Manson cult member Susan Atkins, who has spent the past 37 years in prison for her role in the Sharon Tate and Gary Hinman (she personally stabbed both) murders, has been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and is pleading to be released from jail.

At 37 years the has spent more time in the pokie than any other woman in California, although fellow Mansonitas Patricia Krenewinkle and Leslie Van Houten are not far behind.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-atkins14-2008jun14,0,5380790.story

Vince Bugliosi, surprisingly, supports her early release.

What say you? ???

She should have been executed 40 years ago. Let her rot in prision.

She couldn't spare the lives of Sharon Tate and her baby,so why should we feel sorry for her?

While I might support compassionate release in other cases, I don't here. Susan Atkins received the death penalty: her crime was especially brutal and cold.

How many doctors have verified this tumor is terminal or inoperable?

Manson himself is as crazy now as he was then. Susan has been 'cured' of that? 37 years of prison hasn't helped Manson.

Bottom line: The state doesn't want to pay for her care until she dies. If she is released there will be nothing compassionate about it - it would be a purely economical move.

Ant

Bottom line: The state doesn't want to pay for her care until she dies. If she is released there will be nothing compassionate about it - it would be a purely economical move.


No, because they will still pay for her care.  The bill will simply move from the Department of Corrections to Medical.

Personally, I agree.  Let her rot.  I believe that Life means Life, not "Stay until we forget about the horrible crime you comitted, then let you out".

We could put Manson and Atkins in a cage fight and tell them whoever wins gets released (not really, but they don't have to know that).  It could be televised, and the proceeds could go towards brain cancer research. Who knows, maybe Manson will go on the Atkins diet.

No, because they will still pay for her care.  The bill will simply move from the Department of Corrections to Medical.

Personally, I agree.  Let her rot.  I believe that Life means Life, not "Stay until we forget about the horrible crime you comitted, then let you out".


Possibly, but she is married to an attorney and has been for 21 years. He's probably got some kind of health care policy for her. If the state was going to eat the bill either way, I doubt they'd release her.

I'm not sure if the following strengthens or weakens my supposition:

"Her request for a compassionate release has already been approved by the California Institution for Women in Corona, where she was housed from April 23, 1971, to March 18 of this year, when she was admitted to a local hospital."


Who knows, maybe Manson will go on the Atkins diet.


lol

Ant

Stick her in solitary.

I posed this question to Carlos this morning. I'm not too sure how I feel about this because I like to think of myself as a compassionate person but I also believe in justice, too. She did a horrendous act-there is no denying that. But she also has been in prison for 37 years. Is that justice served? I don't know. Will allowing her rot be justice? Again, I don't know. I do see the arguments on both sides and I have no idea which way would be the right course of action.



Cat

Didn't Sharon Tate beg for mercy too...
If it were up to me she would get no pain meds either.
And I am a very compassionate person normally.
I think because the death penalty was repealed while she was on Death row, she got to live 37 years more than she should have. Thats more than Sharon Tates unborn baby got.
Maybe she could ask Roman Polanski.
I'm sorry but I have no compassion for any of those idiots (Manson and his so called family). 
Maybe cause I was only 13 when this happened and very impressionable.

Didn't Sharon Tate beg for mercy too...
If it were up to me she would get no pain meds either.
And I am a very compassionate person normally.
I think because the death penalty was repealed while she was on Death row, she got to live 37 years more than she should have. Thats more than Sharon Tates unborn baby got.
Maybe she could ask Roman Polanski.
I'm sorry but I have no compassion for any of those idiots (Manson and his so called family). 
Maybe cause I was only 13 when this happened and very impressionable.



I hear ya. Like I said, I see the arguments on both sides.



Cat

Who knows, maybe Manson will go on the Atkins diet.


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Atkins was the most vicious of the Manson girls.  In her case, I'd agree with Mushroom, life should mean life.  On the other hand, she has one leg and terminal brain cancer.  What can she do to harm society now?  Not much.  I'm not going to get in a twist if she dies in some hospice facility on the outside rather than a prison hospital.


I tend to respect Vicent Bugliosi's opinion on most matters.

;D

Atkins was the most vicious of the Manson girls.  In her case, I'd agree with Mushroom, life should mean life.  On the other hand, she has one leg and terminal brain cancer.  What can she do to harm society now?  Not much.  I'm not going to get in a twist if she dies in some hospice facility on the outside rather than a prison hospital.


I tend to respect Vicent Bugliosi's opinion on most matters.


I tend to think that they should NEVER let Atkins (or her cronies) out of jail.  And when the time comes that she passes away, they should bury her remains on the prison grounds.

By the way, Max, how'd she lose a leg? Was that part of the current cancer???

We shouldn't deny her medical help, but she shouldn't be allowed freedom either. That said I find it hard to feel sorry for her, but she is human after all.


Is She really?

"Look, bitch, I don't care a thing about you. You're going to die and there's nothing you can do about it." -Susan's words to Sharon Tate.

Yeah, I think those words can be said right back to her.

I tend to think that they should NEVER let Atkins (or her cronies) out of jail.  And when the time comes that she passes away, they should bury her remains on the prison grounds.

By the way, Max, how'd she lose a leg? Was that part of the current cancer???

I think it was in that same L.A. Times article and seemed to imply it was cancer, but she's got cancer of the brain, so why the leg?  It didn't have far to metastasize?  Nah, my guess is she's also diabetic. 

So, Sexy Sadie says she's a bon-again-Christian.  She converted in prison.  She's asking God for forgiveness?  My advice, lady, keep asking 'till you can't ask no more!
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Charlie's still alive at 73.  He's not repetent, he's Gonzoooo!!!!  100 years after that SOB dies Manson will be causing somebody to feel misery.  I honestly don't think those confused girls would have killed anybody if Uncle Charlie, the original Charles In Charge, hadn't warped their minds with drugs, pimped them, made them his personal slaves.....
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He's a baaaaad man!!!!

That doesn't take away from the fact that they committed First Degree Murder and should be buried in the prison yard!
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So, Sexy Sadie says she's a bon-again-Christian.  She converted in prison.  She's asking God for forgiveness?  My advice, lady, keep asking 'till you can't ask no more!
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Don"t most people in prison find Jesus? How very nice for them. I wonder if Susan Atkins will run into Sharon Tate and her baby ib the afterlife?

Like I said earlier she deserves nothing not even pain meds.
Show her the same compassion she had shown them= nothing. In fact they were gleefull when committing these murders.

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She should be released from jail. Life time sentence for me shouldn't be longer than 25 to 30 years. She's truly sorry for what she has done and she's not the same woman she was at 21 years old as a member of a wacko cult. Her due to society was payed so just let her free.
Plus i have to say what she's going through now is punishment enough.

I think it was in that same L.A. Times article and seemed to imply it was cancer, but she's got cancer of the brain, so why the leg?  It didn't have far to metastasize?  Nah, my guess is she's also diabetic. 

So, Sexy Sadie says she's a bon-again-Christian.  She converted in prison.  She's asking God for forgiveness?  My advice, lady, keep asking 'till you can't ask no more!
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Charlie's still alive at 73.  He's not repetent, he's Gonzoooo!!!!  100 years after that SOB dies Manson will be causing somebody to feel misery.  I honestly don't think those confused girls would have killed anybody if Uncle Charlie, the original Charles In Charge, hadn't warped their minds with drugs, pimped them, made them his personal slaves.....
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He's a baaaaad man!!!!

That doesn't take away from the fact that they committed First Degree Murder and should be buried in the prison yard!
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How many other murders have become Born-Agains in prison?  They hope it makes them look good in front of the parole board.  Who apparently hasn't bought her religious conversion 20 times.

Manson has no conscience what so ever.  He believe he is a God therefore he can judge who lives and dies.  Too bad he went behind bars when the U.S. had outlawed the Death Penalty for that short time or he would have fried a long time ago.

Atkins may not be the same person she was back then, only the law can decide what to do with her.  Squeeky Fraum however is only slightly better than Manson.  She still defends him and what they did to this very day.

How many other murders have become Born-Agains in prison?  They hope it makes them look good in front of the parole board.  Who apparently hasn't bought her religious conversion 20 times.

Manson has no conscience what so ever.  He believe he is a God therefore he can judge who lives and dies.  Too bad he went behind bars when the U.S. had outlawed the Death Penalty for that short time or he would have fried a long time ago.

Atkins may not be the same person she was back then, only the law can decide what to do with her.  Squeeky Fraum however is only slightly better than Manson.  She still defends him and what they did to this very day.

Manson used to preach to his flock about liberating people from this rotten world by murdering them; we kill Establishment Piggies because we love them; death is a beautiful thing.  Ironically, when it was Manson's ass on the chafing dish, he decided his rules for the Establishment Piggies didn't apply to him!  He fought like crazy trying to get himself out of the death penalty.  Chickensh*t, ain't we Charlie?  I don't support capital punishment, but the world wouldn't lose anything if Manson got snuffed!
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Manson used to preach to his flock about liberating people from this rotten world by murdering them; we kill Establishment Piggies because we love them; death is a beautiful thing.  Ironically, when it was Manson's ass on the chafing dish, he decided his rules for the Establishment Piggies didn't apply to him!  He fought like crazy trying to get himself out of the death penalty.  Chickensh*t, ain't we Charlie?  I don't support capital punishment, but the world wouldn't lose anything if Manson got snuffed!
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So he was playing God.  Liberating a soul by murder.  Of course rules don't apply to Charlie, he's afraid of death.  If he wasn't he would also have added martyrdom to his "dogma".  What a wuz.  Fought like crazy.  Crazy is right, his arguments against his execution are bizarre.

“All you can think about is your white Corvette and making chic and gay down there in New York City. You know where all that materialistic bullsh*t’ll get you? Right in f---ing Greenwich, Connecticut, with all the other *ssh*les who don’t have any concept of what life is about!”

Is that Charlie?  No, but close.  That's my hippie dad in 1975!  It does sound an awful lot like Charlie, though!
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There were a whole lot of those hippies farming it up who had total hang-ups about square society.  It was a culture war.  They couldn't co-exist.  The kids would have to be politicized early.  Square culture, materialism, and commercialism had to be countenanced and menaced if necessary. 

Many of these hippies, like my dad, bought a cheap farmhouses in the backwaters...only to find themselves griping about the yahoos and the hicks instead of the suburban squares!

Others retreated onto communes, like Stephen Gaskin, and created a sanctuary from the establishment (which in turn became an its own ornery establishment) and didn't let television in. 

If you try to fight it on the outside, it's going to eat you not vice versa.

But that's what a few counterculture-types did.  The Manson Family, the Weather Underground, they aggressed.  They got devoured and expelled. 

Linda Kasabian, who testified against Charlie & co., was from New Hampshire.  When I was just a babe-in-arms, my parents met a hippie chick named Linda, a comely, gentle, and kind young woman who lived with her husband, Bob, in a geodesic dome the next town over.  We played with her children.  She babysat for us.  And then the truth came out.  She was none other than Linda Kasabian.  "It's o.k., Linda, honey, we know you didn't kill anybody; we know you didn't want to hurt anybody, you just drove the car to and from Roman Polanski's house."
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They wouldn't leave her alone.  The FBI was spying on her.  She worked as a short-order cook in one of the diners and guys would joke about "going down to get a Kasabian," like it was a sandwich!  Then it was like the scarlet letter.  She couldn't catch a break anywhere in life and lived as a fugitive and petty criminal the rest of her life.  Furthermore, even her kids get in trouble with the law.

Maybe Linda was just reaping the whirlwind.  On the other hand, there was the Linda who seemed like a fundamentally decent person run to ruin by Manson because she was 19 and confused. 

That's what I was alluding to when I said, as a newspaperman said of John Wayne Gacy, Manson had created enough misery to last a century.

Manson would always make a pitch for the environment or personal freedom in every cockamamie interview he ever gave, but it's all a manipulation.  Pure antisocial personality he is. 

If my dad became a homicidal maniac, he would have been Charlie Manson!
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“All you can think about is your white Corvette and making chic and gay down there in New York City. You know where all that materialistic bullsh*t’ll get you? Right in f---ing Greenwich, Connecticut, with all the other *ssh*les who don’t have any concept of what life is about!”

Is that Charlie?  No, but close.  That's my hippie dad in 1975!  It does sound an awful lot like Charlie, though!
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The word Asshole isn't censored anymore on this board (thanks to Denis Leary)  ;D

Isn't that sad though, it just really goes to show you how easy it is to fall under the control of some charismatic svengali and it'll ruin the rest of your life which your life lasts a hell of a lot longer then you think it will last when you are a teenager.  You have to really pick your friends carefully, but you don't realize this sometimes until it's way too late and the damage is done.

So, Sexy Sadie says she's a bon-again-Christian.  She converted in prison.  She's asking God for forgiveness?  My advice, lady, keep asking 'till you can't ask no more!
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Don"t most people in prison find Jesus? How very nice for them. I wonder if Susan Atkins will run into Sharon Tate and her baby ib the afterlife?

Like I said earlier she deserves nothing not even pain meds.
Show her the same compassion she had shown them= nothing. In fact they were gleefull when committing these murders.

>:(

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I don't think most of them convert in prison.i mean,we could call them convents or monasteries if that were the case! ???

The word Asshole isn't censored anymore on this board (thanks to Denis Leary)  ;D

Isn't that sad though, it just really goes to show you how easy it is to fall under the control of some charismatic svengali and it'll ruin the rest of your life which your life lasts a hell of a lot longer then you think it will last when you are a teenager.   You have to really pick your friends carefully, but you don't realize this sometimes until it's way too late and the damage is done.


Well, most true hippies followed guys like Timothy Leary or Stephen Gaskin (LSD vs. soybeans).  Then there were the self-styled messiahs, who were particularly dangerous.  Charlie wasn't a a hippie (he called himsefl a Beatnik, and he was born in the Beat generation), he was a common criminal and pimp.  The pimp part is important because of the way Charlie could seduce young women and control other men with the promise of p*ssy is important.  Key difference--the pimp's credo: make money.  Charlie's credo: make trouble.  Throw a bit of psychopathology, psychedelics, and God-complex into the mix and you've got the wickedest kind of human to walk the Earth!
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No, he's gotta be in prison until he dies, and that's where Charlie will die.  I never thought the state would pay mind any of Susan Atkin's problems, including dying of brain cancer.  She shouldn't get out any sooner than Charlie, but the fact that she will be bedridden for the last six months of freedom makes early release a little more tolerable. 

Well, most true hippies followed guys like Timothy Leary or Stephen Gaskin (LSD vs. soybeans).  Then there were the self-styled messiahs, who were particularly dangerous.  Charlie wasn't a a hippie (he called himsefl a Beatnik, and he was born in the Beat generation), he was a common criminal and pimp.  The pimp part is important because of the way Charlie could seduce young women and control other men with the promise of p*ssy is important.  Key difference--the pimp's credo: make money.  Charlie's credo: make trouble.  Throw a bit of psychopathology, psychedelics, and God-complex into the mix and you've got the wickedest kind of human to walk the Earth!
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No, he's gotta be in prison until he dies, and that's where Charlie will die.  I never thought the state would pay mind any of Susan Atkin's problems, including dying of brain cancer.  She shouldn't get out any sooner than Charlie, but the fact that she will be bedridden for the last six months of freedom makes early release a little more tolerable. 


Charlie is one hell of a sociopath.  His behavior had nothing to do with the 60's counterculture movement.  You forgot to mention the fact that he is a sadist by his own admission.  Sad thing is that Charlie will probably die peacefully in his sleep.  Unless if someone doesn't try and make an example of him like one prisoner did with Jeffery Dahmer.

Charlie is one hell of a sociopath.  His behavior had nothing to do with the 60's counterculture movement.  You forgot to mention the fact that he is a sadist by his own admission.  Sad thing is that Charlie will probably die peacefully in his sleep.  Unless if someone doesn't try and make an example of him like one prisoner did with Jeffery Dahmer.



Charlie has a deal with the Aryan Brotherhood, who makes sure that nobody messes with him.  In return his followers provide favors for the AB.

Imagine if Charlie did get out...where would he go 'REHABS ARE US'? Guess he had anyone else he knew killed..darn the luck!

Or what would happen if they put Susan in the same cell with Charlie? Hey,...there's a new reality show inthe making...prisoners who are in the slammer because of someone else who's in one and they meet face to face in a lockdown!

QUICK,...... CALL FOX!!!!

Charlie is one hell of a sociopath.  His behavior had nothing to do with the 60's counterculture movement.  You forgot to mention the fact that he is a sadist by his own admission.  Sad thing is that Charlie will probably die peacefully in his sleep.  Unless if someone doesn't try and make an example of him like one prisoner did with Jeffery Dahmer.


I know, but a violent death for Charlie wouldn't bring back any of the lives he ruined.  The only reason he IS still alive, as LB points out, he made a deal early on with the Aryan Brotherhood.  This might not have been just a marriage of convenience; Charlie is also a bona-fide racist.  He especially hated blacks, wove race war into his delusions, and freely used the N-word!
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Charlie has a deal with the Aryan Brotherhood, who makes sure that nobody messes with him.  In return his followers provide favors for the AB.


If he wanted to be safe in a California prison that's who he brown nose.  Favors?  Most of the inter core of Manson's followers are over 50.  Wait, don't tell me he has a cult following.  Wonder if Squeeky is heading that?

I googled Charlie Manson and answered my own question.  It's a full blown cult.

The claim Charlie's death will make him a maryter.

I love that cult name. ATWA (Air, Trees, Water, Animals) it sounds so enchanting.  Considering how messed up they are. 8-P

If he wanted to be safe in a California prison that's who he brown nose.  Favors?  Most of the inter core of Manson's followers are over 50.  Wait, don't tell me he has a cult following.  Wonder if Squeeky is heading that?

I googled Charlie Manson and answered my own question.  It's a full blown cult.

The claim Charlie's death will make him a maryter.

I love that cult name. ATWA (Air, Trees, Water, Animals) it sounds so enchanting.  Considering how messed up they are. 8-P

Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme is perhaps Manson's most loyal syncophant.  She's one of two women who tried to assassinate Ford (the other being Sarah Jane Moore, who had nothing to do with Manson).  The few remaining nutjobs who were in Manson's cult in the sixties will die off in the next couple of decades (as will Manson).  Charlie's legend will continue to attract antisocials, misguided misfits, and comic book satanists, but I doubt anyone will commit murder in the name of Charlie any more than people hold up banks in the name of Jesse James!
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