He was supposed to be in Germany to stand trial for being a Nazi Death Camp guy. But since he's so frail at the age of 89, he's going to stay in the Cleveland area until he's dead!

Well...he has a place in hell at least!

Those guys are getting to the age where they get the "merciful sentence because of age".  Had he been nailed 30-40 years ago he would have had his neck stretched.

Those guys are getting to the age where they get the "merciful sentence because of age".  Had he been nailed 30-40 years ago he would have had his neck stretched.


I think they've been trying to nail this dirt bag for the past 30 years.

I think they've been trying to nail this dirt bag for the past 30 years.


Yeah, I think they had him behind bars back in the 60's.  The guy's about as slippery as Mengel was.

They left him in Cleveland?  That's going a bit far, isn't it?  ;)  j/k

Is it safe?

Is it safe?


Yes, as far as any leftover sympathize toward the Nazi regime.  As for being bumped off, it could very well happen.

No, what I want to know is if it is safe?

No, what I want to know is if it is safe?


It meaning Cleveland?  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/icon_scratch.gif

A court today ruled that Demyanyuk is indeed healthy enuf to make the trip to Germany to face trial.

At this point I do not know how many appeals he has to drag this thing out.

It meaning Cleveland?  http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/13/icon_scratch.gif


Is it safe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4

A court today ruled that Demyanyuk is indeed healthy enuf to make the trip to Germany to face trial.

At this point I do not know how many appeals he has to drag this thing out.


I hope they find him guilty and hang his ass already!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcacQnW1QoBUVrxRqGaCdcjpfytAD97FSB482

Looks like they denied his stay.  After 65 years he might have to go face the music, unless he croaks in transit.
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Well I'm not as far right where I believe someone should have to suffer and pay what they did for eternity, and let I'm not as far left as letting him off the hook without more than a slap on the wrist.  I fall somewhere in the middle.

Demjanjuk, should pay what he owes for his crimes.    Whatever that is, how long that is, I do not know.  Yet, after he has paid what he owes, I do believe he deserves forgiveness. 

What good are we as a society if we never forgive?

Keep in mind that this is coming from an possiblist, I am not a Christian.  I'm not saying that he shouldn't be punished, because punished and punished severely he should be.  However, once he's paid what he owes, that's good enough.

What good are we as a society if we never forgive?



Hmmm....

Maybe we should send Demjanjuk to Jerusalem with that ^ pinned to his sleeve!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/icon_albino.gif

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcacQnW1QoBUVrxRqGaCdcjpfytAD97FSB482

Looks like they denied his stay.  After 65 years he might have to go face the music, unless he croaks in transit.
::)


They show very little mercy at those trials.  Do they still hang Nazi War criminals or just let them rot on jail , no windows and thin soup once a day?

Well I'm not as far right where I believe someone should have to suffer and pay what they did for eternity, and let I'm not as far left as letting him off the hook without more than a slap on the wrist.  I fall somewhere in the middle.

Demjanjuk, should pay what he owes for his crimes.    Whatever that is, how long that is, I do not know.   Yet, after he has paid what he owes, I do believe he deserves forgiveness. 

What good are we as a society if we never forgive?

Keep in mind that this is coming from an possiblist, I am not a Christian.   I'm not saying that he shouldn't be punished, because punished and punished severely he should be.   However, once he's paid what he owes, that's good enough.




I am not one for blind forgiveness.  If somebody wants to be forgiven by me, they gotta own up to the crime.  Because if they don't, the crime is still in progress.

Dumbyanyuck has never admitted to his Nazi past.  Thus no forgiveness is due.

He's actually better off in Germany, at least he won't get the death penalty.  We oughtta try him here in the U.S. of A. for war crimes and hang him.  He is no better than the German war criminals whose work he performed.

They show very little mercy at those trials.  Do they still hang Nazi War criminals or just let them rot on jail , no windows and thin soup once a day?


They don't permit the death penalty in Germany anymore, not even for old Nazis.  At Demjanjuk's age, they'd probably just incarcerate him, and humanely at that.

They don't permit the death penalty in Germany anymore, not even for old Nazis.  At Demjanjuk's age, they'd probably just incarcerate him, and humanely at that.



Perhaps it's better to show much more human decency than the Nazis ever showed to anyone. 

Perhaps it's better to show much more human decency than the Nazis ever showed to anyone. 


Uh... this guy guarded a death camp that killed people by the tens of thousands.  He has expressed no remorse.  He deserves no decency.

Just to be clear this was not "just" killing tens of thousands of people by a simple, quick bullet to head.  These people were killed:


By long, gradual starvation
Via live surgery/experimentation without anaesthesia
Burned alive in ovens
Gassed with poison
Babies bayonetted in the womb
Parents murdered while their children forced to watch
Gang raped
Gold fillings extracted to fund further killings


These killings were not part of some sort of temporary-insanity "Jonestown" sort of thing either.  They were well-planned, over a number of years, funded, engineered, and operated like some sort of business.  The perpetrators were fully aware of what they were doing and why. And they did not give a damn.  They enjoyed their "work".

If ten years from now we happen to find some 99-year-old geezer who was part of this, I would have absolutely no remorse throwing the switch on him.  And even then he'd be getting a far better deal than his victims ever did.

Hmmm....

Maybe we should send Demjanjuk to Jerusalem with that ^ pinned to his sleeve!
http://www.inthe00s.com/smile/12/icon_albino.gif


Well I did say I do believe he ought to be punished.  What I'm against is this, "FOREVER BURN IN HELL!!!" mentality that a lot of people are showing for him.  What possible crime could possibly deserve such a punishment as to forever be tortured throughout all of time, which has a possibility of never, ever ending?  I don't think there is such a crime.  Whatever he owes, make him owe it and then the record will be straight.

Uh... this guy guarded a death camp that killed people by the tens of thousands.  He has expressed no remorse.  He deserves no decency.

Just to be clear this was not "just" killing tens of thousands of people by a simple, quick bullet to head.  These people were killed:


By long, gradual starvation
Via live surgery/experimentation without anaesthesia
Burned alive in ovens
Gassed with poison
Babies bayonetted in the womb
Parents murdered while their children forced to watch
Gang raped
Gold fillings extracted to fund further killings


These killings were not part of some sort of temporary-insanity "Jonestown" sort of thing either.  They were well-planned, over a number of years, funded, engineered, and operated like some sort of business.  The perpetrators were fully aware of what they were doing and why. And they did not give a damn.  They enjoyed their "work".

If ten years from now we happen to find some 99-year-old geezer who was part of this, I would have absolutely no remorse throwing the switch on him.  And even then he'd be getting a far better deal than his victims ever did.




You want to know what's really sad to me?  We're educated as a society of the horrible atrocities that the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis.  We can speak, and speak intelligently and informed upon all of the horrific details.

But yet, what the Japanese did to the Chinese during WWII was just as terrible if not more so, yet we never hear about it.

I say it's due to our good relationship with Japan, not wanting to expose what they did to the Chinese.    However, as a History teacher, I think it's complete b.s. that we don't teach our American citizens about the horrors the Chinese went through, but yet talk about the Jews on a daily basis.

Uh... this guy guarded a death camp that killed people by the tens of thousands.  He has expressed no remorse.  He deserves no decency.

Just to be clear this was not "just" killing tens of thousands of people by a simple, quick bullet to head.  These people were killed:


By long, gradual starvation
Via live surgery/experimentation without anaesthesia
Burned alive in ovens
Gassed with poison
Babies bayonetted in the womb
Parents murdered while their children forced to watch
Gang raped
Gold fillings extracted to fund further killings


These killings were not part of some sort of temporary-insanity "Jonestown" sort of thing either.  They were well-planned, over a number of years, funded, engineered, and operated like some sort of business.  The perpetrators were fully aware of what they were doing and why. And they did not give a damn.  They enjoyed their "work".

If ten years from now we happen to find some 99-year-old geezer who was part of this, I would have absolutely no remorse throwing the switch on him.  And even then he'd be getting a far better deal than his victims ever did.




I know exactly what you're saying and agree with you.  However the German legal system doesn't.  I was just trying to reason out why he shouldn't be burnt alive and slowly hung by piano wire.

You want to know what's really sad to me?   We're educated as a society of the horrible atrocities that the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis.  We can speak, and speak intelligently and informed upon all of the horrific details.

But yet, what the Japanese did to the Chinese during WWII was just as terrible if not more so, yet we never hear about it.

I say it's due to our good relationship with Japan, not wanting to expose what they did to the Chinese.    However, as a History teacher, I think it's complete b.s. that we don't teach our American citizens about the horrors the Chinese went through, but yet talk about the Jews on a daily basis.


I think it's often forgotten that this kind of atrocities have happened many times over the course of history.  I'd like to say humanity has learned to overcome such brutal behavior but obviously not.  Yes, in some Americans eyes the Japanese can do no wrong.  They were however brutal towards all enemies.  BTW karma for the broader view.

Uh... this guy guarded a death camp that killed people by the tens of thousands.  He has expressed no remorse.  He deserves no decency.

Just to be clear this was not "just" killing tens of thousands of people by a simple, quick bullet to head.  These people were killed:


By long, gradual starvation
Via live surgery/experimentation without anaesthesia
Burned alive in ovens
Gassed with poison
Babies bayonetted in the womb
Parents murdered while their children forced to watch
Gang raped
Gold fillings extracted to fund further killings


These killings were not part of some sort of temporary-insanity "Jonestown" sort of thing either.  They were well-planned, over a number of years, funded, engineered, and operated like some sort of business.  The perpetrators were fully aware of what they were doing and why. And they did not give a damn.  They enjoyed their "work".

If ten years from now we happen to find some 99-year-old geezer who was part of this, I would have absolutely no remorse throwing the switch on him.  And even then he'd be getting a far better deal than his victims ever did.




And yet...even if they tortured the old f**ker in the most vengeful manner man's mind can invent, it still wouldn't undo one iota of the misery he caused sixty-odd years ago.  Same thing for taking him around the back of the barn and blowing his brains out. 

On the other hand...I don't support the death penalty in any case, but I wouldn't complain too much if they just disposed of the sonofabitch.
::)

And yet...even if they tortured the old f**ker in the most vengeful manner man's mind can invent, it still wouldn't undo one iota of the misery he caused sixty-odd years ago.  Same thing for taking him around the back of the barn and blowing his brains out. 

On the other hand...I don't support the death penalty in any case, but I wouldn't complain too much if they just disposed of the sonofabitch.
::)


Well Mr. Smart is that not a contradiction of sorts?    Seems to me, myself included, that as long as the ends justify the means, there is always the exception to the rule.

Well Mr. Smart is that not a contradiction of sorts?    Seems to me, myself included, that as long as the ends justify the means, there is always the exception to the rule.

Maybe philosophically.  I was against the death penalty for Timothy McVeigh for instance, but I wasn't marching on a "Save Tim" candlelight vigil.  I remember the day they executed him thinking, "Well, today he gets the hotshot...I can't bring myself to raise objections, though I still don't believe McVeigh should have been sentenced to die in the first place because I don't make exceptions. 

Maybe philosophically.  I was against the death penalty for Timothy McVeigh for instance, but I wasn't marching on a "Save Tim" candlelight vigil.  I remember the day they executed him thinking, "Well, today he gets the hotshot...I can't bring myself to raise objections, though I still don't believe McVeigh should have been sentenced to die in the first place because I don't make exceptions. 


Well I oppose the death penality but most likely for much different reasons than you do.  I personally believe the death penalty offers those who committed a crime and escape.

Then again, most people who support the death penalty are Christians who believe in a hell that will punish the guilty. 

I suppose if there is a Hell, then I see there point. 

  Mossad hasn't caught-up with this guy.  Figure Demjanjuk would have drowned in his soup bowl by now...