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Subject: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/17/15 at 12:49 pm

Like how the 60s and 70s are kind of an era to some, or the 40s and 50s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: XYkid on 07/17/15 at 1:22 pm

I doubt it, the vibe and attitude of today is quite different from 10 years ago. I feel like people will more likely group the 90s and 00s together, as it was the main transition from the analogue 20th century and into the digital 21st century. Today, it is quite apparent that we live in a digital world, with smartphones and tablets being able to do everything in an instant, this type of technology was hardly available 10 years ago except to the very rich.
To me the 00s, especially the first half, was just a watered down continuation of 90s pop culture with but 70s/80s style politics and economy.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/17/15 at 2:16 pm

Maybe, who knows? People only pair up the '70s with the 1960's until about 1976 or so. There was a pretty big change in music in 1976. Look at these year end charts.

1975 http://longboredsurfer.com/charts/1975
1976: http://longboredsurfer.com/charts/1976

In 1976, disco started to become infused with rock , and rock 'n' roll started to sound more "stadium appropriate" which paved the way for the popularity of Toto. If "Hold the Line" was released in 1976 instead of 1978, it would have been just as popular. Bob Dylan and Don Mclean also lost a lot of star power that year. Post 1975, Bob Dylan's only Top 40 hit was "Gotta Serve Somebody" in 1979, which charted at #24.

Also, more "pure" disco started to come in around this time. The disco of 1975 and earlier was just faster-paced R&B, but 1976 was when more dance-oriented disco started to come in (which was the sound that would dominate the late 1970's). Compare KC & The Sunshine Band's "That's the Way (I Like It)" to ABBA's "Dancing Queen". Big difference in only one year.

Regarding the 2010s, maybe. 2015 feels like 2006 in most cases. Clothing hasn't changed much, and neither has music. I can tell we are now starting to enter a new era for television and movies though. I wonder what the last four years will be like? I'm guessing 2010-2015 will be seen as similar to the '00s while 2016-2019 will be seen as completely different. Like how 1970-1975 is paired up w/ the '60s and 1976-1979 is stereotypical '70s.



I doubt it, the vibe and attitude of today is quite different from 10 years ago.
To me the 00s, especially the first half, was just a watered down continuation of 90s pop culture with but 70s/80s style politics and economy.


Not that different from nine years ago. Only 2000-2003 has anything in common with the '90s. I see 2004-2009 as totally '00s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/17/15 at 2:30 pm

The 2000s are WAY different than the 2010s. There's no way that the 2000s can be compared technologically with the 2010s, due to the rises of tablets, smartphones, Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO GO and many more digital stuff that weren't around in the 2000s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/17/15 at 3:01 pm


I doubt it, the vibe and attitude of today is quite different from 10 years ago. I feel like people will more likely group the 90s and 00s together, as it was the main transition from the analogue 20th century and into the digital 21st century. Today, it is quite apparent that we live in a digital world, with smartphones and tablets being able to do everything in an instant, this type of technology was hardly available 10 years ago except to the very rich.
To me the 00s, especially the first half, was just a watered down continuation of 90s pop culture with but 70s/80s style politics and economy.


Interesting hmmm. But they could also appear more different (the 00s and 10s) to us because we're living in it, and can remember it more vividly. But those who don't live in it, or are too young to remember clearly, may see it as one whole era, the 00s and 10s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/17/15 at 3:03 pm


Maybe, who knows? People only pair up the '70s with the 1960's until about 1976 or so. There was a pretty big change in music in 1976. Look at these year end charts.

1975 http://longboredsurfer.com/charts/1975
1976: http://longboredsurfer.com/charts/1976

In 1976, disco started to become infused with rock , and rock 'n' roll started to sound more "stadium appropriate" which paved the way for the popularity of Toto. If "Hold the Line" was released in 1976 instead of 1978, it would have been just as popular. Bob Dylan and Don Mclean also lost a lot of star power that year. Post 1975, Bob Dylan's only Top 40 hit was "Gotta Serve Somebody" in 1979, which charted at #24.

Also, more "pure" disco started to come in around this time. The disco of 1975 and earlier was just faster-paced R&B, but 1976 was when more dance-oriented disco started to come in (which was the sound that would dominate the late 1970's). Compare KC & The Sunshine Band's "That's the Way (I Like It)" to ABBA's "Dancing Queen". Big difference in only one year.

Regarding the 2010s, maybe. 2015 feels like 2006 in most cases. Clothing hasn't changed much, and neither has music. I can tell we are now starting to enter a new era for television and movies though. I wonder what the last four years will be like? I'm guessing 2010-2015 will be seen as similar to the '00s while 2016-2019 will be seen as completely different. Like how 1970-1975 is paired up w/ the '60s and 1976-1979 is stereotypical '70s.


Not that different from nine years ago. Only 2000-2003 has anything in common with the '90s. I see 2004-2009 as totally '00s.


The 60s and 70s are pretty different, I think so. I think people lump them together because there was a 'hippie' vibe, long hair, and 'revolution' energy, about both decades.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/17/15 at 3:06 pm


The 2000s are WAY different than the 2010s. There's no way that the 2000s can be compared technologically with the 2010s, due to the rises of tablets, smartphones, Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO GO and many more digital stuff that weren't around in the 2000s.


I noticed that after Ellen DeGeneres came out in 1997, gay rights and culture really started to explode. And now gay and bisexual people can get married in all 50 states. That's one thing that the 00s and 10s have on common, gay culture coming to the forefront.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/17/15 at 3:23 pm


I noticed that after Ellen DeGeneres came out in 1997, gay rights and culture really started to explode. And now gay and bisexual people can get married in all 50 states. That's one thing that the 00s and 10s have on common, gay culture coming to the forefront.


Yeah, I think that's one of the only things that the 2000s and 2010s have in common. But still, the 2000s are more related to the 90s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 07/17/15 at 3:42 pm

Interesting topic, maybe 2006-2009 will be viewed as the same as 2010-2015!! But 2000-2005, NO WAY!!

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 07/17/15 at 4:03 pm

To be perfectly honest, I think it's too early to make this topic! In 2019 that will be the perfect time to ask this question!! :)

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: XYkid on 07/17/15 at 4:12 pm


I noticed that after Ellen DeGeneres came out in 1997, gay rights and culture really started to explode. And now gay and bisexual people can get married in all 50 states. That's one thing that the 00s and 10s have on common, gay culture coming to the forefront.
Gay rights would be much further ahead if Bush weren't our president in the 00s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Howard on 07/17/15 at 4:13 pm


To be perfectly honest, I think it's too early to make this topic! In 2019 that will be the perfect time to ask this question!! :)


It's hard to judge it right now.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/17/15 at 4:21 pm


Gay rights would be much further ahead if Bush weren't our president in the 00s.


Considering that Bush hated same-sex marriage, I think a lot of people would be more open if Al Gore won the presidency in the 2000 election.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: bchris02 on 07/17/15 at 4:52 pm

I doubt it.  I think the '90s and '00s had more in common than the '00s and '10s do.  It wasn't until 2006 or so that it really became apparent how far things had come since the '90s.  As for gay culture/acceptance, most of the 2000s was still pretty conservative in that respect.  It wasn't until 2008 and 2009 things really started to noticeably shift on that front.  In some parts of the country it still hasn't.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/17/15 at 5:02 pm


I doubt it.  I think the '90s and '00s had more in common than the '00s and '10s do.  It wasn't until 2006 or so that it really became apparent how far things had come since the '90s. As for gay culture/acceptance, most of the 2000s was still pretty conservative in that respect.  It wasn't until 2008 and 2009 things really started to noticeably shift on that front. In some parts of the country it still hasn't.


I noticed that people saw it as less as a taboo to come out as gay, or be gay starting like the early 00s. There will always be racism and homophobia, unfortunately, but I do notice it wasn't as intensely taboo in 2003 as it was in 1993. That's all I meant.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: #Infinity on 07/17/15 at 5:05 pm

I personally see the gay rights movement as more of a 2010s thing.  You had occasional events regarding the matter in the 80s (the AIDS epidemic), 90s (DOMA, LGBT-themed media like The Birdcage and RuPaul), and 2000s (same-sex marriage legalized in Massachusetts, Bush attempts to amend the Constitution to band gay marriage), but it was until after Proposition 8 barely passed in California that gay rights really began to enter mainstream discussion, fueled also by social media, and subsequently leading to several milestones for the cause in a very short time.  Except in Massachusetts and Connecticut, same-sex marriage was legalized in every state from 2009 on.  Before, from the Stonewall Riots of 1969 on, gay issues attracted some attention but weren't yet taken especially seriously, due to mainstream attitudes not yet being favorable towards gays and lesbians.

Going back to the topic at hand, I definitely can't imagine the 2010s being lumped together with the 2000s.  As stated before, the overall attitudes of the respective eras completely contrast each other.  The 2000s were more conservative, due to post-9/11 patriotism, as well as a general celebration of larger-than-life capitalism, represented both in the booming economy, as well as materialistic media like bling rap, the OC, and reality stars like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie.  After the Recession hit and Obama replaced Bush as president, the entire atmosphere began to change dramatically.  Nowadays, the trendy thing to do is to post lots of garbage on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram or to join some social cause, even if you don't entirely understand the implications.  9/11 was long gone, and instead the major concerns were the treatment of hispanic, African American, LGBT, and female individuals in a society striving to make itself more inclusive.  Unfortunately, these movements have focused primarily on acceptance, without regard to individualism, which, coming from my own experience as a lesbian, I still feel is hard when you don't fit the typical mold of a minority.  Even though online culture existed in the 2000s, the Internet still felt like a wonderland at the time and wasn't yet the catalyst for groupthink-driven discussions that it is now.  People became much more alienated by the artificial culture produced in the 2000s and, after breaking boundaries during 2009-2011, created their own artificial culture through the use of social media.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Mat1991 on 07/17/15 at 8:13 pm


I personally see the gay rights movement as more of a 2010s thing.  You had occasional events regarding the matter in the 80s (the AIDS epidemic), 90s (DOMA, LGBT-themed media like The Birdcage and RuPaul), and 2000s (same-sex marriage legalized in Massachusetts, Bush attempts to amend the Constitution to band gay marriage), but it was until after Proposition 8 barely passed in California that gay rights really began to enter mainstream discussion, fueled also by social media, and subsequently leading to several milestones for the cause in a very short time.  Except in Massachusetts and Connecticut, same-sex marriage was legalized in every state from 2009 on.  Before, from the Stonewall Riots of 1969 on, gay issues attracted some attention but weren't yet taken especially seriously, due to mainstream attitudes not yet being favorable towards gays and lesbians.


Great post, but I believe you mean, "was illegal in every state."

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: #Infinity on 07/17/15 at 11:56 pm


Great post, but I believe you mean, "was illegal in every state."


No, that's what I meant to write.  I said same-sex marriage was first legalized in all of the respective American states from 2009 on, aside from Massachusetts and Connecticut, who got it earlier.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: winteriscoming on 07/18/15 at 7:04 pm


I noticed that people saw it as less as a taboo to come out as gay, or be gay starting like the early 00s. There will always be racism and homophobia, unfortunately, but I do notice it wasn't as intensely taboo in 2003 as it was in 1993. That's all I meant.


Yeah I agree. Apparently America didn't really even begin to shift towards being sympathetic to gay rights at all until about 1992. I remember in the early 00s homophobia was more mainstream but people were already gradually becoming more accepting of them.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: winteriscoming on 07/18/15 at 7:06 pm

I think the 00s are overall more like the 90s too, though 2006-09 probably leans more towards being like today. The early 2000s do seem a bit different from the actual 90s, but still have a lot more in common with them than they are different.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Mat1991 on 07/18/15 at 9:32 pm

As a kid of the '90s and early '00s, my perception toward societal attitudes toward homosexuality looking back was that it was something not talked about, especially when children were around. I had no idea such of thing could exist until I watched an episode of ER around 2000-2001, at the age of nine, and saw a scene featuring two women kiss. It disgusted me at the time, and I'm speaking as a gay male.

Now, I would say the taboo around it has softened, including around children. I've noticed it's recently become trendy to introduce gay characters in kid-oriented movies and shows, examples including Paranorman and Good Luck Charlie.

I would say there have been more advancements in gay rights during this decade alone than during the entire span of the movement from the 1970s to the present.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/18/15 at 9:38 pm


As a kid of the '90s and early '00s, my perception toward societal attitudes toward homosexuality looking back was that it was something not talked about, especially when children were around. I had no idea such of thing could exist until I watched an episode of ER around 2000-2001, at the age of nine, and saw a scene featuring two women kiss. It disgusted me at the time, and I'm speaking as a gay male.

Now, I would say the taboo around it has softened, including around children. I've noticed it's recently become trendy to introduce gay characters in kid-oriented movies and shows, examples including Paranorman and Good Luck Charlie.

I would say there have been more advancements in gay rights during this decade alone than during the entire span of the movement from the 1970s to the present.


I think even as late as 1997-2000, there was still a hesitancy to accept gays, either in a storyline in a TV show, or in real life. But by 2001-2002, especially by 2002, I noticed attitudes started changing.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: mqg96 on 07/19/15 at 10:17 am

I hope not, I could see 2007-2009 being related to the 2010's decade, but no way 2000-2005/6 is related to the 2010's decade. Unfortunately we have all this misinformation all over the internet about how the 2000's decade really was, because 90's kid elitests have ruined it by creating useless pages filled with nostagia and when they dictate 2000's kids and even teen stuff too they completely forget that the 1st half of the decade existed.... ::)

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Slim95 on 07/19/15 at 12:10 pm

I don't think the 2000s are more like the 90s than the 2010s. The internet which is one of the biggest inventions in history wasn't used in the 90's whereas in the 2000s and 2010s they were both the norm. Though they are used in completely different formats in 2010s than 2000s and there are still lots of differences between 00's and 10's, for now though the 2010's and 2000s are much more closely related than the 90s and 00's. 90s was the decade that had enormous change in history because the Internet, not the 2000s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/19/15 at 1:46 pm


I don't think the 2000s are more like the 90s than the 2010s. The internet which is one of the biggest inventions in history wasn't used in the 90's whereas in the 2000s and 2010s they were both the norm. Though they are used in completely different formats in 2010s than 2000s and there are still lots of differences between 00's and 10's, for now though the 2010's and 2000s are much more closely related than the 90s and 00's. 90s was the decade that had enormous change in history because the Internet, not the 2000s.


But if you said that people from the 90s didn't use the Internet, then how come it had an enormous change in history? People started to use the Internet around the mid 90s, where dial-up was popular.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: winteriscoming on 07/19/15 at 1:57 pm


I don't think the 2000s are more like the 90s than the 2010s. The internet which is one of the biggest inventions in history wasn't used in the 90's whereas in the 2000s and 2010s they were both the norm. Though they are used in completely different formats in 2010s than 2000s and there are still lots of differences between 00's and 10's, for now though the 2010's and 2000s are much more closely related than the 90s and 00's. 90s was the decade that had enormous change in history because the Internet, not the 2000s.


The Internet was pretty widely used in the second half of the 90s, albeit only by a large minority of the general population.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/19/15 at 3:16 pm


I hope not, I could see 2007-2009 being related to the 2010's decade, but no way 2000-2005/6 is related to the 2010's decade.


I definitely see 2006 as having similarities to the present. Look at these pictures:

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/5100000/James-in-GQ-UK-January-2006-james-blunt-5199908-753-1011.jpg
http://www.flavourmag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/VMAS-2007-Las-Vegas.jpg

Not that different from today. Only some differences; such as higher-rise (supposedly) pants, less jewelry, shorter hair on guys, and less tweed (which was huge in the mid-late '00s). However, the 2010-2015 styles are just an evolution of what became popular in 2006. I can definitely see some similarities between the two decades.


Unfortunately we have all this misinformation all over the internet about how the 2000's decade really was, because 90's kid elitests have ruined it by creating useless pages filled with nostagia and when they dictate 2000's kids and even teen stuff too they completely forget that the 1st half of the decade existed.... ::)


I rarely even see '90s kids anymore on the internet. That was more of a 2011-2014 thing (peaked in 2013), now we're slowly inching towards what was popular among Generation X, particularly among tv and movies. Also, '90s kids are also '00s teens! Most people who grew up in the '90s aren't like that though (the whole "90s kid!" thing), and are happy with where they are in their lives too.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 3:19 pm

If the 2020s are different enough, maybe people will even lump the 90s together with the 00s and 10s. Perhaps 1993 to 2023 will be one big era.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Slim95 on 07/19/15 at 3:38 pm


But if you said that people from the 90s didn't use the Internet, then how come it had an enormous change in history? People started to use the Internet around the mid 90s, where dial-up was popular.

I didn't say Internet wasn't used in the 90's at all, I know it became popular in mid 90s. I meant it wasn't used for at least a part of the decade, unlike the 2000s where everyone had the internet in all the years.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: winteriscoming on 07/19/15 at 8:41 pm


I didn't say Internet wasn't used in the 90's at all, I know it became popular in mid 90s. I meant it wasn't used for at least a part of the decade, unlike the 2000s where everyone had the internet in all the years.


This is true. Most people got their first Internet connection either in the late 90s or early 00s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: #Infinity on 07/19/15 at 10:22 pm


I don't think the 2000s are more like the 90s than the 2010s. The internet which is one of the biggest inventions in history wasn't used in the 90's whereas in the 2000s and 2010s they were both the norm. Though they are used in completely different formats in 2010s than 2000s and there are still lots of differences between 00's and 10's, for now though the 2010's and 2000s are much more closely related than the 90s and 00's. 90s was the decade that had enormous change in history because the Internet, not the 2000s.


The Internet of the early to mid-2000s was hardly distinguishable from the Internet of 1997 in terms of basic features.  Sites like Amazon and eBay, instant messenger services, and email networks were all around back then, even if they were more widespread in the 2000s.  It really wasn't until 2006, when Wikipedia was ubiquitous, YouTube began to enter the mainstream, and social media was growing in popularity, that the Internet truly began to transform into its current incarnation.  Even then, I don't think this transition came full circle until 2009, when all of these new websites became the standard foundation of our daily activities and political discussions and not just the hip new technology.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Slim95 on 07/19/15 at 11:43 pm


The Internet of the early to mid-2000s was hardly distinguishable from the Internet of 1997 in terms of basic features.  Sites like Amazon and eBay, instant messenger services, and email networks were all around back then, even if they were more widespread in the 2000s.  It really wasn't until 2006, when Wikipedia was ubiquitous, YouTube began to enter the mainstream, and social media was growing in popularity, that the Internet truly began to transform into its current incarnation.  Even then, I don't think this transition came full circle until 2009, when all of these new websites became the standard foundation of our daily activities and political discussions and not just the hip new technology.

Well the years before 1997, which were also an important part of the 90's weren't like that. The internet wasn't around in the early 90s. That's why I think 2000s and 2010's are more similar. 90s just seem like a completely different time.

In the future nobody knows what will go where, it all depends on how much change happens and the 2010's aren't even finished yet so we can't be sure. For now though, all three decades are distinguishable with their own identity.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/19/15 at 11:49 pm

Whatever you all say, 1990-1995 is 'old' to me now, outdated.  ::)

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: sonic2005 on 07/20/15 at 2:07 am

maybe the latter half of the 2000s (2007-2009) could be lumped in with the current decade but 2000-2005??? no way that's like a whole other era on its own!!!!

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/20/15 at 12:51 pm


maybe the latter half of the 2000s (2007-2009) could be lumped in with the current decade


Don't forget 2006.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Slim95 on 07/20/15 at 12:53 pm


Don't forget 2006.

2006 is nothing like the current decade. Neither is 2007. Later part of 2008 does have similarities to this decade though.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: mqg96 on 07/20/15 at 1:11 pm


2006 is nothing like the current decade. Neither is 2007. Later part of 2008 does have similarities to this decade though.


He meant in terms of fashion like he posted in the previous page. Also, 2006 was the first year I started noticing Youtube getting kinda popular, including other social media sites, but I didn't start using it regularly until 2007. 2007 definitely does have some similarities to the 2010's though with SOME things. Not saying that 2007 was culturally like the 2010's, of course not but it does have some influence though. 2007 was the first full year 7th generation was in full swing with XBOX 360, Wii, and PS3, also it's the year I started noticing online gaming getting big including me playing online myself. At the same time, I still consider 2007 as the last core 2000's year, but it was the quintessential year of the decade at the same time.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Howard on 07/20/15 at 1:34 pm


This is true. Most people got their first Internet connection either in the late 90s or early 00s.


Our family got the internet in 1996.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: 80sfan on 07/21/15 at 1:10 am

Most people didn't have internet in 1990-1994. I'd say 1995 with AOL and stuff was when it began to boom. And by 1996 it was unstoppable.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: batfan2005 on 07/21/15 at 9:06 am

I don't think so. It would be like putting the 80's and 90's together.


Don't forget 2006.


I can't as much as I want to, lol.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ArcticFox on 07/21/15 at 12:49 pm


I don't think so. It would be like putting the 80's and 90's together.


No it wouldn't. Let's compare 1986 to 1996.

1986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLKtjATZt0
1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHA_L63KSDk

The 10 year difference is massive. It's even more obvious when you watch the music videos because then you can see the clothing and hairstyle differences. There's no way you can put the '80s and '90s together. With '00s and '10s (so far..) however, you can. Compare 2005 to 2015. There isn't much of a difference. Trap and crunk are very similar, synthesizers are still heavily used, and people still miss the '80s. "Shut Up and Dance" sounds like a song that could have been released in 2005, maybe even 2004. And I agree 2006 was a horrible year for popular culture.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Slim95 on 07/21/15 at 12:56 pm


No it wouldn't. Let's ompare 1986 to 1996.

1986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLKtjATZt0
1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHA_L63KSDk

The 10 year difference is massive. It's even more obvious when you watch the music videos because then you can see the clothing and hairstyle differences. There's no way you can put the '80s and '90s together. With '00s and '10s (so far..) however, you can. Compare 2005 to 2015. There isn't much of a difference. Trap and crunk are very similar, synthesizers are still heavily used, and people still miss the '80s. "Shut Up and Dance" sounds like a song that could have been released in 2005, maybe even 2004. And I agree 2006 was a horrible year for popular culture.

Maybe you can't now, but if there are massive changes in the future then sure you can put the 90s and 80s together and the entire 20th century together. And you say 2010s and 2000s are similar, but we are only in 2015 and aren't even close to finishing the 2010's. So wait until the 2010's finish to really see how different the 10's and 00's really are.

Also in my opinion, 2005 and 2015 are nothing alike. There were no smartphones, tablets, touchscreen platforms in 2005 and it's everywhere now. No YouTube, smartphones apps, Periscope, Instagram, Snap Chat, Facebook, etc. You had a couple social media sites on the web but the main one used by everyone was MySpace, which is obsolete now. Music and artists are super different and the culture is super different too. The culture now is much more focused around gays rights, women's rights, the environment, world issues, etc. In 2005, everything was more materialistic and the culture was mainly focused on the media with reality shows, TV, fashion, music rather than real world issues. The culture of 2015 is actually the opposite of 2005 if you think about it.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Howard on 07/21/15 at 1:48 pm


Most people didn't have internet in 1990-1994. I'd say 1995 with AOL and stuff was when it began to boom. And by 1996 it was unstoppable.


and Windows 95 came about.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: XYkid on 07/21/15 at 5:52 pm


No it wouldn't. Let's compare 1986 to 1996.

The 10 year difference is massive. It's even more obvious when you watch the music videos because then you can see the clothing and hairstyle differences. There's no way you can put the '80s and '90s together. With '00s and '10s (so far..) however, you can. Compare 2005 to 2015. There isn't much of a difference. Trap and crunk are very similar, synthesizers are still heavily used, and people still miss the '80s. "Shut Up and Dance" sounds like a song that could have been released in 2005, maybe even 2004. And I agree 2006 was a horrible year for popular culture.
Walk The Moon, the band that sings that song, have a very similar style to the Killers, who were very popular in the mid 00s, so I can attest to that.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ocarinafan96 on 07/22/15 at 1:32 am

I hope not. I think the 00's has more in common with the 90's the same could be said with the 70's and 80's Contrary to popular belief but the 80's and 90's were VERY Different.

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Written By: Shemp97 on 07/22/15 at 7:28 am


I didn't say Internet wasn't used in the 90's at all, I know it became popular in mid 90s. I meant it wasn't used for at least a part of the decade, unlike the 2000s where everyone had the internet in all the years.

Not quite. By 2009, there were only 1.73 billion internet users worldwide at any given time, 46% of which were in Asia. Compare that to 2015's 3 billion+ users and 2020's estimated 5 billion users. Sure it's a far cry from 1999's 275 million internet users. but it is definitely not a majority, regardless of how big the internet seemed in '09.


People started to use the Internet around the mid 90s, where dial-up was popular.

Might want to back up there. Dial-up in the late 90s was a minority choice at between 40-30%. Granted it might've been the single biggest choice for internet back then with broadband, satellite and other choices as runner ups, but the majority of internet users didn't use it, apparently.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: tv on 07/22/15 at 1:12 pm

The answer is mostly no but some yes though. I do think 2009 will be looked at as a 10's year because of Lady Gaga. There is no way Lady GaGa would have been popular in 2007 at all. The first half of 2007 still had some 2004 influence(Hip-Hop and R&B) but in late 2007 that was not the case.

I do think the 90's and 00's do have similar musical genres in common like R&B, Hip-Hop, and Post-Grunge and  some 90's artists making hit records like Green Day, Mariah Carey, and The Foo Fighters. The 10's have none of those genres in common except for maybe Wiz Khalifa or Iggy Azalea in the Hip-Hop genre from the 90's, and 00's although Hip-Hop started to become popular around 1986 or 1987. Its not like Crunk or Snap Rap are in style like they were in the mid to late 00's though in terms of musical styles in hip-hop.

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Written By: tv on 07/22/15 at 1:20 pm


No it wouldn't. Let's compare 1986 to 1996.

1986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLKtjATZt0
1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHA_L63KSDk

The 10 year difference is massive. It's even more obvious when you watch the music videos because then you can see the clothing and hairstyle differences. There's no way you can put the '80s and '90s together. With '00s and '10s (so far..) however, you can. Compare 2005 to 2015. There isn't much of a difference. Trap and crunk are very similar, synthesizers are still heavily used, and people still miss the '80s. "Shut Up and Dance" sounds like a song that could have been released in 2005, maybe even 2004. And I agree 2006 was a horrible year for popular culture.
Funny you mentioned 2005 and compare it to 2015. In 2005 rapper 50 Cent was a star now in 2015 he is filing for bankruptcy protection.

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Written By: Howard on 07/22/15 at 1:40 pm


Funny you mentioned 2005 and compare it to 2015. In 2005 rapper 50 Cent was a star now in 2015 he is filing for bankruptcy protection.


What will he do in the meantime?

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/22/15 at 5:47 pm


Might want to back up there. Dial-up in the late 90s was a minority choice at between 40-30%. Granted it might've been the single biggest choice for internet back then with broadband, satellite and other choices as runner ups, but the majority of internet users didn't use it, apparently.


I thought a lot of people used dial up back then. When was it a minority? It could've been a minority since the mid 2000s, but when did people chose broadband as a majority in the late 90s?

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Written By: 80sfan on 07/22/15 at 5:50 pm

People only lump the 80s and 90s together economically. Both decades were booming when it came to that area.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/22/15 at 6:05 pm


What will he do in the meantime?


I don't know. He can pretty much live a normal life maybe.

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Written By: XYkid on 07/22/15 at 7:19 pm

I've noticed there's a lot of mention about technology as well as pop culture.
In terms of pop culture, I feel that the 00s (Especially the first half) have more in common with the 90s by a long shot, and fashion remained relatively the same from the late 90s to about 2005.
In terms of technology, I can see why the 00s would be more lumped in with the 10s.
Politically speaking, the 00s may have more in common with the 10s, as 9/11 really changed a lot from the 90s into the 00s. At the same time, we are no longer in the conservative Bush era of the aughts, and there isn't as much paranoia surrounding terrorism, which has shifted more towards the government spying on us.

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Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 07/22/15 at 9:52 pm


No it wouldn't. Let's compare 1986 to 1996.

1986
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLKtjATZt0
1996
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHA_L63KSDk

The 10 year difference is massive. It's even more obvious when you watch the music videos because then you can see the clothing and hairstyle differences. There's no way you can put the '80s and '90s together. With '00s and '10s (so far..) however, you can. Compare 2005 to 2015. There isn't much of a difference. Trap and crunk are very similar, synthesizers are still heavily used,


I think synthesizers in 2015 are crazier and more commonly used compared to 2005.

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Written By: Todd Pettingzoo on 07/22/15 at 9:54 pm


Maybe you can't now, but if there are massive changes in the future then sure you can put the 90s and 80s together and the entire 20th century together. And you say 2010s and 2000s are similar, but we are only in 2015 and aren't even close to finishing the 2010's. So wait until the 2010's finish to really see how different the 10's and 00's really are.

Also in my opinion, 2005 and 2015 are nothing alike. There were no smartphones, tablets, touchscreen platforms in 2005 and it's everywhere now. No YouTube, smartphones apps, Periscope, Instagram, Snap Chat, Facebook, etc. You had a couple social media sites on the web but the main one used by everyone was MySpace, which is obsolete now. Music and artists are super different and the culture is super different too. The culture now is much more focused around gays rights, women's rights, the environment, world issues, etc. In 2005, everything was more materialistic and the culture was mainly focused on the media with reality shows, TV, fashion, music rather than real world issues. The culture of 2015 is actually the opposite of 2005 if you think about it.


I mostly agree.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/24/15 at 7:25 pm


Maybe you can't now, but if there are massive changes in the future then sure you can put the 90s and 80s together and the entire 20th century together. And you say 2010s and 2000s are similar, but we are only in 2015 and aren't even close to finishing the 2010's. So wait until the 2010's finish to really see how different the 10's and 00's really are.

Also in my opinion, 2005 and 2015 are nothing alike. There were no smartphones, tablets, touchscreen platforms in 2005 and it's everywhere now. No YouTube, smartphones apps, Periscope, Instagram, Snap Chat, Facebook, etc. You had a couple social media sites on the web but the main one used by everyone was MySpace, which is obsolete now. Music and artists are super different and the culture is super different too. The culture now is much more focused around gays rights, women's rights, the environment, world issues, etc. In 2005, everything was more materialistic and the culture was mainly focused on the media with reality shows, TV, fashion, music rather than real world issues. The culture of 2015 is actually the opposite of 2005 if you think about it.


Firstly, YouTube was made in 2005. Hell, some people know what YouTube was back when it was released. Second, I think you're ignoring the political issues of 2005 (e.g. Iraq War and George W. Bush's bullsheesh).

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Written By: Slim95 on 07/24/15 at 8:15 pm


Firstly, YouTube was made in 2005. Hell, some people know what YouTube was back when it was released. Second, I think you're ignoring the political issues of 2005 (e.g. Iraq War and George W. Bush's bullsheesh).

When I say "no" for something, I mean it wasn't popular, not that it wasn't invented... The internet was invented in the 60s but it is still acceptable to say "no internet in the 60s". YouTube did not get popular until 2006. Facebook was invented on 2004 but it wasn't popular until 2006 therefore "no facebook" and "no youtube" in 2005 is correct. MySpace was popular at this time though.

And I said it was more materialistic than now. I didn't say world issues didn't exist.

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Written By: Shemp97 on 07/25/15 at 12:59 pm


I thought a lot of people used dial up back then. When was it a minority? It could've been a minority since the mid 2000s, but when did people chose broadband as a majority in the late 90s?

It surprised me too, but the stats say the by 2000 it was at 34% which might've been a majority in terms of the most common way to access the Internet, but collectively, most people were using something else.


Facebook was invented on 2004 but it wasn't popular until 2006

More like 2009. Myspace was the Facebook of the hundreds(00s) decade.

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Written By: Slim95 on 07/25/15 at 1:58 pm


It surprised me too, but the stats say the by 2000 it was at 34% which might've been a majority in terms of the most common way to access the Internet, but collectively, most people were using something else.
More like 2009. Myspace was the Facebook of the hundreds(00s) decade.

I actually got Facebook in 2008 and was one of the last in my group to do so. I remember it being huge in 2008. 2009 it was even bigger though.

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Written By: Slim95 on 07/25/15 at 1:58 pm


I remember I actually opened a Facebook account in 2008 and was one of the last in my group to do so. I remember it being huge in 2008. 2009 it was even bigger though.

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Written By: bchris02 on 07/28/15 at 4:10 pm


Might want to back up there. Dial-up in the late 90s was a minority choice at between 40-30%. Granted it might've been the single biggest choice for internet back then with broadband, satellite and other choices as runner ups, but the majority of internet users didn't use it, apparently.


Where did you live?  I know in my area it wasn't until 1999 that I remember cable modems and DSL connections becoming popular.  According to this article, in the second quarter of 2000 only 5 percent of Internet users connected through a high-speed connection.  It may have been different depending on where you lived but for the vast majority of Americans the Y2K era was the peak of the dial-up era.

http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/11/01/technology/fcc_dsl/index.htm

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Written By: winteriscoming on 07/30/15 at 3:00 am


I actually got Facebook in 2008 and was one of the last in my group to do so. I remember it being huge in 2008. 2009 it was even bigger though.


I had a Facebook by December 2007 and while it was popular, it was still the "alternative" to MySpace then and mostly American college students using it. It wasn't until 2008 that it really became popular for all ages and internationally.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 07/30/15 at 1:57 pm


I had a Facebook by December 2007 and while it was popular, it was still the "alternative" to MySpace then and mostly American college students using it. It wasn't until 2008 that it really became popular for all ages and internationally.


Well, I could say that their games is made for all ages, but the whole experience is made for people ages 13 and older.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: ArcticFox on 08/13/15 at 3:09 pm


Walk The Moon, the band that sings that song, have a very similar style to the Killers, who were very popular in the mid 00s, so I can attest to that.


2000s new wave songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J82odjmlGrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UUPawNC5Lg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrkeWsQZNyU

Shut Up and Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjdIJ5ZSpSk

You see the similarities? And Stacy's Mom came out in 2003! It's seriously time for a major overhaul in popular music. Like, one akin to Nirvana's impact

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/14/15 at 2:55 pm


Interesting topic, maybe 2006-2009 will be viewed as the same as 2010-2015!! But 2000-2005, NO WAY!!


For 2006 and 2007, I don't think they're related to the 2010s at all, since most of the pop culture and technology wasn't really that comparable to the 2010s. I might say 2008 (a little bit) and 2009 is more comparable to the 2010s, since Obama's election happened at the time and that more people slowly used iPhones.

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/14/15 at 3:42 pm


For 2006 and 2007, I don't think they're related to the 2010s at all, since most of the pop culture and technology wasn't really that comparable to the 2010s. I might say 2008 (a little bit) and 2009 is more comparable to the 2010s, since Obama's election happened at the time and that more people slowly used iPhones.


Maybe not 2006, but 2007 definitely does have some 2010's influence though, because it was the very first year 7th generation gaming was in full swing and online gaming had became popular, but at the same time it was still a core 2000's year.

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/15/15 at 12:21 pm


Maybe not 2006, but 2007 definitely does have some 2010's influence though, because it was the very first year 7th generation gaming was in full swing and online gaming had became popular, but at the same time it was still a core 2000's year.


7th generation consoles came out in 2005. I also associate the Xbox 360 and PS3 with the '00s more so than with the '10s.  Look at it like the NES. It was an '80s console despite popularity into the early '90s.

The earliest year to have any '10s culture was 2008 and even that was minimal and appeared during the second half of the year. The farther we get into the '10s, the more it's clear that the late '00s really do belong to the 2000s.

As for the original topic of this question, the 90s and '00s share more similarities. In the broader spectrum of things, 1993-2008 could be considered one era, with the common theme being the transformation of western society from the analog, Cold War world of the 1980s to the digital world of the 2010s.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/15/15 at 1:59 pm


7th generation consoles came out in 2005. I also associate the Xbox 360 and PS3 with the '00s more so than with the '10s.  Look at it like the NES. It was an '80s console despite popularity into the early '90s.

The earliest year to have any '10s culture was 2008 and even that was minimal and appeared during the second half of the year. The farther we get into the '10s, the more it's clear that the late '00s really do belong to the 2000s.

As for the original topic of this question, the 90s and '00s share more similarities. In the broader spectrum of things, 1993-2008 could be considered one era, with the common theme being the transformation of western society from the analog, Cold War world of the 1980s to the digital world of the 2010s.


It depends. I consider 2007, 2008 and early-mid 2009 to be late 2000s, due to the entertainment and culture at the time. Around late 2009, I might say that's when 2010s culture started to rise, with Nickelodeon rebranding itself as the start of it. The rest is what everybody knows. Even if more people would get more calmer of the 2000s, I would still feel the same thing about the late 2000s. If you want a chart of what I think about 2000s culture, here's how I see it.

1999 - September 10, 2001 (pre-9/11 2000s aka The leftover '90s) This era is more likely to be associated with the 90s, because like any other era, it was too early to end the 90s culturally. Although, I may consider that 1999 was the start of the 2000s, due to many TV shows like The Sopranos, Spongebob and Dragon Tales premiering on television, while DVDs were starting to rise on popularity with VHS tapes. Hell, even the Dot com bubble was more associated with 1999. Video game consoles like the Playstation 1 and Nintendo 64 were still continuing on success at the moment, even though they died out in late 2001.

September 11, 2001 - 2003 (The early 2000s) Obviously, the political 2000s started with 9/11, causing paranoia in America. Especially with the country going on war with the Middle East. It's not really related to the 90s at all, despite having VHS tapes still being popular at the time. Windows XP was also released at the time. This was also the era when dial-up Internet started to die out along with many 90s Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network shows. Grand Theft Auto was also a very popular franchise with GTA III and Vice City. HBO went on to make even more shows with the popularity of The Sopranos, Sex and The City and Curb Your Enthusiasm.

2004 - 2006 (The mid 2000s) More 90s shows started to die out, mostly in 2004. This was also the era when Red Sox and White Sox fans finally have their teams winning the World Series in over 8 decades. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were starting to get more hip with the decade's children with Billy and Mandy, Foster's, Spongebob (despite having the first three seasons airing countless reruns), Avatar, My Life as a Teenage Robot and many more. San Andreas made GTA more fun as you can customize CJ with many things as you want. Movies were still being released on VHS tapes, while Shrek 2, The Incredibles, Over The Hedge, Madagascar, the Wallace and Gromit movies, Spider Man 2 and The Spongebob Squarepants Movie defined the 2000s. The housing bubble was going like wildfire. Social media websites like Reddit and Myspace were the most popular at the time. Also, in my honest opinion, this was the last era of where PBS Kids was still good. Internet services like AOL started to rot on this era, due to many people switching to other internet service providers at the time, despite surviving the late 2000s.

2007 - mid 2009 (The late 2000s) The economy crashes, George W. Bush was still president despite having Obama elected in 2008 and many early and mid 2000s shows from Nick and Cartoon Network were ending. Shows like Dexter, True Blood, Mad Men, Chowder, Flapjack, iCarly and Total Drama Island were getting popular while shows like The Sopranos were ending. Websites like YouTube and Facebook were the new crazes and replaced Myspace. Internet reviewers like the Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic got more interest into people. This was also when Nickelodeon still had good shows like Avatar, Making Fiends and the Mighty B, along with having actual positive reputation from people. Grand Theft Auto IV started a new universe in the GTA franchise, when Niko Bellic from Eastern Europe immigrates to Liberty City. Musicians like The Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga were hitting the scene.

late 2009 - March 2011 (The leftover 2000s) This was probably the last era where some sorts of 2000s culture survived like Newgrounds before they redesigned in 2012. But in all sorts, it was still the very early 2010s. What can I say? Nickelodeon started to rot immediately after their rebrand while Cartoon Network ended Chowder and Flapjack. It's not really that much fun if you loved Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network when they still had those shows, like me. Although, shows like Boardwalk Empire premiered, even if it was more associated with the 2010s. I'm saying March of 2011 was the end of the leftover 2000s era, because HBO rebranded itself around April and Game of Thrones also premiered on the same month. That was when the 2010s started with HBO, in my opinion.

Stuff that was shared throughout the whole 2000s:
The Harry Potter movies
The Shrek movies
The Spider-Man movies
The Sopranos
Spongebob
The Grand Theft Auto franchise
Rappers like Eminem
The later Game Boy units
Pokémon
War on Terror
Google
South Park and Family Guy's popularity

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/15/15 at 3:11 pm


7th generation consoles came out in 2005. I also associate the Xbox 360 and PS3 with the '00s more so than with the '10s.

Ok, XBOX 360 may have come out in 05 but 2005 was STILL STRICTLY a 6th gen year though!! I consider 2006 with the release of PS3 and Wii  the transition from 6th to 7th! Then in 2007 the 7th gen became THE standard!!

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/15/15 at 3:13 pm


It depends. I consider 2007, 2008 and early-mid 2009 to be late 2000s, due to the entertainment and culture at the time. Around late 2009, I might say that's when 2010s culture started to rise, with Nickelodeon rebranding itself as the start of it. The rest is what everybody knows. Even if more people would get more calmer of the 2000s, I would still feel the same thing about the late 2000s. If you want a chart of what I think about 2000s culture, here's how I see it.

1999 - September 10, 2001 (pre-9/11 2000s aka The leftover '90s) This era is more likely to be associated with the 90s, because like any other era, it was too early to end the 90s culturally. Although, I may consider that 1999 was the start of the 2000s, due to many TV shows like The Sopranos, Spongebob and Dragon Tales premiering on television, while DVDs were starting to rise on popularity with VHS tapes. Hell, even the Dot com bubble was more associated with 1999. Video game consoles like the Playstation 1 and Nintendo 64 were still continuing on success at the moment, even though they died out in late 2001.

September 11, 2001 - 2003 (The early 2000s) Obviously, the political 2000s started with 9/11, causing paranoia in America. Especially with the country going on war with the Middle East. It's not really related to the 90s at all, despite having VHS tapes still being popular at the time. Windows XP was also released at the time. This was also the era when dial-up Internet started to die out along with many 90s Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network shows. Grand Theft Auto was also a very popular franchise with GTA III and Vice City. HBO went on to make even more shows with the popularity of The Sopranos, Sex and The City and Curb Your Enthusiasm.

2004 - 2006 (The mid 2000s) More 90s shows started to die out, mostly in 2004. This was also the era when Red Sox and White Sox fans finally have their teams winning the World Series in over 8 decades. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon were starting to get more hip with the decade's children with Billy and Mandy, Foster's, Spongebob (despite having the first three seasons airing countless reruns), Avatar, My Life as a Teenage Robot and many more. San Andreas made GTA more fun as you can customize CJ with many things as you want. Movies were still being released on VHS tapes, while Shrek 2, The Incredibles, Over The Hedge, Madagascar, the Wallace and Gromit movies, Spider Man 2 and The Spongebob Squarepants Movie defined the 2000s. The housing bubble was going like wildfire. Social media websites like Reddit and Myspace were the most popular at the time. Also, in my honest opinion, this was the last era of where PBS Kids was still good. Internet services like AOL started to rot on this era, due to many people switching to other internet service providers at the time, despite surviving the late 2000s.

2007 - mid 2009 (The late 2000s) The economy crashes, George W. Bush was still president despite having Obama elected in 2008 and many early and mid 2000s shows from Nick and Cartoon Network were ending. Shows like Dexter, True Blood, Mad Men, Chowder, Flapjack, iCarly and Total Drama Island were getting popular while shows like The Sopranos were ending. Websites like YouTube and Facebook were the new crazes and replaced Myspace. Internet reviewers like the Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic got more interest into people. This was also when Nickelodeon still had good shows like Avatar, Making Fiends and the Mighty B, along with having actual positive reputation from people. Grand Theft Auto IV started a new universe in the GTA franchise, when Niko Bellic from Eastern Europe immigrates to Liberty City. Musicians like The Black Eyed Peas and Lady Gaga were hitting the scene.

late 2009 - March 2011 (The leftover 2000s) This was probably the last era where some sorts of 2000s culture survived like Newgrounds before they redesigned in 2012. But in all sorts, it was still the very early 2010s. What can I say? Nickelodeon started to rot immediately after their rebrand while Cartoon Network ended Chowder and Flapjack. It's not really that much fun if you loved Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network when they still had those shows, like me. Although, shows like Boardwalk Empire premiered, even if it was more associated with the 2010s. I'm saying March of 2011 was the end of the leftover 2000s era, because HBO rebranded itself around April and Game of Thrones also premiered on the same month. That was when the 2010s started with HBO, in my opinion.

Stuff that was shared throughout the whole 2000s:
The Harry Potter movies
The Shrek movies
The Spider-Man movies
The Sopranos
Spongebob
The Grand Theft Auto franchise
Rappers like Eminem
The later Game Boy units
Pokémon
War on Terror
Google
South Park and Family Guy's popularity

good job bro!!! :)

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/15/15 at 3:19 pm


good job bro!!! :)


Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/15/15 at 3:30 pm


Ok, XBOX 360 may have come out in 05 but 2005 was STILL STRICTLY a 6th gen year though!! I consider 2006 with the release of PS3 and Wii  the transition from 6th to 7th! Then in 2007 the 7th gen became THE standard!!


Xbox 360 dominated 7th generation so I consider it the standard bearer.  PS3 and Wii came a little later.  I would definitely consider the late 2000s as the peak of 7th generation video gaming.  I think XBOX ONE and PS4 will be the defining consoles of the '10s.

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/15/15 at 3:31 pm


Xbox 360 dominated 7th generation so I consider it the standard bearer.  PS3 and Wii came a little later.  I would definitely consider the late 2000s as the peak of 7th generation video gaming.  I think XBOX ONE and PS4 will be the defining consoles of the '10s.


Which is what everyone thinks about the 7th generation of gaming, with the PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/15/15 at 4:24 pm


Xbox 360 dominated 7th generation so I consider it the standard bearer.  PS3 and Wii came a little later.  I would definitely consider the late 2000s as the peak of 7th generation video gaming.  I think XBOX ONE and PS4 will be the defining consoles of the '10s.

I see what you saying! Yeah XBOX 360's and even the Wii's prime was DEFINITELY the late 2000s!!! However PS3 unfortunately peaked VERY late, the early 10s was it's hey day.

It's sad that NINTENDO is declining THIS MUCH!! >:( :\'(  They used to be standard when I got into gaming, now it seems like the fading way in obscurity! :\'(

Subject: Re: Will the 00s and 10s be put together, in the future?

Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/15/15 at 4:31 pm


I see what you saying! Yeah XBOX 360's and even the Wii's prime was DEFINITELY the late 2000s!!! However PS3 unfortunately peaked VERY late, the early 10s was it's hey day.

It's sad that NINTENDO is declining THIS MUCH!! >:( :\'(  They used to be standard when I got into gaming, now it seems like the fading way in obscurity! :\'(


Why is the PS3's hey day the early 2010s? Didn't it get a lot of hype when it was announced in 2005? Also, I agree with you on Nintendo declining. Ever since the Wii U was announced, it just failed. I don't even know why would they even call it the Wii U. They could have many other ideas to name their console, and that's their name for it? That stuff is one of the reasons why Nintendo is getting obscure nowadays. Even with the New 3DS XL, it's disappointing for them to see another new console.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/15/15 at 4:53 pm


Why is the PS3's hey day the early 2010s? Didn't it get a lot of hype when it was announced in 2005? Also, I agree with you on Nintendo declining. Ever since the Wii U was announced, it just failed. I don't even know why would they even call it the Wii U. They could have many other ideas to name their console, and that's their name for it? That stuff is one of the reasons why Nintendo is getting obscure nowadays. Even with the New 3DS XL, it's disappointing for them to see another new console.

PS3 did get a lot of hype when released but it had a terrible launch season! That's wheat started the meme PS3 has no games! lol The VERY late 00s like 08/09ish was when it starte getting cred but in the early 10s PS3 was in its prime the games coming out during that time were incredible.

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Written By: Howard on 08/15/15 at 5:59 pm


Xbox 360 dominated 7th generation so I consider it the standard bearer.  PS3 and Wii came a little later.  I would definitely consider the late 2000s as the peak of 7th generation video gaming.  I think XBOX ONE and PS4 will be the defining consoles of the '10s.


and soon to come the PS5 from what I was reading will not debut until 2017.

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/15/15 at 8:35 pm


PS3 did get a lot of hype when released but it had a terrible launch season! That's wheat started the meme PS3 has no games! lol The VERY late 00s like 08/09ish was when it starte getting cred but in the early 10s PS3 was in its prime the games coming out during that time were incredible.


Most people who were involved in Internet culture in the late '00s will remember this video.  It didn't stand the test of time because PS3 eventually was a success, but early in its lifestyle it was considered a failure.

RivzRnli4N0

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/15/15 at 8:42 pm


Most people who were involved in Internet culture in the late '00s will remember this video.  It didn't stand the test of time because PS3 eventually was a success, but early in its lifestyle it was considered a failure.

RivzRnli4N0


It sounds really late 2000s. Thanks for the nostalgia, even though the song is meant to be a parody.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/15/15 at 10:08 pm

2000 to 2002 seem different than 2015 by now.

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Written By: Howard on 08/16/15 at 7:07 am


I see what you saying! Yeah XBOX 360's and even the Wii's prime was DEFINITELY the late 2000s!!! However PS3 unfortunately peaked VERY late, the early 10s was it's hey day.

It's sad that NINTENDO is declining THIS MUCH!! >:( :\'(  They used to be standard when I got into gaming, now it seems like the fading way in obscurity! :\'(


I remember Nintendo back when it was:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/nintendo/images/8/8b/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_Model.png/revision/latest?cb=20120228011352&path-prefix=en

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Written By: KatanaChick on 08/16/15 at 8:57 am


and soon to come the PS5 from what I was reading will not debut until 2017.

But that's too soon! The PS4 still won't be that old yet!

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/16/15 at 9:02 am


But that's too soon! The PS4 still won't be that old yet!


Well, it's a year and a half old right now. Besides, I don't think Sony isn't going to make the PS5 soon, since they usually wait five or six years for people to buy their consoles, then make another one.

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Written By: Howard on 08/16/15 at 3:21 pm


But that's too soon! The PS4 still won't be that old yet!


That's what I read Katana, maybe it was in discussions.

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/16/15 at 3:44 pm

2017 is definitely too soon for a new generation of consoles.  I think if Sony releases the PS5 that soon, it will be a mistake.  2020 would be more like it.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/16/15 at 3:46 pm


2017 is definitely too soon for a new generation of consoles.  I think if Sony releases the PS5 that soon, it will be a mistake.  2020 would be more like it.


Well, you never know. It's unknown for what Sony could do with the PS5. They could probably release it in the later 2010s.

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Written By: #Infinity on 08/16/15 at 5:11 pm

Unlike the seventh generation console wars, which were evenly matched across the board, Sony is clearly winning the eighth generation wars, so it should focus on taking advantage of its dominance instead of already developing new, expensive hardware the same way Sega did during the early and mid-90s.

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/16/15 at 6:30 pm


Well, you never know. It's unknown for what Sony could do with the PS5. They could probably release it in the later 2010s.


bchris02 is right, I think we need to remind ourselves how long 7th generation gaming lasted. This is not the old 4th-6th generation era anymore when there needed to be new versions of games or consoles more frequently. The gaming world of today has so much advanced technology with online gaming and constant updates to maintain its time longer. May I remind everybody that 7th generation started back in 2005-2006 and lasted for about 8 years. You really could divide 7th generation into 2 different eras unlike the previous generations. A PS5 coming out this decade wouldn't even make sense. I couldn't see that coming out until around 2021 or 2022.

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Written By: tv on 08/16/15 at 11:45 pm


Maybe you can't now, but if there are massive changes in the future then sure you can put the 90s and 80s together and the entire 20th century together. And you say 2010s and 2000s are similar, but we are only in 2015 and aren't even close to finishing the 2010's. So wait until the 2010's finish to really see how different the 10's and 00's really are.

Also in my opinion, 2005 and 2015 are nothing alike. There were no smartphones, tablets, touchscreen platforms in 2005 and it's everywhere now. No YouTube, smartphones apps, Periscope, Instagram, Snap Chat, Facebook, etc. You had a couple social media sites on the web but the main one used by everyone was MySpace, which is obsolete now. Music and artists are super different and the culture is super different too. The culture now is much more focused around gays rights, women's rights, the environment, world issues, etc. In 2005, everything was more materialistic and the culture was mainly focused on the media with reality shows, TV, fashion, music rather than real world issues. The culture of 2015 is actually the opposite of 2005 if you think about it.
True, very good point.

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Written By: #Infinity on 08/17/15 at 4:49 am

While I can't see Microsoft or Sony releasing a new console until sometime in the next decade, like Slim95 predicts, I do wonder what direction Nintendo is going to take during the rest of the 2010s, considering the Wii U has been a flop, Satoru Iwata passed away, and the upcoming flagship Zelda game has had a worse delay than Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess combined.  It sounds like they're going to finally enter the mobile market, but I also wouldn't be totally surprised if they released a new home system in the late 2010s.  In a lot of ways, the Wii U's history is similar to that of the Sega Saturn, so I wouldn't be surprised if they followed it up with a Dreamcast-like gaming system to make up for their loss of ground.

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Written By: Howard on 08/17/15 at 6:55 am


2017 is definitely too soon for a new generation of consoles.  I think if Sony releases the PS5 that soon, it will be a mistake.  2020 would be more like it.


I would think they should wait another few more years.

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 2:02 pm


2017 is definitely too soon for a new generation of consoles.  I think if Sony releases the PS5 that soon, it will be a mistake.  2020 would be more like it.


Honestly with the way the current Gen Consoles are going, developers already close to maxing out the PS4/XBOX Ones performance, very small differences between the 7th & 8th gens, games still only outputing 1080p 30 fps, & PC outperforming consoles at a faster rate these days, this Gen might be MUCH shorter. With the Nintendo NX slated to arrive in late 2016 and kickstart the 9th generation, the PS5 & Xbox (Two?) might be released in late 2017 or more likely late 2018.

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Written By: ArcticFox on 08/17/15 at 2:03 pm


While I can't see Microsoft or Sony releasing a new console until sometime in the next decade, like Slim95 predicts, I do wonder what direction Nintendo is going to take during the rest of the 2010s, considering the Wii U has been a flop, Satoru Iwata passed away, and the upcoming flagship Zelda game has had a worse delay than Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess combined.  It sounds like they're going to finally enter the mobile market, but I also wouldn't be totally surprised if they released a new home system in the late 2010s.  In a lot of ways, the Wii U's history is similar to that of the Sega Saturn, so I wouldn't be surprised if they followed it up with a Dreamcast-like gaming system to make up for their loss of ground.


I agree with your views on Nintendo (even though they're my favorite company). I think Sony should release a PlayStation 5 in 2018 or 2019. The seventh generation of consoles lasted far too long. Five or Six years is the perfect length.

I think Microsoft should bow out of console gaming altogether. The original Xbox was their only good console and they're doing even worse than Nintendo. I think gaming just isn't for them.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 2:09 pm

I think 2020 will be when the real 21st century begins.  8)

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 2:19 pm


bchris02 is right, I think we need to remind ourselves how long 7th generation gaming lasted. This is not the old 4th-6th generation era anymore when there needed to be new versions of games or consoles more frequently. The gaming world of today has so much advanced technology with online gaming and constant updates to maintain its time longer. May I remind everybody that 7th generation started back in 2005-2006 and lasted for about 8 years. You really could divide 7th generation into 2 different eras unlike the previous generations. A PS5 coming out this decade wouldn't even make sense. I couldn't see that coming out until around 2021 or 2022.


Yeah but you also have to remember is that when the 7th generation began 9-10 years ago the Xbox 360 & PS3 were outperforming PCs by a Noticeable gap. So the consoles lasted much longer.

However the tides have turned as now PC is outperforming current day game consoles. Heck the architecture of the current day consoles is probably about as powerful as current day lower-mid range PC, THATS NOT GOOD!

Plus PC gaming is now much more mainstream than it was 10 years ago and its starting to become very accessible to most gamers (heck even casuals) as well.

So If Sony & Microsoft (especially Sony) wants to try and stay relevant they need to release much more powerful systems, equal in performance to upper-mid range pcs at the lowest sometime by the end of this decade. 2018 seems like the sweet spot.

They cannot release it earlier because that would piss off the many people (including myself lol) that bought the PS4 expecting it to be atleast 5 years.

Plus the PS4 is killing the competition so cutting the lifespan short would make no sense what so ever. By 2018 the PS4 sales might start to slow down a little bit, so that would be the perfect time to release the PS5.

However at the same time if they release their consoles after 2018-2019 they will just be shooting themselves in the foot because the PC would continue to dominate the gaming world and Sony & Microsoft would have to rely on their very outdated (by that time) lower end pc like systems. They most likely wont get the big name releases or at the very least will get very downgraded ports of those games (heck we're already starting to see that now).

So 2016 or 2017 for the NX & 2017 or 2018 for the PS5 & NXTBOX would be the perfect time to release state of the art consoles and start to play hard ball with the PC gaming market

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 2:30 pm


I think 2020 will be when the real 21st century begins.  8)


Why do you think the real 21st century will start by 2020? We already had DVDs being popular since the early 2000s, which is suppose to change the world on how to view home entertainment. Hell, we even have a lot of technology that changed the world. How are we not in the 21st century?

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 2:58 pm


Why do you think the real 21st century will start by 2020? We already had DVDs being popular since the early 2000s, which is suppose to change the world on how to view home entertainment. Hell, we even have a lot of technology that changed the world. How are we not in the 21st century?


I was being silly. I remember DVDs really taking of in 1999/2000.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 3:04 pm


I was being silly. I remember DVDs really taking of in 1999/2000.


But most people were still using VCRs back in 1999 and 2000. It wasn't really the majority until 2003.

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/17/15 at 3:12 pm



Plus PC gaming is now much more mainstream than it was 10 years ago and its starting to become very accessible to most gamers (heck even casuals) as well.



I disagree with this.  2003-2006 were the peak of my PC gaming days.  Back then, all kinds of unique games were coming out for PC only that took full advantage of the platform.  Today's games are designed primarily with consoles in mind and then ported to the PC as an afterthought.  In many ways this has stunted technological advancement. PC games in that era really pushed the limits of high-end hardware, which in turn pushed better technology.  When a new generation of consoles was released it merely caught up to where the top-end PCs of the day already were.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 3:19 pm


But most people were still using VCRs back in 1999 and 2000. It wasn't really the majority until 2003.


I first heard of DVD in 1998. I think you're right though. There were a bunch of DVD commercials during 1999/2000 though.

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 3:28 pm


I disagree with this.  2003-2006 were the peak of my PC gaming days.  Back then, all kinds of unique games were coming out for PC only that took full advantage of the platform.  Today's games are designed primarily with consoles in mind and then ported to the PC as an afterthought.  In many ways this has stunted technological advancement. PC games in that era really pushed the limits of high-end hardware, which in turn pushed better technology.  When a new generation of consoles was released it merely caught up to where the top-end PCs of the day already were.


Well you are right it was at its peak in the mid 00's but it was still seen as a novelty to most people. When Steam started get big in the late 00's, thats when PC gaming started to become much more mainstream.

Honestly, while there are a few recent examples of developers focusing more on consoles rather than pc thats really starting to change as well. Most PC ports (lets use GTA V for instance) are on a different level to the console versions of those same games. Better graphics, textures, framerate, support for MODs, better and much more fleshed out online communities and servers, etc.

As this trend continues, our current day consoles are going to be left out by the dust because the hardware & software (especially hardware) of current day consoles cannot keep up with PCs. Its a fact.

Plus more and more indie developers are opting to PC now as well.

When the 9th generation begins by the end of this decade (hopefully) the big three needs to seriously catch up to the standards of PC. Not just hardware but online capabilities and software as well.

The fact that a few young adults a year ago were able to do DDOS attack on the PS4 & Xbox One servers with ease, or the fact how atleast every other month there is something wrong with the PSN or XBL Servers, or even Nintendo not having voice chat in a lot of their online games, shows that theres a HUGE problem with todays consoles and how they are built & operated

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 3:28 pm


I first heard of DVD in 1998. I think you're right though. There were a bunch of DVD commercials during 1999/2000 though.


Apparently DVDs officially surpassed VHS sales in June 2003, so 12 years ago

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Written By: bchris02 on 08/17/15 at 3:37 pm


Well you are right it was at its peak in the mid 00's but it was still seen as a novelty to most people. When Steam started get big in the late 00's, thats when PC gaming started to become much more mainstream.


I see what you are saying.  PC gaming did go through an era, especially between 2004 and 2007, where in order to play the most recent games you pretty much had to have a top-end PC, meaning at that time shelling out $1500-2000.  I am certain that is what gave 7th generation consoles such a huge advantage over the PC compared to 6th gen. 

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Written By: Howard on 08/17/15 at 4:00 pm


Honestly with the way the current Gen Consoles are going, developers already close to maxing out the PS4/XBOX Ones performance, very small differences between the 7th & 8th gens, games still only outputing 1080p 30 fps, & PC outperforming consoles at a faster rate these days, this Gen might be MUCH shorter. With the Nintendo NX slated to arrive in late 2016 and kickstart the 9th generation, the PS5 & Xbox (Two?) might be released in late 2017 or more likely late 2018.


Why do they name the consoles by generations?

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 4:02 pm


Why do they name the consoles by generations?


If you meant by the Playstation, then I guess they do that, because they don't want to run out of names.

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/17/15 at 4:06 pm


While I can't see Microsoft or Sony releasing a new console until sometime in the next decade, like Slim95 predicts, I do wonder what direction Nintendo is going to take during the rest of the 2010s, considering the Wii U has been a flop, Satoru Iwata passed away, and the upcoming flagship Zelda game has had a worse delay than Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess combined.  It sounds like they're going to finally enter the mobile market, but I also wouldn't be totally surprised if they released a new home system in the late 2010s.  In a lot of ways, the Wii U's history is similar to that of the Sega Saturn, so I wouldn't be surprised if they followed it up with a Dreamcast-like gaming system to make up for their loss of ground.


It still hits me really hard in the chest when I think about it, add this statement to the rest of Nintendo's biggest problems in this generation of gaming, I really don't know how the company is going to recover anytime soon.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 4:10 pm


It still hits me really hard in the chest when I think about it, add this statement to the rest of Nintendo's biggest problems in this generation of gaming, I really don't know how the company is going to recover anytime soon.


I don't think they'll recover majorly. They don't really have that much reputation in this generation, since everybody is just playing GTA V or Call of Duty on their Playstation 4, Xbox One or PCs. I'm not saying that Sony and Microsoft is ruining Nintendo's reputation. I'm just saying Nintendo is just running out of ideas nowadays.

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/17/15 at 4:19 pm


I don't think they'll recover majorly. They don't really have that much reputation in this generation, since everybody is just playing GTA V or Call of Duty on their Playstation 4, Xbox One or PCs. I'm not saying that Sony and Microsoft is ruining Nintendo's reputation. I'm just saying Nintendo is just running out of ideas nowadays.


First person shooter games with dark gore elements, the latest graphics, and most of all the online experience, have became the norm of popular gaming nowadays. I like Call of Duty: Black Ops, Assassins Creed, GTA: V, Battlefield 3, and more games like that, it's just that I don't like the fact that it's mostly about the entertainment now and other genres of traditional gaming have died out in popularity.

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Written By: Howard on 08/17/15 at 4:29 pm


If you meant by the Playstation, then I guess they do that, because they don't want to run out of names.


I mean video game consoles in general.

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Written By: Howard on 08/17/15 at 4:30 pm


First person shooter games with dark gore elements, the latest graphics, and most of all the online experience, have became the norm of popular gaming nowadays. I like Call of Duty: Black Ops, Assassins Creed, GTA: V, Battlefield 3, and more games like that, it's just that I don't like the fact that it's mostly about the entertainment now and other genres of traditional gaming have died out in popularity.


Why are kids into shooting games a lot?

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 4:34 pm


First person shooter games with dark gore elements, the latest graphics, and most of all the online experience, have became the norm of popular gaming nowadays. I like Call of Duty: Black Ops, Assassins Creed, GTA: V, Battlefield 3, and more games like that, it's just that I don't like the fact that it's mostly about the entertainment now and other genres of traditional gaming have died out in popularity.


Well, it's not like people actually want to have traditional styles of gaming. Nobody really wants to buy the same stuff over and over again with platformers and RPGs. Nintendo was dominant on those two genres, and yet people get bored of their games (e.g. Pokemon and Mario).

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Written By: Slim95 on 08/17/15 at 4:40 pm


Why do you think the real 21st century will start by 2020? We already had DVDs being popular since the early 2000s, which is suppose to change the world on how to view home entertainment. Hell, we even have a lot of technology that changed the world. How are we not in the 21st century?

DVDs change the world??? DVDs are the same as VHS when you compare it to online digital streaming.  ;D

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 4:42 pm


DVDs change the world??? DVDs are the same as VHS when you compare it to online digital streaming.  ;D


Well, I meant that they're played by using discs, while with VHS, they're played by using bulky cassette tapes.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 4:43 pm


Well, it's not like people actually want to have traditional styles of gaming. Nobody really wants to buy the same stuff over and over again with platformers and RPGs. Nintendo was dominant on those two genres, and yet people get bored of their games (e.g. Pokemon and Mario).
I think what Mqg meant by that is the diversity of games. These days, there's not many racing, fighting, puzzle, party or even adventure games (these are different from platformers). Yes, there were lots of platformers back then, but there were plenty of games from other genres as well. Since the second half of the 7th generation, it seems to be more about entertainment and FPSes than actual gaming. 

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 4:53 pm


I think what Mqg meant by that is the diversity of games. These days, there's not many racing, fighting, puzzle, party or even adventure games (these are different from platformers). Yes, there were lots of platformers back then, but there were plenty of games from other genres as well. Since the second half of the 7th generation, it seems to be more about entertainment and FPSes than actual gaming. 

Yep the gaming industry has been going downhill since the second half of the 7th gen IMO!!!!

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 5:01 pm


Yep the gaming industry has been going downhill since the second half of the 7th gen IMO!!!!
I'm with you on that. I wish it was back the way it was. It's a gaming industry, not an entertainment one. There's already an industry for that.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 5:03 pm


I'm with you on that. I wish it was back the way it was. It's a gaming industry, not an entertainment one. There's already an industry for that.


Sadly, I don't think modern gamers would agree with you on that. They're happy with having the Internet on their consoles nowadays.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:17 pm


Sadly, I don't think modern gamers would agree with you on that. They're happy with having the Internet on their consoles nowadays.

I don't think it's because mx and I have gotten older. Internet gaming isn't even the problem though; making it into a living room, blu ray, Netflix, mainstream console is the problem!! The gaming industry has evolved into a entertainment video game industry, just like WWE is sports entertainment, that's what's happening to gaming! and I HATE IT!!!! I wish it was just Nintendo, SEGA, and Sony again!!

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 5:22 pm


I don't think it's because mx and I have gotten older. Internet gaming isn't even the problem though; making it into a living room, blu ray, Netflix, mainstream console is the problem!! The gaming industry has evolved into a entertainment video game industry, just like WWE is sports entertainment, that's what's happening to gaming! and I HATE IT!!!! I wish it was just Nintendo, SEGA, and Sony again!!


If you hate it so much, then why do you still play their games? They're not forcing you to buy all of this stuff. They thought it was a good idea to make video game consoles accessible to play Netflix, DVDs, Blu-Ray, Amazon, etc. And I agree with them. Why? Because they think that families should watch movies or TV shows together, just like any other generation.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:27 pm


If you hate it so much, then why do you still play their games? They're not forcing you to buy all of this stuff. They thought it was a good idea to make video game consoles accessible to play Netflix, DVDs, Blu-Ray, Amazon, etc. And I agree with them. Why? Because they think that families should watch movies or TV shows together, just like any other generation.

I dislike the industry not the games that are being produced!! The reasons I said what I said earlier is because it seems like the industry cares more about the other stuff more than the games!! That's WHAT I HATE!! >:(  Unfinished games, mediocre games, etc. 8-P  Last year was an horrendous year for the business!! >:( 8-P  It's looking a little better, but for right now I'm collecting some old games! 8)

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:31 pm


First person shooter games with dark gore elements, the latest graphics, and most of all the online experience, have became the norm of popular gaming nowadays. I like Call of Duty: Black Ops, Assassins Creed, GTA: V, Battlefield 3, and more games like that, it's just that I don't like the fact that it's mostly about the entertainment now and other genres of traditional gaming have died out in popularity.

agreed!! Assassian's Creed went downhill after 3 IMO!!! I'm sooooooo DAMN tired of COD!! GTA is GTA, they've been coming out for years so I really have no complaints about that!!

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 5:35 pm


Well, it's not like people actually want to have traditional styles of gaming. Nobody really wants to buy the same stuff over and over again with platformers and RPGs. Nintendo was dominant on those two genres, and yet people get bored of their games (e.g. Pokemon and Mario).

So why do people buy the same rehash of Call of Duty, Assasin's Creed & Madden every year?

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:40 pm


I agree with your views on Nintendo (even though they're my favorite company). I think Sony should release a PlayStation 5 in 2018 or 2019. The seventh generation of consoles lasted far too long. Five or Six years is the perfect length.

I think Microsoft should bow out of console gaming altogether. The original Xbox was their only good console and they're doing even worse than Nintendo. I think gaming just isn't for them.

THIS. Microsoft should have never gotten in the gaming business, if SEGA were still in the business, the industry would be in ever better shape! Although, I think that the 360 was their best console!

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:40 pm


So why do people buy the same rehash of Call of Duty, Assasin's Creed & Madden every year?

EXACTLY!!

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 5:43 pm


Well, it's not like people actually want to have traditional styles of gaming. Nobody really wants to buy the same stuff over and over again with platformers and RPGs. Nintendo was dominant on those two genres, and yet people get bored of their games (e.g. Pokemon and Mario).

Seriously?! ;D  ;D Back then, it was actually diverse. Now everything feels the damn same! I want that diversity in gaming back, and I even want to see beat em ups come back too!!

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 5:52 pm


Sadly, I don't think modern gamers would agree with you on that. They're happy with having the Internet on their consoles nowadays.
What EazyEman said. I have no problems with online gaming. That's been around for while. The gaming becoming entertainment is the issue. I can understand they were innovating; however, it seems like it backfired. The game industry doesn't seem one anymore. Heck, I don't even see competition between the 3 companies at all. It seem like it's more about the best graphics, entertainment and realism than actual gameplay. From what Infinity stated, it seems that Nintendo and other the companies are heading the same direction that Sega did back in the 90s. Microsoft should have stuck with computers. The 360 changed the entire industry for the worse and it hasn't been the same since.

Have you noticed that Microsoft is the one that brought in the entertainment to the game consoles? Before the 7th generation, Nintendo and Sony were more focused on making games. Now they went the same route as Microsoft and while they still do make decent games, they haven't been themselves.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 5:59 pm


What EazyEman said. I have no problems with online gaming. That's been around for while. The gaming becoming entertainment is the issue. I can understand they were innovating; however, it seems like it backfired. The game industry doesn't seem one anymore. Heck, I don't even see competition between the 3 companies at all. It seem like it's more about the best graphics, entertainment and realism than actual gameplay. From what Infinity stated, it seems that Nintendo and other the companies are heading the same direction that Sega did back in the 90s. Microsoft should have stuck with computers. The 360 changed the entire industry for the worse and it hasn't been the same since.

Have you noticed that Microsoft is the one that brought in the entertainment to the game consoles? Before the 7th generation, Nintendo and Sony were more focused on making games. Now they went the same route as Microsoft and while they still do make decent games, they haven't been themselves.


Well, technically, the PS2 (which is made by Sony) brought in the entertainment, due to the ability of playing DVDs and CDs on the console. Besides, Sega failed because they didn't have the balls to bring in that much good games. All they had for the Dreamcast was the Sonic Advance games.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 6:03 pm


Well, technically, the PS2 (which is made by Sony) brought in the entertainment, due to the ability of playing DVDs and CDs on the console. Besides, Sega failed because they didn't have the balls to bring in that much good games. All they had for the Dreamcast was the Sonic Advance games.

PS2 having DVDs was the first sign, but they still focused MORE ON GAMES!! But Microsoft with the 360 brought that to a whole nother level!! The Dreamcast had NBA and NFL 2k games, soulcalibur, MVSC2, Jet Set Radio, Shenmue, Quake 3 Arena ,Capcom vs SNK etc.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 6:08 pm


PS2 having DVDs was the first sign, but they still focused MORE ON GAMES!! But Microsoft with the 360 brought that to a whole nother level!! The Dreamcast had NBA and NFL 2k games, soulcalibur, MVSC2, Jet Set Radio, Shenmue, Quake 3 Arena ,Capcom vs SNK etc.


But it really didn't brought that much attention to everyone. Not to mention that it was discontinued two years after its release. Also, it's not like the 360 could do that much when it was released in 2005. I bet it was just Microsoft's version of the PS2 back then.

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 7:13 pm


What EazyEman said. I have no problems with online gaming. That's been around for while. The gaming becoming entertainment is the issue. I can understand they were innovating; however, it seems like it backfired. The game industry doesn't seem one anymore. Heck, I don't even see competition between the 3 companies at all. It seem like it's more about the best graphics, entertainment and realism than actual gameplay. From what Infinity stated, it seems that Nintendo and other the companies are heading the same direction that Sega did back in the 90s. Microsoft should have stuck with computers. The 360 changed the entire industry for the worse and it hasn't been the same since.

Have you noticed that Microsoft is the one that brought in the entertainment to the game consoles? Before the 7th generation, Nintendo and Sony were more focused on making games. Now they went the same route as Microsoft and while they still do make decent games, they haven't been themselves.


I also noticed starting in the 7th generation that:

1. Menu screens to access games and other entertainment became common

2. The lack of Game intros (ie, the classic PS1 bootup intro or the Sega Dreamcast intro)

3. Firmware updates

4. Games with DRM on it (Capcom I'm looking at you!!!!!)

5. On Disc DLC

6. Exclusive Pre Order Deals and just the whole expansion of pre orders in general

7. Game developers 'patching' games (really just adding content that was originally promised in the game, months after the game is released)

And a few more disturbing practices that we see today...

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 7:25 pm




I also noticed starting in the 7th generation that:

1. Menu screens to access games and other entertainment became common

2. The lack of Game intros (ie, the classic PS1 bootup intro or the Sega Dreamcast intro)

3. Firmware updates

4. Games with DRM on it (Capcom I'm looking at you!!!!!)

5. On Disc DLC

6. Exclusive Pre Order Deals and just the whole expansion of pre orders in general

7. Game developers 'patching' games (really just adding content that was originally promised in the game, months after the game is released)

And a few more disturbing practices that we see today...


1. They use menus like that because they need to use an operating system for the console.

2. They still have console intros. Especially the Xbox One.

3. They need those so that the operating systems wouldn't get all glitchy. Same with how your computer needs updates so that it can work properly.

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 7:39 pm


1. They use menus like that because they need to use an operating system for the console.

2. They still have console intros. Especially the Xbox One.

3. They need those so that the operating systems wouldn't get all glitchy. Same with how your computer needs updates so that it can work properly.


1. I understand that but it loses the charm of older game generations, when you wanted to play a game all you had to do was insert the cartridge or game disc, turn on the system and play your game. That charm has been lost for the most part since the 7th gen

2. Well Xbox yeah (sort of) but no one else really uses it anymore

3. Never said that was an issue, its just a charm that you lose. Its all sort of a contradiction because game consoles have historically been the easier of much more accessible way to play games meaning, No GUIS, No firmware updates, just playing your games lol

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/17/15 at 7:50 pm


So why do people buy the same rehash of Call of Duty, Assasin's Creed & Madden every year?


Well I'll admit I'm a huge fan of NCAA Football (although cancelled after '14 :( ) and Madden games, however, I see your point, like E-Man '95 mentioned, the mainstream media and the digital age we're in. Like I'll use the XBOX for example, they'll convince you to get your games because you'll get a subscription for several months, bunch of variety Netflix or high speed internet on there. While at the same time they forget to put the afford into making new games with great updates. I always say that variety is key, but this is part of the reason why the variety of gaming is less now.

I'll say it again, I'm a HUGE fan of first person shooter games and I love Madden football, but, just look back at the previous generations and look at much more you had before when more afford were put into the games and it was in its prime. Like seriously when was like the last big hit Crash Bandicoot game I've heard of? (although I've grown out of it anyway) Get what I'm trying to say.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 7:58 pm


So why do people buy the same rehash of Call of Duty, Assasin's Creed & Madden every year?


Madden and COD, I'll get that it's just the same. But Assassin's Creed? Dude, every installment is different, since it takes place on a different time and setting.

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Written By: Eazy-EMAN1995 on 08/17/15 at 8:33 pm

and another thing bout 7th gen I noticed a lot of my favorite franchises growing up went downhill like Resident Evil, the DBZ games, Devil May Cry, Wrestling games, Fable, Soul Calibur. Hell, even Halo was going downhill at one point!

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 8:34 pm


Well, technically, the PS2 (which is made by Sony) brought in the entertainment, due to the ability of playing DVDs and CDs on the console. Besides, Sega failed because they didn't have the balls to bring in that much good games. All they had for the Dreamcast was the Sonic Advance games.
No. Sega failed because as they were making a comeback, PS2 swept them under the floor with its sales. In addition, they were already in decline after some of their bad marketing strategies with the Saturn. The Dreamcast had plenty of good games. In fact, most of them gained sequels the following years.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/17/15 at 8:41 pm


No. Sega failed because as they were making a comeback, PS2 swept them under the floor with its sales. In addition, they were already in decline after some of their bad marketing strategies with the Saturn. The Dreamcast had plenty of good games. In fact, most of them gained sequels the following years.


I can get that. Especially with Sega being a third-party company after they discontinued the Dreamcast, but they aren't that big anymore. Even their hardcore fans wouldn't bother of buying their games anymore.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 10:09 pm




I also noticed starting in the 7th generation that:

1. Menu screens to access games and other entertainment became common

2. The lack of Game intros (ie, the classic PS1 bootup intro or the Sega Dreamcast intro)

3. Firmware updates

4. Games with DRM on it (Capcom I'm looking at you!!!!!)

5. On Disc DLC

6. Exclusive Pre Order Deals and just the whole expansion of pre orders in general

7. Game developers 'patching' games (really just adding content that was originally promised in the game, months after the game is released)

And a few more disturbing practices that we see today...
This. These are the flaws I've seen since the 7th generation began. Also, I think you're right about the pre-orders. I remember watching commercials for some games and almost none were being pre ordered during the 5th and 6th generations.


1. They use menus like that because they need to use an operating system for the console.

2. They still have console intros. Especially the Xbox One.

3. They need those so that the operating systems wouldn't get all glitchy. Same with how your computer needs updates so that it can work properly.
OcarinaFan96 is right. Before the 7th generation, the console went straight to the game after showing the intro. Yes, the PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, GameCube and Xbox had menus; however, all of them barely had anything other than the usual options and save game data.

You're right that updates are needed to keep the PC properly working; however, game consoles don't need that. Hell, despite the 6th generation consoles having a menu, they didn't have firmware updates as it was unnecessary. These awful things are what's destroying the game industry within.

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 10:12 pm


I can get that. Especially with Sega being a third-party company after they discontinued the Dreamcast, but they aren't that big anymore. Even their hardcore fans wouldn't bother of buying their games anymore.
They may not be huge anymore, but they were one of the leading forces in the game industry back then. In fact, Sega was a much better competitor to Sony and Nintendo than Microsoft ever was.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 11:14 pm

So....when was the peak of the videogame era, since you all know so much about it?

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Written By: ArcticFox on 08/17/15 at 11:17 pm


So....when was the peak of the videogame era, since you all know so much about it?


1995-2004

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Written By: ocarinafan96 on 08/17/15 at 11:19 pm


So....when was the peak of the videogame era, since you all know so much about it?


Everybody has different opinions but for me it would be the 4th generation through the 6th generation. Basically ranging from the early 90's with the popularity of SNES & Genesis to the mid 00's during the last days of popularity with PS2, XBOX, & Gamecube

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 11:29 pm


1995-2004


Interesting.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 11:33 pm


Everybody has different opinions but for me it would be the 4th generation through the 6th generation. Basically ranging from the early 90's with the popularity of SNES & Genesis to the mid 00's during the last days of popularity with PS2, XBOX, & Gamecube


I remember liking the videogames of the late 80s to the late 90s. I'm definitely NOT an expert in video games.  8)

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Written By: mxcrashxm on 08/17/15 at 11:40 pm


So....when was the peak of the videogame era, since you all know so much about it?
I say from the 3rd generation to the 6th. These 4 eras had not only had fantastic games, but even special bonuses, game guides and replayable values. These generations had a diverse range of games from platformers, puzzle, party, RPG, racing, fighting and more. In addition, the competition for exclusive games and clever slogans were fascinating. Even more, the games were completely finished and didn't need any patches or DLC. Unfortunately, I don't see any of that in today's gaming experience. I wish all of those things were there. It would have made the game industry much better.

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Written By: 80sfan on 08/17/15 at 11:55 pm


I say from the 3rd generation to the 6th. These 4 eras had not only had fantastic games, but even special bonuses, game guides and replayable values. These generations had a diverse range of games from platformers, puzzle, party, RPG, racing, fighting and more. In addition, the competition for exclusive games and clever slogans were fascinating. Even more, the games were completely finished and didn't need any patches or DLC. Unfortunately, I don't see any of that in today's gaming experience. I wish all of those things were there. It would have made the game industry much better.


I see!

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Written By: Howard on 08/18/15 at 6:50 am


Well, I meant that they're played by using discs, while with VHS, they're played by using bulky cassette tapes.


and a VCR.

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Written By: Howard on 08/18/15 at 6:50 am


Yep the gaming industry has been going downhill since the second half of the 7th gen IMO!!!!


I want the 1st generation back.

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Written By: Howard on 08/18/15 at 6:52 am


agreed!! Assassian's Creed went downhill after 3 IMO!!! I'm sooooooo DAMN tired of COD!! GTA is GTA, they've been coming out for years so I really have no complaints about that!!


They should come out with a family friendly GTA in the near future.

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Written By: Howard on 08/18/15 at 6:55 am


I remember liking the videogames of the late 80s to the late 90s. I'm definitely NOT an expert in video games.  8)


My era of video games was the late 80's.

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Written By: mqg96 on 08/18/15 at 7:42 am


1995-2004


Yeah, and when you cutoff it off at 2004 you mean that 2004 was still a great year right? Because that was one of the greatest gaming years ever in the history. Even though XBOX 360, PS3, and Wii debuted in 2005-2006, I still consider those as 6th generation gaming years and there were still some really great titles that came out at the time as well. 2007 was the first full year 7th generation was in full swing to me.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/18/15 at 10:21 am


They should come out with a family friendly GTA in the near future.


;D GTA isn't meant to be family-friendly. It's supposed to be mature with themes of violence. How is it supposed to be family-friendly?

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Written By: Howard on 08/18/15 at 2:27 pm


;D GTA isn't meant to be family-friendly. It's supposed to be mature with themes of violence. How is it supposed to be family-friendly?


I just thought it was a good idea but I know in today's world it won't happen.

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Written By: Baltimoreian on 08/18/15 at 3:06 pm


I just thought it was a good idea but I know in today's world it won't happen.


It would obviously never happen, because GTA involves criminals, and that's not a good thing to bring out for kids. I wouldn't really buy a Grand Theft Auto game for any of my younger relatives, because it's inappropriate for them.

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Written By: Howard on 08/19/15 at 7:41 am


It would obviously never happen, because GTA involves criminals, and that's not a good thing to bring out for kids. I wouldn't really buy a Grand Theft Auto game for any of my younger relatives, because it's inappropriate for them.


The only things I enjoyed about Grand Theft Auto was driving my car with the music turned on and beating up on whores with chasing after them. ;D

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