I was watching The Millionaire Matchmaker on Bravo and it just dawned to me: This show is just a left over of the 00's culture. Most people that I know are struggling their asses off!

Is it just me, or as we head over to the 2012 year, that this high lifestyle doesn't fit well in this decade???

2010s are very similiar to the materialistic 80s.
While the 00s were a continuation of the idealistic hippie 90s.

I'm not much of following the news or anything, but here goes. They (the media) says that the unemployment rate is only 8%, but I heard somewhere that the REAL unemployment rate is actually 23-25%.

I think as the recession goes on and may deepen, the whole materialistic 00s culture may lessen.

I'm not much of following the news or anything. They (the media) says that the unemployment rate is only 8%, but I heard somewhere that the REAL unemployment rate is actually 23-25%.

I think as the recession goes on and may deepen, the whole materialistic 00s culture may lessen.




The unemployment rate actually dropped(from that fake 9% to 8.6%) because more people just straight up dropped out the workforce, but the mainstream media are putting their very dishonest spin on this.
And you are right that the recession will go on and on, in the future the early/mid '00s might be seen as the good ol days. ;D

in the future the early/mid '00s might be seen as the good ol days. ;D

They already are "the good old days". I really miss that great time.  :\'(

They already are "the good old days". I really miss that great time.  :\'(


But that was about a decade ago.

2010s are very similiar to the materialistic 80s.
While the 00s were a continuation of the idealistic hippie 90s.


Eh?

But at the risk of youknowhatology, I'd say the politics of the 2000s more like the politics of the 1950s, invoking a McCarthyism 2.0, and if #OWS sets the stage for the 2010s, the hippies have just gotten started.  Economically, I see the 2010s as being another decade of 70s-style stagflation.  Ugh.

For what it's worth, I hope you're right.  The 80s were awesome.  Cocaine and hookers for the cool people.  Video games and computers for the nerdy people.  And an ever-increasing stock market to fuel it all into an orgy of excess.  If I live to see another decade like that in my lifetime, I'll be very grateful.

But whatever scientific revolutions are required to enable nanotech, biotech, life extension, and the exploitation of offworld sources of energy and materials, have yet to take place.  So it's not how I'm going to bet.  I was alive at the peak of Western Civilization (specifically North America, ca. 1999), and that's going to have to be good enough.

Well the 00s bling rap is already very very dated.

The 00s's "bigger is better" vibe (SUVs, mcmansions) also went straight out the window when The Great Recession hit.

I think its actually now cool to act poor (ahem hipster culture).

Eh?

But at the risk of youknowhatology, I'd say the politics of the 2000s more like the politics of the 1950s, invoking a McCarthyism 2.0, and if #OWS sets the stage for the 2010s, the hippies have just gotten started.  Economically, I see the 2010s as being another decade of 70s-style stagflation.  Ugh.

For what it's worth, I hope you're right.  The 80s were awesome.  Cocaine and hookers for the cool people.  Video games and computers for the nerdy people.  And an ever-increasing stock market to fuel it all into an orgy of excess.  If I live to see another decade like that in my lifetime, I'll be very grateful.

But whatever scientific revolutions are required to enable nanotech, biotech, life extension, and the exploitation of offworld sources of energy and materials, have yet to take place.  So it's not how I'm going to bet.  I was alive at the peak of Western Civilization (specifically North America, ca. 1999), and that's going to have to be good enough.


If'n you ain't the grandaddy of all cynics.

Here is the true legacy of your vaunted eighties:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPrDTI21RM

Yeah, we beat Hitler and waited out the Soviet Union only to get suckered by that smug little sonofabitch Milton Friedman.  Investment bankers yay!  Workers boo!

George Jetson my ass.  This is what the future looks like!

When reading the topic title, I was only thinking 'it's even becoming worse'.  :-\\

Despite the current recession, I can't imagine more materialistic things than that whole smartphone/iPad/etcetera hype from the last couple of years.  ::)

If'n you ain't the grandaddy of all cynics.

Here is the true legacy of your vaunted eighties:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPrDTI21RM


For the win :)

I'd think the Beach Boys as more a phenomenon of the 60s/70s.  I mean, wouldn't it be nice if they'd just tacked it up, tacked it up, tacked it up, and/or shut themselves down, but since you went there, for the 50th anniversary, there's going to be a Beach Boys 2012 tour, announced on Reuters earlier today.  And it's all your fault for making me look.

3Px6KX75jM8

Help me, Jesus and Mary Chain, help me get it outa my head.  :)

And you are right that the recession will go on and on, in the future the early/mid '00s might be seen as the good ol days. ;D

That's a scary thought but its true. I already miss the mid 00's. Not so much the early 00's though. It seems like it just keeps getting worse as we get older, and our lives become more complex.

For the win :)

I'd think the Beach Boys as more a phenomenon of the 60s/70s.  I mean, wouldn't it be nice if they'd just tacked it up, tacked it up, tacked it up, and/or shut themselves down, but since you went there, for the 50th anniversary, there's going to be a Beach Boys 2012 tour, announced on Reuters earlier today.  And it's all your fault for making me look.

3Px6KX75jM8

Help me, Jesus and Mary Chain, help me get it outa my head.  :)


Very good, but I prefer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJxq9Mbm3uE

Betta fo' yo azz!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/icon_thumright.gif

That's a scary thought but its true. I already miss the mid 00's. Not so much the early 00's though. It seems like it just keeps getting worse as we get older, and our lives become more complex.


I don't miss the 00's.

If'n you ain't the grandaddy of all cynics.

Here is the true legacy of your vaunted eighties:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sPrDTI21RM

Yeah, we beat Hitler and waited out the Soviet Union only to get suckered by that smug little sonofabitch Milton Friedman.  Investment bankers yay!  Workers boo!

George Jetson my ass.  This is what the future looks like!
what are you griping about, commie? check out 1:08, there's totally sales going on! capitalism's working just fine, ya whiners!

For the win :)

I'd think the Beach Boys as more a phenomenon of the 60s/70s.  I mean, wouldn't it be nice if they'd just tacked it up, tacked it up, tacked it up, and/or shut themselves down, but since you went there, for the 50th anniversary, there's going to be a Beach Boys 2012 tour, announced on Reuters earlier today.  And it's all your fault for making me look.

3Px6KX75jM8

Help me, Jesus and Mary Chain, help me get it outa my head.  :)
although i live like five miles from the white house, the one presidential inauguration i ever attended was (ready for a shock?) the 1989 bush inauguration. you know who played it? ready for another shock? the Beach Boys.

what are you griping about, commie? check out 1:08, there's totally sales going on! capitalism's working just fine, ya whiners!


Don't try to make me feel guilty!  I'll see that with Oingo Boingo, live in 1983!

FlyTw0MdZ3M

And I'll raise it with the same track, but with better audio and 2010s-era imagery:

i2-yRBGfuGU

Oingo Boingo, Capitalism, aka Middle-Class Socialist Brat.

The unemployment rate actually dropped(from that fake 9% to 8.6%) because more people just straight up dropped out the workforce, but the mainstream media are putting their very dishonest spin on this.
And you are right that the recession will go on and on, in the future the early/mid '00s might be seen as the good ol days. ;D


I think the recession will end in 2020.

Just as with every recent decade, the second year of the decade is when the new "identity" of the decade begins to emerge (see: 2001, 1991, 1981).  2011 has been one hell of a year when it comes to erasing elements of the 00s.  Everything from the mass uprisings and revolutions around the world to the end of the Iraq War (officially ended this month) and even something such as the death of Steve Jobs have all come together to erase various 00s elements.  Certainly not all elements of the 00s have been erased, but the decade seems to be fading quite quickly.

I remember last year a lot of people were of the opinion that "00s culture" ended and "2010s culture" began in 2008.  I don't think very many would share that opinion today.

I think the recession will end in 2020.


Let's hope so.

Just as with every recent decade, the second year of the decade is when the new "identity" of the decade begins to emerge (see: 2001, 1991, 1981).  2011 has been one hell of a year when it comes to erasing elements of the 00s.  Everything from the mass uprisings and revolutions around the world to the end of the Iraq War (officially ended this month) and even something such as the death of Steve Jobs have all come together to erase various 00s elements.  Certainly not all elements of the 00s have been erased, but the decade seems to be fading quite quickly.

I remember last year a lot of people were of the opinion that "00s culture" ended and "2010s culture" began in 2008.  I don't think very many would share that opinion today.

And the death of the 00s icon Osama.
The first signs of the 2010s started in 2008 and now we are stepping fully into the culture of the new decade.

Just as with every recent decade, the second year of the decade is when the new "identity" of the decade begins to emerge (see: 2001, 1991, 1981).  2011 has been one hell of a year when it comes to erasing elements of the 00s.  Everything from the mass uprisings and revolutions around the world to the end of the Iraq War (officially ended this month) and even something such as the death of Steve Jobs have all come together to erase various 00s elements.  Certainly not all elements of the 00s have been erased, but the decade seems to be fading quite quickly.

I remember last year a lot of people were of the opinion that "00s culture" ended and "2010s culture" began in 2008.  I don't think very many would share that opinion today.


It's weird how nature usually takes its course huh?

1991- Grunge explosion, Gulf War, Soviet Union falls on December 1991.
2001- 9/11, Bush is president, small recession in 2001.
2011-OWS movement, death of Osama, Kim Jong Il, Protests in Middleeast, etc, etc.

Let's hope so.


Maybe it'll even be better by 2015?

Let's hope so.
What? You want 9 more years of recession?

The recession ended a while ago. Problem is, the economy still sucks anyway.

Maybe it'll even be better by 2015?


They need to create new jobs.

What? You want 9 more years of recession?


I'm just saying it might get better, thery also need to create new jobs too.

The concept that "the recession has ended" is a bunch of nonsense.

Yes, the technical definition of the end of a recession is that th economy stops shrinking.  But to point to the technical end of a recession as some sort of success is disingenuous.  Until things return to the pre-recession state, the economy has not recovered.

although i live like five miles from the white house, the one presidential inauguration i ever attended was (ready for a shock?) the 1989 bush inauguration. you know who played it? ready for another shock? the Beach Boys.


James Watt tried to ban the Beach Boys from the White House 4th of July bash in 1983...you know, because they play the devil's music and their fans are a bunch of degenerates.  But the Gipper vetoed Watt and invited the Beach Boys anyway!
8)


The concept that "the recession has ended" is a bunch of nonsense.

Yes, the technical definition of the end of a recession is that th economy stops shrinking.  But to point to the technical end of a recession as some sort of success is disingenuous.  Until things return to the pre-recession state, the economy has not recovered.


Who says the bosses give a crap about the American economy?  Anybody tied down to the nation state is rinky-dinky small potatoes!
::)

Don't try to make me feel guilty!  I'll see that with Oingo Boingo, live in 1983!

FlyTw0MdZ3M

And I'll raise it with the same track, but with better audio and 2010s-era imagery:

i2-yRBGfuGU

Oingo Boingo, Capitalism, aka Middle-Class Socialist Brat.


Danny was a right place, right time kinda guy.

Elfman amassed a hundred million dollar fortune churning out bogus Hollywood movie scores for other people to notate while REAL composers teach school and compete dog-eat-dog for piddly grants!

“Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public.”

--P.T. Barnum


Capital, it fails us now,
Comrades, let us seize the time.

--Gang of Four

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgJeTwZjZF0


food coming up another four miles
COFFEE FRIES AND A

CHEESEBURGER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9RVNqKOUs

Just as with every recent decade, the second year of the decade is when the new "identity" of the decade begins to emerge (see: 2001, 1991, 1981).  2011 has been one hell of a year when it comes to erasing elements of the 00s.  Everything from the mass uprisings and revolutions around the world to the end of the Iraq War (officially ended this month) and even something such as the death of Steve Jobs have all come together to erase various 00s elements.  Certainly not all elements of the 00s have been erased, but the decade seems to be fading quite quickly.

I remember last year a lot of people were of the opinion that "00s culture" ended and "2010s culture" began in 2008.  I don't think very many would share that opinion today.


It's not only weird that the defining events of the recent few decades happen in their second year(1), it's that they happened around august/september of the 1 year. On august 1, 1981 MTV launched, in september 1991 Nirvana released Smells Like Teen Spirit, on september 11, 2001, 911 happened, and in september 2011 OWS started in New York, spreading across the globe in just 3 short months.

So basically, Nirvana and MTV were like terrorist attacks on America?

Actually, that kinda makes sense.

It's not only weird that the defining events of the recent few decades happen in their second year(1), it's that they happened around august/september of the 1 year. On august 1, 1981 MTV launched, in september 1991 Nirvana released Smells Like Teen Spirit, on september 11, 2001, 911 happened, and in september 2011 OWS started in New York, spreading across the globe in just 3 short months.


Wow that's very interesting so we have 1981, 1991,2001, 2011 and who knows what 2021 will bring.

2011 was a pretty bad year for dictators and terrorists. Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Kim Jong-il dead, Mubarak removed from power.

2011 was a pretty bad year for dictators and terrorists. Bin Laden, Gaddafi, Kim Jong-il dead, Mubarak removed from power.


I know this was a pretty interesting year.

So basically, Nirvana and MTV were like terrorist attacks on America?

Actually, that kinda makes sense.


No, MTV started becoming terrorist attacks around the late '90s but you sure are right about Nirvana.

No, MTV started becoming terrorist attacks around the late '90s but you sure are right about Nirvana.

I suppose you don't like Nirvana. ;D

No, MTV started becoming terrorist attacks around the late '90s but you sure are right about Nirvana.


Yeah MTV started terrorizing our music videos.

Howard, I think you've kicked your surrealism up a notch, which i didn't believe was possible.

Howard, I think you've kicked your surrealism up a notch, which i didn't believe was possible.


Thank You.

Thank You.
You're a good man.

James Watt tried to ban the Beach Boys from the White House 4th of July bash in 1983...you know, because they play the devil's music and their fans are a bunch of degenerates.  But the Gipper vetoed Watt and invited the Beach Boys anyway! 8)


Sorta like the "scandal" involved when Clinton I had Fleetwood Mac at the inauguration.

Dateline 2032: Riding into the polls after a surprise landslide victory (and a campaign theme by retro sensation Rebecca Black), President-elect Smart invites dubstep master Skrillex to drop phashionably-fat bass at his inaugural celebration.  Watching the celebrations in bewilderment, the last remaining Boomers, now removed from their position of demographic dominance, stare slackjawed at ancient rectangular LED screens (they never got into wearing) while their Gen-FUBAR grandchildren twitch a couple of facial muscles and share an Epiphany.


Who says the bosses give a crap about the American economy?  Anybody tied down to the nation state is rinky-dinky small potatoes! ::)


As long as I'm on a near-future hard SF kick tonight, what happens when someone realizes that most of what's done by middle management could also be done by a robot?  Why, it'll be just like Manna from heaven!

As long as I'm on a near-future hard SF kick tonight, what happens when someone realizes that most of what's done by middle management could also be done by a robot?  Why, it'll be just like Manna from heaven!


The career ladder is a life suited for an ant, not a man.

It's like the douchebag at unemployment once told me, "Ya gotta show 'em you really want a job."

"Weeeelll," I thinks to meself, "I can't say as I really want a job, and what I'd like to show 'em'd get me arrested!"
:-\\

"Weeeelll," I thinks to meself, "I can't say as I really want a job, and what I'd like to show 'em'd get me arrested!"
:-\\


Wait, you mean the longer I fail to show 'em I'm willing to jump through their hoops, the longer they give me money for slacking off?

Hup, hup!  Hup, two, three, four!

XdfNh6P_A3g

You don't have to have integrity,
You don't have to have ability, yeah!
So listen kiddies, it's true what they say,
You don't need respectability!

 - Pop Will Eat Itself, Hit the Hi-Tech Groove, from Go Box Frenzy, 1987, reminding me that I've been doing it wrong for at least 25 years.  The punchline is that this was one of my anthems back in college.  Still is today.  I just can't live up to it, but "Bob"dammit, I'm trying! :)


The career ladder is a life suited for an ant, not a man.


Once again...


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.


...you're Preaching to the Perverted.  Dude, nobody wants a job.  We all want to build or own robots that can do our jobs, let it do the work, and let us get paid for doing our hobbies.

We all want to build or own robots that can do our jobs, let it do the work, and let us get paid for doing our hobbies.

I wish that could happen or at least give me some help over at Pathmark pushing carts on busy days.

Wait, you mean the longer I fail to show 'em I'm willing to jump through their hoops, the longer they give me money for slacking off?

Hup, hup!  Hup, two, three, four!

XdfNh6P_A3g

You don't have to have integrity,
You don't have to have ability, yeah!
So listen kiddies, it's true what they say,
You don't need respectability!

 - Pop Will Eat Itself, Hit the Hi-Tech Groove, from Go Box Frenzy, 1987, reminding me that I've been doing it wrong for at least 25 years.  The punchline is that this was one of my anthems back in college.  Still is today.  I just can't live up to it, but "Bob"dammit, I'm trying! :)

Once again...

...you're Preaching to the Perverted.  Dude, nobody wants a job.  We all want to build or own robots that can do our jobs, let it do the work, and let us get paid for doing our hobbies.


It's not that I don't want to grovel to the boss...it's just that...I can't.  I can't even fake it, 'cos they know it's fake.
:-\\

When I took the road less traveled, it was seeded with landmines!