Because according to Historians...he's the 36th Best President Ever!

Bill Clinton rose to 15th and Carter went from 22nd to 25th.

Buchanan is STILL considered the 'Worst' President Ever.

Here's the link....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090215/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ranking_presidents

I was OK until you reiterated the fact that Buchanan was the worst.  Yes, we all knew that Bush was going to rank pretty low.  Clinton ranking rose, everyone's should have rose because of Dubya.

I forgot again, what did Buchanan do/not do?

I forgot again, what did Buchanan do/not do?


Apparently he's not forgiven for not being Lincoln. 

Apparently he's not forgiven for not being Lincoln. 


That's why I used quotes on 'Worst'. Many think Harding was even worse...including me!

That's why I used quotes on 'Worst'. Many think Harding was even worse...including me!


I never like Hoover. :P

I never like Hoover. :P


But he made a dam to imprison Megatron!

But he made a dam to imprison Megatron!


I think he was an engineer by trade.  Me thinks he helped design it.

Buchanan is mostly criticized for doing nothing to avert the Civil War.

Still, as a Southerner, I gotta say I have less against him than I do Lincoln.

Here's what his hometown said about "Old Buck".  I never said people from Lancaster PA were the brightest. ::)


http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/233914

Say what you want about former President Bush!...

He's a psychotic dicksmack. :)

He's a psychotic dicksmack. :)


He was great in Harold and Kumar 2.

I was OK until you reiterated the fact that Buchanan was the worst.  Yes, we all knew that Bush was going to rank pretty low.  Clinton ranking rose, everyone's should have rose because of Dubya.

I was thinkin' that too.

I would, but it would prolly get me hauled in for questioning by the secret service!

:o

I was thinkin' that too.


You can say he's the 43rd Best President we've had!  ;)

36th? 

Now that is saying something! 

;D

i think the list doesn't discriminate between ignorant/untalented/incompetent presidents and simply unfortunate ones. (for instance, one guy gets high on the list of failed presidents because he caught a serious infection after having an open carriage during his inauguration ceremony in cold weather, and then died after being in office only a month or two. definitely a raw deal but totally not his fault he got stuck with presidency interruptus. i think he ended up being worse than bush but i'm sure if he hadnt gotten sick he would have been a better president.

i still think nixon's worse than bush, because of his bombing campaign against vietnam. flat-out war crime of the worst variety, that, even worse than iraq.

i think the list doesn't discriminate between ignorant/untalented/incompetent presidents and simply unfortunate ones. (for instance, one guy gets high on the list of failed presidents because he caught a serious infection after having an open carriage during his inauguration ceremony in cold weather, and then died after being in office only a month or two. definitely a raw deal but totally not his fault he got stuck with presidency interruptus. i think he ended up being worse than bush but i'm sure if he hadnt gotten sick he would have been a better president.

i still think nixon's worse than bush, because of his bombing campaign against vietnam. flat-out war crime of the worst variety, that, even worse than iraq.


I'm wondering if Bush is above Nixon on that list.

I'm wondering if Bush is above Nixon on that list.
i think they rated bush one worse than nixon, but i dont remember. i'm sorta torn; overall nixon was a much better president but i think his policy in vietnam was bad enough to undo anything else he might have accomplished. bush overall just sucked royally but at least his poor decisions only caused tens or hundreds of thousands rather than millions of needless deaths. course if it turns out he permanently hosed up the american economy i might have to revisit. if bush really did manage to pretty much permanently break the USA that would probably make him the worst president ever, no?

I think this whole "rank the presidents" game is a Cosmo Kramer approach to American history.  I don't know why somebody doesn't just stand up and call it daft!

:D

I think this whole "rank the presidents" game is a Cosmo Kramer approach to American history.  I don't know why somebody doesn't just stand up and call it daft!

:D
eh, it's a bit of a game and most folks know it, i think.

What are you crazy? No waaaay!  James A. Garfield definitely ranks higher than Rutherford B. Hayes!
What are YOU crazy? No waaaay!

:D

Thinking about it, top of the list has to be Harrison Ford (in Air Force One), followed closely by Lloyd Bridges in Hot Shots Part Deux... no, make that the other way around.

Biggest presidential scumbag has to be Gene Hackman in Absolute Power.

Worst president - Peter Sellers in Dr Strangelove.

...any other suggestions?

Was it "Dave"?  with what's his name Kline and Sigorney Weaver?

Was it "Dave"?  with what's his name Kline and Sigorney Weaver?


Kevin Kline.

Apparently he's not forgiven for not being Lincoln. 


Then there was Dred Scott, and Bleeding Kansas, and the enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act...

Thinking about it, top of the list has to be Harrison Ford (in Air Force One),
Worst president - Peter Sellers in Dr Strangelove.

...any other suggestions?
i think i'd give it to morgan freeman from deep impact.

and merkin muffley was an okay president! he was just surrounded by buffoons... many of whom bore a suspicious resemblance to himself.

I was surprised Jimmy Carter was ranked so high in this survey I mean the economy sucked when he was President the whole entire time. At least when George W. Bush was president the economy didn;t start to suck until the tail of his(W's) second term of presidency before Obama took over.

I was surprised Jimmy Carter was ranked so high in this survey I mean the economy sucked when he was President the whole entire time. At least when George W. Bush was president the economy didn;t start to suck until the tail of his(W's) second term of presidency before Obama took over.


True.  Carter meant well, but his actual policymaking was pretty disastrous.

What's particularly interesting about Carter is that he started much of our rampant interventionism in the Middle East.  There was a point in time where he essentially set a policy that, whenever Israel was in trouble, we'd intervene.

Unfortunately, we don't seem to have broken that precedent ever since.

GW Bush is the Dr. Jack Kevorkian of capitalism!
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True.  Carter meant well, but his actual policymaking was pretty disastrous.

What's particularly interesting about Carter is that he started much of our rampant interventionism in the Middle East.  There was a point in time where he essentially set a policy that, whenever Israel was in trouble, we'd intervene.

Unfortunately, we don't seem to have broken that precedent ever since.
we're not intervening, that's the problem. israel is getting military aid, but we're not really doing anything other than that (which admittedly is a lot) except vetoing UN security council resolutions. because the powerful nations in the region -- egypt, syria, etc. -- don't fight israel anymore, like they did in 67 and 73, it's pretty much just israel killing palestinians. they dont need us to intervene; that's easy.

we're not intervening, that's the problem. israel is getting military aid, but we're not really doing anything other than that (which admittedly is a lot) except vetoing UN security council resolutions. because the powerful nations in the region -- egypt, syria, etc. -- don't fight israel anymore, like they did in 67 and 73, it's pretty much just israel killing palestinians. they dont need us to intervene; that's easy.


I would argue that the best course of action is to stop arming Israel and to stop giving money to Arab nations (other than maybe Iraq).

Israel should have to clean up its own messes and deal with the repercussions of its actions without our interference or help.

By the same token, I don't understand why we aid these other countries either.

I would argue that the best course of action is to stop arming Israel and to stop giving money to Arab nations (other than maybe Iraq).

Israel should have to clean up its own messes and deal with the repercussions of its actions without our interference or help.

By the same token, I don't understand why we aid these other countries either.
can't say i disagree.