When will Gen Z culture start exploding like Millennial culture did in 1998/1999?

When will Gen Z culture start exploding like Millennial culture did in 1998/1999?


Probably sometime between 2018 and 2020, after the first few Gen Zers gets out of high school.

I don't think music trends dictate generations, it's the other way around. There's been plenty of "Z culture" around since 2009 I'd say, with the debut of Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez and other Disney stars and teen pop from that era.

Honestly, Generation Z culture has been around since the late 2000s. While Millennial adult culture is still there, Gen Z adult culture is already on its way. I don't know why you need to wait impatiently on some generation's culture. Does it really matter, if they'll probably just put in more electronic bullcrap everywhere?

I don't think music trends dictate generations, it's the other way around. There's been plenty of "Z culture" around since 2009 I'd say, with the debut of Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez and other Disney stars and teen pop from that era.


That's generation Z KID culture, NOT Z mainstream. In 2009, most teenagers and young adults were listening to mainstream artists like T.I., Lil Wayne, (early) Drake, FloRida, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Black Eyed Peas, etc. I'd say over the last couple of years since 2013 we've been on the Y/Z cusp of mainstream culture, and by late this decade or early next Z will full establish itself. Remember, most of the Z members are still in their core childhood. Even a lot of people who are part of the X generation accuse millennials/Y of being part of the instagram, twitter, or facebook generation.

I don't think music trends dictate generations, it's the other way around. There's been plenty of "Z culture" around since 2009 I'd say, with the debut of Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez and other Disney stars and teen pop from that era.


That's late Y culture not Z. Like for someone born in 1996 or 1997.

Honestly, Generation Z culture has been around since the late 2000s. While Millennial adult culture is still there, Gen Z adult culture is already on its way. I don't know why you need to wait impatiently on some generation's culture. Does it really matter, if they'll probably just put in more electronic bullcrap everywhere?


I disagree. I think late wave Millennial culture is predominating now like late wave Gen X culture predominated in 1996 and 1997. 1998 was a mix where it had Millennial songs but Gen X was into a lot too. I see 1998 as 50/50. 1999 was full Millennial. Now we're around the 1996 or 1997 stage for where Gen X music was.

I disagree. I think late wave Millennial culture is predominating now like late wave Gen X culture predominated in 1996 and 1997. 1998 was a mix where it had Millennial songs but Gen X was into a lot too. I see 1998 as 50/50. 1999 was full Millennial. Now we're around the 1996 or 1997 stage for where Gen X music was.


True, but you could see some Gen Z adult culture coming through. Especially when most early Z kids are gonna be college students in a few years.

True, but you could see some Gen Z adult culture coming through. Especially when most early Z kids are gonna be college students in a few years.

What do you consider adult Gen Z culture now?
If there is, it's extremely hidden. It's like how people talk about how Millennial 1996 was but all I see here is Gen X culture.

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1996

Even in 1997, there was only around 5-7 or so Millennial songs out of the top 100

http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top-100-songs-of-the-year/?year=1997

As others have mentioned, Gen Z kid culture has been around since the late 2000s (roughly). Teen/young adult culture for early Gen Z will probably start around 2018ish, but probably won't be in full force until 2019 or the early 2020s.

As others have mentioned, Gen Z kid culture has been around since the late 2000s (roughly). Teen/young adult culture for early Gen Z will probably start around 2018ish, but probably won't be in full force until 2019 or the early 2020s.


What do you predict it will be like?

Honestly, Generation Z culture has been around since the late 2000s. While Millennial adult culture is still there, Gen Z adult culture is already on its way. I don't know why you need to wait impatiently on some generation's culture. Does it really matter, if they'll probably just put in more electronic bullcrap everywhere?


To be fair, we don't really know whether all this electronic stuff is going to continue to dominate or not. I mean, we can kind of predict the next 2-3 years, since this decade has been pretty consistent. But from the 2020s onwards, it's still up in the air.

To be fair, we don't really know whether all this electronic stuff is going to continue to dominate or not. I mean, we can kind of predict the next 2-3 years, since this decade has been pretty consistent. But from the 2020s onwards, it's still up in the air.


I don't even think we can predict that given how Gen Z will graduate soon. Pop culturally, 1996 and 1999 were like 2 different universes.

What do you predict it will be like?


Honestly I have no idea. I really hope it will be better, but like I said in my previous post, the 2020s are really up in the air. I think 2017-2018 may be more or less consistent with the previous portions of the decade. Maybe 2019 too. But literally anything could happen after that. I'm really hoping that by 2021, we will see a shift in pop culture, like the one that occurred back in 1981 (with new wave), and 1991 (with grunge).

I don't even think we can predict that given how Gen Z will graduate soon. Pop culturally, 1996 and 1999 were like 2 different universes.


The people that were born in 1996 and 1999 are still Millennials. This includes both me and you. Gen Z is from 2000-present.

The people that were born in 1996 and 1999 are still Millennials. Gen Z is from 2000-present.


I'm saying the pop culture in 1996 was almost entirely Gen X and the pop culture in 1999 was almost entirely Millennial.
For the record I think Gen Z starts in 2001.

It could actually rise to the mainstream sooner than later since the oldest Zers are adolescents and are currently part of the pop culture audience. It could happen next year. I'm pretty sure some of the movies, music and even TV shows are more for the Plurals than Millennials.

The people that were born in 1996 and 1999 are still Millennials. This includes both me and you.

Unconvential99 is 29/30ish..... ;D

Unconvential99 is 29/30ish..... ;D


I heard that he was born in 1999.

Unconvential99 is 29/30ish..... ;D


How do you know that?

How do you know that?

Because I saw her posts back in 2014.....

I heard that he was born in 1999.

Unconventional is a female......
and where did you hear she was born in 99?

Because I saw her posts back in 2014.....


Oh. So I suppose that she was born in 1986 or 1987.

Oh. So I suppose that she was born in 1986 or 1987.

she was born in 1986.

she was born in 1986.


Oh. No wonder why she has 99 in her user name, since she turned 13 in 1999 (I think).

Going by my imperfect deduction, the first batch of generation Z's were born in 1997, so their culture would have began in 2009.

http://images.clipartpanda.com/detective-clipart-kid-detective-clip-artpin-by-john-pirillo-on-detective-pinterest-ucxwbv2r.jpg

I've said before that I don't buy into generational theory that much. Just because people born in a certain year reach a certain age doesn't mean everything will suddenly change. Honestly, I don't really expect to see any major changes.

I don't belong to Generation Z do I? All these generations confuse me and I STILL don't know which one I belong in. :-[

I don't belong to Generation Z do I? All these generations confuse me and I STILL don't know which one I belong in. :-[


Nope, you're either a late Generation X, or an early Millenial.

I don't belong to Generation Z do I? All these generations confuse me and I STILL don't know which one I belong in. :-[


Generation Z is usually for 2000s babies. So, you're not really a member of Generation Z if you weren't born in the 2000s.

Generation Z is usually for 2000s babies. So, you're not really a member of Generation Z if you weren't born in the 2000s.


Oh, my nephews are then. They are 17, 11 and 8 years old.


Nope, you're either a late Generation X, or an early Millenial.


Ah, ok.  I guess I can get by being a cusper how exciting!

I don't belong to Generation Z do I? All these generations confuse me and I STILL don't know which one I belong in. :-[

You are very late gen X.....

Going by my imperfect deduction, the first batch of generation Z's were born in 1997, so their culture would have began in 2009.

http://images.clipartpanda.com/detective-clipart-kid-detective-clip-artpin-by-john-pirillo-on-detective-pinterest-ucxwbv2r.jpg

So you still think gen z begins with the late 90s babies?

So you still think gen z begins with the late 90s babies?


I honestly don't know. I haven't done any research. Was full of jokes.  ;)

I honestly don't know. I haven't done any research. Was full of jokes.  ;)

Aww I see! :) ;D

The "Y/Z cultural shift" IMO will/is likely more in line with the shift from Boomer/X culture (more gradual) than the more jarring shift from X to Millennials did, mostly due to X and to  Z being smaller generations in terms of size. Even in say 1989, you still had a lot of Boomer leftovers around such as Donny Osmond's "comeback", The Rolling Stones Steel Wheels tour/album and hit single, and the Batman movie which equally was popular with the Boomer adults who grew up with the original '60s versions/comics, the Gen X tweens/teens, and the early Millennial kids. But then again in 1969 the earliest Gen Xers could have watched the premiere of Sesame Street as preschoolers despite having the Boomers' hallmark event earlier that year, Woodstock. The college radio craze and alternative scene was alive and well, but it was considerably less mainstream compared to 1991-1996.

Generally speaking, the Gen Z kid culture began around the fall of 2006 (IMO associated with part of that "late 2006 shift" thread) and had overtaken Millennials by 2009 (Modern Nick/Beiber/Angry Birds craze) and will be the dominant generation for kids' culture until the early 2020s, when the following generation's will begin. Gen Z teen culture began around 2011/12 when the '10s became distinct from the '00s is certainly alive and well since the older members of the generation are teenagers, though it's had to compete alongside lingering Millennial influences (the new Pokemon craze app is certainly targeted more toward them), though I'd say by the time the '10s are over, Gen Z will be the dominant teen generation.

^^^^ there are tons of millennials who are into the Pokemon Go app as well. In fact, many people who haven't touched Pokemon since the Ruby/Sapphire or Advanced era are addicted to that Pokemon Go app.

It's already started has it not?  ???

It's already started has it not?  ???


No, the people born in 2001 aren't even 16 yet.

No, the people born in 2001 aren't even 16 yet.

So? A lot of things out there are targetted to young teens.

No, the people born in 2001 aren't even 16 yet.


Also, there's tons of culture targeted towards late 90's babies rather it's past or present that's considered as Z culture as well.

Also, there's tons of culture targeted towards late 90's babies rather it's past or present that's considered as Z culture as well.


Late 90s babies are cuspers. Gen Z starts in 2001. I always hear the 2001 number. I don't hear the 1995 number as often.

Late 90s babies are cuspers. Gen Z starts in 2001. I always hear the 2001 number. I don't hear the 1995 number as often.

I know Gen Z starts in 2001. I just thought we already had Gen Z culture present. 1995 is purely mellenial, not even cusp.

I know Gen Z starts in 2001. I just though we already had Gen Z culture present. 1995 is purely mellenial, not even cusp.

We have Gen Z kid culture for sure. Not teen or young adult.
Why would we yet when we had almost pure Gen X culture in 1997, a mix in 1998, and pure Millennial in 1999?

We have Gen Z kid culture for sure. Not teen or young adult.
Why would we yet when we had almost pure Gen X culture in 1997, a mix in 1998, and pure Millennial in 1999?


IMO 1997 had tons of teen millennial stuff, it was far from pure X. Teen pop was already huge by then.

IMO 1997 had tons of teen millennial stuff, it was far from pure X. Teen pop was already huge by then.


There was some teen pop but things targeted at Gen X predominated the charts. The dress style and attitude was very Gen X too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXTl8AMbigk

IMO 1997 had tons of teen millennial stuff, it was far from pure X. Teen pop was already huge by then.


Maybe in Europe, but in the U.S. it was barely getting started or still transitioning. Most people agree that it wasn't until 1999 when early Y culture took off.

My guess is 2016 is to Millennials what 1996 was to Gen X.

I agree with most people saying 1999, 1999 just felt soooooooo different than the rest of the 1990's. It would make sense that demographics for generations have changed that year.

I agree with most people saying 1999, 1999 just felt soooooooo different than the rest of the 1990's. It would make sense that demographics for generations have changed that year.

It may be blurry 1999-2001, but I'm still gonna go with 2000 being the year. It's nice and easy to remember and most people use the year 2000 as the cutoff for the next generation.

It may be blurry 1999-2001, but I'm still gonna go with 2000 being the year. It's nice and easy to remember and most people use the year 2000 as the cutoff for the next generation.


Yeah.

Music wise, there was such A HUGE and SWIFT shift in mainstream music in 1999. In 1998, you would have heard Sarah McLaughlin, Edward McCain, Marcy Playground, Fastball (band), Third Eye Blind, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, and Jewel.

Then in 1999, it was Nsync, Britney Spears, Eminem, Christina Aguilera, Destiny Child, Mandy Moore, Jennifer Lopez. It's like adult contemporary was swept off the earth in six months. It was crazy.

I think it's already started, but will probably be fully mainstream by next year.

There was some teen pop but things targeted at Gen X predominated the charts. The dress style and attitude was very Gen X too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXTl8AMbigk


That list represents the biggest hits in the UK for 1997. In fact, just like the United States' year-end charts, part of it actually represents late 1996, while late 1997 is omitted completely. Had the end of the year been included, you would have stuff like "5, 6, 7, 8," "Slam Dunk (Da Funk)," and "Never Ever" instead of older tracks like "Twisted," "Step By Step," and "Free to Decide." Even without the skewed date range, though, that list still leans more towards Y than X. The vast majority of the biggest songs were teen pop or other millennial-geared tracks like "Bittersweet Symphony" and "Ecuador." There are obvious Gen-X numbers, like "Bitch" and "D' You Know What I Mean," but there's still absolutely no way the influences on the charts were "almost purely" Gen-X.

Yeah.

Music wise, there was such A HUGE and SWIFT shift in mainstream music in 1999. In 1998, you would have heard Sarah McLaughlin, Edward McCain, Marcy Playground, Fastball (band), Third Eye Blind, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, and Jewel.

Then in 1999, it was Nsync, Britney Spears, Eminem, Christina Aguilera, Destiny Child, Mandy Moore, Jennifer Lopez. It's like adult contemporary was swept off the earth in six months. It was crazy.


Most of the artists you listed from 1998 were still really popular in 1999 (Marcy Playground were one-hit wonders). *NSYNC and Destiny's Child were already popular in early 1998. I agree there was a musical shift in early 1999, but that has more to do with the rise of nu-metal and rap rock (Limp Bizkit, KoRn, Kid Rock, etc.), Latin pop (Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, Marc Anthony, etc.), Cash Money Records, and Eminem (who you mentioned). Even Britney Spears' biggest hits in 1999 and 2000 could have just as easily been recorded by Robyn 2 years earlier and still been relevant.

Most of the artists you listed from 1998 were still really popular in 1999 (Marcy Playground were one-hit wonders). *NSYNC and Destiny's Child were already popular in early 1998. I agree there was a musical shift in early 1999, but that has more to do with the rise of nu-metal and rap rock (Limp Bizkit, KoRn, Kid Rock, etc.), Latin pop (Ricky Martin, Enrique Iglesias, Marc Anthony, etc.), Cash Money Records, and Eminem (who you mentioned). Even Britney Spears' biggest hits in 1999 and 2000 could have just as easily been recorded by Robyn 2 years earlier and still been relevant.


Robyn's music sounded smarter than Britney Spears though, LOL. I mean, Email my heart? Soda Pop? It's way more sugary than Robyn.
Yes, those artists were already popular in 1998, but by 1999 they were everywhere.

Robyn's music sounded smarter than Britney Spears though, LOL. I mean, Email my heart? Soda Pop? It's way more sugary than Robyn.
Yes, those artists were already popular in 1998, but by 1999 they were everywhere.


You're right they took over the world in a way they hadn't before, but they're still of pretty much the exact same style as was established by summer 1997. "Baby One More Time's" production isn't that different from "Do You Know (What It Takes)," and even "Oops!...I Dd It Again" has an extremely similar beat to "Show Me Love." Also, Robyn may have written her own songs (as Debbie Gibson did in the late 80s), but she was also less than 18 when she released her debut album internationally. The songs on Robyn Is Here pertain primarily to relationships and other things middle and high schoolers can perfectly relate to. She was undeniably teen pop.

Call it Generation Y or Generation Z or Generation Q, in my opinion, music from 2009 onwards was different from what came before. Gone were the ringtone rap, emo, pop rock and R&B-style pop hits that were 2000s staples, and they were replaced with electronica-heavy pop music and dance pop that still dominates the charts today.  You already got your huge cultural shift. I was always uneasy about using predetermined generations to decide where the direction of music was going to go well into the future.

Call it Generation Y or Generation Z or Generation Q, in my opinion, music from 2009 onwards was different from what came before. Gone were the ringtone rap, emo, pop rock and R&B-style pop hits that were 2000s staples, and they were replaced with electronica-heavy pop music and dance pop that still dominates the charts today.  You already got your huge cultural shift. I was always uneasy about using predetermined generations to decide where the direction of music was going to go well into the future.


Yeah but that might be a different wave of Millennial. It's like how 80s music and most 90s music were Gen X but there was a definite shift in the 90s.

Can u make the comparison of specifying millennial movie and gen z films in 2016, if its okay we u?

Yeah but that might be a different wave of Millennial. It's like how 80s music and most 90s music were Gen X but there was a definite shift in the 90s.


That's an interesting observation. The 80s backlash and the 80s themselves are both considered Gen X. 

That's an interesting observation. The 80s backlash and the 80s themselves are both considered Gen X.


I think it just goes to show that generational theory is pretty arbitrary. There's no scientific basis for any of it.

I think it just goes to show that generational theory is pretty arbitrary. There's no scientific basis for any of it.


It's like, imagine if the Supremes and the Beatles were directly followed by 2Pac and Nirvana. They're from totally, completely different eras, but still the latter two were targeted at the successive generation of the former two.

I think it just goes to show that generational theory is pretty arbitrary. There's no scientific basis for any of it.


Nope. No basis at all. Always found the whole theory behind generations as arbitrary. Yet it won't stop people from over generalizing an entire demographic.

Hey! Welcome back, Toon! We were wondering what happened!

Hey! Welcome back, Toon! We were wondering what happened!


Thanks, mate! :D Yeah, sorry about the sudden leave with any given notice. Just some stuff was coming up in my life and I felt that had to put my full attention on things. Went into a bit of a depression for a bit. But that's all past and I thought it'd be cool to comeback and just have some friendly chats and whatnot.

Honestly thinking right now. the Plural pop culture has already begun and I believe currently that it's more towards them than the Millennials. If you guys noticed, most Yers are over the college age and have families, careers and other misc. Shows such as The Thundermans and Girl Meets World seem like they were made for the Centennial audience than the Millennials. It's the same thing with movies and music.

Now the big question is who is considered Gen Z? I actually used to think it began with 2001, but now I'm realizing it started earlier than I previously thought. There's truly no way those who graduated high school this year or last year can possibly still be considered Millennials. Reasons for that is they will generally graduate college in 2019 and after; while the C/O 2015 & 2016 are eligible to vote, the rest aren't; the majority has Gen X parents and are most likely the oldest in their families; and their education has been compiled of mainly Gen X teachers and principals.


I think it just goes to show that generational theory is pretty arbitrary. There's no scientific basis for any of it.



Nope. No basis at all. Always found the whole theory behind generations as arbitrary. Yet it won't stop people from over generalizing an entire demographic.
That's because it's mostly about marketing. However, that's not the thing generations are used for. Sooner or later, Gen X members will run for president again and will finally win the white house. Cruz and Rubio are Xers and did run, but they dropped out after they were losing the primaries.

That's because it's mostly about marketing. However, that's not the thing generations are used for Sooner or later, Gen X members will run for president again and will finally win the white house. Cruz and Rubio are Xers and did run, but they dropped out after they were losing the primaries.


I wonder when Gen X will finally be able to run for president. Seems like it's still baby boomers running things at the moment. Making it slightly hard for Gen X and Y to move up.

I wonder when Gen X will finally be able to run for president. Seems like it's still baby boomers running things at the moment. Making it slightly hard for Gen X and Y to move up.
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They already did; however, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio lost the primaries, so they ended up dropping out of the election. i know one thing for sure though most will run again in 2020. Kanye even said he would run that year. Millennials however, most likely won't run for the white house until sometime in the 2030s, but the first possible year is definitely 2028.

I wonder when Gen X will finally be able to run for president. Seems like it's still baby boomers running things at the moment. Making it slightly hard for Gen X and Y to move up.


Canada has a Gen X prime minister and our glory days are up and coming.

The UK also just had a Gen X prime minister and he plunged the country in 50 years of darkness.

No take backsies :P

Thanks, mate! :D Yeah, sorry about the sudden leave with any given notice. Just some stuff was coming up in my life and I felt that had to put my full attention on things. Went into a bit of a depression for a bit. But that's all past and I thought it'd be cool to comeback and just have some friendly chats and whatnot.


Welcome back, good to see you return. :)

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They already did; however, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio lost the primaries, so they ended up dropping out of the election. i know one thing for sure though most will run again in 2020. Kanye even said he would run that year. Millennials however, most likely won't run for the white house until sometime in the 2030s, but the first possible year is definitely 2028.


Oh wow. Well 2020 it'll be interesting to see that the next presidents may of a different generation. Millennials for presidency is either 2028 or yeah in the 2030s. And Gen Plural I don't see becoming president until the 2040s or 2050s.


Canada has a Gen X prime minister and our glory days are up and coming.

The UK also just had a Gen X prime minister and he plunged the country in 50 years of darkness.

No take backsies :P


Guess it's one of them "wait-and-see" things. Don't want a minister causing more harm than good for half a century. Be sure to give us an update on when them glory days finally begin.



Welcome back, good to see you return. :)


You all are too kind.
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Oh wow. Well 2020 it'll be interesting to see that the next presidents may of a different generation. Millennials for presidency is either 2028 or yeah in the 2030s. And Gen Plural I don't see becoming president until the 2040s or 2050s
Oh yeah it will. It's gonna be on. Gen X are gonna be fighting for it. Yeah, I possibly see 2028 as the first for Millennials to run and for Plurals, oh yeah it will most likely be the 2040s.

Oh yeah it will. It's gonna be on. Gen X are gonna be fighting for it. Yeah, I possibly see 2028 as the first for Millennials to run and for Plurals, oh yeah it will most likely be the 2040s.

2028 feels like a long time away from now.

2028 feels like a long time away from now.
Yeah, which is enough time for Millennials to get ready to run for election.  By then, the oldest will be close to 50 years old.

Honestly thinking right now. the Plural pop culture has already begun and I believe currently that it's more towards them than the Millennials. If you guys noticed, most Yers are over the college age and have families, careers and other misc. Shows such as The Thundermans and Girl Meets World seem like they were made for the Centennial audience than the Millennials. It's the same thing with movies and music.

Now the big question is who is considered Gen Z? I actually used to think it began with 2001, but now I'm realizing it started earlier than I previously thought. There's truly no way those who graduated high school this year or last year can possibly still be considered Millennials. Reasons for that is they will generally graduate college in 2019 and after; while the C/O 2015 & 2016 are eligible to vote, the rest aren't; the majority has Gen X parents and are most likely the oldest in their families; and their education has been compiled of mainly Gen X teachers and principals.
That's because it's mostly about marketing. However, that's not the thing generations are used for. Sooner or later, Gen X members will run for president again and will finally win the white house. Cruz and Rubio are Xers and did run, but they dropped out after they were losing the primaries.


But then again, people born from some of late 1962 to 1964 weren't able to vote in the 1980 elections and they are considered "Boomers". 2001 was the traditional end for the Millennials and I agree with that but I see the end range for Millennial as 2004 a lot more. Some even say 2007 borns are Millennial or cuspers.

http://static.ow.ly/docs/Quotations.Chuck.Underwood.dkm_2yTC.pdf
https://hubslide.com/milena-regos/millennialsgen-x-at-work-s56d83e6b8d070ead0eb769ff.html

But then again, people born from some of late 1962 to 1964 weren't able to vote in the 1980 elections and they are considered "Boomers". 2001 was the traditional end for the Millennials and I agree with that but I see the end range for Millennial as 2004 a lot more. Some even say 2007 borns are Millennial or cuspers.

http://static.ow.ly/docs/Quotations.Chuck.Underwood.dkm_2yTC.pdf
https://hubslide.com/milena-regos/millennialsgen-x-at-work-s56d83e6b8d070ead0eb769ff.html
You're right. They couldn't. However, keep in mind that back then the voting age was 21, so most Boomers themselves truly couldn't vote until 1972 which by then had been changed to 18. We can pretty much say the 1984 election was important for Boomers as well. Most Xers couldn't vote until 1988 or 1992.

As for the sources, they're totally wrong because the Millennials has to end with 1996. Listing the reasons I gave gives a description that they're pretty much Gen Z. Don't get me wrong, but there's no way they can be considered Millennials. Hopefully one day though, they will be part of Gen Y again, but I don't think that will be the case.

If you want to know, I do have family members who are around that range and I used to defend them saying they were Millennials; however, after some more time has passed, I realize they couldn't be part of this generation.

You're right. They couldn't. However, keep in mind that back then the voting age was 21, so most Boomers themselves truly couldn't vote until 1972 which by then had been changed to 18. We can pretty much say the 1984 election was important for Boomers as well. Most Xers couldn't vote until 1988 or 1992.

As for the sources, they're totally wrong because the Millennials has to end with 1996. Listing the reasons I gave gives a description that they're pretty much Gen Z. Don't get me wrong, but there's no way they can be considered Millennials. Hopefully one day though, they will be part of Gen Y again, but I don't think that will be the case.

If you want to know, I do have family members who are around that range and I used to defend them saying they were Millennials; however, after some more time has passed, I realize they couldn't be part of this generation.


Other than the elections, what other reasons are there why they can't be Millennials? People born in 1998 can vote in the 2016 elections.

Other than the elections, what other reasons are there why they can't be Millennials? People born in 1998 can vote in the 2016 elections.
Yeah, that's true. Other reasons include graduating college in 2019 and after; many are most likely to be the oldest of their siblings in the families; many have Gen X parents; they generally have a different attitude compared to Millennials; and last, they're were not generally affected by the Great Recession

Yeah, that's true. Other reasons include graduating college in 2019 and after; many are most likely to be the oldest of their siblings in the families; many have Gen X parents; they generally have a different attitude compared to Millennials; and last, they're were not generally affected by the Great Recession


What difference do you notice in attitude?

What difference do you notice in attitude?
I have read they are pragmatic as Millennials are more optimistic. They value things that are important and they have more acceptance towards minority groups than Millennials.

But/ then again, people born from some of late 1962 to 1964 weren't able to vote in the 1980 elections and they are considered "Boomers". 2001 was the traditional end for the Millennials and I agree with that but I see the end range for Millennial as 2004 a lot more. Some even say 2007 borns are Millennial or cuspers.

http://static.ow.ly/docs/Quotations.Chuck.Underwood.dkm_2yTC.pdf
https://hubslide.com/milena-regos/millennialsgen-x-at-work-s56d83e6b8d070ead0eb769ff.html


This just further proves my point. What does someone born in 1982 have in common with someone born in 2007? Are there scientific studies on people born before/after those years, or did someone just pull it out of their a**? Seems like the latter.

But then again, people born from some of late 1962 to 1964 weren't able to vote in the 1980 elections and they are considered "Boomers". 2001 was the traditional end for the Millennials and I agree with that but I see the end range for Millennial as 2004 a lot more. Some even say 2007 borns are Millennial or cuspers.

http://static.ow.ly/docs/Quotations.Chuck.Underwood.dkm_2yTC.pdf
https://hubslide.com/milena-regos/millennialsgen-x-at-work-s56d83e6b8d070ead0eb769ff.html


What the hell does 1982 and 2007 babies have in common? They both have insanely different childhoods, for crying out loud.

2028 feels like a long time away from now.


We're 12 years away.

We're 12 years away.

I will be a 33 year old man!  :o

I will be a 33 year old man!  :o


And I'll be 28 and a half years old.

What the hell does 1982 and 2007 babies have in common? They both have insanely different childhoods, for crying out loud.


Nothing but it doesn't stop people from connecting it.

Nothing but it doesn't stop people from connecting it.


Well, those people don't realize that 1982 babies are old enough to be parents of 2007 babies.

This just further proves my point. What does someone born in 1982 have in common with someone born in 2007? Are there scientific studies on people born before/after those years, or did someone just pull it out of their a**? Seems like the latter.



What the hell does 1982 and 2007 babies have in common? They both have insanely different childhoods, for crying out loud.


Nothing at all aside from common subjects they're interested in. 2007 is definitely Gen Z.  Here are some articles I have found for each generation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2868990/pdf/10869_2010_Article_9172.pdf

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED563491.pd

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/asset?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0141243.PDF

https://dspace.lboro.ac.uk/dspace-jspui/bitstream/2134/13896/3/Understanding%20Generation%20Y%20and%20Their%20Use%20of%20Social%20Media_A%20Review%20and%20Research%20Agenda.pdf

http://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1318&context=lib_articles

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.107.9369&rep=rep1&type=pdf

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1017271.pdf

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1055589.pdf


Well, those people don't realize that 1982 babies are old enough to be parents of 2007 babies.


Correct, they are; however, only some do. Most of the 2007 borns have Gen X parents.

Correct, they are; however, only some do. Most of the 2007 borns have Gen X parents.


Some 2007 born's have Gen Y parents if some parents had them in their mid 20's. There's no question that 2007 born's (all 2000's babies tbh) are part of Gen Z.

Some 2007 born's have Gen Y parents if some parents had them in their mid 20's. There's no question that 2007 born's (all 2000's babies tbh) are part of Gen Z.
Right, they do and I agree, they're all Plurals no matter what; however, most Gen Zers have X parents since many Yers were in college and under during the 2000s.

Some 2007 born's have Gen Y parents if some parents had them in their mid 20's. There's no question that 2007 born's (all 2000's babies tbh) are part of Gen Z.


But what about 2000 babies? Didn't you say that you were millennials?

But what about 2000 babies? Didn't you say that you were millennials?

Some say Gen Z starts 2001, so those born in 2000 can be considered Gen Y.

When they come of age. Most Millennials are not even 30 yet. The cuspers born in the late '90s are only barely 18. People born in the new millennium are 15/16 at the most, barely old enough to have any noticeable influence. Yeah some early Z are teens now, but teens aren't really old enough to have major influence on the adult world. They have some influence but not that much. There's not many actors born past 2000 because of child labor laws, or athletes, musicians, etc. The answer generally is in the 2020s, when they start actually coming of age and getting out in the world. Millennials barely had any influence in 1999 even, yeah there was some teen pop geared towards them but Gen X was still the main younger generation back then. By say 2005 however there were a lot more articles about the then emerging Generation Y/Millennials.

Look at old newspapers on google.com/newspapers, there's hardly any talk about Gen Y before 2000 (just a few articles about school children in the late '90s) and not a lot until more like the mid '00s when a decent amount were now at least 16 or 18. Basically sometime in the 2020-2024 period, when first wave Millennials start transitioning into middle age and Z starts coming of age is probably where the culture will start seeming noticeably different. It'll definitely feel a bit different in 2023 with 20 year olds born in 2003, while you have early 40s older Millennials and a clear majority of them being at least 30.

When they come of age. Most Millennials are not even 30 yet. The cuspers born in the late '90s are only barely 18. People born in the new millennium are 15/16 at the most, barely old enough to have any noticeable influence. Yeah some early Z are teens now, but teens aren't really old enough to have major influence on the adult world. They have some influence but not that much. There's not many actors born past 2000 because of child labor laws, or athletes, musicians, etc. The answer generally is in the 2020s, when they start actually coming of age and getting out in the world. Millennials barely had any influence in 1999 even, yeah there was some teen pop geared towards them but Gen X was still the main younger generation back then. By say 2005 however there were a lot more articles about the then emerging Generation Y/Millennials.

Look at old newspapers on google.com/newspapers, there's hardly any talk about Gen Y before 2000 (just a few articles about school children in the late '90s) and not a lot until more like the mid '00s when a decent amount were now at least 16 or 18. Basically sometime in the 2020-2024 period, when first wave Millennials start transitioning into middle age and Z starts coming of age is probably where the culture will start seeming noticeably different. It'll definitely feel a bit different in 2023 with 20 year olds born in 2003, while you have early 40s older Millennials and a clear majority of them being at least 30.

This.

When they come of age. Most Millennials are not even 30 yet. The cuspers born in the late '90s are only barely 18. People born in the new millennium are 15/16 at the most, barely old enough to have any noticeable influence. Yeah some early Z are teens now, but teens aren't really old enough to have major influence on the adult world. They have some influence but not that much. There's not many actors born past 2000 because of child labor laws, or athletes, musicians, etc. The answer generally is in the 2020s, when they start actually coming of age and getting out in the world. Millennials barely had any influence in 1999 even, yeah there was some teen pop geared towards them but Gen X was still the main younger generation back then. By say 2005 however there were a lot more articles about the then emerging Generation Y/Millennials.

Look at old newspapers on google.com/newspapers, there's hardly any talk about Gen Y before 2000 (just a few articles about school children in the late '90s) and not a lot until more like the mid '00s when a decent amount were now at least 16 or 18. Basically sometime in the 2020-2024 period, when first wave Millennials start transitioning into middle age and Z starts coming of age is probably where the culture will start seeming noticeably different. It'll definitely feel a bit different in 2023 with 20 year olds born in 2003, while you have early 40s older Millennials and a clear majority of them being at least 30.


Yeah but even people born in 1981 said they felt alienated by the culture of 1999. It's like how in 1964 things were geared towards Boomer culture even though the Silent generation were the 20 somethings.

Yeah but even people born in 1981 said they felt alienated by the culture of 1999. It's like how in 1964 things were geared towards Boomer culture even though the Silent generation were the 20 somethings.


I'm not just talking about some pop songs. I'm talking about the overall environment, in terms of athletics, movie stars, workforce. That's when a generation actually makes it's mark. And a lot of pop now is geared more towards the younger end of millennials and early end of Z yeah, '80s borns are certainly aging out of that of course. But I mean we're in or hitting our 30s,  you should realize that pop music just isn't very important in the scheme of things.

I'm not just talking about some pop songs. I'm talking about the overall environment, in terms of athletics, movie stars, workforce. That's when a generation actually makes it's mark. And a lot of pop now is geared more towards the younger end of millennials and early end of Z yeah, '80s borns are certainly aging out of that of course. But I mean we're in or hitting our 30s,  you should realize that pop music just isn't very important in the scheme of things.


The thing is I'm a Millennial and I can't relate to the environment of the 2010s. It's like going into a warp where the values and everything are turned upside down. It's way more conformist, there's way fewer connections, less deeper thinking, and you're expected to be mature in the face of disrespect instead of fighting back. The idea of friends or significant others helping each other is also foreign to this era because it goes against the concept of independence. You're considered immature if you fight back but no one says a word to the people who start it because of this "you'll be no better than them" nonsense. There's so much emphasis on being normal and chill that if you stand out in any way you're derided as a special snowflake. It's where fitting in perfectly matters more than actually doing your job right. There's also this totally warped moral system going around where down is up and up is down and it's better to just let everything become worse. It's seen as OK to just insult people and expect them not to fight back and there's these incredibly rigid roles people are expected to fit into. I must be an outlier in my generation.

The thing is I'm a Millennial and I can't relate to the environment of the 2010s. It's like going into a warp where the values and everything are turned upside down. It's way more conformist, there's way fewer connections, less deeper thinking, and you're expected to be mature in the face of disrespect instead of fighting back. The idea of friends or significant others helping each other is also foreign to this era because it goes against the concept of independence. You're considered immature if you fight back but no one says a word to the people who start it because of this "you'll be no better than them" nonsense. I must be an outlier in my generation.


We're earlier Millennials, which means really the '00s was more our decade in terms of interests, even though our generations peak influence as a whole is in this decade. It's like the earlier Xers preferring the '80s even if X influence peaked in the '90s. Don't you understand?

We're earlier Millennials, which means really the '00s was more our decade in terms of interests, even though our generations peak influence as a whole is in this decade. It's like the earlier Xers preferring the '80s even if X influence peaked in the '90s. Don't you understand?


Yeah I guess so. It seems like when you get to people especially born in 1989 and later everything seems to warp. It's not just pop culture but values and everything.

When they come of age. Most Millennials are not even 30 yet. The cuspers born in the late '90s are only barely 18. People born in the new millennium are 15/16 at the most, barely old enough to have any noticeable influence. Yeah some early Z are teens now, but teens aren't really old enough to have major influence on the adult world. They have some influence but not that much. There's not many actors born past 2000 because of child labor laws, or athletes, musicians, etc. The answer generally is in the 2020s, when they start actually coming of age and getting out in the world. Millennials barely had any influence in 1999 even, yeah there was some teen pop geared towards them but Gen X was still the main younger generation back then. By say 2005 however there were a lot more articles about the then emerging Generation Y/Millennials.

Look at old newspapers on google.com/newspapers, there's hardly any talk about Gen Y before 2000 (just a few articles about school children in the late '90s) and not a lot until more like the mid '00s when a decent amount were now at least 16 or 18. Basically sometime in the 2020-2024 period, when first wave Millennials start transitioning into middle age and Z starts coming of age is probably where the culture will start seeming noticeably different. It'll definitely feel a bit different in 2023 with 20 year olds born in 2003, while you have early 40s older Millennials and a clear majority of them being at least 30.
Seeing your post, that means Gen Xers had more influence with presidential elections of the 2000s including the one with Obama, the middle east wars and pop culture as whole since they much older by then and they were the main consumers back in the 80s and 90s.

I can definitely see Millennials being the major influence in the next decade as with this one since we will all be in our 30s and 40s and be one of the main folks to vote in the elections and to change the world by making it much more safer and peaceful. We have already made a significance in the workforce especially since some are teachers, social workers, nurses, artists, musicians etc.

Gen Z though, their influence will pretty much begin sometime in the 2030s as the oldest members will already be in their 30s by then considering they will have already voted in a few elections and made an impact in the workforce.

Seeing your post, that means Gen Xers had more influence with presidential elections of the 2000s including the one with Obama, the middle east wars and pop culture as whole since they much older by then and they were the main consumers back in the 80s and 90s.

I can definitely see Millennials being the major influence in the next decade as with this one since we will all be in our 30s and 40s and be one of the main folks to vote in the elections and to change the world by making it much more safer and peaceful. We have already made a significance in the workforce especially since some are teachers, social workers, nurses, artists, musicians etc.

Gen Z though, their influence will pretty much begin sometime in the 2030s as the oldest members will already be in their 30s by then considering they will have already voted in a few elections and made an impact in the workforce.


I must be an outlier among the Millennials because I hate the general culture of the 2010s and I'm not talking about pop culture but a lot of the cultural changes and how things are done.

I must be an outlier among the Millennials because I hate the general culture of the 2010s and I'm not talking about pop culture but a lot of the cultural changes and how things are done.


I think a lot of us realize the '00s was better. I hate the '10s too. In the 2020s I think you'll have at least some '00s nostalgia by '80s borns/very early '90s, like the '80s nostalgia that was around back in the '00s. Nobody said all Millennials love the 2010s anyway, but obviously they are more influential now than 10 years ago. In 2006 someone born in 1992 was 13/14 years old for example, how much influence in the adult world does a 13 year old have? None. Early millennials born in the '80s had influence in the '00s, but it was just starting back then. It'll be the same kind of transition in the 2020s.

I must be an outlier among the Millennials because I hate the general culture of the 2010s and I'm not talking about pop culture but a lot of the cultural changes and how things are done.
Oh I know what you mean. The atmosphere right now is just awful. It seems like no one can be themselves and they're forced to be what they don't want to do. You can't even have your own viewpoint without an SJW creeping up on you and telling you to stick with his or her  plan.

I think a lot of us realize the '00s was better. I hate the '10s too. In the 2020s I think you'll have at least some '00s nostalgia by '80s borns/very early '90s, like the '80s nostalgia that was around back in the '00s. Nobody said all Millennials love the 2010s anyway, but obviously they are more influential now than 10 years ago. In 2006 someone born in 1992 was 13/14 years old for example, how much influence in the adult world does a 13 year old have? None. Early millennials born in the '80s had influence in the '00s, but it was just starting back then. It'll be the same kind of transition in the 2020s.


Interesting post. Funny as the nostalgia for a decade only happens after certain born begin to have influence. When '80s born gained influence in the '00s we ended up seeing '80s nostalgia. In the '10s the '90s born started gaining influence which is why we now have '90s nostalgia (as of 2016 those from 1990-1996 are in their 20s and those from 1997-1998 are 18-19 and take part in pop culture). Soon in the '20s when '00s born finally reach age 20+ then we'd also see '00s nostalgia since '00s.

Would probably see them call backs to things like Harry Potter or Shrek (assuming we don't see them now).

IMO now that it’s 2017 I can’t see Y culture lasting past 2020

The thing is I'm a Millennial and I can't relate to the environment of the 2010s. It's like going into a warp where the values and everything are turned upside down. It's way more conformist, there's way fewer connections, less deeper thinking, and you're expected to be mature in the face of disrespect instead of fighting back. The idea of friends or significant others helping each other is also foreign to this era because it goes against the concept of independence. You're considered immature if you fight back but no one says a word to the people who start it because of this "you'll be no better than them" nonsense. There's so much emphasis on being normal and chill that if you stand out in any way you're derided as a special snowflake. It's where fitting in perfectly matters more than actually doing your job right. There's also this totally warped moral system going around where down is up and up is down and it's better to just let everything become worse. It's seen as OK to just insult people and expect them not to fight back and there's these incredibly rigid roles people are expected to fit into. I must be an outlier in my generation.


How old are you and where do you live.

I just don't think things are that bad.

Millennial culture isn't going anywhere. I'm born 1993 and I'm still 24 and pop culture still caters to me. People born in the '90s younger than me are not getting old for quite a while.

IMO now that it’s 2017 I can’t see Y culture lasting past 2020



Millennial culture isn't going anywhere. I'm born 1993 and I'm still 24 and pop culture still caters to me. People born in the '90s younger than me are not getting old for quite a while.
I actually think it's been over for some time. The culture these days seems to be more Gen Z oriented. There might be a little bit left that's for Millennials, but the overall atmosphere is for the iGen.

Probably 2018 and/or the following years when Early 2000s babies become adults.

Welcome to inthe00s!

Probably 2018 and/or the following years when Early 2000s babies become adults.


I can't wait until then. I'm a Millennial who can't fit into Millennial culture.

I personally think Gen Z culture has started since 2013. I think the 2017-18 school year or the 2018-19 school year will be one of the first 100% Gen Z school years IMO.

Depends. Gen Z kid culture started all the way back in 2005/6. Gen Z teen culture started sometime around 2013. Gen Z adult culture will start sometime in the next couple of years, when the early 00s borns reach adulthood.

I think Generation z culture is already in full swing by this point and there really isn’t a lot of millennial culture left. The 2020s as a decade will inevitably belong to Gen z

The thing is I'm a Millennial and I can't relate to the environment of the 2010s. It's like going into a warp where the values and everything are turned upside down. It's way more conformist, there's way fewer connections, less deeper thinking, and you're expected to be mature in the face of disrespect instead of fighting back. The idea of friends or significant others helping each other is also foreign to this era because it goes against the concept of independence. You're considered immature if you fight back but no one says a word to the people who start it because of this "you'll be no better than them" nonsense. There's so much emphasis on being normal and chill that if you stand out in any way you're derided as a special snowflake. It's where fitting in perfectly matters more than actually doing your job right. There's also this totally warped moral system going around where down is up and up is down and it's better to just let everything become worse. It's seen as OK to just insult people and expect them not to fight back and there's these incredibly rigid roles people are expected to fit into. I must be an outlier in my generation.

When people would say that this decade is conformist, I really didn't understand what they meant. Now that you've touched on it a bit I can understand where they're coming from. I guess a lot of times, if you try to follow your own way of doing things (whether it be in terms of fashion, music choice, or unconventional ways of living) someone will inevitably call you a hipster for doing so.

I can't wait until then. I'm a Millennial who can't fit into Millennial culture.


Then why call yourself a Millenial?

Then why call yourself a Millenial?
True, late-90s borns are graced by the fact of being the cusp so we can pick whatever we want ;D

True, late-90s borns are graced by the fact of being the cusp so we can pick whatever we want ;D


She was born 1986, actually.