What happened in Ct is such a tragedy.  What are some of your thoughts on what will happen to culture because of this?
I can def see the right to bear arms law be revoked. This could be huge. I can also see Dance pop completly  fizziling out faster than it was
originally suppose to. People do not want four on the floor anymore. After the shooting and hurricane sandy there
is nothing to party about this year. More indie pop style of music will just completely throw dance pop off course because of this.
I also do see people becoming more compassionate towards others. 2012 has been a year of extreme re evaluations of us as a
society.

So the question is what do you think will happen?

There will never be gun control in the US, well not for a long time at least. There have been many of these shootings in the past 20 years and the percent of people in the US who support gun control has been consistently declining during that period. Unfortunately this country was built on gun violence and our Constitution holds unregulated gun ownership as a holy sacrament.

As far as it having any effect on dance pop, well.  ;D Then again that Kesha song was pulled from the radio.

There will never be gun control in the US, well not for a long time at least. There have been many of these shootings in the past 20 years and the percent of people in the US who support gun control has been consistently declining during that period. Unfortunately this country was built on gun violence and our Constitution holds unregulated gun ownership as a holy sacrament.

As far as it having any effect on dance pop, well.  ;D Then again that Kesha song was pulled from the radio.


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I agree that the CT shooting was a tragedy, but how can an effect of the shooting be "I can also see Dance pop completely  fizziling out faster than it was originally suppose to".  ???

I'd be more than shocked if the "right to bear arms" was revoked.  What I think the US will do is just make it "extremely difficult" for anyone to get a gun more powerful than a basic hand gun and toughen gun control laws. How? I don't know.

I had lunch yesterday with many friends in Mississauga, Ont. Almost all of them expressed a huge fear of going to the US, in fear they were going to get shot and killed. I think that's an over exaggerated response, but maybe there might be less tourists visiting the US in 2013 because of this, don’t know.

I’d still visit the US.

I can also see Dance pop completly  fizziling out faster than it was
originally suppose to


More indie pop style of music will just completely throw dance pop off course because of this.


You just used a tragic murder-suicide as a way to start a discussion on ending dance pop music.  You sir, are one very sad sad individual

You just used a tragic murder-suicide as a way to start a discussion on ending dance pop music.  You sir, are one very sad sad individual


My friends aunt works at the school......................... are you serious

Pop music is going be affected by a tragic event  just like  teen pop died after 9 11
and folk rock came back briefly


The topic is how the effects of the shooting will change culture for 2010s

maybe you misread the name of the thread  when you were auto assuming something

Music has to do with culture



I also mentioned how Gun laws might change because of this. Please read the whole thread before
going on a sad rant.


This is not to be mean or anything but  just dont think someone who posts here isnt friends with someone who was effected directly.
As I stated before its a tragedy. Please do not assume things

I agree that the CT shooting was a tragedy, but how can an effect of the shooting be "I can also see Dance pop completely  fizziling out faster than it was originally suppose to".  ???

I'd be more than shocked if the "right to bear arms" was revoked.  What I think the US will do is just make it "extremely difficult" for anyone to get a gun more powerful than a basic hand gun and toughen gun control laws. How? I don't know.

I had lunch yesterday with many friends in Mississauga, Ont. Almost all of them expressed a huge fear of going to the US, in fear they were going to get shot and killed. I think that's an over exaggerated response, but maybe there might be less tourists visiting the US in 2013 because of this, don’t know.

I’d still visit the US.


obamas already signing something

Pop music is going be affected by a tragic event  just like  teen pop died after 9 11


Events like this have nothing to do with how music will change.  I'm sure it wasn't Adam Lanza's motive to end dance pop music ::)

Events like this have nothing to do with how music will change.  I'm sure it wasn't Adam Lanza's motive to end dance pop music ::)


Pretty sure Nsync and teen pop was big in 2001  , pretty sure after 9/11  music got more serious

Theres a documentary that talks about this    that someone posted on this forum a few months ago

it was like a mtv how will culture change from 911  thing   


Big events do change music

I agree that the CT shooting was a tragedy, but how can an effect of the shooting be "I can also see Dance pop completely  fizziling out faster than it was originally suppose to".  ???

I'd be more than shocked if the "right to bear arms" was revoked.  What I think the US will do is just make it "extremely difficult" for anyone to get a gun more powerful than a basic hand gun and toughen gun control laws. How? I don't know.

I had lunch yesterday with many friends in Mississauga, Ont. Almost all of them expressed a huge fear of going to the US, in fear they were going to get shot and killed. I think that's an over exaggerated response, but maybe there might be less tourists visiting the US in 2013 because of this, don’t know.

I’d still visit the US.


It's not that scary really. I mean, I'd be a little scared of going to the mall but in general I'm not walking around in fear. Life is too short to live in fear.

You just used a tragic murder-suicide as a way to start a discussion on ending dance pop music.  You sir, are one very sad sad individual


There does seem to be a weird what are your priorities thing going on here.

Unfortunately this country was built on gun violence and our Constitution holds unregulated gun ownership as a holy sacrament.



That was one of the main themes discussed at our group lunch on Monday. Strong words.


It's not that scary really.


I know, but I couldn't convince my friends at lunch. One of them is retired & a snowbird (travels to Florida in winter time) and he said he won't go this year. He told me "Everyone has a gun down there and is ready to start shooting at the slightest disagreement". He makes it sound like we're still in the old west.

Events like this have nothing to do with how music will change.  I'm sure it wasn't Adam Lanza's motive to end dance pop music ::)


He was just a sick individual.

It's not that scary really. I mean, I'd be a little scared of going to the mall but in general I'm not walking around in fear. Life is too short to live in fear.


and everything happens for a reason.

That was one of the main themes discussed at our group lunch on Monday. Strong words.

I know, but I couldn't convince my friends at lunch. One of them is retired & a snowbird (travels to Florida in winter time) and he said he won't go this year. He told me "Everyone has a gun down there and is ready to start shooting at the slightest disagreement". He makes it sound like we're still in the old west.


To be honest I've never even seen anyone's gun in public, aside from police officers. I'm sure many people conceal carry and I don't even realize it, but unless you live in a really bad part of town, odds are you'll probably never witness a shootout in the US in your entire life.

Pretty sure Nsync and teen pop was big in 2001  , pretty sure after 9/11  music got more serious

Theres a documentary that talks about this    that someone posted on this forum a few months ago

it was like a mtv how will culture change from 911  thing   


Big events do change music


I think that had more to do with the teenage fans of those bands growing up. 1997-2001 is a span of five years total, which is the shelf life of your typical teen pop act. Music and pop culture started a slight shift before September 2001, but it wasn't very significant.

There does seem to be a weird what are your priorities thing going on here.


my friends aunt works @ sandy hook

I am free to talk about whatever I feel like

It's not that scary really. I mean, I'd be a little scared of going to the mall but in general I'm not walking around in fear. Life is too short to live in fear.


I could def see vacations in the usa going down

I think that had more to do with the teenage fans of those bands growing up. 1997-2001 is a span of five years total, which is the shelf life of your typical teen pop act. Music and pop culture started a slight shift before September 2001, but it wasn't very significant.



There was a slight shift to more folky rock music that took place after this tho.

Does anyone have a link to that video I was talking about?  Or the op of that thread?

There was a slight shift to more folky rock music that took place after this tho.

Does anyone have a link to that video I was talking about?  Or the op of that thread?


I didn't really notice that. Nu metal and post grunge dominated rock from about 1998 to 2005, indie hipster and folk music wasn't really mainstream until 2010.

That was one of the main themes discussed at our group lunch on Monday. Strong words.

I know, but I couldn't convince my friends at lunch. One of them is retired & a snowbird (travels to Florida in winter time) and he said he won't go this year. He told me "Everyone has a gun down there and is ready to start shooting at the slightest disagreement". He makes it sound like we're still in the old west.


Just tell your friends to take their vacations in Juarez, Mexico. After all, Mexico's gun laws are far more restrictive then those in the United States so nothing bad could possibly happen to them down there, right?  ::)

I didn't really notice that. Nu metal and post grunge dominated rock from about 1998 to 2005, indie hipster and folk music wasn't really mainstream until 2010.


Vanessa Carlton and other indie singer songwriter music made a brief comeback

Just tell your friends to take their vacations in Juarez, Mexico. After all, Mexico's gun laws are far more restrictive then those in the United States so nothing bad could possibly happen to them down there, right?  ::)


I'll tell 'em to drop by after they visit Columbia (in South America). No guns or drugs there..

As I said in the same post, I think they are over exaggerating. I'm still comfortable to visit the US...But I do know some who refuse to go there because of past violence.  :-[

The title of the thread is quite misleading, since half the stuff discussed here is current music. Any thoughts to start a new thread or change the title?

What is being discussed here (the dance stuff) could be seen as a lack of respect for those who were killed, familes who were shaken, and a nation in mourning. Esp coz the title says "The effects of the CT Shooting  on culture"

Just sayin...

The title of the thread is quite misleading, since half the stuff discussed here is current music. Any thoughts to start a new thread or change the title?

What is being discussed here (the dance stuff) could be seen as a lack of respect for those who were killed, familes who were shaken, and a nation in mourning. Esp coz the title says "The effects of the CT Shooting  on culture"

Just sayin...


My friends aunt works at school what don't you get? If someone knows people that work in that school what gives you the right to say something like that?

Music is apart of culture. Gun laws are apart of culture.  What is culture? 

Am i not talking about gun laws in this thread? I am covering everything in culture. People are debating is music would be effected  so I am responding to those responses       


This is america I can post about whatever topic I like. 

Vanessa Carlton and other indie singer songwriter music made a brief comeback


I'd hardly call Vanessa and Michelle Branch indie and besides, what makes them different from similar 90s music like Jewel and Sixpence None The Richer? I'd consider them the last hurrah of the 'fempop' that was popular from the mid 90s to mid 00s. The only influence 9/11 had on music was that boot in your ass song and the cheesy Enrique Inglesias song being so popular.  ;D

I'd hardly call Vanessa and Michelle Branch indie and besides, what makes them different from similar 90s music like Jewel and Sixpence None The Richer? I'd consider them the last hurrah of the 'fempop' that was popular from the mid 90s to mid 00s. The only influence 9/11 had on music was that boot in your ass song and the cheesy Enrique Inglesias song being so popular.  ;D



Where is that op      please  link that video ! haha

it explains more in detail

I personally think that this shooting will have almost zero effect on pop culture.  Columbine, for example, was a national tragedy and mass shooting as well.  Did it change the course of pop culture though?  No, that it did not.

Saying you have a friend who's related to someone who works at sandy hook elementary is about as relevant as saying Im not racist because I know someone who's black.

And I'm going to agree with warped, whistled of and Danoot, using the shooting to discuss the potential decline of dance music seems insensitive. 

Saying you have a friend who's related to someone who works at sandy hook elementary is about as relevant as saying Im not racist because I know someone who's black.

And I'm going to agree with warped, whistled of and Danoot, using the shooting to discuss the potential decline of dance music seems insensitive.


He also says he knows Carly Rae Jepsen's management. I'd take it with a whole shaker of salt.

I sure hope this shooting doesn't have any effect on the NFL playoffs.  ::) ::) ::)

This thread is major fail. :P

This thread is major fail. :P


Agreed.

This thread is major fail. :P


Agreed.

Saying you have a friend who's related to someone who works at sandy hook elementary is about as relevant as saying Im not racist because I know someone who's black.

And I'm going to agree with warped, whistled of and Danoot, using the shooting to discuss the potential decline of dance music seems insensitive.


but im not the one discussing it      i mentioned one thing about it

You are the ones who keep  on running and running with it in this thread           

Hypocritical don't you think?

Therefore you are the ones who are talking about it







anyways


Do you think there are going to be more police force in areas there won't normally be?

He also says he knows Carly Rae Jepsen's management. I'd take it with a whole shaker of salt.



I worked at Interscope from 2007-2009

listen to my podcast i did  inthe00s with a shaker of salt :D

Agreed.


I rather have a thread that is a fail  then not post any topics at all and let this board die

I rather have a thread that is a fail  then not post any topics at all and let this board die


You give yourself too much credit.

You give yourself too much credit.


Well i do post alot of topics  ;)

This is america I can post about whatever topic I like. 



America does not own this message board, Chucky does.  If he doesn't like it you can't post it.  This board is not America.  And, in case you missed it, there are more than American's here as well.  Warped is not in America.

Add my name to the list of thinking it is insensitive, I don't care who you know that works at the school.

America does not own this message board, Chucky does.  If he doesn't like it you can't post it.  This board is not America.  And, in case you missed it, there are more than American's here as well.  Warped is not in America.

Add my name to the list of thinking it is insensitive, I don't care who you know that works at the school.


I asked what did you think of the gun laws a few replys up
What does this have to do with gun laws?


Youre doing it to yourselvs  :o

my friends aunt works @ sandy hook

I am free to talk about whatever I feel like


Go right ahead.

Go right ahead.


Thank u howard

So as I was saying

do u think gun laws are going to make more cops appear in public areas?

My friends aunt works at school what don't you get? If someone knows people that work in that school what gives you the right to say something like that?

Music is apart of culture. Gun laws are apart of culture.  What is culture? 

Am i not talking about gun laws in this thread? I am covering everything in culture. People are debating is music would be effected  so I am responding to those responses       


This is america I can post about whatever topic I like.


Your topics are quite interesting.

I personally think that this shooting will have almost zero effect on pop culture.  Columbine, for example, was a national tragedy and mass shooting as well.  Did it change the course of pop culture though?  No, that it did not.


But what about the violent shooting games? ???

but im not the one discussing it      i mentioned one thing about it

You are the ones who keep  on running and running with it in this thread           

Hypocritical don't you think?

Therefore you are the ones who are talking about it







anyways


Do you think there are going to be more police force in areas there won't normally be?



hopefully in New York.

Thank u howard

So as I was saying

do u think gun laws are going to make more cops appear in public areas?


I'm not sure maybe if we speak up more.

I'm not sure maybe if we speak up more.


I hope it duznt get 2 crazy

like police in public bathrooms

This thread is major fail. :P


No doubt

No doubt


So what are your thoughts on those gun laws warped?

But what about the violent shooting games? ???


It had zero effect on those though.  Two years after Columbine, Grand Theft Auto III came out, significantly upping the controversy factor, and became a phenomenon.  Not to mention that around that same time period, games like Halo (also 2001) helped push the popularity of shooting games to record high levels of popularity.  The genre was on the ascendancy with regards to popularity through basically the entirety of the 00s.  Columbine definitely had some short-term effect, but in the long-term, it had zero effect on shooting games.

Your topics are quite interesting.


I think you may be the only other person who thinks so Howard.

It had zero effect on those though.  Two years after Columbine, Grand Theft Auto III came out, significantly upping the controversy factor, and became a phenomenon.  Not to mention that around that same time period, games like Halo (also 2001) helped push the popularity of shooting games to record high levels of popularity.  The genre was on the ascendancy with regards to popularity through basically the entirety of the 00s.  Columbine definitely had some short-term effect, but in the long-term, it had zero effect on shooting games.


And that's a good thing. I don't care how many hours he logged playing modern warfare. Dude didn't  shoot up the school cuz he liked violent video games. He did it because his synapses didn't fire correctly....end he liked violent video games!  I like violent video games too but I haven't killed anyone....yet.

I think you may be the only other person who thinks so Howard.



350 views cant be wrong

And that's a good thing. I don't care how many hours he logged playing modern warfare. Dude didn't  shoot up the school cuz he liked violent video games. He did it because his synapses didn't fire correctly....end he liked violent video games!  I like violent video games too but I haven't killed anyone....yet.


does anyone knw the story of this dude tho,    i havent read what he was on

Wouldn't people want MORE dance music for escapism from the bad events?