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Subject: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: Philip Eno on 11/11/08 at 1:12 pm
From BBC News Online
Three of the last surviving veterans of World War I were greeted with a round of applause as they arrived to mark the 90th anniversary of the Armistice.
Henry Allingham, 112, Harry Patch, 110, and Bill Stone, 108, are among the last of the five million men and women who served in Britain's forces during the conflict.
The knowledge that this was almost certainly the last significant anniversary the men will attend made the event particularly poignant.
Watched by dignitaries including the Duchess of Gloucester, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and members of the Cabinet, the three men were led down Whitheall by a single piper shortly before 1100.
The veterans looked frail in their wheelchairs and were kept warm with tartan blankets on a bright but chilly winter day.
They were watched by serving officers from the Royal Navy, Army and RAF, whose uniforms created a sea of navy, khaki and RAF grey, punctuated with poppies and medals
'The lucky ones'
There was a sombre silence as the wreaths were laid one by one by current servicemen on behalf on the men.
Marine Mkhuseil Jones, who has been awarded the Military Cross, laid a wreath for Mr Stone, saluting as he put it down, before returning and placing a hand on the veteran's shoulder.
Speaking before the ceremony about the war, and his friends who died, Mr Stone said: "I shall never forget it. I was one of the lucky ones and I'm thankful for that.
"Of course they should be remembered. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't be here."
He said he would spend the day "thinking of all those who are gone. We must not forget them".
Mr Patch closed his eyes after his wreath was laid by Lance Corporal Johnson Beharry, who was awarded the Victoria Cross during the Iraq conflict.
Mr Patch, the last known survivor of the Battle of Passchendaele in Ypres, said before the ceremony: "I am very happy to be here today. It is not just an honour for me but for an entire generation.
"It is important to remember the dead from both sides of the conflict. Irrespective of the uniforms we wore, we were all victims."
Mr Allingham, whose wreath was laid by Flight Lieutenant Michelle Goodman, who has the Distinguished Flying Cross, also said he was glad to attend the ceremony.
"It means a lot to me. I hope people realise what my pals sacrificed on their behalf," he said.
Important event
The three veterans then led a two-minute silence on the stroke of 1100 as the nation stopped to mark the moment - the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month - in 1918 that the war ended.
There have been fears that once the veterans die, their stories may not live on. But the importance of Armistice Day was apparent to people of all ages in the crowd who spoke to the BBC News website.
Michael Smallcombe spoke during the service about his grandfather William Smallcombe, who spent four years on the Somme with the British Army.
"Events like this are very important, " he said. "People should know what happened. It's very important for us to understand what they did, and why they did it."
Margaret Goddard attended the event with her four-year-old grandson, John Goddard.
She said: "I wanted to bring him because I think it's important for younger people to understand what happened."
The continuing significance of the November ceremony was echoed by Poppy Appeal collector Vivienne Toole.
She said: "People have been wonderful, and I have been quite moved by things they have been saying and the amounts of money they have been putting in."
As the three WWI veterans left to enjoy the warmth of a reception in 10 Downing Street, it seems they can rest confident in the fact the memories of them and their comrades will live on.
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: danootaandme on 11/11/08 at 2:57 pm
Over here we have changed Armistice Day to Veterans Day in 1954. I am a purist and think it should have remained Armistice Day to remind us that WWI was called "The war to end all wars" and that promise has not been kept.
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: Jessica on 11/11/08 at 3:26 pm
Here are two stories from WWII veterans:
Nazi Camp Survivor Breaks Silence
Brothers Fighting Brothers
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: Dagwood on 11/11/08 at 5:55 pm
Over here we have changed Armistice Day to Veterans Day in 1954. I am a purist and think it should have remained Armistice Day to remind us that WWI was called "The war to end all wars" and that promise has not been kept.
Sadly, as long as there are humans there will be wars.
To all the vets and current military personnel, thank you for your service. :)
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/11/08 at 10:02 pm
Over here we have changed Armistice Day to Veterans Day in 1954. I am a purist and think it should have remained Armistice Day to remind us that WWI was called "The war to end all wars" and that promise has not been kept.
I'm afraid it was a promise naively made...
:\'(
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/11/08 at 10:21 pm
Henry Allingham at 112 is not only the oldest surviving WWI vet, but he's also the second (verified) oldest male alive today!
Only Tomoji Tanabe at 113 is older.
Now, that's old!
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: danootaandme on 11/12/08 at 7:11 am
And not to bad for an older man!
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0equf4F2jE8r2/610x.jpg
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: MrCleveland on 11/12/08 at 3:58 pm
Soon there will be no more WWI vets. :\'(
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: Philip Eno on 11/12/08 at 4:12 pm
Soon there will be no more WWI vets. :\'(
Then WW1 will no longer be a memory, it will become history.
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: MaxwellSmart on 11/12/08 at 4:33 pm
Then WW1 will no longer be a memory, it will become history.
I'd say WWI is history that a handful of folks living today can remember!
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: Jessica on 11/20/08 at 3:41 pm
Here are two stories from WWII veterans:
Nazi Camp Survivor Breaks Silence
This is a follow up to the story I posted above. It is very upsetting to read. :\'(
63 years later, man learns brother's fate in Nazi slave camp
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: danootaandme on 11/21/08 at 8:31 am
>:( >:( This is outrageous, but not surprising. I have often wondered if Jewish POWs were treated different by the Nazis, I thought they must have been. The actions of United States doesn't surprise me either. After the war appeasement was the order of the day and many people who worked against us were coddled(think Werner Von Braun). The GermanPOWs were treated better than all the minority United States fighting forces. This is an extreme example.
Subject: Re: Poignant ceremony marks Armistice Day
Written By: La Roche on 11/22/08 at 12:48 am
>:( >:( This is outrageous, but not surprising. I have often wondered if Jewish POWs were treated different by the Nazis, I thought they must have been. The actions of United States doesn't surprise me either. After the war appeasement was the order of the day and many people who worked against us were coddled(think Werner Von Braun). The GermanPOWs were treated better than all the minority United States fighting forces. This is an extreme example.
Whenever I start to trust the motives of our Government I just remember Operation Paperclip and settle back down to intense distrust again.