen show, an early 2010's one at that. I was a big fan of that show when it aired, especially in my sophomore year. iCarly is another popular sitcom from that channel, but since it premiered in 2007 and ended in 2012, I consider it a late 2000's teen show. The last distinctly 2010's teen show I can think of is Finding Carter, which premiered on MTV in 2014, but it only lasted two seasons. It's a shame, it was really good.

Yep, there's Teen Wolf, which is more of a romantic drama. It didn't really follow the typical tv season schedule though, and the main protagonist didn't even start his senior year until season 5, despite having started the series as a high schooler. You could also put Vampire Diaries in there too, but the high school setting was never a big focus anyway. On the comedy side, the TeenNick sitcom Victorious is also another teen show, an early 2010's one at that. I was a big fan of that show when it aired, especially in my sophomore year. iCarly is another popular sitcom from that channel, but since it premiered in 2007 and ended in 2012, I consider it a late 2000's teen show. The last distinctly 2010's teen show I can think of is Finding Carter, which premiered on MTV in 2014, but it only lasted two seasons. It's a shame, it was really good.


While iCarly and Victorious are considered as teen drama/sitcom shows, I think those teen shows are more of a mixture of kiddy and teen combined. Those are rated TV-G. Last time I checked months ago (if I remember correctly) the target audience for Teen Nick shows or live-action Nick shows with teen comedy in it are ages 8-16. Teen Wolf and Vampire Diaries (which are rated TV-14 on the other hand) are teen shows that are only for the core teenage audience and folks in their early 20's, and it's on The CW of course. Oh, and I see your point completely. While Drake & Josh and Ned's Declassified aren't teen dramas at all obviously, those were the only live-action Nick shows I had a craze for growing up. I watched iCarly once in a while with my sister. I was never into Victorious because it wasn't my taste but there's no doubt Victorious was the last great live-action show Nick has had up to date.

And here is American Eagle's Summer 2013 Collection. Now this is what I call stylish!

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I remember when this first hit stores! I was so excited. The early 2010's look was fun and colorful, but it did not age well and at the end of its shelf-life it had become very cheesy. Everything was done to death. This one was so much freer, more relaxed. It was comfortable, it was under-the-top, and it was tastefully made. That's why it became popular in the first place. That's always why a new look becomes cool—the combination of unfamiliarity and tastefulness becomes a breath of fresh air. As that said "new look" ages and the years pass by people add extra twists to it and the look is no longer the way it was in the beginning. At the end of its life cycle, the style becomes tacky and cartoonish, and that signifies it's time for a new look. That's exactly what has become of "The Mid 2010's" Look—it looks cheesy now. Although you can find better versions of it at AEO and Zumiez, just hop into any Forever 21 or H&M store and you can see just how ridiculous it looks now.

The Bohemian inspired style looks nice, then again in the early 10's I remember when AE had a heap of brightly colored skinny jeans and logo t-shirts.  ::) They could also update the look of their jeans, not just the types of fits available. And make women's tops that aren't wide necked and dresses that don't have spagetti straps.