http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/29/angle-abortion-god/

    MANDERS: Is there any reason at all for an abortion?

    ANGLE: Not in my book.

    MANDERS: So, in other words, rape and incest would not be something?

    ANGLE: You know, I’m a Christian, and I believe that God has a plan and a purpose for each one of our lives and that he can intercede in all kinds of situations and we need to have a little faith in many things.

gee... I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.  excuse me please.

and in case you have to ask, she is a Tea Party favorite.  I'm sure based on the above quote though, you didn't need to ask.

I think I'd have an easier time believing in an interceding God if she got hit with a stray tennis ball and had to have her jaw wired shut.

I think I'd have an easier time believing in an interceding God if she got hit with a stray tennis ball and had to have her jaw wired shut.



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And karma for making me laugh.



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Only religion is capable of twisting people's logic this much.

The same part of the brain associated with piousness is also associated with schizophrenia...  this is a perfect example of it.

Only religion is capable of twisting people's logic this much.

The same part of the brain associated with piousness is also associated with schizophrenia...   this is a perfect example of it.


Are you distinguishing "piousness" from "piety" here?
???

Are you distinguishing "piousness" from "piety" here?
???


What's the difference?  I thought they meant the same thing?...

Synonymous.

Whereas, faith and reason are not antonyms. 

So it isn't rape, it's intercession.  Well that's okay, then.  ::)

Synonymous.

Whereas, faith and reason are not antonyms. 



True, but faith without evidence is the opposite of reason.

True, but faith without evidence is the opposite of reason.


Faith is the determined belief in something absent demonstrable evidence.  The Objectivists and the atheists tend to get their jollies ridiculing that which cannot be scientifically proven.  Fine by me.  In America, that's their Constitutional right.
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However, faith must not preclude the faithful from employing reason in temporal matters. 

I think I'd have an easier time believing in an interceding God if she got hit with a stray tennis ball...


or a dump truck.

Ant

    ANGLE: You know, I’m a Christian, and I believe that



No, Ms. Angle, you're not.  You're either a fracking Scilon, or you're an unknowing Scilon dupe.  Either way, you're not fit for office.  And that's without finishing your quote :)

(There.  I said it.  I feel better.)

They can say what they want, but they'll never overturn Roe v. Wade...and stifle one of their most lucrative issues?

However, faith must not preclude the faithful from employing reason in temporal matters. 

Not sure about the "must".. it "should" not, but quite frequently it does.

The problem (which for some causes true, complete cognitive dissonance) is where reason leads you to a different conclusion than faith would: how does the mind resolve something that your bible/koran/Guru Granth Sahib/whatever says is/should be one way, but evidence/reason/simple humanity says is another..

Not sure about the "must".. it "should" not, but quite frequently it does.

The problem (which for some causes true, complete cognitive dissonance) is where reason leads you to a different conclusion than faith would: how does the mind resolve something that your bible/koran/Guru Granth Sahib/whatever says is/should be one way, but evidence/reason/simple humanity says is another..

A lot of it is also what you are taught in your place of worship, and how you were taught to interpret your bible, Koran, etc...
And how you interpret it yourself after trying to study it.

What I believe (as a Christian) and how I react to things as a Christian can be quite different from how other Christians react. My views are quite different from ANGLE.

No, Ms. Angle, you're not.  You're either a fracking Scilon, or you're an unknowing Scilon dupe.  Either way, you're not fit for office.  And that's without finishing your quote :)

(There.  I said it.  I feel better.)


No one loves people with cult followings more than the tea party

Not sure about the "must".. it "should" not, but quite frequently it does.

The problem (which for some causes true, complete cognitive dissonance) is where reason leads you to a different conclusion than faith would: how does the mind resolve something that your bible/koran/Guru Granth Sahib/whatever says is/should be one way, but evidence/reason/simple humanity says is another..


I appreciate the above as one of the great theological questions.  However, we could go on about it for 10 pages and still be no closer to solving the conundrum!

The sad thing for the right wing is Christianity becomes a negative identity.  Identifying as Christian for people such as Angle means emphasizing you're not a Jew, you're not a Muslim, you're not a secular humanist, you're not an atheist, you're not a big city liberal, etc. etc.  In other words, it's a form of soft bigotry and that's a pitiful way to show your faith.
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Sharon Angle should took a lesson from Rand Paul and be quiet. The more Angle talks the more Harry Reid can use all the crap that Angle says against her in this Senate race. I can't believe Angle even won the Republican Nomination to take on Reid.

Sharon Angle should took a lesson from Rand Paul and be quiet. The more Angle talks the more Harry Reid can use all the crap that Angle says against her in this Senate race. I can't believe Angle even won the Republican Nomination to take on Reid.

Rand Paul should talk -- by which I mean Rand talked too much himself!  I am skeptical of their brand of libertarianism resulting in greater liberty for most folks.
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A lot of it is also what you are taught in your place of worship, and how you were taught to interpret your bible, Koran, etc...
And how you interpret it yourself after trying to study it.

What I believe (as a Christian) and how I react to things as a Christian can be quite different from how other Christians react. My views are quite different from ANGLE.


That's because you are a reasonable and intelligent man (reasonable implying that you rely on reason), and are sane

That's because you are a reasonable and intelligent man (reasonable implying that you rely on reason), and are sane


My larger point was the theory that religious faith are governed by the same part of the brain as schizophrenia is meaningless.

Schizophrenia is an organic brain disorder that interferes with cognition and a person's ability to interpret reality.  Of course it's going to be in the same part of the brain!

Were some of our religious/mystic visionaries undiagnosed schizophrenics?  I don't doubt it, but I think the number is far lower than the Objectivists would have you believe.  Far too often schizophrenics suffer from a poverty of speech and their thought processes are disjointed (hence the meaning of schizophrenia -- "shattered mind").  These are not good candidates for visionary/holy man school.
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Just when you thought it couldn't go further off the deep end...


"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."

- Nevada U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R), quoted by the Huffington Post, on advising a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion.


Ms. Angle, you're too crazy even for what little remains of the once-grand-old Republican party, so allow me to suggest a political party more appropriate for you.  It involves lemons.  It's like a party with lemons.  The sort of thing that might happen if a bunch of lemons got together to celebrate some sort of thing.  Yeah, that party.

They can say anything they want, but they all know the don't really want Roe v. Wade overturned.  That's one of the national rallying cries of the Right.
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They can say anything they want, but they all know the don't really want Roe v. Wade overturned.  That's one of the national rallying cries of the Right.
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For those who still think there are two parties, instead of just one cup, that cuts both ways... the day the fundie-Republicans overturn Roe v. Wade is the day the hippie-Democrats overturn the Second Amendment.  Neither wing of the Party wants to lose a recruitment tool. 

(Don't blame me, I have the same position on abortions and guns:  "Don't want one?  Don't get one.")

Just when you thought it couldn't go further off the deep end...

Ms. Angle, you're too crazy even for what little remains of the once-grand-old Republican party, so allow me to suggest a political party more appropriate for you.  It involves lemons.  It's like a party with lemons.  The sort of thing that might happen if a bunch of lemons got together to celebrate some sort of thing.  Yeah, that party.

Angle really gave advice to a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion? Wow...
Again, please don't lump all of Christianity together thinking we all believe we'd do the same. I know lots of Christians, none of whom would agree with Angle.

 

Angle really gave advice to a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion? Wow...
Again, please don't lump all of Christianity together thinking we all believe we'd do the same. I know lots of Christians, none of whom would agree with Angle.

   


Even abortion foes concede the point the interviewer was making.  The rape or incestuous impregnation of a young teen causes a risky period of gestation, problematic births, and health problems -- often severe -- for the mother and the child.  In the case of incest, the genetic defects can be passed down for generations.  In the old days the teenage mother and her child often died from the complications.  Under the best of circumstances, such a situation might be manageable with the best health care and counseling possible; however, a girl of 14 who is pregnant by her father is not going to get the best of circumstances.  All of that extra care costs far more money than all but the wealthiest families could afford.  If a private insurance company got wind of the situation, they would find as many ways as possible to deny benefits, if not cancel the policy altogether.  Thus, the young girl's incestuous pregnancy would have to be financed from the public coffers.  If there's one thing Sharron Angle and the wingnuts hate more than abortion* it is government using taxpayer dollars to help needy citizens.  It's great for the government to kill brown people half way around the world and subsidize petrochemical companies to the hilt, just don't help living breathing human beings with food, clothes, and shelter, and certainly not health care!

*which I'm not sure they sincerely hate at all, especially for poor women and women of color.
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Karma for that Max

Karma for that Max

Agreed, well written, Max. Well put.

Thank you Messrs. Frank and Carlos!
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