Back in the 60s and 70s, you could wear anything you wanted, believe whatever you wanted, pretty much do whatever you wanted short of crime and people didn't judge you by it as long as you weren't hurting others. It was a very free period of time, it seems. Individuality and being whoever you were seemed to be the law of the land in pop culture. You had preppy people, older people, Hippies, Punks, Disco kids, 50s nostalgia addicts, people still wearing 1930s style clothes existing all together. I mean check out all manners of crazy clothes and whatnot worn in the 60s and 70s...People seemed to more comfortable than ever with just being themselves and letting their 'freak flag' fly...And they weren't branded as creepy or deviant for it.

But today it seems like there's clear boundaries in terms of at least fashion, largely led by Hipsters it seems, who brand any different manner of dress as being "creepy" or "rapisty". I mean look up videos like "Pedophile beards" or "Rapist glasses." It just seems that being DIFFERENT doesn't simply mean being different or even being odd or strange today, no, it means being DEVIANT. It just seems like the rampant sort of "Everyone must be like everyone else" mentality of the 1950s has come back with a vengeance.

I'm not a fashion expert by any means, but I think you might be onto something. :)

I think the late 60s and 70s were so outlandish and diverse for two reasons. Partially as a reaction against the strict and Conservative 50s (and before then too obviously), and just because nobody had ever done anything like that before.

I've heard people saying garbage like that about certain kinds of beards and such too. I think its just because these times are very paranoid about things, including pedophiles. Just like anything else, there's certain things which justify the fears, but it has a tendency to go way too far too. Judging someone on their looks and not their actions seems to be devolving instead!

"Rapisty" ? ???

I had to look that one up.  ;D

Yeah, but you see what I mean hopefully.

These are economically bad and insecure times. Play it save, and there's most chance you will survive.  :)

Back in the 60s and 70s, you could wear anything you wanted, believe whatever you wanted, pretty much do whatever you wanted short of crime and people didn't judge you by it as long as you weren't hurting others. It was a very free period of time, it seems. Individuality and being whoever you were seemed to be the law of the land in pop culture. You had preppy people, older people, Hippies, Punks, Disco kids, 50s nostalgia addicts, people still wearing 1930s style clothes existing all together. I mean check out all manners of crazy clothes and whatnot worn in the 60s and 70s...People seemed to more comfortable than ever with just being themselves and letting their 'freak flag' fly...And they weren't branded as creepy or deviant for it.



You obviously didn't live through the sixties.  I can remember guys with long hair getting beat up, beat up badly, for have long hair. There were styles that defined you, just as there are styles that define people today.  I don't see much difference today.

I didn't live through the 60's, but I see it being a rather constricting time in terms of expressing one's individuality.  The hippie movement was on the fringe - most people did NOT dress that way - those that did just got all the attention. 

My sister talks about how she had to wear a dress to school every day - girls were not allowed to wear pants.  That doesn't seem very individualistic to me. 

I didn't live through the 60's, but I see it being a rather constricting time in terms of expressing one's individuality.  The hippie movement was on the fringe - most people did NOT dress that way - those that did just got all the attention. 

My sister talks about how she had to wear a dress to school every day - girls were not allowed to wear pants.  That doesn't seem very individualistic to me.



I remember always having to wear a dress to school for 1st & 2nd grade, but I went to a private school. It wasn't until 3rd grade when I went to a public school that I realized that all schools didn't have that dress code-and I wore pants A LOT-especially when I had to walk 10 miles to school up hill BOTH WAYS in 6 feet of snow!  ;) :D ;D ;D ;D 


Yeah, I exaggerated just a bit.  ;)  But I did had to walk a bit more an a mile each way from 3rd-5th when my legs were REALLY short-that is NOT an exaggerated.

Ok, went off on a tangent. So sue me.


Cat

In the 60's in school boys wore dress slacks, white or light colored button down shirts, and from October to May they had to wear ties.  Girls wore dark skirts no shorter than the knee, socks or stockings, light colored shirts, nothing loud or with a big patterns, no high heels, no makeup until senior year when light lip stick was aloud.  The same when going to work, accept you could wear a bit more makeup and heels.  Until the early 70s black girls had to straighten their hair or they could not attend school, the smallest afro was not allowed, it had to be straightened.

In the 60's in school boys wore dress slacks, white or light colored button down shirts, and from October to May they had to wear ties.  Girls wore dark skirts no shorter than the knee, socks or stockings, light colored shirts, nothing loud or with a big patterns, no high heels, no makeup until senior year when light lip stick was aloud.  The same when going to work, accept you could wear a bit more makeup and heels.  Until the early 70s black girls had to straighten their hair or they could not attend school, the smallest afro was not allowed, it had to be straightened.


Black girls had to straighten their hair?  What the HELL is that about?  It makes no logical sense whatsoever!  >:(

You obviously didn't live through the sixties.  I can remember guys with long hair getting beat up, beat up badly, for have long hair. There were styles that defined you, just as there are styles that define people today.  I don't see much difference today.


I knew guys who were in the original punk scene in Lincoln, NE in the late 70's/early 80's who got beat up and called "f*gg*ts" by jocks and rednecks, and who constantly got harassed by the police.

Black girls had to straighten their hair?  What the HELL is that about?  It makes no logical sense whatsoever!  >:(



No sense at all, but true.  If you didn't straighten your hair you were suspended until you did. The short(almost, almost bald) afro wasn't even allowed, you had to grow it, and straighten it.  That was the way it was everywhere.  One of the reasons for the big afro was to say a big, in the face, F-U.

Black girls had to straighten their hair?  What the HELL is that about?  It makes no logical sense whatsoever!  >:(


black girls back then had the afros.

black girls back then had the afros.


Only after getting out of high school and into college where they were much more lenient.  Though you may not have gotten a job.

Only after getting out of high school and into college where they were much more lenient.  Though you may not have gotten a job.


I remember when they were discriminated against.

I remember when they were discriminated against.


Howard, discrimination still happens.

Actually, based on pictures from the actual 60s, dress and wear for most people were pretty conservative in my opinion.
The early 60s style was very 'Jackie O' for women, the mid and late 60s, there were more flowers and color in the women's dresses, but other than that, dress for both men and women were very conservative for most of the 60s. Short skirts? Yeah, but nothing compared to how short they are today. Then you also had the whole 'cleopatra' eyes thing (started 1963?) that girls/women did with their mascara in the 60s and early 70s, but that's definitely not too over-the-top like the hippie girl look.

I think the only people who really dressed like hippies were hippies and some people who wanted to rebel, but most were pretty 'proper'. I think by '68 or '69, was when 'normal everyday people' started to dress funky like in the pictures you see from the 60s. And the 70s was the true 'long hair, tie-dye, funk' decade for fashion for everyday people.

Then we have the 80s, which was just as funky!!

I can only guess because I didn't live during the time, but this is my limited point of view of the 60s-80s fashion.

I think the only people who really dressed like hippies were hippies and some people who wanted to rebel, but most were pretty 'proper'. I think by '68 or '69, was when 'normal everyday people' started to dress funky like in the pictures you see from the 60s. And the 70s was the true 'long hair, tie-dye, funk' decade for fashion for everyday people.

It was the era of long hair just like Yoko Ono and John Lennon, It was the era of just letting your hair grow long, peace and love.

It was the era of long hair just like Yoko Ono and John Lennon, It was the era of just letting your hair grow long, peace and love.



The era of peace and love and the Vietnam War.


Cat

The point is, I'm sure the mass culture didn't view people as being a "pedophile" or a "rapist" or a "child molester" if they wore a beard or if they wore a certain style of glasses.

The point is, I'm sure the mass culture didn't view people as being a "pedophile" or a "rapist" or a "child molester" if they wore a beard or if they wore a certain style of glasses.


Is that really true?  ??? Plenty of people wear beards today and aren't seen as pedophiles.

The point is, I'm sure the mass culture didn't view people as being a "pedophile" or a "rapist" or a "child molester" if they wore a beard or if they wore a certain style of glasses.


I have no idea what a pedophile beard or rapist glasses look like, so it can't be a mass culture thing. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRpGpIJrLtY

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pedophile%20Beard

"When a man has an extremely unclean beard. Not as messy as a homeless beard. The beard is usually sported by pedophiles or really messy college students.
Girl #1: OMG! Do you see that guy on the bench? He totally looks like he wants to rape me.

Girl #2: Yeah you're probably right. He has a pedophile beard and rapist glasses. Let's get out of here.

Girl #1: Wait isn't that the dude from our French class?

Girl #2: Yeah, hes probably there to pick up little girls."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pedophile%20mustache

'pedophile mustache 39 up, 24 down
The thick, bushy mustache usually found on most pedophiles. They usually have no other facial hair and a "bowl cut" style hair cut that is found on most young boys.
"Wow, look at that guys pedophile mustache , I guarantee he enjoys raping lil' boyz in the butthole."

The point is, I'm sure the mass culture didn't view people as being a "pedophile" or a "rapist" or a "child molester" if they wore a beard or if they wore a certain style of glasses.


What does this have to do with "individualism?"  ???

Ohhhhhhhh k. 


You know those are jokes, right?

There isn't actually any scientific evidence stating that pedophiles or rapists tend to grow particular facial hair patterns.

Is that really true?  ??? Plenty of people wear beards today and aren't seen as pedophiles.


you can't really say that, some guys with beards are/could be pedophiles, beard or no beard.

I DON'T THINK SO BUT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES!
:D

You're pretty much wrong. Individualism is blossoming more and more now since the internet and the fact that people can pull any influence that they want up in a sec. No one is doing one thing, or cultures aren't being put off into these little compartmentalized groups and crews of punk, hip-hop, metal, goth etc. I see people in the same crews dressing way different than any of their friends now. This is why the 00s and the 10s(so far) are not producing any coherent subcultures, as individualism is up and people aren't putting themselves into groups anymore.  Even the wikipedia article about the 2010s has pointed this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s#Society_and_Trends. "Individuality and uniqueness continues to be increasingly valued as opposed to conformism. A well noted example of this are baby names, which have become far more individualized since the 1960s, but especially since the 1990s and the introduction of the Internet." There's a lot of people who will also tell you that subculture is just ironic conformatism.

You're pretty much wrong. Individualism is blossoming more and more now since the internet and the fact that people can pull any influence that they want up in a sec. No one is doing one thing, or cultures aren't being put off into these little compartmentalized groups and crews of punk, hip-hop, metal, goth etc. I see people in the same crews dressing way different than any of their friends now. This is why the 00s and the 10s(so far) are not producing any coherent subcultures, as individualism is up and people aren't putting themselves into groups anymore.  Even the wikipedia article about the 2010s has pointed this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s#Society_and_Trends. "Individuality and uniqueness continues to be increasingly valued as opposed to conformism. A well noted example of this are baby names, which have become far more individualized since the 1960s, but especially since the 1990s and the introduction of the Internet." There's a lot of people who will also tell you that subculture is just ironic conformatism.



Interesting analysis.



Cat

You're pretty much wrong. Individualism is blossoming more and more now since the internet and the fact that people can pull any influence that they want up in a sec. No one is doing one thing, or cultures aren't being put off into these little compartmentalized groups and crews of punk, hip-hop, metal, goth etc. I see people in the same crews dressing way different than any of their friends now. This is why the 00s and the 10s(so far) are not producing any coherent subcultures, as individualism is up and people aren't putting themselves into groups anymore.  Even the wikipedia article about the 2010s has pointed this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s#Society_and_Trends. "Individuality and uniqueness continues to be increasingly valued as opposed to conformism. A well noted example of this are baby names, which have become far more individualized since the 1960s, but especially since the 1990s and the introduction of the Internet." There's a lot of people who will also tell you that subculture is just ironic conformatism.


I'd karma you for that if I could.

Individualism died in the early 2000s.  It was much more of a GenX thing than a millennial thing. 

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