Now I have had issues with ACORN going back over 10 years now.  To be honest, I have long thought that they are a disgusting and exploitive organization.  They will lie, cheat, cover up theft, encourage and commit voter fraud, and do anything else they can get away with to achieve their political goals.

But now they are caught offering advice to somebody claiming to be a pimp, who claims to have under age illegal immigrants working for him.  ACORN's role?  He went to them for advice on how to avoid paying taxes.

And they gave it to him!  He told his "common-law wife" (one of his whores) to files taxes as a "preforming artist", and encouraged them to claim each of the under-age girls working for him as a dependent.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/acorn.prostitution/

Of course, on their defense, they claim they fired the 2 people that gave this advice.  However, that was also all they did to Dale Rathke, brother of the founder and who had embezzled almost $1 million from the organization.

But do not expect anything at ACORN to change.  They are as crooked as an organization gets, and they still got huge payouts from the recent Stimulus Package.  And you have to question the judgement of our President since he has worked with them for many years, and endorsed them to get Stimulus money.

Am I the only one here that is outraged?

Republicans seem to be outraged about a lot these days.

Republicans seem to be outraged about a lot these days.


You are not outraged that a "Non-Profit" organization that is a beneficiary of Government money not only encourages people to commit tax fraud, but encourages them to claim their underage hookers to be claimed as dependents?

I would think this would be offensive to everybody, Democrat and Republican alike.

Maybe it is only Republicans that find the thought of teen prostitution and tax evasion offensive?

You are not outraged that a "Non-Profit" organization that is a beneficiary of Government money not only encourages people to commit tax fraud, but encourages them to claim their underage hookers to be claimed as dependents?

I would think this would be offensive to everybody, Democrat and Republican alike.

Maybe it is only Republicans that find the thought of teen prostitution and tax evasion offensive?
they fired the guys. problem solved.

Maybe it is only Republicans that find the thought of teen prostitution and tax evasion offensive?
i'm frankly stupefied that republicans are still trying to seek the moral high ground on the issue of sexual deviancy. over the last few years, they've rewritten the book on degeneracy.

i'm frankly stupefied that republicans are still trying to seek the moral high ground on the issue of sexual deviancy. over the last few years, they've rewritten the book on degeneracy.


But it's not teen prostitutes, just male prostitutes, so it's okay!

Someone's gonna get fired.

You are not outraged that a "Non-Profit" organization that is a beneficiary of Government money not only encourages people to commit tax fraud, but encourages them to claim their underage hookers to be claimed as dependents?

I would think this would be offensive to everybody, Democrat and Republican alike.

Maybe it is only Republicans that find the thought of teen prostitution and tax evasion offensive?


Sure it's offensive.  It's offensive how the right-wing have made ACORN their whipping boy for the past year because they can loosely tie it to Obama.  So they stage crap like this in an attempt to setup random members of the organization.  Eventually you'll catch someone who should know better doing something stupid.

The video footage -- which has been edited and goes to black in some areas   - which speaks volumes as well. A clever editor can make anyone look bad.

and then this:

"This film crew tried to pull this sham at other offices and failed. ACORN wants to see the full video before commenting further," Levenson said.

The conservative filmmakers unsuccessfully attempted similar ruses at the group's offices in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Los Angeles, California, and New York, Levenson said.

what, they tried it multiple times and failed?  I guess the other ACORN offices didn't get their pimp guides or something huh?

this is what you call a "manufactured controversy".  It's the only kind the conservatives can get behind lately (Obama the "facist" is making our kids "socialists" by giving a speach!)

http://rlv.zcache.com/you_know_its_hard_out_here_for_a_pimp_tshirt-p2356622519682922444qdv_400.jpg

ACORN is the new NAMBLA.
:P

http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy100/printboy/obama-the-centrist-52700.jpg

Agreed that this is a manufactured controversy.  Still, don't mess with the organization that brings in the bucks.  Meet the new capo, same as the old capo.

ACORN's power and influence is dramatically overstated. 

True, but their corruption apparently isn't....

I saw no evidence that they gave money or legal referrals to the pimp/prostitute imposters.  They DID talk to them.  ACORN operates in terribly impoverished neighborhoods where you WILL get ALL kinds of people coming in off the street.  If your organization starts behaving in a condemning or threatening way towards unsavory characters, it could jeapardize the safety of their staff, and give them--warranted or not--a reputation on the street as an unhelpful organization.

I'm a guy who has been down and out a few times.  Some of the social service organizations you deal with when you're without dime one are, shall we say, suboptimal in their methods, but not malevolent. 

What is evident to me is that Sean Hannity has demonstrated more outrage over his personal taxes on his multimillion dollar per annum salary than he ever has for the victims of human trafficking.  Thank you very much.
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Maybe it is only Republicans that find the thought of teen prostitution and tax evasion offensive?

ISTM that Republicans only find those things offensive when it's politically expedient - they're quite happy with teen prostitution when it's Republicans hiring the teen prostitutes, and tax evasion is just "one of those things" when it's a rich party donor, right?

If what Chucky says is right, that this was a sting that tried several ACORN centres before they got a bite, then he's also right that this is a manufactured controversy that cannot show the whole organization in the light you want to see it: it obviously isn't corrupt to the core, and you need to rethink your outrage.

Well, obviously a lot of people in Congress think there is more here also.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574412792287663918.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular

The Senate just voted on a proposal to stop all federal payments to ACORN, and to ban any future payments.  And it was hardly a vote along party lines, 83-7.

Of course, this is on top of the voter fraud charges, the charges of failing to pay minimum wage, the charges they require employees to fill quotas, and the embezlement scandle.

Of course, my biggest question is this:  Why were the police not notified when these people came in and made the claims?

ACORN is not exempt from notifying law enforcement when a crime is being committed.  They are not members of the clergy, nor are they doctors or lawyers.  And even those positions where confidentiality is key are required to make at least some kind of report if the welfare of children is at stake.

So even if I were to give the members of ACORN the benefit of the doubt, why was there no call made to law enforcement?  And as a recipiant of federal funds, it is even more important that they follow the laws of this country.  Assisting people in evading taxes and running a child prostitution ring is a gross violation of the public trust.

Well, obviously a lot of people in Congress think there is more here also.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574412792287663918.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular

The Senate just voted on a proposal to stop all federal payments to ACORN, and to ban any future payments.  And it was hardly a vote along party lines, 83-7.


Senate over reacts on hot button issue, news at 11.  The Dems are embarrassed and the vote was brought way too fast, while it's still in the news.  Are all the facts in?  Could you convict someone in court based on this?  No.  Could you make an embarrassing political ad and tie a politician to these people?  Yes.


Of course, this is on top of the voter fraud charges, the charges of failing to pay minimum wage, the charges they require employees to fill quotas, and the embezlement scandle.


the voter fraud charges have already been dismissed incidentally.. but keep throwing that out there.

the embezzlement thing is disgraceful.  it also happens at a lot of other companies, but I don't see them losing all their government contracts.


Of course, my biggest question is this:  Why were the police not notified when these people came in and made the claims?

Because you watch Fox News? 


ACORN is not exempt from notifying law enforcement when a crime is being committed.  They are not members of the clergy, nor are they doctors or lawyers.  And even those positions where confidentiality is key are required to make at least some kind of report if the welfare of children is at stake.


Like I said earlier, they tried this stunt at several other locations, and did call the police on these people multiple times. 

ACORN has 40,000 volunteers and employees.  Eventually you end up finding a couple that don't know their job.

Of the four tapes, the San Bernardino one the woman is clearly aware they are pulling her leg and is playing along.


So even if I were to give the members of ACORN the benefit of the doubt, why was there no call made to law enforcement?  And as a recipiant of federal funds, it is even more important that they follow the laws of this country.  Assisting people in evading taxes and running a child prostitution ring is a gross violation of the public trust.


a lot of "facts" are being reported based on these videos by the right-wing nut-o-sphere, such as the tape where the ACORN worker claims to have murdered someone

http://mediamatters.org/research/200909160023

the voter fraud charges have already been dismissed incidentally.. but keep throwing that out there.


Then why did they turn in several of their own workers just last week for voter fraud?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g5ZxJgjHzO_C-1f0H0FHImQwjR2gD9AJTJ1G0

I would hardly call that "dismissed".  And California is starting investigations into ACORN as well.


the embezzlement thing is disgraceful.  it also happens at a lot of other companies, but I don't see them losing all their government contracts.


Yes, but I think you will find that the vast majority of companies file criminal charges against employees that embezzle funds.  They do not try to hide it.


Because you watch Fox News? 


Uhhh, I watch what news?  There is no "Fox News" out here in Qatar.  I get a "Varied Newsfeed", that includes CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.  The percentage of shows from each network are in the order I listed.  The only Fox shows are O'Riley and Hannity.  Rachel Maddow, Keith Oberman, Anderson Cooper, and the rest are on much more.  When I do my PT in the morning, the gym has the BBC on which I watch.

Most of my news comes from Google News, and Stars & Stripes.  Not counting the 45 minutes of BBC I watch on the treadmill.  I might catch an hour of the other every couple of days.  I probably see more ESPN then I do news.

And I hate ESPN.

ISTM that Republicans only find those things offensive when it's politically expedient - they're quite happy with teen prostitution when it's Republicans hiring the teen prostitutes, and tax evasion is just "one of those things" when it's a rich party donor, right?



Keywords "Tom Delay" and "Saipan."

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But it's like I was saying about the suboptimal social services available to poor people.  I am not great fan of ACORN, and the clowns that talked to those jokers are DUMB.  There is no way on hell's half acre, BTW, I would have believed for a second that those two kids were in the prostitution/human trafficking biz.  If I had been an ACORN volunteer, I would have thrown them out on their ear.  It is morally repugnant, nonetheless, for anybody to dispense advice on how to defraud the IRS for child prostitution.  An investigation is warranted.

I still say ACORN is a red herring and a straw man for the racist/classist fear and hate among the right-wing.

I do maintain that ACORN workers will be dealing with unsavory characters from time to time and often hostility towards these people in their neighborhoods can be dangerous.  It is an imperfect world at best.  However, the cynical preppies that made these videos were obvious phonies.

Then why did they turn in several of their own workers just last week for voter fraud?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g5ZxJgjHzO_C-1f0H0FHImQwjR2gD9AJTJ1G0

I would hardly call that "dismissed".  And California is starting investigations into ACORN as well.

Yes, but I think you will find that the vast majority of companies file criminal charges against employees that embezzle funds.  They do not try to hide it.

Uhhh, I watch what news?   There is no "Fox News" out here in Qatar.  I get a "Varied Newsfeed", that includes CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.  The percentage of shows from each network are in the order I listed.  The only Fox shows are O'Riley and Hannity.  Rachel Maddow, Keith Oberman, Anderson Cooper, and the rest are on much more.  When I do my PT in the morning, the gym has the BBC on which I watch.

Most of my news comes from Google News, and Stars & Stripes.  Not counting the 45 minutes of BBC I watch on the treadmill.  I might catch an hour of the other every couple of days.  I probably see more ESPN then I do news.

And I hate ESPN.


and you're getting your online news from non-Republican sources too? I doubt it really.

California, which is headed by Republican Governator Arnold?   it's a partisan witch hunt that is being driven by the Republicans to distract their base from their lack of progress at stalling the health care bills. It's called going after an easy target and trying to smear the Dems with it. The "evidence" in the Calif. case is a woman so dripping with sarcasm that only a brain dead idiot like Glenn Beck wouldn't pick up on it.

In Florida, the ACORN association found the workers and turned them in.  The investigators from the gov't didn't find these people, that's why the gov't ended it's investigation into the organization.

Even in the article you linked, they mention ACORN was subject to investigations in other states.  Notice a lack of convictions there?  Tons of allegations, eventually you find a couple will stick.  They've been accused in the past, they've routed out the people paid to canvas who forger cards, no big deal.  Now that right-wing shock jocks are paying attention it's the crime of the century.

Incidentally, what did these people accomplish?  They basically stole from ACORN for not performing their work.  Fraudulent voter registration cards (filling in Fred Flintstone for a new voter) isn't going to result in people voting who shouldn't.  I guess we should be thanking the Republicans for pressuring the DA's to actually go after these people instead of ignoring them like they did in the past.

As for major corporations not turning in people for embezzlement, you've clearly never worked in the private sector.  I witnessed it at one of my jobs years ago.  Granted the amount involved with ACORN you'd think they'd go after him.  Most times the company is too embarrassed (and afraid it'll drive their stock price down) or knows they'll never recover it.

Incidentally, what did these people accomplish?  They basically stole from ACORN for not performing their work.  Fraudulent voter registration cards (filling in Fred Flintstone for a new voter) isn't going to result in people voting who shouldn't.  I guess we should be thanking the Republicans for pressuring the DA's to actually go after these people instead of ignoring them like they did in the past.


Exactly.  Bogus voter registration is not the same as voter fraud. 

You can hand in registration cards for Fred Flintstone and Miss Piggy, but that does not mean Fred Flintsone and Miss Piggy get to vote on Election Day.

There was criminal tampering affecting the outcomes of elections, but it was perpetuated by the manufacturers of voting apparatuses, crooked Republican officials, and benefitted Republican candidates, most prominently George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.

I see that today the House voted 345-75 to cut ACORN off the gravy train too.

Disgusting to think that the House has at least 345 racists in its chambers, to go along with those 87 racists in the Senate who similarly voted to cut ACORN off the dole.

Looks like the acorn is turning into a buckeye. 

You can hand in registration cards for Fred Flintstone and Miss Piggy, but that does not mean Fred Flintsone and Miss Piggy get to vote on Election Day.


And why not?  It is groups like ACORN that fight any attempt to require an ID check before voting.

Only 7 states require a photo ID prior to voting in person.  No states require an ID check for absentee ballots.

So yes, I can register as Fred Flintstone.  And I can vote with that name also.  And in Texas, a utility bill in that name is all that is required.  And what is to stop me from registering my power bill under the name Fred Flintstone?  Not a damned thing, they do not care what name you use, as long as the bill is paid.

And why not?  It is groups like ACORN that fight any attempt to require an ID check before voting.

Only 7 states require a photo ID prior to voting in person.  No states require an ID check for absentee ballots.

So yes, I can register as Fred Flintstone.  And I can vote with that name also.  And in Texas, a utility bill in that name is all that is required.  And what is to stop me from registering my power bill under the name Fred Flintstone?  Not a damned thing, they do not care what name you use, as long as the bill is paid.


Good points, and yeah, we really do need a National ID or something of that nature.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/19/AR2009091902550.html

And why not?  It is groups like ACORN that fight any attempt to require an ID check before voting.

Only 7 states require a photo ID prior to voting in person.  No states require an ID check for absentee ballots.

So yes, I can register as Fred Flintstone.  And I can vote with that name also.  And in Texas, a utility bill in that name is all that is required.  And what is to stop me from registering my power bill under the name Fred Flintstone?  Not a damned thing, they do not care what name you use, as long as the bill is paid.


Oh you mean from the elephant shower?  Ya-ba-da-ba-dooo!!!!!

Hey, it's cool with me if Congress passes a law prohibiting any organization that ever filed a fraudulent claim with the U.S. government from receiving government funds.

Goodbye ACORN!

and...Goodbye Blackwater, goodbye Hallliburton, goodbye General Electric, goodbye Republican National Committee....

This bill might work out rather nicely!

;D

Where ACORN signed its own death warrant was helping poor black people register to vote.  That was the REAL problem.  As it was in 1960, so it is now!

and you're getting your online news from non-Republican sources too? I doubt it really.

[bCalifornia, which is headed by Republican Governator Arnold?  it's a partisan witch hunt that is being driven by the Republicans to distract their base from their lack of progress at stalling the health care bills. It's called going after an easy target and trying to smear the Dems with it. The "evidence" in the Calif. case is a woman so dripping with sarcasm that only a brain dead idiot like Glenn Beck wouldn't pick up on it.

In Florida, the ACORN association found the workers and turned them in.  The investigators from the gov't didn't find these people, that's why the gov't ended it's investigation into the organization.

Even in the article you linked, they mention ACORN was subject to investigations in other states.  Notice a lack of convictions there?  Tons of allegations, eventually you find a couple will stick.  They've been accused in the past, they've routed out the people paid to canvas who forger cards, no big deal.  Now that right-wing shock jocks are paying attention it's the crime of the century.

Incidentally, what did these people accomplish?  They basically stole from ACORN for not performing their work.  Fraudulent voter registration cards (filling in Fred Flintstone for a new voter) isn't going to result in people voting who shouldn't.  I guess we should be thanking the Republicans for pressuring the DA's to actually go after these people instead of ignoring them like they did in the past.

As for major corporations not turning in people for embezzlement, you've clearly never worked in the private sector.  I witnessed it at one of my jobs years ago.  Granted the amount involved with ACORN you'd think they'd go after him.  Most times the company is too embarrassed (and afraid it'll drive their stock price down) or knows they'll never recover it.
The Liberal democrats can;t even sell the Health Care Bill to moderate and centrist Dems in the House and your blaming republicans for stalling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDxm--DyavI



Cat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDxm--DyavI

Are things really that bad over there?

I'd be interested to hear from someone on this board who thinks that Acorn really is this corrupt, insidious, even subersive organization, and hear whether they're still convinced of that after watching that report.. and if so, where are they getting their evidence from?

Are things really that bad over there?

I'd be interested to hear from someone on this board who thinks that Acorn really is this corrupt, insidious, even subersive organization, and hear whether they're still convinced of that after watching that report.. and if so, where are they getting their evidence from?


Not sure about this board, but it appears that an overwhelming majority of the US Congress is skeptical enough to cut off funding, and President O'bama has suggested that they need to be investigated.

Not sure about this board, but it appears that an overwhelming majority of the US Congress is skeptical enough to cut off funding, and President O'bama has suggested that they need to be investigated.

er.. so you have politicians running round like headless chickens because of a "scandal" that's all smoke with no fire over there, too?

How much of the scandal with Acorn is actually based in any kind of fact at all?  If, as the link Cat posted alleges, the current bout of Acorn-bashing is basically special-interest-inspired lies, spread by a media that can't be bothered to check its facts such that the majority of the voting public believe it to be true.. then it's hardly surprising that the politicians are gonig to want to make it looks as though they're doing something.

I mean, if you have a Congressman repeating an easily-checkable falsehood about Obama's position within Acorn, how credible are the rest of the allegations about them?

BOTH of our senators didn't vote for that stupid bill cutting ACORN's funding. They are getting some flack for it but I say YAY FOR THEM!!! And yes, I voted for them and will again.


WAY TO GO PAT LEAHY & BERNIE SANDERS!!!!!




Cat

Part 2.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDRvRShXPNc



Cat

Part 3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjTiIpmufK8



Cat

Part 4.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHD_roRL-6o


I really hope people are watching these. This is VERY real and VERY serious.



Cat

You know why those f**kers really hate ACORN?  They hate ACORN because that organization helps poor people and people of color.  Worst of all, they register Blacks and Latins to vote.  Folks who did that used to get lynched and firebombed in certain parts of this country.  Now they're just getting some money taken away from them.  I guess that's progress, eh?
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I note that none of our conservative friends are responding to Rachael's reporting.  What's the story?

The Right is going after a social justice organization over an issue concocted by and for the Right.  They finally found two ACORN volunteers idiotic enough to fall for it.

It wasn't ACORN that got us into this recession.  It isn't ACORN that got us into wars we can't win.  What the Right is doing is fanning the bonfires of racism, which is is ever important to FOX News.

It's funny how there's this guy who really did sell weapons to the Iranians to fund death squads in Central America and cocaine smuggling to the United States, and this guy's name is Lt. Col. Oliver North, considered an American hero by FOX. 

ACORN on the other hand tries to house, clothe, and feed poor folks and improve the economic viability of impoverished neighborhoods, and they're the devil incarnate!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/diablotin.gif

The Right is going after a social justice organization over an issue concocted by and for the Right.  They finally found two ACORN volunteers idiotic enough to fall for it.

It wasn't ACORN that got us into this recession.  It isn't ACORN that got us into wars we can't win.  What the Right is doing is fanning the bonfires of racism, which is is ever important to FOX News.

It's funny how there's this guy who really did sell weapons to the Iranians to fund death squads in Central America and cocaine smuggling to the United States, and this guy's name is Lt. Col. Oliver North, considered an American hero by FOX. 

ACORN on the other hand tries to house, clothe, and feed poor folks and improve the economic viability of impoverished neighborhoods, and they're the devil incarnate!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/03/diablotin.gif


Go figure.

Go figure.


Oh, and I forgot to mention, FOX gave Ollie his own show, "War Stories," glorifying violent death, human suffering, and mankind at its most degraded state -- modern warfare.  Terrific lot at that network, just terrific.

It's just the more I think about this ACORN thing, the more it pisses me off. 
>:(

It is a direct attack on the country's most vulnerable citizens, and those who help them, cowardly disguised as a corruption investigation.  The fact that the American Right has selected ACORN as the object of its wrath only goes to show just how effective ACORN really is.  After all, if they were just a bunch of bumbling screwballs who couldn't get anything done, the Right wouldn't bother with them. 

Cheers to ACORN!
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, FOX gave Ollie his own show, "War Stories," glorifying violent death, human suffering, and mankind at its most degraded state -- modern warfare.  Terrific lot at that network, just terrific.

It's just the more I think about this ACORN thing, the more it pisses me off. 
>:(

It is a direct attack on the country's most vulnerable citizens, and those who help them, cowardly disguised as a corruption investigation.  The fact that the American Right has selected ACORN as the object of its wrath only goes to show just how effective ACORN really is.  After all, if they were just a bunch of bumbling screwballs who couldn't get anything done, the Right wouldn't bother with them. 

Cheers to ACORN!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/02/beerchug.gif


ACORN was the one that got themselves into trouble with those tapes. That was ACORN's fault and nobody elese's fault.

You know why those f**kers really hate ACORN?  They hate ACORN because that organization helps poor people and people of color.  Worst of all, they register Blacks and Latins to vote.  Folks who did that used to get lynched and firebombed in certain parts of this country.  Now they're just getting some money taken away from them.  I guess that's progress, eh?
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What do liberals always pull out the race card? The chairman of the Republican National Committee is black in case you didn't notice.

ACORN was the one that got themselves into trouble with those tapes. That was ACORN's fault and nobody elese's fault.

You mean the tapes where two agents provocateurs went round office after office until they found someone to take the bait?  That wasn't the fault of ACORN as an organization - if you're going to start blaming the entire organization for the actions of two people (who, don't forget, were fired for what they did), then I suggest you start looking at the US Senate (though I'll bet senators don't get fired that quickly when found doing something they shouldn't), or our Houses of Parliament for that matter.  Or pretty much any large-scale business.  All big organizations will have bad apples in.


What do liberals always pull out the race card? The chairman of the Republican National Committee is black in case you didn't notice.

OK.. why do *you* think that so many lies have been told about ACORN?

You mean the tapes where two agents provocateurs went round office after office until they found someone to take the bait?  That wasn't the fault of ACORN as an organization - if you're going to start blaming the entire organization for the actions of two people (who, don't forget, were fired for what they did), then I suggest you start looking at the US Senate (though I'll bet senators don't get fired that quickly when found doing something they shouldn't), or our Houses of Parliament for that matter.  Or pretty much any large-scale business.  All big organizations will have bad apples in.
OK.. why do *you* think that so many lies have been told about ACORN?
I don;t think you get how big the ACORN situation is with the tapes I mean they were talking about braking tax laws, prost*******, and using under age girls doing you know what.

As far as the chairman of the RNC is concerned what does he have to do with spreading lies about ACORN? What lies are you talking about that are being made up about ACORN?

To be fair the 2 people that made the tapes of ACORN should be prosecuted too becuse you are not alllowed too tape anybody in Maryland and California the way they did.

I agree too if US senators or House Reps engage in wrongdoing they should be investigated and that means Charlie Rangel too for his tax evasion I mean he is the guy who makes the tax laws!

I don;t think you get how big the ACORN situation is with the tapes I mean they were talking about braking tax laws, prost*******, and using under age girls doing you know what.
It seems I'm more fully aware of what was going on than you, and I'm a few thousand miles away.  I realize it's a big cause célèbre over there, but it also seems like it has been blown out of all proportion.

OK.. let me put it this way: two ACORN employees were caught giving illegal advice after god knows how many others refused to, and you're condemning the whole organization, nationwide.  As far as I can tell, the strikeout ratio makes the organization at least 90% honest - more now, 'cause they fired the people concerned.


As far as the chairman of the RNC is concerned what does he have to do with spreading lies about ACORN? What lies are you talking about that are being made up about ACORN?
Watch those videos that Cat has linked to, and see what I mean.


To be fair the 2 people that made the tapes of ACORN should be prosecuted too becuse you are not alllowed too tape anybody in Maryland and California the way they did.
Does the word "entrapment" mean anything over there?


I agree too if US senators or House Reps engage in wrongdoing they should be investigated and that means Charlie Rangel too for his tax evasion I mean he is the guy who makes the tax laws!

But what you're doing is condemning the whole organization - to put it in the same terms, it's saying the whole senate is corrupt when you've found a single senator has been fiddling.

The fact that the American Right has selected ACORN as the object of its wrath only goes to show just how effective ACORN really is.  After all, if they were just a bunch of bumbling screwballs who couldn't get anything done, the Right wouldn't bother with them. 



If this were part of the vast right wing conspiracy, so to speak, why did the ACORN Defunding bills pass both houses of the US Congress by near-unanimous margins? (345-75 in the House, 83-7 in the Senate)

If this were the right-wing travesty that you are purporting that it is, I would have expected the Democratic majority in both houses to have squashed the defunding bills like a bug.

If this were part of the vast right wing conspiracy, so to speak, why did the ACORN Defunding bills pass both houses of the US Congress by near-unanimous margins? (345-75 in the House, 83-7 in the Senate)

If this were the right-wing travesty that you are purporting that it is, I would have expected the Democratic majority in both houses to have squashed the defunding bills like a bug.


Good points...  I would agree that it's not solely a right-wing thing.

Then again, I would also suggest that the Democratic Party is not really left-wing overall.  Because of Blue Dog Democrats, the party is really just left of center, while the GOP is pretty solidly right-wing.

What do liberals always pull out the race card? The chairman of the Republican National Committee is black in case you didn't notice.


Why do conservatives always pull out the race card by saying "why do liberals always pull out the race card"? 

Yes, and the fact that Mr. Steele is Black has nothing to do with him being an addled half-wit who talks in some kinda word-salad gibberish.
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If this were part of the vast right wing conspiracy, so to speak, why did the ACORN Defunding bills pass both houses of the US Congress by near-unanimous margins? (345-75 in the House, 83-7 in the Senate)

If this were the right-wing travesty that you are purporting that it is, I would have expected the Democratic majority in both houses to have squashed the defunding bills like a bug.


Ah, and you may well ask this question....I do not cast my lot with the Democrats anymore.  I am now an independent.  After 20 years, from Dukakis to Obama, I finally learned the difference between chicken salad and chickensh*t.  The healthcare debacle is the straw that finally broke the donkey's back.  It showed me it's the same ultra-rich corporate azzholes who OWN both business parties (R & D*), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is the only senator with the stones to stand up for what we need: Single payer.  Why can Bernie do this?  Because he doesn't have to rely on any of the DNC's filth lobbyist money.  As a charitable social advocacy organization, ACORN receives far more than it gives, and the numbers in either direction are minuscule compared to Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Petroleum, Big Science, and Big Brother.  So, the Dems can afford to just wipe ACORN off their soles on the curb like a piece of bubblegum. 

*R & D does not stand for "research and development," here, it stands for "retards and dipsh*ts"!

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Ah, and you may well ask this question....I do not cast my lot with the Democrats anymore.  I am now an independent.  After 20 years, from Dukakis to Obama, I finally learned the difference between chicken salad and chickensh*t.  The healthcare debacle is the straw that finally broke the donkey's back.  It showed me it's the same ultra-rich corporate azzholes who OWN both business parties (R & D*), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is the only senator with the stones to stand up for what we need: Single payer.  Why can Bernie do this?  Because he doesn't have to rely on any of the DNC's filth lobbyist money.  As a charitable social advocacy organization, ACORN receives far more than it gives, and the numbers in either direction are minuscule compared to Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Petroleum, Big Science, and Big Brother.  So, the Dems can afford to just wipe ACORN off their soles on the curb like a piece of bubblegum. 

*R & D does not stand for "research and development," here, it stands for "retards and dipsh*ts"!

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Its not about coorperations its about the "Blue Dog Democrats" who want to get re-eclected again who won in Republican districts in 2006. I mean if you are in a liberal state or district(Nancy Pelosi's district) you can vote for the public option but senators like Blanche Linclon(D-Arkansas) or Senator Bayue (D-Indiana) really can't vote for the public option. Max Baucus(D-Montana) or Kent Conrad(D-North Dakota) can't vote for the public option either because they are in Republican states.

Your right about Bernie Sanders he is his own man and doesn;t care about wether he'll get re-elected again.

It seems I'm more fully aware of what was going on than you, and I'm a few thousand miles away.  I realize it's a big cause célèbre over there, but it also seems like it has been blown out of all proportion.

OK.. let me put it this way: two ACORN employees were caught giving illegal advice after god knows how many others refused to, and you're condemning the whole organization, nationwide.  As far as I can tell, the strikeout ratio makes the organization at least 90% honest - more now, 'cause they fired the people concerned.
Watch those videos that Cat has linked to, and see what I mean.
Does the word "entrapment" mean anything over there?
But what you're doing is condemning the whole organization - to put it in the same terms, it's saying the whole senate is corrupt when you've found a single senator has been fiddling.

Well then where is the evidence that ACORN people who were as you refer to as honest called the cops. Give me phone records than I'll be believe it.

Entrapment- we are a country of laws.

As far as comparing  the ACORN tapes to a whole senate being corrupt I think your comparing apples to oranges.

As far as CAT's provided video's I'll take a look at a later date.

Why do conservatives always pull out the race card by saying "why do liberals always pull out the race card"?  

Yes, and the fact that Mr. Steele is Black has nothing to do with him being an addled half-wit who talks in some kinda word-salad gibberish.
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Why do conservatives always pull out the race card by saying "why do liberals always pull out the race card"?    

I don't know.

Yes, and the fact that Mr. Steele is Black has nothing to do with him being an addled half-wit who talks in some kinda word-salad gibberish.
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I understand there are times when Steele puts his foot in his mouth when he talks but there are times when he sounds intelligent.

After 20 years, from Dukakis to Obama...

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Aw, come on now.  Dukakis looked pretty good wearing those earmuffs back in '88, you gotta admit.

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Its not about coorperations its about the "Blue Dog Democrats" who want to get re-eclected again who won in Republican districts in 2006. I mean if you are in a liberal state or district(Nancy Pelosi's district) you can vote for the public option but senators like Blanche Linclon(D-Arkansas) or Senator Bayue (D-Indiana) really can't vote for the public option. Max Baucus(D-Montana) or Kent Conrad(D-North Dakota) can't vote for the public option either because they are in Republican states.

Your right about Bernie Sanders he is his own man and doesn;t care about wether he'll get re-elected again.


I know there are several "Blue Dogs" who got elected in predominantly Republican districts/states when the the GOP was at its popular ebb.  However, if they think obstructing healtchare reform is going to save their sorry asses, they're sorely mistaken.  As long as the economy is in the tank and folks are scare and hurting, they're going to throw da bums out!  That has been the true success of this summer's "town hall" meetings--stirring up hatred.

I think Bernie will get re-elected, if I know Vermonters.
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Well then where is the evidence that ACORN people who were as you refer to as honest called the cops. Give me phone records than I'll be believe it.
Why do I need evidence of honest people calling the police?  It's not me who's condemning an organization as corrupt.


Entrapment- we are a country of laws.
And "entrapment" - the enticement to commit an offence which, without that enticement, would not have been committed - is generally considered a valid defence.  You are also a country, I believe, where a suspect is innocent until proven guilty.. am I right?



As far as comparing  the ACORN tapes to a whole senate being corrupt I think your comparing apples to oranges.

What I was doing was applying your logic to a different organization - you think that two people getting caught with their proverbial pants down makes the entire organization corrupt - why?  What makes you think this?


As far as CAT's provided video's I'll take a look at a later date.

I suggest we hang fire on this conversation until you have had a look.

Here is another interesting film about ACORN. I hope everyone will watch this.



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