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Subject: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/16/08 at 9:17 pm
Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture. War crimes! He's admitted to war crimes!
Soooo...the justice department should bring Mr. Cheney up on charges for violation of the Geneva Conventions and U.S. Code Title 18?
Nope. Dick will decide which laws will apply to Dick!
He also believes Gitmo should remain open as long as it takes to win the War on Terrorism, which means the prison camp should remain open forever because...all together now...you can't win a war against a tactic!
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-cheney16-2008dec16,0,4343941.story
Cheney was key in clearing CIA interrogation tactics
The vice president says that the use of waterboarding was appropriate and that the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should stay open until 'the end of the war on terror.'
By Greg Miller
December 16, 2008
Reporting from Washington -- Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he was directly involved in approving severe interrogation methods used by the CIA, and that the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should remain open indefinitely.
Cheney's remarks on Guantanamo appear to put him at odds with President Bush, who has expressed a desire to close the prison, although the decision is expected to be left to the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama.
Cheney's comments also mark the first time that he has acknowledged playing a central role in clearing the CIA's use of an array of controversial interrogation tactics, including a simulated drowning method known as waterboarding.
"I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared," Cheney said in an interview with ABC News.
Asked whether he still believes it was appropriate to use the waterboarding method on terrorism suspects, Cheney said: "I do."
His comments come on the heels of disclosures by a Senate committee showing that high-level officials in the Bush administration were intimately involved in reviewing and approving interrogation methods that have since been explicitly outlawed and that have been condemned internationally as torture.
Soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, Cheney said, the CIA "in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do. And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it."
Waterboarding involves strapping a prisoner to a tilted surface, covering his face with a towel and dousing it to simulate the sensation of drowning.
CIA Director Michael V. Hayden has said that the agency used the technique on three Al Qaeda suspects in 2002 and 2003. But the practice was discontinued when lawyers from the Department of Justice and other agencies began backing away from their opinions endorsing its legality.
Cheney has long defended the technique. But he has not previously disclosed his role in pushing to give the CIA such authority.
Cheney's office is regarded as the most hawkish presence in the Bush administration, pushing the White House toward aggressive stances on the invasion of Iraq and the wiretapping of U.S. citizens.
Asked when the Guantanamo Bay prison would be shut down, Cheney said, "I think that that would come with the end of the war on terror." He went on to say that "nobody can specify" when that might occur, and likened the use of the detention facility to the imprisonment of Germans during World War II.
"We've always exercised the right to capture the enemy and hold them till the end of the conflict," Cheney said.
The administration's legal case for holding detainees indefinitely has been eroded by a series of court rulings. Obama has pledged to close the facility, which still holds 250 prisoners.
Cheney's remarks are the latest in a series of interviews granted by Bush and senior officials defending their decisions as they prepare to leave office. Bush recently said his main regret was that U.S. spy agencies had been so mistaken about Iraq's alleged weapons programs. Cheney and the Bush administration have been accused of "cherry-picking" intelligence to support going to war with Iraq.
Cheney said that those mistakes didn't matter, and that the U.S. invasion was justified by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's ability to reestablish destructive weapons programs. The vice president brushed off a series of findings questioning that view, including a 2006 Senate report concluding that Hussein lacked a "coherent effort" to develop nuclear weapons and had only a "limited capability" for chemical weapons.
"This was a bad actor and the country's better off, the world's better off, with Saddam gone, and I think we made the right decision in spite of the fact that the original was off in some of its major judgments," he said.
Miller is a writer in our Washington bureau.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Reynolds1863 on 12/16/08 at 10:33 pm
Cheney believes that any form of torture is appropriate for "the war on terror". Waterboarding is the least of it. Of course some of the work of torturing people was outsourced to places like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. The Bush administration had no intention of heeding any form of international law. If either Bush or Cheney ever leave the country they're risking being put behind bars.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Red Ant on 12/17/08 at 12:47 am
I saw part of the interview... disgusting. I hope Dick Cheney drowns in a pool of his own vomit.
torturing people was outsourced to places like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt.
"Dey tuuk urr jobs!"
Sorry, South Park flashback there...
Question: if Cheney is tried for war crimes after Bush leaves office, he stands a better chance of getting convicted, right?
Ant
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/17/08 at 1:43 am
Cheney believes that any form of torture is appropriate for "the war on terror". Waterboarding is the least of it. Of course some of the work of torturing people was outsourced to places like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. The Bush administration had no intention of heeding any form of international law. If either Bush or Cheney ever leave the country they're risking being put behind bars.
I hear rumors of the Bush family buying a compound in Bolivia where they have no extradition treaty, but if I was their lawyer I'd advise against it in case the government changes its mind!
If Cheney goes prison for war crimes, I'll eat my sneakers. The sh*t just ain't g'wan happen!
::)
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Don Carlos on 12/17/08 at 2:13 pm
I hear rumors of the Bush family buying a compound in Bolivia where they have no extradition treaty, but if I was their lawyer I'd advise against it in case the government changes its mind!
If Cheney goes prison for war crimes, I'll eat my sneakers. The sh*t just ain't g'wan happen!
::)
Bolivia might not be as safe as you might think. Evo Morales is on the left, and not very well disposed to this admin. He believes - right or wrong - that Bush is behind some of the problems he has been having in the lowland provinces.
But I expect you're right about Cheney going to jail - more's the pity.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/17/08 at 6:21 pm
Bolivia might not be as safe as you might think. Evo Morales is on the left, and not very well disposed to this admin. He believes - right or wrong - that Bush is behind some of the problems he has been having in the lowland provinces.
But I expect you're right about Cheney going to jail - more's the pity.
Prolly the safest place for Dubya is that posh whitey enclave outside of Dallas. He'll be a trendsetter for rich white people with his round-the-clock security and private army of snipers!
::)
Lack of outrage over Cheney's statement indicates to me our republic is finished. Every generation since WWII has allowed the feds to chip away at the Constitution. Next time around, it'll be nothing but dust.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/18/08 at 2:51 pm
Prolly the safest place for Dubya is that posh whitey enclave outside of Dallas. He'll be a trendsetter for rich white people with his round-the-clock security and private army of snipers!
::)
Lack of outrage over Cheney's statement indicates to me our republic is finished. Every generation since WWII has allowed the feds to chip away at the Constitution. Next time around, it'll be nothing but dust.
IMO-Keep Guantanamo opened...or that place where Bush has in Bolivia and have every politician who has been accused of being a criminal, to go there!
If you want to be a legal criminal...be a politician!
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/18/08 at 9:29 pm
IMO-Keep Guantanamo opened...
As a retirement community for the Bush Administration!
8)
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/19/08 at 11:59 am
As a retirement community for the Bush Administration!
8)
For ANY Politician.
We have plenty to give them in NE Ohio!
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: CatwomanofV on 12/19/08 at 12:50 pm
As a retirement community for the Bush Administration!
8)
Hear, hear!
Cat
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/19/08 at 4:12 pm
Hear, hear!
Cat
I'll also ask them to take Frank Russo, Rod Blageojevich, and James Traficant with him!
Any Corrupt politicians in New England?
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/19/08 at 4:36 pm
I'll also ask them to take Frank Russo, Rod Blageojevich, and James Traficant with him!
Any Corrupt politicians in New England?
No! Never! We run a tight ship around here!
:P
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Don Carlos on 12/20/08 at 11:18 am
Well, there have been a few local officials charged with embezzlement.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/20/08 at 1:19 pm
Well, there have been a few local officials charged with embezzlement.
Just like many of the politicians in NE Ohio.
That's why I say...If you want to do crime legally...be a politician!
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Reynolds1863 on 12/20/08 at 5:41 pm
Just like many of the politicians in NE Ohio.
That's why I say...If you want to do crime legally...be a politician!
Got one word for you buddy . . . TAFT!!!
If I didn't have relatives in Meigs (which is the armpit of Ohio) I wouldn't be saying that and laughing.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 12/21/08 at 1:59 pm
Well, there have been a few local officials charged with embezzlement.
There were a couple brothers named Bulger, but we're all a little skittish about discussing them in public....
:-X
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/21/08 at 8:32 pm
Got one word for you buddy . . . TAFT!!!
If I didn't have relatives in Meigs (which is the armpit of Ohio) I wouldn't be saying that and laughing.
Mentioning Taft REALLY made me regret being a Republican!
His Great-Grandfather is STILL spinning in his grave.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: Reynolds1863 on 12/21/08 at 8:46 pm
Mentioning Taft REALLY made me regret being a Republican!
His Great-Grandfather is STILL spinning in his grave.
In every political party you must take the good with the bad.
Subject: Re: Dick Cheney acknowledges he authorized torture
Written By: MrCleveland on 12/21/08 at 9:09 pm
In every political party you must take the good with the bad.
Then who in the Bush Family was good? Jeb? Prescott? Someone before our time?