Ah yes...  But I wish I had the privilege of getting hired or a scholarship for just being white.



The implication being that minorities or women get hired or get scholarships for just being minorities or women.  Having brains, work ethic, and skills don't enter into their equation?

I wish I had the privilege of being hired or getting a scholarship with out having to prove over and over and over that, even though I am a minority and a woman, I am just as intelligent and reliable as any white guy.  Being a woman in construction that is an everyday thing.  (I get sooooo tired of hearing "how'd you know that?")
                                                                                                      ("same way you do, idiot")

The implication being that minorities or women get hired or get scholarships for just being minorities or women.  Having brains, work ethic, and skills don't enter into their equation?

I wish I had the privilege of being hired or getting a scholarship with out having to prove over and over and over that, even though I am a minority and a woman, I am just as intelligent and reliable as any white guy.  Being a woman in construction that is an everyday thing.  (I get sooooo tired of hearing "how'd you know that?")
                                                                                                       ("same way you do, idiot")


As long as affirmative action exists, people will logically have to consider that part of why a minority might have gotten hired was due to his/her race.  You can pull the race card or whatever you like, but the truth of the matter is that affirmative action only encourages racism from both whites and minorities.  When you favor one race over another through laws, that's still racism, and the resulting frustration that generates among whites leads to racism among them as well.

Again, if you want society to move closer to racial equality, you have to make the system at least officially colorblind.  Laws can't really get rid of racism on a personal level -- that just takes time to fix.

As long as affirmative action exists, people will logically have to consider that part of why a minority might have gotten hired was due to his/her race.  You can pull the race card or whatever you like, but the truth of the matter is that affirmative action only encourages racism from both whites and minorities.  When you favor one race over another through laws, that's still racism, and the resulting frustration that generates among whites leads to racism among them as well.

Again, if you want society to move closer to racial equality, you have to make the system at least officially colorblind.  Laws can't really get rid of racism on a personal level -- that just takes time to fix.


There is a difference between prejudice (how one feels about something) and racism (how society disables some people because of there race).  Affirmative action is designed to assure that you (or anyone else) can't manifest your prejudice to the detriment of others, and to overcome the institutional barriers that hinder minorities.  In effect, it says that when two people are equal in the characteristics that matter (skill etc) an affirmative action is to reward the traditionally disadvantaged.

THat list of white privilege was awsume.

There is a difference between prejudice (how one feels about something) and racism (how society disables some people because of there race).  Affirmative action is designed to assure that you (or anyone else) can't manifest your prejudice to the detriment of others, and to overcome the institutional barriers that hinder minorities.  In effect, it says that when two people are equal in the characteristics that matter (skill etc) an affirmative action is to reward the traditionally disadvantaged.

THat list of white privilege was awsume.


That may have been the intention, but it instead encourages favoritism.  There may not be any official quotas involved, but the net effect is that employers look to fill an imaginary quota for having a certain number of people of each race.  This is detrimental to the hiring process, because it takes the emphasis off of qualifications.

It's like electing a presidential candidate because he's black or because she's a woman.  It totally misses the point of the position itself.

It also basically tells minorities that they can't cut it without government help.

As long as affirmative action exists, people will logically have to consider that part of why a minority might have gotten hired was due to his/her race.  You can pull the race card or whatever you like, but the truth of the matter is that affirmative action only encourages racism from both whites and minorities.  When you favor one race over another through laws, that's still racism, and the resulting frustration that generates among whites leads to racism among them as well.

Again, if you want society to move closer to racial equality, you have to make the system at least officially colorblind.  Laws can't really get rid of racism on a personal level -- that just takes time to fix.


The bigger problem, for me anyway, is that without affirmative action I would not have been hired at all.  When people scream about quotas they have to realize that there have always been quotas, but they are used to exclude.  One racial subset(white Christian males) have been, and continue to be, favored over all.  Just because it isn't legislated doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  The system has never been colorblind and without affirmative action it will revert to what it was.  Affirmative Action came into play so that the quotas were used to include.  I personally don't give a rats*ass why people think I was or wasn't hired.  I have to job, I do my job, and I get paid. That would not have happened without affirmative action. 

Without government intervention minorities and women would not get hired, nor would they be admitted to the best schools, or any schools, no matter the qualifications.

The bigger problem, for me anyway, is that without affirmative action I would not have been hired at all.  When people scream about quotas they have to realize that there have always been quotas, but they are used to exclude.  One racial subset(white Christian males) have been, and continue to be, favored over all.  Just because it isn't legislated doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  The system has never been colorblind and without affirmative action it will revert to what it was.  Affirmative Action came into play so that the quotas were used to include.  I personally don't give a rats*ass why people think I was or wasn't hired.  I have to job, I do my job, and I get paid. That would not have happened without affirmative action. 

Without government intervention minorities and women would not get hired, nor would they be admitted to the best schools, or any schools, no matter the qualifications.


I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on all that, because I've seen plenty of evidence here that contradicts this.

I work in a field that is dominated by white males.  The thing is some of us have actually gotten apologies, or close to apologies from white males who are older and remember when they were the only ones in the business around here.  They remember the opposition to women and minorities and most were a part of that opposition and have admitted it, and have apologized for some of the things they did.  They, at the time, thought it wasn't a place for women, and didn't believe in the abilities of anyone who wasn't them.  They will readily admit that there is still a problem.  This isn't stuff that I have heard of, this is the life I live.  It isn't as if things are peachy keen, love and kisses, now.  A couple of weeks ago an Afr/Am carpenter who had been complaining about someone leaving him notes(he saved them) walked into the supply closet and there was a noose with a note that said "you could be next".  He got a couple of people in to see it, took pictures, and called the police to the job sight before going to the company.  Turned out it was his own steward who was doing it.  The steward wasn't fired, he was moved to another job where he is......the job steward!.  The company says he is innocent until proven guilty, but he admitted it.  The charges are pending, there is a suit against the company, and that weekend we were all laughing, a bitter laugh, because all of the sudden minorities were offered weekend O.T.  Something we hadn't been offered before.  All weekend we joked about being invited to the company "colored picnic"

Well, it sounds like Boston is a lot more racist than Greensboro is.  We have race issues here too, but I've yet to see anything like that here.  I have several black coworkers as well, and we've talked about a lot of personal things before, yet none of them have shared any stories like that.

I'm not saying it's nonexistent where I live, but from what I've gathered from several minorities I've known, it would seem that a lot of the South is actually less racist than some of the North is.  Obviously, things were quite different back during the Civil Rights Movement.

Well, it sounds like Boston is a lot more racist than Greensboro is.  We have race issues here too, but I've yet to see anything like that here.  I have several black coworkers as well, and we've talked about a lot of personal things before, yet none of them have shared any stories like that.

I'm not saying it's nonexistent where I live, but from what I've gathered from several minorities I've known, it would seem that a lot of the South is actually less racist than some of the North is.  Obviously, things were quite different back during the Civil Rights Movement.



Most people are surprised to find the level of racism in Boston, considered the home of the abolitionist movement, land of the free home of the brave.  In the south the racism was much more virulent, but it was also out in the open.  There seemed to be a dramatic turn around in the south after the civil rights movement.  It was much worse down there, but things changed so dramatically that my father, who left after WWII vowing never to return, was very surprised how much better things weree when he did return to Louisiana for his fathers funeral in the late '70s.  In the north the racism was(is) less blatant, much more subtle, much more insidious, making it harder to pinpoint.  It continues to be that way, which is why it is harder to counteract, until the scenario I described rips the scab off of the wound.

Most people are surprised to find the level of racism in Boston, considered the home of the abolitionist movement, land of the free home of the brave.  In the south the racism was much more virulent, but it was also out in the open.  There seemed to be a dramatic turn around in the south after the civil rights movement.  It was much worse down there, but things changed so dramatically that my father, who left after WWII vowing never to return, was very surprised how much better things weree when he did return to Louisiana for his fathers funeral in the late '70s.  In the north the racism was(is) less blatant, much more subtle, much more insidious, making it harder to pinpoint.  It continues to be that way, which is why it is harder to counteract, until the scenario I described rips the scab off of the wound.




Agreed, plus, I think Southern whites have more of an honor system than Northern whites.  We might have more courtesy toward you if we like you, but we won't hide our prejudices -- we'll let you know if we don't like you.  There are both upsides and downsides to this, but if nothing else, we're honest.

The bigger problem, for me anyway, is that without affirmative action I would not have been hired at all.  When people scream about quotas they have to realize that there have always been quotas, but they are used to exclude.  One racial subset(white Christian males) have been, and continue to be, favored over all.  Just because it isn't legislated doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  The system has never been colorblind and without affirmative action it will revert to what it was.  Affirmative Action came into play so that the quotas were used to include.  I personally don't give a rats*ass why people think I was or wasn't hired.  I have to job, I do my job, and I get paid. That would not have happened without affirmative action. 

Without government intervention minorities and women would not get hired, nor would they be admitted to the best schools, or any schools, no matter the qualifications.


Right on.

My college, Rutgers in Newark N.J. (a majority black city) was almost exclusively white, all commuters from suburbia in the 1960s.  There were no quotas, but no effort was being made to recruit black students.  There was also red lining in real estate.  A bunch of us worked to change that.  We insisted that the college reach out to urban high schools  and the numbers began to change.  We also pulled some stunts on real estate agents, sending first a white couple, then a black couple with the same fake profiles.  Guess what, we were shown different sets of properties obviously based on race.  I guess things have gotten better, but the same sh*t goes on.

I remember not too long ago a commercial on TV for some start your own home buss.....

The white guy says...."my company made $250,000 dollars last year"

The white woman says...."my company made $70,000 dollars last year"

& the black man says...."my company made $ 40,000 last year"

Its no longer seen on Canadian airwaves but it put an order to things.....

Shame is it takes a long time for the old ways to subside & turn around proper thinking!
People are people  to me & you could go any where in the world & still come across this problem!
Just look at Europe...a lot of their hatred is based on religion....

I never had a problem with where or who a person was
But too many people do

He should have been fired


Teacher Suspended For Racial Slur Directed At Obama »

A Florida teacher was suspended after students said he used a racial epithet directed at presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Seventh-grade social studies teacher Greg Howard of Marianna Middle School was given a written reprimand on Wednesday for "racially inappropriate comments" he made in his classroom on Sept. 26, according to a Jackson County School Board news release.

Howard reportedly wrote the word CHANGE as an acronym on the board and wrote an expletive with the letter "N." The phrase he wrote has been reported as "Can You Help A (expletive) Get Elected" and "Come Help A (expletive) Get Elected." School district officials did not return calls seeking comment Thursday, and Howard could not be reached.

He should have been fired


Teacher Suspended For Racial Slur Directed At Obama »

A Florida teacher was suspended after students said he used a racial epithet directed at presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Seventh-grade social studies teacher Greg Howard of Marianna Middle School was given a written reprimand on Wednesday for "racially inappropriate comments" he made in his classroom on Sept. 26, according to a Jackson County School Board news release.

Howard reportedly wrote the word CHANGE as an acronym on the board and wrote an expletive with the letter "N." The phrase he wrote has been reported as "Can You Help A (expletive) Get Elected" and "Come Help A (expletive) Get Elected." School district officials did not return calls seeking comment Thursday, and Howard could not be reached.


That guy sounds about as redneck as they come.  Yep he should have been fired.  When are people going to just progress and just live and let live.

Most white males are dominated by other white males.  Just because you're white and male doesn't mean you get to dominate!

McCain can't win unless white males don't feel Obama's not mad at them!  If the dominant white males (and those who think they are) feel he is a threat to them, they won't vote Obama.  I hate to say it as such, by I'm afraid it's true.  That's why he's donned the kid gloves!
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...Howard reportedly wrote the word CHANGE as an acronym on the board and wrote an expletive with the letter "N." The phrase he wrote has been reported as "Can You Help A (expletive) Get Elected"...

Can You Help A Teacher Learn To Spell?