http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagn8Wrmzuc&feature=player_embedded

This style of music is really starting to become tired, which says something being that it was just becoming popular in very late 2008.  This song would have been awesome if released in 2009.  Now, not so much, sounds too much like every other song on Top 40, nothing new or fresh about it.  Gaga should go Madonna and completely re-invent her style of music with her next album.  If you keep track of Madonna from the 1980s to 2009, she was always on the cutting edge.  Gaga needs to follow suit and she will remain relevant.

Ok, so I'm reaching here, but "Judas" not only rips off part of the chorus of "Better the Devil You Know" by Kylie Minogue, but she steals choreography from Bananarama and "I Want You Back."  The hussy!

This style of music is really starting to become tired, which says something being that it was just becoming popular in very late 2008.  This song would have been awesome if released in 2009.  Now, not so much, sounds too much like every other song on Top 40, nothing new or fresh about it.  Gaga should go Madonna and completely re-invent her style of music with her next album.  If you keep track of Madonna from the 1980s to 2009, she was always on the cutting edge.  Gaga needs to follow suit and she will remain relevant.


Comparing Madonna's ever changing 20+ year career to GaGa's 3 years? Seriously? Of course Madonna changed her sound to stay up to date throughout those years. When GaGa came out, like you said, the electropop thing was just getting popular, and it still is to this date. How is she going to reinvent her sound? Make an indie rock or techno album? ::)  and, going off topic, have you looked at the Top 40 lately? This song sounds nothing like any of the songs on it. Looking at the top 10, this song is in NO WAY "E.T.", "Rolling in The Deep", "Till The World Ends", "Just Can't Get Enough", "The Lazy Song", "S&M", "On The Floor", "Blow", "Down on Me", or "Look At Me Now". I'm sorry I'm just so sick of people bashing her and specifically people on this forum saying music today sounds a like. To be honest A LOT of music in the 70s, 80s, and 90s all sounded alike. Compare all those songs, or any of the songs off the Top 40, and they sound NOTHING like "Judas" just like NOTHING sounded like "Born This Way". To the other reply, it doesn't sound anything like Kylie's song lyrically or the music, and everybody has to rip off something from somebody nowadays don't they?

Let's see if the addition of this video makes this song more successful on the charts.  It's easily her least successful song so far: it's already fallen to #20 on the Hot 100 with a peak of #10 three weeks ago.  By way of comparison, "Born This Way" got #1 right away without even needing a video.

For what it's worth, I actually think Lady Gaga isn't that bad.

Too much of the same old thing!

That song sounds has a 90's dance sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagn8Wrmzuc&feature=player_embedded


I don't like it,My ears hurt after the first minute.

This style of music is really starting to become tired, which says something being that it was just becoming popular in very late 2008.  This song would have been awesome if released in 2009.  Now, not so much, sounds too much like every other song on Top 40, nothing new or fresh about it.  Gaga should go Madonna and completely re-invent her style of music with her next album.  If you keep track of Madonna from the 1980s to 2009, she was always on the cutting edge.  Gaga needs to follow suit and she will remain relevant.


Today the music industry takes one style and runs it into the ground.

C. Looking at the top 10, this song is in NO WAY "E.T.", "Rolling in The Deep", "Till The World Ends", "Just Can't Get Enough", "The Lazy Song", "S&M", "On The Floor", "Blow", "Down on Me", or "Look At Me Now". I'm sorry I'm just so sick of people bashing her and specifically people on this forum saying music today sounds a like. To be honest A LOT of music in the 70s, 80s, and 90s all sounded alike. Compare all those songs, or any of the songs off the Top 40, and they sound NOTHING like "Judas" just like NOTHING sounded like "Born This Way". To the other reply, it doesn't sound anything like Kylie's song lyrically or the music, and everybody has to rip off something from somebody nowadays don't they?


It all sounds alike to me.

in the 70s, 80s, 90s, hell even in the early 00s, rock, pop, hip hop, r&b, etc could all be popular at the same time. Now its all just pop. No variety.

I think that is why people are getting frustrated.

Today the music industry takes one style and runs it into the ground.




until you get very tired of it.

until you get very tired of it.
We seem to be at the beginning of the end of this Electropop fad. Perhaps the end of the beginning actually. 3 years seems about right when a dance craze begins to go into decline. I am sure this Lady Gaga/Ke$ha sound will stay for awhile, but not for long. Maybe Gaga can reinvent herself, but I think we all know Ke$ha and others won't. They are too untalented.  :P

]We seem to be at the beginning of the end of this Electropop fad.


And let's get back to the time when people used REAL instruments.

And let's get back to the time when people used REAL instruments.
I hope. Doubt it though :(

I think that every big music trend goes through four phases: Rise, Peak, Saturation, and Decline. 

- Rise is when the genre bursts out onto the mainstream and is exciting, brand new.  It gets a lot of hype and and changes the music scene significantly.  For 00s Rap, the Rise would be 2002-2003. 

- Peak is when the genre experiences its popularity peak, dominating the mainstream music scene.  Hints of the Saturation period also begin to emerge as well.  00s Rap's Peak would be 2004 and 2005.

- Saturation occurs afterward, when the genre starts to get flooded with copycat and "me-too" acts.  The genre becomes overly commercialized and the bad outweighs the good.  The genre is still popular during this period, but people are starting to get sick of it (see: Disco, 1979).  This occurs with 00s Rap in 2006 and 2007.

- Decline is when the genre declines in popularity as people get sick of the trend and want something new.  Something new inevitably emerges and people migrate to that trend.  For some trends, the Decline marks their complete exit from the mainstream altogether (see: Hair Metal) while other genre's adapt better (see: rappers incorporating the Dance/Electropop trend into their music).  00s Rap's Decline is the second half of 2008.

The current Dance-Pop trend is no exception to this.  I don't call it the Electropop trend because I don't think most Americans know the difference between various styles of dance music.  Once Electropop dies, the dance trend will die with it. 

I hope. Doubt it though :(



music that had trumpets horns,saxaphones,violins and drums.

The current Dance-Pop trend is no exception to this.  I don't call it the Electropop trend because I don't think most Americans know the difference between various styles of dance music.  Once Electropop dies, the dance trend will die with it.

The dance trend probably won't die that soon, it'll just evolve into something different. I think dance music will be somewhat popular throughout the decade(2010s), electropop in particular just won't be dominant the entire decade.

I think that every big music trend goes through four phases: Rise, Peak, Saturation, and Decline. 

- Rise is when the genre bursts out onto the mainstream and is exciting, brand new.  It gets a lot of hype and and changes the music scene significantly.  For 00s Rap, the Rise would be 2002-2003. 

- Peak is when the genre experiences its popularity peak, dominating the mainstream music scene.  Hints of the Saturation period also begin to emerge as well.  00s Rap's Peak would be 2004 and 2005.

- Saturation occurs afterward, when the genre starts to get flooded with copycat and "me-too" acts.  The genre becomes overly commercialized and the bad outweighs the good.  The genre is still popular during this period, but people are starting to get sick of it (see: Disco, 1979).  This occurs with 00s Rap in 2006 and 2007.

- Decline is when the genre declines in popularity as people get sick of the trend and want something new.  Something new inevitably emerges and people migrate to that trend.  For some trends, the Decline marks their complete exit from the mainstream altogether (see: Hair Metal) while other genre's adapt better (see: rappers incorporating the Dance/Electropop trend into their music).  00s Rap's Decline is the second half of 2008.

The current Dance-Pop trend is no exception to this.  I don't call it the Electropop trend because I don't think most Americans know the difference between various styles of dance music.  Once Electropop dies, the dance trend will die with it. 




Agreed, except I would say rap began its rise in 2000 with Eminem's "Marshal Mathers LP"  It was that summer that hip-hop began to really take off on Top 40 stations, as opposed to urban stations as it had been during the '90s with the exception of a few crossovers.  Electropop is showing clear signs of being at its peak nearing the saturation point.  I think it will have evolved into something else as soon as 2013.

Today the music industry takes one style and runs it into the ground.


Yeah with rap this happened in mid 2005. I couldn't stand how much rap there was on the radio back then. It just got tireing.

It definitly looks like Judas did not live up to the hype chart wise. At least for Gaga standards.

It definitly looks like Judas did not live up to the hype chart wise. At least for Gaga standards.


It's number 20 currently.  :(

Yeah, people got sick of electropop very quick. GaGa's future is uncertain as of now.
Anyway 'Judas' is better than 'Born this way' for me. Both songs are satanic and masonic though.

Yeah, people got sick of electropop very quick. GaGa's future is uncertain as of now.

Electropop is at a pivotal point here. At this point, it's basically the same sound with the same producers producing the sound. People will and are somewhat getting sick of it, but a new sound hasn't really taken advantage yet.

Apparently they are making the song "Edge of Glory" a single since Judas has performed badly.

Speaking of oversaturation, two words: Lil Wayne.

Apparently they are making the song "Edge of Glory" a single since Judas has performed badly.


Is this the beginning of the end for Gaga?

Apparently they are making the song "Edge of Glory" a single since Judas has performed badly.

"The Edge of Glory" isn't bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S08KonZiew4

Yeah, people got sick of electropop very quick. GaGa's future is uncertain as of now.
Anyway 'Judas' is better than 'Born this way' for me. Both songs are satanic and masonic though.


How is 'Judas' satanic? I'm getting so sick of people saying this...it's used as a metaphor. Basically its saying she's in love with somebody that betrayed her and keeps betraying her like Judas did to Jesus Christ, but she still loves him. And just because she's releasing 'Edge of Glory' doesn't mean anything. She said she wanted three singles before the album was released, and besides thats what a lot of artists are doing now. Ke$ha did the same thing.

Yeah with rap this happened in mid 2005. I couldn't stand how much rap there was on the radio back then. It just got tireing.


There was less back in the 80's.

Is this the beginning of the end for Gaga?


But can she re-invent herself in the next few years? ???

But can she re-invent herself in the next few years? ???


Like Madonna?

There was less back in the 80's.
Well even in the 90's-early 00's rap wasn't everywhere like it was 2003-early 2006 and 2007-mid 2008.

Apparently they are making the song "Edge of Glory" a single since Judas has performed badly.
Number 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 is bad?

Number 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 is bad?


Not bad, but I guess people expected it to go at least to number 6 or higher! There was so much anticipation for the 'Judas'.

Number 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 is bad?
It's peaked and that is pretty bad considering the hype for it and how Gaga's singles usually do.

Number 10 on the Billboard Hot 100 is bad?

Its bad for an artist who is in his/her prime.
If GaGa is the new queen of pop all her singles must go at least to number 3 and better.
For example all Katy Perry's singles have gone to number 1 so I guess she is better than GaGa.

Its bad for an artist who is in his/her prime.
If GaGa is the new queen of pop all her singles must go at least to number 3 and better.
For example all Katy Perry's singles have gone to number 1 so I guess she is better than GaGa.


I bet some Gaga haters are starting to smirk a little. I'm not a Gaga hater nor a Gaga lover, I'm neutral.

Guys "Judas" HAS only been out for a week. It hasn't necessarily peaked...I've seen several songs go back into the top 10 from the top 20. We'll see when they update the Billboard charts again.

Like Madonna?


Madonna became the boytoy of the 1980's. She always wore her wedding dress.

I believe this is Gaga's lowest charting single to date. That's why it is considered a flop. People just couldn't get into it I guess. Maybe people just aren't suprised by her "wacky" outfits and videos anymore and are getting sick of her. We'll see what the rest of the album brings us.

This song was a flop definitely, yeah it peaked at 10 on the first week but the airplay is poor and the sales died quickly. It's basically GaGa's first flop imo. It's not a bad song really but it is very similar to several of her other hits and very generic. "The Edge of Glory" is definitely better and hopefully it will perform better.

I believe this is Gaga's lowest charting single to date. That's why it is considered a flop. People just couldn't get into it I guess. Maybe people just aren't suprised by her "wacky" outfits and videos anymore and are getting sick of her. We'll see what the rest of the album brings us.



Maybe because she's on TV most of the time.

Well, Judas is number 19 and only jumped 1 notch from number 20. The song is officially a disappointment. I don't see Judas doing any better.

It's doing worse than "Born This Way" and it's been out for a few weeks.  That's not how singles from high profile singers like her are supposed to work.  Personally, I like the chorus, but the verses give me a headache.  I genuinely liked Lady Gaga's previous stuff, but I'm not feeling this new album.  The songs just don't seem to have the same quality as her last one.  Then there's that horrible album cover:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Born_This_Way.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S08KonZiew4

The Edge of Glory is good.  Its the first song off this album that I've actually liked.

Guys "The Edge of Glory" isn't actually a single...its just part of the countdown to her new album on iTunes...like she just released her song 'Hair' on there today.

Guys "The Edge of Glory" isn't actually a single...its just part of the countdown to her new album on iTunes...like she just released her song 'Hair' on there today.


What's the difference between "single" and "album" these days?

It's sorta like Weird Al's strategy of releasing a track every few months between albums.  As long as there are legitimate (iTunes, Amazon, etc.) download services, artists can float ideas, bring in a little bit of revenue between albums, and keep their names in the minds of their listeners, and the album can come out whenever it's ready.

It may not be a perfect system, but it's a hell of a lot better than the pre-digital era's model of "release one single and 10 tracks of filler every year and hope that they buy it..."

To hit #10 on the charts is great.  The problem with the music charts is when you have a string of smash hits, you're expected to maintain that expectation, but if you don't, it's considered a commercial disappointment. And these people who call it a flop, I don't see them with a hit single in the Top 10



I believe this is Gaga's lowest charting single to date. That's why it is considered a flop. People just couldn't get into it I guess. Maybe people just aren't suprised by her "wacky" outfits and videos anymore and are getting sick of her. We'll see what the rest of the album brings us.


Her lowest charting single was called Chillin' with rap artist Wale.  It stalled at #99 in the US

"The Edge of Glory" is here best song yet.  Brilliant.  "Hair" is amazing too.  She keeps getting better.

Guys "The Edge of Glory" isn't actually a single...its just part of the countdown to her new album on iTunes...like she just released her song 'Hair' on there today.
They changed it up because Judas underperformed

"Edge Of Glory" debuts at #3 on the Billboard Hot 100 mostly because of downloads.

Her whole album got leaked. Getting mixed reviews. Some good, some bad.

Guys "The Edge of Glory" isn't actually a single...its just part of the countdown to her new album on iTunes...like she just released her song 'Hair' on there today.


You need to check your facts Buford.  It's the 3rd single from the 'Born This Way' album

Actually. the more I listen to this, some it of kind of 80's. Like half 80's/half 90's, lol.

Actually. the more I listen to this, some it of kind of 80's. Like half 80's/half 90's, lol.


There's even some smooth jazz elements(as with The Edge of Glory), along with euro-techno, industrial, and metal influences(Judas).

There's even some smooth jazz elements(as with The Edge of Glory), along with euro-techno, industrial, and metal influences(Judas).


Yeah, The Edge of Glory is very 80's sounding. I like it a lot. I don't know if it's her best song, but it's probably the most purely catchy song I've heard of her's.

Yeah, The Edge of Glory is very 80's sounding. I like it a lot. I don't know if it's her best song, but it's probably the most purely catchy song I've heard of her's.


Yeah I'd say that's the best single from this album so far and it is kind of different from her other singles which is why I like it.

A few early highlights imo from the leaked album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu21-Jf24V4

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTad3THBpfs&feature=related/youtube]