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Subject: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 6:40 am
Apparently, Obama now has a square mustache, and is German....
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/traffic/2009/08/obama_as_hitler_at_mva_its_leg.html
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: Mushroom on 08/24/09 at 9:43 am
Apparently, Obama now has a square mustache, and is German....
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/traffic/2009/08/obama_as_hitler_at_mva_its_leg.html
Portraying President Bush as Hitler - good
Portraying President Obama as Hitler - bad
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: ChuckyG on 08/24/09 at 11:26 am
Portraying President Bush as Hitler - good
Portraying President Obama as Hitler - bad
::)
Can you name ONE thing that Obama has done in 8 months that would be considered Nazi-ish? I can think of several things Bush did (illegal wiretaps, press manipulation for war support, etc) that could be pulled straight from the Nazi playbook. If we were three years in, yeah, I'm sure something will bubble out of the office that could make an apt comparison.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/24/09 at 11:31 am
Portraying President Bush as Hitler - good
Portraying President Obama as Hitler - bad
::)
Bush acted more like Hitler than Obama.
-Invading a sovereign nation for no reason. (WMD lie doesn't count).
-Creating distrust against people of a certain religion. (Hitler: Jews. Bush: Muslims).
-War against Terror was really a war against Islam (the Final Solution was a war against Jews).
-Putting people in prison without being charge and tortured.
-Tried to silence dissension.
-Ruled by keeping everyone in fear.
The list goes on.
Cat
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: AL-B Mk. III on 08/24/09 at 2:34 pm
Portraying President Bush as Hitler - good
Portraying President Obama as Hitler - bad
::)
Um...I'm with 'Shroom on this one.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: Paul on 08/24/09 at 2:50 pm
Hm...in a roundabout way you could say the same about our dear, departed chum Tone...
Bush Blair acted more like Hitler than Obama.
-Invading a sovereign nation for no reason. (WMD lie doesn't count).
-Creating distrust against people of a certain religion. (Hitler: Jews. Bush: Muslims).
-War against Terror was really a war against Islam (the Final Solution was a war against Jews).
-Putting people in prison without being charge and tortured.
-Tried to silence dissension.
-Ruled by keeping everyone in fear kissing everyone's backside when it suited!
(The 'fear factor' was supplied by Cherie! (Shudder!))
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: ChuckyG on 08/24/09 at 2:50 pm
http://imgur.com/O7rgP
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 3:08 pm
I don't know if you heard about the Barney Frank that was going around. He was at a town meeting and a woman held up one of those Obama hitler posters when she asked her question. This is the response she got.
(by the way, Frank is Jewish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
NOW THAT'S IRONY!
;D
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 3:15 pm
Can you name ONE thing that Obama has done in 8 months that would be considered Nazi-ish? I can think of several things Bush did (illegal wiretaps, press manipulation for war support, etc) that could be pulled straight from the Nazi playbook. If we were three years in, yeah, I'm sure something will bubble out of the office that could make an apt comparison.
They are suggested he is Hitler because.....
- pushing "Socialized" Health care.
- is in favor of creating a "Death panel".
- is taking money away from people.
- taling over banks, houses, and companies.
- palling around with the enemy.
- not Catholic enough, or possibly a secret Muslim.
- is treated like a demi-god.
- wants to turn America into a socialized dictorship.
- has people blindly following him.
::)
Here is an intersting website.
http://obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com/
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: CatwomanofV on 08/24/09 at 3:31 pm
Being called a Socialist isn't scary enough anymore (that scare tactic stopped working after McCarthyism died out) so you need something new and just as scary. Oh yeah, Nazism. That always scares people. Unfortunately, these people have no idea what Socialism or Nazism really are. I really wish that people would study History & study Political Science before throwing around words that they don't understand. The thing is, both of these are on different sides of the political spectrum. He can't be BOTH!
BTW, I wish he were a Socialist.
Cat
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 3:46 pm
Being called a Socialist isn't scary enough anymore (that scare tactic stopped working after McCarthyism died out) so you need something new and just as scary. Oh yeah, Nazism. That always scares people. Unfortunately, these people have no idea what Socialism or Nazism really are. I really wish that people would study History & study Political Science before throwing around words that they don't understand. The thing is, both of these are on different sides of the political spectrum. He can't be BOTH!
BTW, I wish he were a Socialist.
Cat
I know...... it like calling a cat a dog, when it's clearly a cat, not a dog.
People are becoming more stupid now adays, seriously.
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: ChuckyG on 08/24/09 at 4:17 pm
They are suggested he is Hitler because.....
- pushing "Socialized" Health care.
which has nothing to do with the Nazi's who never had it, and weren't socialists. That's a pretty sad comparison
- is in favor of creating a "Death panel".
which is a fabricated nonsense talking point invented by the right wing
- is taking money away from people.
moeny they were given by the previous administration with their upper income tax cut during better times
- taling over banks, houses, and companies.
huh? are you talking about the bailouts? those are LOANS to the banks. Name a company the gov't took over? The car companies certainly weren't taken over. Bush started that process incidentally.
- palling around with the enemy.
HUH?
- not Catholic enough, or possibly a secret Muslim.
more lies, not even worth disproving those because the people who believe them haven't got a full deck of cards to play with
- is treated like a demi-god.
as opposed to Bush? c'mon, really... the southern churches were having huge pro-Bush rallies pretty much the entire time he was in office
- wants to turn America into a socialized dictorship.
again, no proof whatsoever of that so far
- has people blindly following him.
repeated from above talking point... and if you think that, you've clearly never read anything outside a right-wing website, because the liberals are taking him to task for plenty.
There's plenty of evidence to back up the accusations leveled at Bush/Cheney. There's nothing to back up ANY of the above claims. Ooohh... people like him is about the only thing I can't disprove. How awful. I guess Britney Spears is Hitler too.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 4:34 pm
which has nothing to do with the Nazi's who never had it, and weren't socialists. That's a pretty sad comparison
which is a fabricated nonsense talking point invented by the right wing
moeny they were given by the previous administration with their upper income tax cut during better times
huh? are you talking about the bailouts? those are LOANS to the banks. Name a company the gov't took over? The car companies certainly weren't taken over. Bush started that process incidentally.
HUH?
more lies, not even worth disproving those because the people who believe them haven't got a full deck of cards to play with
as opposed to Bush? c'mon, really... the southern churches were having huge pro-Bush rallies pretty much the entire time he was in office
again, no proof whatsoever of that so far
repeated from above talking point... and if you think that, you've clearly never read anything outside a right-wing website, because the liberals are taking him to task for plenty.
There's plenty of evidence to back up the accusations leveled at Bush/Cheney. There's nothing to back up ANY of the above claims. Ooohh... people like him is about the only thing I can't disprove. How awful. I guess Britney Spears is Hitler too.
Those were the reasons, give for way, he apparently is Hitler....
By those with too much time on their hands.
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/24/09 at 4:36 pm
By the way, those posters?
Remind of show cheesy photoshop thing, someone would do.
Or a five year old, defacing a picture of their teacher, by adding horns and a tail.
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: danootaandme on 08/24/09 at 5:39 pm
I don't know if you heard about the Barney Frank video that was going around. He was at a town meeting and a woman held up one of those Obama hitler posters when she asked her question. This is the response she got.
(by the way, Frank is Jewish)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: ChuckyG on 08/24/09 at 5:44 pm
I don't know if you heard about the Barney Frank video that was going around. He was at a town meeting and a woman held up one of those Obama hitler posters when she asked her question. This is the response she got.
(by the way, Frank is Jewish)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
yeah he was rife with come backs that night...kind of refreshing.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: danootaandme on 08/24/09 at 5:48 pm
I was loving it!
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: Macphisto on 08/24/09 at 7:18 pm
Portraying Obama as Hitler is legal, but not accurate.
I find the Godwinning types rather annoying, but if we prohibit them from speaking their minds, we go down a slippery slope of thought crime.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/24/09 at 9:20 pm
Um...I'm with 'Shroom on this one.
Yeah, me too!
;)
(I am sorry to have to say Obama might be more of, uh, Neville Chamberlain figure.)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MrCleveland on 08/25/09 at 1:44 pm
In the opinion of Dr. Lawrence Britt...there's 14 signs of Fascism!
1-Powerful and continuing Nationalism. Both Bush AND Obama years had flags and symbols of these guys. Bush had the flags, Obama had the paraphernalia.
2-Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights. Bush had torture, Obama has Health Care which can danger life!
3-Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. Well, Bush both had Democrats and Islams. Obama's is (dare I say it?) WASPs.
4-Supremacy of the Military. Bush's Administration had that...but FDR's administration did too. Obama's Administration really isn't that much for now.
5-Rampant Sexism. Here's where I disagree with both Bush and Obama Administrations. Both had females working with them and the gay community isn't happy with Obama right now.
6-Controlled Mass Media. Hello? FOX and CNN?
7-Obsession with National Security. Not as much as 9/11, but only time will tell.
8-Religion and Government are Intertwined. Like I heard that one before!
9-Corporate Power is Protected. Bush had Halliburton, Obama has Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
10-Labor Power is Suppressed. I didn't see this one happen much.
11-Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. Bernie Mac was criticized by poking fun at Obama!
12-Obsession with Crime and Punishment. A guy gets arrested for breaking in his own home?! I don't know if this is argumentative or not.
13-Rampant Cronyism and Corruption. Cash-for-Clunkers and the Porkulus Plan. 'Nuff said.
14-Fraudulent Elections. Could Acorn have been part of this election?
WARNING-You may disagree...a lot!
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: danootaandme on 08/25/09 at 4:58 pm
In the opinion of Dr. Lawrence Britt...there's 14 signs of Fascism!
1-Powerful and continuing Nationalism. Both Bush AND Obama years had flags and symbols of these guys. Bush had the flags, Obama had the paraphernalia.
Pins and buttons are not examples of extreme nationalism
2-Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights. Bush had torture, Obama has Health Care which can danger life!
Health care which can endanger life? Barney Frank has to bring you up to speed on this one.
3-Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause. Well, Bush both had Democrats and Islams. Obama's is (dare I say it?) WASPs.
Not Wasps at all, many are on his side. I would say far right conservatives, and those who are not faithful to their meds.
4-Supremacy of the Military. Bush's Administration had that...but FDR's administration did too. Obama's Administration really isn't that much for now.
Well, Roosevelt was fighting WWII and Hitler, whereas Bush was making money for Halliburton, Cheney, The Saudis(that would include the Bin Ladens, and the Bush Family Trust
5-Rampant Sexism. Here's where I disagree with both Bush and Obama Administrations. Both had females working with them and the gay community isn't happy with Obama right now.
What gave you that idea. Their may be disagreements, but not wide spread dissatisfaction.
6-Controlled Mass Media. Hello? FOX and CNN?
There has always been a controlled mass media. Fortunately there are those out there brave enough to do the right thing. Now, with the internet it is like the wild west.
7-Obsession with National Security. Not as much as 9/11, but only time will tell.
We never really know how bad it is until about 25 years later.
8-Religion and Government are Intertwined. Like I heard that one before!
We are continually fighting the good fight on that.
9-Corporate Power is Protected. Bush had Halliburton, Obama has Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Bush and Cheney were Halliburton, Obama has to deal with Fannie and Freddie. Major difference.
10-Labor Power is Suppressed. I didn't see this one happen much.
Labor has been systematically stripped of its power, in a serious way, since Ronald Reagan.
11-Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. Bernie Mac was criticized by poking fun at Obama!
Is this supposed to be an example of disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. Bernie Mac criticizing Obama hardly rises to the occasion. Comedians have been having a field day with all these guys. As for the Intellectuals, whoever they are, they don't seem to be to worried about speaking their minds at the moment.
12-Obsession with Crime and Punishment. A guy gets arrested for breaking in his own home?! I don't know if this is argumentative or not.
This is mild compared to the abuses suffered daily by citizens. They are now finding out that the Reagan era of build more prisons hasn't really worked, except to the advantage of the private corporations that run them.
13-Rampant Cronyism and Corruption. Cash-for-Clunkers and the Porkulus Plan. 'Nuff said.
This goes back as far as George Washington.
14-Fraudulent Elections. Could Acorn have been part of this election?
This is also a part of the heritage of America, although the Supreme Court calling the election in favor of bush in the first term was a first.
WARNING-You may disagree...a lot!
It is not so much disagree as this seems to be a bit light on its examples.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: Mushroom on 08/26/09 at 1:40 am
Yeah, me too!
;)
(I am sorry to have to say Obama might be more of, uh, Neville Chamberlain figure.)
Actually, I find all of this kind of name calling to be childish. And when somebody compares a person to one of the top 5 mass murderers of the last century, it is even worse.
And it bothers me when people go saying "Oh, it is OK when I say it about your guy, but don't you dare say it about mine!" It's kind of like "When is a racist comment not a racist comment?" Well, when it is aimed at somebody you don't like obviously.
I have seen this happen evert 4-8 years my entire life in this country. One side spends the time sitting on the sidelines, making that the person in office is the devil incarnate, and making plans for when they return to office. Then that happens, and they seem so confused when others do it right back at them. It is even sillier when they people use the exact same imagery to do so.
And funniest yet, when they still try to defend their use of it, while denying that ability to others.
Do I think President Obama is evil? No. However, he is riding on a huge Cult of Personality. And like most instances, there is no middle ground, you are either with him or against him. And no matter how well or poorly he does, there will people that will support him to the end, or follow him into flames willingly.
Just so long as he makes the trains run on time.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MrCleveland on 08/26/09 at 3:24 pm
Pins and buttons are not examples of extreme nationalism
Health care which can endanger life? Barney Frank has to bring you up to speed on this one.
Not Wasps at all, many are on his side. I would say far right conservatives, and those who are not faithful to their meds.
Well, Roosevelt was fighting WWII and Hitler, whereas Bush was making money for Halliburton, Cheney, The Saudis(that would include the Bin Ladens, and the Bush Family Trust
What gave you that idea. Their may be disagreements, but not wide spread dissatisfaction.
There has always been a controlled mass media. Fortunately there are those out there brave enough to do the right thing. Now, with the internet it is like the wild west.
We never really know how bad it is until about 25 years later.
We are continually fighting the good fight on that.
Bush and Cheney were Halliburton, Obama has to deal with Fannie and Freddie. Major difference.
Labor has been systematically stripped of its power, in a serious way, since Ronald Reagan.
Is this supposed to be an example of disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts. Bernie Mac criticizing Obama hardly rises to the occasion. Comedians have been having a field day with all these guys. As for the Intellectuals, whoever they are, they don't seem to be to worried about speaking their minds at the moment.
This is mild compared to the abuses suffered daily by citizens. They are now finding out that the Reagan era of build more prisons hasn't really worked, except to the advantage of the private corporations that run them.
This goes back as far as George Washington.
This is also a part of the heritage of America, although the Supreme Court calling the election in favor of bush in the first term was a first.
It is not so much disagree as this seems to be a bit light on its examples.
That's okay. I think the whole 14 Signs of Fascism is bullsheesh anyhow. We're a Republic, but we are VERY Opinionated.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/26/09 at 8:56 pm
Actually, I find all of this kind of name calling to be childish. And when somebody compares a person to one of the top 5 mass murderers of the last century, it is even worse.
And it bothers me when people go saying "Oh, it is OK when I say it about your guy, but don't you dare say it about mine!" It's kind of like "When is a racist comment not a racist comment?" Well, when it is aimed at somebody you don't like obviously.
I have seen this happen evert 4-8 years my entire life in this country. One side spends the time sitting on the sidelines, making that the person in office is the devil incarnate, and making plans for when they return to office. Then that happens, and they seem so confused when others do it right back at them. It is even sillier when they people use the exact same imagery to do so.
And funniest yet, when they still try to defend their use of it, while denying that ability to others.
Do I think President Obama is evil? No. However, he is riding on a huge Cult of Personality. And like most instances, there is no middle ground, you are either with him or against him. And no matter how well or poorly he does, there will people that will support him to the end, or follow him into flames willingly.
Just so long as he makes the trains run on time.
Obama's cult of personality is fading fast, and well it should. He took a Faustian bargain.
I am serious. If you look at what fascist governments do, I find the Bush Administration to be quite fascist indeed. You don't need death squads and concentration camps to practice fascism.
However, Obama is not standing up to the fascist legacy that developed with the national security state in the Cold War. It did not start with Dubya, but he exacerbated it. Clinton got right on the fascist bandwagon too, and that's why he didn't get my vote in '96, and for the same reason, Obama's not getting my vote in 2012.
The only president who ran counter to the fascist state was Jimmy Carter, and he's now considered a joke by the mainstream meda.
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: danootaandme on 08/27/09 at 6:06 am
The only president who ran counter to the fascist state was Jimmy Carter, and he's now considered a joke by the mainstream meda.
::)
;)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: SemperYoda on 08/27/09 at 8:19 am
Interesting article. A friend of mine posted this on his facebook.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/23221
A person responded with this:
The reigns of power in this country are supposed to be in the hands of the people. Not some intellectual technocrats in DC. I'll concede that the anger is coming from a feeling of losing power--but I think that is a perfectly appropriate reaction to a fundamental reordering of the social contract, which diminishes the common man's liberty.
To me, I would rather not have the reigns of power in the hands of these "angry" people. I would also not like the reigns of power to be in the hands of the extreme left. I think Thomas Jefferson said basically that in order for the government to work, we needed an educated populace. So, the right is reorders the social contract and that is alright, but if a liberal does it, then all hell breaks loose? This is a perfectly appropriate reaction? Give me a break. People have the right to be angry, but sh!t, at least have something legitimate to be angry for. Tell me, since the founding of our government, when have we not had intellectuals in office? Government may be a problem, but the real problem is the corporations that run the country.
I guess there is no point in dwelling on the past, but it just boggles my mind. I can't believe that we wage a war in Iraq, were motivations are suspect at best, and lose military personnel left and right. Civilian casualties are very high. Constitution is thought of as just a piece of paper. Yet, many people on the right were perfectly fine with this. They thought George Bush was just like them, they were secure, America is big and bad, and we are beating those Muslim Terrorists. However, they don't want health care reform. They are more scared about government takeover than letting every American have the chance to get access to affordable healthcare and insurance. And OMG, we have a black president, and he was born in Kenya. ::) The fight does go back and forth, but I don't remember liberals showing up at rallies with guns. The left getting angry over a botched election in 2000 is, in my opinion, different than getting angry because of a fear of an imaginary takeover from socialists.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/29/09 at 1:39 am
;)
And now he's an anti-semite for blowing the lid on the proposed two-state solution!
::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: danootaandme on 08/29/09 at 7:21 am
And now he's an anti-semite for blowing the lid on the proposed two-state solution!
::)
Right! Talk about Profiles in Courage, they should use him as the model.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: tv on 08/29/09 at 4:21 pm
Ok Obama is like Hitler thats crazy. I mean I might not agree with Obama's poiicy's but too compare too Hitler is a little extreme. I saw a poster of Obama with a Hitler type mustache on Obama during the health care protests I mean thats a little extreme come on.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/29/09 at 5:29 pm
It gets wackier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMW63_bUGwU
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 08/29/09 at 7:36 pm
"I'm not European, I don't plan on being European, so what do I care if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists and it still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car!"
--Ferris Bueller
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 08/29/09 at 8:26 pm
"I'm not European, I don't plan on being European, so what do I care if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists and it still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car!"
--Ferris Bueller
Maxwell Smart, you're my hero....
;D
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: Foo Bar on 08/29/09 at 10:08 pm
"I'm not European, I don't plan on being European, so what do I care if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists and it still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car!"
--Ferris Bueller
Reminds me of the modern-day equivalent...
http://adamthinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/obama_nazi_communist_muslim_peace.jpg
:)
There once was a time when the only people with computers were small-L-libertarian nerds. When they got drummed out of the Elephant wing of the Party around the time of the Schiavo debacle, the only people who remained were people who couldn't use Photoshop.
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 09/06/09 at 9:25 pm
Someone actually went into a greater detail about the whole, thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E&feature=related
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 09/07/09 at 9:50 am
Remember it was Bush, who was compared to Hitler, now it's Obama.
::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tTQ34y4Ww0
You can't have it both ways! >:( Only one, can be compared, not both!
Make up your fraking minds, already!
>:(
Also, If Obama is Hitler where is the concentration camps and mass genocide?
And please, don't answer by sayinghe magic word..... Death Panels. ::)
Subject: Re: Heil, Obama?
Written By: JamieMcBain on 09/08/09 at 9:50 pm
An interesting article to check out.....
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/AnalogiesUSPresheeshlerMegan.htm