Thank you, Rice and snoz. Unlike Jessica and her endless need to insult, insinuate, and belittle, YOU TWO gave me a sensible explanation.
Incidentally snoz, I could've talked with you forever without knowing(or caring) about the color of your skin. Makes no difference to me.
For the record, I am a straight-ahead egalitarian, which means I believe in equal rights regardless of race, gender, religion, or lifestyle.
BTW FB, I like the motto of "Straight but not Narrow". Live and let Live.

Rice & snoz's Pal,
Doc
8)



you completely contradict yourself... you claim to be for equal rights as long as people who want to engage in a same sex relationship only do so in their bedrooms. the minute they want to have the right to marry, file joint taxes and, oh I don't, have a legal say in what happens to their partner in the er you scream foul! 

If you're for equality then be for it 100%  >:(

Actually if you agree with Eichelberger you don't believe in equal rights.  He makes it a point to say "traditional values" is more important than equal rights.  So you're either trying way to hard to tow the Conservative Christian line or what you have said is a lie. 


what was said is a lie... I have the proof in a pm... I'm not gonna pull it out right now but its there and Doc I will use it if I have too!

Remember you should always be careful what you type for the words you write may come back and haunt you!

what was said is a lie... I have the proof in a pm... I'm not gonna pull it out right now but its there and Doc I will use it if I have too!

Remember you should always be careful what you type for the words you write may come back and haunt you!
he PMed me once and called me a terrorist and told me to get out of his country, words to that effect. real extreme stuff.

Thank you, Rice and snoz. Unlike Jessica and her endless need to insult, insinuate, and belittle, YOU TWO gave me a sensible explanation.
Incidentally snoz, I could've talked with you forever without knowing(or caring) about the color of your skin. Makes no difference to me.
For the record, I am a straight-ahead egalitarian, which means I believe in equal rights regardless of race, gender, religion, or lifestyle.
BTW FB, I like the motto of "Straight but not Narrow". Live and let Live.

Rice & snoz's Pal,
Doc
8)


OH NOES!!!1111  You're not my pal!!!!  I'm so wounded! :\'(















NOT.



he PMed me once and called me a terrorist and told me to get out of his country, words to that effect. real extreme stuff.


He PMed me this past week with something or other....forget what though, although he did try and make it sound like I PMed him first in the Parah Salin thread.

yet they still come to my door... I'd rather have a bunch of gay men at my door then a bunch of straight Jehovah's Witnesses... wait, what? 


True story:

Once when I was at Jess' parents' house some Jehovah's Witnesses came to the door.  I am not particularly PC, so I yelled at the family to come check it out because there were "some black people" at the door.  Didn't even think about it, wasn't trying to be racist, but it was good for a few LAWLZ, especially when Jess' sister told them no thanks because she worshipped Satan ;D

Carry on.

True story:

Once when I was at Jess' parents' house some Jehovah's Witnesses came to the door.  I am not particularly PC, so I yelled at the family to come check it out because there were "some black people" at the door.  Didn't even think about it, wasn't trying to be racist, but it was good for a few LAWLZ, especially when Jess' sister told them no thanks because she worshipped Satan ;D

Carry on.


It didn't help that Blue was trying to attack them. ;D

Thank you, Rice and snoz. Unlike Jessica and her endless need to insult, insinuate, and belittle, YOU TWO gave me a sensible explanation.
Incidentally snoz, I could've talked with you forever without knowing(or caring) about the color of your skin. Makes no difference to me.
For the record, I am a straight-ahead egalitarian, which means I believe in equal rights regardless of race, gender, religion, or lifestyle.
BTW FB, I like the motto of "Straight but not Narrow". Live and let Live.

Rice & snoz's Pal,
Doc
8)


Oh...God...coffee just came out of my nose.  Ouch. 

I really don't understand why people are so against gays getting married. I just can't fathom why people put so much money into fighting this. I'm sure most of you know that I have 2 gay nieces. One is in a committed relationship. They have a Civil Union but now that Vermont has legalized gay marriage, they will get married. I don't GET how the fact that they can get married will have ANY effect on mine & Carlos' marriage.  ??? I always said, that I look forward to dancing at their wedding like they danced at ours. Will someone explain to me how letting these two women marry will have ANY effect on society? Are they going to hurt anyone because they get married? Personally, I don't think the sky will fall when they do get married.



Cat

I really don't understand why people are so against gays getting married. I just can't fathom why people put so much money into fighting this. I'm sure most of you know that I have 2 gay nieces. One is in a committed relationship. They have a Civil Union but now that Vermont has legalized gay marriage, they will get married. I don't GET how the fact that they can get married will have ANY effect on mine & Carlos' marriage.  ??? I always said, that I look forward to dancing at their wedding like they danced at ours. Will someone explain to me how letting these two women marry will have ANY effect on society? Are they going to hurt anyone because they get married? Personally, I don't think the sky will fall when they do get married.



Cat


It's because it's really icky and gross.  Icky and gross stuff shouldn't be allowed in civilized society.

::)  ::)

Hope all y'all know I was being sarcastic as all heck.

Don't forget sexual orientation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCWz9U0MtoI


And Booger has one for our "pal" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-D9oSMLBw&NR=1
:D

It's because it's really icky and gross.  Icky and gross stuff shouldn't be allowed in civilized society.

What, that's what Cat's nieces are called?

But seriously, I've never understood why some people have such a hang-up about homosexuality - so much so, they think that their all-powerful, all-knowing God who in theory created homosexuals along with everyone else.. they think this God of theirs cares about it, too.  Words fail me when I try and express just how ridiculous an idea that seems to me to be.

http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/engrish-funny-immoral-behaviour.jpg?w=453&h=604

What, that's what Cat's nieces are called?

But seriously, I've never understood why some people have such a hang-up about homosexuality - so much so, they think that their all-powerful, all-knowing God who in theory created homosexuals along with everyone else.. they think this God of theirs cares about it, too.  Words fail me when I try and express just how ridiculous an idea that seems to me to be.


There are a few people I know that aren't religious and have problems with homosexuality.  Go figure.

There are a few people I know that aren't religious and have problems with homosexuality.  Go figure.



As Rice said, it is the Ick factor.



Cat

I honestly think that the thought of homosexuality stirs something deep within them that they absolutely cannot tolerate and so they feel they must supress it in others.  I don't care what anyone says, we have all at least wondered what it might be like to be with someone of the same sex.  Some people can't even admit it to themselves, let alone anyone else. 

That's what it all comes down to isn't it?  Jess mentioned it earlier.  The people who yell the loudest are usually the ones with the most to hide. 

I am proud to say that not only do I find women attractive, I have had the pleasure of a woman's company in the Biblical sense.  If I'm going to hell for it, it was totally worth it.

That's what it all comes down to isn't it?  Jess mentioned it earlier.  The people who yell the loudest are usually the ones with the most to hide. 



Or as Larry Craig put it,

I AM NOT GAY!!!

As Rice said, it is the Ick factor.



Cat





Have to wonder how many of them watch lesbian porn and such?  I'm not sure how much of it really is the ick factor and how much is fear of a legitimate human behavior?

Have to wonder how many of them watch lesbian porn and such?  I'm not sure how much of it really is the ick factor and how much is fear of a legitimate human behavior?


They don't like the part where real lesbians don't look anything like in the movies :D

They don't like the part where real lesbians don't look anything like in the movies :D


You mean real lesbians don't look like models??? :o  My God I wonder what would happen if they found out real lesbians work, pay taxes and some even go to church!!!

You mean real lesbians don't look like models??? :o  My God I wonder what would happen if they found out real lesbians work, pay taxes and some even go to church!!!


...and they don't have cooties!

OK, fine. I have no problem with people who want to lead alternate lifestyles(Which is how I alluded to sexual orientaion in my last post, BTW.), so yes, for me it is the 'Ick factor'. But does it have to be thrown in my face everytime I turn on the TV or pick up a magazine? Do you guys really think television mirrors reality, where every third person wants to get it on with someone of the same sex? And isn't there something besides sex that people talk about in real life? Not even every Seinfeld episode was as explicit as The Contest or Elaine's "FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!". That's all I've ever tried to say. Anyone who wants to carry on a homosexual relation ship is fine with me, just don't ask me to participate, and I don't want to see it on television. Seems the only people on the tube who aren't talking about sex anymore are the corpses on CSI ! Isn't there more to life?

Now Tia, I apologized years ago for what I posted, despite the Anti-American sentiment of what I replied to. But Jessica has done nothing but sling mud at me ever since I first offered my opinion on this thread.
My point from the very beginning has been, doesn't the government have more Important issues to discuss? So if everyone(Especially Jessica) would stop trying to paint me as some hatemonger, I woud seriously appreciate it!

Just someone alone in his beliefs,
Doc
:-\\

This shouldn't even be the government's business, really.  Just let everyone get married to whatever human they want.

OK, fine. I have no problem with people who want to lead alternate lifestyles(Which is how I alluded to sexual orientaion in my last post, BTW.), so yes, for me it is the 'Ick factor'. But does it have to be thrown in my face everytime I turn on the TV or pick up a magazine? Do you guys really think television mirrors reality, where every third person wants to get it on with someone of the same sex? And isn't there something besides sex that people talk about in real life? Not even every Seinfeld episode was as explicit as The Contest or Elaine's "FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!". That's all I've ever tried to say. Anyone who wants to carry on a homosexual relation ship is fine with me, just don't ask me to participate, and I don't want to see it on television. Seems the only people on the tube who aren't talking about sex anymore are the corpses on CSI ! Isn't there more to life?

Now Tia, I apologized years ago for what I posted, despite the Anti-American sentiment of what I replied to. But Jessica has done nothing but sling mud at me ever since I first offered my opinion on this thread.
My point from the very beginning has been, doesn't the government have more Important issues to discuss? So if everyone(Especially Jessica) would stop trying to paint me as some hatemonger, I woud seriously appreciate it!

Just someone alone in his beliefs,
Doc
:-\\


Stop ragging on Jessica.  You're just mad because she's right.

This shouldn't even be the government's business, really.  Just let everyone get married to whatever human they want.

Exactly, Rice. And I'd rather not see it on every news channel, either.

Reporting live from Common Ground,
Doc
8)

OK, fine. I have no problem with people who want to lead alternate lifestyles(Which is how I alluded to sexual orientaion in my last post, BTW.), so yes, for me it is the 'Ick factor'. But does it have to be thrown in my face everytime I turn on the TV or pick up a magazine? Do you guys really think television mirrors reality, where every third person wants to get it on with someone of the same sex? And isn't there something besides sex that people talk about in real life? Not even every Seinfeld episode was as explicit as The Contest or Elaine's "FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!". That's all I've ever tried to say. Anyone who wants to carry on a homosexual relation ship is fine with me, just don't ask me to participate, and I don't want to see it on television. Seems the only people on the tube who aren't talking about sex anymore are the corpses on CSI ! Isn't there more to life?

Now Tia, I apologized years ago for what I posted, despite the Anti-American sentiment of what I replied to. But Jessica has done nothing but sling mud at me ever since I first offered my opinion on this thread.
My point from the very beginning has been, doesn't the government have more Important issues to discuss? So if everyone(Especially Jessica) would stop trying to paint me as some hatemonger, I woud seriously appreciate it!

Just someone alone in his beliefs,
Doc
:-\\


What do you think about interracial relationships?  Do you think it's appropriate to ban them just because it makes some people cringe even though the couple is quite happy and stable?  So what do we do about people who don't like to see straight relationships on TV because they feel it's being forced down their throats?  I understand (although I don't agree with it) what you're saying however there's more than one way to look at your logic.

Exactly, Rice. And I'd rather not see it on every news channel, either.

Reporting live from Common Ground,
Doc
8)


Then turn off the TV :D

And the fact that you think that gay people want to be made a favorite of the laws just goes to show that you have absolutely no grasp of the actual issues at hand.

It shouldn't BE an issue, Ash!
We have the environment, the economy, immigration, political corruption, and homelessness to worry about, why are people making the government waste time on THIS? (For the record, I am for harsher hate crime legislation)

Reynolds, I have family members who have been(and one who still is) in an interracial relationship. There is no 'Ick factor' there, frankly I am glad to see it happening, it seems to clearly show Dr. King's dream coming true. Love knows no color, and I'm glad.

And Jessica's not right. I got mad because she's RUDE!

Trying to graciously exit the debate,
Doc
>:(

And Jessica's not right. I got mad because she's RUDE!

Trying to graciously exit the debate,
Doc
>:(


Yep, because calling someone a commie ignorant slut is SO VERY unrude.

Oh, and saying that Rice should enjoy me now because I'll be burning in hell.  How very Christian of you, Doc.

Now Tia, I apologized years ago for what I posted, despite the Anti-American sentiment of what I replied to. Just someone alone in his beliefs,
Doc
:-\\
you sorta apologzed, under duress, as i recall, but i wasn't editorilizing, just mentioning that you sent the PM. your "apology" doesn't undo the fact that you sent the PM, and since it sounds like now you're sending more PMs to unwelcome recipients i'm gonna go ahead and share my own experience with them as appropriate. your calling tho original sentiment "antiamerican" (i believe i'd dared to criticize bush and the war in iraq and dared support obama?) makes me think your apology wasn't genuine anyway, you were just doing damage control.

let's get something straight: the right wing no longer has the right to call anyone "antiamerican," tell anyone to leave the country of their birth or accuse anyone of colluding with terrorists. Over the last eight years you guys have done FAR too much damage to this great nation, much of it deliberately, for you to have any further right to continue exploiting patriotism as a cudgel to beat people over the head with. that stopped working, and stopped being acceptable, long ago. stop it.

Oh, and saying that Rice should enjoy me now because I'll be burning in hell.  How very Christian of you, Doc.


Unfortunately, it is a very "Christian" thing to say :-\\

Oh, and saying that Rice should enjoy me now because I'll be burning in hell.  How very Christian of you, Doc.
Well Jessica, when the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. And you were extremely rude to ME first! Which is why I called you that in the first place. I think I'll leave the debate now before you liberals decide to play "pin the tar and feathers on the republican" any further!

Still trying to exit gracefully,
Doc
>:(

It shouldn't BE an issue, Ash!
We have the environment, the economy, immigration, political corruption, and homelessness to worry about, why are people making the government waste time on THIS? (For the record, I am for harsher hate crime legislation)

Reynolds, I have family members who have been(and one who still is) in an interracial relationship. There is no 'Ick factor' there, frankly I am glad to see it happening, it seems to clearly show Dr. King's dream coming true. Love knows no color, and I'm glad.

And Jessica's not right. I got mad because she's RUDE!

Trying to graciously exit the debate,
Doc
>:(



Coretta Scott King was in favor of gay-marriage.  So Dr. King's dream is coming true only if it doesn't make you squirm.

Well Jessica, when the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. And you were extremely rude to ME first! Which is why I called you that in the first place. I think I'll leave the debate now before you liberals decide to play "pin the tar and feathers on the republican" any further!

Still trying to exit gracefully,
Doc
>:(


Even the Republican is against you :P  Don't backpedal.

Well when the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. And you were extremely rude to ME first! Which is why I called you that in the first place. I think I'll leave the debate now before you liberals decide to play "pin the tar and feathers on the republican" any further!

Still trying to exit gracefully,
Doc
>:(


Why?  Because I asked if you were joking?  Because I called Sarah Palin a twat in the PM I sent yoU?  Because I'm not going to take your bullshyt insults?

Well when the time comes, don't say I didn't warn you. And you were extremely rude to ME first! Which is why I called you that in the first place. I think I'll leave the debate now before you liberals decide to play "pin the tar and feathers on the republican" any further!

Still trying to exit gracefully,
Doc
>:(


Turn about is fair play as you've stated.  What's wrong can't handle "liberal's opinions"  please stay and not used the victim card.  

If Republicans are for a smaller government and less spending, stop wasting time and resources on this stupid non-issue...sheesh.

Coretta Scott King was in favor of gay-marriage.  So Dr. King's dream is coming true only if it doesn't make you squirm.

Coretta, maybe. But was Dr. King? That part of his dream(if it ever was) doesn't have to come true live on television.

And Rice? Perhaps you could tell that to the now Democrat-dominated government.

Trying to give my final word on the subject,
Doc
;)

Coretta, maybe. But was Dr. King? That part of his dream(if it ever was) doesn't have to come true live on television.

And Rice? Perhaps you could tell that to the now Democrat-dominated government.

Trying to give my final word on the subject,
Doc
;)


The government is Democrat-dominated because Republicans were epically stupid the last four years...but I guess we won't get into that.

Dr. King didn't say that gay marriage was bad, did he?

Coretta, maybe. But was Dr. King? That part of his dream(if it ever was) doesn't have to come true live on television.

And Rice? Perhaps you could tell that to the now Democrat-dominated government.

Trying to give my final word on the subject,
Doc
;)


Coretta is the only one who could ever speak for King.  Therefore it is assumed he would be also.  BTW, if television bothers you perhaps you need to stop watching cable and take up a hobby.

Have to wonder how many of them watch lesbian porn and such? 



I was thinking the same thing when I made my first post but decided not say anything about that.



Cat

What do you think about interracial relationships?  Do you think it's appropriate to ban them just because it makes some people cringe even though the couple is quite happy and stable?

Good point. Oh oh, someone better not say anything bad about that, coz I'm white & my wife's Chinese. We are VERY happy and stable. We still get weird looks tho, sometimes. Don't care, it's their problem.

Good point. Oh oh, someone better not say anything bad about that, coz I'm white & my wife's Chinese. We are VERY happy and stable. We still get weird looks tho, sometimes. Don't care, it's their problem.


FORBIDDEN MARRIAGE!!!!  :o :o

:D :D

FORBIDDEN MARRIAGE!!!!  :o :o

:D :D

I have now cut off a body part for my penalty

I have now cut off a body part for my penalty


That happens a lot to us too...I'm full-blood Chinese, Jess is half-and-half, and the boy is a mutt.  When we go to Chinatown we sometimes get stares, so I give them my crazy look and scream "FORBIDDEN CHILD!" 

Hey, it makes me laugh :D

Why?  Because I asked if you were joking?  Because I called Sarah Palin a twat in the PM I sent yoU?  Because I'm not going to take your bullshyt insults?

Jessica, here's the original PM I sent you(verbatim save for one highlighted amendment) about Sarah Palin. You just point out where I was rude or vulgar, as opposed to the reply you sent me!

No Comedy Intended...
Because there's nothing funny about what's going on in Washington and across the country. There are far too many Maxwell Smarts and Jessicas out there playing at being responsible citizens by going to the booth on Election Day, but don't look at the issues at all and only vote for the sexiest or funniest candidate, instead of the most qualified! American Idol Obama has been twiddling his thumbs between photo opportunities for nearly six months now, aren't you getting tired of waiting for him to keep his campaign promises? Try holding your breath!

Fighting not to be pulled back into this,
Doc
>:(

Jessica, here's the original PM I sent you(verbatim save for one highlighted amendment) about Sarah Palin. You just point out where I was rude or vulgar, as opposed to the reply you sent me!

No Comedy Intended...
Because there's nothing funny about what's going on in Washington and across the country. There are far too many Maxwell Smarts and Jessicas out there playing at being responsible citizens by going to the booth on Election Day, but don't look at the issues at all and only vote for the sexiest or funniest candidate, instead of the most qualified! American Idol Obama has been twiddling his thumbs between photo opportunities for nearly six months now, aren't you getting tired of waiting for him to keep his campaign promises? Try holding your breath!

Fighting not to be pulled back into this,
Doc
>:(


In this part, you insinuate that they don't know what they're doing when they go off to vote.  That seems kinda rude to me.

In this part, you insinuate that they don't know what they're doing when they go off to vote.  That seems kinda rude to me.

Well Rice, It's always seemed to me that the people who get in-your-face with their points the most have thought about or checked what they're saying the least. That's been my experience anyway. And bear in mind, instead of an intelligent argument to my statement, all Jessica did was mock me.

Getting sick and tired of this non-issue,
Doc
:P

Well Rice, It's always seemed to me that the people who get in-your-face with their points the most have thought about or checked what they're saying the least. That's been my experience anyway. And bear in mind, instead of an intelligent argument to my statement, all Jessica did was mock me.

Getting sick and tired of this non-issue,
Doc
:P


She did mock you, but also said that Sarah Palin isn't the godsend certain Republicans make her out to be.

That happens a lot to us too...I'm full-blood Chinese, Jess is half-and-half, and the boy is a mutt.  When we go to Chinatown we sometimes get stares, so I give them my crazy look and scream "FORBIDDEN CHILD!" 

Hey, it makes me laugh :D

Forbidden child. Must make sacrifice (just kidding) :D

Forbidden child. Must make sacrifice (just kidding) :D






Sacrificing the chicken feet dim sum to my stomach god.

Sacrificing the chicken feet dim sum to my stomach god.

Nice title for a Weird Al song.

She did mock you, but also said that Sarah Palin isn't the godsend certain Republicans make her out to be.
By referring to her as a vulgar nickname for part of the female anatomy? To me, that is a sign of immaturity and the lazy person's form of expression. So do you think she sounded intelligent to me?

In all honesty,
Doc
???

By referring to her as a vulgar nickname for part of the female anatomy. To me, that is a sign of immaturity and the lazy person's form of expression. So should she have sounded intelligent to me?

In all honesty,
Doc
???


Not like you took the high road afterwards, but that's irrelevant now.

Jessica, here's the original PM I sent you(verbatim save for one highlighted amendment) about Sarah Palin. You just point out where I was rude or vulgar, as opposed to the reply you sent me!

No Comedy Intended...
Because there's nothing funny about what's going on in Washington and across the country. There are far too many Maxwell Smarts and Jessicas out there playing at being responsible citizens by going to the booth on Election Day, but don't look at the issues at all and only vote for the sexiest or funniest candidate, instead of the most qualified! American Idol Obama has been twiddling his thumbs between photo opportunities for nearly six months now, aren't you getting tired of waiting for him to keep his campaign promises? Try holding your breath!

Fighting not to be pulled back into this,
Doc
>:(


And this is what I sent you, since we're putting it all out there:

What he wants to accomplish takes time. Furthermore, Palin was never a candidate for President, so your insinuations that she would do a better job are moot. Sarah Palin is a twat, she'll always be a twat, and I'll be happy as a pig in shyt if she just disappears off the face of the planet with her rotten family.

Oh yeah, as far as sexiest candidate....didn't Palin base most of her campaign with McCain as being a sexy MILF? Cause really, she couldn't speak worth a damn or make any valid points.

And from there, we can trace you acting like an ass in all threads and getting butthurt because I'm mocking you.

This shouldn't even be the government's business, really.  Just let everyone get married to whatever human they want.


Why restrict it to humans?

And why do we cling to the artificial one person/one spouse model in the US of A?

We need to shoot the lock off... Get rid of ALL the restrictions!

By referring to her as a vulgar nickname for part of the female anatomy? To me, that is a sign of immaturity and the lazy person's form of expression. So do you think she sounded intelligent to me?

In all honesty,
Doc
???


Doc, maybe you need to take a break and chill for a while.  It's not worth getting all worked up here.

BTW, I know you like to continue arguments via PM, but please refrain. I don't need it.  Okay?

Why restrict it to humans?

And why do we cling to the artificial one person/one spouse model in the US of A?

We need to shoot the lock off... Get rid of ALL the restrictions!


Hey, if you want to marry Lara Spencer, be my guest.  I'm glad you like plastic in that way. :D

Doc, maybe you need to take a break and chill for a while.  It's not worth getting all worked up here.

BTW, I know you like to continue arguments via PM, but please refrain. I don't need it.  Okay?




Jesus.  You too?

Why restrict it to humans?

And why do we cling to the artificial one person/one spouse model in the US of A?

We need to shoot the lock off... Get rid of ALL the restrictions!


"Oh my God! That bowling ball! It's my wife!"

--J. Geils

Jesus.  You too?


Yes, Jessica.  Me too.

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/08/saint.gif

Yes, Jessica.  Me too.

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/08/saint.gif


Oy vey.

*facepalm* ;D

I had missed this thread, but am now caught up.  There were some great and logical points made...and very eloquently.

As the mother of a biracial child, let me thank those of you who stood up for interracial relationships.

As the friend and cousin of gays, thank you for standing up for the rights they are still fighting for.  It breaks my heart that in 2009 and in such a "civilized" society, there are people who are actually told they can't get married or have legal rights.  :\'(


What keeps going through my mind is where is Doc living and watching that all of this is in his face all the time...on the streets, tv, magazines, etc.  I haven't seen or read any of it.  I also got perturbed every time he used the phrase "those people" or "you people".

It blows my mind how people can berate and dehumanize others for not conforming to their idea of what is right and moral under the guise of religion.  This is why I gave up organized religion.  I work with 2 very religious and proud Christians.  Good for them, but then they turn around and get all up in arms because someone is gay or of a different religion.  I always thought God wanted us to love one another, not judge them for being different.  There is so much hypocrisy in organized religion, it just makes me sick.  People talk about gays being immoral, but who decided that heterosexuality was "right."  People act like being gay is a choice.  Who would CHOOSE ostracism, ridicule, hatred, physical and verbal abuse, and being denied basic human dignities afforded heterosexuals?

I know I'm late to the party and while it sounds like I am trying to stir the pot back up, I really am NOT.  I mostly just wanted to vent my opinions so I could move on with my life.  I tend to need let things out or I obsess on them.  Thank you.


PS Jess, I luv ya!

I had missed this thread, but am now caught up.  There were some great and logical points made...and very eloquently.

As the mother of a biracial child, let me thank those of you who stood up for interracial relationships.

As the friend and cousin of gays, thank you for standing up for the rights they are still fighting for.  It breaks my heart that in 2009 and in such a "civilized" society, there are people who are actually told they can't get married or have legal rights.  :\'(


What keeps going through my mind is where is Doc living and watching that all of this is in his face all the time...on the streets, tv, magazines, etc.  I haven't seen or read any of it.  I also got perturbed every time he used the phrase "those people" or "you people".

It blows my mind how people can berate and dehumanize others for not conforming to their idea of what is right and moral under the guise of religion.  This is why I gave up organized religion.  I work with 2 very religious and proud Christians.  Good for them, but then they turn around and get all up in arms because someone is gay or of a different religion.  I always thought God wanted us to love one another, not judge them for being different.  There is so much hypocrisy in organized religion, it just makes me sick.  People talk about gays being immoral, but who decided that heterosexuality was "right."  People act like being gay is a choice.  Who would CHOOSE ostracism, ridicule, hatred, physical and verbal abuse, and being denied basic human dignities afforded heterosexuals?

I know I'm late to the party and while it sounds like I am trying to stir the pot back up, I really am NOT.  I mostly just wanted to vent my opinions so I could move on with my life.  I tend to need let things out or I obsess on them.  Thank you.



Change will come.  The Republican Party needs to adapt if they hope to survive into the middle of this Century.




PS Jess, I luv ya!


Don't do it, she's going to Hell!  :o  ;D

I had missed this thread, but am now caught up.  There were some great and logical points made...and very eloquently.

As the mother of a biracial child, let me thank those of you who stood up for interracial relationships.

As the friend and cousin of gays, thank you for standing up for the rights they are still fighting for.  It breaks my heart that in 2009 and in such a "civilized" society, there are people who are actually told they can't get married or have legal rights.  :\'(


What keeps going through my mind is where is Doc living and watching that all of this is in his face all the time...on the streets, tv, magazines, etc.  I haven't seen or read any of it.  I also got perturbed every time he used the phrase "those people" or "you people".

It blows my mind how people can berate and dehumanize others for not conforming to their idea of what is right and moral under the guise of religion.  This is why I gave up organized religion.  I work with 2 very religious and proud Christians.  Good for them, but then they turn around and get all up in arms because someone is gay or of a different religion.  I always thought God wanted us to love one another, not judge them for being different.  There is so much hypocrisy in organized religion, it just makes me sick.  People talk about gays being immoral, but who decided that heterosexuality was "right."  People act like being gay is a choice.  Who would CHOOSE ostracism, ridicule, hatred, physical and verbal abuse, and being denied basic human dignities afforded heterosexuals?

I know I'm late to the party and while it sounds like I am trying to stir the pot back up, I really am NOT.  I mostly just wanted to vent my opinions so I could move on with my life.  I tend to need let things out or I obsess on them.  Thank you.


PS Jess, I luv ya!


As William S. Burroughs used to say, the world would be a much better place if everybody learned to just mind his own business.
8)

I had missed this thread, but am now caught up.  There were some great and logical points made...and very eloquently.

As the mother of a biracial child, let me thank those of you who stood up for interracial relationships.

As the friend and cousin of gays, thank you for standing up for the rights they are still fighting for.  It breaks my heart that in 2009 and in such a "civilized" society, there are people who are actually told they can't get married or have legal rights.  :\'(


What keeps going through my mind is where is Doc living and watching that all of this is in his face all the time...on the streets, tv, magazines, etc.  I haven't seen or read any of it.  I also got perturbed every time he used the phrase "those people" or "you people".

It blows my mind how people can berate and dehumanize others for not conforming to their idea of what is right and moral under the guise of religion.  This is why I gave up organized religion.  I work with 2 very religious and proud Christians.  Good for them, but then they turn around and get all up in arms because someone is gay or of a different religion.  I always thought God wanted us to love one another, not judge them for being different.  There is so much hypocrisy in organized religion, it just makes me sick.  People talk about gays being immoral, but who decided that heterosexuality was "right."  People act like being gay is a choice.  Who would CHOOSE ostracism, ridicule, hatred, physical and verbal abuse, and being denied basic human dignities afforded heterosexuals?

I know I'm late to the party and while it sounds like I am trying to stir the pot back up, I really am NOT.  I mostly just wanted to vent my opinions so I could move on with my life.  I tend to need let things out or I obsess on them.  Thank you.


PS Jess, I luv ya!


Karma, applause, and love back atcha.


Don't do it, she's going to Hell!  :o  ;D


And I'm taking Doc with me!

What, that's what Cat's nieces are called?

But seriously, I've never understood why some people have such a hang-up about homosexuality - so much so, they think that their all-powerful, all-knowing God who in theory created homosexuals along with everyone else.. they think this God of theirs cares about it, too.  Words fail me when I try and express just how ridiculous an idea that seems to me to be.



that has always been my argument... like if your god created man and some men are gay and you think being gay is totally effed up then aren't you saying god effed up?  ::)

I honestly think that the thought of homosexuality stirs something deep within them that they absolutely cannot tolerate and so they feel they must supress it in others.  I don't care what anyone says, we have all at least wondered what it might be like to be with someone of the same sex.  Some people can't even admit it to themselves, let alone anyone else. 

That's what it all comes down to isn't it?  Jess mentioned it earlier.  The people who yell the loudest are usually the ones with the most to hide. 

I am proud to say that not only do I find women attractive, I have had the pleasure of a woman's company in the Biblical sense.  If I'm going to hell for it, it was totally worth it.


go ahead ash confess all your sins here we don't mind  ;)

that has always been my argument... like if your god created man and some men are gay and you think being gay is totally effed up then aren't you saying god effed up?  ::)


If Big G was so hung up about homosexuality, why didn't it make the top 10 no-nos, along with lying, stealing, bearing false witness, and all that jazz?

I know, I know, that shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass...no, no, that refers to donkeys...

Of forget it, you guys are sick!
:P

It shouldn't BE an issue, Ash!
We have the environment, the economy, immigration, political corruption, and homelessness to worry about, why are people making the government waste time on THIS? (For the record, I am for harsher hate crime legislation)

Reynolds, I have family members who have been(and one who still is) in an interracial relationship. There is no 'Ick factor' there, frankly I am glad to see it happening, it seems to clearly show Dr. King's dream coming true. Love knows no color, and I'm glad.

And Jessica's not right. I got mad because she's RUDE!

Trying to graciously exit the debate,
Doc
>:(



because people want the same rights... Doc you keep talking like its only about sex... if it were just about sex there would be nothing to debate.

I don't know if you are but lets assume you are married and have kids. If your wife got in a serious accident right now you would have a say over her medical treatment. If she died you would get custody of the kids. No one would ever question it.

Same scenario for same sex couple: because they are not allowed to wed in the majority of states the partner  20 years has absolutely no say in the care/treatment. and if that partner dies the custody goes to the grand parents not the spousal equivilant... how is that fair.

You get certain tax breaks for being married. You can put your spouse on you benefits plan at work. Same sex couples do not get the same perks.

All of it very well stated Aim but I want to thank you for this...



What keeps going through my mind is where is Doc living and watching that all of this is in his face all the time...on the streets, tv, magazines, etc.  I haven't seen or read any of it.  I also got perturbed every time he used the phrase "those people" or "you people".





That was bugging me too... specifically the fact that it seems to be all over the tv.. who watches more TV than me? and really its still barely there... unless Doc is secretly watching those L word dvds or something ...  


BTW @ Reynolds and Cat...... those so called lesbian love scenes in mainstream and soft core pron don't count because those were constructed specifically for straight men... gay pron is structured a bit differently....  ah the benefits of an expensive film theory degree....  ;D

All of it very well stated Aim but I want to thank you for this...



That was bugging me too... specifically the fact that it seems to be all over the tv.. who watches more TV than me? and really its still barely there... unless Doc is secretly watching those L word dvds or something ... 


BTW @ Reynolds and Cat...... those so called lesbian love scenes in mainstream and soft core pron don't count because those were constructed specifically for straight men... gay pron is structured a bit differently....  ah the benefits of an expensive film theory degree....  ;D



Ooooh...research :D

Hey, if you want to marry Lara Spencer, be my guest.  I'm glad you like plastic in that way. :D


Well, Lara would first have to get divorced or become a widow.

Once either of those conditions apply, watch out Lara, here comes LyricBoy!!!!  :-*

LyricBoy is noble 8)

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"Oh my God! That bowling ball! It's my wife!"

--J. Geils


No anchovies, please. 

(There are a lot of jokes in there about sausage, fish, pizza, what belongs on what, and what you wanna stuff your mouth with because it tastes so good.  I played it backwards and it said "it doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between chickens*bleep*t and chicken salad", so y'all are gonna hafta find an orientation-and-gender-suitable punchline for yourselves. :)

No anchovies, please. 

(There are a lot of jokes in there about sausage, fish, pizza, what belongs on what, and what you wanna stuff your mouth with because it tastes so good.  I played it backwards and it said "it doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between chickens*bleep*t and chicken salad", so y'all are gonna hafta find an orientation-and-gender-suitable punchline for yourselves. :)


I dunno...I'm just happy there's somebody who still gets the reference!
:)

I dunno...I'm just happy there's somebody who still gets the reference!
:)


Hey, what else was I gonna do with a reel-to-reel tape recorder in the early '80s other than play stuff backwards?

The thing that kills me is when people say that gay people "choose" to be gay.

By that rationale, all straight people had to have "chosen" to be straight.  For all the straighties out there, I wanna know - when, exactly, did you CHOOSE to be attracted to the opposite sex? 

I've never chosen to be attracted to anyone.  Mostly...I've just seen someone and gone "Damn."  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/05/hearts.gif

Unfortunately, it is a very "Christian" thing to say :-\\
I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.
I am a Christian and there are millions more in the world just like me. Who have no problems with gay marriage or PDAs or whatever. I actually get angry and fed up being labeled along with the sad narrow minded fanatical type of Christian you people seem to think are the only ones out there.

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   

The thing that kills me is when people say that gay people "choose" to be gay.

By that rationale, all straight people had to have "chosen" to be straight.  For all the straighties out there, I wanna know - when, exactly, did you CHOOSE to be attracted to the opposite sex? 

I've never chosen to be attracted to anyone.  Mostly...I've just seen someone and gone "Damn."   http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/05/hearts.gif






The dogma is heterosexuality is God's plan, anything else is willful deviation -- sin, in other words.
::)

I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.



I certainly do no such thing. 

I'm sorry the bigots who call themselves Christian have a monopoly on media coverage. 

I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.
I am a Christian and there are millions more in the world just like me. Who have no problems with gay marriage or PDAs or whatever. I actually get angry and fed up being labeled along with the sad narrow minded fanatical type of Christian you people seem to think are the only ones out there.

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   


Didn't mean to offend :(

My point is that the so-called "religious leaders" in our country have drowned out the voices of the run-of-the-mill Christians (such as yourself) who just want to live and let live. 

"Oh my God! That bowling ball! It's my wife!"

--J. Geils



So the lesson we learn is the next time you place your order, don't forget to say...



No anchovies, please. 




Ok, I confess, I LOVE that stupid song (is it a song?).  :D :D ;D ;D ;D


Ok, back to the topic.



Cat

I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.
I am a Christian and there are millions more in the world just like me. Who have no problems with gay marriage or PDAs or whatever. I actually get angry and fed up being labeled along with the sad narrow minded fanatical type of Christian you people seem to think are the only ones out there.

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   


You're absolutely right Gis - most Christians are good, sane people.  I think we all know that.  It seems like the radicals on BOTH sides seem to yell the loudest.  And a lot of times, here in America, that means ultra right-wing Christians, who certainly aren't a representation of all Christians.  It isn't fair to lump everyone into the same group.     

I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.
I am a Christian and there are millions more in the world just like me. Who have no problems with gay marriage or PDAs or whatever. I actually get angry and fed up being labeled along with the sad narrow minded fanatical type of Christian you people seem to think are the only ones out there.

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   


I don't think Rice meant any offense, actually.  It was more of a dig at Doc Brown because he was being...ummmm....less than Christian.

However, you do raise valid points.  Sometimes the US people forget that there are sane believers out there because we've been exposed for far too long to the mutants who call themselves Christians, yet hate everything that is different from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G38GRbkOfJI



Cat

PA state senator Daylin Leach introduced the same-sex marriage bill today at the state capitol.  Yes, I was there.  Yes, it was awesome!!!! 8)

For all the straighties out there, I wanna know - when, exactly, did you CHOOSE to be attracted to the opposite sex? 


When tits became apparent.

When tits became apparent.

;D

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   


Actually I think you will find far more news stories about the Lutherans, Episcopalians, and Presbys duking it out in church leadership meetings regarding gayness than you will the Catholic church.

When tits became apparent.


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Anonymous delivers.

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Anonymous delivers.


http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/14/sign10.gif

http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/14/sign10.gif


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/20/633495171199936172-boobies.jpg

(There's a joke in here about me going for the low-hanging fruit, but I don't roll that way :)

I've been avoiding this thread after what I got involved in the last time a thread turned to the question of homosexuality!

But I must step in and say will you guys please stop lumping all Christians together as rabid anti-gay racists.
I am a Christian and there are millions more in the world just like me. Who have no problems with gay marriage or PDAs or whatever. I actually get angry and fed up being labeled along with the sad narrow minded fanatical type of Christian you people seem to think are the only ones out there.

Actually I think you will find the anti gay stance is more Catholic than Christian..............   



for the record. whenever I mention anything religious I'm only addressing the zealots who are so loud and overbearing its hard to ignore them.... I know I generalize sometimes but I do know the difference between a person who has faith and one who "bleeds" it or something... Its been a long day- what I'm trying to say is if you've never shouted to someone that they need to be saved or never made the correlation between ones opinions and whether they will end up  in heaven or hell then I'm not talking about you.  ;)

PA state senator Daylin Leach introduced the same-sex marriage bill today at the state capitol.  Yes, I was there.  Yes, it was awesome!!!! 8)

excellent!

Didn't mean to offend :(

My point is that the so-called "religious leaders" in our country have drowned out the voices of the run-of-the-mill Christians (such as yourself) who just want to live and let live. 
I wasn't pointing the finger at you mate, it was just a good quote to use for what I wanted to say. I was also in rant mode yesterday....... calm has now been restored  ;D

I imagine the more radical wouldn't call me a Christian either, I'll be right next to Ash, you and Jessica in the queue for hell in their opinion.  ;D

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/6/20/633495171199936172-boobies.jpg

(There's a joke in here about me going for the low-hanging fruit, but I don't roll that way :)


*giggle snort* ;D

I wasn't pointing the finger at you mate, it was just a good quote to use for what I wanted to say. I was also in rant mode yesterday....... calm has now been restored  ;D

I imagine the more radical wouldn't call me a Christian either, I'll be right next to Ash, you and Jessica in the queue for hell in their opinion.  ;D


I think I'm driving the bus. :D

I wasn't pointing the finger at you mate, it was just a good quote to use for what I wanted to say. I was also in rant mode yesterday....... calm has now been restored  ;D

I imagine the more radical wouldn't call me a Christian either, I'll be right next to Ash, you and Jessica in the queue for hell in their opinion.  ;D


Hell will be awesome then!

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2553987/2/istockphoto_2553987_great_tits.jpg

Anonymous delivers.


Stop it.

Children could see.

I wasn't pointing the finger at you mate, it was just a good quote to use for what I wanted to say. I was also in rant mode yesterday....... calm has now been restored  ;D

I imagine the more radical wouldn't call me a Christian either, I'll be right next to Ash, you and Jessica in the queue for hell in their opinion.  ;D


but Rice isn't going to hell.. he's a good republic who will bask in the glories of heaven while you, me, ash and jess sun bathe in the flames of hell  ;D ;D

but Rice isn't going to hell.. he's a good republic who will bask in the glories of heaven while you, me, ash and jess sun bathe in the flames of hell  ;D ;D



I thought I was going to be the bus driver to hell, but being a passenger sounds better.  I would meet you all in Hell, but since I don't believe in that, I guess you will all have to miss out on my company. 

I have posted my feelings on gay marriage before, but I figured I would bore you all once more.  For those who think they are searching for extra rights than straight couples, I think you are highly misinformed and blinded by your hatred and ignorance. 

There is a question I have had about Christianity all along.  The Old Testament is where it even mentions anything about homosexuality.  It also has plenty of rape, incest, murder, etc etc.  Correct me if I am wrong as I have never read the Bible, but would actually like to read the Bible to have better arguments.  Anyway, Jews and Muslims do not believe in the New Testament.  Their religions are basically the Old Testament, just one a bit different than the other.  The New Testament is all about Jesus, whom God sent down as a last chance to change humans and as love for his creation.  Jesus is love.  Jesus is there to forget about that which happened in the Old Testament.  I haven't heard anywhere in the New Testament that is against homosexuals.  So, why if the New Testament is what Christians should be following, that they support the Old Testament more?  They are completely different.  One trumps the other in my opinion.  You can read and understand the Old Testament, but you follow the New under Jesus.  Do Christians really understand what Jesus taught or what he was about.  No, because they are God fearing.  Jesus is an Icon.  Jesus is my buddy.  I am down with Jesus.  Slogans are good an dandy, but it has to come with a whole hearted understanding of what Jesus wanted.  Humans then become the ultimate judgers and try to play the role of God.  So they can make laws based on their moral compass, and to heck with everyone else.  To say such is bashing your religion.  No, I am just taking an honest outside look at it, and see how ultimately screwed up it can be.

We are in the 21st century.  There is nothing wrong with equal rights for all.  Is equal rights the same as extra?  I don't know but when I took math, equal meant they are same.  The same type of arguments go into evolution.  If they took a little bit of time to understand the premise, then they wouldn't look so stupid when they say "We didn't come from monkeys."  Instead of trying to understand something, people automatically assume without taking a second to look at what it all really means.  What will 2 men or 2 women do to your marriage?  What will it do to the country?  Absolutely nothing, and you all know it.  That is what makes me so darned mad.  Dismiss the sexual acts.  This is not what it is about.  If you can look outside the bedroom, which I know it is hard, but try it, then you can see that there is more to life than just sex.  We are social creatures who love.  If gays want to get married, then there is no reason they shouldn't. 

The problem with these types of posts, where religion, abortion, gays come into play, in brings out a lot of rage on both sides of the issue.  On this board I would sugges if someone's post gets removed, others should as well.  Directly attacking someone else specifically is not beneficial to anyone.  It makes it that much harder for anyone to see your point of view, which is not in the best interests of a forum.  I guess I am stupid for pointing out the obvious, and I know I don't post that often, but I did notice that people on both sides of the issue were attacking in this one.  Just something to think about I guess.   

All your homosexuals are belong to us!

Ohhh, that's sooo 2001!  Sorry.
;)