With Jame Oliver, trying to change the way American's eat, California seeking to limited the amount of fast food restaurants, opening, and the obesity getting larger, should fast food be banned, forever?

Or should we just watch what we eat, and try eating healthier instead?

I suppose it could be regulated to avoid the obesity issues that are rampant in America right now. However, I, myself, am guilty of indulging in fast food and I would miss it too much if we did away with it completely (mmm . . . I could go for some Burger King right now -- I'll miss my fast metabolism when I get older, I'm sure  :D). I think people need to take it upon themselves to limit how much fast food they eat and perhaps choose to eat healthier foods overall.

Maybe regulated regarding the timeslots for advertising on tv etc.... :-\\  Perhaps we could step on some scales as we enter ead then we get refused service at the counter...alarms go off, lights flash. If you don't leave the store within 1 minute...then security come and escort you out!!!  ::) 8)

I wouldn't make it out of my car!  :o

With Jame Oliver, trying to change the way American's eat, California seeking to limited the amount of fast food restaurants, opening, and the obesity getting larger, should fast food be banned, forever?

Or should we just watch what we eat, and try eating healthier instead?


Hey, how would you like it if we went up there and shut down all your Tim Horton's?  :o

Hey, how would you like it if we went up there and shut down all your Tim Horton's?   :o



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Not Timmie's!

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Speaking as a fast food eater, I think that we should reglate the ammount of fast food, that we eat, and try to eat a bit more healthier.

No way.  

Who gets to define "fast food"?
???

There is an entire range of comestibles we eat that aren't good for us, but are not necessarily "fast food."  You can go to Ruth's Chris and spend $200 on steaks and cheesecake and it's fattening as all hell and builds up in your colon just the same!  

Of course, we're not worried about poor inner city school children getting morbidly obese at Ruth's Chris.  We're talking about McDonalds, KFC, Burger King, Wendy's, etc.  We're talking about where poor people go.  There have been movements to restrict the number of fast food joints in the vicinity of school zones, but restrictions and bans don't address the core of the problem.  I think a lot of it has to do with the more sedentary lives Americans lead than in generations past.  I know it sounds condescending, but poverty and lack of education do play a role.  

I can't see any ban on fast food passing logical muster, let alone Constitutional muster.

Speaking as a fast food eater, I think that we should reglate the ammount of fast food, that we eat, and try to eat a bit more healthier.


Agreed, it just comes down to moderation and making the right choices.

For example, I almost never drink pop anymore, I'll get an iced tea instead, it has almost zero calories but it still has a little caffeine. Also I work as a foodservice delivery driver, and my route includes several Wendy's, some of which offer me free meals. Up until recently I'd get a burger or chicken club sandwich with a side of fries, but after my surgery a couple months back I decided I'd eat healthier so now I get a salad instead.

Really it's up to the individual.

Maybe regulated regarding the timeslots for advertising on tv etc.... :-\\  Perhaps we could step on some scales as we enter ead then we get refused service at the counter...alarms go off, lights flash. If you don't leave the store within 1 minute...then security come and escort you out!!!  ::) 8)

I wouldn't make it out of my car!  :o


me neither!  ;D

I think the show is a good idea if we're talking about educating kids differently about food but I am an adult and take total responsibility for my wait....now back the hell away from my fries damnit!!!  ;D

For example, I almost never drink pop anymore, I'll get an iced tea instead, it has almost zero calories but it still has a little caffeine.


I can tell you're from the midwest, you say "pop."  In Boston, they call it "tonic."  I always called it "soda."  Anyway, I drink flavored seltzer, in part because it has zero calories, but more because it won't rot my teeth.  I already need more dental work than I can afford!
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I can tell you're from the midwest, you say "pop."  In Boston, they call it "tonic."  I always called it "soda."  Anyway, I drink flavored seltzer, in part because it has zero calories, but more because it won't rot my teeth.  I already need more dental work than I can afford!
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My friend from Seattle says "pop" as well. I say "soda" even though I know some people around Boston who say "tonic." I love Pepsi, but I think it would be good for me if I could stay away from it  :-\\

(mmm . . . I could go for some Burger King right now -- I'll miss my fast metabolism when I get older, I'm sure  :D). I think people need to take it upon themselves to limit how much fast food they eat and perhaps choose to eat healthier foods overall.


Funny you should mention that.  Last week I stopped off at The King to grab a quick cheezburger.

The guy behind me in line ordered a Whopper, but told the gal at the counter that he did not want the meat patties or cheese on it.  There was also a sign on the counter that said they were out of tomatoes.  Best I can figure the guy basically ate a bun with onions and lettuce on it.  Flame broiled, naturally.  ;D

So there you have it, the "Healthy Whopper"... just like a regular Whopper except without the meat, cheese, or tomato.

Exactly how would limiting the number of fast food restaurants work.  All it would do is incnovenience a number of people where they'd have to drive an extra mile for that Big Mac or that bucket of Original Recipe for dinner.

It all comes down to personal responsiblity for crying out loud.  If you want your kids to eat healthy, buy them the salad and the grilled chicken sandwich instead of the burgers and fries because you don't have time to cook.  Try something different instead of Friday night pizza night.  

And why are the fast food places always the target?  When was the last time you were in a grocery store that didn't have aisles full of cookies, candy, chips and pop?  When was the last time you were behind a person in that same store where their cart isn't full of this stuff along with frozen pizzas, barbequed chicken wings and canned fruits.  The other day I was in the store, probably the busiest day each month for this store as it's the day people on food assistance get their funds and in front of me was a lady with three young kids.  Her shopping cart full.  A half dozen boxes of assorted sugared cereal, cookies that were on sale, another 6 bags of assorted chips, two cases of Classic Coke another case of Sunkist Orange, I don't know how many of those Totinos frozen pizzas, frozen pizza rolls, frozen buffulo chicken wings, four boxes of Twinkies (there was a special on them in the store), four bags of Easter candy, two boxes of microwave popcorn, two half gallon cartons of ice cream, Cool whip, an angel food cake, frozen strawberries, several packages of hotdogs and a case of canned peaches that were on sale.  About the only healthy things I saw in those items were some fresh bananas and a gallon of milk.  Then the woman paid for all this with one of those food assistance cards.  No meat, no ingredients to make a casserole or other dish, no vegetables, just all that stuff I mentioned.  

It looked like the oldest of these kids, looked like an 8 year old boy, was well on his path to a life of being obese.  The little girls were getting there.  And people want to blame McDonalds for this?  If the country were serious about getting the obesity problem under control, they'd make sure these people who are on food assistance buy nutritious food and not all this junk.  The money would go towards, meat and vegetables, potatos, healthy cereals, milk, bread, flour and sugar. Peanut butter and jelly be about the only "junk" allowed. There'd be no pop, or Doritos, or ice cream, or candy, or frozen tv dinners or frozen pizzas.  There'd be no popsicles or cookies or snack crackers.  The food assistance program as it is right now I believe is partly responsible for overweight kids.  And WHY couldn't that be fixed.  Right now people aren't allowed to buy non-food items with those funds, all that needs to be done is expand the prohibited item lists.  

Myself I think there is a bigger problem with alcohol than there is with obesity.  Underage drinking is out of control as is drunk driving, and I'm not even mentioning the full fledged alcholics out there.  I think this is more of a problem than being overweight because alcohol can and does effect more than just yourself, where being obese, well that's pretty much your own problem.  But that's probably a topic for another thread.  

Exactly how would limiting the number of fast food restaurants work.  All it would do is incnovenience a number of people where they'd have to drive an extra mile for that Big Mac or that bucket of Original Recipe for dinner.

It all comes down to personal responsiblity for crying out loud.  If you want your kids to eat healthy, buy them the salad and the grilled chicken sandwich instead of the burgers and fries because you don't have time to cook.  Try something different instead of Friday night pizza night.  

And why are the fast food places always the target?  When was the last time you were in a grocery store that didn't have aisles full of cookies, candy, chips and pop?  When was the last time you were behind a person in that same store where their cart isn't full of this stuff along with frozen pizzas, barbequed chicken wings and canned fruits.  The other day I was in the store, probably the busiest day each month for this store as it's the day people on food assistance get their funds and in front of me was a lady with three young kids.  Her shopping cart full.  A half dozen boxes of assorted sugared cereal, cookies that were on sale, another 6 bags of assorted chips, two cases of Classic Coke another case of Sunkist Orange, I don't know how many of those Totinos frozen pizzas, frozen pizza rolls, frozen buffulo chicken wings, four boxes of Twinkies (there was a special on them in the store), four bags of Easter candy, two boxes of microwave popcorn, two half gallon cartons of ice cream, Cool whip, an angel food cake, frozen strawberries, several packages of hotdogs and a case of canned peaches that were on sale.  About the only healthy things I saw in those items were some fresh bananas and a gallon of milk.  Then the woman paid for all this with one of those food assistance cards.  No meat, no ingredients to make a casserole or other dish, no vegetables, just all that stuff I mentioned.  

It looked like the oldest of these kids, looked like an 8 year old boy, was well on his path to a life of being obese.  The little girls were getting there.  And people want to blame McDonalds for this?  If the country were serious about getting the obesity problem under control, they'd make sure these people who are on food assistance buy nutritious food and not all this junk.  The money would go towards, meat and vegetables, potatos, healthy cereals, milk, bread, flour and sugar. Peanut butter and jelly be about the only "junk" allowed. There'd be no pop, or Doritos, or ice cream, or candy, or frozen tv dinners or frozen pizzas.  There'd be no popsicles or cookies or snack crackers.  The food assistance program as it is right now I believe is partly responsible for overweight kids.  And WHY couldn't that be fixed.  Right now people aren't allowed to buy non-food items with those funds, all that needs to be done is expand the prohibited item lists.  

Myself I think there is a bigger problem with alcohol than there is with obesity.  Underage drinking is out of control as is drunk driving, and I'm not even mentioning the full fledged alcholics out there.  I think this is more of a problem than being overweight because alcohol can and does effect more than just yourself, where being obese, well that's pretty much your own problem.  But that's probably a topic for another thread.  


As an Irish American, I find it offensive that you misspell "potatoes" and "alcoholic."

You could conceivably flag the PLU codes for confections and junk foods for exemption from a nutrition assistance program, but that would be up to a given state legislature's consensus.  Imagine your state legislature trying to agree on whether Frosted Flakes and pecan ice cream are junk foods when they can't even decide which bridges to fix!  Further more, when you buy a bag of potato chips via nutrition assistance, you're subsidizing American agribusiness.  If you think the pharmaceutical companies have powerful lobbies, wait'll you see what the USDA and Archer, Daniels, Midland can do!  Believe you me, you don't want to start in with the food police!
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Oh I didn't spell check this time around, I'm sure there were a ton of other words in there that didn't come out right.

Yeah I know getting those foods on a some kind of list would never happen, like you said there are powerful lobbies out there that in fact do control the government and would never allow something like this happening.  Shoot didn't the government some years ago try to redo the whole hot lunch program and that still looks like it's a mess. 

I just think it's ridiculous that fast food restaurants still get targeted as being the main culprit of the country's obesity problem, when in fact I think the problem starts right in the home with the habits that are formed there at an early age.

me neither!  ;D

I think the show is a good idea if we're talking about educating kids differently about food but I am an adult and take total responsibility for my wait....now back the hell away from my fries damnit!!!  ;D


What Q said.  People need to take responsibility for their own actions and not let government babysit us.  People in general need to be better educated about healthy food choices.  There is nothing wrong with fast food, it is the amount that is eaten that causes problems. 

I don’t think fast food should be banned in and of itself. We are human beings and for the most part fast food is a pleasure and a convenience.  We are born of choices in this supposed free society and we should be able to make our own choices of what we eat.

That being said, I DO think it would be a great assistance for those that have less control or awareness of what they are eating or feeding to their children the calorie/fat/cholesterol count at fast food joints. In this way ensuring the consumer takes the responsibility for his health and what they are putting into their body.

Its one thing to say you weren’t aware of the amounts of artery clogging fat you were ingesting for the Whoppers or Big Macs you were stuffing your face with vs. having a clear number of the 28 grams (or more) of fat listed right next to the burger menu the next time you got the fast food munchies.

I, for one, don’t think it’s a big deal to once a week to have a slider at White Castle or a sub at Subway, it is, and always will be MODERATION, that is the factor in fast food.  Limit your fast food binges to once a week to once a month and I’m sure our bodies will do just fine.
For me, I get a craving (unhealthful as it is) for a Whopper with cheese every three months or so, and gotta have one (and there isn’t even a BK near me). I don’t think I’m endangering my body with four whoppers a year.  You got to enjoy your life or it isn’t worth living, which goes for food too. If I die or shorten my life for doing so, at least I was aware of what I was doing.

Not going to sue BK or McDonalds for being fat or having a heart condition from eating their food. ::)  They didn't force me or put a gun to my head, and I enjoyed what I was eating.

Funny you should mention that.  Last week I stopped off at The King to grab a quick cheezburger.

The guy behind me in line ordered a Whopper, but told the gal at the counter that he did not want the meat patties or cheese on it.  There was also a sign on the counter that said they were out of tomatoes.  Best I can figure the guy basically ate a bun with onions and lettuce on it.  Flame broiled, naturally.   ;D

So there you have it, the "Healthy Whopper"... just like a regular Whopper except without the meat, cheese, or tomato.


Why would anyone pay $3 for an onion, lettuce, pickle, ketchup and mayo  sandwich?

I don't normally eat at fast food places-maybe Taco Bell once in a while and breakfast at McDonald's even fewer times. That being said, people should be able to choose what they want to eat. However, I think ALL restaurants (whether it be fast food or fine dining) should tell their customers EXACTLY what they are getting. This meal has so many calories, this amount of fat, so much carbs, sodium, etc, etc. etc. There is a sandwich change in Puerto Rico that has card on the counter that list ALL of that info about everything on their menu.


http://www.elmesonsandwiches.com/

Here is a copy what they have on the counter-it does help if you can read Spanish but even if you don't (like me,) you can make out what it says:

http://www.elmesonsandwiches.com/media/pdf/valor_nutritivo_1.pdf 

Oh yeah, their sandwiches are YUMMY!!!!



Cat

I can tell you're from the midwest, you say "pop."  In Boston, they call it "tonic."  I always called it "soda."  Anyway, I drink flavored seltzer, in part because it has zero calories, but more because it won't rot my teeth.  I already need more dental work than I can afford!
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That's another reason I quit drinking pop (or soda or tonic, or whichever nomenclature you prefer) because it was rotting my teeth. Really that stuff is useless, although I'll admit that an ice cold Coca-Cola really hits the spot on a hot summer day.


 If you think the pharmaceutical companies have powerful lobbies, wait'll you see what the USDA and Archer, Daniels, Midland can do!  Believe you me, you don't want to start in with the food police!
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ADM: Fattening America up with high-fructose corn syrup since 1975.

If anything needs to be banned, it's that stuff.  :P

That's another reason I quit drinking pop (or soda or tonic, or whichever nomenclature you prefer) because it was rotting my teeth. Really that stuff is useless, although I'll admit that an ice cold Coca-Cola really hits the spot on a hot summer day.

ADM: Fattening America up with high-fructose corn syrup since 1975.

If anything needs to be banned, it's that stuff.  :P



I RARELY drink soda-any kind (yes, I call it soda). I usually drink tea, iced or hot-unsweetened or "the hard stuff"-water.  :D ;D ;D



Cat

AL-B is right about the high-fructose corn syrup, which is in just about everything nowadays, and I think is a major cause of the obesity epidemic.  I was alluding to that when I said the nutrition assistance programs subsidize agribusiness. 

A lot of McDonald's now have 24/7 drive-thru.  The last few times I went there it was because it was 2 AM and there was nothing else open!  Going to Mickey-D's was a treat when I was a kid.  The folks would take us there on a family night out before a movie or rollerskating.  I swear, that stuff must taste better to kids than to adults.  Now going there is an act of desperation!  Wendy's is slightly better than Mickey-D's, BK, or KFC.  However, if you stop there on a long car trip, don't get the chili, as a courtesy to your fellow passengers!
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The other myth about McDonald's is that it's cheap.  I suppose it's cheaper than dining at a proper restaurant, but when you look at what you pay versus what you get, it's not cheap at all.  Never mind the long run, it's costly enough to your innards in the short run!

AL-B is right about the high-fructose corn syrup, which is in just about everything nowadays, and I think is a major cause of the obesity epidemic.  I was alluding to that when I said the nutrition assistance programs subsidize agribusiness. 


An easy way to get rid of HFCS is simple... eliminate the tariffs, quotas, and price fixing on "cane sugar".

Due to the long-standing protectionism of the sugar industry, sugar prices in the USA are the highest in the world.  So manufacturers use HFCS as a lower cost alternative.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0498d.asp

An easy way to get rid of HFCS is simple... eliminate the tariffs, quotas, and price fixing on "cane sugar".

Due to the long-standing protectionism of the sugar industry, sugar prices in the USA are the highest in the world.  So manufacturers use HFCS as a lower cost alternative.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0498d.asp


Lift the embargo.  Do business with Cuban sugar companies!
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An easy way to get rid of HFCS is simple... eliminate the tariffs, quotas, and price fixing on "cane sugar".

Due to the long-standing protectionism of the sugar industry, sugar prices in the USA are the highest in the world.  So manufacturers use HFCS as a lower cost alternative.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0498d.asp



The problem with sugar cane production is that it is very labor intensive. I'm not too sure if sugar beets are as labor intensive as sugar cane. I would love to see more sugar production.



Lift the embargo.  Do business with Cuban sugar companies!
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Or they could grow more in Puerto Rico. PR used to produce a lot of sugar can but stopped in the last 100 years or so. There are still many old sugar plantation houses around.



Cat

I think it is all about personal choice and responsibility.  First you ban fast food restaurants.  Then you move on to ban obese people from getting on planes or visiting public places.  Then back to the healthcare debate and deny anyone health coverage because they are obese and cost too much.  Is it Constitutional to ban fast food restaurants in the U.S. when it is supposed to be the land of freedom and opportunity?  Can you apply the same mentality to fast food as drugs?  Can a nation force you to eat certain foods?  It brings up a whole bunch of complex issues.

Fattening foods generally cost less than healthy foods.  Why not find a way to bring down the costs?  Places are doing a better job of promoting healthier choices.  Maybe they can do more.  Bottom line, these are businesses.  They are not going to do anything that would prohibit them from making a profit.  If more people order the unhealthy stuff, that is what they will sell.

It is also more than just obese people that eat at these establishments.  I eat at restaurants and fast food establishments.  I am a tad overweight.  I could easily become more healthy.  Truth is, I like the food.  But I don't think that they should ban all of them.  I think you can restrict portion sizes, but not ban them from the opportunity to have a business.   

However, some things that can be banned are drive through windows.  :)


 

I think it is all about personal choice and responsibility.  First you ban fast food restaurants.  Then you move on to ban obese people from getting on planes or visiting public places.  Then back to the healthcare debate and deny anyone health coverage because they are obese and cost too much.  Is it Constitutional to ban fast food restaurants in the U.S. when it is supposed to be the land of freedom and opportunity?  Can you apply the same mentality to fast food as drugs?  Can a nation force you to eat certain foods?  It brings up a whole bunch of complex issues.

Fattening foods generally cost less than healthy foods.  Why not find a way to bring down the costs?  Places are doing a better job of promoting healthier choices.  Maybe they can do more.  Bottom line, these are businesses.  They are not going to do anything that would prohibit them from making a profit.  If more people order the unhealthy stuff, that is what they will sell.

It is also more than just obese people that eat at these establishments.  I eat at restaurants and fast food establishments.  I am a tad overweight.   I could easily become more healthy.  Truth is, I like the food.   But I don't think that they should ban all of them.  I think you can restrict portion sizes, but not ban them from the opportunity to have a business.   

However, some things that can be banned are drive through windows.  :)
   


The answer seems obvious.  The O'bama Administration needs to issue income tax credits to people who eat or manufacture healthy foods.

Furthermore, to promote health, and to prevent second-hand-munchies on otherwide innocent building occupants, Big Macs, Whoppers, Wendy triples, and KFC fried products, should be banned from all workplaces, public spaces, and apartment buildings.

Advertising of these products should be banned from the airwaves, and a 95% federal excise tax should be placed on the sales of these products. 

Advertising using cartoon-like characters which appeal to children, like Ronald McDonald, Colonel Sanders, and "The King" should also be banned.  Consequently, the Ronald McDonald Charities, the most insidious example of the fast-food industry's stranglehold on the minds of small children, should be liquidated, and the funds used to feed the aforementioned tax credit program.

Just ban trans fats and end the subsidization of corn and corn syrup.

After doing those things, the market will mostly fix things on its own.

I don't normally eat at fast food places-maybe Taco Bell once in a while and breakfast at McDonald's even fewer times. That being said, people should be able to choose what they want to eat. However, I think ALL restaurants (whether it be fast food or fine dining) should tell their customers EXACTLY what they are getting. This meal has so many calories, this amount of fat, so much carbs, sodium, etc, etc. etc. There is a sandwich change in Puerto Rico that has card on the counter that list ALL of that info about everything on their menu.


http://www.elmesonsandwiches.com/

Here is a copy what they have on the counter-it does help if you can read Spanish but even if you don't (like me,) you can make out what it says:

http://www.elmesonsandwiches.com/media/pdf/valor_nutritivo_1.pdf 

Oh yeah, their sandwiches are YUMMY!!!!



Cat


most fast food places have literature avail with calorie count  of food  and mcD's has taken to writing the "nutrition" info right on the packaging  but I prefer to be oblivious to it!  ;D

I went to a movie theater once...they had the calorie count right on the menu board...that was soooo wrong!  :D

The answer seems obvious.  The O'bama Administration needs to issue income tax credits to people who eat or manufacture healthy foods.

Furthermore, to promote health, and to prevent second-hand-munchies on otherwide innocent building occupants, Big Macs, Whoppers, Wendy triples, and KFC fried products, should be banned from all workplaces, public spaces, and apartment buildings.

Advertising of these products should be banned from the airwaves, and a 95% federal excise tax should be placed on the sales of these products. 

Advertising using cartoon-like characters which appeal to children, like Ronald McDonald, Colon Sanders, and "The King" should also be banned.  Consequently, the Ronald McDonald Charities, the most insidious example of the fast-food industry's stranglehold on the minds of small children, should be liquidated, and the funds used to feed the aforementioned tax credit program.


A libertarian's nightmare!  Some bunch of government bureaucrats telling you where you can and can not buy or sell a hamburger!  Furthermore, how do I demonstrate to the government I'm a health-conscious consumer?  Do have to send the food police my grocery receipts?  Can I just do that or do I have to come in for a biannual checkup and colonoscopy too! Sorry, mac, you're off the program.  Stool sample tested positive for pork rind and cotton candy!
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AL-B is right about the high-fructose corn syrup, which is in just about everything nowadays, and I think is a major cause of the obesity epidemic.  I was alluding to that when I said the nutrition assistance programs subsidize agribusiness. 

A lot of McDonald's now have 24/7 drive-thru.  The last few times I went there it was because it was 2 AM and there was nothing else open!  Going to Mickey-D's was a treat when I was a kid.  The folks would take us there on a family night out before a movie or rollerskating.  I swear, that stuff must taste better to kids than to adults.  Now going there is an act of desperation!  Wendy's is slightly better than Mickey-D's, BK, or KFC.  However, if you stop there on a long car trip, don't get the chili, as a courtesy to your fellow passengers!
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The other myth about McDonald's is that it's cheap.  I suppose it's cheaper than dining at a proper restaurant, but when you look at what you pay versus what you get, it's not cheap at all.  Never mind the long run, it's costly enough to your innards in the short run!


Yes, I remember when I was a kid, going to Mickey Dee's was a treat. I don't think there's anything wrong with have fastfood on rare occasions like having it with friends over the holidays but if I were to go there like 3 times a week, I would be sick of it.  :P  And it isn't cheap----last time I went there I paid over $6 just for a quarter pounder and a soda!

The answer seems obvious.  The O'bama Administration needs to issue income tax credits to people who eat or manufacture healthy foods.


*blink*  LOL WUT?

Sorry, the tax code is full of enough assinine bits of social engineering as it is.  I just filled out ~mumble~ pages of that crap, and I'm damned if I'm going to add one more line, just to satisfy some other would-be god-botherer's desire to further control people's behavior.

The libertarian solution is simple:  Don't like fast food?  Don't eat it.  (Don't think I should be eating fast food?  Pool your resources, and put an ad on TV with a cute cartoon character who tells me that Ronald McDonald is trying to kill me!  Make me laugh hard enough, and I might even think about it.)

And in a way, it's actually working.  HFCS isn't as bad as it's made out to be, but it sure as hell isn't healthy, and it only exists in the US marketplace because of assinine social engineering in the tax code.  No cute cartoons, just the fact that, with the Internet, foodies can get together and compare Mexican (or Passover/Kosher) Coca-Cola with the sugar-based Coke, and decide for themselves if it's worth it.  If freedom of the press belongs to those who own one, and everyone owns a printing press, then why embed yet more cruft into an already transbyzantine tax code?

Fast food should be like abortion:  Safe, legal, and if you don't want one, just dont have one.

I'm pretty sure Lyric was being sarcastic.

Fast food should be like abortion


I say abortion should be like fast food: Available 24/7 on every corner and advertised to kids with funny clown mascots!

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Fast Food has fat, oils, and sweets.

Fat, oil, and sweets are meant to be burned-off. So if you eat fast food, you should work it off in the afternoon.

Now I don't eat well, but I'm thin. I should have foods that contain fat, but since I work for 18 hours a week it gets burned faster because of my metabolisim.

I'm pretty sure Lyric was being sarcastic.


Now why would you think that?  My anti fast food pro healthy choices program is modeled after what has been done with tobacco usage.  We can't expect the governed populace to exercise discretion or their own free will.  No.... they will only stop getting fat if we tax fatty foods into oblivion and restrict the free speech rights of the evil food industry.

I say abortion should be like fast food: Available 24/7 on every corner and advertised to kids with funny clown mascots!

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Sounds like signs PETA would make!

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Sounds like signs PETA would make!

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I would not!!!  ;)

Pry that burger from my cold dead hands.  These people who complain about junk food .. what the hell.  I mean if you don't like junk food, then don't eat it.  Just don't ruin it for others.

I took my user name from a menu item at A&W, so I am a full supporter of junk food.  Is it healthy for you?  Not really.  Do I care?  Eh, not really, only because I know my limits.

Pry that burger from my cold dead hands.  These people who complain about junk food .. what the hell.  I mean if you don't like junk food, then don't eat it.  Just don't ruin it for others.

I took my user name from a menu item at A&W, so I am a full supporter of junk food.  Is it healthy for you?  Not really.  Do I care?  Eh, not really, only because I know my limits.


The Whistledog reviewed:
http://www.aw.ca/foodfacts.nsf/NutrientsByRef/F820D20D97DE7D9288256DF0007E334A?opendocument

This only makes the second definition in the Urban Dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whistle%20dog

Pry that burger from my cold dead hands.  These people who complain about junk food .. what the hell.  I mean if you don't like junk food, then don't eat it.  Just don't ruin it for others.

I took my user name from a menu item at A&W, so I am a full supporter of junk food.  Is it healthy for you?  Not really.  Do I care?  Eh, not really, only because I know my limits.


Surely you can't be advocating that people should be able to think (and act) for themselves!!!  :o

If the country were serious about getting the obesity problem under control, they'd make sure these people who are on food assistance buy nutritious food and not all this junk.  The money would go towards, meat and vegetables, potatos, healthy cereals, milk, bread, flour and sugar. Peanut butter and jelly be about the only "junk" allowed. There'd be no pop, or Doritos, or ice cream, or candy, or frozen tv dinners or frozen pizzas.  There'd be no popsicles or cookies or snack crackers.  The food assistance program as it is right now I believe is partly responsible for overweight kids.  And WHY couldn't that be fixed.  Right now people aren't allowed to buy non-food items with those funds, all that needs to be done is expand the prohibited item lists.  



It is entirely possible to do something like this.  I worked as a trainer for a grocery store for a long time, and there is a program called WIC (Women, Infants and Children) in Utah (not sure if it is elsewhere) where mothers can exchange vouchers for specific foods.  You scan the voucher into the register system, and it automatically reads what foods are and are not allowed.  Users can only buy milk, cheese, certain nutritious cereals, baby formula, eggs, beans, 100% juices and carrots.  I'm sure there were other items available but I can't remember for sure what they were.  It wasn't complicated at all - the system did everything for you , and refused items that weren't on the list.  There isn't any reason the Food Stamp system couldn't be run the same way.  I don't know that it should be.  I too, am a fan of personal responsibility and people doing the right thing because they should, but realistically we all know it isn't going to happen, and obesity is at epidemic proportions in this country. 

It is entirely possible to do something like this.  I worked as a trainer for a grocery store for a long time, and there is a program called WIC (Women, Infants and Children) in Utah (not sure if it is elsewhere) where mothers can exchange vouchers for specific foods.  You scan the voucher into the register system, and it automatically reads what foods are and are not allowed.  Users can only buy milk, cheese, certain nutritious cereals, baby formula, eggs, beans, 100% juices and carrots.  I'm sure there were other items available but I can't remember for sure what they were.  It wasn't complicated at all - the system did everything for you , and refused items that weren't on the list.  There isn't any reason the Food Stamp system couldn't be run the same way.  I don't know that it should be.  I too, am a fan of personal responsibility and people doing the right thing because they should, but realistically we all know it isn't going to happen, and obesity is at epidemic proportions in this country. 



WIC is a constant target for budget cuts because its beneficiaries have limited resources with which to fight back.
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WIC is a constant target for budget cuts because its beneficiaries have limited resources with which to fight back.
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My only point is that it's very simple and already possible to limit those on food assistance into buying certain nutritious foods. 

Again, I don't know where you'd draw the line, but it would be easy enough to implement once that line is drawn.