I've been thinking about how many of us millennials born in the 80s have vivid memories of newspapers, life without home computers, believing the hacker lifestyle was like...Hackers (1995).

What makes older millennials (80s babies) and younger millennials (90s babies) unique respectively?

I had newspaper delivery from 2013-2015. It was $5/month, student rates yo. It was $60 a year BUT you had to tip the newspaper delivery on Christmas. I asked him how much... He said $50-$100. $50-$100 tip on a $60 delivery SMH. I paid it for the first two years but then I cancelled it in November 2015 in fear of the inevitable. Idk if that's an asshole thing to do.

Younger millennials are BROKE.

But the municipal newspaper is free, paid by taxes. It gets delivered every Friday and has local news, but it's 90% ads and flyers.

I have a goal for this thread. From here on, can we try to go without using the acronym SJW? Use any other phrase or description. Let's just remove SJW out of the vocab and see what we get. 8)

One thing for sure is that they can remember the old analog world and transitioned into the digital world without getting left behind. 9/11 and the Dubya administration had a large significance on them especially since the majority of them were adolescents in the 00s.
They can all recall a time before social media was ubiquitous. The recession had greatly affected them therefore preventing many from earning milestones.

I've been thinking about how many of us millennials born in the 80s have vivid memories of newspapers, life without home computers, believing the hacker lifestyle was like...Hackers (1995).

What makes older millennials (80s babies) and younger millennials (90s babies) unique respectively?


Younger Millennials/early Gen Z have no memory of dial-up or classic pixelated video games.  Born in 85, I remember, barely, when the Soviet Union was still a threat.  I remember when everybody had a landline phone and in high school, if you had money, you maybe had a pre-flip cell phone (the ones that had the "snake" game).

I am glad my childhood was in the '90s.  There was a lot more playing outside and being creative than there was in the 2000s. I also think the kid culture was better i.e. I am glad that I was around for the original Ninja Turtles and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers as opposed to Sponegbob and the Disney shows like Lizzy McGuire and Drake & Josh.  I was glad to grow up with systems like NES, Sega, and N64 where you actually had to have friends over to play fun, cartoony games as opposed to 2000s kids that grew up with Call of Duty online.

Younger Millennials/early Gen Z have no memory of dial-up or classic pixelated video games.

I'm not sure about that. I know 21 year olds who used dial up until like 2007.

I'm not sure about that. I know 21 year olds who used dial up until like 2007.


They would be an exception.  Most people who were still on dial-up in the late 2000s either lived out in the sticks where they couldn't get anything else, or they were older people who didn't know any better.  There was a huge migration from dial-up to broadband between 2004 and 2006ish.

They're not much of an exception. I've met a ton of 21 year olds who remember using Dial up as kids. Although then again the definition of "using" in relation to the internet or dial up seems to be different between us, I suppose. My family didn't switch off from dial until late-ish 2005. Someone who is 21 would've been around 10 in 2005 which is a 5th grader. Had plenty of time using dial up to remember it up to that point.

I'm not sure about that. I know 21 year olds who used dial up until like 2007.


One of my brothers is 21 (the other is 22, I'm 23). We had dial-up until 2003, when we were 10/9/8 years old. Millennials of all ages (except maybe 1997+) should remember dial-up.

I have a goal for this thread. From here on, can we try to go without using the acronym SJW? Use any other phrase or description. Let's just remove SJW out of the vocab and see what we get. 8)


Equalists? How about feminists?

Equalists? How about feminists?


Those terms are fine but they're far better with context and explanation.

They're not much of an exception. I've met a ton of 21 year olds who remember using Dial up as kids.

Hmmm... how about 20 year olds? ;D Any different, or about the same?

I'm not sure about that. I know 21 year olds who used dial up until like 2007.



They're not much of an exception. I've met a ton of 21 year olds who remember using Dial up as kids. Although then again the definition of "using" in relation to the internet or dial up seems to be different between us, I suppose. My family didn't switch off from dial until late-ish 2005. Someone who is 21 would've been around 10 in 2005 which is a 5th grader. Had plenty of time using dial up to remember it up to that point.
I think he meant when it was still common to have dial-up. Most people stopped having it after 2003 by switching to broadband/DSL.

Even more, the same group he talking about don't really remember the new millennium, Bush's presidency, or even 9/11. Just going by the sources, these folks would actually be the Z members, and not the younger Millennials. The latter are those who just graduated college this past year and/or within the last 3/4 years. Today's university students are now mainly Gen Z.

Younger Millennials are notorious SJWs (if you consider "Gen Z" to begin around 1995, then it seems to be a late Millennial/early Gen Z thing, mostly a fad for those born around the mid 90s).

Hopefully they'll grow out of it as they get older, HOPEFULLY. It's abhorrent behavior!

When people in the media talk about "Millennials" nowadays, it seems the older Millennials have gotten the shaft while the younger ones, or the "Bernie Millennials", have gotten all the spotlight. When you think of a millennial, you don't think of a 30 year old. You think of a 20-22 year old.

How many times do I have to say it? Gen Z DID NOT begin in 1995. Not even close. It began after 1999. 2000 is one year but maybe even after that. Anyways I know this will turn into a heated argument so I'll just leave it at that.  ;D

How many times do I have to say it? Gen Z DID NOT begin in 1995. Not even close. It began after 1999. 2000 is one year but maybe even after that. Anyways I know this will turn into a heated argument so I'll just leave it at that.  ;D
Here in America it did. The Canadian cutoff would be different, so you be considered one in your country. Generations are not universal.

As a '93er and one of the young uns - -

*Internet was always there, I got it in 1996 or 1997.

*I do however remember time before cellphones were super common. My dad got his in 1999 and I kept calling him even though he was downstairs. My mom got hers in 2001 or so.

*My first console/handheld that I bought for myself were the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color in 1998.

*Other consoles of my childhood were the Gamecube I got in 2002, Gameboy Advance in 2003, and PS2 in 2004 (although the PS2 is more of a preteen console, I got it in Grade 7 and my first game for it was GTA: San Andreas  ;D)

*I only caught Power Rangers in its waning phase (Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy) but I was still a huge fan!

*Pokémon/Digimon were the first huge fads of my childhood and I'm glad I was part of the original Pokémania! Everyone my age has watched Pokémon and it's always fun to chat about with complete strangers. Unlike older Pokémon fans, we never grew out of Pokémon, and unlike younger fans, we were there from the very beginning.  I feel like if I was 4-8 years older or younger I'd miss out on this important generational connection.

*I was never a huge MTV/MuchMusic kid. Yahoo! Music 4 lyf!!

*I pirated my first song when I was 12 through Limewire. It was Jennifer Lopez's Get Right LOL

*I did buy CDs when I was 10/11 though and I had cassettes before that.

*I got all my video game cheat codes and Gameshark codes online.

*Our school got WiFi when I was in Grade 7 and people started bringing their laptops to school to play Counterstrike to write notes.

*Wikipedia existed throughout my high school career. When I was in Grade 8 I liked going to the library on the weekends to pick out books so I can translate them into Wikipedia articles.

*It was impossible to get into a washroom stall in middle school during lunch break. PSP and WiFi is not at all a holy or pure combo.

*Walkmans are for the olds. All the cool kids had an iPod or PSP or a phone that could play MP3s.

*Social media took off when I was in Grade 7, in spring 2005 or so. People got Myspace, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut etc. But it was mostly the girls who got one, the boys thought it was too narcissist or girly.

*Handheld gaming was always huge in my middle school/high school to play at lunch time. In 2005/2006 PSP was king but then the DS took off and was popular all the way till I graduated in 2010. The PSP made a comeback in 2008ish with Crisis Core.

*Online gaming was a fact of life in high school. I got an Xbox 360 when I was 15. I played with my buddies on Xbox LIVE every night 7PM-9PM, on schedule lol. 

*MSN was a pan-2000s thing here in Canada. MSN was my main form of communicating with my friends throughout middle school and high school. Instead of "see you tomorrow" it was "I'll talk to you on MSN" even if you weren't gonna do it :P

*Between ages 12-16, I had more online friends on MSN than I had real life friends. I video/voice chatted a lot so it wasn't completely unhealthy. I actually liked that I had a lot of friends overseas and internationally, it felt 21st century lol.

*I got my first cellphone when I was 14. It was candy bar/brick style. I got my first smartphone when I was 17, but after I already graduated high school.

*We graduated after the recession and not before, and I think that's a big difference.

*Facebook is for the olds. In the year of our Hillary 2016 most my friends avoid Facebook. Twitter and Instagram is where it's at.

*Unlike American millennials who are beyond useless and pansy, Canadian 90s babies vote more often than the 80s babies and that's super cool, how the youngs vote more than the olds (lol jk). But I think us graduating post-recession is a huge part of this.

I think those are a few differences.

As a '93er and one of the young uns - -

*Internet was always there, I got it in 1996 or 1997.

*I do however remember time before cellphones were super common. My dad got his in 1999 and I kept calling him even though he was downstairs. My mom got hers in 2001 or so.

*My first console/handheld that I bought for myself were the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color in 1998.

*Other consoles of my childhood were the Gamecube I got in 2002, Gameboy Advance in 2003, and PS2 in 2004 (although the PS2 is more of a preteen console, I got it in Grade 7 and my first game for it was GTA: San Andreas  ;D)

*I only caught Power Rangers in its waning phase (Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy) but I was still a huge fan!

*Pokémon/Digimon were the first huge fads of my childhood and I'm glad I was part of the original Pokémania! Everyone my age has watched Pokémon and it's always fun to chat about with complete strangers. Unlike older Pokémon fans, we never grew out of Pokémon, and unlike younger fans, we were there from the very beginning.  I feel like if I was 4-8 years older or younger I'd miss out on this important generational connection.

*I was never a huge MTV/MuchMusic kid. Yahoo! Music 4 lyf!!

*I pirated my first song when I was 12 through Limewire. It was Jennifer Lopez's Get Right LOL

*I did buy CDs when I was 10/11 though and I had cassettes before that.

*I got all my video game cheat codes and Gameshark codes online.

*Our school got WiFi when I was in Grade 7 and people started bringing their laptops to school to play Counterstrike to write notes.

*Wikipedia existed throughout my high school career. When I was in Grade 8 I liked going to the library on the weekends to pick out books so I can translate them into Wikipedia articles.

*It was impossible to get into a washroom stall in middle school during lunch break. PSP and WiFi is not at all a holy or pure combo.

*Walkmans are for the olds. All the cool kids had an iPod or PSP or a phone that could play MP3s.

*Social media took off when I was in Grade 7, in spring 2005 or so. People got Myspace, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut etc. But it was mostly the girls who got one, the boys thought it was too narcissist or girly.

*Handheld gaming was always huge in my middle school/high school to play at lunch time. In 2005/2006 PSP was king but then the DS took off and was popular all the way till I graduated in 2010. The PSP made a comeback in 2008ish with Crisis Core.

*Online gaming was a fact of life in high school. I got an Xbox 360 when I was 15. I played with my buddies on Xbox LIVE every night 7PM-9PM, on schedule lol. 

*MSN was a pan-2000s thing here in Canada. MSN was my main form of communicating with my friends throughout middle school and high school. Instead of "see you tomorrow" it was "I'll talk to you on MSN" even if you weren't gonna do it :P

*Between ages 12-16, I had more online friends on MSN than I had real life friends. I video/voice chatted a lot so it wasn't completely unhealthy. I actually liked that I had a lot of friends overseas and internationally, it felt 21st century lol.

*I got my first cellphone when I was 14. It was candy bar/brick style. I got my first smartphone when I was 17, but after I already graduated high school.

*We graduated after the recession and not before, and I think that's a big difference.

*Facebook is for the olds. In the year of our Hillary 2016 most my friends avoid Facebook. Twitter and Instagram is where it's at.

*Unlike American millennials who are beyond useless and pansy, Canadian 90s babies vote more often than the 80s babies and that's super cool, how the youngs vote more than the olds (lol jk). But I think us graduating post-recession is a huge part of this.

I think those are a few differences.


Why do they avoid Facebook? ???

and N64

That was a VERY VERY ludicrous  statement you made, since I was born in 95 and grew up playing N64 while it was still in its peak.... ::) ;D ;D ;D

2000s kids that grew up with Call of Duty online.

Well... I'm an older 00s kid, yet I grew up playing N64, PS2, and my uncles Genesis during my prime childhood... :) ::)

I'm going to say that Millennials end in 1996.

Why? In their books, Strauss and Howe said that those born in 1982 were the first cohort too young to remember the Challenger explosion, because they were 4. Going by their rule (i.e. 5+ can remember, 4 and down can't remember), that would make Millennials range from approximately 1982 to 1996, or those who were old enough to remember 9/11, but not the Challenger disaster.

Since generations are usually considered to be roughly 15-20 years, this adds up (Millennials would be 14 years long, and that's only a year away from 15).

Younger Millennials/early Gen Z have no memory of dial-up or classic pixelated video games.  Born in 85, I remember, barely, when the Soviet Union was still a threat.  I remember when everybody had a landline phone and in high school, if you had money, you maybe had a pre-flip cell phone (the ones that had the "snake" game).

I am glad my childhood was in the '90s.  There was a lot more playing outside and being creative than there was in the 2000s. I also think the kid culture was better i.e. I am glad that I was around for the original Ninja Turtles and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers as opposed to Sponegbob and the Disney shows like Lizzy McGuire and Drake & Josh.  I was glad to grow up with systems like NES, Sega, and N64 where you actually had to have friends over to play fun, cartoony games as opposed to 2000s kids that grew up with Call of Duty online.


For military shooters (for all shooters, Halo was probably the most popular until COD 4), Medal of Honor was probably the most popular until 2007 when Call of Duty (COD 4 came out that year) was hailed the new king, I didn't play online until 2009 (overprotective parents), but I remember everyone playing Medal of Honor the most, my brother and I loved those games, COD was there, but most people preferred Medal of Honor.

I remember in 2007, I was at my local movie/game store listening to the owner talk about how Call of Duty might become bigger than Medal of Honor with the new COD game looking amazing, talking about how excited everyone was for it, and everyone ended up being disappointed with Medal of Honor: Airborne, including me.

I've personally never liked COD though besides COD 2 and 3.

I'm going to say that Millennials end in 1996.

Why? In their books, Strauss and Howe said that those born in 1982 were the first cohort too young to remember the Challenger explosion, because they were 4. Going by their rule (i.e. 5+ can remember, 4 and down can't remember), that would make Millennials range from approximately 1982 to 1996, or those who were old enough to remember 9/11, but not the Challenger disaster.

Since generations are usually considered to be roughly 15-20 years, this adds up (Millennials would be 14 years long, and that's only a year away from 15).

Even though I'm not discussing generations anymore; that's an interesting theory you came up with. :o

Even though I'm not discussing generations anymore; that's an interesting theory you came up with. :o

Thanks.

Based on the research I've done, this is honestly what I think the generations are.

1946-1964 = Baby boomers
1965-1981 = Gen X
1982-1996 = Millennials
1997-? = Homelanders

I wish more people in the media would use these definitions, because I think many would agree when I say they make the most sense out of all of them. But it seems they're too simple-minded to use start/end dates that don't end in -0 or -5!

The media doesn't want nuance or logic, they just want simplicity. :P

Thanks.

No prob. Although, you must know this tho. When I was a senior in high school there were some 97ers that told me they vaguely recalled the 9/11 attacks during lunch time. :o

1997 could be a Gen Y year, depending on how they remember September 11th, but I'd say 1998+ is purely Gen Z. I'm not saying they grew up better or worse than Millennials, they just grew up *different*.

Whenever people are asked on sites like Reddit or Facebook, the most common response is often "You have to remember 9/11 to be a Millennial" and I'd be inclined to agree with that, because the world changed so much following it.

Finding an end date for Homelanders will be tricky. Maybe some big event will happen in the future that can define them. Or maybe birth rates will drop off/spike up in the future.

Why do they avoid Facebook? ???


I guess because it's a family space now instead of a peer space.

Gen Z abandoned Facebook for Snapchat, Instagram, and Vines.

For military shooters (for all shooters, Halo was probably the most popular until COD 4), Medal of Honor was probably the most popular until 2007 when Call of Duty (COD 4 came out that year) was hailed the new king, I didn't play online until 2009 (overprotective parents), but I remember everyone playing Medal of Honor the most, my brother and I loved those games, COD was there, but most people preferred Medal of Honor.

I remember in 2007, I was at my local movie/game store listening to the owner talk about how Call of Duty might become bigger than Medal of Honor with the new COD game looking amazing, talking about how excited everyone was for it, and everyone ended up being disappointed with Medal of Honor: Airborne, including me.

I've personally never liked COD though besides COD 2 and 3.


I remember the year before COD4, the most popular shooter was Gears of War of "the only problem with this game is that it's almost too good" fame. Before that, the $ony fanboys hyped Killzone and it flopped in spectacular fashion, and I dined on their tears. But yeah, Halo was it for most the 2000s on consoles. Even in 2007, Halo 3 was more popular than COD4. For PC, it was Counterstrike.

I remember the year before COD4, the most popular shooter was Gears of War of "the only problem with this game is that it's almost too good" fame. Before that, the $ony fanboys hyped Killzone and it flopped in spectacular fashion, and I dined on their tears. But yeah, Halo was it for most the 2000s on consoles. Even in 2007, Halo 3 was more popular than COD4. For PC, it was Counterstrike.


Forgot about Gears of War, I know my cousin played it in 2006/07, I never heard much about Killzone, but I was on OG Xbox at the time, and yeah, Halo 3 felt more popular to me, but didn't COD4 sell more? Maybe since Halo 3 just released on the 360, COD4 sold more, but for Xbox, Halo might've sold more. Right on with Counterstrike on PC.

I guess because it's a family space now instead of a peer space.


I was expecting an unsatisfying answer to Howard's question but it seems reasonable because has been very true the last 4 years. lol.

To counter, I know lots of pre-teens in my family dying to get a facebook or have one and post memes and vines all the time.

I was expecting an unsatisfying answer to Howard's question but it seems reasonable because has been very true the last 4 years. lol.

To counter, I know lots of pre-teens in my family dying to get a facebook or have one and post memes and vines all the time.


Their hearts are still young and pure, not yet corrupted by the power of music.ly  :-X

My 11 year old sisters have had a Facebook for a while now actually. My mom uses their accounts more than they do though (she's logged onto it because of Candy Crush 😧). Trigger warning for bchris02 her cover photo is Ariana Grande  :-X

This was an excellent post by Slowpoke, and I thought a great way to get to the core of this thread's main question (differences between '80s and '90s born Millennials) would be for me to compare my experiences directly to his and see how we differ and how we are similar.


*Internet was always there, I got it in 1996 or 1997.


I didn't use the internet for the first time until 1998, when I was in 6th grade. My parents didn't get it until 2000, so I was a teenager before I started going online regularly.

*I do however remember time before cellphones were super common. My dad got his in 1999 and I kept calling him even though he was downstairs. My mom got hers in 2001 or so.

Exactly the same here. My parents got their first cell phone in 1999.

*My first console/handheld that I bought for myself were the Nintendo 64 and Gameboy Color in 1998.

My first console and handheld were the Super Nintendo and original Game Boy, but the Nintendo 64 (which I got for Christmas 1998) and the Game Boy Color (which I got in 1999) were both major parts of my childhood as well.

*Other consoles of my childhood were the Gamecube I got in 2002, Gameboy Advance in 2003, and PS2 in 2004 (although the PS2 is more of a preteen console, I got it in Grade 7 and my first game for it was GTA: San Andreas  ;D)


For me, the PS2, Gamecube and Game Boy Advance were all teenage consoles, as I was in high school when I got them. I don't really see that as a massive difference, though.

*I only caught Power Rangers in its waning phase (Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy) but I was still a huge fan!

I was in 1st through 4th grades when the show peaked, so I'm just about as much a prime Power Ranger fan as you're going to find. I watched the movie so many times on VHS that my tape eventually tore up. ;D

*Pokémon/Digimon were the first huge fads of my childhood and I'm glad I was part of the original Pokémania! Everyone my age has watched Pokémon and it's always fun to chat about with complete strangers. Unlike older Pokémon fans, we never grew out of Pokémon, and unlike younger fans, we were there from the very beginning.  I feel like if I was 4-8 years older or younger I'd miss out on this important generational connection.

That's a great example of an Older/Younger Millennial split. I was into Pokemon big time in 1999 and 2000, but started to lose interest in 2001. Gold and Silver were the last major releases in the series that I played until I was in my twenties. Once I hit my teen years, I started stupidly thinking I was "too old" to keep liking Pokemon.

*I was never a huge MTV/MuchMusic kid. Yahoo! Music 4 lyf!!

Another difference. I watched TRL pretty much every day when I was in 6th through 9th grade. I also watched a lot of Fuse when I was in high school.

*I pirated my first song when I was 12 through Limewire. It was Jennifer Lopez's Get Right LOL

I started pirating songs my first songs off WinMX when I was 17. Before then, our internet was way too slow to even contemplate using P2P services.

*I did buy CDs when I was 10/11 though and I had cassettes before that.

I mostly brought cassettes until I was in middle school because CDs were still fairly expensive. I listened to CDs exclusively until I was 18.

*I got all my video game cheat codes and Gameshark codes online.

I had to get my cheat codes through word-of-mouth, and the back pages of Electronic Gaming Monthly and Tips & Tricks Magazine back in the day. Once we finally did get the internet, though, it was all about Cheat CC.

*Our school got WiFi when I was in Grade 7 and people started bringing their laptops to school to play Counterstrike to write notes.

My school didn't have WiFi by the time I graduated, but that's not surprising since I live in what could charitably be described as the "boonies".

*Wikipedia existed throughout my high school career. When I was in Grade 8 I liked going to the library on the weekends to pick out books so I can translate them into Wikipedia articles.

I didn't become aware of Wikipedia until early 2005, which was the tail end of my senior year. I used it quite a bit in college, though.

*Walkmans are for the olds. All the cool kids had an iPod or PSP or a phone that could play MP3s.

I kept a Discman in my backpack all the way through high school. ;D I got my first MP3 player at age 18.

*Social media took off when I was in Grade 7, in spring 2005 or so. People got Myspace, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut etc. But it was mostly the girls who got one, the boys thought it was too narcissist or girly.

For me, social media was a college thing. I first started becoming aware of MySpace in late 2005, right around the time I started my freshman year.

*Handheld gaming was always huge in my middle school/high school to play at lunch time. In 2005/2006 PSP was king but then the DS took off and was popular all the way till I graduated in 2010. The PSP made a comeback in 2008ish with Crisis Core.

In my middle school most kids would spend lunch trading Pokemon on our Game Boy Colors. The Game Boy Advance was massive when I was in high school. I have very fond memories of covertly playing Metroid Fusion in my algebra class when the teacher wasn't looking. ;)

*Online gaming was a fact of life in high school. I got an Xbox 360 when I was 15. I played with my buddies on Xbox LIVE every night 7PM-9PM, on schedule lol.

Online gaming first became a thing when I was in high school, but not widely used since most kids around here still had dial-up at the time. I got a modem for my PlayStation 2 in 2003, but pretty much had to give up on playing the thing because our connection was too slow. LAN parties were all the rage at that time.

*MSN was a pan-2000s thing here in Canada. MSN was my main form of communicating with my friends throughout middle school and high school. Instead of "see you tomorrow" it was "I'll talk to you on MSN" even if you weren't gonna do it :P

*Between ages 12-16, I had more online friends on MSN than I had real life friends. I video/voice chatted a lot so it wasn't completely unhealthy. I actually liked that I had a lot of friends overseas and internationally, it felt 21st century lol.

I used MSN a lot when I was in high school, too. Most of my friends were on Yahoo! Messenger as well.

*I got my first cellphone when I was 14. It was candy bar/brick style. I got my first smartphone when I was 17, but after I already graduated high school.

My first cellphone was an LG flip-phone, and I got it when I was 18. I think I was about 22 when I got my first smartphone.

*We graduated after the recession and not before, and I think that's a big difference.

I graduated (from college anyway) right during the worst part of the recession in 2009. Back when the unemployment rate was over 10%. There probably hasn't been a worse time to enter the workforce since the Great Depression.

*Facebook is for the olds. In the year of our Hillary 2016 most my friends avoid Facebook. Twitter and Instagram is where it's at.

This is another interesting difference that's beginning to develop. Most of my friends are around 30, and are starting to transition to that stage in life where they use social media less for keeping up with the latest fads, and more for posting outdated political memes and pictures of goofy looking cats. It's kinda sad, really. ;D

*Unlike American millennials who are beyond useless and pansy, Canadian 90s babies vote more often than the 80s babies and that's super cool, how the youngs vote more than the olds (lol jk). But I think us graduating post-recession is a huge part of this.

I can't disagree with you here. ;D

but the Nintendo 64 (which I got for Christmas 1998) and the Game Boy Color (which I got in 1999) were both major parts of my childhood as well.
For me, the PS2, Gamecube and Game Boy Advance were all teenage consoles, as I was in high school when I got them. I don't really see that as a massive difference, though.
That's a great example of an Older/Younger Millennial split. I was into Pokemon big time in 1999 and 2000, but started to lose interest in 2001.

Well.... everything that was just stated here was ALL the proof that I needed to backup my claim that the late 80s born don't feel as old school as the early-mid 80s born. ::) ::) ::)


I just can't picture those born in 1982 like Jordan or HELL even 1985 born like Chris saying N64 and Gameboy color were major parts of their childhood.... :o  or that they were big into pokemania!

Bernie Millennials"

We older Millennials (or me, anyway) like our Bernie, too. ;) Hillary was always my first choice, though.

I grew up mostly in an analog/pre-digital world. I probably saw more movies on VHS than in theaters (T2, Kindergarten Cop, Wayne's World, Naked Gun 1 and 2 1/2); what I saw in theaters was mostly Disney and kids stuff, I vividly remember 35mm projection. I listened to music on cassettes and even old records; I was musically oblivious until middle/high school, especially popular music. I knew a few oldies and such ("I Heard It Through the Grapevine" was "the California Raisins song"). I was somewhat aware of Michael Jackson, Madonna, New Kids on the Block, MC Hammer, Whoomp! There It Is, and Kriss Kross, but that was about it.

I didn't hear my first CD until about 1993 -- and even then, it was a Barney CD that the teachers played us at school.  :-Sega Channel?) When the Genesis (and Sega Channel) became obsolete around 1998-2000, I moved onto Nintendo 64, my last game system (excluding PC, which I rarely use for gaming). I still have my N64, but I couldn't get a signal on TV. I have considered other systems over the years, but the question is, how long until it becomes obsolete? I might consider an Xbox for Halo and the forthcoming Friday the 13th game.

By contrast, my kid cousins are younger Millennials (1992 and 1994) they grew up with some of the stuff I did (VHS, Nickelodeon, 35mm) and played my Genesis and N64. Their first video game system was a PS1, their first music format was CD, they liked the music that was popular when I awakened musically.

So, yeah, there's differences between the younger and older segments.

Well.... everything that was just stated here was ALL the proof that I needed to backup my claim that the late 80s born don't feel as old school as the early-mid 80s born. ::) ::) ::)


I just can't picture those born in 1982 like Jordan or HELL even 1985 born like Chris saying N64 and Gameboy color were major parts of their childhood.... :o  or that they were big into pokemania!


Well, 1982ers are five years older than me, so there's certainly a large gap there, but I don't see that big of a difference when it comes to '85ers. After all, the Nintendo 64 launched in 1996, so that could certainly qualify as a "childhood console" for somebody that age if they got it early. I also did know some kids that age into Pokemon in the late '90s, including a kid that lived just down the block from my house that used to trade Pokemon cards with me.

I went to high school with a lot of mid '80s babies, and have quite a few friends that age today, and we share most of the same interests when it comes to music/technology/culture etc. I agree with you about early '80s babies, though. They do feel like a totally separate cohort from me.

Well, 1982ers are five years older than me, so there's certainly a large gap there, but I don't see that big of a difference when it comes to '85ers. After all, the Nintendo 64 launched in 1996, so that could certainly qualify as a "childhood console" for somebody that age if they got it early. I also did know some kids that age into Pokemon in the late '90s, including a kid that lived just down the block from my house that used to trade Pokemon cards with me.

I went to high school with a lot of mid '80s babies, and have quite a few friends that age today, and we share most of the same interests when it comes to music/technology/culture etc. I agree with you about early '80s babies, though. They do feel like a totally separate cohort from me.

Well... I don't view the Wii as a childhood console.

And I understand that they feel similar to you. But in terms of how I SEE THEM, I don't feel that sorta way.

Hell, I'll give you an example. at my church I have had friends born in the mid and late 80s. Those born in the mid 80s just felt and seemed older school than the late 80s babies. They looked and acted older than the latter. The mid 80s babies also didn't like being associated with millenials. While that late 80s born didn't mind AT ALL. Also, the mid 80s babies associated their childhood with NES, SNES, and the genesis. They all said they felt too old for millenium era kid fads like Pokémon. Late 80s babies just felt more like "older siblings" and less like "older guys."

Eric, I have a (somewhat related) question.

Do you have friends born in 96 (IRL)? If so, do they say the identify more as Gen Z or as Millennials? How many of them remember 9/11, VHS, dial-up, and other "Millennial hallmarks"? Are they insulted that some sources group them into Gen Z when they feel more Y-ish? Or do they stand firmly with Gen Z?

Eric, I have a (somewhat related) question.

Do you have friends born in 96 (IRL)? If so, do they say the identify more as Gen Z or as Millennials? How many of them remember 9/11, VHS, dial-up, and other "Millennial hallmarks"? Are they insulted that some sources group them into Gen Z when they feel more Y-ish? Or do they stand firmly with Gen Z?

Yes, I've got plent of 96 born friends in real life. Everyone of them I've come in contact with has identified as millennial. A good portion of them recall 9/11, VHS, etc.

To answer your last questions. They have NO CLUE sources group them in with homelanders. They've all identified as Y.

To answer your last questions. They have NO CLUE sources group them in with homelanders. They've all identified as Y.

Then I hope they never read The New York Times, otherwise they'll be pissed. ;D

Well... I don't view the Wii as a childhood console.

And I understand that they feel similar to you. But in terms of how I SEE THEM, I don't feel that sorta way.

Hell, I'll give you an example. at my church I have had friends born in the mid and late 80s. Those born in the mid 80s just felt and seemed older school than the late 80s babies. They looked and acted older than the latter. The mid 80s babies also didn't like being associated with millenials. While that late 80s born didn't mind AT ALL. Also, the mid 80s babies associated their childhood with NES, SNES, and the genesis. They all said they felt too old for millenium era kid fads like Pokémon. Late 80s babies just felt more like "older siblings" and less like "older guys."


The NES, SNES and Genesis were all major parts of my childhood as well. The NES was the first console I ever played back in 1990 and 1991, and I got my SNES in '92 and my Genesis in '93. As I mentioned, I didn't actually get a Nintendo 64 until 1998 when I was 11-years-old, so to me that's more of a "middle school console" whereas the 16-bit era dominated my elementary school years.

But you're right about the fact that there are certainly differences. I think that mid and late '80s babies shared mostly the same elementary school experiences (16-bit gaming/Golden Age Nick/TMNT/MMPR/Pogs/Goosebumps/etc.) but where things diverge are in the late '90s, when mid '80s babies began entering high school, while us late '80s borns were still in middle school. Because of that, we were much more likely to get into Y2K era kids fads (like Pokemon/Digimon/Toonami/DBZ/etc.) than they were. I think that's probably why you feel "closer" to late '80s babies than mid '80s babies, because we were into some of the same things as preteens that you were as a young child in the late '90s, if that makes sense. I mean, you were born in 1995, so you're only eight years younger than me. That's not that large of an age gap, so it's not surprising that we would have some things in common, particularly when it comes to the late '90s where our childhoods had some "overlap".

I suppose you could say that us late '80s babies are like a perfect "bridge" between the two halves of the Millennial generation. We can relate fairly well with early-to-mid '90s babies culturally, but also share many core growing-up experiences with early-to-mid '80s babies as well.

Well.... everything that was just stated here was ALL the proof that I needed to backup my claim that the late 80s born don't feel as old school as the early-mid 80s born. ::) ::) ::)


I just can't picture those born in 1982 like Jordan or HELL even 1985 born like Chris saying N64 and Gameboy color were major parts of their childhood.... :o  or that they were big into pokemania!


But... Chris actually said in his own post that the N64 was a part of his childhood  ;D

But... Chris actually said in his own post that the N64 was a part of his childhood  ;D

Yea, but he was 11 and 12 when the system was first out. He was past his PEAK childhood.

But... Chris actually said in his own post that the N64 was a part of his childhood  ;D


I was 11 when the N64 came out.  My friend got one that year and I played it over at his house all the time until I finally got my own a couple of years later.  I still consider 11 and 12 years old to be a part of my childhood.

I was not allowed to have a console during my core childhood years, when SNES and Sega Genesis were at their peak.  The PC was my primary video game platform during that era, with games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom being among my favorites.  I did get a Sega Genesis a bit later when they were on clearance however.  The primary consoles of my childhood however were the NES (very early) and N64 (in late childhood).

I had a Game Boy pocket, not a Game Boy color.  I was about two years too old for Pokemania.  There were a few people in my class that were into it but it was a lot more popular even just one grade level below mine.

I was 11 when the N64 came out.  My friend got one that year and I played it over at his house all the time until I finally got my own a couple of years later.  I still consider 11 and 12 years old to be a part of my childhood.

I was not allowed to have a console during my core childhood years, when SNES and Sega Genesis were at their peak. The PC was my primary video game platform during that era, with games like Wolfenstein 3D and Doom being among my favorites.  I did get a Sega Genesis a bit later when they were on clearance however. The primary consoles of my childhood however were the NES (very early) and N64 (in late childhood).

Well bud, I still consider 11 and 12 childhood as well. But I was well past my peak.



That's strange how parents din't allow you to have a SNES during it's peak.... Let me guess parents were pretty strict weren't they? :o


But anyways I had no clue you considered your late childhood to be THAT important. Maybe it was because that culture stayed consistent, while the culture around me kept constantly changing.


Also I apologize if I sounded like I was going off on ya earlier.... ;D ;D ;D  I just got VERY offended by your post, cause it sounded like you said I never experienced N64 during it's relevance and I only grew up with the shooting game craze stuff(COD)... N64 was a VERY important part of my childhood since it was my first console. :\'(

Well bud, I still consider 11 and 12 childhood as well. But I was well past my peak.



That's strange how parents din't allow you to have a SNES during it's peak.... Let me guess parents were pretty strict weren't they? :o


But anyways I had no clue you considered your late childhood to be THAT important. Maybe it was because that culture stayed consistent, while the culture around me kept constantly changing.


Also I apologize if I sounded like I was going off on ya earlier.... ;D ;D ;D  I just got VERY offended by your post, cause it sounded like you said I never experienced N64 during it's relevance and I only grew up with the shooting game craze stuff(COD)... N64 was a VERY important part of my childhood since it was my first console. :\'(


Yeah my core childhood is a time I generally forget about.  The combination of my parents being ridiculously strict in that era (my parents stopped allowing me to watch Power Rangers because there was an episode where Tommy talked about discovering the power within yourself, which apparently was sacrilegious), abuse from my dad, being bullied in school, not having friends, being suicidal, etc...yeah it's a time I would rather forget.  I consider my prime childhood to be my early years, from about age 5 through 8, and my preteen years (11 and 12).  Age 9 and 10 were not happy years.

Sorry you got offended by my CoD comment.  Born in '95, you are probably on the latter end of the cohort that grew up with 5th generation consoles.  Somebody born in '99 for instance wouldn't be familiar with the N64 unless they had one because they couldn't afford a current generation console.  Their childhood consoles would be the Xbox and the Xbox 360.

Yeah my core childhood is a time I generally forget about.  The combination of my parents being ridiculously strict in that era (my parents stopped allowing me to watch Power Rangers because there was an episode where Tommy talked about discovering the power within yourself, which apparently was sacrilegious), abuse from my dad, being bullied in school, not having friends, being suicidal, etc...yeah it's a time I would rather forget.  I consider my prime childhood to be my early years, from about age 5 through 8, and my preteen years (11 and 12).   Age 9 and 10 were not happy years.

Sorry you got offended by my CoD comment.  Born in '95, you are probably on the latter end of the cohort that grew up with 5th generation consoles.  Somebody born in '99 for instance wouldn't be familiar with the N64 unless they had one because they couldn't afford a current generation console.  Their childhood consoles would be the Xbox and the Xbox 360.

Wow... I'm so so sorry to hear that. :o :\'( :\'( :\'(  It must have been hell for you. I kinda feel that way about my peak teen years during the early 2010s. I do not like talking about that time.


And Your forgiven bro! ;) ;D  But yes dude, I may be a decade younger than you, but yes I'm at the latter end of the cohort that grew up with the N64,DBZ, Pokemon, Digimon, Toonami, One Saturday morning, Kids WB, Nickelodeon when it still had Rugrats, Hey Arnold, and PRIME spongebob, etc.  I'm pretty much an ''elder'' 00s kid with some 90s influence you could say... ;D  That pretty much summed up my years of being 5,6, and even 7 to a degree. :)

I wonder how do you feel about me being an older 00s kid?

I used MSN a lot when I was in high school, too. Most of my friends were on Yahoo! Messenger as well.

I use MSN now just for the news articles.

Yeah my core childhood is a time I generally forget about.  The combination of my parents being ridiculously strict in that era (my parents stopped allowing me to watch Power Rangers because there was an episode where Tommy talked about discovering the power within yourself, which apparently was sacrilegious), abuse from my dad, being bullied in school, not having friends, being suicidal, etc...yeah it's a time I would rather forget.  I consider my prime childhood to be my early years, from about age 5 through 8, and my preteen years (11 and 12).  Age 9 and 10 were not happy years.

Sorry you got offended by my CoD comment.  Born in '95, you are probably on the latter end of the cohort that grew up with 5th generation consoles.  Somebody born in '99 for instance wouldn't be familiar with the N64 unless they had one because they couldn't afford a current generation console.  Their childhood consoles would be the Xbox and the Xbox 360.

Didn't catch (editing now) the part about what you went through as a child, sorry to hear about that man, that must've sucked. :\'(


'99er here, PlayStation1 was my first console, but I admit I don't consider it that important to my childhood, and I played Nintendo 64 at church, lol. I played a lot of consoles at random places though, so it doesn't matter much. Original Xbox (age 3 to 9 is when I played it) was my core childhood console, and Xbox 360 (age 10 to 14) was my late childhood and early teenage years.

Shooters weren't my main thing until around 2009 to mid 2012, that was my Halo phase. Halo 3 and Reach I played a lot then, I played CE in 2008, but that's not the main type of game we played that year. From mid-late 2012 to now, RPGs have been my favorite genre. I play a wide variety of games now  though, I'm up for anything besides your normal Sports games and Call of Duty.

Yeah my core childhood is a time I generally forget about.  The combination of my parents being ridiculously strict in that era (my parents stopped allowing me to watch Power Rangers because there was an episode where Tommy talked about discovering the power within yourself, which apparently was sacrilegious), abuse from my dad, being bullied in school, not having friends, being suicidal, etc...yeah it's a time I would rather forget. I consider my prime childhood to be my early years, from about age 5 through 8, and my preteen years (11 and 12).  Age 9 and 10 were not happy years.

Sorry you got offended by my CoD comment.  Born in '95, you are probably on the latter end of the cohort that grew up with 5th generation consoles.  Somebody born in '99 for instance wouldn't be familiar with the N64 unless they had one because they couldn't afford a current generation console.  Their childhood consoles would be the Xbox and the Xbox 360.


Oh God, that's terrible  :\'( Glad you got out of it and got to enjoy your late childhood.

I used MSN a lot when I was in high school, too. Most of my friends were on Yahoo! Messenger as well.

I use MSN now just for the news articles.


Oh, we were talking about MSN Messenger rather than the website  ;D it doesn't exist anymore, it got swept under Skype  :\'(

Then I hope they never read The New York Times, otherwise they'll be pissed. ;D


If you see the New York Times talking about millennials, may as well just throw that edition in the trash. 🚮

The NES, SNES and Genesis were all major parts of my childhood as well. The NES was the first console I ever played back in 1990 and 1991, and I got my SNES in '92 and my Genesis in '93. As I mentioned, I didn't actually get a Nintendo 64 until 1998 when I was 11-years-old, so to me that's more of a "middle school console" whereas the 16-bit era dominated my elementary school years.

But you're right about the fact that there are certainly differences. I think that mid and late '80s babies shared mostly the same elementary school experiences (16-bit gaming/Golden Age Nick/TMNT/MMPR/Pogs/Goosebumps/etc.) but where things diverge are in the late '90s, when mid '80s babies began entering high school, while us late '80s borns were still in middle school. Because of that, we were much more likely to get into Y2K era kids fads (like Pokemon/Digimon/Toonami/DBZ/etc.) than they were. I think that's probably why you feel "closer" to late '80s babies than mid '80s babies, because we were into some of the same things as preteens that you were as a young child in the late '90s, if that makes sense. I mean, you were born in 1995, so you're only eight years younger than me. That's not that large of an age gap, so it's not surprising that we would have some things in common, particularly when it comes to the late '90s where our childhoods had some "overlap".

I suppose you could say that us late '80s babies are like a perfect "bridge" between the two halves of the Millennial generation. We can relate fairly well with early-to-mid '90s babies culturally, but also share many core growing-up experiences with early-to-mid '80s babies as well.

Everybody is so hell bent on wanting to make like there's this HUGE difference between thoes born in the mid 80s and the late 80s. Honestly I don't see a "culture" difference between thoes two cohorts. You mentioned the mid 80s babies entering highschool in the late 90s was the difference.  Well thoes of us born in the mid 80s(84 to 86) started highschool in the fall of 99(the September 84 to august 85 babies). Thoes September 85 to august 86 babies who started a year later are not "culturely " different. 

I seen where you said you're from GA, I'm also from GA, Gwinnett County to be exact, and I don't see this "cultural" difference between an 85er like myself and my 87er friends and cousin. We came up with the same things and relate to the same things,  cartoons, toys, video games, kid shows, music from our teens, movies, sitcoms, major world events, similar views, etc etc...

You seem to try to distant yourself from people older then you by saying you don't have that much in common with people a few years older then you , but have a lot in common with people much younger. I have not seen many 87ers claiming or wanting to be associated with thoes born in the 90s, especially the mid 90s, fact is right there is a cultural difference.

The fact is there's always an overlap with age groups. I'm born in 85 but I can relate to someone just twos younger, like i can someone years older. You being born in 87 probably wouldn't consider someone born in 83 apart of your "age group" just like i wouldn't consider someone born in 89 apart of mine(although I do consider 89ers an outlier of my age group, close enough to still relate but far out enough to not relate if you get what I mean). But there's not this cultural difference between Mid and latest 80s babies. Maybe alittle with the 89ers but not with the 87ers

Everybody is so hell bent on wanting to make like there's this HUGE difference between thoes born in the mid 80s and the late 80s. Honestly I don't see a "culture" difference between thoes two cohorts. You mentioned the mid 80s babies entering highschool in the late 90s was the difference.  Well thoes of us born in the mid 80s(84 to 86) started highschool in the fall of 99(the September 84 to august 85 babies). Thoes September 85 to august 86 babies who started a year later are not "culturely " different. 

I seen where you said you're from GA, I'm also from GA, Gwinnett County to be exact, and I don't this "cultural" difference between an 85er like myself and my 87er friends and cousin. We came up with the same things and relate to the same things,  cartoons, toys, video games, kid shows, music from our teens, movies, sitcoms, major world events, similar views, etc etc...

You seem to try to distant yourself from people older then you by saying you don't have that much in common with people a few years older then me , but have a lot in common with people much younger. I have not seen many 87ers claiming or wanting to be associated with thoes born in the 90s, especially the mid 90s, fact is right there is a cultural difference.

The fact is there's always an overlap with age groups. I'm born in 85 but I can relate to someone just twos younger, like i can someone years older. You being born in 87 probably wouldn't consider someone born in 83 apart of your "age group" just like i wouldn't consider someone born in 89 apart of mine(although I do consider 89ers an outlier of my age group, close enough to still relate but far out enough to not relate if you get what I mean). But there's not this cultural difference between Mid and latest 80s babies. Maybe alittle with the 89ers but with the 87ers


I agree there isn't a huge difference between mid/late 80s babies. But that's not really what he's saying, he's just saying people born in the late '80s babies are more likely to get into Y2K era kid fads than mid '80s babies, which is true. It's not a "huge" difference as you say, but to someone born 1995 who has little in common with someone born 1985, but a few things in common with someone born 1987, that would feel like a difference worth noting.

I agree there isn't a huge difference between mid/late 80s babies. But that's not really what he's saying, he's just saying people born in the late '80s babies are more likely to get into Y2K era kid fads than mid '80s babies, which is true. It's not a "huge" difference as you say, but to someone born 1995 who has little in common with someone born 1985, but a few things in common with someone born 1987, that would feel like a difference worth noting.

I see where you're coming from, but usually by age 12 you start to lean more into teen culture and less into kid culture and someone born in 87 like Mach!ne_he@d were 12 and 13 in 99 and 00 which is the middle of the Y2K era. And everybody uses Pokemon as the staple of that kid culture but there was A LOT of 85ers and even some 84ers who were into Pokemon. I don't think it's enough to say it was that much of a difference. And somebody born in 95 was in the pre school/kindergarten range around this time. I don't think they have all that much in common with someone born in 87. Of course everybody has different experiences but it's not universal.

Everybody is so hell bent on wanting to make like there's this HUGE difference between thoes born in the mid 80s and the late 80s. Honestly I don't see a "culture" difference between thoes two cohorts. You mentioned the mid 80s babies entering highschool in the late 90s was the difference.  Well thoes of us born in the mid 80s(84 to 86) started highschool in the fall of 99(the September 84 to august 85 babies). Thoes September 85 to august 86 babies who started a year later are not "culturely " different.


I agree with this completely.  I can hang with somebody born in 87 and there is like no difference at all.  I even can get along great with with people born as late as 1990 and I don't feel there is that much of a cultural difference, especially when it comes to adult life.  When hanging out with friends, things like childhood cartoons never come into the conversation (and of course that would be different between me and somebody born in 1990, with the exception of things like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, which for me would have been late childhood and for them would have been core childhood, but we still remember it and loved it).  Aside from that, we can both relate to the music of the 90s and 00s and liked the same stuff growing up. 

Later than 1990 it gets a bit more difficult to relate when it comes to experiences growing up, but even then there are some commonalities and I can still be friends with people that young.  The biggest barrier there, for me, is maturity differences as opposed to cultural differences.  I do find myself hanging out with people a few years younger than me, mostly because I live in a very conservative area and most people my age are married with school-age children, which I can't relate to.


I see where you're coming from, but usually by age 12 you start to lean more into teen culture and less into kid culture and someone born in 87 like Mach!ne_he@d were 12 and 13 in 99 and 00 which is the middle of the Y2K era. And everybody uses Pokemon as the staple of that kid culture but there was A LOT of 85ers and even some 84ers who were into Pokemon. I don't think it's enough to say it was that much of a difference. And somebody born in 95 was in the pre school/kindergarten range around this time. I don't think they have all that much in common with someone born in 87. Of course everybody has different experiences but it's not universal.


I also agree with this.  I consider myself a year or two too old to have been into Pokemania, but I knew people my age in middle school who were into it.

I agree with this completely.  I can hang with somebody born in 87 and there is like no difference at all.  I even can get along great with with people born as late as 1990 and I don't feel there is that much of a cultural difference, especially when it comes to adult life.  When hanging out with friends, things like childhood cartoons never come into the conversation (and of course that would be different between me and somebody born in 1990, with the exception of things like Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, which for me would have been late childhood and for them would have been core childhood, but we still remember it and loved it).  Aside from that, we can both relate to the music of the 90s and 00s and liked the same stuff growing up. 

Later than 1990 it gets a bit more difficult to relate when it comes to experiences growing up, but even then there are some commonalities and I can still be friends with people that young.  The biggest barrier there, for me, is maturity differences as opposed to cultural differences.  I do find myself hanging out with people a few years younger than me, mostly because I live in a very conservative area and most people my age are married with school-age children, which I can't relate to.

I also agree with this.  I consider myself a year or two too old to have been into Pokemania, but I knew people my age in middle school who were into it.

I think other things a 1990 born and 1985 born could relate on are some cartoons like Rugrats and the Simpsons since those both ran during each of our core childhood years and Super Nes games and even the later Nes games released in 1993 and 1994 if one were to start playing video games at the age of 3.

I was glad to grow up with systems like NES, Sega, and N64 where you actually had to have friends over to play fun, cartoony games as opposed to 2000s kids that grew up with Call of Duty online.


I'm not trying to take a personal shot at you at all. You're find, but the age demographic for Call of Duty is COMPLETELY different than the age demographic for half of the NES games, Sega games, and N64 games. In fact, if anything, core to late millennials who grew up with the the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, or XBOX as kids ended up growing up with mature games like Call of Duty on the PS3, XBOX 360, PS4, or XBOX One when they became teenagers or young adults. Yes, 2000's kids did grow up with Call of Duty, but they grew up with Call of Duty when their 2000's kid childhood was over with. When we were kids during the 2000's we were playing kiddy/cartoony games on the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, PSP, or Nintendo DS.

Yeah my core childhood is a time I generally forget about.  The combination of my parents being ridiculously strict in that era (my parents stopped allowing me to watch Power Rangers because there was an episode where Tommy talked about discovering the power within yourself, which apparently was sacrilegious), abuse from my dad, being bullied in school, not having friends, being suicidal, etc...yeah it's a time I would rather forget.  I consider my prime childhood to be my early years, from about age 5 through 8, and my preteen years (11 and 12).  Age 9 and 10 were not happy years.

Sorry you got offended by my CoD comment.  Born in '95, you are probably on the latter end of the cohort that grew up with 5th generation consoles.  Somebody born in '99 for instance wouldn't be familiar with the N64 unless they had one because they couldn't afford a current generation console.  Their childhood consoles would be the Xbox and the Xbox 360.


It could also be the PS2, Gamecube, Nintendo DS, or Wii as well.

Yes, I've got plent of 96 born friends in real life. Everyone of them I've come in contact with has identified as millennial. A good portion of them recall 9/11, VHS, etc.

To answer your last questions. They have NO CLUE sources group them in with homelanders. They've all identified as Y.


The funny thing is, while my dad (born in 1966) is technically Gen X by definition, with the common definition of Baby Boomers being from 1946-1964, my dad does NOT consider him to be part of X, he considers himself as on the cusp on X and Boomers. My dad gets offended if you call him completely X and he's born in 1966, since he thinks he's the tail end of the Boomer generation  ;D

Well, 1982ers are five years older than me, so there's certainly a large gap there, but I don't see that big of a difference when it comes to '85ers. After all, the Nintendo 64 launched in 1996, so that could certainly qualify as a "childhood console" for somebody that age if they got it early. I also did know some kids that age into Pokemon in the late '90s, including a kid that lived just down the block from my house that used to trade Pokemon cards with me.

I went to high school with a lot of mid '80s babies, and have quite a few friends that age today, and we share most of the same interests when it comes to music/technology/culture etc. I agree with you about early '80s babies, though. They do feel like a totally separate cohort from me.


I think the way you feel about the PS1 or N64 being your childhood console is how I felt about the Wii (Christmas 2007 is when we got it) being my last childhood console. Yes, while a lot of people tend to hate on the Wii due to it's controversial mechanics and lack of variety compared to the N64 or Gamecube, I still thought it was a good console with its 1st party games like Mario Kart Wii (online) or Super Mario Galaxy. I enjoyed playing those when I was 12 & 13. I guess the Wii could be considered as my "late childhood" console. The Gamecube which I got in 2003 was my "core childhood" console. I never owned an N64 but that would have been my "early childhood" console had I owned one.

Well.... everything that was just stated here was ALL the proof that I needed to backup my claim that the late 80s born don't feel as old school as the early-mid 80s born. ::) ::) ::)


I just can't picture those born in 1982 like Jordan or HELL even 1985 born like Chris saying N64 and Gameboy color were major parts of their childhood.... :o  or that they were big into pokemania!

If you're born in 95, then from your point of view, or basing your opinion on the few mid 80s babies you know, isn't the "tell all" about that cohort. Like I been saying through out this site as well as many places on the internet about this topic. Mid 80s and late 80s babies are Not different culturally.

There's always an overlap in age groups. With you probably being an exception, I don't think mid 90s babies have that much in common with late 80s babies, like those born the early 90s would have.

Mid 80s and late 80s are the same generation. And I'm not talking about no media or marketer's made up millennial generation crap either. I'm talking about a personal generation. Thoes who are born a few years of you in either direction. As someone born in 85 thoes from about 83 to about 88 are my generation. Being born in the mid 80s I can relate to both sides, early and late 80s. I do see a little gap between me and those born in 80/82 and to thoes born in 89/90. Not a huge one but I can tell the childhood were somewhat different. Like I said there's always an overlap between age groups.

I'm not trying to take a personal shot at you at all. You're find, but the age demographic for Call of Duty is COMPLETELY different than the age demographic for half of the NES games, Sega games, and N64 games. In fact, if anything, core to late millennials who grew up with the the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, or XBOX as kids ended up growing up with mature games like Call of Duty on the PS3, XBOX 360, PS4, or XBOX One when they became teenagers or young adults. Yes, 2000's kids did grow up with Call of Duty, but they grew up with Call of Duty when their 2000's kid childhood was over with. When we were kids during the 2000's we were playing kiddy/cartoony games on the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, PSP, or Nintendo DS.


Pretty much. I'm see a ton of core-late millennials (and very early Plurals) who've grown up with gaming starting from the 5th gen. To say that a mid 2000s born grew up with Call of Duty is honestly wrong. Call of Duty didn't hit mainstream success in gaming until the late 2000s (when the 7th gen hit its peak). Someone from the mid 1990s wouldn't been in their preteens or teens by the time that happened and not kids. They wouldn't have grown up with 7th gen games during their childhood. Someone from 1995 or '96 (in most cases) would've started gaming between ages 4 or 5 (1999 /2000) which is when the PS1 and N64 were still big. By the time Call of Duty Modern Warfare would've came out and hit popularity they'd be 12 or 13 with their childhoods already over. A '95er would've had the N64/PS1 in early-core childhood. PS2/NGC/DC/XB in core-late childhood. And Wii/X360/PS3 at the VERY end of their childhood (assuming it didn't already end). Only 2000s kids to really grow up with 7th gen games were those born in the early 2000s.  It's like assuming that just because I'm from 1990 I wouldn't be able to remember the SNES/Genesis despite owning on by age 5.

I think other things a 1990 born and 1985 born could relate on are some cartoons like Rugrats and the Simpsons since those both ran during each of our core childhood years and Super Nes games and even the later Nes games released in 1993 and 1994 if one were to start playing video games at the age of 3.


Yeah I can generally relate to 1990ers when it comes to kid culture between 1995 and about 1999, which is when shows like Rugrats, Doug, Hey Arnold, etc were popular.  I stopped watching cartoons when I was 13.  Early 2000s stuff like Zoog Disney, Lizzy McGuire, the Amanda Show, etc I am unable to relate to.  I've heard of most of those shows because I had a younger sister who watched them, but I was a teenager at the time and wouldn't be caught dead watching that stuff.

I'm not trying to take a personal shot at you at all. You're find, but the age demographic for Call of Duty is COMPLETELY different than the age demographic for half of the NES games, Sega games, and N64 games. In fact, if anything, core to late millennials who grew up with the the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, or XBOX as kids ended up growing up with mature games like Call of Duty on the PS3, XBOX 360, PS4, or XBOX One when they became teenagers or young adults. Yes, 2000's kids did grow up with Call of Duty, but they grew up with Call of Duty when their 2000's kid childhood was over with. When we were kids during the 2000's we were playing kiddy/cartoony games on the N64, PS1, PS2, Gamecube, XBOX, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, PSP, or Nintendo DS.


I think how you feel about the Wii is also how I feel about the PS2. I bought it when I was 11, but it was still a relevant console up until I was 14/15. It's a "late childhood" console but a lot of my favourite games for it came out when I was already in high school (Okami, Godhand, Shadow of the Collosus, Persona 3 and 4, Odin Sphere etc.), and the games being in the bargain bin in the late 2000s is when I bought most of them  ;D

I think how you feel about the Wii is also how I feel about the PS2. I bought it when I was 11, but it was still a relevant console up until I was 14/15. It's a "late childhood" console but a lot of my favourite games for it came out when I was already in high school (Okami, Godhand, Shadow of the Collosus, Persona 3 and 4, Odin Sphere etc.), and the games being in the bargain bin in the late 2000s is when I bought most of them  ;D


Yeah, the only difference is that the PS2 came out in 2000 and hit its peak by 2002, so you were 9 still in your core childhood when the PS2 hit its peak, even though you didn't get it until you were 11 in 2004 when you were in your late childhood (like me getting the Wii in 2007 when I was 11). Like you said, the PS2 was a relevant console for a LONG time. It was still relevant throughout the mid 2000's too. The Wii on the other hand, was only relevant throughout the late 2000's and I was 11 already in my late childhood when it hit its peak and I was 12-14 when I enjoyed my favorite games for it. The Wii's popularity died around 2010 or so, despite still making games for the console regularly until the Wii U came in 2012. By the early 2010's I was playing XBOX 360 games including Call of Duty Black Ops and I no longer played the Wii, that was NOT part of my childhood at all. The second half of the XBOX 360's popularity (Kinect era) and the PS3's popularity was a teen thing for most people around my age. It was the second half of 7th gen gaming. 

Everybody is so hell bent on wanting to make like there's this HUGE difference between thoes born in the mid 80s and the late 80s. Honestly I don't see a "culture" difference between thoes two cohorts. You mentioned the mid 80s babies entering highschool in the late 90s was the difference.  Well thoes of us born in the mid 80s(84 to 86) started highschool in the fall of 99(the September 84 to august 85 babies). Thoes September 85 to august 86 babies who started a year later are not "culturely " different. 

I seen where you said you're from GA, I'm also from GA, Gwinnett County to be exact, and I don't see this "cultural" difference between an 85er like myself and my 87er friends and cousin. We came up with the same things and relate to the same things,  cartoons, toys, video games, kid shows, music from our teens, movies, sitcoms, major world events, similar views, etc etc...

You seem to try to distant yourself from people older then you by saying you don't have that much in common with people a few years older then you , but have a lot in common with people much younger. I have not seen many 87ers claiming or wanting to be associated with thoes born in the 90s, especially the mid 90s, fact is right there is a cultural difference.

The fact is there's always an overlap with age groups. I'm born in 85 but I can relate to someone just twos younger, like i can someone years older. You being born in 87 probably wouldn't consider someone born in 83 apart of your "age group" just like i wouldn't consider someone born in 89 apart of mine(although I do consider 89ers an outlier of my age group, close enough to still relate but far out enough to not relate if you get what I mean). But there's not this cultural difference between Mid and latest 80s babies. Maybe alittle with the 89ers but not with the 87ers

Woah calm the fu*k down bro. I was talking about how I RELATE to mid and late 80s babies. I just see the late 80s babies as more like "older siblings" and mid 80s babies as more "older guys"

There's always an overlap in age groups. With you probably being an exception, I don't think mid 90s babies have that much in common with late 80s babies, like those born the early 90s would have.


Dude, I don't think he was trying to say he had everything in common with people born in the late 80's, he was just saying that he was old enough to experience the N64. Everybody born in the mid 90's were old enough to experience 5th generation gaming at the earliest.

If you're born in 95, then from your point of view, or basing your opinion on the few mid 80s babies you know, isn't the "tell all" about that cohort. Like I been saying through out this site as well as many places on the internet about this topic. Mid 80s and late 80s babies are Not different culturally.

There's always an overlap in age groups. With you probably being an exception, I don't think mid 90s babies have that much in common with late 80s babies, like those born the early 90s would have.

Mid 80s and late 80s are the same generation. And I'm not talking about no media or marketer's made up millennial generation crap either. I'm talking about a personal generation. Thoes who are born a few years of you in either direction. As someone born in 85 thoes from about 83 to about 88 are my generation. Being born in the mid 80s I can relate to both sides, early and late 80s. I do see a little gap between me and those born in 80/82 and to thoes born in 89/90. Not a huge one but I can tell the childhood were somewhat different. Like I said there's always an overlap between age groups.

Sigh... Once again, I know that you view them as about the same. Just like how I view 1993-early 1998 born as my peers.

But, I was just saying how I RELATE to them both.

Like Ive said before EVERYTHING machineheld stated earlier is the reason why I view him as a big brother type and not as an "older guy" type.

Dude, I don't think he was trying to say he had everything in common with people born in the late 80's, he was just saying that he was old enough to experience the N64. Everybody born in the mid 90's were old enough to experience 5th generation gaming at the earliest.

Thenk you Marquis. :) 
The point I'm trying to make to this dude is that I can relate to late 80s born when it comes to the millennium era stuff, which is why view late 80s babies like machine held  as more older sibling types.

Woah calm the fu*k down bro. I was talking about how I RELATE to mid and late 80s babies. I just see the late 80s babies as more like "older siblings" and mid 80s babies as more "older guys"


Agree with this.  I myself find I relate to 90s babies a bit more than 70s babies though.  We don't share the same childhood, but we do have a similar worldview on a lot of things.  One thing both 80s and 90s babies share in common is both grew up during the digital revolution and in a post-Cold War political environment (though 80s babies may remember the very end of the Cold War).

70s babies grew up in a pre-digital society and there are some distinct cultural differences as a result, moreso than the differences between 80s and 90s babies.

Yeah, the only difference is that the PS2 came out in 2000 and hit its peak by 2002, so you were 9 still in your core childhood when the PS2 hit its peak, even though you didn't get it until you were 11 in 2004 when you were in your late childhood (like me getting the Wii in 2007 when I was 11). Like you said, the PS2 was a relevant console for a LONG time. It was still relevant throughout the mid 2000's too. The Wii on the other hand, was only relevant throughout the late 2000's and I was 11 already in my late childhood when it hit its peak and I was 12-14 when I enjoyed my favorite games for it. The Wii's popularity died around 2010 or so, despite still making games for the console regularly until the Wii U came in 2012. By the early 2010's I was playing XBOX 360 games including Call of Duty Black Ops and I no longer played the Wii, that was NOT part of my childhood at all. The second half of the XBOX 360's popularity (Kinect era) and the PS3's popularity was a teen thing for most people around my age. It was the second half of 7th gen gaming.


Yep that's true. The Wii was very short lived but the 7th generation was really long with different consoles being popular in different eras of it. 8th generation looks set to be an even bigger clusterfu*k ;D

Oh, we were talking about MSN Messenger rather than the website  ;D it doesn't exist anymore, it got swept under Skype  :\'(


Skype is the new MSN Messenger.

Everybody is so hell bent on wanting to make like there's this HUGE difference between thoes born in the mid 80s and the late 80s. Honestly I don't see a "culture" difference between thoes two cohorts. You mentioned the mid 80s babies entering highschool in the late 90s was the difference.  Well thoes of us born in the mid 80s(84 to 86) started highschool in the fall of 99(the September 84 to august 85 babies). Thoes September 85 to august 86 babies who started a year later are not "culturely " different. 

I seen where you said you're from GA, I'm also from GA, Gwinnett County to be exact, and I don't see this "cultural" difference between an 85er like myself and my 87er friends and cousin. We came up with the same things and relate to the same things,  cartoons, toys, video games, kid shows, music from our teens, movies, sitcoms, major world events, similar views, etc etc...

You seem to try to distant yourself from people older then you by saying you don't have that much in common with people a few years older then you , but have a lot in common with people much younger. I have not seen many 87ers claiming or wanting to be associated with thoes born in the 90s, especially the mid 90s, fact is right there is a cultural difference.

The fact is there's always an overlap with age groups. I'm born in 85 but I can relate to someone just twos younger, like i can someone years older. You being born in 87 probably wouldn't consider someone born in 83 apart of your "age group" just like i wouldn't consider someone born in 89 apart of mine(although I do consider 89ers an outlier of my age group, close enough to still relate but far out enough to not relate if you get what I mean). But there's not this cultural difference between Mid and latest 80s babies. Maybe alittle with the 89ers but not with the 87ers


If you look at my previous post before that one, I was essentially agreeing with what you're saying. As I said, I don't feel like there is very much gap at all between mid and late '80s babies in terms of our experiences. The overwhelming majority of my friends were born between 1985-1988 and none of us have any problem whatsoever relating to each other. For the most part, we watched the same shows as kids, listened to the same music as teens, and faced the same issues with trying to enter the workforce during the aftermath of the Great Recession as young adults.


I agree there isn't a huge difference between mid/late 80s babies. But that's not really what he's saying, he's just saying people born in the late '80s babies are more likely to get into Y2K era kid fads than mid '80s babies, which is true. It's not a "huge" difference as you say, but to someone born 1995 who has little in common with someone born 1985, but a few things in common with someone born 1987, that would feel like a difference worth noting.


That's exactly what I was trying to say. For example, there's a young guy that I work with (born in 1996), I don't know him well, but we talk from time to time. Most of the stuff I grew up with as a kid was before his time, but one area we can always relate is talking about Y2K era stuff like the Nintendo 64, Pokemon, Toonami, etc. Despite the nine year age gap, he remembers a lot of those things when they were popular as a 4 or 5-year-old.

His first video game console was actually a PlayStation 1. I've told him on several occasions that whenever he wants to play I'm more than willing to school him in a game of Tekken 3 anytime. ;)

That's exactly what I was trying to say. For example, there's a young guy that I work with (born in 1996), I don't know him well, but we talk from time to time. Most of the stuff I grew up with as a kid was before his time, but one area we can always relate is talking about Y2K era stuff like the Nintendo 64, Pokemon, Toonami, etc. Despite the nine year age gap, he remembers a lot of those things when they were popular as a 4 or 5-year-old.

His first video game console was actually a PlayStation 1. I've told him on several occasions that whenever he wants to play I'm more than willing to school him in a game of Tekken 3 anytime. ;)


Wow, that's a pretty big gap!  ;D I'm surprised you found anything in common. I carpool with my coworker who's 9 years older than me (1984) and there's no childhood overlap, not that I prodded much. ;D (he plays Pokémon though but that's a teen thing for him)

That makes me wonder if I have any overlap with someone born 2002... I guess we'll have to wait and see.  ???

Wow, that's a pretty big gap!  ;D I'm surprised you found anything in common. I carpool with my coworker who's 9 years older than me (1984) and there's no childhood overlap, not that I prodded much. ;D (he plays Pokémon though but that's a teen thing for him)

That makes me wonder if I have any overlap with someone born 2002... I guess we'll have to wait and see.  ???


I find that just because you don't share the same childhood doesn't mean you cannot be friends and relate in other ways.  A good friend of mine was born in 1968.  We share nothing in common in how we grew up but that doesn't matter.  I have another very close friend born in 1993, much younger than me.  We do share commonalities when it comes to world view and music but don't share the same kid culture.  That doesn't matter though.  The concept of age is very important when you are in school and maybe into your early twenties, but after that, it doesn't really matter that much in my opinion.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. For example, there's a young guy that I work with (born in 1996), I don't know him well, but we talk from time to time. Most of the stuff I grew up with as a kid was before his time, but one area we can always relate is talking about Y2K era stuff like the Nintendo 64, Pokemon, Toonami, etc. Despite the nine year age gap, he remembers a lot of those things when they were popular as a 4 or 5-year-old.

His first video game console was actually a PlayStation 1. I've told him on several occasions that whenever he wants to play I'm more than willing to school him in a game of Tekken 3 anytime. ;)

That's exactly what I was trying to tell dat dude. I was NEVER saying that mid and late 80s born were differently from each other, I was saying I RELATED to both MUCH differently. The statements you and BChris have been making have backed it up.

Yeah I can generally relate to 1990ers when it comes to kid culture between 1995 and about 1999, which is when shows like Rugrats, Doug, Hey Arnold, etc were popular.  I stopped watching cartoons when I was 13.  Early 2000s stuff like Zoog Disney, Lizzy McGuire, the Amanda Show, etc I am unable to relate to.  I've heard of most of those shows because I had a younger sister who watched them, but I was a teenager at the time and wouldn't be caught dead watching that stuff.

So I guess you probably weren't big into the anime craze of the Y2k era.(DBZ, Pokémon, Gundam, Cowboy Bebop etc.)
I know for a fact machine held was. ;)

I agree there isn't a huge difference between mid/late 80s babies. But that's not really what he's saying, he's just saying people born in the late '80s babies are more likely to get into Y2K era kid fads than mid '80s babies, which is true. It's not a "huge" difference as you say, but to someone born 1995 who has little in common with someone born 1985, but a few things in common with someone born 1987, that would feel like a difference worth noting.

Yup. Thank you slowpoke. You hit the nail right on the head! :) ::) ;)

I find that just because you don't share the same childhood doesn't mean you cannot be friends and relate in other ways.  A good friend of mine was born in 1968.  We share nothing in common in how we grew up but that doesn't matter.  I have another very close friend born in 1993, much younger than me.  We do share commonalities when it comes to world view and music but don't share the same kid culture.  That doesn't matter though.  The concept of age is very important when you are in school and maybe into your early twenties, but after that, it doesn't really matter that much in my opinion.


Oh yeah, for sure. Whether you're 7 or 70 I can get along if we have enough things in common or you're super smart. I don't even mention age until it naturally comes up in the conversation.

Btw, a '93er that shares your music opinion... did you indoctrinate him to hate Ariana Grande??  :-X Lol jk.

Woah calm the fu*k down bro. I was talking about how I RELATE to mid and late 80s babies. I just see the late 80s babies as more like "older siblings" and mid 80s babies as more "older guys"

Calm down? First off I wasn'tangry when I posted that, I was just explaining how it was. I didnt curse anybody on here. You misinterpreted my post as soneone kind of hate speech. Maybe you need to calm down?

I've been thinking about how many of us millennials born in the 80s have vivid memories of newspapers, life without home computers, believing the hacker lifestyle was like...Hackers (1995).

What makes older millennials (80s babies) and younger millennials (90s babies) unique respectively?


You were born in the same year as my boyfriend. Older Millennial.

I would say older Millennials were the last group to watch VHS tapes and remember a time without home computers or the internet.

I find that just because you don't share the same childhood doesn't mean you cannot be friends and relate in other ways.  A good friend of mine was born in 1968.  We share nothing in common in how we grew up but that doesn't matter.  I have another very close friend born in 1993, much younger than me.  We do share commonalities when it comes to world view and music but don't share the same kid culture.  That doesn't matter though.  The concept of age is very important when you are in school and maybe into your early twenties, but after that, it doesn't really matter that much in my opinion.

You said it best. After high school age doesn't matter for friendships. I'm friends now with middle aged women because I like some of the stuff they do. One of them even likes the music I do, and no, she's not too old for it.  :P Obviously we weren't exposed to the same childhood and teen pop culture, but that stuff isn't important once you're past that age anyway.

I  have another very close friend born in 1993, much younger than me.  We do share commonalities when it comes to world view and music but don't share the same kid culture. 

Eh, It wasn't too too different... ::) 

I would say older Millennials were the last group to watch VHS tapes

That's completely untrue.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I grew up with VHS until 2003/04.

You were born in the same year as my boyfriend. Older Millennial.

I would say older Millennials were the last group to watch VHS tapes and remember a time without home computers or the internet.


Nah. I remember when my family usually watched VHS tapes until 2006, even though we had DVDs at the time.

I'm a 1990er and growing up  I hangout with my cousins who were born between 1988-1993 so I feel like I can relate with people born in that age range.

That's completely untrue.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I grew up with VHS until 2003/04.


Yeah, and even though DVD's were more common than VHS's by 2003, all of us younger millennials can still remember when VHS's were more common from 2000-2002. I hope she meant older millennials were the last ones to grow up with VHS the whole time under 18.

I'd say Gen Z (wherever it starts is your choice) can also remember VHS tapes, if your family wasn't rich.

I mean, my brother was born in 1999 and he grew up watching the Star Wars trilogy many many times on VHS (the unaltered version of the original trilogy, at that - we never bought the Special editions).

I'd say Gen Z (wherever it starts is your choice) can also remember VHS tapes, if your family wasn't rich.

I mean, my brother was born in 1999 and he grew up watching the Star Wars trilogy many many times on VHS (the unaltered version of the original trilogy, at that - we never bought the Special editions).
I believe they were talking about when it was still common to use or see VHS tapes. Most Zeds don't remember a time when they were in place.

I'd say Gen Z (wherever it starts is your choice) can also remember VHS tapes, if your family wasn't rich.

I mean, my brother was born in 1999 and he grew up watching the Star Wars trilogy many many times on VHS (the unaltered version of the original trilogy, at that - we never bought the Special editions).


Well, I think it's rather uncommon to see VHS tapes since 2004. Pretty much everybody at the time had a DVD player, and they just used VHS tapes to watch family memories at the time. Even though I did use VHS tapes to watch crap until I was about 8, I still used DVDs so much as a kid. I still use DVDs at this moment, but it's not like VHS tapes felt superior. I didn't even find them important compared to DVDs. Especially when my family recorded a lot of stuff on the DVD-R format in late 2004-early 2007.

Well, I think it's rather uncommon to see VHS tapes since 2004. Pretty much everybody at the time had a DVD player, and they just used VHS tapes to watch family memories at the time. Even though I did use VHS tapes to watch crap until I was about 8, I still used DVDs so much as a kid. I still use DVDs at this moment, but it's not like VHS tapes felt superior. I didn't even find them important compared to DVDs. Especially when my family recorded a lot of stuff on the DVD-R format in late 2004-early 2007.


2003 you mean when DVD's became more common? Or 2006 when VHS fully died off.

2003 you mean when DVD's became more common? Or 2006 when VHS fully died off.


2003-2006 was like the dying age of VHS tapes. Yeah, 2003 or early 2004 could be where DVDs set off, but a lot of people (including my family) still had a VCR until the late 2000s.

2003-2006 was like the dying age of VHS tapes. Yeah, 2003 or early 2004 could be where DVDs set off, but a lot of people (including my family) still had a VCR until the late 2000s.


The children's hospital here still has a VHS player in 2016 lol.

The children's hospital here still has a VHS player in 2016 lol.


Either your children's hospital doesn't keep up with the times, or it's probably run by JordanK1982.  :P

Either your children's hospital doesn't keep up with the times, or it's probably run by JordanK1982.  :P


;D

They probably didn't want to throw all their VHS tapes out. That would be a waste of money. They have DVD players too.

;D

They probably didn't want to throw all their VHS tapes out. That would be a waste of money. They have DVD players too.


Oh. That's not bad. At least they would have their patients see when people had to use them a lot in the 80s and 90s.

True.  The boy bands also took on a more urban sound in 2001, remixing their songs with rappers such as Nelly.  The peak of teeh pop was really the 1999-2000 school year.  As for how old you have to be to like it, I guess that depends on if you are a guy or a girl.  Guys who still liked teen pop after age 13 or so had their sexuality questioned.  Girls on the other hand were free to like it all the way until it faded.  You can really tell how old guys were in the '99-00 school year by how they react when a Backstreet Boys song comes on.  If you were in elementary school or younger you are super nostalgic for it.  If you were in middle or high school, you still think its gay/lame.

Here's an old post which says that you could tell how old one was in the late '90s-early '00s depending on how they perceive teen pop. I guess it's true. I've noticed that early Millennials, male ones especially, think of teen pop as the bane of their teens and early twenties, while late Millennials think of it as nostalgic, like myself who thinks of it as a fond early childhood memory. At the same time, I find that females born in 1983-1987 are often part of the "I've liked teen pop ever since it was new'' cohort.

The children's hospital here still has a VHS player in 2016 lol.


My high school still owns VHS/DVD combos and analogue TVs. :P

My high school still owns VHS/DVD combos and analogue TVs. :P


That's cool. My high school still has some VCR/DVD combos as well.

The children's hospital here still has a VHS player in 2016 lol.


You must be kidding. :o

You must be kidding. :o


That seems to be out of place for 2016.

You must be kidding. :o


Maybe I'll take a picture next time I'm there, if I remember.

Millennials end in 2004 so in reality a lot of people called core Millennials are really at the end of the early end.

Here's an old post which says that you could tell how old one was in the late '90s-early '00s depending on how they perceive teen pop. I guess it's true. I've noticed that early Millennials, male ones especially, think of teen pop as the bane of their teens, while late Millennials think of it as nostalgic, like myself who thinks of as a fond early childhood memory. At the same time, I find that females born in 1983-1987 are often part of the "I've liked teen pop ever since it was new'' cohort.


I think there were a lot of guys born from 1983-87 that liked or at least tolerated N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys but never would have admitted it back then. The Y2K-era was a pretty homophobic era and it didn't take much back then to have your sexuality questioned.  Admitting to liking N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys was one of those things.  Even as last as 2003, when Justin Timberlake went solo, no self-respecting straight male would admit to listening to him.  While Timberlake's music was much more mature, he still had the "Nsync" stigma especially during the "Justified" era.  It was alright to like Britney Spears however because she was hot.  It makes me wonder how today's teens view artists like One Direction, Ariana Grande, and 5 Seconds of Summer.

It makes me wonder how today's teens view artists like One Direction, Ariana Grande, and 5 Seconds of Summer.

I'm not sure if the Internet represents all of today's teens, but on other sites (especially YouTube) I'm always seeing teens saying how artists like Justin Bieber or One Direction are "gay" and how 50s-90s artists like Queen, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles are "for real manly men", or how they were "born in the wrong generation" of music, or how they want to "apologize" for there "stupid peers" who listen to modern pop. :P

Some things never change.

I think there were a lot of guys born from 1983-87 that liked or at least tolerated N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys but never would have admitted it back then. The Y2K-era was a pretty homophobic era and it didn't take much back then to have your sexuality questioned.  Admitting to liking N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys was one of those things.  Even as last as 2003, when Justin Timberlake went solo, no self-respecting straight male would admit to listening to him.  While Timberlake's music was much more mature, he still had the "Nsync" stigma especially during the "Justified" era.  It was alright to like Britney Spears however because she was hot.  It makes me wonder how today's teens view artists like One Direction, Ariana Grande, and 5 Seconds of Summer.


A lot of my friends used to hate on Justin Bieber, Jonas Brothers, One Direction, Big Time Rush and the like in 2009/2010 when I was in high school. Though to be fair, not even the girls liked them. They were truly for kids/preteens only ;D

I think there were a lot of guys born from 1983-87 that liked or at least tolerated N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys but never would have admitted it back then. The Y2K-era was a pretty homophobic era and it didn't take much back then to have your sexuality questioned.  Admitting to liking N'Sync or the Backstreet Boys was one of those things.  Even as last as 2003, when Justin Timberlake went solo, no self-respecting straight male would admit to listening to him.  While Timberlake's music was much more mature, he still had the "Nsync" stigma especially during the "Justified" era.  It was alright to like Britney Spears however because she was hot.  It makes me wonder how today's teens view artists like One Direction, Ariana Grande, and 5 Seconds of Summer.


You're dead on about this, and it extended beyond 1983ers-1987ers as well. I went through middle school and high school with kids born as late as 1990, and even among early '90s born males you saw some of this homophobic backlash to Y2k era Teen Pop. You could listen to garbage like Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock all day long, but professing anything short of total contempt for the Backstreet Boys, N'Sync, 98 Degrees, etc. was pretty much a surefire way to get branded as being "so gay".

You guys should check out this piece about VHS, it's funny (especially the first two paragraphs).

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/VHS


Most Uncyclopedia articles aren't that funny.

I was picked on a bit for liking Avril Lavigne in 2002/3, but once the straights heard Sk8er boi they got into it too.

My friend (who was gay too) got beat up for liking Hillary Duff in 2003/4.

This viral video was popular when I was in middle school. Oh man, I used to think it was the funniest thing.  :-X :-X :-X

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It's so early-mid-2000s. Embarrassing to look back on.

I know this is old AF, but I was brought here by the profile of a member whose birthday is today:

Hell, they were even ripping on the early '00s in 2009. I remember that a classmate was disgusted when I sang Oops!... I Did It Again because that song was apparently "sooo retro." (He said it in a snotty, gay-boy-trying-to-sound-like-a-Valley-girl kinda way.)


Funnily enough, he was born two years before me, or 1994.

He was probably just being ironic/sarcastic. A true late 2000s teen.


You guys should check out this piece about VHS, it's funny (especially the first two paragraphs).

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/VHS


Wow that's surprisingly funny lol.

I think older and older/cusper millennials are kind of like younger and younger/cusper millennials in many ways because they both grew up with the Internet and spent a bit more time playing inside. However, I think younger, and younger/cuspers to a slight degree, are sort of like early Z because they were too young to have had 9/11 affect their lives and they may have watched Naruto back when it was brand new. Older millennials have to have been teenagers when the Internet became popular, so by definition anybody born before August 1982 is Gen-X while anyone born after August 1982 is millennial. I guess there are some 80-borns who liked Ren & Stimpy, Animaniacs, and social media, but they still remember a time when greed was good, so they can't be authentic millennials, though then again maybe you could sort of call them Y/Z-cuspers.


He was probably just being ironic/sarcastic. A true late 2000s teen.

You have to have been just too young to vote for Obama in 2008 to be a true late 2000s teen.

I think older and older/cusper millennials are kind of like younger and younger/cusper millennials in many ways because they both grew up with the Internet and spent a bit more time playing inside. However, I think younger, and younger/cuspers to a slight degree, are sort of like early Z because they were too young to have had 9/11 affect their lives and they may have watched Naruto back when it was brand new. Older millennials have to have been teenagers when the Internet became popular, so by definition anybody born before August 1982 is Gen-X while anyone born after August 1982 is millennial. I guess there are some 80-borns who liked Ren & Stimpy, Animaniacs, and social media, but they still remember a time when greed was good, so they can't be authentic millennials, though then again maybe you could sort of call them Y/Z-cuspers.

You have to have been just too young to vote for Obama in 2008 to be a true late 2000s teen.


When do you think the Millennials end? I've heard 2004 as the last date lately.

When do you think the Millennials end? I've heard 2004 as the last date lately.


They end precisely in 1998 because anybody born in 1999 or later cannot remember 9/11 and therefore cannot genuinely relate to anybody a few years older than them. 2004 is factually incorrect.

When do you think the Millennials end? I've heard 2004 as the last date lately.


Nobody should ever use 2004 as the last year for Millennial babies. Seriously, what made you consider them to be Millennials? They were post 9/11 babies, had an early-mid 2010s childhood, and were one of the first kids to use iOS devices excessively. I didn't even hang out with most of them, since they're 5-6 years younger than me. I know that seems ageist, but I really don't think I could relate myself towards somebody who's still in middle school.  By the way, anybody who was born after 2001 should've just been called Homelanders.

I love how I just post meandering nonsense by intention and yet you guys are still taking it seriously.

I wouldn't be so hung up if Chucky hadn't felt the need to punish my thread as opposed to all of the other generic, trashy generationology topics that most of you people profess to be tired of, yet constantly perpetuate regardless.

Nobody should ever use 2004 as the last year for Millennial babies. Seriously, what made you consider them to be Millennials? They were post 9/11 babies, had an early-mid 2010s childhood, and were one of the first kids to use iOS devices excessively. I didn't even hang out with most of them, since they're 5-6 years younger than me. I know that seems ageist, but I really don't think I could relate myself towards somebody who's still in middle school.  By the way, anybody who was born after 2001 should've just been called Homelanders.


They were the last to remember some life before the 08 crash and could absorb the vibes of the better economy. Every single person born in 2004, was 3 before 2008 hit. I think 2008 was more important in shaping Millennials than 2001.  It might be a mega generation like the GI generation.

I think older and older/cusper millennials are kind of like younger and younger/cusper millennials in many ways because they both grew up with the Internet and spent a bit more time playing inside. However, I think younger, and younger/cuspers to a slight degree, are sort of like early Z because they were too young to have had 9/11 affect their lives and they may have watched Naruto back when it was brand new. Older millennials have to have been teenagers when the Internet became popular, so by definition anybody born before August 1982 is Gen-X while anyone born after August 1982 is millennial. I guess there are some 80-borns who liked Ren & Stimpy, Animaniacs, and social media, but they still remember a time when greed was good, so they can't be authentic millennials, though then again maybe you could sort of call them Y/Z-cuspers.

You have to have been just too young to vote for Obama in 2008 to be a true late 2000s teen.



I love how I just post meandering nonsense by intention and yet you guys are still taking it seriously.

I wouldn't be so hung up if Chucky hadn't felt the need to punish my thread as opposed to all of the other generic, trashy generationology topics that most of you people profess to be tired of, yet constantly perpetuate regardless.


Ouch, the sarcasm is lethal.  :( To be fair, I really liked this thread and didn't think it was at all a discussion like that, except at a few junctions. We talked about how we grew up differently, and how being different ages at different times shaped us personally. There were a few people talking about Gen Z start dates but they never managed to derail the entire thread as far as I remember.

And not you replying sarcastically to my already satirical post. A true late 2000s teen conundrum ;D

They were the last to remember some life before the 08 crash and could absorb the vibes of the better economy. Every single person born in 2004, was 3 before 2008 hit. I think 2008 was more important in shaping Millennials than 2001.  It might be a mega generation like the GI generation.


I would accept the compromise year (2000) as the cutoff between Gen Y and Gen Z.

They were the last to remember some life before the 08 crash and could absorb the vibes of the better economy. Every single person born in 2004, was 3 before 2008 hit. I think 2008 was more important in shaping Millennials than 2001.  It might be a mega generation like the GI generation.


Remembering the damn recession doesn't mean ANYTHING!! I was 8 and a half when it happened, but it's not like I ever knew that the economy crashed badly. It wasn't even until 6 years later, when I found out that the Global Recession was an actual thing. This is the same bullcrap that people probably said to anyone who was 3-6 during 9/11. What did they ever do that was significant during the attacks? I think all they remembered was watching cartoons or going to school, and then all of a sudden, their parents have to change the channel for some reason.

For something like the 2008 recession, it doesn't mean a damn thing towards anybody who was a kid during the 2000s. It mattered towards those who were born in the 80s and early 90s, since they were going to the real world. People who were born in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s didn't give a crap nonetheless, and probably watched cartoons or other sorts of kids/preteen television at the time. Does remembering the recession equals to a huge invite towards a historical documentary? Because no one really think it's that much of a highlight. Plus, it already happened at the very end of '43 Bush's presidency, so it already lingered towards Obama's first term (for the most part).

They were the last to remember some life before the 08 crash and could absorb the vibes of the better economy. Every single person born in 2004, was 3 before 2008 hit. I think 2008 was more important in shaping Millennials than 2001.  It might be a mega generation like the GI generation.


Hell naw, those aren't reasons for 2004 born's being the last for millennials, you're 10 years late, and 2004 born's don't remember a time before the 2008 crash period. You think babies and toddlers understand the economy? Even their memories would be too vague anyway. Highly doubt that. Honestly, I'd consider it a lot more of an insult to call 2001-2004 babies millennials than somebody calling me (born in 1996) part of Generation Z. I'd rather 1996 born's be considered part of Gen Z any day over considering a 2004 baby as a millennial. That's blasphemy.

For something like the 2008 recession, it doesn't mean a damn thing towards anybody who was a kid during the 2000s. It mattered towards those who were born in the 80s and early 90s, since they were going to the real world. People who were born in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s didn't give a crap nonetheless, and probably watched cartoons or other sorts of kids or preteen television at the time. Does remembering the recession equals to a huge invite towards a historical documentary? Because no one really think it's that much of a highlight. Plus, it already happened at the very end of '43 Bush's presidency, so it already lingered towards Obama's first term (for the most part).


I TOTALLY AGREE! Please tell this person to stop lumping 2000's babies with the millennial/Gen Y category. I was 12 in 2008 and I consider myself as one of the very last people to remember how the world actually was before the recession and crash happened. I was just understanding politics, economy, and geography the first time around late 2006/07, which was only a year or two away from the stock market crash in late 2008. The 2008 election is also the first one I can remember as well. Hardly anybody born in the 2000's can remember how the world was before the late 2000's recession happened.

Omg guys nooooooo 😱

The parameters for this thread are in the OP. The olds are 1980s borns and and the youngs are born in the 1990s. This thread is about differences. I'm not against talking about start/end dates but there's the "new way of defining generations" mega thread in the More Than A Decade board.

2000 is the right cutoff year for Gen Y and Gen Z. Plus, it coincides with the start of the 21st century. 1996 is too early and 2004 is too late.

Remembering the damn recession doesn't mean ANYTHING!! I was 8 and a half when it happened, but it's not like I ever knew that the economy crashed badly. It wasn't even until 6 years later, when I found out that the Global Recession was an actual thing. This is the same bullcrap that people probably said to anyone who was 3-6 during 9/11. What did they ever do that was significant during the attacks? I think all they remembered was watching cartoons or going to school, and then all of a sudden, their parents have to change the channel for some reason.

For something like the 2008 recession, it doesn't mean a damn thing towards anybody who was a kid during the 2000s. It mattered towards those who were born in the 80s and early 90s, since they were going to the real world. People who were born in the mid-late 90s and early 2000s didn't give a crap nonetheless, and probably watched cartoons or other sorts of kids/preteen television at the time. Does remembering the recession equals to a huge invite towards a historical documentary? Because no one really think it's that much of a highlight. Plus, it already happened at the very end of '43 Bush's presidency, so it already lingered towards Obama's first term (for the most part).


It did matter to the kids who's families became poor or who had family lose jobs because of the crash. You're right about the people who didn't have their families effected. I knew of someone who lost hundreds of thousands he was counting on because he invested almost all his money in one company. When the 08 crash happened he lost it so some families could be severely effected.

I love how I just post meandering nonsense by intention and yet you guys are still taking it seriously.

I wouldn't be so hung up if Chucky hadn't felt the need to punish my thread as opposed to all of the other generic, trashy generationology topics that most of you people profess to be tired of, yet constantly perpetuate regardless.


I agree. I noticed they locked your thread, too. This is ridiculous.

It's like I said in the other thread, why do you guys care so god damn much about when what generation ends??? Seriously, what's it gonna prove if you're generation Y, Z or whatever? Come on, you guys have got to have other interests to define yourselves than something so inane and worthless as a subjective generation. It's always the same cycle over and over. If someone has an opinion and you consider that the wrong generational boundary, you all get upset and start going on about who has the "real facts". It's gotten to a seriously stupid point and I'm sure Donnie Darko is smiling upon you all in his underground lair.

Hell naw, those aren't reasons for 2004 born's being the last for millennials, you're 10 years late, and 2004 born's don't remember a time before the 2008 crash period. You think babies and toddlers understand the economy? Even their memories would be too vague anyway. Highly doubt that. Honestly, I'd consider it a lot more of an insult to call 2001-2004 babies millennials than somebody calling me (born in 1996) part of Generation Z. I'd rather 1996 born's be considered part of Gen Z any day over considering a 2004 baby as a millennial. That's blasphemy.


No but they can absorb people's feelings and the vibes around them. It affects them. People born in 1942-1945 can't remember WW2 but people call them the Silent Generation.

Hell naw, those aren't reasons for 2004 born's being the last for millennials, you're 10 years late, and 2004 born's don't remember a time before the 2008 crash period. You think babies and toddlers understand the economy? Even their memories would be too vague anyway. Highly doubt that. Honestly, I'd consider it a lot more of an insult to call 2001-2004 babies millennials than somebody calling me (born in 1996) part of Generation Z. I'd rather 1996 born's be considered part of Gen Z any day over considering a 2004 baby as a millennial. That's blasphemy.


THIS!!

With all due respect, I'm okay with that. Especially if it deals with anybody born in 1995-2000. But 2004 babies don't mean anything when they're called Millennials. At least half of them were in middle or high school by the time they were born, so it didn't matter so much.


I TOTALLY AGREE! Please tell this person to stop lumping 2000's babies with the millennial/Gen Y category. I was 12 in 2008 and I consider myself as one of the very last people to remember how the world actually was before the recession and crash happened. I was just understanding politics, economy, and geography the first time around late 2006/07, which was only a year or two away from the stock market crash in late 2008. The 2008 election is also the first one I can remember as well. Hardly anybody born in the 2000's can remember how the world was before the late 2000's recession happened.


Half of them weren't even in elementary school when the recession happened (those born in 2004-2008). Something like that seems hugely misinforming.


It did matter to the kids who's families became poor or who had family lose jobs because of the crash. You're right about the people who didn't have their families effected. I knew of someone who lost hundreds of thousands he was counting on because he invested almost all his money in one company. When the 08 crash happened he lost it so some families could be severely effected.


But did it ever affect the kids to you? I mean, it's not like they knew a lot about the economy, let alone notice about a recession. It's like rocket science to them, even if they were toddlers.


No but they can absorb people's feelings and the vibes around them. It affects them. People born in 1942-1945 can't remember WW2 but people call them the Silent Generation.


That's because they didn't give a crap about realizing that 1942-1945 babies weren't in part towards another generation. WWII already described of what they have to face, since they might have relatives who fought during the war or at least suffered through Europe's travesties. And that's a lot of people that you're talking about.

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Ouch, the sarcasm is lethal.  :( To be fair, I really liked this thread and didn't think it was at all a discussion like that, except at a few junctions. We talked about how we grew up differently, and how being different ages at different times shaped us personally. There were a few people talking about Gen Z start dates but they never managed to derail the entire thread as far as I remember.

It's not simply that you're comparing how people born around a broad, general period of time differ from those born during earlier or later eras, it's that you guys are obsessing over the absolute years, perhaps months, that separate older cohorts from younger ones, like it's rocket science or whatever. It's so pointlessly specific and ultimately produces no insight into anything of value. And for Pete's sake, you guys are still spewing this trash at a rapid pace right as Jordan and I draw attention to how useless this topic has grown, oblivious to anything being stated that isn't just continuing this nauseating cycle.

It's not simply that you're comparing how people born around a broad, general period of time differ from those born during earlier or later eras, it's that you guys are obsessing over the absolute years, perhaps months, that separate older cohorts from younger ones, like it's rocket science or whatever. It's so pointlessly specific and ultimately produces no insight into anything of value. And for Pete's sake, you guys are still spewing this trash at a rapid pace right as Jordan and I draw attention to how useless this topic has grown, oblivious to anything being stated that isn't just continuing this nauseating cycle.


I'm doing my best to take in everything you and Jordan have been saying the last couple weeks or so. It's not my fault these annoying threads keep being created or bumped.

I'm doing my best to take in everything you and Jordan have been saying the last couple weeks or so. It's not my fault these annoying threads keep being created or bumped.


Same with me. Since I only joined this site to talk to you, mxcrash (now UltraGameDog), and the other people that I used to talk to on YouTube.

I'm doing my best to take in everything you and Jordan have been saying the last couple weeks or so. It's not my fault these annoying threads keep being created or bumped.


I'm glad you're listening but engaging in the debates is just as bad. It's one thing to create or bump but it's another to keep it going by adding to it. Everyone needs to stop posting about generations and boundaries and start bringing back the diverse conversations to the forum.

It's not simply that you're comparing how people born around a broad, general period of time differ from those born during earlier or later eras, it's that you guys are obsessing over the absolute years, perhaps months, that separate older cohorts from younger ones, like it's rocket science or whatever. It's so pointlessly specific and ultimately produces no insight into anything of value. And for Pete's sake, you guys are still spewing this trash at a rapid pace right as Jordan and I draw attention to how useless this topic has grown, oblivious to anything being stated that isn't just continuing this nauseating cycle.


I think if you read the 10-15 or so posts before the one you posted, you would see that this wasn't what this thread was about. Although with the posts that came afterwards, you proved your point that people talk too much about this stuff.

I think if you read the 10-15 or so posts before the one you posted, you would see that this wasn't what this thread was about. Although with the posts that came afterwards, you proved your point that people talk too much about this stuff.


Topics like these often go in tangents towards the repetitive nonsense, in the same way general topics about, say, mid-2000s culture, would quickly evolve into people replying with statements like, "the mid-2000s started in spring 2004 because that's when the last Y2K influences faded away," or "the mid-2000s were dead by November 2006 because that's when the Wii was released, Nelly Furtado was popular, and the Internet was more Web 2.0 than Web 1.0."

Honestly, I'm more just upset that ChuckyG thought my Worst Songs of the 1990s thread, which I started primarily to expand upon the range of matters we discussed here, was the sole pollutant on this board when it wasn't even a full page long and so many other threads already contained a bajillion YouTube links and were never locked. It's frustrating and confusing when the boards here have so obviously turned ridiculously banal and repetitive, and yet it's my positive attempt to reverse that trend that got locked.

It's really weird when you consider Chucky, along with a lot of the older members, were staunchly against these types of -ologies. Now it's allowed to run wild but a thread that promotes actual conversation is locked. I don't get it.

Topics like these often go in tangents towards the repetitive nonsense, in the same way general topics about, say, mid-2000s culture, would quickly evolve into people replying with statements like, "the mid-2000s started in spring 2004 because that's when the last Y2K influences faded away," or "the mid-2000s were dead by November 2006 because that's when the Wii was released, Nelly Furtado was popular, and the Internet was more Web 2.0 than Web 1.0."


Hmm,  I didn't think this thread was like that though. I liked the discussion about homophobia in music preferences a few posts above yours for example. And I liked the discussion somewhere in the middle of thread about trying to be friends with people where there's a large age gap, since work is the first time I've been thrust into that kind of environment.


Honestly, I'm more just upset that ChuckyG thought my Worst Songs of the 1990s thread, which I started primarily to expand upon the range of matters we discussed here, was the sole pollutant on this board when it wasn't even a full page long and so many other threads already contained a bajillion YouTube links and were never locked. It's frustrating and confusing when the boards here have so obviously turned ridiculously banal and repetitive, and yet it's my positive attempt to reverse that trend that got locked.


Oh, I see where you're coming from now. I should apologize, sorry, I see you wrote that in your previous post as well. Yeah, a lot of the moderators on this forum are inactive, and I think that can lead to all these repetitive, banal discussions with no end in sight to run unchecked, and also random locking of threads that should have been kept open or having rules being applied seemingly selectively.

Personally,  I think you should be made moderator. You always have something interesting to say about every topic and you're very knowledgeable about history. I wish I could contribute to some of those discussions, but my knowledge about things before the mid-1990s is poor. At the very least, you break the monotony of topics and contribute a lot to the diversity of discussions.

I wonder if there's a way to contact ChuckyG about something like this. I mean, if you're up for it of course.

And remember to ban everyone who hasn't bought Pokémon Sun/Moon ;) just kidding ;D That's what I'd do.

It's really weird when you consider Chucky, along with a lot of the older members, were staunchly against these types of -ologies. Now it's allowed to run wild but a thread that promotes actual conversation is locked. I don't get it.


He and other mods are rarely online. The no-too-many-embeded-videos rule makes sense to me, since it really slows down the browser and uses up a lot of CPU to load. We may need to revive the "56k Warnings" of yore ;D

But of course, once a rule is sporadically enforced, it's seemingly arbitrary enforcement can seem unfair once it happens (like in Infinity's thread). But I chalk that up to mods rarely being online to see the rule breaking happen in the first place, which is why we probably need more active mods tbh.

I'm glad you're listening but engaging in the debates is just as bad. It's one thing to create or bump but it's another to keep it going by adding to it. Everyone needs to stop posting about generations and boundaries and start bringing back the diverse conversations to the forum.


Uh oh, I'm an enabler!  :-X  :(

Uh oh, I'm an enabler!  :-X  :(


You don't even get involved with these threads. Why are you worried all of a sudden?

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Can someone please lock any "generation" thread which is created on this site? The topic is becoming a joke...

You don't even get involved with these threads. Why are you worried all of a sudden?


Sometimes I do. I sometimes contribute to the decadeology and generationeology.  :(

Sometimes I do. I sometimes contribute to the decadeology and generationeology.  :(


But it's not like you're a big deal compared to me and other forum members that usually post on the generation threads.

I'm glad you're listening but engaging in the debates is just as bad. It's one thing to create or bump but it's another to keep it going by adding to it. Everyone needs to stop posting about generations and boundaries and start bringing back the diverse conversations to the forum.


I agree.

He and other mods are rarely online. The no-too-many-embeded-videos rule makes sense to me, since it really slows down the browser and uses up a lot of CPU to load. We may need to revive the "56k Warnings" of yore ;D

But of course, once a rule is sporadically enforced, it's seemingly arbitrary enforcement can seem unfair once it happens (like in Infinity's thread). But I chalk that up to mods rarely being online to see the rule breaking happen in the first place, which is why we probably need more active mods tbh.


But there are other threads just as bad if not worse. It doesn't make sense to close one thread because of YouTube links while keeping others. A small warning from Chucky would of been enough and I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue. What does need to be locked are all these lame -ology threads. All the generational debates in this thread are nothing new and I swear to god, I see people here quoting themselves word for word saying exactly what they said before in previous threads about "generation Z absolutely not beginning in 1995/1997/1999/2000" or whatever.

Honestly, the f*ck's the point of that?
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I should start derailing threads with sh!t about Shrek's dipping cups again because at least that's got more substance than the cusp months of 1997 between Generation ABQUACK and Generation GOOBAGOOBA. Back to the video's, it also slows my browser down (even using my super advanced Windows 95 computer from the future) but there are better ways of going about it. 56k is still superior, though. Warning? You need the red carpet for the mighty dial up. ;)

More active mods would be nice. The forum is in serious need of a clean up. No more satanic summoning of Donnie Darko and his sh!tty self-rated 5 star books.

I'm glad you're listening but engaging in the debates is just as bad. It's one thing to create or bump but it's another to keep it going by adding to it. Everyone needs to stop posting about generations and boundaries and start bringing back the diverse conversations to the forum.


Thanks for the advice bro! Have 100 respect for what you're saying. I want the diverse conversations too, and I have a lot more cool/diverse threads coming up I'm going to start soon since my classes just ended. Just to get off topic, I'm so relaxed and relieved that Christmas break is here! The longest break of the year for college students!

It's really weird when you consider Chucky, along with a lot of the older members, were staunchly against these types of -ologies. Now it's allowed to run wild but a thread that promotes actual conversation is locked. I don't get it.


Chucky only locks threads when he's notices it or feels like it. A lot of times it seems like he doesn't notice the threads we're doing, but whenever he has time to check over the site once in a while, he will always be there to clean the house at the most unexpected times.

Thanks for the advice bro! Have 100 respect for what you're saying. I want the diverse conversations too, and I have a lot more cool/diverse threads coming up I'm going to start soon since my classes just ended. Just to get off topic, I'm so relaxed and relieved that Christmas break is here! The longest break of the year for college students!


No problem and thanks for listening, too. I hope you post some good stuff and help us get the forum back on track.

Some time off during Christmas is always nice. I get to spend some more time with my wife and see our friends and family.


Chucky only locks threads when he's notices it or feels like it. A lot of times it seems like he doesn't notice the threads we're doing, but whenever he has time to check over the site once in a while, he will always be there to clean the house at the most unexpected times.


I hope he takes care for the generationology threads then. It's already reached Donnie Darko levels.

I was picked on a bit for liking Avril Lavigne in 2002/3, but once the straights heard Sk8er boi they got into it too.

My friend (who was gay too) got beat up for liking Hillary Duff in 2003/4.

This viral video was popular when I was in middle school. Oh man, I used to think it was the funniest thing.  :-X :-X :-X

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It's so early-mid-2000s. Embarrassing to look back on.
I recall the late '00s when teen pop was old enough to be tacky and not new enough to be retro. I remember my peers and younger teachers straight out of college and born in 1985-1987 finding my stuck-in-1999 taste to be old and tacky.

I recall the late '00s when teen pop was old enough to be tacky and not new enough to be retro. I remember how my peers and younger teachers straight out of college and born in 1985-1987 finding my stuck-in-1999 taste to be old and tacky.


Yeah, the '90s were *just* about not retro yet. Although, I'm not sure if listening to those as a 13 year old in 2016 would get much better reception ;D

Yeah, the '90s were *just* about not retro yet. Although, I'm not sure if listening to those as a 13 year old in 2016 would get much better reception ;D


I would've been foreign to 2000s music if I were a 13 year old today.

I would've been foreign to 2000s music if I were a 13 year old today.


I'm not sure about that. 2003 borns, right? As someone born in the "3" year, I can say I listened to a lot of the late '90s music that was targeted at children: Disney music, teen pop etc. and played a lot with the cassettes my parents bought (not in English). My uncle used to listen to a lot of Tragically Hip, Seimsonic, Barenaked Ladies and stuff. I call it "sleep rock" LOL

I imagine a lot of the kids in middle school grew up with Hannah Montana and High School Musical and the like. Crazy to think they'll be in high school next year  :o

I'm not sure about that. 2003 borns, right? As someone born in the "3" year, I can say I listened to a lot of the late '90s music that was targeted at children: Disney music, teen pop etc. and played a lot with the cassettes my parents bought (not in English). My uncle used to listen to a lot of Tragically Hip, Seimsonic, Barenaked Ladies and stuff. I call it "sleep rock" LOL

I imagine a lot of the kids in middle school grew up with Hannah Montana and High School Musical and the like. Crazy to think they'll be in high school next year  :o


Actually those folks have been in high school all 4 years or less now. When it comes to High School Musical's fanbase, many have been graduated too.

I'm not sure about that. 2003 borns, right? As someone born in the "3" year, I can say I listened to a lot of the late '90s music that was targeted at children: Disney music, teen pop etc. and played a lot with the cassettes my parents bought (not in English). My uncle used to listen to a lot of Tragically Hip, Seimsonic, Barenaked Ladies and stuff. I call it "sleep rock" LOL


Well, it might depends. If I were born in 2003, I would have late 2000s memories, but not as much as ones from the 2010s. So I would probably consider myself an early 2010s kid.


I imagine a lot of the kids in middle school grew up with Hannah Montana and High School Musical and the like. Crazy to think they'll be in high school next year  :o


I don't know about those in middle school now. They possibly did, but they weren't as influenced from it as 1995-2000 babies. I remember the HSM craze fondly, and there was even a time where my school got to saw High School Musical 3 at an assembly. I'm not kidding.

Actually those folks have been in high school all 4 years or less now. When it comes to High School Musical's fanbase, many have been graduated too.


*internal screaming*

What? Stop it. I'm not old. You're old!!!

Early Millennials (around 1981 to 1986) are old enough to remember grunge and the flannel of the early 90's. And most likely they remember all of the 90's.

Early Millennials (around 1981 to 1986) are old enough to remember grunge and the flannel of the early 90's. And most likely they remember all of the 90's.

Yup I've got some family members on my dads side that age. Everything you described defines them perfectly!

Yup I've got some family members on my dads side that age. Everything you described defines them perfectly!


I'm barely mid Millennial by school year but I consider myself early because I have an extremely good pop culture memory and because of my attitude. I remember a lot of things people my age tend not to. A lot of Millennials tend to hate people who are different and like to go with group consensus automatically and tend to be trusting of the mainstream and not try to find alternatives. I'd rather do my own research than rely on what the crowd says. I'm neither of those things. I see myself as someone forced into the core of the Millennial generation because my age says I should feel this way or be this way and have these attitudes but I don't.

Early Millennials (around 1981 to 1986) are old enough to remember grunge and the flannel of the early 90's. And most likely they remember all of the 90's.


1981 absolutely, but I'm not sure about 1986. '86ers were still little kids like me in the early '90s, far more concerned about TMNT than they were Kurt Cobain.

I was aware of Grunge in the early '90s to the extent that I heard some older cousins talking about it/listening to the albums/etc., but I didn't start becoming interested in music on my own until around 1995 or 1996.

1981 absolutely, but I'm not sure about 1986. '86ers were still little kids like me in the early '90s, far more concerned about TMNT than they were Kurt Cobain.

I was aware of Grunge in the early '90s to the extent that I heard some older cousins talking about it/listening to the albums/etc., but I didn't start becoming interested in music on my own until around 1995 or 1996.

I agree. I was born in 1985 and wasn't into pop culture/music of the early 90s, I was into the "kid culture" of that time. Like you said TMNT, Nickelodeon, SNES, Gameboy, Pogs, etc...

Why do they avoid Facebook? ???
For the fear of being watched by the FBI.

You can't compare "older millennials" to "younger millennials" because millennials are a really poorly-defined social construct. I've even seen definitions that go back to 1975.

You can't compare "older millennials" to "younger millennials" because millennials are a really poorly-defined social construct. I've even seen definitions that go back to 1975.


How can mid 70s babies be accounted as Millennials? They're way too old to be considered as Millennials.

You can't compare "older millennials" to "younger millennials" because millennials are a really poorly-defined social construct. I've even seen definitions that go back to 1975.
So is everything else! Who's defined as a millennial? Who's defined as a liberial? Who's defined as a Catholic? Who's defined as queer?

Every subject is going to have a vague concept in some way. It doesn't matter which one it is. They all end in the same conclusion.

You can't compare "older millennials" to "younger millennials" because millennials are a really poorly-defined social construct. I've even seen definitions that go back to 1975.


That's different than what you were saying in the beginning of this thread.

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So is everything else! Who's defined as a millennial? Who's defined as a liberial? Who's defined as a Catholic? Who's defined as queer?


One of these is not like the other. :o

One of these is not like the other. :o
Yeah it is. All of them are poorly social constructs. All folks were equally the same until we were divided by these concepts.

That's different than what you were saying in the beginning of this thread.

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Yeah, I had an epiphany and changed my mind

Yeah it is. All of them are poorly social constructs. All folks were equally the same until we were divided by these concepts.


These concepts were around for a very long time, but nobody really bothered. Hell, I don't even think a lot of people care about Millennials being self-crazed cellphone junkies. It's more like something that older Buzzfeed members put out for their own ageist entertainment.

Yeah it is. All of them are poorly social constructs. All folks were equally the same until we were divided by these concepts.


No, liberalism and Catholicism are ideologies. Queer, depends on who you ask (to me it's still an offensive slur, for example, but to others it's the LGBT spectrum). The difference is, all these are self-identified labels, and millennial is usually applied on others rather than self-applied.

No, liberalism and Catholicism are ideologies. Queer, depends on who you ask (to me it's still an offensive slur, for example, but I'll set that aside). The difference is, all these are self-identified labels, and millennial is usually applied on others rather than self-applied.


Talking about liberalism and Catholicism are like self-identified labels though. It's just that people (especially in the United States) usually go with those from their family or themselves. Generations are like the same, since nobody really cares about them in an important manner.

These concepts were around for a very long time, but nobody really bothered. Hell, I don't even think a lot of people care about Millennials being self-crazed cellphone junkies. It's more like something that older Buzzfeed members put out for their own ageist entertainment.
Agreed! It's also that most people don't care about conservatives being for capitalism, or even Christians being righteous either.


No, liberalism and Catholicism are ideologies. Queer, depends on who you ask (to me it's still an offensive slur, for example). The difference is, all these are self-identified labels, and millennial is usually applied on others rather than self-applied.
If they are, then why isn't generational labels applied? The main reason young people hate being called a Millennial is due to the negative connotation associated with it. OTT, I've seen others (not on here) self-identify as Xers, Boomers, Silents and even Yers since none are overly unfavorable as the Millennial term.

The older Millenials are hot! AAAAhhh. SSssssssssssssssssssss.

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Agreed! It's also that most people don't care about conservatives being for capitalism, or even Christians being righteous either.
If they are, then why isn't generational labels applied? The main reason young people hate being called a Millennial is due to the negative connotation associated with it. OTT, I've seen others (not on here) self-identify as Xers, Boomers, Silents and even Yers since none are overly unfavorable as the Millennial term.


That's not what I mean by self applied.

Liberalism, you can have a deep introspective look and decide liberal defines you. You can jump in and out of the label as you please.

Catholicism, you can have a deep introspective look and decide Catholicism defines you. You can jump in and out of this label as you please.

Queer is used to define something that actually physically exists. I guess the best comparison is having brown hair and being called a brunette. If you are queer, you would know it and self apply it.

Millennial is neither an ideology nor is it something that physically exists. It's something that you call yourself because other people called you one. It's not like I woke up one day and decided to call myself a millennial (like you can with liberal/Catholic/queer), you would have to hear other people call you a millennial  before you decide you are one.

I would argue none of those things you listed are poorly defined constructs, they're all actually at least somewhat well defined. The one that isn't well defined is you-know-what.

That's not what I mean by self applied.

Liberalism, you can have a deep introspective look and decide liberal defines you. You can jump in and out of the label as you please.

Catholicism, you can have a deep introspective look and decide Catholicism defines you. You can jump in and out of this label as you please.

Queer is used to define something that actually physically exists. I guess the best comparison is having brown hair and being called a brunette. If you are queer, you would know it and self apply it.

Millennial is neither an ideology nor is it something that physically exists. It's something that you call yourself because other people called you one. It's not like I woke up one day and decided to call myself a millennial (like you can with liberal/Catholic/queer), you would have to hear other people call you a millennial  before you decide you are one.

I would argue none of those things you listed are poorly defined constructs, they're all actually at least somewhat well defined. The one that isn't well defined is you-know-what.
You're right, but some people are treating Millennial as a lifestyle for some reason although it's not.

I never said it was an ideology, but that term along with the others can be applied to everything else. For example, there are Millennials who are Caucasian, Mormon, conservative and bisexual while there are some who are Asian, Hindu, independent and pansexual and so on.

Here's a great article speaking about generations.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-prime-life/201502/do-generations-exist