Not sure if anyone but me watches this anymore...

If you did catch it tonight - thoughts?

***There will probably be spoilers so please don't read on unless you are caught up***

Not sure if anyone but me watches this anymore...

If you did catch it tonight - thoughts?

***There will probably be spoilers so please don't read on unless you are caught up***


not reading yet cuz I'm about a half season behind but I'm going to get caught up this weekend... I hope!!! Just bookmarking for later!

Oh Tam... in addition to Dexter I'm going to a Lost event  8)

Oh Tam... in addition to Dexter I'm going to a Lost event  8)



Really.....if Sawyer shows up and you can do it without being seen...box him up and ship him to me, okay? ;)

Really.....if Sawyer shows up and you can do it without being seen...box him up and ship him to me, okay? ;)


only if I you don't mind sloppy seconds!  ;D

I liked the episode's ending.

only if I you don't mind sloppy seconds!  ;D


;D

only if I you don't mind sloppy seconds!  ;D


That's for guys...for girls it's floppy seconds!!!  ;)

only if I you don't mind sloppy seconds!  ;D


Um, make it threes!!!  I love love love Sawyer but, what did everyone think of last nights eppy??? I really like him with Juliet... Made more sense to me.

Q - DO NOT READ PAST THIS POST!

Um, make it threes!!!   I love love love Sawyer but, what did everyone think of last nights eppy??? I really like him with Juliet... Made more sense to me.


I agree about Sawyer and Juliet! It was sad when she died, and then Myles listened for what she had to say to Sawyer... that it worked! The way the flashes were, you would almost think that there are now 2 dimensions. The one on the island, and the one where the Oceanic flight lands. The second to me seems to be more like "this is what might have happened if..."

And to further confuse us, the whole John Locke thing! I mean, so the black smoke is a shape shifter? Or what?

But back to Sawyer - yeah, I love him with Juliet because there just isn't competition for him. He loved her and you could tell! (And he can eat crackers in my bed any day!) ;)

I enjoyed the first episodes immensley!  And I have to admit I was fading a little last season...  Now I can hardly wait for Tuesdays!

That's for guys...for girls it's floppy seconds!!!  ;)


;D

I agree about Sawyer and Juliet! It was sad when she died, and then Myles listened for what she had to say to Sawyer... that it worked! The way the flashes were, you would almost think that there are now 2 dimensions. The one on the island, and the one where the Oceanic flight lands. The second to me seems to be more like "this is what might have happened if..."

And to further confuse us, the whole John Locke thing! I mean, so the black smoke is a shape shifter? Or what?

But back to Sawyer - yeah, I love him with Juliet because there just isn't competition for him. He loved her and you could tell! (And he can eat crackers in my bed any day!) ;)


As I said to Tam in a PM  I found the whole Sawyer/Juliet/Kate triangle far more interesting than the Jack/Kate/Sawyer one or the Jack/Kate/Juliet one...

I know Elizabeth Mitchell left because of V and all but damn I was really hoping for some more out of it. 

Yeah I enjoyed the whole Myles listening to Juliet.  Um... when Sayid died anyone else catch the look on Myles face? Like he was confused (as if he couldn't hear them) 


Tam I think the writers had a lot of ideas where to take the story and only one season to do it in so we get the two universes.. it also appeases practically all the fans... because there's the keep them on the island camp and the get them home camp.

Interestingly enough tho its not a what would've happened if... and the dead give away to that was in the last ep. When Kate took Claire to the hospital Ethan was Claire's dr.    Remember when they landed on island Ethan spent a couple weeks passing himself off as one of the survivors. 

Also Ethan was the baby born to Amy and Horace... so when Myles dad gets the women and children off the island (as direct result of the intervention of the time traveling Losties) Amy and Ethan were on that sub. In the alternate reality Ethan never came back to island so that's why he was there to talk to Claire about delivering her baby...  but now we are in a loop of the plane crash had to happen in order to prevent it from happening... I love time travel storylines!  ;D 

Is this show going to end sort of like "Escape from Gilligan's Island", where the castaways get stranded again? ???

Is this show going to end sort of like "Escape from Gilligan's Island", where the castaways get stranded again? ???


Maybe.

;D

As I said to Tam in a PM  I found the whole Sawyer/Juliet/Kate triangle far more interesting than the Jack/Kate/Sawyer one or the Jack/Kate/Juliet one...

I know Elizabeth Mitchell left because of V and all but damn I was really hoping for some more out of it. 

Yeah I enjoyed the whole Myles listening to Juliet.  Um... when Sayid died anyone else catch the look on Myles face? Like he was confused (as if he couldn't hear them) 


Tam I think the writers had a lot of ideas where to take the story and only one season to do it in so we get the two universes.. it also appeases practically all the fans... because there's the keep them on the island camp and the get them home camp.

Interestingly enough tho its not a what would've happened if... and the dead give away to that was in the last ep. When Kate took Claire to the hospital Ethan was Claire's dr.    Remember when they landed on island Ethan spent a couple weeks passing himself off as one of the survivors.   

Also Ethan was the baby born to Amy and Horace... so when Myles dad gets the women and children off the island (as direct result of the intervention of the time traveling Losties) Amy and Ethan were on that sub. In the alternate reality Ethan never came back to island so that's why he was there to talk to Claire about delivering her baby...   but now we are in a loop of the plane crash had to happen in order to prevent it from happening... I love time travel storylines!  ;D 



Holy Cow Q, you need to recap after every episode from now on....  I need it!

Holy Cow Q, you need to recap after every episode from now on....  I need it!


where do you want me to start... TV analysis is sort of a hobby.  ;)


BTW Robin, if you get netfilix  seasons 1-5 are available online (at least they are in the US).  I had stopped watching halfway thru season 5 because I fell behind on my DVR but with netflix I was able to watch the last three eps of season 4 and all of season 5 before starting the final season.

I haven't read since my last post - because the dvr decided that it was too full to record all of last weeks episode. I got the first 20 mins and realized, then got the last 20 mins so I need to go watch online in order to be current. I shall reply as soon as I do that! 8)

I haven't read since my last post - because the dvr decided that it was too full to record all of last weeks episode. I got the first 20 mins and realized, then got the last 20 mins so I need to go watch online in order to be current. I shall reply as soon as I do that! 8)


awesome... thank god for hulu!

where do you want me to start... TV analysis is sort of a hobby.  ;)


BTW Robin, if you get netfilix  seasons 1-5 are available online (at least they are in the US).  I had stopped watching halfway thru season 5 because I fell behind on my DVR but with netflix I was able to watch the last three eps of season 4 and all of season 5 before starting the final season.




Not available in Canada....

I was gonna ask you to analyze last night's episode please - Face Book or here. either one will be SO AWESOME!

Mad Skills, you has em!

Not available in Canada....

I was gonna ask you to analyze last night's episode please - Face Book or here. either one will be SO AWESOME!

Mad Skills, you has em!



bummer about the eps being not avail in Canada.


Last night's ep was heavy with the religious under tones.  We already learned in the first ep that Jacob (who we thought was bad is actually good) makes it easy when they put Jacob on the beach wearing a white shirt whlie He-Who-Has-Yet-To-Be-Named is wearing black. Especially once HWHYTBN says he always thinks about killing Jacob.

If that weren't enough the message was driven home with the scale... the balance of good and evil was always even until HWHYTBN did in fact kill Jacob. I anticipate great fallout since what's his face wasn't supposed to be able to kill Jacob. He probably thinks there wa a loophole since he got Ben to stab him but, it was the fire that killed him so technically the Evil triumphed over good by wrongfully eliminating good from the equation.

I get that Jacob had foresight so that's why he knew that Jack, Sawyer, Hugo, Sayid and Jin&Sun are all contenders to be the protector of the Island. (Why wasn't Kate on the list?)  and look at all the others who have come and failed...

I'm not sure why Jacob would allow Richard have Ben lead the Others when Ben is obviously evil but perhaps the evilness of Ben was necessary to bring out the believer in Locke. Locke being the obvious choice until he died.  Look at the parrallel of Linus killing Locke and HWHYTBN killing Jacob. Ironic no?

I still don't know how the numbers relate... maybe that will get told later... maybe the writers just threw it in hoping the audience would be appeased by it...

I wonder who the boy is... does he represent Jacob's spirit? A rebirth- that's why he's a boy... could he be an aged Aaron because, having been born on the Island Aaron should have strong ties to it as well... and it'd be just like them to make future Aaron appear in judgment of you know who

I remembered from season one that Hugo was Locke's Boss. In the ep about Hugo winning the lottery you see him in an office asking someone (presumably his accountant) why he bought a box company in Tustin Ca.... at the same time you see a body falling past the window.. that body was John Locke  ;D

I did not know that Hugo owned the Temp Agency that Rose worked at. You may remember that Rose knew the minute they landed on the island her cancer was cured... that's why she and Bernie didn't want to leave.

I'm guessing Claire is not a manifestation of her former self but that she is real... she probably has been using Rousseau's old hideaway. 


In terms of the LA storyline... I now have an issue... with Hugo... Hugo went to Australia initially to learn about the numbers right? He felt the numbers were cursed and he  was cursed... the chicken place blew up or something the house caught fire... yet the Hugo who got off the plane at LAX was talking about how lucky he was... I'm going to have to go back and watch Hugo's ep from season 1 to see if I missed something.


I also forgot Locke had a woman... I sort remembered him having one but I thought she left him and that's why he went to Australia... but its been awhile so I could be remembering that wrong.


Sorry Robin this is more analysis than recap but I've been thinking about it for hours... I can be more concise if I write immediately after watching... when I haven't thought as much about it.  ;D

If I left something out let me know!

bummer about the eps being not avail in Canada.


Last night's ep was heavy with the religious under tones.  We already learned in the first ep that Jacob (who we thought was bad is actually good) makes it easy when they put Jacob on the beach wearing a white shirt whlie He-Who-Has-Yet-To-Be-Named is wearing black. Especially once HWHYTBN says he always thinks about killing Jacob.

If that weren't enough the message was driven home with the scale... the balance of good and evil was always even until HWHYTBN did in fact kill Jacob. I anticipate great fallout since what's his face wasn't supposed to be able to kill Jacob. He probably thinks there wa a loophole since he got Ben to stab him but, it was the fire that killed him so technically the Evil triumphed over good by wrongfully eliminating good from the equation.

I get that Jacob had foresight so that's why he knew that Jack, Sawyer, Hugo, Sayid and Jin&Sun are all contenders to be the protector of the Island. (Why wasn't Kate on the list?)   and look at all the others who have come and failed...

I'm not sure why Jacob would allow Richard have Ben lead the Others when Ben is obviously evil but perhaps the evilness of Ben was necessary to bring out the believer in Locke. Locke being the obvious choice until he died.  Look at the parrallel of Linus killing Locke and HWHYTBN killing Jacob. Ironic no?

I still don't know how the numbers relate... maybe that will get told later... maybe the writers just threw it in hoping the audience would be appeased by it...

I wonder who the boy is... does he represent Jacob's spirit? A rebirth- that's why he's a boy... could he be an aged Aaron because, having been born on the Island Aaron should have strong ties to it as well... and it'd be just like them to make future Aaron appear in judgment of you know who

I remembered from season one that Hugo was Locke's Boss. In the ep about Hugo winning the lottery you see him in an office asking someone (presumably his accountant) why he bought a box company in Tustin Ca.... at the same time you see a body falling past the window.. that body was John Locke  ;D

I did not know that Hugo owned the Temp Agency that Rose worked at. You may remember that Rose knew the minute they landed on the island her cancer was cured... that's why she and Bernie didn't want to leave.

I'm guessing Claire is not a manifestation of her former self but that she is real... she probably has been using Rousseau's old hideaway. 


In terms of the LA storyline... I now have an issue... with Hugo... Hugo went to Australia initially to learn about the numbers right? He felt the numbers were cursed and he  was cursed... the chicken place blew up or something the house caught fire... yet the Hugo who got off the plane at LAX was talking about how lucky he was... I'm going to have to go back and watch Hugo's ep from season 1 to see if I missed something.


I also forgot Locke had a woman... I sort remembered him having one but I thought she left him and that's why he went to Australia... but its been awhile so I could be remembering that wrong.


Sorry Robin this is more analysis than recap but I've been thinking about it for hours... I can be more concise if I write immediately after watching... when I haven't thought as much about it.  ;D

If I left something out let me know!






THANK YOU.  Exactly what I was hoping for and needed.  I missed the religious undertones!  Don't know how but I did.  THanks again.

THANK YOU.  Exactly what I was hoping for and needed.  I missed the religious undertones!  Don't know how but I did.  THanks again.


Oh man... when HWHYTBN (I just made that up by the way  ;) ) turned to Richard and started talking about how Richard could follow Jacobs word without asking questions? That's totally how religion works.... its all about faith- even if there seems to be no logic behind the decisions you have faith in the one you follow so you do what you're told even if it seems...well... wrong....

I'm sure Richard was against Linus from the beginning.....especially with all the bad things he did.... but perhaps Jacob needed Ben in place for the events to happen as they did... For good to exist there must always be evil to contradict it or something like that.  ;D

Oh man... when HWHYTBN (I just made that up by the way  ;) ) turned to Richard and started talking about how Richard could follow Jacobs word without asking questions? That's totally how religion works.... its all about faith- even if there seems to be no logic behind the decisions you have faith in the one you follow so you do what you're told even if it seems...well... wrong....

I'm sure Richard was against Linus from the beginning.....especially with all the bad things he did.... but perhaps Jacob needed Ben in place for the events to happen as they did... For good to exist there must always be evil to contradict it or something like that.  ;D


Oh no for sure!  As soon as you mentioned the reference I GOT IT!  Good vs evil, love vs hate...  Timeless conflicts, etc. etc....

soooooo.......Jack has a son  :o  I've been watching for 6 seasons and I just don't recall this tidbit of information!

The only thing I can say is that when Jack goes to the boy's room and flips thru the sheet music on the desk the sheet the piece is titled
"Fantasies Impromptu" so maybe that's a hint that this whole LA thing is a fantasy and not what could've/would've been.

Then if you look at Jack's reaction about his scar- like it was the first time he noticed it- that's the same scar that he would've gotten if the plane had crashed and Kate had to stitch him up (like she did...) which sort of further perpetrates my whole theory that the plane crash had to happen in order for Ethan to be the OB at the hospital.  Because if not for the events that followed the crash- he, theoretically, would be on the island not at the hospital- because he was on the island when the plane crash but evacuated from the island in 1978 (or so) when the remaining survivors time traveled and changed history.


This Claire stuff is bugging me... I get why she thinks the others have Aaron- I mean they tried to kidnap him on more than one occasion. But Why would Claire kill Kate for caring for Aaron. Either Claire has, like Danielle, lost her mind being trapped on the island endlessly searching for her baby or Claire is also possessed by some foreign entity... I think its option one.  Claire has been there long enough tho to know the inner workings of the island... plus HWHYTBN seems more forthcoming with details where Jacob wants everyone to act on faith.  But are the details the evil one gives are they factual or are they details that suit his overall purpose? Ya know- the end justifies the means and all that.

I swear if we find out this whole series took place in Hugo's head while he's sitting veggie like in a wheel chair at the mental facility-with all the characters being patients, staff and visitors he sees on a daily basis- I'm gonna be pissed.    >:(

oh I forgot to mention- Dylan Minnette (Jack's son) -  is one of the sweetest kids I've ever met.

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I just read an interesting theory online where they think the cousins... Aaron and David... might be the future keepers of the island... to replace Jacob and what's his face.... respectively. 

Q...you certainly are doing a better job in making sense of it all than me!!  :o  I am watching alsom and absolutely nothing will surprize me about this show. But I'm with you on how it ends....it better not be a dream sequence!!!  >:(

What's that about Kate being killed by Claire?  Maybe you're an episode ahead of us...Last night it ended with James and HWHYTBN in a seaside cave .... and James had thrown in with the 'evil one'....

Q...you certainly are doing a better job in making sense of it all than me!!  :o  I am watching alsom and absolutely nothing will surprize me about this show. But I'm with you on how it ends....it better not be a dream sequence!!!  >:(

What's that about Kate being killed by Claire?  Maybe you're an episode ahead of us...Last night it ended with James and HWHYTBN in a seaside cave .... and James had thrown in with the 'evil one'....


yeah we are one ep ahead of you... but kate isn't killed by Claire its a statement Claire makes... something Claire would do if Kate had taken Aaron.

yeah we are one ep ahead of you... but kate isn't killed by Claire its a statement Claire makes... something Claire would do if Kate had taken Aaron.


Oh...I see. So far...all I've seen of Claire this season (on the Island that is) is when she helped Jin (at the end of the episode).

Oh...I see. So far...all I've seen of Claire this season (on the Island that is) is when she helped Jin (at the end of the episode).



you'll see more of her next week then. I'm impressed you guys aren't that further behind.

I have been hanging in there for years watching this show.  I need answers to all my questions.  This year is a little confusing because they show two sequences - one on the island and one in California.  Is this because they are showing it as if they landed in LA without the crash? And fate will guide them back to the island?  Its crazy.

I have been hanging in there for years watching this show.  I need answers to all my questions.  This year is a little confusing because they show two sequences - one on the island and one in California.   Is this because they are showing it as if they landed in LA without the crash? And fate will guide them back to the island?  Its crazy.



Presumably the LA storyline is because the events on the island (season 5) were allowed caused the plane to not crash...  But, as I said in one of my earlier posts, there are signs that the  crash had to happen

It is crazy tho!

soooooo.......Jack has a son  :o  I've been watching for 6 seasons and I just don't recall this tidbit of information!

The only thing I can say is that when Jack goes to the boy's room and flips thru the sheet music on the desk the sheet the piece is titled
"Fantasies Impromptu" so maybe that's a hint that this whole LA thing is a fantasy and not what could've/would've been.

Then if you look at Jack's reaction about his scar- like it was the first time he noticed it- that's the same scar that he would've gotten if the plane had crashed and Kate had to stitch him up (like she did...) which sort of further perpetrates my whole theory that the plane crash had to happen in order for Ethan to be the OB at the hospital.  Because if not for the events that followed the crash- he, theoretically, would be on the island not at the hospital- because he was on the island when the plane crash but evacuated from the island in 1978 (or so) when the remaining survivors time traveled and changed history.


This Claire stuff is bugging me... I get why she thinks the others have Aaron- I mean they tried to kidnap him on more than one occasion. But Why would Claire kill Kate for caring for Aaron. Either Claire has, like Danielle, lost her mind being trapped on the island endlessly searching for her baby or Claire is also possessed by some foreign entity... I think its option one.   Claire has been there long enough tho to know the inner workings of the island... plus HWHYTBN seems more forthcoming with details where Jacob wants everyone to act on faith.  But are the details the evil one gives are they factual or are they details that suit his overall purpose? Ya know- the end justifies the means and all that.

I swear if we find out this whole series took place in Hugo's head while he's sitting veggie like in a wheel chair at the mental facility-with all the characters being patients, staff and visitors he sees on a daily basis- I'm gonna be pissed.     >:(













No Ki8dding!  It was also wierd how he didn't remember how long his kid had been playing AND the phone message was wierd also....

I am caught up and just about to watch tonights episode.

I have to say Q - you and I are starting to think alike.

I do not remember there ever being talk of Jack having a son - you would think that he would have bonded better with Walt had that been the case.
Claire - I think that HWHYTBN has influence on her. Remember when she gave up Aaron and went with her 'Father'? He is/was also HWHYTBN - as he apparently needs a dead body in order to appear human. So if she so easily gave Aaron up then - that was when 'it's' control was soundly placed in Claire.

The Lighthouse - I am wondering at the symbolism of it. Obviously, Jacob wanted Jack to see and realize that they have all been watched for a very long time, but what is it really telling us? Obviously, that their destiny was preordained, but isn't the lighthouse a symbol of direction and safety? It is to show you the way... not to show you that you have been stalked all of your life - but then again, it can also mean so many other things.

I do not believe for one second that Jacob is dead. It's just me - I know, but I am determined that he will come back at some point. He simply has to. Since we dealt with an episode deeply lined with religious undertones, Evil does not survive on it's own without the Good. Granted, Jacob has Hurly working the good side right now, but ultimately in battle, there has to be equal sides. No matter that the 'smoke' is trying to get off the island or kill everyone on the island or whatever it wants to do, it still cannot enter the Temple - thus making me think that there is still much more to Jacob and his relationship with those inside the Temple.

And I swear to Gad that if they do a mind trick on us like you said Q - I will scream bloody murder!
The dream sequence ruined Dallas, it blew apart the ending of St. Elsewhere... they better not do it!

Ok, off to watch tonight's episode! 8)

I watched and I am sure I am going to be now where near Q's outstanding delivery of a recap. Lord knows I am going to have to watch it again in order to get some of the stuff in it.
;)


I was going to try and break it down like Q does, but I am no where near as good as she is. ;)
It was a very dark episode, and a twist that I didn't see coming at all!!!
I have no clue as to where they are going from here.

My only question is this: Where the hell did Richard and Sawyer disappear to?
I need my Sawyer fix! ;D

you'll see more of her next week then. I'm impressed you guys aren't that further behind.


Damn...after all that I forgot which night LOST was aired and missed this week's episode (last week for you).  >:(  Now I'll have to watch it on-line (if I can) and reads the excellent posts on this thread!

It has been a minute since this thread has been updated.

We have found out part of Ben's story, part of Sawyer's story and tonight is was finally Richard's story. Who knew he was from the 1800's? I mean, we obviously knew that the guy didn't age, but I always thought that time travel played a part in it. I had no idea that Jacob made it so Richard would never die... at Richard's request no less! And we now know how the statue ended up as a single foot - the ship that Richard was on, destined for the New World, crashed into it and broke it when Jacob summoned the ship to the Island.

Sawyer is a detective with Miles in the parallel world?
Ben is a Doctor/Professor at a high school and his daughter is a student?
There isn't a parallel world for Richard - just a past.

The battle of good versus evil is taking form.
Who is Sawyer going to betray? Whitmore or HWHYTBN?

I am frustrated because there are still so many other story lines that need to be summed up, but only 9 episodes left! I don't see how they are going to cover everything and solve it for us without it being a let down!

I watched and I am sure I am going to be now where near Q's outstanding delivery of a recap. Lord knows I am going to have to watch it again in order to get some of the stuff in it.
;)


I was going to try and break it down like Q does, but I am no where near as good as she is. ;)
It was a very dark episode, and a twist that I didn't see coming at all!!!
I have no clue as to where they are going from here.

My only question is this: Where the hell did Richard and Sawyer disappear to?
I need my Sawyer fix! ;D


;D  yeah I need my sawyer fix too...

I finally just watched Sundown... see more curves- I don't remember Sayid in all that time on the island and all his desire to find Nadia remember him mentioning she was frigging married to his brother... more proof that what we see in the sideways eps is not what really would've happened had the plane not crashed the first time...

Love that Cindy is still taking care of those kids (remember when the kids got kidnapped in season one (or was it two) I can't remember if the kids were tailies or original survivors.. I think they were tailies...

anyway---

Interesting dynamic. I love how tam has picked up on my HWHYBN'd moniker even tho the internet chatter refers to him as the man in black... MIB was just too easy....


anyway- love that HWHYBN got Sayid to kill Dogen and turned half the temple to his side... I am still quite annoyed with everyone being split... its just too much to follow...

plus these sideways paths crossing is going overboard... the guy who was sent to the island to kill everyone (especially Ben) is now a mobster in LA who beats up Sayid's brother and locks Jin in a freezer?

the only thing I got from this ep is Sayid- inspite of his bad deeds- is a good man... he typically kills only when pushed- and always does right by those he cares for... 

other than that I got nothing...


you made some good obs in previous post tam. I like that stuff about the lighthouse being a guiding force not something to be used to stalk people...

I think the true question is the balance between good and evil as black and white as they would have you think that it is.. I mean lets go back to Sayid who is supposed to be evil but has tender moments... 

Look at Jacob- Doggen said that he was given an ultimatum his son could live but he'd never be able to see him again. That just sounds like pure evil... how could you expect someone to decide between letting a person live and never seeing them again... or letting them die and never seeing them again... its just cruel...  yet Jacob is supposed to be the good one.... 


and dead locke- he's supposed to be evil yet he pretty much telegraphs his every move- giving people choices.... you want to live come with me... you want to die stay here in hiding...  basically living in fear- hiding in the dark... that's pretty damn close to being dead because really what is there to live for? 

okay I'll watch the other two eps  (oops... three eps) later this week.
I just don't know what to think...

;D  yeah I need my sawyer fix too...

I finally just watched Sundown... see more curves- I don't remember Sayid in all that time on the island and all his desire to find Nadia remember him mentioning she was frigging married to his brother... more proof that what we see in the sideways eps is not what really would've happened had the plane not crashed the first time...

Sayid and Nadia - when they showed her in the 2 or 3 episodes - it was set somewhere in the Middle East - at least that is how it appeared to me, and Nadia was killed in the street. Almost like a "hit" was put out on her, but for Sayid's actions - not because of someone else's actions. I  believe they scrambled for a side story for him and all they could come up with is the brother and mob. Sad really. The only way they can get out of it unscathed is if when they show Jin's side story, they fill in more information. I don't know how they are going to do this with only an hour for each character, as they have been doing so far.

Love that Cindy is still taking care of those kids (remember when the kids got kidnapped in season one (or was it two) I can't remember if the kids were tailies or original survivors.. I think they were tailies...

I don't remember this at all. lol

anyway---

Interesting dynamic. I love how tam has picked up on my HWHYBN'd moniker even tho the internet chatter refers to him as the man in black... MIB was just too easy....

I simply cannot stand the MIB and MIW concept.
To me they both symbolize good versus evil. Period.
And I don't do the internet chatter - I stick to this place alone! lol


anyway- love that HWHYBN got Sayid to kill Dogen and turned half the temple to his side... I am still quite annoyed with everyone being split... its just too much to follow...

plus these sideways paths crossing is going overboard... the guy who was sent to the island to kill everyone (especially Ben) is now a mobster in LA who beats up Sayid's brother and locks Jin in a freezer?

the only thing I got from this ep is Sayid- inspite of his bad deeds- is a good man... he typically kills only when pushed- and always does right by those he cares for... 

other than that I got nothing...

I think they are going to draw on what HWHYTBN type of power he can hold over those following him. Miles said that Sayid was dead for 2 hours - then he miraculously revived. Aside from Dogen saying there was something wrong with the water - it is the power of HWHYTBN. There is definitely more to him than they are letting on right now. And as for him going into the temple once Dogen was dead - I don't buy it! I think that once they let Claire into the temple, the protection ceased. Claire is being controlled right? (Perhaps I am over thinking again)


you made some good obs in previous post tam. I like that stuff about the lighthouse being a guiding force not something to be used to stalk people...

Thanks Girl. To me, a lighthouse is always a safe harbour.  And it actually proved to be a safe house for Hurley and Jack - Jacob wanted them to be far away from the temple when HWHYTBN entered it - and they were. ;)

I think the true question is the balance between good and evil as black and white as they would have you think that it is.. I mean lets go back to Sayid who is supposed to be evil but has tender moments... 

Look at Jacob- Doggen said that he was given an ultimatum his son could live but he'd never be able to see him again. That just sounds like pure evil... how could you expect someone to decide between letting a person live and never seeing them again... or letting them die and never seeing them again... its just cruel...  yet Jacob is supposed to be the good one.... 


and dead locke- he's supposed to be evil yet he pretty much telegraphs his every move- giving people choices.... you want to live come with me... you want to die stay here in hiding...  basically living in fear- hiding in the dark... that's pretty damn close to being dead because really what is there to live for? 

This is where it confuses me. Yes, good versus evil - but which one is which?
I could go into more detail but you haven't watched other episodes yet so I won't.
;) 

okay I'll watch the other two eps  (oops... three eps) later this week.
I just don't know what to think...




Get on it Girl! lol ;D

Sayid and Nadia - when they showed her in the 2 or 3 episodes - it was set somewhere in the Middle East - at least that is how it appeared to me, and Nadia was killed in the street. Almost like a "hit" was put out on her, but for Sayid's actions - not because of someone else's actions. I  believe they scrambled for a side story for him and all they could come up with is the brother and mob. Sad really. The only way they can get out of it unscathed is if when they show Jin's side story, they fill in more information. I don't know how they are going to do this with only an hour for each character, as they have been doing so far.


they friggin did it again in Dr. Linus.... how in the hell did Alex end up in Ben's classroom? I mean- really I guess because Ben's dad left the island or didn't go (or whatever was revealed there) that meant ben wasn't there to kidnap Alex but, theoretically, Rosseau should've still landed on the island because there was nothing, that I can think of, that would've changed her destiny.... I think the writers are on crack... its really going to be interesting to go back and watch the entire series from ep 1 to the finale.



I don't remember this at all. lol




there were two kids who were on the plane flying back to la (I guess they were alone but I don't remember- I just remember they had no parents and Cindy sort of cared for them... them then one or both were kidnapped in the night---then an ep or two later, cindy, who was upset at losing the kids was kidnapped...  its kind of like one of those unanswered questions...what happened to cindy and the kids... but they have yet to explain why they were kidnapped... this was back when we still the others were the only ones on the island (besides Roussaue) anyway- now we know that the others didn't kidnap them but the people in the temple did...  but um... I would still like to know why.



I think they are going to draw on what HWHYTBN type of power he can hold over those following him. Miles said that Sayid was dead for 2 hours - then he miraculously revived. Aside from Dogen saying there was something wrong with the water - it is the power of HWHYTBN. There is definitely more to him than they are letting on right now. And as for him going into the temple once Dogen was dead - I don't buy it! I think that once they let Claire into the temple, the protection ceased. Claire is being controlled right? (Perhaps I am over thinking again)

I think claire is being controlled... its all so complicated... plus the way they are unfolding this season you have to remember what people were doing two and three weeks ago (for me 5 and 6  ::) ) to piece in how they relate to the story... I was like where's sawyer... oh yeah he was in the cave with locke...but there's locke so where's sawyer.... where's jack? oh yeah he was in the lighthouse with Hurley... oh look there's Ben... ben is back on the island?  oh yeah he was on the plane and "killed" jacob... I still contest "locke" killed jacob because Ben stabbed him but locke kicked him into the fire and we don't know that he couldn't have survived the stabbing.



Thanks Girl. To me, a lighthouse is always a safe harbour.  And it actually proved to be a safe house for Hurley and Jack - Jacob wanted them to be far away from the temple when HWHYTBN entered it - and they were. ;)


excellent point.


This is where it confuses me. Yes, good versus evil - but which one is which?
I could go into more detail but you haven't watched other episodes yet so I won't.
;)

Get on it Girl! lol ;D


I promise by sunday I will be caught up... I work graves saturday night so I can get one ep watched before work---- I'll try to get them both watched  ;)

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We have found out part of Ben's story, part of Sawyer's story and tonight is was finally Richard's story. Who knew he was from the 1800's? I mean, we obviously knew that the guy didn't age, but I always thought that time travel played a part in it. I had no idea that Jacob made it so Richard would never die... at Richard's request no less! And we now know how the statue ended up as a single foot - the ship that Richard was on, destined for the New World, crashed into it and broke it when Jacob summoned the ship to the Island.

Sawyer is a detective with Miles in the parallel world?
Ben is a Doctor/Professor at a high school and his daughter is a student?
There isn't a parallel world for Richard - just a past.

The battle of good versus evil is taking form.
Who is Sawyer going to betray? Whitmore or HWHYTBN?

I am frustrated because there are still so many other story lines that need to be summed up, but only 9 episodes left! I don't see how they are going to cover everything and solve it for us without it being a let down!


skipping this post but quoting it so I can find it to read later...

okay so last night I watched Dr Linus...

I didn't feel like a lot was revealed in that.... maybe I need to rewatch it..

basically Miles finally revealed to someone who couldn't care less (ben) that Nilkki and Paolo were buried alive with a crap load of valuable diamonds....  doesn't mean much but it wraps that detail up for me... I always hated that no one new they were buried alive.... I


um... I so love that Arnst was a science teacher at the school Ben and Locke ended up in in the sideways story.... still bugged by the presence of Alex tho.


and I love that they went back to Black Rock (was that the same ship in the book that Linus used when tutoring Alex?  it looked like the same ship... anyway.. one of my favorite lines is "Dude, I got Arnst on me"  Hurley said it after Arnst blew himself up mishandling dynamite..  ;D


So- the island, jacob, whatever, will not allow Richard or Jack to die? um okay.... weird and shyt but okay...

also interesting that ben, in the sideways ep cares for his father... the same father he kills in the regular timeline...

I don't know... there's that stuff about Ben believing in the island so much he watched his daughter die and lupitas getting sucked to the island even tho he missed the crash landing due to fate or whatever... but then again.. maybe he wasn't supposed to get the plane to the island but he was supposed to get the 'rescue team' to the island and ultimately get the oceanic 6 back to the island.

There was a little insight into what's her name but I know we get more about her in the richard storyline so I'll wait till I'm caught up.. .

I think that's all I have for now.  Tam let me know if I forgot anything

^ I am going to have to watch the episode again in order to talk about it. I get a lot of the stuff you are saying - but it isn't flowing freely through me at this point.
I will also comment on your other post - once I get it running through my head again! ;)

so unless these sideways stories are three years in the future I'm totally lost.....  < ha ha I made a pun.... unintentionally


anyway- Kate comes back- she's still wanted by the feds.  claire's still pregnant and giving aaron up. jack's dad died, and he was bringing him back. Locke can't walk and gets fired from his box company job. sayid was a torturer in the iraqi army.  hugo still won the lotto.... oh yeah and rose still has cancer.

but... in this universe- kate & claire meet ethan who wasn't raised on the island....that jives with the storyline if you account for the timetravellers interference.

But.....
jack has a son we never heard of
hugo is not cursed by his winnings.... at all
sayid's woman is married to his brother
locke works with ben who tutors alex
and now sawyer is a cop?  (that's as far as I've gotten in the ep... I paused to write this....)  and miles is his partner.... I didn't read the credits...wonder if Michelle Rodriguez will resurrect Ana Lucia again.

anyway sawyer was still a con man when he got on the plane so suddenly- after two sideways liner sideways stories they have decided to change the history of the characters all together? Man I wish I had this info when I went to see the writers from lost so I could get some clarification on this crap...

wonder what happens if the smoke monster gets off the island and is unleashed on the rest of the world?

wonder what happens if the smoke monster gets off the island and is unleashed on the rest of the world?


It would be well regulated by the anti-pollution agencies!!!  Evil smoke wouldn't stand a chance out here.... 8)

at least Charlottes past is relatively the same...

and apparently sawyer's childhood is as well.

It would be well regulated by the anti-pollution agencies!!!  Evil smoke wouldn't stand a chance out here.... 8)


so basically Al Gore and Leo di caprio would attack it with super sucking vacuum hoses?

so basically Al Gore and Leo di caprio would attack it with super sucking vacuum hoses?


Oh hell...I saw that movie.  So, that's what those things were.... ::)

I'm guessing the fact that sayid didn't react when claire attacked kate is a sure sign that he has lost his soul.... which is basically the thing that kept him human...
see I wonder if something similar that happened to sayid happened to claire...or if claire's isolation just made her go all wonky in the head.  okay locke just answered that for me... he lied to her about Aaron causing her to spin out of control (at least that much makes sense)


so they answer Charlie's sideways story by having his brother show up trying to bail him out for his arrest on drug charges.... nice... since Dom is on Flashforward and probably wasn't available...although Sonya (penny) is supposed to be back (she said so at the Flashforward panel)...


sawyer the cop is looking for the con man who caused his dad to kill mom then self just like con man sawyer was... 


sawyer cannot be falling for this woman's game... she asks way too many questions.  oh good.... that was way too obvious.

look its Chip!!!! (from Kate and Allie)  ;D


I wonder if what's his name needs a fresh body... I mean he appeared as Jack's dad for years but now that locke's dead he's appearing as locke... or perhaps locke serves his/its purpose better than Christian did...


sawyer's  playing Survivor... he has two alliances going at once  ;D


bet that was kate in that car that just smashed in to sawyer adn miles.... yep!  ;D

no ana lucia in this ep tho...too bad.


so not a lot revealed this ep either... guess they need to set some stuff up before giving us info again.... but we're getting closer to the merging of all the players...

the next ep I hear is really good so I'm off to watch it!

My initial guess is richard was on the black rock ship....

Richard's theory of we're dead has been bantered around by many a folk (including moi) since season one.... and the creators always said the one thing the island isn't is purgatory.... so they best not be changin' their damn minds now....  >:(

actually I know they haven't.... well I don't know I just feel it.  this is all a part of Richard questioning his faith. Let's face it he's been following the Gospel According to Jacob for decades... if not centuries.... so now that its all coming to a head of course he's going to question what he accepted without question before.


and all of this revelation was reached before the title bumper  ;D

I also wonder why Jacob and richard could leave the island but HWHNYBN cannot (or hasn't been able to leave the island before)

My initial guess is richard was on the black rock ship ....


richard riding a horse in 1867....who's more awesome than me?  no one!!!  ;D

and yes... the ship in the book Linus was reading when tutoring Alex did indeed depict the voyage of Black Rock.


ummmm he's kinda hot all scruffy and sweaty....

so richard starts out s a man of faith anyway- who believes he sinned and must do some sort of penance to be absolved of murder...
well of course he buys into Jacob's line of reasoning.... he probably thinks living forever (or close to it) is the penance he must do if he is to ever make it to heaven. ...

or something like that... and there is richard on black rock...  


and there is black rock crashing on the island...

that smoke monster wasted no time eh...  ;D

so I wonder if Isabella is a manifestation of  Jacob's

or if richard is just hallucinating because of his lack of food, water and etc...

nope... its a manifestation of Jacob- so that Jacob could control his opinon of the smoke monster by creating the moment where the already dead isabella is killed by the "smoke monster"  

and now here comes Jacob.... the savior.... to gain Richard's trust.... nope its not Jacob... its the other one... hmmm

so what's his name wants Richard to kill Jacob.... so confused now...  but fascinated and riveted!!!

okay so maybe black did conjur up isabella to control richard...

Really if they both claim they are good adn the other is evil....how are we to determine the truth because both have done both good and bad acts... its just sooooooo I don't know I need to think about this some more..... adn I  have about 14 minutes left in the ep...

I like Jacob's analogy about evil...as explained via a bottle of wine

but then again.... Jacob brings people to the island to prove to Smokey that they are inherently good... yet he brings them over knowing they will die... which seems wrong...
and then that whole- I can't be bothered to coach the people once I get them here- they have to fend for themselves- do what's right because its inside of them to do what's right so why do I have to intervene and help them ..... that's also slightly evil...

sure Smokey (cuz that's what I'm calling him now tam  ;D ) coaxes people and tries to get them to do what he needs... and it seems the people he kills  are,, for the most part, inherently evil... or at least guilty of something...  yet he also kills without regard....come with me or die...that's a lousy ultimatum


yep they are still equally bad and equally good in my book.

so richard starts out s a man of faith anyway- who believes he sinned and must do some sort of penance to be absolved of murder...
well of course he buys into Jacob's line of reasoning.... he probably thinks living forever (or close to it) is the penance he must do if he is to ever make it to heaven. ...



ah.... eternal life is the "gift" Richard gets to avoid going to hell....

but now richard thinks that perhaps the eternal life he has lived for all these centuries has indeed been hell and now he is going to smokey to see if he can do his penace and be absolves of said sins...

I guess Hurley helped absolve Richard of his sins...  thru isabella....

oy... now smokey is evil again...  ::)  I can't keep up with it all....

It was a great ep... and deserves another watch but I just can't I'm going to wait until I get to the end... and like I said start over again from the beginning... because hopefully the end will inform all that has come before it....

You're a raving loony.....but I get more insight from you on this series than from actually watching it!!!  :o ;D

You're a raving loony.....but I get more insight from you on this series than from actually watching it!!!  :o ;D



why am I a raving loony... because I choose to process my tv shows here instead of inside my own head!  ;D

Its that degree in film theory... you know after paying 60K for my education all I can do with it is break down Lost for you people.....for free.  :D

But I am happy to be of assistance.

anyway sawyer was still a con man when he got on the plane so suddenly- after two sideways liner sideways stories they have decided to change the history of the characters all together? Man I wish I had this info when I went to see the writers from lost so I could get some clarification on this crap...




If you're picking up what I'm putting down...

I get the feeling more and more that as each person changes on the island, their sideways story changes as well.

Whatever they do, whatever they realize about themselves, affects the linear world...

I'm guessing the fact that sayid didn't react when claire attacked kate is a sure sign that he has lost his soul.... which is basically the thing that kept him human...
see I wonder if something similar that happened to sayid happened to claire...or if claire's isolation just made her go all wonky in the head.  okay locke just answered that for me... he lied to her about Aaron causing her to spin out of control (at least that much makes sense)

Yeah, like I said - Claire is being controlled and now so is Sayid. Even when Locke explains the lie he told Claire - she still chose to go with HWHYTBN back in season 4?


so they answer Charlie's sideways story by having his brother show up trying to bail him out for his arrest on drug charges.... nice... since Dom is on Flashforward and probably wasn't available...although Sonya (penny) is supposed to be back (she said so at the Flashforward panel)...


sawyer the cop is looking for the con man who caused his dad to kill mom then self just like con man sawyer was... 


sawyer cannot be falling for this woman's game... she asks way too many questions.  oh good.... that was way too obvious.

look its Chip!!!! (from Kate and Allie)  ;D


I wonder if what's his name needs a fresh body... I mean he appeared as Jack's dad for years but now that locke's dead he's appearing as locke... or perhaps locke serves his/its purpose better than Christian did...


sawyer's  playing Survivor... he has two alliances going at once  ;D

Haha! Survivor! Good one!


bet that was kate in that car that just smashed in to sawyer adn miles.... yep!  ;D

no ana lucia in this ep tho...too bad.


so not a lot revealed this ep either... guess they need to set some stuff up before giving us info again.... but we're getting closer to the merging of all the players...

the next ep I hear is really good so I'm off to watch it!





Definitely not a lot was revealed - but then again would we expect anything less?

Richard's theory of we're dead has been bantered around by many a folk (including moi) since season one.... and the creators always said the one thing the island isn't is purgatory.... so they best not be changin' their damn minds now....  >:(

actually I know they haven't.... well I don't know I just feel it.  this is all a part of Richard questioning his faith. Let's face it he's been following the Gospel According to Jacob for decades... if not centuries.... so now that its all coming to a head of course he's going to question what he accepted without question before.


and all of this revelation was reached before the title bumper  ;D


I never believed they were dead. First of all, that would tick so many people off! Secondly, that would make the island purgatory - which has been stated time and time again that it isn't.

so I wonder if Isabella is a manifestation of  Jacob's

or if richard is just hallucinating because of his lack of food, water and etc...

nope... its a manifestation of Jacob- so that Jacob could control his opinon of the smoke monster by creating the moment where the already dead isabella is killed by the "smoke monster"  

and now here comes Jacob.... the savior.... to gain Richard's trust.... nope its not Jacob... its the other one... hmmm

so what's his name wants Richard to kill Jacob.... so confused now...  but fascinated and riveted!!!

okay so maybe black did conjur up isabella to control richard...

Really if they both claim they are good adn the other is evil....how are we to determine the truth because both have done both good and bad acts... its just sooooooo I don't know I need to think about this some more..... adn I  have about 14 minutes left in the ep...


We can't determine at this point which is which. Like you said - they have both done good and evil deeds - or have they? It is all in the eye of the beholder right? What one does, the other balances out. It is all about balance I think...

I like Jacob's analogy about evil...as explained via a bottle of wine

but then again.... Jacob brings people to the island to prove to Smokey that they are inherently good... yet he brings them over knowing they will die... which seems wrong...
and then that whole- I can't be bothered to coach the people once I get them here- they have to fend for themselves- do what's right because its inside of them to do what's right so why do I have to intervene and help them ..... that's also slightly evil...

sure Smokey (cuz that's what I'm calling him now tam  ;D ) coaxes people and tries to get them to do what he needs... and it seems the people he kills  are,, for the most part, inherently evil... or at least guilty of something...  yet he also kills without regard....come with me or die...that's a lousy ultimatum


yep they are still equally bad and equally good in my book.


Here is where - to me - the series starts to show Religious undertones again.
It is just as it is explained in the Bible - you come to God but ultimately it is what you do to stay with him.
Jacob brings them to the island, but they have to find their way and continue on a course of righteousness. What you do ensures your spot in "safety". Even the good sway from time to time, but there isn't a 'free pass'...

In my mind - I see the island shaping up to be the battle before Armageddon. Good vs. evil - Satan trying to break free to claim his stake. God trying to prove that people are good and said people just need time to prove it. I figure this because of the conversation about HWHYTBN'd trying to get off the island and what will happen to the world if he does. Death, destruction. Armageddon is about God taking his Christian believers home, then Satan follows to destroy those who are left behind. Perhaps I am over thinking it, but at this point it makes perfect sense to me. (At least until they throw another curve ball at us)

If you're picking up what I'm putting down...

I get the feeling more and more that as each person changes on the island, their sideways story changes as well.

Whatever they do, whatever they realize about themselves, affects the linear world...


I just realized I forgot to go back and read that last post of yours....

anyway- this is interesting.... I didn't think of it like that but not a bad theory... . so when they cross paths wherever they are is how they are feeling at the moment.....


Using that concept:

Claire wants her baby so the adoptive parents are unavailable....kate who saved aaron is now helping claire because her reason for going back to the island was to reunite the two

Kate feels guilty about taking aaron in the first place which is why, in the sideways eps,  she's always on the run from the cops.

Jack feels what? like he's let everyone down so he loses his dad's body and suddenly becomes a half assed parent to the son he wishes he had?

Locke- locke's doesn't quite fit because in his sideways story he felt useless and lost (but then again since he's not locke anyway maybe he was the writer's red herring)  and he was mentor-y in the linus ep.

Linus- wishes he were better? so his world is one where he cares for his dad and still has contact with Alex....

Sayid feels nothing but guilt for nadia so he creates a world where she can be with his brother (who he presumed would be the better choice for her) and would allow him to torture himself even more because he could be near her but not with her... and to further seal his fate he tells her he has done it to punish himself (basically its his version of penance for his sins)

So that's why Hugo's lotto win isn't a sideways curse... Hugo has embraced his ability to speak with the dead and because he is using his gift instead of fighting it...he's at peace (even tho he's not really at peace on the island.... )  still I'll go with it for now... and we haven't really seen his sideways story- just glimpses thru others..... he could be lying about how great everything is just because he thinks that's the way to get by....

And Sawyer.....feels guilty about his past cons...and finding love with Juliet turns him into the man he could have been......but he still wants revenge on the man who conned his family resulting in his parents death...


See tam you do have skills... that totally works... O0

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We have found out part of Ben's story, part of Sawyer's story and tonight is was finally Richard's story. Who knew he was from the 1800's? I mean, we obviously knew that the guy didn't age, but I always thought that time travel played a part in it. I had no idea that Jacob made it so Richard would never die... at Richard's request no less! And we now know how the statue ended up as a single foot - the ship that Richard was on, destined for the New World, crashed into it and broke it when Jacob summoned the ship to the Island.

Sawyer is a detective with Miles in the parallel world?
Ben is a Doctor/Professor at a high school and his daughter is a student?
There isn't a parallel world for Richard - just a past.

The battle of good versus evil is taking form.
Who is Sawyer going to betray? Whitmore or HWHYTBN?

I am frustrated because there are still so many other story lines that need to be summed up, but only 9 episodes left! I don't see how they are going to cover everything and solve it for us without it being a let down!





figure on the finale being two hours so lets call it ten episodes left.

Here is where - to me - the series starts to show Religious undertones again.
It is just as it is explained in the Bible - you come to God but ultimately it is what you do to stay with him.
Jacob brings them to the island, but they have to find their way and continue on a course of righteousness. What you do ensures your spot in "safety". Even the good sway from time to time, but there isn't a 'free pass'...


but when people follow god don't they usually do so with guidance? they have a bible or a priest or someone to facilitate the word of god... sure Linus had Richard but none of the other people really had much. Locke was the closest one to believing without any guidance but he had the sign of one miracle... he could finally walk again...

and if you think about it tho- its been years since I have read anything biblish... but didn't jesus appear to those who's faith was waning and at least say trust in me...or some shyt like that? I mean how else do you explain Job... he lost everything and when he loses faith in himself god comes to him and tells him to stay the course and everything will be okay.
But Jacob- short of appearing to them early one- has only really talked to Locke and Hurly since they landed on the island....everyone else was left to fend for themselves.





In my mind - I see the island shaping up to be the battle before Armageddon. Good vs. evil - Satan trying to break free to claim his stake. God trying to prove that people are good and said people just need time to prove it. I figure this because of the conversation about HWHYTBN'd trying to get off the island and what will happen to the world if he does. Death, destruction. Armageddon is about God taking his Christian believers home, then Satan follows to destroy those who are left behind. Perhaps I am over thinking it, but at this point it makes perfect sense to me. (At least until they throw another curve ball at us)


nah its a good analogy and makes about as much sense as anything else.... and way more sense than purgatory.

thanks Tam... its good working out - mentally that is- with you... its starting to come together now...
:)

thanks Tam... its good working out - mentally that is- with you... its starting to come together now...
:)


Thanks to you as well Q!

It is slowly coming together, but on so many different levels that we obviously still aren't sure exactly what the island is or who HWHYTBN and Jacob are. Your arguments about Job are very true, so I can see where my reasoning leaves some room for debate. ;)

I will admit that I am still confused. I thought this season was supposed to tie up all the loose ends but it seems to only confuse us further. I anticipate a good ending though. There has to be. And in all honesty, they can't end it being all religious - that isn't exactly what the masses will want or like.

And there has really only been one discrepancy so far, and it wasn't even in the story line... Sawyer's hair cut. The sides go from being down by his chin in the episode with the cliff, to being near his cheekbones when he is a cop and throughout that whole episode. :o :D Yes, I pay that close attention! lol

Still waiting for Jin and Sun's story patiently - and there has to be more about Charlie. They can't just leave it with him in jail and his brother bailing him out.

Thanks to you as well Q!

It is slowly coming together, but on so many different levels that we obviously still aren't sure exactly what the island is or who HWHYTBN and Jacob are. Your arguments about Job are very true, so I can see where my reasoning leaves some room for debate. ;)

I will admit that I am still confused. I thought this season was supposed to tie up all the loose ends but it seems to only confuse us further. I anticipate a good ending though. There has to be. And in all honesty, they can't end it being all religious - that isn't exactly what the masses will want or like.

And there has really only been one discrepancy so far, and it wasn't even in the story line... Sawyer's hair cut. The sides go from being down by his chin in the episode with the cliff, to being near his cheekbones when he is a cop and throughout that whole episode. :o :D Yes, I pay that close attention! lol

Still waiting for Jin and Sun's story patiently - and there has to be more about Charlie. They can't just leave it with him in jail and his brother bailing him out.


ah yes... but the sideways stories are occurring three years ago so technically they're correct with keeping the hair length different...

Yeah I'm waiting for Sun and Jin too...cuz this who is it one, the other or both has me curious...


and yeah I hope for a charlie sideways but the reason sonya coud've gotten away from Flashforward to do do lost is her scenes are small... a charlie sideways would be quite extensive and time consuming so it may have conflicted with the flash forward shooting schedule... and since he died on the island technically- following your logic- there is no charlie's sideways cuz his current state on the island is...well.... non-exsistent  ;D

ah yes... but the sideways stories are occurring three years ago so technically they're correct with keeping the hair length different...

I got that - but then the Sawyer on the islands haor should have stayed the jawbone length. It didn't. It obviously is the same length as in the sideways. ;)

Yeah I'm waiting for Sun and Jin too...cuz this who is it one, the other or both has me curious...


and yeah I hope for a charlie sideways but the reason sonya coud've gotten away from Flashforward to do do lost is her scenes are small... a charlie sideways would be quite extensive and time consuming so it may have conflicted with the flash forward shooting schedule... and since he died on the island technically- following your logic- there is no charlie's sideways cuz his current state on the island is...well.... non-exsistent  ;D




Ah but if his sideways is non-existent then why did the writes make a point to show his brother bailing him out of jail?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm ;D

I got that - but then the Sawyer on the islands haor should have stayed the jawbone length. It didn't. It obviously is the same length as in the sideways. ;)

Ah but if his sideways is non-existent then why did the writes make a point to show his brother bailing him out of jail?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm ;D





maybe while he was mourning Juliette he found some scissors and got a trim.  ;)

the brother was there for us the audience. Of the didn't mention charlie at all we wouldve cried foul
When they first landed at lax the stewardess was directing airport police to a man locked in the bathroom and she said something about drugs. That was Charlie. So the brother in the PD was a way of continuing charlie's story.

Blame the iPhone for any typos or errors lol

maybe while he was mourning Juliette he found some scissors and got a trim.  ;)

the brother was there for us the audience. Of the didn't mention charlie at all we wouldve cried foul
When they first landed at lax the stewardess was directing airport police to a man locked in the bathroom and she said something about drugs. That was Charlie. So the brother in the PD was a way of continuing charlie's story.

Blame the iPhone for any typos or errors lol


Right - Jack saved Charlie from dying when he removed the bag of coke or crack or heroine out of his throat. Charlie was all like "I wish you hadn't" as if he wanted to die.
But that can't be all! I will not allow that to be all!!!

Right - Jack saved Charlie from dying when he removed the bag of coke or crack or heroine out of his throat. Charlie was all like "I wish you hadn't" as if he wanted to die.
But that can't be all! I will not allow that to be all!!!


I'm not saying he wanted to die. I'm just saying - assuming the producers can't get don back- they had to write around him.

Using your logic that what's going on with them on the island informs there sideways story.- there is no real sideways story for Charlie (cuz he drowned) so his story continues as it would have had the plane not crashed. Charlie is found in the plane bathroom and he either died or he was arrested for drug possession. Either way. That could be the end of his story.

The writers had to mention Charlie. But they couldn't show him. So they did it the only way they could have done it.  

Using your logic...


My logic could be seriously flawed!!! Hahahaha!!!! ;D

My logic could be seriously flawed!!! Hahahaha!!!! ;D


this is true....but I like the it... its the only rational explanation for things....not that the Lost writers are typically rational but it really stopped my head from spinning off my neck  :D

Going to watch the new episode in a few. I hope it is good and gives more insight. 8)

So Jin and Sun were held over at the airport and Jin didn't get his money back. He missed the meeting at the restaurant and explained to Sun that he was supposed to go to the meeting with the money and the watch to take care of business. Weird how they checked into the hotel as not married and had two separate rooms. I would believe this was done because of what Jin had to deliver, Sun's father wouldn't want her included in the transfer - whatever it was for - so she was under an alias.

Back to the island, HWHYTBN tells Jin about the cave (which Sawyer already revealed to Jin) and Locke tells Jin that the only way to get off the island is for all the remaining names to get off together. Jin says impossible because Sun isn't there - HWHYTBN says he is working on it.

HWYTBN tells Sayid that he is leaving for a while, will return in the morning. Sayid shows no emotion at all and tells HWHYTBN that he doesn't feel anything. Anger, sadness, happiness... nothing. HWHYTBN says maybe it is for the best in order to help Sayid make it through what is coming...

Jin starts to get his things to be gone before "that thing" returns. Sawyer tries to tell him that he has a deal with the people on the other island to get them off, they start to bicker and then they all get shot with tranquilizers. Whitmore's people walk in, look at Jin, ask if he is the man. Yes, he is the man. They lift him as if to make off with him while the rest of the group is sleeping from the tranqs...

Back to Ben and his people...

Wow! Sun gets pretty mad! Slams her knife into the table and walks away.
Jack follows her and they are in the garden that Sun planted when they first landed on the island.

Sun has pretty much had enough. She doesn't care about purposes or destiny's...

Back to parallel world with Jin and Sun

Jin says he is going to the restaurant because that is what Sun's father wanted him to do.
Sun asks Jin inside hre room and proceeds to unbutton her sweater, baiting Jin to tell her to do them up. She is a little hussy! lol She undoes all the buttons and asks if she should do her buttons up - Jin says definitely not then they start making out...

Back on the island, HWHYTBN approaches Sun and startles her.
He tells Sun that he found Jin!
Sun doesn't believe him because he killed the people at the Temple.
He says he is giving Sun the choice to go with him in order to see Jin
"Jin is waiting"

Sun makes a break for it and HWHYTBN chases after her...

Sun is running from HWHYTBN and plants her head squarely against a tree!
Flip to parallel world...

Sun tells Jin that they could run away.
Jin is taken aback by it but they can't discuss too much because there is a knock on the door.
Guess who? Martin Kimmy!!
He calls her Ms. Peck and says he is a friend of her fathers...

I don't think Jin and Sun are married!!!!!

Kimmy forces his way in the room...

Back to the island, Ben finds Sun passed out
She starts talking in Korean
Then she gets her english and tells Ben that "Locke" did this to her.

Lock returns to his side of the island to find everyone still passed out from the tranqs.
HWHYTBN wakes Sayid and asks who?
Sayid says I don't know.
The next question from HWHYTBN is "Where is Jin??"

Flip to Jin, he is in a restraining chair but not restrained. He tries to get out to no avail.
He bangs on door, then flips a switch which turns on the mind melding videos from season ago.
He turns it off.
The chick ends up standing behind him.
He is in room 23 - explained about Dharma
He tries to leave and she tasers him.
Explains she cannot let him leave.

She shows Jin grid maps of electromagnetic pockets
She wants his help because he signed on the map
He says he will give answers only if he can talk to Whitmore.
She says he is in luck because Whitmore wants to talk to him too.

Flip to Sayid - HWHYTBN asks if he is a good swimmer.
Sawyer and Claire keep watching HWHYTBN
Claire wants to know if the names on the wall included hers.
HWHYTBN tells her no but explains that he still needs Claire.

Is Kate's name on the wall?
No it isn't... NOT ANYMORE...

Sawyer asks if Sayid and HWHYTBN are going somewhere...
Sawyer is told they are going to get Jin back .

Parallel world, Sun gives Kimmy the watch but Kimmy wants the money,
Sun says "No English" haha!
Another knock on the door and a man enters.
They talk and Kimmy sees the second glass on the table.
He tells his buddy to check the bathroom.
Jin comes out
He and Sun start talking in Korean and Sun suggests they give the men their own money...

Kimmy says he feels like he is in a Godzilla movie ;D
Tells his buddy to go get the guy who speaks 9 different launguages.

The Kwon's tell him the money was confiscated at customs.
Kimmy says it isn't his problem
Sun says let them go to the bank and get them money

Kimmy says he will take Jin to the restaurant and Sun can go to the bank
Jin doesn't want Sun's father to know that he and Sun are involved...
Kimmy says he will keep the secret.

Back to the island with Ben
"She hits her head and can only speak Korean" Miles
"Says the man who communes with the dead" Hahaha
Richard returns "Pack your bags, we're leaving"

Flip to HWHYTBN - sailed to the other island.
The others shot at him and HWHYTBN says "I come in peace"

So Whitmore comes out to speak to HWHYTBN
He asks if he knows who he is
"Charles Whitmroe... do you know who I am?"
Whitmore says myth, legend blah blah blah

HWHYTBN says obviously it is more than that because the beach is lined with pylons
He says he came to get Jin back
Whitmore says he doesn't know what he is talking about
HWHYTBN says:

"As wise man once said that war was coming to this Island.
I think it just got here."

Back to Richard

Sun goes off on him!
She refuses to help him blow up the plane as it is their only way off the island.
She came back to find her husband and she isn't going anywhere with Richard if he plans on blowing up the plane.

Back to parallel world - Sun is at the bank
Her father closed the account and took all of the money back!
Kimmy throws Jin in a walk in fridge.
They take care of taping up Jin and Kimmy sends the other guy to go pick up the Arab... (Sayid)

Kimmy is talking to Jin, telling him that Sun's father knew all along that Jin and Sun were together and the $25,000 was Kimmy's payment for killing Jin!!!
I KNEW THEY WEREN"T MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to Whitmore

Whitmore meets with Jin
gives him Sun's camera that was found on the plane
Jin finally gets to see his daughter through the eyes of the camera
Jin cries
Whitmore says he has a daughter too and he understands what it is like to be kept apart...

He then explains that is that thing parading around as John Locke were to get off the island, everything, everyone would simply cease to be.

Whitemore came to make sure that doesn't happen.
Jin asks how.

Whitmore tells Jin to come with him to see the package that will stop HWHYTBN
Jin asks what it is
Whitmore says "It's not a what, it's a who."

Parallel world - Jin hears shots outside of the walk in fridge.
He slams his feet against the door and Sayid enters! Jin says "Free" and Sayid hands him a box cutter and says "Good luck"

Sun is being taken into the restaurant where they see Kimmy isn't dead - Jin is laying on the floor pretending to be dead.
Jin pulls the gun on the interpretor, but they struggle, the interpretor firs his gun a few times, but Jin gets the gun and kills him.
Sun has been shot! And she tells Jin that she is pregnant!!

Back to the island and Sun
Jack walks up to her sitting on the beach.
He hands her a pad and paper hoping she can write in english
She can
Jack says he went back out to the garden to see if HWHYTBN was still there and he found a tomato.
Sun tells Jack about HWHYTBN and Jack asks if she trust him.
She does trust Jack. He tells her if she comes with them he will help her find Jin and they can leave. He promises.
Sun accepts Jack's hand.

Back to Kate and Sawyer
Sawyer has a feeling that this is almost over
HWHYTBN returns - Sawyer asks where Jin and Sayid are
Tells Sawyer he doesn't like secrets - ie. guarding something on the submarine

Sayid in the water, swimming towards the sub
HWHYTBN must have sent him on a recon mission...
They are pulling someone out of the sub...
He stumbles and falls and looks into Sayid's face...

It is DESMOND!!!!

Sayid stays in the water watching as Desmond is taken away..



Only 6 episodes left!!!

Okay….so I can’t post in the thread right now because Tam told me she live blogged it when she watched… I don’t want to read anything that might give away the ep…

Using Tam’s brilliant concept that current status on the island impacts the sideways stories- I deduce that Jin and Sun are not married in LA because they are currently separarted on the island and have been for 3 (and thirty) years.  Sun had to tell people Jin died (and she wasn’t entirely sure she was wrong) but came back to the island to try to find him…. Jin after jumping back and forth in time could not be sure he’d see Sun again- and even now that they are finally- on the same island in the same time period they still haven’t reunited…. So- I guess that means no marriage yet in the sideways story…
Interesting since- Sun was originally coming to LA to escape her marriage- she learned English before the trip and I remember, in the LAX ep- when Jin is first stopped at customs the agent asking Sun if she understood English and that look that said yes but I can’t reveal that I do cuz he’s not supposed to know that I can…..  man I want to go back and watch season one so badly now cuz it was sooooo good.
We know that Jin makes it to the restaurant in Sayid’s version of events but maybe there is a later meeting coming up…. will have to watch for that….
Interesting that Sayid claims to feel nothing tho- in his sideways story- which came after his resurrection- he was able to still feel stuff…. I love tha Fred “Chip Lowell” Koehler is in this ep!
“Hey don’t talk about bacon”   YEAH CUZ WHAT HAS BACON EVER DONE TO YOU????  ;D

Just thought of this…. Jack called it Jacob’s Light House…..making Jacob keeper of the light…..isn’t there some sort of religious undertone in that statement?

Oops…Jin is going to the restaurant….. but first a little nookie… that was a good scene :)
Okay so how Jin got in the restaurant is now clear…  
               Why don’t you believe me? Because you’re speaking! ::D
Love that Sun can’t speak English… that scene where she rips Richard a new one is classic!!!!
Sun’s father was going to kill Jin….that’s about right- he’s always hated Jin.


OH SHYT!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!  Sun’s shot- sideways… and Desmond is back….. oh this is getting good!!!!  

So Jin and Sun were held over at the airport and Jin didn't get his money back. He missed the meeting at the restaurant and explained to Sun that he was supposed to go to the meeting with the money and the watch to take care of business. Weird how they checked into the hotel as not married and had two separate rooms. I would believe this was done because of what Jin had to deliver, Sun's father wouldn't want her included in the transfer - whatever it was for - so she was under an alias.

 

that could be it too....tho I like my theory better  ;)

Back to Ben and his people...

Wow! Sun gets pretty mad! Slams her knife into the table and walks away.
Jack follows her and they are in the garden that Sun planted when they first landed on the island.

Sun has pretty much had enough. She doesn't care about purposes or destiny's...

Back to parallel world with Jin and Sun






Yunjin Kim did some phenomenal acting in this ep!!!

I don't think Jin and Sun are married!!!!!


hence my theory!  :)

Is Kate's name on the wall?
No it isn't... NOT ANYMORE...




I wonder about that because Austin most definitely was still on the wall--- I wonder if something happened to kate that we are unaware of or if.... like i said oh four weeks or so ago- if kate's raising Aaron....and giving him her name.....if that means he is now the Austin on the wall. 

Kimmy is talking to Jin, telling him that Sun's father knew all along that Jin and Sun were together and the $25,000 was Kimmy's payment for killing Jin!!!
I KNEW THEY WEREN"T MARRIED!!!!!!!!!!!!


;D

Wow...this is fun reading about the episode that hasn't yet aired over here (it will be on tv this Thursday)... :)

Wow...this is fun reading about the episode that hasn't yet aired over here (it will be on tv this Thursday)... :)


welll Tam broke it down so thoroughly you don't even have to watch it... I can't imagine how long it took her cuz half the ep was subtitled so she must have paused it a lot to stay on top of it  :o

Okay….so I can’t post in the thread right now because Tam told me she live blogged it when she watched… I don’t want to read anything that might give away the ep…

Using Tam’s brilliant concept that current status on the island impacts the sideways stories- I deduce that Jin and Sun are not married in LA because they are currently separarted on the island and have been for 3 (and thirty) years.  Sun had to tell people Jin died (and she wasn’t entirely sure she was wrong) but came back to the island to try to find him…. Jin after jumping back and forth in time could not be sure he’d see Sun again- and even now that they are finally- on the same island in the same time period they still haven’t reunited…. So- I guess that means no marriage yet in the sideways story…

See, I was thinking about that after I watched the entire episode. And it would seem that my theory is almost right. They wouldn't be married.
But the twist for me is this:

The name Kwon is on the wall and Jin asks if it means him or Sun. So they were married before the flight, but when the flight lands they aren't?
Does that mean the time traveling actually went back further but we haven't seen it yet?
And did I miss something? Do you remember the episode from last season where Jin goes and buys the big teddy bear? I don't remember how that played out... (fill me in please Q - I don't have last season on dvd yet.)

Interesting since- Sun was originally coming to LA to escape her marriage- she learned English before the trip and I remember, in the LAX ep- when Jin is first stopped at customs the agent asking Sun if she understood English and that look that said yes but I can’t reveal that I do cuz he’s not supposed to know that I can…..  man I want to go back and watch season one so badly now cuz it was sooooo good.

Like you, I think I am going to sit down once I have all of the seasons and watch it from start to finish.
It looked like Sun knew english, but with them now not being married, why would she learn english? She wasn't trying to get away - she was going for a shopping trip secretly with Jin while he did her father's business. Of course, she didn't realize the power her father actually had.

We know that Jin makes it to the restaurant in Sayid’s version of events but maybe there is a later meeting coming up…. will have to watch for that….
Interesting that Sayid claims to feel nothing tho- in his sideways story- which came after his resurrection- he was able to still feel stuff…. I love tha Fred “Chip Lowell” Koehler is in this ep!
“Hey don’t talk about bacon”   YEAH CUZ WHAT HAS BACON EVER DONE TO YOU????  ;D

There are only 6 episodes left. I have no clue how they are going to tie everything all together. They are giving us different stories, but still not explaining a dang thing! I didn't even watch the next episode preview last week because I am learning from you Q! I don't want a spoiler!

Just thought of this…. Jack called it Jacob’s Light House…..making Jacob keeper of the light…..isn’t there some sort of religious undertone in that statement?

I don't believe that those exact words are quoted however I do believe that it can be interpreted religiously. Keep in mind though that it can be interpreted for both sides. So it still doesn't answer the question of who is good and who is evil. ;)

Oops…Jin is going to the restaurant….. but first a little nookie… that was a good scene :)
Okay so how Jin got in the restaurant is now clear…  
               Why don’t you believe me? Because you’re speaking! ::D
Love that Sun can’t speak English… that scene where she rips Richard a new one is classic!!!!
Sun’s father was going to kill Jin….that’s about right- he’s always hated Jin.


OH SHYT!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!  Sun’s shot- sideways… and Desmond is back….. oh this is getting good!!!!  



I loved when Sun went off! Pure genius to actually show her losing it just a little bit!

Desmond - his part in this now confirms that the time traveling went and changed things more than we thought. Because if it didn't, Desmond should have still been sitting in his bunker clicking in the numbers. But what I am getting is that he never left for the island and he and Penny might have gotten married instead of him walking away and leaving her...

I wonder about that because Austin most definitely was still on the wall--- I wonder if something happened to kate that we are unaware of or if.... like i said oh four weeks or so ago- if kate's raising Aaron....and giving him her name.....if that means he is now the Austin on the wall. 


I get what you are saying - but how the heck are they going to fit in getting Aaron to the island in only 6 episodes? Not to mention that in sideways - Kate doesn't have Aaron, Claire still does. ;)

Wow...this is fun reading about the episode that hasn't yet aired over here (it will be on tv this Thursday)... :)


Sorry gibbo! I know you read ahead - I wish your schedule was on with ours!
Do you have a take on it that we might be missing?

welll Tam broke it down so thoroughly you don't even have to watch it... I can't imagine how long it took her cuz half the ep was subtitled so she must have paused it a lot to stay on top of it  :o


;D
It was <pause> type <play> type <rewind><play> watch <pause> type lmao

But it was just so dang good I couldn't pass up blogging it! ;)

I was going to try and watch the episode tonight with live blogging along with it - but there is just so much information at this point and I am only about 15 minutes into it!

This episode is obviously going to be about Desmond.
Whitmore has him.
But being brought back to the island, Desmond is married to Penny and he has a son with her - both of which Whitmore hasn't seen in years.
Whitmore explains Desmond was shot by Ben Linus but that he is no longer in the hospital. That he has been brought back to the island! Des freaks and starts to beat the crap out of Whitmore with the IV stand! Hahaha!
Whitmore talks of a son he lost to the island and how he lost Penny and his grandson to the island as well.


Anyway, there is an explanatory scene about what's going to happen to Desmond and then he is put into a box outside.
Jin wants to know what is going on and Whitmore tells him that if what he has been told is true, Desmond should be able to withstand another magnetic shock or whatever.
They turn the machine on - Des takes the magnetic field and drops to the ground

Flash to sideways world!
Desmond arrives in LA. (Thus why he was on the plane at the beginning of the season) Hello George! Yep, Fisher Stevens reprises his roll as George Minkowski!!!
Of course he works for Whitmore, he isn't married to Penny and so he doesn't have a son, and now he has to go and 'Babysit' the bassist for Whitmore's son's favorite band - Drive Shaft!
Enter CHARLIE!!! (see I knew his story line wasn't over) ;)
Charlie tells Des that he saw true love. He saw it right when he was about to die from choking on the bag of heroine. He saw a blonde who was so ravishingly beautiful, and he knew that they knew each other. That they had been in love. He saw it all play out in his head until the stupid doctor was over him asking him if he was ok.
Des gets Charlie to agree to go with him by a choice - leave and his musical career will be ruined or go with him and Whitmore will owe Charlie a favor.
Charlie goes with Des.
Then Charlie gives Des a choice. See what real love looks like or get out of the car.
Des laughs and Charlie pulls the wheel, they struggle and finally crash into the harbor.
Des tries to save Charlie but has to go up for air.
When he comes back down, he sees Charlie looking through the glass and his hand is placed to the window...
Des sees "Not Penny's Boat" on Charlie's hand - he visions it exactly as it happened when Charlie Died!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Des shakes himself out of it, gets Charlie out of the car and swims him to shore....

Des is put into a Cat Scan machine.
And he sees the same image of Charlie, then the images flash to him and Penny, Penny kissing him, Penny delivering the baby, he hears Penny calls his name.
He freaks and wants out of the Cat scan!
And he says "I need to find the man I came in here with"
Of course the nurse won't help him and a doctor walks by - none other than Jack.

Charlie comes running through the halls in his hospital gown, Des chases him down into a corner.
Des makes Charlie show him his hands, and Charlie realizes that Des saw true love too.
Des asks him who Penny is and of course Charlie doesn't know.
So Des tries to get Charlie to go with him but Charlie says that a stupid rock concert doesn't mean anything to him - all that matters is the love.

{My theory - the two worlds will collide when each almost dies and they realize something was erased from their minds. Both sets of people - the island people and the sideways people - have to be back on the island!!!}

Charlie tells Des to stop worrying about him and start looking for Penny.

Des is to go meet the Bosses wife to tell her that Charlie is not coming in order to do the concert.
And who is the bosses wife?? Eloise Hawking - Daniel Faraday's Mother!!!
Des introduces himself to Mrs. Whitmore and the look on her face of recognition, startlement and I believe almost fear! (This chick KNOWS!!!)
She quickly regroups.
Des explains that Drive Shaft will not preform.
Another look on her face - I can't even explain what the look is...
But she tells Des not to worry about it.
Her son will understand. Haha!
Des is somewhat shocked because he expected her to be angry.

Des is leaving and he hears the guest list "Penny 1 - solo"
He asks to see the list and Eloise says absolutely not.
But Des keeps on and she finally says "Come with me"
She explains stuff to him that Des doesn't even understand.
She tells him whatever he is looking for, he needs to stop. It is in violation.
She says he has everything he could ever want, most of all the approval of Charlies Whitmore. Des asks her how she knows what he wants... she says "I just do"./
And that he can't see the list because he is "not ready yet Desmond."

SHYT!!!!! She has fricken altered the past, she has a huge part in the sideways and the time travel. B!tch is controlling! I knew she was in on it from the moment she looked at Desmond! This is finally starting to unravel!!

Des goes back to the limo and asks for alcohol.
The driver asks him where to and Des says to just drive.

Enter "Daniel, Daniel Whitmore"
Mr. Hume - we need to talk!

So yes, as we knew - Daniel is Whitmore's Son.

Faraday asks Des if he believe in love at first sight.
And then he explains that he has seen the love of his life.
And that's when things got weird for him.
He dreampt that night and when he woke up he drew out things that he has no idea what they mean "I'm a musician" lol
It is quantum mechanics - and only someone who has been studying them his entire life would understand them.

A lot of info here so I will try and be brief.
Faraday says to imagine that something happens or builds up and the energy needs to be released - it would be like setting off a Nuclear Bomb!
Des asks if Faraday wants to set off a bomb.
"What if, this, all this, what if this wasn't supposed to be our life? What if we had some other life but for some reason we changed things? I don't want to set off a nuclear bomb Mr. Hume - I think I already did."

Des says he isn't part of this, but Faraday asks him why he was asking his mom about a girl named Penny. "It happened to you too didn't it?"
Des says he doesn't know what he felt but that she is an idea...
Faraday says "No Mr. Hume - she is my half-sister. And I can tell you exactly where and when you can find her."

Des goes to a football stadium to find Penny running laps of the stairs.
He asks her if she is Penny, she says yes.
He says "Hello, I'm Desmond"
They shake hands and.......

Flip back to the island!!!!!!! AARGH!

Des is laying on the floor of the box, the guys come in and they are amazed that he is ok.
(He saw sideways world while he was unconscious!!)
Whitmore is about to explain what he wants Des to do - but Des says it's ok.
"You said you beought me to the island to do something important. When do we start?"

{Des KNOWS!!!!!!!!!! He has to be the interceptor or something from when HWHYTBN tries to leave! But Des only knows he wants to do this in order to save his life with Penny and not be memory scrubbed/time boggled into another life!!!}

Zoe wants to know what happened to Des.
She thinks the magnetic thing fried his brain.

Sayid sneeks up behind, kills one guy and points a gun at Zoe and tells her to run!
"Desmond I don't have time to explain but these people are extremely dangerous. We need to go now"
Des - "Why of course, lead the way" with a smile on his face.

Flip to sideways
It appears that Des fainted after shaking Penny's hand.
Penny asks if they have met before.
Des asks her to go for a coffee "What now? Ia m a sweaty mess"
"I just fainted in front of you"
Penny tells him she will meet him at a coffee shop in an hour.
Des leaves the stadium and gets in the limo.
George says if there is anything Des needs he will do it.
Des asks for the manifest of the names of passengers for Oceanic flight 815
George asks what he needs it for.
Des replies "I just need to show them something"

OUT!

Gah! I knew it right from when Charlie made Des see! Des is going to go and try and make everyone on the flight realize that there was a different life for them - one that has been altered. Essentially it is sideways, because what they did on the island affected and still affects what happens over there. Des changed his mind about helping Whitmore, and so he also changed his mind about love at first sight. He is going to go with Sayid and so he is going to pursue what Eloise told him not to. Brilliant. This is so coming together. I am truly excited!

5 episodes left!!!

hmmmm  Tam has been busy!  :o  :D

See, I was thinking about that after I watched the entire episode. And it would seem that my theory is almost right. They wouldn't be married.
But the twist for me is this:

The name Kwon is on the wall and Jin asks if it means him or Sun. So they were married before the flight, but when the flight lands they aren't?
Does that mean the time traveling actually went back further but we haven't seen it yet?
And did I miss something? Do you remember the episode from last season where Jin goes and buys the big teddy bear? I don't remember how that played out... (fill me in please Q - I don't have last season on dvd yet.)




Sun and Jin most definitely were married in season one... Sun fell in love with the valet/bellboy or whatever Jin's job was at her daddy's hotel... Daddy said Jin wasn't good enough but eventually resigned to the idea and pulled Jin into the mob business because if he was going to marry his daughter he was going to have to be able to provide for her as well (or some shyt like that.)

anyway- Sun didn't like the man Jin had become so she went to an old friend to learn english because she was going to leave Jin and move to the US.... she also had an affair with that dude who was like the korean Billy Zane or something.

Anyway- Jin finds Sun at the airport, because he is going to take that watch to some dude in LA... that part was in season one- its quite possible daddy dearest had also ordered a hit on Jin- he really hated him...  anyway- Sun and Jin reconciled on the island...

but they were not in a good place when they got on the plane- and Sun was preggers but we didn't know if Jin or Korean Billy Zane was the daddy... turns out it is Jin's kid. 

As for the big arsed stuffed animal- That was a split timeline story.... Sun was having the baby after the Oceanic 6 were rescued in the "present"  Jin was racing to deliver his congrats to some business associate in the past.

Anyway- I still contend that the fact that they are separated on the island now and have been for the last 3 (and 30) years...... is why  they are not married in the sideways story. 

 


Like you, I think I am going to sit down once I have all of the seasons and watch it from start to finish.
It looked like Sun knew english, but with them now not being married, why would she learn english? She wasn't trying to get away - she was going for a shopping trip secretly with Jin while he did her father's business. Of course, she didn't realize the power her father actually had.

Actually now that I think about it... I don't know if she does speak English in the sideways storyline... think about it- in LAX which was the first one where the plane lands- we see everyone disembark....(can you disembark a plane or do you only disembark boats?)  anyway- everyone is now in the airport and the customs woman is asking Sun if she understands English.... we, using what we know from season one, assume Sun does speak English but cannot let Jin know- because that's what happened on the island... but  since they are not married Sun has no desire to leave Jin yet  so she has no need to learn English so she may not understand English at all...  we took that look of confusion on Sun's face and misread it for fear.



There are only 6 episodes left. I have no clue how they are going to tie everything all together. They are giving us different stories, but still not explaining a dang thing! I didn't even watch the next episode preview last week because I am learning from you Q! I don't want a spoiler!

It's better this way right?  because I always find myself going- okay the scene where so and so says this hasn't happened yet so of course he's going to really fall off the cliff....  ;)



I don't believe that those exact words are quoted however I do believe that it can be interpreted religiously. Keep in mind though that it can be interpreted for both sides. So it still doesn't answer the question of who is good and who is evil. ;)

I guess "Keeper of the Light" just sounds religious!  ;D


I loved when Sun went off! Pure genius to actually show her losing it just a little bit!


I just love how a when a woman is pissed off it doesn't matter if she's speaking English or Korean.....you just know you better watch out!  ;D


Desmond - his part in this now confirms that the time traveling went and changed things more than we thought. Because if it didn't, Desmond should have still been sitting in his bunker clicking in the numbers. But what I am getting is that he never left for the island and he and Penny might have gotten married instead of him walking away and leaving her...

not commenting on this cuz I'm sure after last night's ep you've changed your POV....  ;)

I get what you are saying - but how the heck are they going to fit in getting Aaron to the island in only 6 episodes? Not to mention that in sideways - Kate doesn't have Aaron, Claire still does. ;)


aw but in the sideways eps the names on the cave don't matter.... except... then Jack's son can't be the Shepherd on the wall cuz he doesn't exist otherwise.... hmmmm.... my head hurts now....


when the hell did kate get erased from the wall?  or more importantly.....WHY? 

;D
It was <pause> type <play> type <rewind><play> watch <pause> type lmao

But it was just so dang good I couldn't pass up blogging it! ;)


;D

I'm glad you did- reading your recap was like watching the ep again only less time consuming!

Enter CHARLIE!!! (see I knew his story line wasn't over) ;)



I'm so happy for you!  ;D

{My theory - the two worlds will collide when each almost dies and they realize something was erased from their minds. Both sets of people - the island people and the sideways people - have to be back on the island!!!}



hmmmm I'm not sure I follow this but maybe you will explain further.

Sun and Jin most definitely were married in season one... Sun fell in love with the valet/bellboy or whatever Jin's job was at her daddy's hotel... Daddy said Jin wasn't good enough but eventually resigned to the idea and pulled Jin into the mob business because if he was going to marry his daughter he was going to have to be able to provide for her as well (or some shyt like that.)

anyway- Sun didn't like the man Jin had become so she went to an old friend to learn english because she was going to leave Jin and move to the US.... she also had an affair with that dude who was like the korean Billy Zane or something.

Anyway- Jin finds Sun at the airport, because he is going to take that watch to some dude in LA... that part was in season one- its quite possible daddy dearest had also ordered a hit on Jin- he really hated him...  anyway- Sun and Jin reconciled on the island...

but they were not in a good place when they got on the plane- and Sun was preggers but we didn't know if Jin or Korean Billy Zane was the daddy... turns out it is Jin's kid.  

As for the big arsed stuffed animal- That was a split timeline story.... Sun was having the baby after the Oceanic 6 were rescued in the "present"  Jin was racing to deliver his congrats to some business associate in the past.

Anyway- I still contend that the fact that they are separated on the island now and have been for the last 3 (and 30) years...... is why  they are not married in the sideways story.  

Right - ok I knew most of that it was just the teddy bear thing that had me baffled. I couldn't remember what the story line was to it and I still don't really get it. lol

And yes, I concur that they are not and have not being married for 3 and 30 years.  

Actually now that I think about it... I don't know if she does speak English in the sideways storyline... think about it- in LAX which was the first one where the plane lands- we see everyone disembark....(can you disembark a plane or do you only disembark boats?)  anyway- everyone is now in the airport and the customs woman is asking Sun if she understands English.... we, using what we know from season one, assume Sun does speak English but cannot let Jin know- because that's what happened on the island... but  since they are not married Sun has no desire to leave Jin yet  so she has no need to learn English so she may not understand English at all...  we took that look of confusion on Sun's face and misread it for fear.

We did confuse it for sure.

It's better this way right?  because I always find myself going- okay the scene where so and so says this hasn't happened yet so of course he's going to really fall off the cliff....  ;)


I guess "Keeper of the Light" just sounds religious!  ;D


I just love how a when a woman is pissed off it doesn't matter if she's speaking English or Korean.....you just know you better watch out!  ;D

Exactly! I remember my grandmother used to go off in her Native Tongue and I knew enough to stay the heck away! ;D

not commenting on this cuz I'm sure after last night's ep you've changed your POV....  ;)



I need to comment on this but will do it in a separate post. My POV has most definitely changed, as have my theories since thinking about it a lot today. ;)

aw but in the sideways eps the names on the cave don't matter.... except... then Jack's son can't be the Shepherd on the wall cuz he doesn't exist otherwise.... hmmmm.... my head hurts now....


when the hell did kate get erased from the wall?  or more importantly.....WHY? 





I have no recollection whatsoever on how or why her name is no longer on the wall. :-\\ ???
I suppose I could go check the Lost chat groups to see if I can come up with anything, but that just isn't my style. Perhaps we have yet to find out why her name isn't there anymore.
And I have absolutely no theory on it!

I'm so happy for you!  ;D


Charlie's role was too big to just let him go out in a barely there scene on the plane, to his brother trying to bail him out. They couldn't just leave it like that. And now, if they don't show him again, I am still satisfied. He is essentially the character that brought to light in sideways world that something else was going on - that it is something bigger than himself. He helped Des to understand, and so he has succeeded in his part. 8)

Plus - I love Dominic! ♥

hmmmm I'm not sure I follow this but maybe you will explain further.


Ok, lets see if I can put it into words. My brain is rather frazzled over trying to figure it out for myself! ;D

So, as of right now, Charlie, Daniel and Desmond know that there is something wrong with their current lives. This leads Desmond to now search out the other passengers on the flight and show them what they are missing.
Taking that - Des will interact with each person, namely the chief characters, and they will all, rather quickly (because there are only 5 episodes left) piece it together and figure out that their lives have been altered. I don't suspect that they will all have to get to the island, but that their lives will crash with each other on the island - if that makes sense. Something big, catastrophic needs to happen in order for the two worlds to collide. That event will undoubtedly take place with HWHYTBN and Whitmore.

Now, here is where my POV has changed. (Sorry if I lose you in my ramblings)

(1)
Eloise has, without a doubt, been time traveling. Doing so from the technology that her son created.
She knew Daniel was going to die on the island.
She also knew that she did not end up with Whitmore because of how past events turned out.
She told them initially to detonate the bomb.
Did she know it would send them back 30 years? Who knows.
But because she was time traveling, she had the opportunity to change the future.
Which it appears from last nights episode, that is exactly what she did!
So that she would still have her son, he didn't create the legendary time travel and she married Whitmore.
(And this could explain why Kate's name is no longer in the cave - because history has been re-written)

(2)
When Oceanic Flight 815 crashed on the island, it was supposed to play out a certain way. Each of the survivors had a certain role to play.
But no one told the survivors this. And no one suspected the survivors to be so tenacious and crafty.
It didn't play out the way it was supposed to - and so the future didn't happen the way it was written.
Thus why Eloise has been able to meddle, and why there is now chaos on the island.
So now they have to make right what they did wrong in order to bring back the calm that it was before.

(3)
HWHYTBN/Smoke is not alien, nor someone, nor anything like that.
Essentially, it's real name is "Time Travel"
Because if the blue prints/actuality of it gets off the island, everyone just might cease to be.
Anyone will be able to time travel and re-write history, thus changing  everything that went wrong in each of their respective lives.
People will exist to be.
Greed does a lot to those who want everything, and no matter what slightly insignificant thing we change, it changes A LOT in the Grand Scheme of things. Including love.
Love saves people.
But greed can over rule love.

(4)
IMO this is no longer about good vs. evil.
It is about right vs. wrong - and yes I know the two can be relatively the same, but they can also be totally different.
...



Yeah, like I said, I have fried my brain I think! lol

Right - ok I knew most of that it was just the teddy bear thing that had me baffled. I couldn't remember what the story line was to it and I still don't really get it. lol





Let's see.... Jin is running around with that damn bear desperate to get to the hospital.... I think we spent the whole ep going wtf?!? cuz he was still on the island and Sun was home- but it turns out that the Jin we were following was in 2002 or something....way before the plane ride and island....




And yes, I concur that they are not and have not being married for 3 and 30 years. 

cook...


We did confuse it for sure.



I don't think we confused it... I think it was brilliant writing- we had no way of knowing at the time of LAX how the sideways stories were going to play out so we used the knowledge we had from the past (season one) to inform the present (season 6 ep one). It really was brilliant because now we are like- 'wait this challenges everything we know'  and i love it!!!



Exactly! I remember my grandmother used to go off in her Native Tongue and I knew enough to stay the heck away! ;D


Yeah... my dutch grandmother used to say this one word that always set of in fits of giggles but never to her face.



I need to comment on this but will do it in a separate post. My POV has most definitely changed, as have my theories since thinking about it a lot today. ;)

oh I got interrupted by the Chief of Police.... so now that I've done his project I will continue where I left off... 

I have no recollection whatsoever on how or why her name is no longer on the wall. :-\\ ???
I suppose I could go check the Lost chat groups to see if I can come up with anything, but that just isn't my style. Perhaps we have yet to find out why her name isn't there anymore.
And I have absolutely no theory on it!


I'll check it later... .

Des is to go meet the Bosses wife to tell her that Charlie is not coming in order to do the concert.
And who is the bosses wife?? Eloise Hawking - Daniel Faraday's Mother!!!
Des introduces himself to Mrs. Whitmore and the look on her face of recognition, startlement and I believe almost fear! (This chick KNOWS!!!)
She quickly regroups.
Des explains that Drive Shaft will not preform.



hmmm I didn't notice the look on her face... I think I closed my eyes for a second so I have to go rewatch that moment.... 

Des is laying on the floor of the box, the guys come in and they are amazed that he is ok.
(He saw sideways world while he was unconscious!!)



Here's something interesting.... I think that's why Sun only speaks Korean now... her conscious self still understands English but when she lost consciousness she (merged or morphed or something) with her sideways self and that's why she can't speak English now...

and Desmond, because he always- well since the electromagnetic exposure- had this time shifting/jumping ability- so perhaps his ability make him more receptive or sensitive to what's going own...



{Des KNOWS!!!!!!!!!! He has to be the interceptor or something from when HWHYTBN tries to leave! But Des only knows he wants to do this in order to save his life with Penny and not be memory scrubbed/time boggled into another life!!!}

This is perhaps the only real useful thing to come out of the episode.




George says if there is anything Des needs he will do it.
Des asks for the manifest of the names of passengers for Oceanic flight 815
George asks what he needs it for.
Des replies "I just need to show them something"


This bit intrigues me.... I want to know if Desmond I'm interested to find out what happens once he contacts everyone in question... will they ultimately become aware of their altered state of consciousness or whatever it is that's going on with them...  really its fascinating... can't wait for next week but I want to move forward not tread water for 22 out of 41 minutes....which is what I felt happened last night.

Ok, lets see if I can put it into words. My brain is rather frazzled over trying to figure it out for myself! ;D

So, as of right now, Charlie, Daniel and Desmond know that there is something wrong with their current lives. This leads Desmond to now search out the other passengers on the flight and show them what they are missing.
Taking that - Des will interact with each person, namely the chief characters, and they will all, rather quickly (because there are only 5 episodes left) piece it together and figure out that their lives have been altered. I don't suspect that they will all have to get to the island, but that their lives will crash with each other on the island - if that makes sense. Something big, catastrophic needs to happen in order for the two worlds to collide. That event will undoubtedly take place with HWHYTBN and Whitmore.

Now, here is where my POV has changed. (Sorry if I lose you in my ramblings)

(1)
Eloise has, without a doubt, been time traveling. Doing so from the technology that her son created.
She knew Daniel was going to die on the island.
She also knew that she did not end up with Whitmore because of how past events turned out.
She told them initially to detonate the bomb.
Did she know it would send them back 30 years? Who knows.
But because she was time traveling, she had the opportunity to change the future.
Which it appears from last nights episode, that is exactly what she did!
So that she would still have her son, he didn't create the legendary time travel and she married Whitmore.
(And this could explain why Kate's name is no longer in the cave - because history has been re-written)

(2)
When Oceanic Flight 815 crashed on the island, it was supposed to play out a certain way. Each of the survivors had a certain role to play.
But no one told the survivors this. And no one suspected the survivors to be so tenacious and crafty.
It didn't play out the way it was supposed to - and so the future didn't happen the way it was written.
Thus why Eloise has been able to meddle, and why there is now chaos on the island.
So now they have to make right what they did wrong in order to bring back the calm that it was before.

(3)
HWHYTBN/Smoke is not alien, nor someone, nor anything like that.
Essentially, it's real name is "Time Travel"
Because if the blue prints/actuality of it gets off the island, everyone just might cease to be.
Anyone will be able to time travel and re-write history, thus changing  everything that went wrong in each of their respective lives.
People will exist to be.
Greed does a lot to those who want everything, and no matter what slightly insignificant thing we change, it changes A LOT in the Grand Scheme of things. Including love.
Love saves people.
But greed can over rule love.

(4)
IMO this is no longer about good vs. evil.
It is about right vs. wrong - and yes I know the two can be relatively the same, but they can also be totally different.
...



Yeah, like I said, I have fried my brain I think! lol



you totally fried my brain for sure!  ;D

I like number two...
I see what you mean about 4

I'm not so sure about 3.... and um.... 1? One makes my head hurt  :D

this thread is two eps behind!

The first was the Hugo sideways story....

basically Hurley saw libby in the sideways story and thru a series of events came to realize that he knew her (loved her) in an alternate universe....

Some stuff happened on the island too...most notably Alana got blown up, and Jack deferred to Hurley's leadership.... oh and the two groups came together...


that's all I remember...

this week-

all the sideways stories seemed to converge just when all the people came together on the island.....

Sawyer decided to break from "Locke" and get the group (sans Sayid and Claire) to Widmore...
Widmore wants Desmond back and Locke asks Sayid to kill Desmond
Locke walks the group to a meeting point so they can go to Hydra island but with sawyer's betrayal he will have to find an alternate route...
in the meantime... Sun and Jin reunite and sawyer, kate, sun, Jin and the pilot are taken hostage...oh yeah clarie too cuz kate insisted she come too despite Sawyers complaints.
Jack was going to go with them but he feels like there's something wrong so he jumps off the boat and rejoins locke....um- just as his sideways self is about to operate on him...

anyway- its a good thing Jack is on the other side otherwise they'd all be captured.

How many eps left? Three? still confused but I'm sticking with it!

BTW... .HOW MUCH DID I LOVE THE PROMO FOR THE EP THE LAST RECRUIT???  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKCc4NlrjY&feature=related

OH MY GOD!!!!!    PETER DON'T READ THIS>>>> MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!
















I cannot believe that Sun & Jin just got killed off....what the hell!!!
At least they died together but still...

We now know- without a doubt- that Not-Locke is one evil dude.... thing is I think Jack was right....Sort of like with Richard in the when the dynamite didn't blow....had sawyer left the explosives alone it would not have detonated....but then again....if Not-Locke knew they would pull the wires triggering the explosion then isn't he still....somehow...responsible for their death...

technically I guess he's responsible for Sayid's death but Sayid was technically already dead... I am so confused again...where's TAM!!!!




Next week will give us the answers (I hope) to the balance of good and evil on the island....can't wait!

Too late...but I deliberately come here to find out what is going to happen next week. But something has gone horribly wrong with this practice. We now seem to be in sync. I watched LOST last Wednesday night and those events occurred (the bomb blast on the sub...Jin and Sun's demise etc). You guys must have skipped a week somewhere.... :-\\

Luckily, I can always go and check out the Survivor thread. ....and ....I see Danielle was voted off. Should make good viewing Tuesday night. I can't believe the Heroes survived another week... ;)

Too late...but I deliberately come here to find out what is going to happen next week. But something has gone horribly wrong with this practice. We now seem to be in sync. I watched LOST last Wednesday night and those events occurred (the bomb blast on the sub...Jin and Sun's demise etc). You guys must have skipped a week somewhere.... :-\\

Luckily, I can always go and check out the Survivor thread. ....and ....I see Danielle was voted off. Should make good viewing Tuesday night. I can't believe the Heroes survived another week... ;)


okay how much do I love that U  just admitted to watching heroes??

Anywho we actually had a rerun the previous week so yeah apparently we're in sync. Yay. 

okay how much do I love that U  just admitted to watching heroes??

Anywho we actually had a rerun the previous week so yeah apparently we're in sync. Yay. 


Why the surprize?  This season of survivor has more drama and twists and turns than LOST does....and that's saying something!  :o

Why the surprize?  This season of survivor has more drama and twists and turns than LOST does....and that's saying something!  :o


very very true.

And by surprise I meant in a delightful way.

I'm always happy to find a fellow survivor fan

very very true.

And by surprise I meant in a delightful way.

I'm always happy to find a fellow survivor fan


I watched the first three series in their entirety...but only watched the subsequent series sporadically. Always managed to check out most series near the end though (after all the weak players were voted off).

I'll miss Amanda.... ::)

I watched the first three series in their entirety...but only watched the subsequent series sporadically. Always managed to check out most series near the end though (after all the weak players were voted off).

I'll miss Amanda.... ::)

;D

Q!  Synopsis of the last episode please. :)

Q!  Synopsis of the last episode please. :)


I just watched.... um.... aside from the fact that its destined to be a classic .... I am still working it out...


here lets try my process here....


Um... Alison Janney is nuts and knows, I suppose the way Jacob and What's-his-face always knew about the ship and the plane, that a preggers Claudia was coming to the island.  Perhaps Claudia's name was written on a cave somewhere... just kidding I'm sure Jacob wrote the names down but you get the idea.... the arrival of Claudia was foretold and her unborn twins were both Candidates....

I assume this has been going on since the beginning of time... "Mother" was a candidate. there was probably someone before her... maybe not...

anyway- the twins are candidates... I guess only Jacob was named because Claudia died before naming her second born (funny-the actor playing him is 49 and the actor playing jacob is 44) anyway---  Janney is only called mother. #2 is only called him, he or your brother...  ::)


I'm still stuck on this balance of good v. evil thing because-

a) Allison Janney murders Claudia so that she can raise (ie control) the potential candidates...

b) Jacob is honest and "good" so pure but he is prone to acting without thinking...acting out in rage....granted both times were against his brother to protect his mother's "good" name and to avenge her death.....but still he seems pure and his whole existence/belief system based is faith-based.

c) The Unnamed One  ::)  is "evil" but why is he evil? He is evil because he's curious...he asks questions rather than accepting on faith....he is Jack (I mean when you think about it... Jack never accepted anything and kept resisting and changing the way things are.... that would make Locke Jacob...but interesting that in the end the unnamed died and ultimately reemerges as the embodiment of his brother....or somesheesh like that. )  anyway- he doesn't want to accept the way things are...he sees the sea and wants to know what lies beyond it... he wants to explore the universe, live life and learn for himself what's right and wrong...

what happens when he expresses his desire to explore rather than accept? His mom "kills" him... he then kills her leading to Jacob "killing" him and unleashing the smoke monster... yeah I have no idea what happened here.. and if Tam would ever catch up maybe we could piece it together---- together... I'd suggest a lost finale viewing party but we're all in different time zones....

Ok Q - getting caught up while I fix a computer. ;)

"The Last Recruit"

Starts off with HWHYTBN and Jack talking.

I think what I will do is watch the whole episode and then write - of course that could change when I hit a good part! ;)

Ok Q - getting caught up while I fix a computer. ;)

"The Last Recruit"

Starts off with HWHYTBN and Jack talking.

I think what I will do is watch the whole episode and then write - of course that could change when I hit a good part! ;)



YAY!!!!!

this thread is two eps behind!

The first was the Hugo sideways story....

basically Hurley saw libby in the sideways story and thru a series of events came to realize that he knew her (loved her) in an alternate universe....

Some stuff happened on the island too...most notably Alana got blown up, and Jack deferred to Hurley's leadership.... oh and the two groups came together...



What I found interesting was that neither Hugo nor Libby had to almost die in order to realize they knew each other in an alternate reality. All it took was a simple kiss for Hugo to remember something. I had actually forgotten that Libby would have been in an asylum because of the death of her husband. (did she have a child too? - can't remember)

Desmond willingly went with Sayid to HWHYTBN. Which ultimately led to Des being thrown down the well. To me - this proves that HWHYTBN is scared shytless of Des. The first sign of any real 'emotion' if you will, from it.

Here is what I see now from this episode - Des is trying to get everyone together, be it in the hospital or out, in order for all of them to realize they all know each other. The pairings are kind of weird, but perhaps it has to do with who has/had the strongest connections to each other while on the island. I know I am going out on a limb here, but I hope soon they start to give me the good information.

And yes, I thought it was freaking fantastic how Alana was blown to bits! Shows that she was just another pawn for Jacob. ;)

this week-

all the sideways stories seemed to converge just when all the people came together on the island.....

Sawyer decided to break from "Locke" and get the group (sans Sayid and Claire) to Widmore...
Widmore wants Desmond back and Locke asks Sayid to kill Desmond
Locke walks the group to a meeting point so they can go to Hydra island but with sawyer's betrayal he will have to find an alternate route...
in the meantime... Sun and Jin reunite and sawyer, kate, sun, Jin and the pilot are taken hostage...oh yeah clarie too cuz kate insisted she come too despite Sawyers complaints.
Jack was going to go with them but he feels like there's something wrong so he jumps off the boat and rejoins locke....um- just as his sideways self is about to operate on him...

anyway- its a good thing Jack is on the other side otherwise they'd all be captured.

How many eps left? Three? still confused but I'm sticking with it!




Ok The Last Recruit

It opens with Sun and Locke being taken to the hospital, side by side and Sun flips when she sees that it is Locke...
Of course, now Locke is going to be operated on most likely by none other than the best spinal doctor there is! Saw that one coming a mile away. Now if my theory holds about people having the strongest connection to one another being reminded in pairs - then we should see Jack and Locke reconnect/remember.

HWHYTBN sends Sayid out to kill Des in the well. Do I think Des is dead? Of course not. Nor do I believe now that Sayid is fully gone to the 'dark side'. Sideways shows Sayid being caught by Sawyer (yummy) ... who knows how that is going to pan out.

And sideways shows how Jack finds out that Claire is his sister. If they would only tell us about his son David - I will be happy.

Sun gets her English back when she sees Jin, and I must admit that I had this really weird wet stuff falling out of my eyes and rolling down my face. Anyone know what that could possibly be? lol

And yeah, it appears that Whitmore has decided to not honor his agreement with Sawyer. I don't know that I believe it though. I think it might have something to do with the fact that they brought Claire with them. Or that Whitmore is going to use them as pawns in order to get HWHYTBN to come over to Hydra Island so Whitmore can blow it to smithereens! All I know is that he unleashed hell with the missiles. Which actually confuses me a bit. If compasses and cells and gps and radio towers didn't work on the island, how can the tracking device or homing beacon that HWHYTBN apparently smashed, work? Shouldn't it be the same for all? Deep thoughts.

This episode was ok but I don't think they really answered ANYTHING at all. And it is possible that they gave info for a set-up in the next couple, but seriously, I think I just wasted an hour.

OH MY GOD!!!!!    PETER DON'T READ THIS>>>> MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!
















I cannot believe that Sun & Jin just got killed off....what the hell!!!
At least they died together but still...

We now know- without a doubt- that Not-Locke is one evil dude.... thing is I think Jack was right....Sort of like with Richard in the when the dynamite didn't blow....had sawyer left the explosives alone it would not have detonated....but then again....if Not-Locke knew they would pull the wires triggering the explosion then isn't he still....somehow...responsible for their death...

technically I guess he's responsible for Sayid's death but Sayid was technically already dead... I am so confused again...where's TAM!!!!




Next week will give us the answers (I hope) to the balance of good and evil on the island....can't wait!


Ok, this episode left me in tears yet again.
First of all the sideways world really has me going huh. I get that Locke and his dad might have had an entirely different relationship, but I am sure that Locke's explanation to Jack about the airplane accident was pure BS. I have a feeling that sideways Locke isn't even Locke - could it be HWHYTBN? I don't know. In thinking like this though it would also explain why Sun reacted as she did when she saw Locke on the gurney next to her going to the hospital.

So many different betrayals in this episode too.
Jack betrays Sawyer
Sawyer betrays HWHYTBN
Whitmore betrays Sawyer
Sayid betrays HWHYTBN
Kate betrays Claire - unintentionally
and so on

Sun and Jin dying - brutal!
However they gave us something... We knew they were going to die... yet in sideways we see Jin pass Locke and Jack taking flowers to Sun's room... and yet we don't actually see them dead, all we see are their hands floating holding each other and then they let go. I do not for one second believe that this was the last we will see of them. It is definitely shocking to think that they would write off such prominent characters. Neither have other shows they are doing like Dominic - so I say we will see them again! I don't think I have enough tears left in me if it is true.

I don't know that I agree about the dynamite. I think HWHYTBN's original concoction would not have killed them, but once Sawyer pulled the sides out - it was no longer HWHYTBN bomb. It became Sawyer's bomb and Sawyer can definitely kill. But let me say this: Sayid was never bad! For him to take the bomb and run, without a second thought about what HWHYTBN had promised him, on top of him not killing Des - proves that nothing in that water so much as harmed the genuine person that was inside him. Sayid was a good man. And of course, I do not believe that we have seen the last of him either.

As for the rest of the episode... some good shots but not a lot of information.
I think I am going to have to watch it again in order to get it more thoroughly. ;)

What I found interesting was that neither Hugo nor Libby had to almost die in order to realize they knew each other in an alternate reality. All it took was a simple kiss for Hugo to remember something. I had actually forgotten that Libby would have been in an asylum because of the death of her husband. (did she have a child too? - can't remember)


I Think that's because hugo's sensitive and stuff... ;)

I don't remember a child but then again I don;t remember much anyway  ;D

Desmond willingly went with Sayid to HWHYTBN. Which ultimately led to Des being thrown down the well. To me - this proves that HWHYTBN is scared shytless of Des. The first sign of any real 'emotion' if you will, from it.

yes but why...dammit... why!



Here is what I see now from this episode - Des is trying to get everyone together, be it in the hospital or out, in order for all of them to realize they all know each other. The pairings are kind of weird, but perhaps it has to do with who has/had the strongest connections to each other while on the island. I know I am going out on a limb here, but I hope soon they start to give me the good information.

I think we're right about how their connections on the island influence their sideways stories...


And yes, I thought it was freaking fantastic how Alana was blown to bits! Shows that she was just another pawn for Jacob. ;)



;D

Ok The Last Recruit

It opens with Sun and Locke being taken to the hospital, side by side and Sun flips when she sees that it is Locke...
Of course, now Locke is going to be operated on most likely by none other than the best spinal doctor there is! Saw that one coming a mile away. Now if my theory holds about people having the strongest connection to one another being reminded in pairs - then we should see Jack and Locke reconnect/remember.

HWHYTBN sends Sayid out to kill Des in the well. Do I think Des is dead? Of course not. Nor do I believe now that Sayid is fully gone to the 'dark side'. Sideways shows Sayid being caught by Sawyer (yummy) ... who knows how that is going to pan out.

And sideways shows how Jack finds out that Claire is his sister. If they would only tell us about his son David - I will be happy.

Sun gets her English back when she sees Jin, and I must admit that I had this really weird wet stuff falling out of my eyes and rolling down my face. Anyone know what that could possibly be? lol

And yeah, it appears that Whitmore has decided to not honor his agreement with Sawyer. I don't know that I believe it though. I think it might have something to do with the fact that they brought Claire with them. Or that Whitmore is going to use them as pawns in order to get HWHYTBN to come over to Hydra Island so Whitmore can blow it to smithereens! All I know is that he unleashed hell with the missiles. Which actually confuses me a bit. If compasses and cells and gps and radio towers didn't work on the island, how can the tracking device or homing beacon that HWHYTBN apparently smashed, work? Shouldn't it be the same for all? Deep thoughts.




1st of all... WHO THE HELL IS THE LAST RECRUIT? I mean didn't we kinda see them all already?  >:(

You know that eyewetness thing? It must be a contagious allergen or something b/c something similar happened here  ;)

This episode was ok but I don't think they really answered ANYTHING at all. And it is possible that they gave info for a set-up in the next couple, but seriously, I think I just wasted an hour.

yes yes but you had to sit thru that one to get to the really important next, WTF ep!!!

Ok, this episode left me in tears yet again.
First of all the sideways world really has me going huh. I get that Locke and his dad might have had an entirely different relationship, but I am sure that Locke's explanation to Jack about the airplane accident was pure BS. I have a feeling that sideways Locke isn't even Locke - could it be HWHYTBN? I don't know. In thinking like this though it would also explain why Sun reacted as she did when she saw Locke on the gurney next to her going to the hospital.

So many different betrayals in this episode too.
Jack betrays Sawyer
Sawyer betrays HWHYTBN
Whitmore betrays Sawyer
Sayid betrays HWHYTBN
Kate betrays Claire - unintentionally
and so on


yep, yep, yep....


Sun and Jin dying - brutal!
yep


However they gave us something... We knew they were going to die... yet in sideways we see Jin pass Locke and Jack taking flowers to Sun's room...
totally missed this part....


and yet we don't actually see them dead, all we see are their hands floating holding each other and then they let go. I do not for one second believe that this was the last we will see of them. It is definitely shocking to think that they would write off such prominent characters. Neither have other shows they are doing like Dominic - so I say we will see them again! I don't think I have enough tears left in me if it is true.

you say this like Lost is around for another season.. there's the next ep which you don't see them in at all...
the second to the last ep titled "What They Died For" so of course we'll see them.... then Sunday the 23rd is the final ep...all 2.5 hours of it.
Plus about a 2 hour recap of seasons 1-5


I don't know that I agree about the dynamite. I think HWHYTBN's original concoction would not have killed them, but once Sawyer pulled the sides out - it was no longer HWHYTBN bomb. It became Sawyer's bomb and Sawyer can definitely kill. But let me say this: Sayid was never bad! For him to take the bomb and run, without a second thought about what HWHYTBN had promised him, on top of him not killing Des - proves that nothing in that water so much as harmed the genuine person that was inside him. Sayid was a good man. And of course, I do not believe that we have seen the last of him either.


One thing's for sure...Dead is never Dead on LOST  ;D  and yeah I don't think he killed Des either but I also think "Locke' knows that.




As for the rest of the episode... some good shots but not a lot of information.
I think I am going to have to watch it again in order to get it more thoroughly. ;)




nah I can't handle it anymore I'm still waiting for some time after its over....


I am going on Saturday to an all day Lost party at Paley. They will show the pilot and the two lost paley panels....both of which I attended...
why am I going? cuz I'm a geek.....there will be prizes and tho I doubt it. I'm hoping some people show...probably only writers and producers but still that'd work for me...

Well I for one am DYING for this week's episode.  As for a finale group watch, maybe figure out the time zones and TBO and watch at the same time?

Well I for one am DYING for this week's episode.  As for a finale group watch, maybe figure out the time zones and TBO and watch at the same time?


yeah but we're talking approx 5 hours on a Sunday night. I don't get an east coast of ABC so I am regulated to 7pm... it'd be cruel of me to expect the east coasters to 

A) wait so long to see it
B) stay up so late to watch with me
C) have to endure 5 hours of commercials cuz I couldn't DVR it.

yeah but we're talking approx 5 hours on a Sunday night. I don't get an east coast of ABC so I am regulated to 7pm... it'd be cruel of me to expect the east coasters to 

A) wait so long to see it
B) stay up so late to watch with me
C) have to endure 5 hours of commercials cuz I couldn't DVR it.




....and don't worry about me. I'm one of those sad types who read the last chapter of a book ... then decide whether I'll read the rest!  I already found out who won Survivor and that show will air tonight over here...

....and don't worry about me. I'm one of those sad types who read the last chapter of a book ... then decide whether I'll read the rest!  I already found out who won Survivor and that show will air tonight over here...


;D  still a good ep to watch...

In a few hours, it all be over!

:\'(

In a few hours, it all be over!

:\'(


:\'(



I went to an event at the paley center yesterday... they screened the two paleyfest events I attended and the enhanced pilot that ABC aired last night... I watched it at 4pm PST....

They write those enhanced versions for dummies....or worse than dummies... This is Jack Shepard he is a spinal surgeon from LA. He was on a flight from Sydney that crashed on a remote mysterious island...


Later--- this is a flashback to Jack just before the plane crashed...

I'm sorry ABC... if the audience doesn't know those kind of details then maybe they shouldn't be watching the pilot the day before the finale airs....  ::)


They had Trivia questions.... about 10 from Lost (5 of which I knew the answer too but I couldn't raise my hand fast enough to answer)
The final question was a Gilligan's Isle question... I was the only one to raise my hand and I knew the answer so I won a really cool Lost Poster....which was the only prize I was interested in... I thought the poster I won was the silhouette

kinda like this...

http://www.forareasonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/LOST-Season-6-Poster.jpg

but what I got was way cooler!!!

It was this poster


http://chud.com/articles/content_images/17/LostPoster.jpg

Love the episode a lot, it was better than the one for The Sopranos.

I have mixed feelings about it.... 

It was good I just don't know if I'm satisfied....


Halfway thru the ep I decided that everyone needed to die on the island so that they could exist in this sideways world.... they would retain the memories of what had been but move forward.  But...when I say move forward... I mean continuing to exist on the same plain and grow old together.....as tho the detonation of the bomb by Juliette had indeed changed things... not made them so they didn't happen but just sort of looped around the preceding events...


anyway- this whole...sideways is limbo for heaven.... naw I wasn't expecting that at all... I mean really... its a nice thought but its a cop out and it left me with about a hundred more questions....

what happened to Kate, Sawyer & Claire when they got off the plane.... How did they explain the return Sawyer & Claire and the disappearance of the other Oceanic 6... there must have been a field day when the media learned that the survivors were in a second crash and 4 of the 6 perished but 2 of the original Oceanic survivors had suddenly been recovered.  And just how long did Hurley and Linus stay on the island.... I like the idea that just because Jacob governed the isle a particular way didn't mean that was the way it had to be done for all eternity...

Mostly I was confounded by the reveal that Juliette was the mother to Jack's son....now there's a sideways flashback I would've paid money to see....

The finale was well written and beautifully shot, edited, scored and acted. I will miss the series and yet am glad it ended before it got too old  but.... I could used about 5 more eps this season.... 

Q...

you will not believe what happened!
I knew that Lost was going to be on on Sunday but did it cross my mind to set up my dvr? Hell nah!
I was on the phone with my friend Jenn and she reminded so I managed to dvr the last hour and a half! Thankfully I know I can watch it online so I am hoping to be all caught up today. (This makes it 3 episodes behind for me. Please don't be mad!) ;)
I haven't read anything here since my last post either!

Getting to it this afternoon!
8)

Q...

you will not believe what happened!
I knew that Lost was going to be on on Sunday but did it cross my mind to set up my dvr? Hell nah!
I was on the phone with my friend Jenn and she reminded so I managed to dvr the last hour and a half! Thankfully I know I can watch it online so I am hoping to be all caught up today. (This makes it 3 episodes behind for me. Please don't be mad!) ;)
I haven't read anything here since my last post either!

Getting to it this afternoon!
8)


's okay I won't hate you.... tho are you seriously only watching 90 mins of the finale or are you gonna watch online to get the whole
thing on Hulu? The special was nice too and is avail online as well.. 

's okay I won't hate you.... tho are you seriously only watching 90 mins of the finale or are you gonna watch online to get the whole
thing on Hulu? The special was nice too and is avail online as well.. 


I am going to watch online up to where I started dvr'ing it! ;) Then I will catch the rest on my tv!
I will check out the special after I watch the 3 episodes.

Right now though I must play some Super Mario Galaxy 2 with The Son! 8)

Love this song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuQba4inleQ&feature=related

About to start "Across The Sea"

Not sure is I will get completely caught up tonight though but I am going to do my best! :)

Weird.
Some woman has washed up on the shore... pregnant.
Some other weird woman helps her (I keep picturing her in 10 things I hate about you) lol
And she goes into labor - its a boy
HIS NAME IS JACOB!!!

More pain? A TWIN!!!!!

One  had light hair, the other dark...

Then the one woman bashes in the mothers head! WTH??!!

Young kid looks like he could be Zac Efron's little brother... ;D

Light clothing, dark clothing...
Chasing a wild boar...
Kids see that there are others on the island. They killed the boar.
Mother goes on about she has made it so that the brothers cannot hurt each other? weird

The boys are taken to an alcove of light. The light must be protected. They cannot go in - but if man does, they could put it out which means the end...

I can see that HWHYTBN is definitely interested in the kight. hmmm...

About to start "Across The Sea"

Not sure is I will get completely caught up tonight though but I am going to do my best! :)


at least you're trying!!! O0

I love that you're live blogging this! LOL!!!  8)

HWHYTBN sees the "mother"
Leaves to go after her...
She wants to show him where he came from...

So, HWHYTBN is still unnamed. But he is told by the ghost of his mother about him coming from across the sea and that the others are really his people. He goes and gets Jacob - to try and leave, Jacob doesn't believe anything he says and starts to beat him up. They are separated by their fake mother, and she calls HWHYTBN "My Love" - HWHYTBN gives Jacob the choice to go with him. Jacob chooses to stay. Fake mother tries to warn HWHYTBN that he will never be able to leave the island. He balks at it. And so it starts. Whatever fake mother did to them is what binds HWHYTBN to the island.

This confuses me though because Jacob was able to leave - in order to stalk all the people he had names of...

I love that you're live blogging this! LOL!!!  8)


I am trying Q. I have to stop it and think before typing though lol

Fake mother admits to killing Jacob's mother.
She claims it was because the others are Bad, very Bad and she needed him to stay good.
Jacob asks why fake mother loves HWHYTBN more than him.
She says she loves them both in different ways then asks if Jacob will stay with her... he says he will "for a while"


Jacob is older now and has gone to play with his brother... he asks why Jacob watches them.
We see HWHYTBN for his real self...
HWHYTBN says he is leaving
Jacob says impossible
HWHYTBN throws a knife and it magnetically flies to bricks...
explanation about metal behaving weird...
HWHYTBN asks Jacob to go with him
Jacob doesn't want to leave

Jacob goes back to his mother and tells her that HWHYTBN has found a way off the island.
Fake mother goes to spy on the others...
She goes and sees HWHYTBN
(I see her trying to kill him...)

HWHYTBN tells her that he has shown the others the light...
He removes a piece of rock and shows her that the light is coming through
He explains about the wheel and turning it and he will be able to leave the island...
He says "I'm special" and that he has to go because he doesn't belong on the island.
She says this is goodbye and reaches for him, hugs him.
He says goodbye mother
she says I am so sorry

I KNEW IT!!
She grabs his head and smashes him into the wall!!!

Mother goes to Jacob and tells him it's time
She takes him to the alcove with the light and tells him he is to protect it now.
He asks what is down there and she says "... it's the source of the island ..."
He has to promise that no matter what he does, he must not go down into the light.
She gives him a glass of stuff as she chants... and tells Jacob to drink it but he doesn't want it. He doesn't want the responsibility of the island and he knows she always wanted HWHYTBN to be the one! She claims she knows now that it was always supposed to be Jacob...
He takes the glass and drinks
She says "now you and I are the same"

HWHYTBN is not dead!
Mother blew up and destroyed the well and burned down the camp, killed everyone

*my theory - HWHYTBN is going to go down into the light and that is how he becomes what he is now? Or he dies and Jacob puts him into the light and that's how he becomes what he is - I dunno.*

Jacob and mother walk through the jungle. Jacob branches off and Mother turns around with the worst look on her face.
She returns home to find things broken and disheveled and HWHYTBN game on the ground.
She is stabed through the stomach by HWHYTBN!!!!
She says I name and I couldn't get it at all!!!
Oh wait - she was trying to say thank you - then she dies.
HWHYTBN cries - Jacob walks in
Jacob beats the crap out of HWHYTBN and then drags him through the jungle.

Jacob takes HWHYTBN to the light alcove, throws him in the water and he passes out and then is sucked down into the light.
The ground shakes and out comes the Black Smoke!!! (I kind of knew it!!!)

Jacob leaves and finds his brother laying on a rock in the stream.
He takes the dead body of his brother back to the camp.
He takes the stones and places them in a bag.
Flash to Jack and Kate - Jack has the stones - flash to Jacob moving them to a grave site - flash to HWHYTBN asking "Who are these people?"

"Our very own Adam and Eve"

Fade out.

Next episode will be in a bit - then I have to catch the first hour of the finale online, then back to the DVR!

Hey TAM.... here's my synopsis of Across the Sea...so you don't have to weed thru the spoilers...


I just watched.... um.... aside from the fact that its destined to be a classic .... I am still working it out...


here lets try my process here....


Um... Alison Janney is nuts and knows, I suppose the way Jacob and What's-his-face always knew about the ship and the plane, that a preggers Claudia was coming to the island.  Perhaps Claudia's name was written on a cave somewhere... just kidding I'm sure Jacob wrote the names down but you get the idea.... the arrival of Claudia was foretold and her unborn twins were both Candidates....

I assume this has been going on since the beginning of time... "Mother" was a candidate. there was probably someone before her... maybe not...

anyway- the twins are candidates... I guess only Jacob was named because Claudia died before naming her second born (funny-the actor playing him is 49 and the actor playing jacob is 44) anyway---  Janney is only called mother. #2 is only called him, he or your brother...  ::)


I'm still stuck on this balance of good v. evil thing because-

a) Allison Janney murders Claudia so that she can raise (ie control) the potential candidates...

b) Jacob is honest and "good" so pure but he is prone to acting without thinking...acting out in rage....granted both times were against his brother to protect his mother's "good" name and to avenge her death.....but still he seems pure and his whole existence/belief system based is faith-based.

c) The Unnamed One  ::)  is "evil" but why is he evil? He is evil because he's curious...he asks questions rather than accepting on faith....he is Jack (I mean when you think about it... Jack never accepted anything and kept resisting and changing the way things are.... that would make Locke Jacob...but interesting that in the end the unnamed died and ultimately reemerges as the embodiment of his brother....or somesheesh like that. )  anyway- he doesn't want to accept the way things are...he sees the sea and wants to know what lies beyond it... he wants to explore the universe, live life and learn for himself what's right and wrong...

what happens when he expresses his desire to explore rather than accept? His mom "kills" him... he then kills her leading to Jacob "killing" him and unleashing the smoke monster... yeah I have no idea what happened here.. and if Tam would ever catch up maybe we could piece it together---- together... I'd suggest a lost finale viewing party but we're all in different time zones....

I just watched.... um.... aside from the fact that its destined to be a classic .... I am still working it out...


here lets try my process here....


Um... Alison Janney is nuts and knows, I suppose the way Jacob and What's-his-face always knew about the ship and the plane, that a preggers Claudia was coming to the island.  Perhaps Claudia's name was written on a cave somewhere... just kidding I'm sure Jacob wrote the names down but you get the idea.... the arrival of Claudia was foretold and her unborn twins were both Candidates....

I assume this has been going on since the beginning of time... "Mother" was a candidate. there was probably someone before her... maybe not...

It does give the impression that it has been an ongoing thing.

anyway- the twins are candidates... I guess only Jacob was named because Claudia died before naming her second born (funny-the actor playing him is 49 and the actor playing jacob is 44) anyway---  Janney is only called mother. #2 is only called him, he or your brother...  ::)

Of course, in the real world a child would still be named - thus the writers continue to hold us in check, not giving further information at this juncture! What bothered me the most was that Mother had always thought that HWHYTBN was supposed to be the one. She had no faith in Jacob whatsoever until it came to pass that she had to kill her other son. What gets me is that... is it so written that you must select the one to go forth, and treat the other as nothing? This is why I think Jacob did all the research and selected enough people. He also treated them all THE SAME. (At least from all of the lead up storylines, he appeared to treat them all the same.)

I'm still stuck on this balance of good v. evil thing because-

a) Allison Janney murders Claudia so that she can raise (ie control) the potential candidates...

b) Jacob is honest and "good" so pure but he is prone to acting without thinking...acting out in rage....granted both times were against his brother to protect his mother's "good" name and to avenge her death.....but still he seems pure and his whole existence/belief system based is faith-based.

c) The Unnamed One  ::)  is "evil" but why is he evil? He is evil because he's curious...he asks questions rather than accepting on faith....he is Jack (I mean when you think about it... Jack never accepted anything and kept resisting and changing the way things are.... that would make Locke Jacob...but interesting that in the end the unnamed died and ultimately reemerges as the embodiment of his brother....or somesheesh like that. )  anyway- he doesn't want to accept the way things are...he sees the sea and wants to know what lies beyond it... he wants to explore the universe, live life and learn for himself what's right and wrong...

what happens when he expresses his desire to explore rather than accept? His mom "kills" him... he then kills her leading to Jacob "killing" him and unleashing the smoke monster... yeah I have no idea what happened here.. and if Tam would ever catch up maybe we could piece it together---- together... I'd suggest a lost finale viewing party but we're all in different time zones....



Smoke Monster - when I sat an thought about this - here is what I came up with:

Mother had said that they were not to go in there. No matter what they weren't. All would cease to be for the island.
But then Jacob knocked out his brother and HWHYTBN floats down into the lighted abyss. Out comes the smoke monster...

If both Jacob and HWHYTBN were candidates, as in; it was written that they were candidates, then one entering into the place would be against what it stands for. Perhaps if both had of gone through at the same time it might have turned out to be different. Anyway, HWHYTBN enters and his *soul* is taken from the body. The fury in his soul unleashes in the light and thus the furious soul leaves, seeking revenge and ultimately a way off the dang island. Of course I could be so far off base that a black hole would fit there, but this is what I got from it.

I am frustrated that this storyline took up a whole hour - but of course I understand that it had to be said...

Thanks for bumping your quote Q!
Off to the next epi! 8)

"What they died for"

Jack's neck is bleeding and he doesn't know why. His son greets him.
Claire is there too.
Jack gets a call from Oceanic - they found his father's body!
Nope - it is Desmond!!!

Back to the island
Jack is sewing up Kate
Kate talks about Sun and Jin - "Locke did this to them! We have to kill him Jack!"

Sawyer and Hurly and Kate watch as life vests from the sub come ashore.
Now they are on their way to find Desmond in the well.

Flip - Locke is back at school while Des watches from his car.
Ben stops Des when he spots him. Des punches him and throws him on the car. Ben asks who he is - Des rep[lies by constantly hitting Ben in the face which causes Ben to have a flash! He sees Des doing the same thing!!!
Des throws Ben to the ground and gets in his car.

Flip to island
Miles, Richard and Ben are trekking through the jungle.
They have gone back to the compound to get C4
Miles has a fit because of dead stuff.
Richard explains to Ben that it is his daughter - that after Ben left Richard buried her.
Ben says "Thank you Richard"

They go into the house to get the C4, Ben explains about summoning the monster only it was actually summoning him.
He grabs the C4 and they put it in Richard's backpack. They hear a noise...
They walk to the kitchen to find that chick from Widmore's group going through the cupboards.
She tells them it's ok

Widmore walks in and says "she's with me...                          Hello Richard"
Holy crap!!

So Widmore says that Jacob visited him after Ben's people destroyed his freighter and Jacob told him everything he needed to know in order to accomplish this main purpose. He also said to Ben that he is one step ahead of him by having the plain already rigged with enough explosives to take it out.

Widmore gets a call that Locke is here! He tells his friend to get back and if they don't want to die, they better hide!

Flip and Ben is mangled and looking at himself in the mirror.
Locke shows up and Ben explains about letting go.
Locke's face goes pale and worried.

Des is at the police station and he asks to see a detective.
Miles and Sayer are bantering...
Des comes in to see Sawyer.

Des says he is the suspect they are looking for!!!

Sawyer takes him into a cell - he is now surrounded by Sayid and Kate!

Flip
Jack and Sawyer are hunting down the well with Des.
Hurly sees the ghost of Jacob
Jacob wants the ashes
He takes them and runs off
Hurly goes chasing after him and finds the grown ghost of Jacob
Jacob explains that his ashes are in the fire and when they burn out Hurly will never see Jacob again.
And he says that Hurly better go with his friends because they are so very close to the end.

*So Des has himself set up with Sayid and Kate in flip world. Wonder how that is going to play out. And now Jacob is telling Hugo that he is close to the end. There has to be a message coming from Jacob. There has to be much more!!!*

HWHYTBN gets out of the boat and is on the dock. He sees all of Widmore's stuff.

Ben decides that he is going to stand against HWHYTBN.
Widmore leaves and Miles runs!
Richard and Ben go outside to meet with HWHYTBN.

And along comes the smoke monster! Throws Richard out of the scene!
Ben waits on his chair and HWHYTBN shows up.

"Just the man I was looking for"

HWHYTBN says he needs Ben to kill some people for him
Promises that once HWHYTBN leaves the island, Ben can have the island to himself.
Ben tells HWHYTBN that Widmore is hiding in Ben's closet.

Flip
Alex helps out Ben
Alex offers a ride with her mother
Danielle steps out of the car.
And of course they invite Ben for dinner.
Danielle explains that Ben is the closest thing that Alex has to a father - that is probably why she is so attached to him.
He almost cries...

Flip
Ben enters the hosueand shows HWHYTBN where to go.
Ben tells HWHYTBN that he wants to see what happens

They enter the closet and HWHYTBN asks who Zoe is
Widmore says not to talk to him so HWHYTBN slices Zoe's throat!
"Why would you do that?"
"You told her not to talk to me so that made her pointless" lmao

HWHYTBN threatens to kill Penny unless Widmore tells him why he has come back.
So Widmore proceeds to tell him about Des.
Widmore doesnt want to say any more in front of Ben so HWHYTBN tells him to whisper it to him.
Just as it appears that Widmore is going to whisper... Ben shoots him!!!!
Ben says "He doesn't get to save his daughter"
Ben "Did you say there were some other people to kill?"

Hurly and the others are still walking through the jungle - Hurly sees Jacob again.
ACTUALLY they ALL see Jacob!!!
Kate wants to know what they died for!

So Jacob tells them to sit and he will tell them everything they need to know...
"because by the time that this fire burns out, one of you will have to keep doing it"

It does give the impression that it has been an ongoing thing.

Of course, in the real world a child would still be named - thus the writers continue to hold us in check, not giving further information at this juncture!


My theory is that the mother does not have the capacity for the imagination required to come up with a name for him... everything seemed to be a thing to her... things with labels... Jacob was given a name so that became his label... the second born had a label attached (the label of brother) therefore he did not need a name... you name things you care for  she was all about the job at hand...  or its not in her culture/nature to name things.. I don't know if I'm explaining this well enough  :-\\



What bothered me the most was that Mother had always thought that HWHYTBN was supposed to be the one. She had no faith in Jacob whatsoever until it came to pass that she had to kill her other son.

I think its because, in a lot of ways the dark one was most like her so he was a natural choice to be the next protector.


What gets me is that... is it so written that you must select the one to go forth, and treat the other as nothing?

Again I think this goes back to the name thing... she doesn't have the capacity for human emotions... ie loving and nurturing the boys...she only has a job to do  and that job is to protect the island until the next candidate is ready to take over.



This is why I think Jacob did all the research and selected enough people. He also treated them all THE SAME. (At least from all of the lead up storylines, he appeared to treat them all the same.)

Jacob having  more of a capacity to appreciate humanity was broader minded than she was... and what-his-face as well



Smoke Monster - when I sat an thought about this - here is what I came up with:

Mother had said that they were not to go in there. No matter what they weren't. All would cease to be for the island.
But then Jacob knocked out his brother and HWHYTBN floats down into the lighted abyss. Out comes the smoke monster...

If both Jacob and HWHYTBN were candidates, as in; it was written that they were candidates, then one entering into the place would be against what it stands for. Perhaps if both had of gone through at the same time it might have turned out to be different. Anyway, HWHYTBN enters and his *soul* is taken from the body. The fury in his soul unleashes in the light and thus the furious soul leaves, seeking revenge and ultimately a way off the dang island. Of course I could be so far off base that a black hole would fit there, but this is what I got from it.

I am frustrated that this storyline took up a whole hour - but of course I understand that it had to be said...


I enjoyed this ep....  I also found myself wondering if Jacob had been thrown down the hole would he have been a white smoke "monster"




Thanks for bumping your quote Q!
Off to the next epi! 8)



you're welcome .... and yay!

Flip
Locke goes to see Jack
Locke tells Jack the story of being hit and how Des showed up again today but that his mission was to help Locke let go.
Which was exactly the same thing that Jack said to him before.
Locke is thinking this is happening for a reason. Maybe Jack is supposed to fix him.

Coincidence... fate

Locke thinks he is ready to get out of the chair.

Flip
Jacob says he brought them all here because he made a mistake a long time ago, and because of that he thinks everyone is going to die.
Jacob says he is responsible for making the smoke monster the way he is.
Someone has to replace Jacob.
Sawyer wants to know why he needs to be punished for Jacob's mistake.
Jacob explains that he didn't pluck any of them out of their happy existence. They were all flawed.
He chose them because they were like him, alone and looking for something. They needed this place as much as it needed them.
Kate wants to know why her name was crossed off...
"Because you became a mother" but it is just a line of chalk on a cave wall and the job is her's if she wants it.

Jack asks what is the job
Jacob explains about the light
And that the light needs to be protected from HWHYTBN
Jacob wants them to kill HWHYTBN.

Hurly wants to know how he is going to pick
Jacob explains he won't pick - that he wants them to have a choice - the one he didn't have
Jack says "I'll do it, this is why I'm here, this is what I'm supposed to do"
Jacob asks if it is a question and Jack says No.
Jacob says Good
*I have this stuff pouring out of my eyes, I am not entirely sure what it is... allergies perhaps? lol*

Jack leaves with Jacob
Jacob explains where the heart of the island is, where HWHYTBN is trying to go.
Jack thinks there is nothing there but Jaocb tells him there is and he will be able to go.
Jacob asks for a cup, Jack gives him one, Jacob chants, fills it with water and then tells Jack to drink the water.
Jack drinks
"Now you're like me"

Flip
Sawyer is shipping Kate, Des and Sayid to county but Kate tries to persuade Sawyer to let her go.
The three are in a van and Des says "I think it's time to leave"
He asks Sayid and Kate to promise to do something.
The van stops and Ana Lucia lets them out!
Along comes a hummer and Hurly gets out to give the money to Ana Lucia - recognizes her of course. She says "Do I know you tubby" haha
Sayid is to go with Hurly and Kate is to go with Des... to a concert.

Flip
HWHYTBN and Ben are trekking through the jungle.
Ben asks why if HWHYTBN can turn into smoke why does he walk?
He says he likes the feel of his feet on the ground, reminds him that he was once human  <- interesting note
They arrive at the well.
No Des and HWHYTBN now knows that Syaid didn't kill Des.


Ben wants to know what Widmore said
HWHYTBN explains that Des is a fail safe.
That if HWHYTBN managed to kill all of Jacob's candidates, Des would be the one to ensure he couldn't get off the island.
But HWHYTBN has a different plan - he is going to use Des to destroy the island.

K Q - did you break down what they died for?
I am too scared to go look for it because I don't want to come across any spoilers...
I am going to get something to eat but will hopefully be back tonight with the finale!!!

K Q - did you break down what they died for?
I am too scared to go look for it because I don't want to come across any spoilers...
I am going to get something to eat but will hopefully be back tonight with the finale!!!


No I didn't discuss it at all cuz I watched it on Saturday and then went to LA for my event and then the finale on Sunday... I just discussed the finale....  yer good carry on...  :)

Ok - thank Q! ;)

I am going to tackle the first half that I missed of the finale online!
So I may not write about it until after I switch to the dvr. 8)

Well, the flashing back and forth is sad, the music is sad. Everything has started out so sad...

Of course, now I can't watch it because of a thunderstorm that is about to pounce. I won't complain though because I have been waiting for one like this!
Hopefully I will get through this before the night is over - if not then sometime eventually! 8)

I've been reading through these post and Tam's commentary on the episodes and all I can say is I am glad
I got out when I did. The last episode I saw was when Michael and his son where leaving on a boat; what
was that, season 3? Anyway, it just got too complicated to follow and didn't seem like it had any direction.
After reading the post, I was correct.

I've been reading through these post and Tam's commentary on the episodes and all I can say is I am glad
I got out when I did. The last episode I saw was when Michael and his son where leaving on a boat; what
was that, season 3? Anyway, it just got too complicated to follow and didn't seem like it had any direction.
After reading the post, I was correct.


I think it's difficult for  you to follow because you haven't been following it since season two. A lot has happened in the 4 seasons you missed.
Tam's post are very succinct and while the show has been confounding it has been so in a very good way. The show did what most fail to do...it generated conversation. Got others to think and talk about really heavy topics. 

I think it was fabulous and am very thankful I stuck with it- I feel like I've been rewarded for my time ten-fold.

I think it's difficult for  you to follow because you haven't been following it since season two. A lot has happened in the 4 seasons you missed.
Tam's post are very succinct and while the show has been confounding it has been so in a very good way. The show did what most fail to do...it generated conversation. Got others to think and talk about really heavy topics. 

I think it was fabulous and am very thankful I stuck with it- I feel like I've been rewarded for my time ten-fold.


When the show first started they said it was going to be a three season deal. They said they didn't write an end because
they wanted to leave the direction open for change and at first it worked. The first season was everything you said. people
talked about it, speculated what was going on. The first season gave a lot of questions; Where were they? Why could locke
walk on the island? What was the smoke? In season two they promised answers but after every irrelevant question answered
they left you with more questions. That's when I realized they were going to milk the story for as long as they could and when
they finally wrote a last episode they could possibly have enough time to answer all the questions they posed during the shows
run. That's when I decided to get out.

When the show first started they said it was going to be a three season deal. They said they didn't write an end because
they wanted to leave the direction open for change and at first it worked. The first season was everything you said. people
talked about it, speculated what was going on. The first season gave a lot of questions; Where were they? Why could locke
walk on the island? What was the smoke? In season two they promised answers but after every irrelevant question answered
they left you with more questions. That's when I realized they were going to milk the story for as long as they could and when
they finally wrote a last episode they could possibly have enough time to answer all the questions they posed during the shows
run. That's when I decided to get out.



I don't remember them saying it was just to be three seasons.... they may have signed a three season contract with an option for additional seasons.

I went to an event with the creators/producers/writers & cast of lost halfway thru season one and they were talking about the longevity of the show and even joked about what would happen in season 6.... so I expected it to go this long.

some of the changes they made they had to go because things that happened outside of their control.  When they introduced the tailies the intention was for Ekko to play a major role thu out the series but the actor wanted out....

Michael Emmerson (ben linus) was only supposed to be in a few eps but he was so good they ended up making it a more integral part



one of the things I did was watch season 4 and 5 back to back rather than watching them as they aired....this helped keep the mystery fresh in my mind, kept me glued to the set and made it easy for me to say I loved the seasons!  I highly recommend another look.... If you have netflix you can probably still view seasons 1-5 online.

Before Q goes ballistic on me, I believe that since I am sick, I am going to watch the final episode of Lost... FINALLY.

Patience though, the first half I have to catch online, if I can find it. Then the second half I will watch on the dvr. 8)