I don't mean TOTALLY die as that is impossible (even ancient Greek music is popular to some people I am sure), but do you think hip hop will stop being the powerhouse it was through the 90s and 00s in the 2010s? it's still a huge thing now, but electropop and dance has definitely stolen some of its thunder.

There's been a couple threads on this already but it's possible. Hip hop has been growing increasingly stale for quite a while. I think its due for replacement.

Not to mention fewer and fewer hip hop songs are making the top 40. Most are electropop.

Its only 2011 and there's still a ton of 2000s holdover. In a few more years we'll know for sure.

Hip Hop will never die,It's been around for 32 years and it always reinvents itself.

Probably this will be the last decade for hip-hop.
Most of the possible songs and beats are already made.

Hip Hop will never die,It's been around for 32 years and it always reinvents itself.


Yep.  This year has already seen the emergence of Whiz Kalifa, and the return of Chris Brown.

Hip Hop will never die,It's been around for 32 years and it always reinvents itself.


Maybe so, but I think they mean it won't have the same mainstream success its had.

Yep.  This year has already seen the emergence of Whiz Kalifa, and the return of Chris Brown.



The first hip hop song was in 1979.
1. Rapper's Delight - The Sugar Hill Gang
2. King Tim III (Personality Jock) - Fatback Band
3. Rappin' and Rocking the House - Funky Four Plus One
4. Christmas Rappin' - Kurtis Blow
5. Superrappin' - Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
6. To the Beat Y'All - Lady B
7. We Rap More Mellow - Younger Generation (a.k.a. Grandmaster Flash, et al)
8. Rhythm Talk - Jocko
9. Rhymin' and Rappin' - Paulette and Tanya Winley
10. Rap-O, Clap-O - Joe Bataan
11. Lady D - Lady D
12. Jazzy 4 MCs - MC Rock
13. Rhapazooty in Blue - Sickle Cell and Rhapazooty
14. Spiderap - Ron Hunt
15. Looking Good (Shake Your Body) - Eddie Cheba
Honorable Mention: Take My Rap...Please - Steve Gordon & The Koshers

The first hip hop song was in 1979.
1. Rapper's Delight - The Sugar Hill Gang
2. King Tim III (Personality Jock) - Fatback Band
3. Rappin' and Rocking the House - Funky Four Plus One
4. Christmas Rappin' - Kurtis Blow
5. Superrappin' - Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five
6. To the Beat Y'All - Lady B
7. We Rap More Mellow - Younger Generation (a.k.a. Grandmaster Flash, et al)
8. Rhythm Talk - Jocko
9. Rhymin' and Rappin' - Paulette and Tanya Winley
10. Rap-O, Clap-O - Joe Bataan
11. Lady D - Lady D
12. Jazzy 4 MCs - MC Rock
13. Rhapazooty in Blue - Sickle Cell and Rhapazooty
14. Spiderap - Ron Hunt
15. Looking Good (Shake Your Body) - Eddie Cheba
Honorable Mention: Take My Rap...Please - Steve Gordon & The Koshers

Man, you takin it back, I mean, really! 8)

Die?  Not a chance and anyone who thinks that Rap is going to die is, quite simply, wrong.  Lose popularity?  I think that's naturally going to happen and has already been in process for a few years now.  Rap won't completely die though.  The type of Rap that's popular will just change form, like other genres such as Rock have done countless times before.

Heck, I'd argue the process of that change has already started.  Take a look at the Top 40 right now and look at the Rap songs.  Sure, there's plenty of party "Glam Rap" stuff like "Hey Baby" and "6 Foot 7 Foot", but we've also got stuff like "I Need A Doctor", "All Of The Lights", "The Show Goes On", "Coming Home", "Moment 4 Life", etc. that don't fit that mold at all, even if some of them are made by rappers (such as Diddy) who at one point or another once fit in that mold.  Heck, the most popular Rap song of 2010 was "Airplanes" by B.o.B., who definitely doesn't fit in the old 00s Rap mold either.  I'd argue that from a quality standpoint, mainstream Rap has gotten better over the past year.

Man, you takin it back, I mean, really! 8)


All these songs back then represented a time when rap was cool,not about ho's,drugs,having sex,pimps and touching your body.If you heard today's rap 2011 in 1979,You would think "What the hell is this crap"? 

Probably this will be the last decade for hip-hop.
Most of the possible songs and beats are already made.


and there are no other good beats.

Howard is this your kind of hip hop jam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHMVkqCKknc

Howard is this your kind of hip hop jam?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHMVkqCKknc


O0

Actually, hip hop will lose a lot of popularity once it ceases to be "the rebellious young peoples music" and becomes "the establishment middle aged/old people's music". Then the new youth will rebel against it with something the total opposite (although I cant currently imagine what...something extremely squeaky clean, melodic, and orchestrated?).

This WILL happen eventually. It's happened to basically every dominant genre.

Actually, hip hop will lose a lot of popularity once it ceases to be "the rebellious young peoples music" and becomes "the establishment middle aged/old people's music". Then the new youth will rebel against it with something the total opposite (although I cant currently imagine what...something extremely squeaky clean, melodic, and orchestrated?).

This WILL happen eventually. It's happened to basically every dominant genre.


Even now it's starting to lose its youth status a little bit. Many of the big name rappers, such as Jay Z, Snoop, Eminem, and Nate (God rest his soul) are either past or nearly 40 now, and lots of people in their 30s today actually grew up with rap.

Actually, hip hop will lose a lot of popularity once it ceases to be "the rebellious young peoples music" and becomes "the establishment middle aged/old people's music". Then the new youth will rebel against it with something the total opposite (although I cant currently imagine what...something extremely squeaky clean, melodic, and orchestrated?).

This WILL happen eventually. It's happened to basically every dominant genre.


You mean something like 20 years from now,the new rap will eventually become the old school.

Even now it's starting to lose its youth status a little bit. Many of the big name rappers, such as Jay Z, Snoop, Eminem, and Nate (God rest his soul) are either past or nearly 40 now, and lots of people in their 30s today actually grew up with rap.


Snoop Dogg,Ice T and Ice Cube are in their 40's or near 40.

Snoop Dogg,Ice T and Ice Cube are in their 40's or near 40.
Yeah but Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube don't like that different from what they looked like in 1992-1993. Ice-T does look like he is getting a little older though in the past few years from what he looked like in the 1992-1993 period.

You know Hip Hop has died when Snoop makes a song like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnEXrbAQyIo

Is that autotune and David Guetta I hear? And yes it's a remix, but it's the version radios and clubs are playing.

I don't mean TOTALLY die as that is impossible (even ancient Greek music is popular to some people I am sure), but do you think hip hop will stop being the powerhouse it was through the 90s and 00s in the 2010s? it's still a huge thing now, but electropop and dance has definitely stolen some of its thunder.


I think what you mean instead of 'die' is 'fade away'. I think that history will write it up as a late 20th century and early 21st century influence.

Yeah but Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube don't like that different from what they looked like in 1992-1993. Ice-T does look like he is getting a little older though in the past few years from what he looked like in the 1992-1993 period.


Black people age really well.

Yeah but Snoop Dogg and Ice Cube don't like that different from what they looked like in 1992-1993. Ice-T does look like he is getting a little older though in the past few years from what he looked like in the 1992-1993 period.


and Snoop Dogg raps once in a while even at his age.

Black people age really well.


It shows. :o

Rap at least progresses. Rock hasn't in a significant way since 1995.(Emo is Pop-Punk with emotional lyrics, not a groundbreaking genre)

A slow and painful death.

Black people age really well.


Black don't crack

Rap at least progresses. Rock hasn't in a significant way since 1995.(Emo is Pop-Punk with emotional lyrics, not a groundbreaking genre)


What about Nu-metal in the late 90s/early 00s?

What about Nu-metal in the late 90s/early 00s?
Nu-Metal was around before then. Came early-mid 90's with Faith No More's Epic, and Korn's first album. Not to mention Rap-Rock and Rap-Metal had been around since late 80s/early 90s

Nu-Metal was around before then. Came early-mid 90's with Faith No More's Epic, and Korn's first album. Not to mention Rap-Rock and Rap-Metal had been around since late 80s/early 90s


I think I need to read more about music.  :-[

Rap at least progresses. Rock hasn't in a significant way since 1995.(Emo is Pop-Punk with emotional lyrics, not a groundbreaking genre)


Rap changes a whole lot,It's changed over the past 30 years.

I had a dream about seeing Snoop Dogg last night. Which is weird because tomorrow I am seeing Ellie Goulding.  ;D

Maybe It'll die slowly cause new music arrives every year.

Hip-hop can mix well with other genres - R&B, Rock (= Nu Metal) and now with pop/electropop.
Songs like these will define rap from early to middle 2010s:
- E.T. (Katy Perry ft. Kanye West)
- Coming Home (Diddy-Dirty Money ft. Skylar Grey)
- Love The Way You Lie (Eminem ft. Rihanna)
- Airplanes (B.o.B ft. Hayley Williams)
- I Need a Doctor (Dr. Dre ft. Eminem & Skylar Grey)
- Written in the stars (Tinie Tempah ft. Eric Turner)

Hip-hop can mix well with other genres - R&B, Rock (= Nu Metal) and now with pop/electropop.
Songs like these will define rap from early to middle 2010s:
- Coming Home (Diddy-Dirty Money ft. Skylar Grey)
- Love The Way You Lie (Eminem ft. Rihanna)
- Airplanes (B.o.B ft. Hayley Williams)
- I Need a Doctor (Dr. Dre ft. Eminem & Skylar Grey)
- Written in the stars (Tinie Tempah ft. Eric Turner)



Imo I think rappers are doing all the collaborations with the electropop artists because they know they're losing out to them. Its their way of trying to stay relevant

Imo I think rappers are doing all the collaborations with the electropop artists because they know they're losing out to them. Its their way of trying to stay relevant
Yep. It's all about the $$$ and getting to the top of the charts  ;D

Yep. It's all about the $$$ and getting to the top of the charts  ;D


and back in the days it was about just wanting to make some good music and doing what you love.

Yep. It's all about the $$$ and getting to the top of the charts  ;D

Well they still rap about life on the street too, you know.  Smoking blunts, pouring 40s, makin' some cheddah, out with a Shawty.  Good times.  8)

Well they still rap about life on the street too, you know.  Smoking blunts, pouring 40s, makin' some cheddah, out with a Shawty.   Good times.  8)


"fun rap" was before rap was about smoking blunts,hot women with big asses and giant shaking tits and drinking alcohol.

Hip hip will always be around, just like jazz, rock, pop, electro, etc.  It will phase in and out of popularity on top 40 but it will always be around.

I really hope Jazz-Rap has a break-out year this decade.

I really hope Jazz-Rap has a break-out year this decade.


Jazz-rap was done already, in the early '90s(A Tribe Called Quest), maybe some kind of jazz-trance is more likely ;D.

Hip hip will always be around, just like jazz, rock, pop, electro, etc.  It will phase in and out of popularity on top 40 but it will always be around.


I agree.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=hip+hop+

http://www.google.com/trends?q=rap+music&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

pretty gradual decline. I think hip hop will stay stay moderately popular throughout the 10s before being replaced by something new in the 20s.

pretty gradual decline. I think hip hop will stay stay moderately popular throughout the 10s before being replaced by something new in the 20s.

You mean just like rock stayed moderately popular throughout the 2000s before completely disappearing in the 2010s?

You mean just like rock stayed moderately popular throughout the 2000s before completely disappearing in the 2010s?


Yeah basically, only rock hasn't disappeared completely. Off the top 40 I guess, but the albums still chart and sell pretty well. Rock has been album-based for most of its history anyway. Also rock is still very popular with hipsters.

You mean just like rock stayed moderately popular throughout the 2000s before completely disappearing in the 2010s?


I rarely hear rap anymore on the radio.

Sure, you get a little bit here and there, but it's definitely past its peak.

Just like disco and funk died in the 80's the genre formed a new sound of dance pop and hip hop did the same thing,It's not the same funky partying having fun type of rap we used to hear back in 1981,It's something different.

I hate electropop.  For this reason I'm really hoping hip-hop can get its sheesh together soon...kick electropop out a window or something...*grumble*

I hate electropop.  For this reason I'm really hoping hip-hop can get its sheesh together soon...kick electropop out a window or something...*grumble*

Yes, we're getting sick of electropop. Rock, hip-hop or normal pop need to replace it soon. And we need more male artists!

Yes, we're getting sick of electropop. Rock, hip-hop or normal pop need to replace it soon. And we need more male artists!


Is electropop a genre?  ???

Is electropop a genre?  ???
Yes  :P

I hate electropop.  For this reason I'm really hoping hip-hop can get its sheesh together soon...kick electropop out a window or something...*grumble*


Hey, why don't you organize a electropop demolition. ;D

Hey, why don't you organize a electropop demolition. ;D
I'd support it  :D

What, like the night disco died?

What, like the night disco died?


Disco will never die.

I'd support it  :D


Me too!

One thing I've noticed is nowadays, the music industry takes one genre and runs it into the ground. Currently, almost every song on the radio is electropop, and they all sound pretty similar to eachother. What happened to variety?

Disco will never die.


Electropop is modern-day disco.

Electropop is modern-day disco.


I guess rap is the new funk.

Me too!

One thing I've noticed is nowadays, the music industry takes one genre and runs it into the ground. Currently, almost every song on the radio is electropop, and they all sound pretty similar to eachother. What happened to variety?


When can rap artists go back in the days when music had a trumpet or a horn in them? everything is all clapping sounds now.

I guess rap is the new funk.


Well no, it's true.  Listen to the electronic drums and especially the tempo they're used to make; it sounds almost identical to disco, even my dad has said as much.

Yeah, they're pretty much the same thing. So then electropop will have a short life just like disco. ;D
The only problem is there is nothing to take its place now. :-\\

We could just go back to the good ole days when prog and psychedelic rock ruled. ;D

Well no, it's true.  Listen to the electronic drums and especially the tempo they're used to make; it sounds almost identical to disco, even my dad has said as much.


It's just a new name for it.  ::)

We could just go back to the good ole days when prog and psychedelic rock ruled. ;D


That's one way.

Hip Hop won't die,but by the end of the decade it will sound different to how it does now.

Hip Hop won't die,but by the end of the decade it will sound different to how it does now.


Hip Hop will sound slower.

Hip Hop will sound slower.


It'll be faster. It was slow throughout the entire 00s.

That's R&B.

Rap as I think of rap is not really that popular anymore, though it's still fairly popular on urban radio. It depends on what you define as rap too, some people say dance-pop stuff and r&b as "rap". Today's music is VERY Rhythmic, though not really so urban like it was from the mid '90s to the mid '00s basically. Remember rhythmic pop style music was very popular in the late '80s, I'm talking like Paula Abdul, Salt n Pepa, New Kids on the Block, Janet Jackson, Lisa Lisa. Today's music has a lot in common with that style imo. It's kind of "urban-lite" but not really hip-hop. Basically "hip-hop" has gone backwards from gangsta hardcore stuff to being dancey party music again. I'm a bit mixed on it all, though I like electro it's definitely oversaturated at this point. I remember thinking in the mid '00s how r&b slow jams were dying, now I think back to the mid '00s and I'm like damn there was a lot more slow jams in 2004 than today. The same applies to rock music. Now I'm a guy that like's r&b, rock and dance-pop, it used to be that all my tastes were pretty satisfied by current music but now only the dance pop side is really satisfied.