To be FAIR and aware...

IF YOU ARE BASING YOUR VOTE ON HOW MANY TIMES A CANDIDATE SWITCHES POSITIONS, YOU MAY FIND AN EQUAL OR COMPARABLE AMOUNT COMING FROM THE CANDIDATES AT THIS TIME..AFTER ALL,...THEY ARE POLITICIANS!


But some are finding McCain flip-flops as an occasional hobby and Obama as endless!

AS PRINTED FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS:

On Iraq, Obama said Thursday that his upcoming trip there might lead him to refine his promise to quickly remove U.S. troops from the war.

He now supports broader authority for the government's eavesdropping program and legal immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in it, after opposing a similar bill last year.

After the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, the handgun-control proponent said he favors both an individual's right to own a gun as well as government's right to regulate ownership.

Obama became the first major-party candidate to reject public financing for the general election after earlier promises to accept it.

He not only embraced but promised to expand Bush's program to give more anti-poverty grants to religious groups, a split with Democratic orthodoxy.

He objected to the Supreme Court's decision outlawing the death penalty for child rapists, even though he has been anti-capital punishment.

Obama also said "mental distress" should not count as a health exception that would permit a late-term abortion, saying "it has to be a serious physical issue," addressing a matter considered crucial to abortion rights activists.

THE DAILY VOICE-JULY '08:

Obama's Top Ten Flip Flops

1. SPECIAL INTERESTS. In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.

2. THE CUBA EMBARGO. In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."

3. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."

4. DECRIMINALIZATION OF MARAJUANA. While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

5. NAFTA. During the primary season, Obama hammered Hillary Clinton for her support of NAFTA as First Lady, calling the free trade agreement "devastating" and "a big mistake." Now, in an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee said that NAFTA has indeed been positive for the US in some ways, and that his earlier criticism - while trying to convince white blue collar voters in some states to vote for him - was 'overheated and amplified.'

6. THE DEATH PENALTY. Ten years ago, when Obama was running for statewide office in an ultra-liberal Chicago district, he opposed the death penalty. As Obama announced this week, he now supports the ultimate penalty.

7. HANDGUN BAN. For 8 years--before becoming a US Senator--Obama sat on the board of a non-profit which contributed $2.7 million to efforts advocating for a complete ban on handguns. (Before that, Obama filled out a questionnaire in 1996 stating that he supported a ban on the manufacture, sale AND POSSESSION of handguns.) But starting with his primary campaign in the gun popular Midwest, Obama now opposes such legislation, and claims to support gun owner's rights.

8. PROPOSED FISA LAW IMMUNITY FOR TELECOMS. In October, 2007, Obama pledged that if the FISA bill contained an immunity provision for telecoms, he would not only oppose the bill, he would help block it through a filibuster. This week, he voted for the bill, telecom immunity provisions and all.

9. PUBLIC FINANCING FOR OBAMA'S GENERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN. In November, 2007, Obama issued a written pledge to opt into the public campaign finance system for the general presidential election, if the Republican nominee also did so. John McCain immediately accepted the pledge, which acceptance Obama acknowledged in writing in November 2007. After he became the Republican nominee, McCain opted into the public finance system (as he pledged to do), but Obama broke his pledge and opted out.

10. THE WAR IN IRAQ. In 2004--when Obama was running for the United States Senate-- Barack Obama not only said that he was open to a U.S. troop increase in Iraq, but warned against a premature troop withdrawal as a "slap in the face to the troops fighting there" which could make Iraq "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity." Fast forward to Obama's presidential campaign premised in large part on an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

These 10 examples evince 180 degree changes by the Senator from Chicago on fundamental issues going to the core of Obama as a candidate, and provide important indications of whether the "change" candidate will do what he promises to do in the campaign to court our votes.

Does Jesse Jackson's reversal of opinion on Obama count as a flip flop?

First he supported Obama unequivocably.  Now he desires to perform an orichectomy on Obama.    ;D ;D ;D

Does Jesse Jackson's reversal of opinion on Obama count as a flip flop?

First he supported Obama unequivocably.  Now he desires to perform an orichectomy on Obama.    ;D ;D ;D


Does anyone still take Jesse seriously?

Like a vegetarian who claims to eat veggies only then they admit to having a bite of a hot dog at a BBQ, you've got Jesse and his preaching until you hear he fooled around with someone out of wedlock.

I am SO SICK of the term "flip flopper." 

I am SO SICK of the term "flip flopper." 


'No Changsies' sounded too childish to the media who had to give it a name in their reports. :D

Does anyone still take Jesse seriously?
Oh, not for about 15 years, but that's just me.

Like a vegetarian who claims to eat veggies only then they admit to having a bite of a hot dog at a BBQ, you've got Jesse and his preaching until you hear he fooled around with someone out of wedlock.

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That would be Larry Craig, he likes a nice bite of hot dog!
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I am SO SICK of the term "flip flopper." 



I think a flip flopper is someone who wears one of these.


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Cat

OK... so what's wrong with changing your mind?

Are you seriously saying that once a politician has stated a position on an issue, then changing their mind is without exception bad?

I'd rather have a politician who can be convinced of a different position to the one he currently holds by force of a decent argument than one who dogmatically holds to the same thing as they said a few years earlier just because they don't want to be accused of "flip-flopping".

Admittedly, I'd far rather have a politician whose position on (for example) legalization of cannabis was based on sound science/economics rather than knee-jerk emotional reactions/pandering... but I've yet to see a presidential candidate that brave.

The flip-flop phrase seems to be the echo of the John Kerry campaign.

Right now, John Kerry seems to be a good canidate...but then again he would've done better during the 1992 campaign, IMHO.

I think a flip flopper is someone who wears one of these.


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Cat


Or when I was growing up THEY were called 'THONGS' but..then the girlie's panties were invented and so goes history out the window..
Besides would we really want to call Clinton a 'THONGER' when he didn't have sexual relations? :D

Right now, John Kerry seems to be a good canidate...but then again he would've done better during the 1992 campaign, IMHO.


Well, with Ross Perot siphoning votes from the Republicans, and I mean no disrespect to Bill Clinton, but anyone could have won that election.

Let's split the difference.  I get this DeLorean to 88 miles an hour, we go back to 2000, and we set it up so that it's John McCain vs. John Kerry.  Both of 'em deserved better chances than they got from their respective parties.

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